Secret Lies of Mormon Wives (with Joel Kim Booster) | 53

- We have never been more bad. - It's summer, I'm calling it. - It's summer? - I'm wearing shorts, it's summer. - Yeah. - Let's see all that leg. - I thought you were a child of God. - Curious. - He gave me these legs. What am I supposed to do, hide 'em? - You sound like me, bitch. It was, Dean. - Oh, no. - Missed you, couldn't you tell? - Actually, he couldn't. - Yeah. - She came into the green room, you're the ear smiling. - I was happy. - I was, oh God forbid I'm happy to see my best friend. - Oh my goodness. - You've changed, and so was the set. - Oh, wait a minute, I love what you did there. - Okay, I did it. - Yes, no, I always say the set got her body done. - She did, her body is to the up, just like ours. Season two, we're back. - Season two, what did you do? - Number 52, what did you do, the J-Lo thing? I love having a pin in my hand. - I don't, put it down and back then. I feel like I'm about to get in trouble. It's red too. - Maybe you will, it writes in black. - Okay, I have to say, Orange and Blue Skies, I have been a lifelong New York Snick. - New York Snick? - You said, well yeah, no, no, and keep that in. No one edit that out, no one edit that out. - No, no, no. - You've been a life-stumbling over those words. - It's a lifelong Knicks fan since Monday, May 12th. And period, I went to a Knicks game. - You did? - Truly, I was out of full of my mom. She was like, are you going into the game? I was like, no, I don't have $1 million. The noseblees were $700. But then a friend of a friend had tickets and was like, you guys can come. I was like, oh, thank God. So you didn't make it to fancy free? - No, and I wouldn't even give me a table or anything after I posted about, where should I watch the game? Everyone was like, fancy free, fancy free. I was like, well, girl. Now, I wasn't called a fine-ass Spike Lee for nothing. I know about fancy free. - Oh, cool, do that. - Amanda and my DMs. - I remember this, Amanda and me as a compliment. I said, you look like a fine-ass Spike Lee. - I guess y'all are both of my skin and committed to your issues. - And short and smart. And I was just about to say that. - Yeah, I think so. - Spike Lee took my tongue. - Spike Lee turning A basketball jersey into a zip up vest. - Yes. - You're so 2008, he's so 3000 and like, oh wow. - How do you feel, how was your game? - Well, we won. - Hey. And someone was like, say something nice about Boston. I was like, they lost. So that's a nice thing I can say about them. - Well, they're playing the Celtics. I don't know if you knew that. - No. - I focus, I keep Maya in the prize. My WMV8 Tammy jives. New York lipid A, do-do-do-do-do-do. - Yeah. Well, I heard about you. 'Cause I talked to your mom at your event, at mommy issues. You talked to Ellie that elephant about me? - No, no. - I talked to Alicia Keys about you. And she told me, Peyton through a tantrum at the nail salon. - Oh, she wishes. Now, wouldn't that be a Lord's song? - It actually would be. I do feel like the thing with Scorpio moms is they will find a way to make themselves victim. Yeah, they're like, actually, I was hurt. After my mother, the truth, ready for the truth, I'm gonna just give them a visit. My mother dragged me to the nail salon, like that's closest to my apartment. I will say I go to, I'm a freaking flyer at a very nice, very normal manicure spot down the street where I wanted to go. She said, I think we need to support your local businesses. They're both local. It's a matter of two blocks or one. When we go to this place, I'm like, there's always drama there. Let's just maybe skip. I don't know. It doesn't seem to uphold any certain standards. There we go there. There's a baby crying. There's a woman sneezing. There's people fighting. There's a man that comes in, points to his wife says, you know, she's a mother. Can she get her manicure done for free? Oh, Louis Dix wouldn't say that. - No, I know you're lying. - My father would. I'm sitting there halfway through a shitty gel. And I looked to my mom being like, you dragged me here. And my mom texts me, Washi's waiting. He says, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna make a run for it. Like the vibes here are horrible. And my mom gets up and leaves me mid gel. Gets up and leaves me to the nail salon. She dragged me too. So I just want to know, what would you have liked her to do? Sit there, gotten her nails, - Yes. - A snafu on every finger. - Yes, just out of solidarity. - Yes, no. - That's not a tourist we'll lock in with you. A Scorpio will leave you high and dry. You, if that had been the two of us, you would absolutely have loved. She even said, make me. She even said, there's a really good spot down the street. The place where you should go. - The place where I, so I locked her out of my apartment. My zone, I told her she needs to give me 20 minutes. She said, you're leaving me out on the cold. It was 75 degrees. I said, you'll make it work. You left me, you left me in a nail salon for 30 minutes. You had something to do. - I can't believe you locked your, she carried you for nine months. - And you locked her out of the home where you pay rent. We pay your little rent. - Exactly, gosh. - Oh my gosh, my rent. And you're the nerve to drag me to a nail salon I don't want to go to and then abandoned me. Oh, that is actually, I'll say one of the more crazy things I've ever heard come out of your mouth. In the decade plus we've been friends. Some of my most white behavior after jumping out of a movie vehicle. - Yeah, no, I hope the comments are hot for you. - Me too. - And they will be. - They get me together in those comments. - They do, your DMs and the comments on the Spotify link, they get me together. - Um, that's actually so funny. But we about to get you together. - 'Cause what are you talking about this week? - Oh, I'm so glad you asked. This week we're talking about the secret lives of Mormon wives, speaking of disrespecting mothers. - Oh, there you go. - Get ready to lock in. - Shake the table. - And also, Lord, the return of Lord. And then we're joined by Joel Kimbooster to talk about Peacock's love hotel of which he is the host. So, let me just say this actually. I'm sorry, excuse me. I'm hearing reports. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinion? Are you a hater first but a lover of a culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat. But we're not calling you out, no, no, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space. Two talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Diggs. - And I'm Hunter Harris. - And this is, let me say this. - Ah, let me say this. I've been waiting to say this. - No, I've got a feeling to say. And I'm gonna say it right now. (laughs) (upbeat music) ♪ Yeah, oh my God, yeah, we love it too ♪ ♪ Hey, yeah, yeah, get your face on my talk ♪ ♪ Let me say this, let me say this ♪ - Okay, I was upstate on my eat, pray, love shit. And Hunter said, Peyton, that season two is time to get serious. It's time you walk into another season two of real housewives of Mormon. - Absolutely. - Nope. Nope. I'm gonna stop you right there. The secret lies of Mormon wives. - That's what I was going to say. So that's what I was like, actually, right off the side. And like, mind you, I'm like having this lovely full day I'm off my phone and then I'm locking in the minute I get back to my hotel room and I'm pressing on the most toxic show I've seen with my two God-given eyes. I'm gonna shake the table. Season two is better than season one. - I would actually agree. - Of course, you would agree. There's so much more, first of all, there's so much more happening. They definitely have like a bigger budget, wider birth, 'cause the room room season one ends so abruptly, with like the macy hearing that Taylor's boyfriend was shooting on her. - Yes. And I will say spoiler alert. Okay, skip forward 15 minutes if you need to, but honestly, we've got to get it to it so you don't want to skip. - You don't want to settle it. All right, and pull some popcorn out in a soda. Get you a swig soda and see you. - Yes, some swig. - So where are we at? Where are we at right now at the girls? - Okay, so last season finished with Whitney Love It. Dramatically leaving the mom talk group chat and the whole show was about will mom talk survive. But this season, she's trying to work her way back into everyone's good graces. And the group is divided over, first over a feud that is between Jen Affleck and Demi, don't know her last name. And then eventually it becomes against like between Jen and Taylor, who is like the leader of mom talk has the most followers is like the whole reason why mom talk exists and also came forward with the whole swinging drama, which is like what started season one. - And speaking of the swinging drama, we have OG mom talker Miranda. Just the nice normal, blonde girl, but she was part of the original swinging cast, if you will. And she's back and she, I know, she plays it safe to me, but everyone's always like arm's length. - She's a good friend to us, yeah. - She comes in very like, she has a really strong scenes in the beginning and then kind of like goes by the way side, which is fine because we'll Halloween. - We'll get to the Halloween party, 'cause we don't want to be in the Halloween party. - Nothing bringing together like a messy white man. - Wow. - Okay, I was so shocked when I press play on this about like how much had happened, like how much there is to catch up on from episode one, that Jen and Zach, they had this whole fight last season over going to Chip and Dale's, they are no longer together, separated, but then very quickly in the season, Jen finds out that she's what pregnant happens to the best of us. - And I, I felt so truly sad. - Yeah. - To just imagine what is going on in this woman's life where she is like trying to work on her marriage, figure out if she even wants me to this loser of a husband. - She does. - But is now like pregnant and trying to be excited, but obviously like, I don't even think she's trying to be excited though. She was from jump, look down and said, in her head. - She was even like, she was like, she was like, she stopped sobbing immediately, but I think she is trying to like, you know, she says like every child was a blessing and like, but how can I bring a child into like, what I don't even know is happening with my marriage right now. It was very sad. Macy and Michaela. So Michaela, another very moving story. - Yes. - Despite not being so present in season one, Michaela has this, you know, real moment of vulnerability where she says that she was sexually abused as a child. - Yeah. - And because of that, she felt like she was always like, hiding and not being very open. And now she wants to like, really send up for herself more. - And she does. She's actually the only person. that stands on business about being like Whitney, you're messy, we see how you move and we're keeping, I'm not saying I'm on her side about it, but I do feel like she is consistent. - Yeah, and I do, I can see that all the producers are doing their job this season because they got their girls aside and they said it's time to step your pussy game up, okay? 'Cause we had like two leaders last time. It was like, oh, I know, Demi Storyline, Whitney, and then Taylor, but this one, everyone is fighting for that line like and thank God. - No, everyone, and speaking of who is locked in, no one more than Demi and Jessie. - Oh, they were on their Zoom. - Wait, no, they circled in every scantron saying, I'm the star. - And then Demi did for sure. Jessie is like kind of like her second in command, which, listen, turns. - She saw that everyone on TikTok was doing like the Mormon rankings and she was booking number one every single time. Demi, so she said, put the camera's on. - Not kept the camera's, put the camera's on deadass. - Let's get to filming. - Another girl who's stepping out to the plate, a little Miss Messy Layla, with her tiny body and her huge tits. (laughing) Respect. - She's gonna topple over. - No. - She came to play. I mean, not really play. She came to like, set things up and then immediately like back the fuck up. - Layla, honestly, kind of reminds me of you, no offense. - No offense. - Say it. - The way that Layla does not say it on business at all. - Lay the down. - And now, to greet Layla down on business. - Lay in the season. Layla is like, Taylor, I got you girl. I will say it up for you. I support you. Taylor has a conversation. Layla, she's like a Layla. It's crickets. - Oh my god. - Layla mows. Layla doesn't even make eye contact with her. She literally is looking up and around. And then even before that, she's like so in with Jessie and Demi. - Yes. - And then at one dinner, they like all write the like, "Who do you have a problem with?" or "I have confession." - Oh right. - And you write to your confession and then like, it cuts away. She doesn't stop anything to say about it. I was like, "You just said you had a problem with Taylor." - And that's why I love her. (laughing) - Layla, just do your best. Just get involved. Go play with the other kids. - And she did. - Listen, as I'm like, I don't know. I want to like Layla so much. I think that she is like, I mean, she's beautiful. - Yeah. - And she's cute in her all of her little videos. But no, she is cute in her TikToks. - Okay. - But I prefer her content to Mikaela's. - I don't want to. - Well, 'cause Mikaela is all she has to do. What did Whitney say? Listen, Whitney said, the food on that woman's table, the way she talks about me, and period. - I just want every black woman out of the Mormon church. Well, come here. - I think we lost that battle. - Yeah. - At least with her, sorry. - Already. - And then one thing I want to talk about, oh yeah, Taylor deciding what to do with her in Dakota. Dakota's her boyfriend. - Yeah. - Who truly, it's, I'm gonna say he's about 13. - Years old. - Emotionally, yeah. Everything, the last thing he heard is like, what he'll just repeat. And it's like, wait, what are you talking about? - Unfortunately, that boy makes me laugh. (laughs) - Even his confessionals, when he's sitting in a collared shirt, I'm like, you're playing cosplay. You're playing dress up as an adult man. - I am so tickled by this man for some reason. And I really, I want the best for both of them, mostly Taylor, obviously, but they're on screen chemistry. They are two fools in love. - It's just, it's crazy. - They fight all the time, and later in the season, they're like, wait, so you guys have been fucking on the low? - And he's like, yes. - So it looks to everyone's camera. - Correct, yeah, and then later, he's talking to his friend and they're playing basketball together, and he misses every single shot in the scene. No. - The people running this show are hilarious. - I love the editors, give them every award, but also the scene with them fight. The way that people fight in front of family is crazy to me. - Oh, Taylor's family? - Yes. - Okay, that was, I'm gonna say, and contention for like, reality scene of the year. Like, it rivals the Love Island USA scene, whenever that one girl got kicked off, and everyone freaks out. - 'Cause I'm telling you, watching, it's like, Taylor versus everyone. Oh my gosh, I truly was like, I write for Taylor now. Like, see someone, I was like, yeah, whatever. He's into it, like, no, I, if no one's got me, if no one's got her, I've got her. - You know who got her? - Well, actually, that's not true. - I was gonna say who? - I almost said her mom. - That's not her mom does not have anyone in mom talk. I know that. - Definitely not anyone in mom talk. But Lena, is that her mom's name? - Leanne. - Leanne, yeah. She also, she don't play about her daughter, but she also only plays about her daughter. - Yes, every, I mean, her dad being like, I'm not gonna point fingers. Literally, finger is in the air, mid air. And then he's like, if you felt like Dakota was only wanting to see you at night to sleep with you, I wonder what would make him think that. And it's like, oh, gosh. It's like, the gears like, 2017 through 2019, just like did not happen in that house. - Well yes, well yes. - They didn't. - That's the point of the show, yeah. - Dang, that's your daughter. But you, you know, you got up close and personal. You got, you got added to the group chat. - That's a little bit of an insight in some ways. - I, yes. I went to a little town called St. George, Utah. And I went to, it's from the day with Whitney. And I mean, like the entire day, we went, I went to her house. We were there for a little bit. We went to pick up her daughter. We went to swig, swig. - The original swig, the original swig. I got what's called a refresher. What was it called? Something, something, something. But it was good. I liked it. It was so sweet. Whitney's husband, Connor is so nice. I think their marriage is so funny to me. They're so locked in together. But also, I mean, especially from season one, Connor is like her main talk to and all of her season one scenes. And he's on his president in season two, but he does have that really good scene where he's talking to Taylor about like about Dakota. - Obviously, it's really hard to dig yourself out of a hole as like a part of a couple. - And everyone starts crying and being like, "Wait, you ate that." Like that was actually really affirming and kind and thoughtful. - Yes, I know that's entirely matched my experience with him. Also, they got me like three drinks at swigs. I like, we didn't know which one I would like. And Connor and the very damn you, the trunk of the car is like, whatever Hunter doesn't have, I'll have. - I was like, I got scared for a second. I was like, you went three sodas. - Caffeine hates to see you coming. - No, I did, because we say I cannot have anything with caffeine. - Yeah, I just triggered, please. But yeah, she did have this really funny time where she was like, "Well, a sentence is a really good job of keeping herself relevant." I was like, "Oh, Whitney, you're so funny." But she, this is a great season for her. - It is actually redemption arc boots. - Yeah. - Even if I'm myself, I'm like, okay, headband. - Yes. - Not too much of my girl, especially. - I think one of the other parts too that we talked about is like, you know, Chase, Miranda's husband, who kind of set off the swinging drama, because he was one who was like, "Oh, I have things for Taylor Taylor was like, "I do not have things for you." I was telling Whitney, it's rare that I hear every single person in a Casabella TV show talk shit about one person. And he comes on screen and I was like, "Oh, I heard about you." And for a good reason, actually. - Oh, I cannot imagine a more deplorable person. - Yeah, he came on screen and I smelled it. - Even though he was playing in her, I was like, you were dressed as Justin Bieber, and it was pre-sari. - It was in the worst era of Justin Bieber. - Even though he poked me. I was actually, I mean, everyone's like, "Did you mean maybe you overreact?" I said, "No, get him, get him again, get him for me." - 'Cause even the way that he was doing it, I was like, you were trying to be a jerk. - Yeah, it was a high school boy. - Yes, yes, it was so high school boy. - Oh my gosh. Here's the thing, well, Mom tech survived. What was like, boy, Mauricio? - From Bader Palm Bill. - Oh my God, yeah. I love the crossover episode. - I kind of, also Mauricio just insisting on drinking straight, like, miscal or tequila in his one little seat. - I like it. - I like it. - You are a mess. - You're a mess. - You're a mess. - You're a mess. - Oh, girl. Mom tech might not survive this. We might need to get into band-a-pop next, actually. He made me sit up. I was kind of listening and walking around the apartment, and then I stopped and was like, "Oh, he's a mess." - Once he had your taste and been reared to death. - No, I knew what I didn't say all that. - I kind of wish he had given this confession to someone other than Leila. 'Cause you know Leila is gonna be like, "Should I tell people, should I not?" - No, Leila's working this thing. - Girl, give it right to, like, Michaela. - But do you believe him that he claims that he slept with Jessie? And like, actually, the heat was originally on Demi. Demi, sorry. - Do you believe it? - Face up with Jessie? - Yeah. - But they actually hooked up? - No. - I don't believe it. I mean, Jessie, to me, is like grown. Like, she had a swinging history of her own a little bit. She, whatever was married before. She, every time she talks, she like, I'm like, well, you've had like a whole life outside of this. - Well, she has her own business. - I don't know if this brain's developing. - Yeah, yeah. But I don't, I don't believe that. Risking, I mean, not that I care about her husband that much, but risking her whole life for this man who literally is like, he was shifting too much of that chair for me. I was like, just sit, sit down. You think she's guilty? - I think a lot of bad bitches have been more for less. That's all I'll say on the matter. And some of those bitches might be in the room. - I was gonna see you right now. - Maybe I'll be able to show. (all laughing) - And you can, maybe a movie, just maybe a squirrel, and I won't name names. Oh, there's only two women in this room right now. I'll say that. (all laughing) - We'll see. We'll have to wait and find out. But I just want a little smoothing. A little, a little necking, she will. (upbeat music) - Okay, starting off season two with a bang. If you will, hated that. - I'm gonna come and do it actually. - No, I'm so sorry. - Because I meant it. With us today, we have Joel Kembouster, actor, comedian, and host of Love Hotel on Peacock. Hey. - Hey, I did not know I was in the season premiere of season two. I'm honored. - It's only the best. - Only the best. Okay, Joel. - I have a very important question for you. - Yes, yes. - Are you a lover? or a hater? I think that like many people, I was list, uh, who came up on Twitter. I was a hater by sort of training. Like I'm, I'm an OG gay Twitter member, you know, I was on the ground floor. I was in the trenches and like, certainly back in those days, hating was how you got engagement. I think it still is, but now that I, um, I'm in my, I'm pushing 40. I definitely am feeling, I think I'm more intrinsically a lover at heart. Oh, that's beautiful. That's shaking the table. You went through it to go to it. Is that what they say close? I think it's for me is like, I really, I just genuinely enjoy the experience of loving something even when it's bad. Like, like, I just, I love to see like a high school production of legally blonde, you know, and I, and there's, uh, there's a lot to hate there. But yet I love it, but there's more to love. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's why you're the host of love hotel. Like now, now it's coming around. Now I see a full circle, full circle moment. Okay. So now I have to ask, are you a lover or a hater of being set up? Like setups? Oh, I hate it. Actually, um, I, it's because I think this is a special problem that gay people face. Um, a lot is that like, if as soon as a girl named Heather meets more than one gay person, she immediately wants to set them up. And maybe that person is hunter. Yeah. I never tried to set you up quite. Oh, one, one time, one time and, and the other party asked to be set up with you. Oh, well, when you put it like that, you know, so they're upset. My thing, my thing with setups in general is it is a, it's a mirror that your friend is holding up to you. And you are, like, you finally see what your friend thinks of you based on the person that they have set you up with. And that is sometimes hard. Sometimes it's hard. And sometimes you find out that your friend is a hater based on the set up that they hate. Yeah, I hate me. Good to know. That's so, no, that's so true. Every time I've been set up, I've honestly been very surprised. Like I've been pleased. Oh, but I am glad that they weren't like, oh my god, you're so dumb. We might have made dumbies for you. Funny, though, is that like, when I got to New York, this guy was like, I want to set you up with a friend date with this other guy. He's also gay and also does comedy and then put us on a group chat together. And we were both so like, because that was the reason he gave. We were both like, no, we don't want to be friends. Like, just like we don't want to be your two little gay Asian friends to like set up on a play day. And so we put off meeting for a long time. And that person was boonying. And then we finally met and we were like, Kiki and sisters immediately. And we were like, fuck this white guy who actually got it right. So that is like the most successful set up I've ever been on platonically. Wait, that is such a sweet story. Oh my god, like my, my lover heart just grew a little bit. That's kind of what Emerson College did to us. They put two black girls because they were going to in a room and said, you're going to study, you're going to watch the nook of the nori together and it really going to bomb. It's always going to grow from that. Yeah. Okay, I'm loving love hotel. Yes, thank you. Yeah, it's fun, right? Yes, it's so fun. And also, I need a vacation so bad. So it really is scratching that itch for me. Let me say, um, okay, what did you just go on vacation? No, I was in London for work. Okay, it was not sunny there. Okay, I need to know, did you have any favorite hosts like on TV or like an MTV anything that like inspired how you approached hosting the show? Um, yeah. I mean, definitely, uh, Stephen Pack was like, uh, a big one for me, obviously. And then, um, uh, Dave Holmes, um, dating myself now is a big one. But you know who really turned it out for me? It was America's funniest home videos, Daisy Fuentes, Daisy Fuentes. Yeah, she did the big one. Yeah, she did. She did a big one on, she did a big one on America's funniest home videos. I just thought she was like so beautiful and like a woman in comedy, you know? A woman in comedy, just introducing nut shots. And, um, so I'm going to do it on this work. Honestly, yeah, period, um, you're obviously a big housewise fan. But let's kind of, let's set the girls up who are listening in. Of, can you talk us through the setup of love hotel, starring possibly your favorite housewives? Uh, yeah. So love hotel, it is basically it's, uh, uh, what is that show? Love Island, uh, meets, uh, the golden bachelor. It's these four women from various housewife franchises. We've got Ashley Darby, Jacelle Bryant from Potomac. We've got Shannon Storms, Bedore from OC. And we have the one, the only Countess, the land from New York. And they are dating it waves of men are checking into this hotel. This resort that we were in in Mexico and they have their two, their, their choice and they go on dates and they had phone love and they fall out of love. And they, um, honestly, they don't fight that much with each other. It's, I always say about the show that the lovely thing about it is that you really do see the women sort of like band together and in support one another, like girl code down, um, and all the conflict is usually with the men. So that's like fun. It's a fun change of pace to see, for sure. I love when women fight men. That's what I'm like, yes, yeah, that's even Harman. I've been, I've been talking about this whole time. I also, it's kind of like watching like people like whip the votes in Congress. Like, okay, so I, I want my, I want to give him my key. But like, you kind of helped me out here and like give your other key to like this other guy that I like that. Jacelle Bryant is Kevin Spacey and House of Cars. Um, like, you said something radical, diabolical. Um, so no. Okay, but it's right. Potomac is my entry point into the housewives universe. As it should be as a tip. Thank you for saying that we are also both novices, but Roni was my, well, that's true. Atlanta was my injury. And then I got onto Roni so late, but like, what is Luan? What is the countess like the countess is everything you wanted to be like and more. I will say like the thing is is I knew while watching, while hosting this show and observing Luan, I knew what music they were going to play under. Every single one of her scenes. And it was like, like, I was like, these are comedy beats. Like she is like, listen, they're all housewives, they're difficult to corral. Luan, you know, is no exception to that. But somehow Luan made it fun. It was like, it's like, you know, we, we were always chasing her down. Like we, we were always like trying to like get them in the right places, you know, where they needed to be for shooting and stuff like that because it's a big hotel. And like, but with Luan, we were always sort of like, Oh, Luan, that's, you know, it was just amazing. She did, I told her I couldn't swim and she told me that the secret to saving your own life in the ocean is to just pretend like you're dead. And the ocean will carry you back to shore. And I will say, I don't think that's true. I really hope that sounds like stage advice. That's where my, yeah, no, I think you'll wash up a shore eventually. But you'll be long dead. Yeah, I will say there was a scene where she's walking on like the beach at the sunset with like one of her men and she literally says, OK, I'm done. And turns around. I just don't really ever do darling. I'm like, yeah, I was, I, yeah. OK, I also, you know, not to give the men too much air time. But of course, we are curious. Did you have any favorites of the men? I did. You know, I would say for the most part, the men that were there long enough to get to know, we're all really lovely. I loved Mark. He was a great guy. Earl, the Pearl, the best we have. Wale, I told Wale, I was like, well, you are going to be so good on traders. So you know, I was like, you're a superstar. Love Wale so much. Yeah, they're all great. They're all, they're, they're, there wasn't really a stinker in the bunch. Now granted, I only knew them for three weeks. And with men sometimes they, it takes years for them to reveal the darkness. Actually, or three seconds, I'm so glad you brought it up. Because what are, what do you think are like the biggest red flags that are like in dating or what were you looking for when you were dating? You know what? For me, I think it's like a, you really need to gut check it because I do not get these people. And there are many of them. And I was never like this. And it's part of why I was 33 before my first relationship. But like, you should be excited to see the person you're going on a third date with. And I know so many people, especially in cities like New York, where they're like, yeah, I'm going out with this guy again. I'm not exactly sure how I feel. But like, you know, I'm just like letting it see what develops blah, blah, blah. And it's like, no, baby. Like by this point, you should want, you should be feeling something. And I feel like that not having like not being excited to see your third date is a major red flag for me. And I know a lot of people push back when I say this and say, like, Oh, I was friends with my wife for three years before we, you know, realized that we were good love partners and things like that. That's different. That's not the same thing as like going on a third hinge date with some rando that you don't even like that can't hold it down. That does not, you don't, you, you clearly don't want to invest in this person. So just don't bother. And I think some people just need to be dating so much that they put that. Those feelings aside, ignore. that and say let's push through this and maybe eventually I'll fall in love with this person. As a lesbian I obviously can't relate to that because I'm like third date. So you're not going to marry me. Oh you want me dead. I'm so confused. I'm thinking what do you mean? We're both a newly single after a long relationships and sometimes I'm like dreading a first date. I'm like oh here we go. We put on the slip liner. And I'm like I'm flying to LA. I'll see you soon. So that's how we operate here. I'm in love hotel, time square. We want to know which housewife would you have signed up for season two of love hotel? I think this show is I'm going to say I'm going to cheat and say two names. I think that Heather from Salt Lake, this show is really built for her. She's one of our like most single housewives I would say. And I think like she's she's really put in the time. She's given us so much in a short amount of time she deserves to be in the love hotel and find a man that way. And I'm also going to say Adriana from Miami because kuku kuku kuku kuku kachu beautiful and funny and single and again a very very single housewife. So I think both of those women would be just superstars on that show. Did the idea of the show come from the fact that so many housewives are single? I have no I think the the idea of the show came out of the success of love island. I've heard of all but I heard this tiny little show. I think like and dating shows in general. I think but I do think they're trying all these new formats with that. So I it's like because the shows have like grown and involved in such a way where like they're self aware. They're they're almost a little too aware of the meta of it all. And and so I think it's fun to like take them out of their comfort zones and put them in these situations because I will tell you like people like just like jazel is a control freak and you can tell that she she really you know produces her show unofficially and in small ways. And that was not the case on this show. And and I think like it's it was it was it made jazel so much more interesting to watch seeing her put in this position where she's not in complete control where she's not necessarily like queen of the castle. And so I think seeing these housewives in these other sort of situations is like kind of where the whole bravo universe is probably heading. Totally. I mean, I think traders too. I was gonna say I have two pitches. Send the abaley and run a medley. Oh, oh, I think. Get the producers on. You know, Cynthia, I don't this isn't a spoiler because she's in the trailer but she does show up. She does make an appearance on the program and is one of the loveliest human beings I think I've ever experienced. And one of the most beautiful too. That we know. One of the best we have. God, I'm hoping someone says that about me. Really needing that. Oh my god. Okay, famously, you brought Pride and Prejudice to the Pines with Fire Island. This year marked the 25th anniversary of the Kieran Knightley Pride and Prejudice movie. Do you have opinions about that movie? Was that an important adaptation for you? Um, I grew up on the BBC mini series. So I will always hold that close to my heart. Jennifer Ely and Colin Firth, like are the OGs. They will, they will sort of always be those characters to me. I will say it's a hard, it's a hard story to adapt into a normal length movie. But I think that Joe Wright did a fantastic job. I'd so beautiful. I think the one thing that it does capture about that the Bennett family that the mini series sort of doesn't do is you really feel the wealth disparity um in these different echelons in that movie in a way that you don't necessarily feel it in the BBC version. It's sort of they're all in the same costume on the BBC version. But like you feel like there's like there's like mud in their house. You know, like they're pigs when you are like these people are poor. And yeah, so I think it's great. And I think a lot of the stuff that they added is really fun. Like obviously the iconic hand touch moment. Yeah. A moment in the rain, which I fully ripped off, you know, all of it. It's so good. And you know, I'm painting. I know you appreciate the hand touch moment because that is what you get in lesbian movies. It's just a little grazing of the hand. It's so nice to be seen. I can't see me. Okay. Literally when we were talking about this in the producing meeting, I was like the hand moment and Hunter was like, okay. Well, I'm familiar. I was on Tumblr in the year 2011. So yeah, I saw I saw Matthew McFadden's hand a lot. I just thought we were all kind of light up the way I did. But yeah, that's just for me. That's for us. Okay, that's for us. That's for us. Yeah. I mean, well, speaking of, of course, Princess, we're doing the very smooth segue right now to Fire Island, baby, to the season. Hunter said it was somewhere earlier today. I feel like we're here now in their city. So which obviously means it's Fire Island season is, you know, when you go back now, do you have a different experience as when you went before your film came out? Yeah. I mean, it's definitely like a concentrated group of people that were likely to see the movie at some point or hear about the movie. You know, some of them might have even been there because they saw the movie. And so it there is like, there are moments where I feel like Mickey Mouse is Disneyland, where I'm sort of like the like in a big Hello Kitty costume under and just like walking around T. But I will say the thing is about Fire Island is that you're it is summer camp vibes because you're strapped on a tiny island with the same group of people for the full week. And you see that you see the same people over and over again. And so the veterans are very aware of that. And so they keep it cute. Like they do they don't like they don't get weird usually it's just a nice comment or something like that. I will say no one is more likely to tell me they hated my movie or give me notes on my movie. Then a drunk gay guy on Fire Island. That is happening. That is having a number. I have feedback. Yeah. Thank God. I wouldn't do this right now. The movie is cut. It's printed. It's out there. I can't go but I'm not going to do a Zack Snyder cut with your alts in mine. Oh my gosh. I was trying to explain. I mean I've forgotten Fire Island as again the L and LGBTQ. So I'm normally like quietly in the back of you know I don't take the frenzy. I know it's capital G gay there. But I mean that's why cherry grove exists. I you know and I still for some reason is like I'll stay in the pines because I like to suffer. It's what the pie the thing is is I have I know tons of trans girls and lesbians that do go to the pines because I think it's an age it's more than age thing than a lesbian and gay thing with cherry grove. Like the pines are this is where you go when you want to like have fun and party with young people and the cherry grove is like once we have kids we'll go to cherry grove and and I'm young so yeah you know we're all the but I was saying I made a reference to the meat rack and I wanted Hunter to I'm just setting up my straight friend here we go to take a guess at what the meat rack is a few Fire Island things and then you'll explain it to her. But what do you think the meat rack is? I think the meat rack is a gem where a lot of really buff guys go. It's a great educated guess actually. That is a really nice guess and a really great name for a gem. I will say the gem on Fire Island is very small and it is ground zero for so much body dysmorphia like I'm like I'm constantly walking by and I'm like why are you there? We're on vacation like give it a rest please like it is and of course I go because I have the same disease and you're the first time question yeah yeah talking to someone. No the meat rack is a stretch of island it's in the dunes and it is a pathway between the pines and cherry grove that you can walk it's very creepy at night but also very sexy at night and there's a lot of bushes and it's where like it was like a very early cruising ground and it still exists in that capacity unfortunately grinders sort of killed the meat rack in a lot of ways but I know a lot of people who still like to go vintage and like really just see what they can dig up in the meat rack. Grindr killed the meat rack is like a name of an album somewhere. Yeah it's a long time. It's on cloud right now. I was like why was that so poetic and beautiful to me? I hate being gay it's actually a person yeah like you spelled okay what do you think the ice palaces? Ice palace yeah oh I think the ice palace is a snow cone track where people can go and and go on dates like kind of like icy dates like you that we have that at church camp icy dates but we were not there were bars the ice palace is a bar in cherry grove where the infamous underwear party on Friday nights happens it is sort of you it a right of passage for every gay person who's going to fire island must strip down to their underwear yeah and go to a party surrounded by other people in their underwear it's great. Oh okay hunter's like book me a ticket. Ice palace does just sound like a place you do coke yeah wait yeah I mean not not or church you know church icy day move along okay sorry last one sunken forest um this sound like a vintage shop where you might find Charlie XeX trying on clothes in the back. -That is like kind of amazing. -Hundreds got really good ideas. This is a business meeting now. So this is just an area of fire. I'm not even sure. But it's like tree stumps and there's a little bit of bay water sort of, it's just a beautiful place to go and get a photo up basically now. But also like Walt Whitman used to go there and sit in the sunken forest and write, you know, like so. It's not that pedigree as well. -That sounds gorgeous. Wait, I know. I'm actually. -I wonder if I really like this. -I think it's that's so crazy. We shoot a doc. Well, maybe it's a second film. We really are, we really are ideating in this. -No, no, no. -On the Zoom call. Yeah. Joel, thank you so much for doing us. It was such a pleasure. We cannot wait to keep watching Love Hotel. And what can people follow you? -They can follow me yet. I hate Joel Kim on Instagram. I'm no longer on Twitter. I miss you, Hunter. You're one of the few people that I miss from that place. Otherwise, don't miss it at all. But yeah, check me out on Instagram. I'm also on TikTok. I think that's just my name. But I don't use that platform very much because that's none of my business. -Many such stories. What they're doing on there, that is none of my business. -I love it. That's my culture. That's not my culture. Thank you. -Thank you so much, Joel. You know, Pride is coming up. Oh, Hunter, did you know that the LLGBTQ does not stand for lesbian? -What are they saying for? -We don't stand for. See how a straight woman is going to make something about her? God forbid, I center myself. Well, guess what? It's Lord. Another straight woman actually against all odds. Well, we don't know that. Yeah, we do. I got texts, actually. Oh, I asked the streets and I confirmed. But we are so sort of back. We went from flop solar power album. And I'm not saying, I don't know, I'm not saying it was a flop to me, even though it might have been, but it was a flop to most people. It was unstreamed in a lot of communities. Listen, Lord is not my bag. She's not my little, like, canvas tote. However, that was. -I love obnoxious. -No, it wasn't. But I like solar power. I like the winter in case this brings. Everyone's like, "Stop being happy. We don't like you like that." She was like, "Noted." And then, and then. -I think I'm happier. -And then came back with the Charlie XCX feature on Girl So Confusing, which really shook many tables in Bushway. -It's fuzzy. -In this room, too. It shook my table. It took this little coffee table right here. -It shook mine, too. Sometimes I will listen to that again and really start getting emotional. -Yeah. Because I've also had Bonnie dysmorphia. And it will make you not go to dinner. I'll tell you that. -It is confusing to be a girl. -Anyway, the way Hunter and I made an eye contact made me uncomfortable. That's all I want to say about that pause. And now, we have Lord announcing the ultrasound route tour and the new album Virgin. And a few things came with that. And I'll start with the Rolling Stone interview where. -The cover. -Cover. -Cover. -My Britney Spanish, yes. Well, where are you, government name? Shout out to that writer. I don't know her, but I'm sure it was awesome, but I did see, of course, the poll quote where she was talking to Chapel Rowan, who was like, "So what's up? You know I'm binary now or what?" Which is so you, Hunter. -That's me. -No, that is not me. -No, no. -No, no. It would be. -No. -You're a straight shooter. You're like, "What do I need to know?" Because you will respect a pronoun no matter what. -Through and through. -A period. -But you got to know it first. And you're like, "I don't want to make an assumption. I don't want to make an asset. You wouldn't make it. But you got to tell me what's up." -I, you're a chapel. -I would do it. I'm not. I would do it a little more delicately. Like, "Oh, they're asking on stage." Something like that. -Just someone else. -Just because I would like to know, just so I can be respectful. -We're smart. -Yes. But asking straight up. Because also, I'm like, they can't know each other that well. -No. -Maybe they are fast friends. -They are. But I'm like, "You haven't been knowing her for like a while. You just. " -So what's up with your gender? -You interview out. -But I guess. -You dummy or you. -Are you in? -I'm sorry. -I'm having a mercy. -Demond the bottle, catching stories. -But I guess I did forget that on the McAller Red carpet, when Lord was talking about her dress, she was like, "Oh, because I have the back out, because it's like kind of man and woman." -I'm not making a joke. That's basically what she said. -I didn't see that. -Yeah. -I wish I didn't hear it either. But it is what it is. But her response to the chapel's question was, "I'm a woman, except for the days that I'm a man," which is not a very satisfying answer, but there's a part of me that has really risen to boxing it up, which I respect. Because I feel like that was part of the backlash of Demond the Vato being like, that was too much, after coming out as non-binary. -Yeah. Well, I guess I just have to say, I appreciate someone will. What? -No, I'm just laughing at Demond the Vato. -Oh, going Lord. -It's a stream skyscraper. -But I think it's very bold to be. So, publicly living in the nuance of, I'm not this or that, but I'm still figuring this out, like myself. -Yeah. Well, I think in a weird way at all, but I think non-binary or using Vedem pronouns has become not this expansive way of identifying in gender, but like a third gender. -Yeah. -Now I'm picking versus the whole point, which is exploring what the expansiveness of gender can be. I just thought it was the thing for me, which shout out to Lord, truly, the thing for me was I thought she was coming out as a lesbian. She had 14 carabiners on her in that one TikTok video, 14. -Oh. -And you're marching through the streets, Arapod Max is on, and you're not going to come out as a lesbian. -Oh. -See, that's first gosh. -Oh, my gosh. -Yeah, I have a bone to pick. It's you are like, I don't even know, you're like the, like the, you're, you're what they say, and they talk about the woke mind virus. -I am, I am the moke, moke. I am the woke, oh my god. -You can't even say it because I'm the problem. No, when people like don't come out as lesbian, it like pisses me off. -Oh, my gosh. And I know I've been hearing you since 1994. -True. -Every time I'm like Hunter, be a little bit by, and then I'm like, wait, no, that's my thing. It's like I can't even, I can't even stand on business about that. -Yeah, oh gosh. -But will we be going to the ultrasound world tour? -Yeah. -No. -Oh, no. There's nothing for me there. I respect it, but there's nothing for me there. -She said, like I said, I've got my tote bag. -Oh, but I have a bone to pick with you. -No, don't, we're in public. We're in, we're in the company. -Because where was I when you went to the sweat tour, to the brap tour? Where was I? -I know. -I was in the ally then, was I? Well, Lord is straight, so you don't need to be an ally. I don't want to see that. I wanted to see Charlie, but then my ticket got taken. -Oh, my God. -Well, if you can get me, throw me a ticket and a plus one, please, so I can bring this girl to look at some people she can find in Bushwick. There was some music she can play on her speakers in our home. -I love playing it too. -It's good. Yeah, what was that? -Oh, no. -The tower was that. I wouldn't say that. -Oh, I liked that. -I didn't. I thought it should have been harder. It should have been harder, louder, faster. The beat drop should have been bigger. -Not you being a three-six-five-party girl. -Maybe so. -Are you kind of Brad? Are you kind of Charlie in the equation? -There I say Hunter is Brad. -Oh, sorry. I take it back. -That was the most common that you have ever been. -Oh, and you've been her a few times. -I rest up. You know, no common, but I rest her. Oh, Jesus. -Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be. Oh, one more thing about Mormon wise. That pregnancy roulette. Absolutely not. Oh, my goodness. The worst thing I've seen on TV in a long time. And the worst thing I've seen on TikTok a long time is Lord not being a lesbian yet again. Make sure to follow us on our new accounts. Again, we got our body done, okay? YouTube TikTok Instagram @let me say this pot. And LA, guess what? 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