Sebastian Stan, Vol. IV

there's a lot of conjecture about who you're playing right not all of it is right clearly because they're about three you know sorry i'm batman that's the twist it's got the voice who else obviously i mean where's ross what i mean prepare your ears humans happy sad confused begins hey guys it's josh welcome to another edition of happy sad confused today on the show it's one of our favorites fourth time on the show sebastian stan yes the winter soldiers in the house but we are talking about much more than marvel today we're talking about his new film fjord a tease of the batman part two and much much more thanks guys as always for checking out the podcast remember to hit that subscribe button youtube spotify however you're doing it i appreciate you guys uh so thrilled sebastian one of our favorites probably one of your favorites is on the show again his new film is fjord opposite renata reinsva um fantastic film this is the film that won the palm door the ultimate prize at can this past summer and it is coming out in theaters now it is yes definitely one of those films that is in the awards hunt and justifiably so this is a transformative performance for sebastian bald head glasses like just kind of a a schlubby guy this is not the glamorous you know hero that we're used to seeing but props to him for another bold performance coming off just two years ago with a different man playing donald trump in the apprentice he's absolutely killing it and he does it again in this film fjord check it out um this conversation obviously as it always does with sebastian and on the podcast goes to many different places yes we tease the future of bucky of winter soldier in doomsday and more we talk about the batman part two which he is shooting right now i can't wait for that one matt reeves deliver us another batman film it's gonna be great um and much more he's in a great spot he's a new dad so thrilled he's on the podcast again remember if you like what i do support us over on our patreon patreon.com happy say i confused early access discount codes you can ask questions of our guests today on the show we actually asked a bunch of fan questions so get in on that at the producer level and above you can ask questions of our guests like we did for sebastian stan today so without any further ado here we go me and sebastian stan enjoy sebastian we can't hello we can't let fjord get out into the world without a happy say confused episode can we no we can't because everyone is happy sad and confused and fjord there it is i know you were thinking about the podcast during the film you're like look this is a tough job but at some point i'll get to sit down with josh in a very brightly lit studio and just relax yes fourth time on the podcast is that right yeah i was thinking i told you i was thinking on the way over here like the first time i know i did the pictures with you i know you've done the pictures a lot of i will probably 100 plus embarrassing photos to blackmail you with yeah well look here's a good take the fifth time on the podcast you know you get a free hat really yeah oh i love hats now clearly david harbour's in the club hiddleston's in the club claire foy oh okay great it's elite company i i'm i'm down i love hats so yeah let's let's get the most important topic out of the way you mentioned it's a good time for hats for you i mean look at this visage look at this head of this ball yeah in front of me yeah this is the first this is the first time for fjord that we've ever gotten to shave the head yes uh yes because the destroyer right i kind of shaved the sides but it was never really uh on the top but yeah fjord was like the first real crew cut since i was four or something because my mom used to shave my head when i was a little thinking that it was going to grow and thicker it doesn't work don't do that did you have any fear this is your livelihood what if it doesn't come back in the volume you want the i i have more fear now honestly looking like myself in a movie than looking different clearly looking at the last few movies you're like now you're obsessed with just transforming but it wasn't i i i know they all happened sort of simultaneously but one after the other but it wasn't really a plan and now it feels like at some point i have to go back just be you to to some version that looks i i do and and i was kind of worried about that the other day you're running away from yourself to get you on the couch you're just trying to get far away i'm running away from myself only to find my way back although 360 that's the important part yeah we're so in arriving at the i was telling you this film is fantastic this is you renata again um reteaming christian manju do i have that pronunciation yeah okay yeah great filmmaker um i mean there are many let's let's start with fjord and then we'll talk about other things as we always do but um i mean there's a lot of reasons to be excited about this for you i mean the filmmaker the romanian connection the opportunity to transform i mean is this one of those that i mean was this born off of the experience on the apprentice or had this been brewing for a while give me a sense of the origin story for this well it's a little bit of both because i obviously i i've been looking for years to kind of come back home with with romanian away and and find the perfect sort of project um and i obsessed watching a lot of filmmakers like munju um out of romania for years and approaching different ones and he and i had had conversations um for several years about finding the right thing and then finally this was it because he said i think i'm going to do my first english language movie and it will be your first romanian movie and and so that the fit and the timing was right and uh apropos to apprentice and a different man and sort of these characters i had played i i i felt coming off of these bigger bigger than life characters i wanted to do something much more subtle and nuanced and restrained and and and his films christian munju's films are so documentary like right as you as you know long takes long long takes they're all in one shot each scene is one shot no cuts and um he really is obsessed he used to be a journalist and he was obsessed with he used to be a journalist so he's obsessed with with trying to capture things to be as naturalistic and as real as in life and so this was very it was just a very different character than i had played um i thought it was an important subject matter i i 44 now had a kid but at the time already was really thinking about kids so so i felt it was just all kind of moving in the right direction for me so to contextualize this this you and renata play a a couple with five kids i believe yeah you're romanian the couple is norwegian have just moved to norway yeah and you know they are accused of abuse of of their kids yeah there's a layer of religious persecution perhaps they're conservative um yeah i mean i think i think that's what i is interesting and i think munju does really well with his films is this ambiguity that's that's at the center of the movie because a lot of it is about interpretation is it religious persecution right are that are they actually at you know uh guilty of what they're being accused of um the movie doesn't give you the answer so easily and i think um a very telling thing is as it's about self-awareness for the viewer is about what comes up for you when you watch the movie yeah um what are the things that that you feel strongly about um there's a lot of knee-jerk reactions to the movie which i think are very telling um and and so it isn't it isn't an easy film but i think it's a film that ultimately tries to explore this question of in today's world um where we are so divided how do we raise kids what what works what is best for for the children is it is it still these old traditional family values is it is it a different way of upbringing are we protecting families or are we tearing them apart you know there's there's a lot of questions like that that i think are important i mean this is the second film in a couple years that will be interpreted in vastly different ways i mean the apprentice was appropriated kind of on both sides to a degree and now this one is already happening and it hasn't even hit theaters yet here in the states i think it's a very but one thing they have in common is the european mentality approach i mean both of those ali of course is from iran but he's european and he has a very cosmopolitan upbringing and so like um and in europe they're much more interested in nuance and in the complexity uh of life situations right and not telling you how to feel walking out of the yeah and i think in america and there's nothing wrong with it i think it all has its place we're much more in need of give me the answer give me the ending that i how am i supposed to think how am i supposed to feel and neither none of these movies do that because life doesn't always give you that so your new dad i mean there must be i don't know if you've watched the movie since coming to dad has it has perspective on it changed already because it is so much about fatherhood and protecting your kids and what that means to be a man and a father yeah no 100 i mean that was sort of what i'm why i'm proud of doing the movie and why i stand by it in a way is um obviously it's it's interesting looking back now having had some time away from and kind of coming at it objectively um because i'm asking myself what are these things that i grew up with that i can that i should pass on to my kid and what are the things that i grew up with that really didn't work that i don't want to pass on yeah um so much of what we pass on is generational it's cultural it's it's history it's upbringing and i think looking at this movie it's it's really quite wild i mean i i you know i play a character that's very was raised very differently than me you know and and but these were traditional very traditional male yeah eastern european figures that i that i sort of saw in my own dad my grandfather and so on so um i think there's a real authentic piece to it but i i'm at it from the same point that i think and i hope any viewer would be which is now to try to ask what would you do in that situation what would you do if you're being accused of that of those things and your kids are being taken away from i think parents will have a very different experience with this movie yeah um but i i think i i do feel like the movie still makes a case for also showing why there there is a reason why these allegations are are happening you what was your has your has your definition of what it is to be a good man change do you think over the years i mean i don't know what you're such a great question yeah i mean it has i'm curious how you're feeling about that i think for me at the at the end of the day what it boils down to is tolerance and um and i and i said it earlier which is i i sometimes equate it to doing a plank for a really really really really long time but but this a degree of tolerance that i think is not so i don't i don't feel is so um present anymore man or women or however you identify it we we don't have we've lost tolerance for somebody else that's different for for criticism right for uh you know just just just a difference of of opinion it does feel like the value used to be placed on like like the idea of a man was someone that like set in their ways and they knew the right way and like good bad and ugly they kind of like stuck to it and if you have the right morals and the right whatever great but well it's just interesting because to see what's happening in today's world because i feel like now masculinity given the horrific examples we have in the authority figures that we're subjected to constantly that play out their own traumas on the rest of us constantly um is this this victimized entitled masculinity yeah you know um this sort of beating of the chest um and and it's so loud and it and to me it's so indicative of the total opposite of masculinity it's actually very revealing i find of how insecure and small it actually is you know um and that i do feel like masculinity is under attack it has been but it's also there's a magnifying glass right now where we're asking like really what is it what is a man today right um but we have to go back and look at the things that have worked and that didn't and i think there's romantic perceptions of it i mean you know you had you look at it in film right like the the heroic uh you know i almost want to say john mcclain was a pretty good man right in diehard you know well he's human he was he had flaws i mean flaws but flaws i i mean for me in movies that that's what i always loved and the lead characters were were flaws i mean you want to talk like james bond right now it's a whole who's going to be the next james bond you're going to follow daniel craig i mean that was an amazing james bond because he had flaws yeah yeah because he was not metaphorically and literally with every punch yeah and and and but i i do agree a certain i i do feel like a a degree of of tolerance and listening is is how i at least i think of of of a man more happy say confused coming up starting or growing your own business can be intimidating and lonely at times your to-do list may feel endless with new tasks and lists can easily begin to overrun your life so finding the right tool that not only helps you out but simplifies everything as a built-in business partner can be a game changer for millions of businesses that tool is shopify shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10 of all e-commerce in the u.s from household names like gymshark rare beauty and heinz to brands just getting started shopify has hundreds of ready-to-use templates that can help you build a beautiful online store that matches your brand's 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we recap the and slightly overanalyze some of the best and craziest true crime documentaries on our favorite streamers did the spouse do it why is the shady neighbor wearing leather gloves in july why did this guy agree to be interviewed in this documentary we ask the tough questions that you're often just screaming at your tv so every week we break down the twists red herrings and absurd documentaries that have kept you up all night it's high drama cozy vibes and absolute couch detective energy grab your throw blanket and hit subscribe search murder she watched wherever you listen to podcasts and let's solve this thing together can we take a step back because we kind of contextualize this we talked about this kind of coming off of the apprentice and we should cite really also a different man too because that was that one-two punch a couple years ago that we talked about i just met adam by the way for the first time adam pearson and tell your life oh cool yeah come on he's incredible there's a cool new doc about kind of like his journey to making a different man yeah yeah i think so he mentioned yeah yeah so anyway um but like i would imagine look those two films were big bets on yourself on the material either both could have failed miserably yeah and instead they were celebrated like i mean you got ton you got the oscar nomination the bafta nomination the golden globe and i would think i mean correct me if i'm wrong does that did that kind of going through all that reaffirm kind of like i'm doing this for the right reasons i mean the awards are nice and whatever that's not the reason to do it but the fact that like i took two risks that on paper didn't seem like the obvious thing to do and they found audiences they found critical love yeah i mean i think and you know obviously because you see a lot of movies and you're in this and uh it's so the difference is when people see the films and and it's really about getting people to see the movies that that's what those award at the end of the day that's what the award thing is really about is the attention that the movie can get and i think both of those movies to me felt like there were passionate subject matters that i really believed in there was also really for the first time where i wasn't a producer on the apprentice um per se but i was kind of treated like one because i was i was so involved in the behind the scenes of the making of that movie and to some extent i was really involved with a different man and so i i felt like i had major investments in them and and so the the fight for me was there on a on a bigger level and so i i going forward it definitely restructured kind of how i want to approach these things because i realized unless i really unless like i've got my hands and my feet and everything in my heart and maybe i shouldn't do it you know i should only do it when it's like something i really care for i mean it's kind of rare like looking at as many actors as i talked to about like the points in a career that where things shift and you've had a few you know shifting moments obviously at different points but arguably i could tell you the years we can do that i'd have you to do that but like the most recent one is probably like two years ago i mean do you feel like are you must be seeing different material access to different directors just in the last couple years is that fair to say definitely yeah i mean certainly yeah and and um and i feel very lucky that way i mean it's always uh so much of things coming together i realize now is about timing yeah and and i never knew that before because i always just thought well you get an audition and you you know hopefully they'll cast you whatever but it's about timing also in terms of um when is the movie happening but also uh the financing is it coming together especially if it's something that's difficult or challenging and it doesn't come together very easily and then also is this movie coming to you at a time where you are going personally through something that you can channel into it relate to or understand it because when you don't you know the difference and it's just a lot harder um it occurs to me we're almost 20 years to the day happy 20th the covenant sebastian i know like literally almost to the day yeah i think it came out september 8th 2006. wow really how are you celebrating this uh anniversary this year i had to call chase uh i gotta remind him of that it's been a minute since i've seen the film if i went back and saw your performance in it is there evidence of the oscar nominee that would come i don't know i i know i i don't know i was so i just really wanted to be ripped in that movie like everybody else and and i was like so under the gun because i don't remember if i told you like the producer of that movie called me a month before and said do you ever see the staying alive the john travolta movie which is the sequel that's supposed to alone director whatever right to saturday night fever i said no that's evil and he goes john travolta in that movie glistening abs i want you to look like that so i didn't know you've got the baby oil you give us the body yeah so i didn't know what to do at the time because i hadn't really like gotten into like training that way so i went to the gym i went to crunch and i went to this to this um uh trainer and i said i need to get these muscles and he said all right well here's the deal you gotta you gotta we're gonna lift three days a week and you're gonna have to eat a lot so i was like okay so then actually by the time i went to to canada for that movie i had like gain weight and i was like bigger and so i and to some extent fat like i wasn't right in shape and so then he told me i had like three weeks to lose all the way and so that's what i remember about that movie it's just like how do i get the swim scene to look like i'm just you know everybody else and then staring at chase and kitsch running around without shirts just without shirts i i mean but it was amazing because it was really like we all made well i think with the exception of maybe stephen straight um we all i know we all made sixty five thousand dollars each steven was a level up he got i think steven was a level up i i from what i remember but sixty five thousand dollars was like what did you do with the money was that did that feel like a lot at the time it was unbelievable i'd never you know i i was still working at a restaurant you know kind of like uh doing delivery and and being a tradie on the weekends and stuff it was an amazing that was 2005. i was living on still 42nd street uh yeah it was it was a great paycheck in in that time and look luckily it all happened at different points for each of you but like when chase kind of exploded and kitsch exploded on friday night lights were you like toby because toby did um robert ben's movie uh so so which was a huge cast and went on to do 10 000 bc and he was right yeah they were all doing a lot of stuff did you feel like my time was coming where did you felt behind like one step behind of course i mean i was i i yeah i i did a little bit which is why when chase called and said hey i'm moving to the city because i got this show it's called gossip girl yeah i mean i had booked this play which made me feel better about myself talk radio talk radio and i was going on broadway and i was like okay this is cool and i'm going to do this and chase moved to the city uh and then i ended up getting on that but yeah fry not lights was unbelievable we we've talked a lot over the years about some of the near misses here's one that came up that we've never talked about there was a book about the making of vampire diaries that said they really wanted you i yes is this true that you auditioned or they offered you and they did but you were on kings at the time is that yeah what happened was yeah they offered me um paul wesley's role right and um i yes i had just uh i think come off kings and and i think i was i was sort of like i felt really burnt out from like that not working out and just sort of the idea of like thinking oh i'm just going to sign up again for something that probably is not going to get to the second season like i'm just and and i think it was because the covenant sort of was in that supernatural world and and uh and i ended up yeah i i didn't do it and and then the show went on to on and on super super successful how were you over the years of like the near misses of watching those films or tv shows like could you separate yourself from the green lanterns and the star treks as we've talked about and all of that stuff or did you are you you know because you invest yourself in it and you see a life and then and then it doesn't happen for you i i i mean now looking back i feel right i feel grateful in the way because i don't know i don't know what to do i don't know what to do i don't know what to do i don't know if i was really ready for that kind of exposure when when i was younger i i to be honest i just don't emotionally and mentally like i i i i know what i went through in those years and and and my focus was was all over the place and and and so maybe that's just because it worked out the way it did and this is like my story but but i don't yeah i i i almost feel like i wouldn't i'm i'm definitely in a place right now where i wouldn't change anything so i i so i don't have look at where you are now you've got the best opportunities you've got a kid you've got a part like everything's very lucky yeah you got to the right place yeah so i so i can't look back and go oh what if i mean i i do think that's why timing is such a big thing people you know it really happens in in certain ways when i think you're ready and i just i think i was a late bloomer in a lot of ways more happy say confused coming up i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i i don't know from the parents 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found out not from them but from the random premise on my deadline or something yeah they were like did you see what's going on at san diego comic-con i said what and they're like they're doing the sequel and you're in the title and i was like oh my god we're going back because i had heard about this idea of like the winter soldier winter soldier and it just never happened so i never knew if we were going to do it but once that happened i go oh this is definitely a way this is better for me this is i fit better here i mean i know people always talk to you about like the stuff you haven't gotten to do and you've got to do a lot as winter soldier obviously you can't complain but like and you've talked about like oh maybe like kind of the leaner meaner like down and dirty kind of like lost years and stuff like that but i think that's kind of the like are you fine at this point like if that never happens or is that still a conversation that you that you bring up that comes up with five game company i always bring it up i mean i i i always bring it up um even the captain america thing i bring it up i'm like whenever sorry anthony i'm like whatever let's go you know he's had a run now he's had a few years well i'm just saying i i i'm like i'm i'm ready man like i'm and i'm just saying like i i'm but i'm at that sweet spot where i can still do some of it where you see the window closing for a few i've got some years but you know you start to think you go okay it's it's really more in terms of just the the action bits that you want to do but i i um it's hard it's hard to because i i was there for like in my humble opinion you know i i you know i i you know i i love the films that i was i mean winter soldier civil war infinity war and end game were like marvel it was unbelievable time and and so i'm so um i'm so biased i guess i'm so protective of it in a way but and and um and i do feel like the evolution of the character was right i don't think yeah i don't think it should have gone differently than it did i i i never have any idea about what it is that they want to do but i still feel that there's something about this character that hasn't totally yet yeah been completed and i think they know it so you will hopefully potentially maybe we've completed it in this no no no no we'll see i was gonna say so so doomsday is coming um for everyone for every exactly and the movie's coming too yeah exactly yeah so adventures no that's horrible um so the movie is coming at this point do you kind of like just surrender to the experience like you get on set you get eight pages of the script and you trust they're gonna figure it out like well yeah and also i mean i think it's evolved the the filmmaking in the process has evolved the collaboration has evolved and i think it's evolved and i think it's evolved and i think it's evolved of course it's a night and day when you have a script and when you know what you're working on but at the same time the caveat here is we've played these characters for years that's what people forget we've played them for so many years so it's it's not entirely sort of that you're rear-ended in the moment when you don't know what's going on yeah i mean you know how you're going to react like it's your left hand right it's there's an instinct to the character that immediately no matter what they throw at you you're going to react and you're going to know that's the right the muscle memory you've got yeah yeah yeah so and and um but it's a it's a process because uh because it evolves it evolves constantly and this particular one was evolving constantly and i think was being discovered constantly um but again it was it was nice to have it was nice to have the russos back yeah and there was something about it that felt really nostalgic but also uh familiar and so it's great from that i would think we're going to get a lot of reunions none more important than a bucky steve first reunion to see you guys back together to see that first moment there's a lot of reunions i i can't believe it's like public knowledge that he's in the movie now right i mean because he's admitted it and which one steve evans evans yes right yeah it's in the trailer no yeah exactly i mean i'm just you see it's like ptsd so like ptsd from going to i hope i just didn't but i i was laughing because he was shooting in the like isolated to a house in the home somewhere far away like james bond or something you know he was like right sequestered for yeah like in in and i go how are you doing this no one can know you're in england for this long period of time and how are you doing it um felt like a great secret but it's uh yeah it it's interesting because again you're always finding new levels of the character when they're opposite different levels of the character and you're always finding new people the thing for me in this was i just sort of realized at halfway point i was like i think i'm like clint eastwood in this group meaning like i'm just i'm just like the guy in unforgiven you know the kind of sort of like older bitter guy that's just a fun guy gets pulled pulled in again because it was sort of what is the comedy of this character it's really tough it has to be very dry and at least that was a discovery again going back to captain america winter soldier and and finding kind of the humor level with this was really interesting and then new so so straight man opposite these big weird somebody has to be the straight man and and i mean in the group of the thunderbolts it's just it's a little bit ridiculous because they're all psychos right so you are you're in the middle of the batman part two right you're shooting that right now yes kept the bald head matt reeves said stick with it he liked the look uh i i i i guess i mean i i suppose so past conversations we've had batman's come up i of course ask every actor about playing batman and you brought up with me and others uh like riddler was the character you wanted to play way back when did you have conversations like they obviously did paul dano in the last one did you ever get a chance to talk about playing riddler no no no no um because they did it the last one i'm saying for the last one like no no i didn't no no absolutely not no never i the the dc thing was honestly always sort of uh kind of like a joke in my mind i was like there's never there's no way that i'm ever going to end up because you're so identified with marvel yeah i mean in my head i just thought you know and and so it was kind of a wild opportunity but i i know i've um i've spoken about this before uh i said in toronto but matt had seen uh you know the really liked the film and my work in that and then and then so sort of like that inspired a conversation and and um and subsequently around the same time i was kind of poking the bear a bit over over there with jane's gun going i think we should figure something out i because i've just gotten more active about manifesting your own going out yeah yeah but it's it's um i know we were talking before we started yeah recording everything but it really is it's very it's one of the most challenging situations i've been involved in and i and i say that i mean i feel like it's hard to talk about it without it being uh sort of becoming some speculative thing from some corner but it's really um i think it's a very ambitious thing and i hope it lands right i i i have a lot of faith in it because i just i do feel like matt is truly like a a genius of our time and and one of the very few people that i think is so unique and so specific and and has been at this for three years i mean it's not an accident like he really really honed it you know he knows what he's doing and and so uh i'm just happy to be part of that vision because i i do feel like it's it's ambitious but i think it i just think it's going to be great i'm not obviously going to fish for who you're playing because there's a lot of conjecture about who you're playing right not all of it is right clearly because they're about three you know sorry i'm batman that's the twist it's got the voice who else obviously i mean where's rob but i mean right you're someone other than batman is it a challenging role like i mean is it a physically challenging role is it a mentally challenging role is it uncharted territory for you i i feel you know you named these films before we've been talking about these last couple years and and so i i don't know now anymore how to not get involved in something that's not challenging or real uh or real departure in a lot of ways and i and i would say that this is this that this is definitely for me feeling like something very different than i've gotten to do and that's what i love and and i'm excited about um and um and and yeah i i you know i i think i think at the end of the day that's what it should be i i just i i just want to keep trying to do different things and at some point i'm going to face plant maybe this will be it you know but but um yeah so far so good so good i mean you must you kind of get addicted to kind of like this high wire act at a certain point right once you're kind of like doing the risky shit that sometimes works sometimes doesn't it's like why go backwards and play it safe like it's working for you and collect all the cool filmmakers you can right now while they're taking your calls like do it um yeah i yeah i i don't when else you you only have one shot in life and and and you should jump off a cliff because what else is the point of of of being careful about it i mean i i don't think this is a business to be careful in i i i don't and and and the more that i feel sort of the the response being trying to put you in a box the more i see how people react to things i do you know and and they get all up in arms that i'm not following whatever little road they have carved out for for me in their minds or whatever the more i want to go the other way and i love that and and so like i i i'm i'm down i but i'm also at a point where i go maybe i should maybe i should do a romantic comment or something well that would be a zigzag that'd be a zag for you at this point so that in of itself is different yes um i expect being very busy with promoting shooting being a dad you're not watching much but are you watching anything like what's what's tv film anything you've seen i um i watched this movie i watched this movie that i thought it was incredible called blue heron oh i missed that good thing the other day yeah it's a it's a canadian filmmaker um and and and that was an incredible film i watched uh um um i weirdly i've been i went back to watch the last dance oh great michael jones and i've been wanting to watch the novak um tennis documentary i i don't know why i need certainly the sports stuff is sort of coming back for me because i i i think they're great examples of perseverance yeah and getting through um difficult kind of challenging times so i you know that you're a true crime guy too aren't you i feel like i've heard you say i do watch true crime yeah um i had something like feel guilty about it i uh you have to see prime time the you're by rob's film the chris hansen oh yeah i definitely want to see that that thing looks unbelievable and by the way some kind of heaven is such a the documentary that lands on it is so a great movie and i think it's a great movie and i think it's a great movie and i think it's a great yeah um dude i just saw his it was with homestock the uh yeah i mean that's insane yeah i do uh well that one apparently people are talking about there's a lot of um you know like i want to see la bola negra everyone's talking about that um i think the debut is loved it feels like a movie i would die to be in you know you will like you'll enjoy there's a lot uh i got some questions from your fans you're ready let's do these rapid fire okay uh let's see this is not really a rapid fire but let's see what we can do amy wants to know if your view on acting in the industry has evolved as you've grown and gained experience with it that's kind of we've been talking about this throughout but like would you say that you have a much different view on approaching acting the industry absolutely uh i i've i've gone from really trying very hard to get it right and and and be accepted and and and be hired to um to fucking cut my own path and yeah and and don't give a fuck about what everybody says and just and just just do what what you connect to and and find the thing that like sticks out or that's different you know so so in that regard i love it emily this is uh just as important what's your hair care routine my hair care routine yeah well listen you know um how much time do you have you know i guess i'm like plugging uh you know no pun you know no pun intended i'm i'm plugging a lot of things i'm plugging a lot of things i'm plugging a lot of things in a neutrophil i think i've been taking some neutrophil you know i'm just i i like i was thinking the other day i'm like it's gonna be so long since since i've seen my own hair like i i'm i'm totally 100 believing it's gonna come in like white by the time bart and sarah's got like by the time it grows back it's gonna be like totally a different color oh my god uh if it grows back properly but um just three patches of white like my hair routine yeah your hair routine i don't i honestly i'm not that good at about it like to be honest i i uh i think i try to take cold showers because i heard it's really good also for your scalp so i do that cold what about the cold plunge and the cold plunges are great you should definitely do them okay not after lifting though okay i'll try to want sauna for that okay um mariana wants to know she says that you've been learning spanish i don't know what her intel is on this what's your favorite word or phrase in the language dulce and that is sweet um and um i also like this saying in todo caso that is it's basically in either way you know no matter what um but and also que sera que sera which is whatever will be will be but but i have been learning spanish for a new film that i'm that we're doing next year yeah do we know about this what do we got it's called impunity and it's about uh uh former dictator pinochet's uh arrest in london in the 90s so it's a comedy um who's do i know the filmmaker felipe galvez is his name and he did a movie called the settlers that was um at a certain regard in in can a couple years ago in 2023 and it just was blew me away so um again a different different challenge and you know it's so much harder to learn languages later on so it's yeah how's that going trying it's good it's good it's close to romanian so it's okay okay um et's illegitimate child that's quite a handle wants to know do you snore i i've been told i have been told yeah um daphne wants to know is there a ritual habit routine that you bring with you to every project like what's the thing that stayed consistent is there like a superstition or approach day one uh i i don't know because each thing ends up kind of developing its own kind of routine um so i i but i i definitely feel now before um i i like before it's in the prep before we start shooting um you know i have to kind of lock myself in a room for like six hours a day kind of thing and just dredge it all up do whatever yeah it's it's sort of this weird incubation process or something i don't know of of sensory and and and that's where all the ideas come and the the stuff that's not that great fizzles out and maybe something but yeah that this is an important one jenny is asking the most important question that i want to know because we talked about this last time are we getting any closer to a sebastian stan chris evans stage collaboration remember we tried to manifest i know and you asked him about it i did yeah you did i i think we are i think we are i think it's the plow you wanted to talk about it i think it's going to happen i think it's going to happen at some point it's just about timing and everything but okay yeah um are there you almost worked with brady corbett once upon a time or what's the is he on high on the list like 100 yeah i was just the list right now oh my god i was just uh checking up on him uh you know uh and seeing how he's doing sounds like he's shooting an epic yeah fast benders in it i think yeah so uh but he yeah he's i mean he's incredible and there's also a little bit of a story with him only because i remember kind of going to auditions and seeing him early on like we sort of were when he was acting yeah when he was acting really early on and then you know he was in my class the 2024 class and so we we uh you know we i feel like this weird kinship of having gone through through that process with him in a way and it was just so crazy and and something happens there where you when you've kind of gone through with those people right you know you um so he's a favorite but you're asking me like who else kind of thing generally right now who's the who are in this age of manifestation for you who are you trying to get i'm always i'm always um i'm always like loosely chasing coralie farge okay oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh i really i'm substance right do i have that right yeah from substance um obviously ollie is remains someone i definitely want to work with aaron schimberg i also call all the time and i go aaron it's time for folks that haven't seen a different man we have to start again i so i it's interesting because some of these people that i've worked with i think you want to go back to them because sure um that's there's a lot of you ever had the nolan meeting have you ever had the i've never had the nolan me i mean who wouldn't yeah want to get a call from from him uh there's a gazillion people out there i uh now i'm like you're like this is my shot and i'm blowing it but but to but to be honest with you i actually really debated writing like jesse eisenberg and just going hey man listen i just i don't know what you're you know what you're doing and i'm like i'm just like i'm just like if you're ever keeping me in mind if you're doing whatever you're doing like keep me in mind because i'm you're down for whatever he's doing yeah i'm sure he'll do the podcast this season i'm going to help you out buddy he's amazing i'm he he's amazing and i and i again someone i met really early on was just starting out you know no the new movie's great him and um julianne giamatti you're gonna love it okay we're gonna do this this is something we've done in recent months with people with amazing filmographies that have enough to justify this we're gonna anoint your best movie of all time sebastian bracket style oh wow so i'm gonna pit some against each other this is just right now in the moment today right obviously it could change tomorrow but if you're choosing the best sebastian stan movie i tanya versus a different man i know oh my god that's so hard just just today just if i was choosing it's like i know sophie's choice i feel like those movies are i i i uh i i i i i mean today right now well i think maybe i would go with a different man because um because i was just so much more evolved in terms of where i was at when that film was being made fresh versus thunderbolts fresh i mean yeah 100 okay winter soldier versus the apprentice that's a class that's the toughest one that's just that's so insane because in my head there isn't one without the apprentice out the other like it's just it's it's there um i i i can't i i that's such a i hate you for asking me that um today it's this tomorrow it's the other what today well yeah i mean i guess today will be the it will it would be the apprentice yeah yeah and then most importantly the covenant versus hot tub time machine i'll go with i'll go with the covenant because it's it's always going to be there no matter what now we're getting to the towards the end a different man versus fresh a different man okay apprentice versus the covenant no one has ever done that apprentice now for all the marble sebastian a different man versus the apprentice the greatest sebastian stan film of all time is i i think i think uh i think i'll have to go with a different man because uh yes it's uh you know uh not not to knock anything about real people Um, as I, as I find it, you know, and hold it just as much as in a regard, but I just think a different man is, was one of the most original things I'd ever read or come across. And I, and there's still, in terms of originality, I, I, some, something still has to beat that. I love it. Okay. I'm going to let you go on this. You've done most of the profoundly random questions before, so we don't need to rehash all, but you're still a dog guy over cats, dogs. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Dogs collecting. Last time it was books. Anything new you're collecting? Um, uh, yeah, no, it is books. It's probably still working. Yeah. I don't think I asked you what your favorite video game of all time is. Oh, I loved, uh, Warcraft two. Uh, I was very big in Warcraft two. Yeah. I could see that. You got to lizard. Yeah. Entertainment. Yeah. When it, when it was the original, I mean, back in 2000, uh, no, 1997, 98. And then Starcraft. I got into a bit too. Are you going to, are you going to do the GTA six? Everybody's talking about Grand Theft Auto this season. It's going to make a gajillion dollars. Here's what happened. I, I, when high school ended for me, I just, for some reason, like I didn't follow through. So I know of Grand Theft Auto, but I didn't see, I don't know it very well. Uh, current wallpaper on your phone. Uh, it's my, it's my kid. This is the appropriate answer. Uh, last actor you were mistaken for. Uh, um, very good question. Um, Oh God, I, I, I can't, it would, I, I, I don't know. I don't, it's been a while since I've been mistaken. That's a good sign. That means you made it. It's the, forget the Oscar nomination. That sure. That's important. But the fact that no one's confuses you with anybody. Yeah. There are some funny instances, but I can't remember. I can't come off the top of my head right now. We'll save it for the fifth time on the podcast. I know. I'll have to come back. You have to come back for the hat. If nothing else, it's a pleasure, man. It's always a pleasure for me. Thank you for watching the movie. No, I'm happy to support it. Honestly, this is one of the best I've seen in quite a while. Fjord is the film. Um, you Renata, Christian Munju. It's, it's engrossing. It is provocative. It is, it's a thinker. It's one that you can talk about in the best possible way. So we still need those a little bit here and there. Yeah, definitely. Um, you're always welcome, man. I appreciate you always. We did it. Thank you, my friend. I'll see you. And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh. Do you love Disney? Do you love Top Ten List? Then you're going to love our podcast, Disney Countdown. Hi, I'm Megan, the Magical Millennial. And Biscuits. I'm Jeremy, a.k.a. Jarendell. And we are the hosts of the hit Disney podcast, Disney Countdown. 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