Scott Eastwood

Welcome welcome welcome to armchair expert. I'm deck shepherd and I'm joined by Monica Padman. Hi. Hi Uh, we have a handsome actor alert big time hands. I love handsome actors. Scott Eastwood. Oh, is he handsome? Scott Eastwood is an actor. Oh, and he hates being I'm I forgot the lesson. I learned in the interview He doesn't like being close to him. No one does too. And I already knew that he called handsome Just what do you do with that? Anyways, I know what I would do with it. Uh his credits include the longest ride regretting you wrath of man Grand Trino fury and his new movie out now lucky strike. Please enjoy Scott Eastwood We haven't met before. I mean, no, no, Monica. I remember meeting a man as handsome as you I would see your end of it. How are you guys doing? Just fresh from the dentist. Oh My teeth were jagged at the bottom. I didn't really even think about it, but my man pointed it out He's like, you know, I could make that smooth. I was like, yeah, I felt like I got upsold a little bit. Do you grind? Is that why I mean truthfully? I think when I've been in fights I bite my fucking front of my teeth. There's a few vents in my life where I'll bite the front of my teeth And I think I just chipped off the ends. You know, they say if you're grinding and you're not sleeping during the full moons You probably have some sort of parasite like Walk me through that way if you're not sleeping during a full moon And you grind your teeth. Yep. Why are the parasites responding to the full moon? You know, I don't know, but I do know that that's a thing and they've been talking about it since the dawn of time Real name Americans have had that they've known about that every sort of ancient culture has been talking about Parasitic stuff during the full moon. Oh wow. Yeah, I think we chalk up a lot now to like oh, that's woo woo Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's a thing. It sounds adjacent to astrology for sure. It's definitely But then you talk to like doctors who you know are pretty intelligent They're like yeah, if you're grinding and you have trouble sleeping during a full moon like check your gut Have you had a parasite? I have there we go. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, it feels personal Yeah, it is it is it's probably still ongoing. I've had H. Pylory multiple times. It's called H. Pylory H. Pylory And tell me about H. Pylory H. Pylory is a bacteria in your gut. Okay, a lot of people have it They say one and four people have it okay Then I've also had like some sort of version of worms. Okay. Yeah from traveling traveling Do you know where you got the harms? I don't know where I got it. No, how did you figure that out? I've struggled with gut issues. Okay the years. I mean because of all the traveling when I was you know much younger I was traveling all the time for surfing. Okay, so I would go to like Indonesia as a hobby or you were like competing no as hobby from one age I started surfing when I was like 10 11. Oh, you're in Hawaii at that point, right? You're in two areas that you could have really You're gonna pick up some bacteria in those waters We just interviewed someone. Yes Oh, who was in Bolly yeah on a trip. They got some kind of not an official to her guide and this gentleman was like Let me take you ladies to this incredible And you know about the such and such and it's all these natural water slides They'd have eroded out of the volcanic was it very cool sounding and then pools of water And it's great. So they do this they have a great time. She had also had an incredible sunburn So she missed the rash phase most people would have recognized they got a crazy rash right afterwards But she didn't because of all this sunburn, yeah, and then what was it like five like six years later six years later Staff it had been known it was something kind of brand of mommy parasite that had just been in there Yeah, it had gotten like really debilitating she couldn't move as in they fear totally fatigued Yeah, yeah, no energy and then they're like oh, yeah, you've had this thing for six years. Oh wow What actually got you to go to a doctor going suck? It's something's fucked up Yeah, my first irregular I know okay sure sure some issues about all yeah some evacuations And then you think you're okay, and then all of a sudden you're like I'm not maybe I'm not okay. Yeah Oh, so what does one do if they have that? You got to get on a antibiotic protocol. Oh you do you go? Yeah, I think you had to take like three antibiotics All at the same time for like a couple weeks. That's a lot I'm hopeful because I was on a pick line for like four months You know antibiotics where you got to shoot it in your body like three times a day or twice a day what from oh man Motorcycle accident that then I got a bunch of metal put in and then that metal was infected Then I got a bicycle accident which broke all the metal and then they went in there to fix that they discovered this huge infection So I had to yeah do that for months shooting it in and I'd like to think that although it also killed that It would have killed something like that as well because I was just carpet bombing my body for months I mean a lot of people still try to take turpentine For things like that they'll drink it. It's medicine from the 1800s Yeah, it might work, but I also might kill you also strips pain. I mean that's the primary use of turpentine. Yeah Yeah, okay, so I want to start with an assumption and a disclaimer which is if I were you I would fucking hate talking about my damn Or I'd just be so sick of it. Yeah, like I know I'm gonna get asked it doesn't upset me at all No, I mean, you know, I think more than anything If I get upset about something it's the lack of thoughtfulness and a question In an interview you've experienced that. We're like Have you done any research? Are you a thoughtful interviewer or intention you get the sense? Oh, they're just trying to trap me into really bad sound bite. I'm gonna regret exactly. Yeah, I don't want to trap anyone I don't want any clickbait. Yeah, you're 40 now, right? Yeah, but there's been waves of it where also it's like shut the fuck up about my And then other periods where you're like oh, yeah, I'm older now, and I don't really. Yeah, you kind of Reach a tipping point where you're like, why do I care about that? I'm comfortable just being me now. Yeah Whatever, okay, so let's start though. Your mom is Jacqueline. Yeah, you're born in Carmel by the sea. I was Beautiful. Yes, I have gorgeous. Can you have awareness when you're young and you're born somewhere that it's Significantly prettier than everywhere else. I mean, it's just what it is there, right? I think yeah that comes with Some age and perspective leaving like anything. I thought it was quite small and I wanted more. It is tiny, right? It is what's connected to the larger Bay area right you could be in Santa Cruz in 30 minutes and then from Santa Cruz into San Francisco or San Jose, but when you're there, you're there. I mean, it's like kind of yeah, it's a couple roads on an island a little bit Or a peninsula, I guess. What were the kids in the parents? Like what do people do there? It feels very like you're there to retire I don't know what the industry is there like was it mostly like wealthy families and that kind of thing as much as well I mean, there's middle and lower class for sure a seaside and Marina and Salinas has got a lot of lower socioeconomic demographic So it all sort of blends then the closer to the coast you get the more upper class But you know people do the same thing. I mean, they they look to find ways to get into trouble and sneak out and go drink and high school and Do things you're not supposed to do? Yeah, yeah, were you there zero to 10 then 14 to 18? Is that what it was? Yeah, was there I think zero to eight then my mom and I lived in Hawaii and my sister she into dogs That's not the one that's in the dogs. Okay, this person's like I think I know his sister through our dogs Yeah, that's Allison. She's a big dog rescue in Malibu Okay, and then you have back to Hawaii for eight or so years and then back to Carmel for sort of the second half high school. Okay, so Jacqueline was a flight attendant. She was with what airline She's gonna kill me cuz I'll miss say this, but it's Hughes Air West which then became maybe TWA. I think in northwest. I think they And did your parents meet on a flight? No Damn man, because you've had the fantasy. I have you're chatting with the attendant They're attractive and you're like, oh, could this be a romance? Yeah, good. We have like a night in Paris when we land. Yeah, I think you're thinking more of like 50s flight. Yeah, panning. Yeah Right now it's like not so much the fantasy. It's like get out of the way move Get off the plane. Yeah, put your shit in front of your feet. Don't put it in the overhead exactly How long was she doing it? She did for 14 or 15 years. Okay, so a full career. Yeah, she had a career So how'd they meet? They were both living in Monterey and I just I think mutual friends. Where's she from originally? She's from Washington State. What kind of gale is she? Simple now she walks and collects shells on the beach daily still single. She raised two kids after her career You know, she was a mother and she did some interior design sort of on the side. What took you guys to Hawaii? She taught tennis there when she was In her early 20s and she always loved it and then my dad and her split and she said I'm going back to Hawaii Did they had an amicable? Yeah, they're great friends. Oh lovely and what island are you on? Kauai for a few years then the big island she moved to the big island because the school system on Kauai isn't very good The school systems in general and Hawaii aren't some of the vast and there's a good school That she moved to for us in middle school in high school and were you going to a public school there? I was and then a private school and then a public school How did it work out being a holly because I've had some real dicey experiences down in Hawaii. Yeah - Yeah, that's a thing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's still a thing. - I'll give you an example. I was sitting in Pia in Maui, and I'm talking to this skinny white dude that works at this Pia organic pizza place. It's great. And he like grew up there. I'm like, how'd you do this skinny white dude on this island? - And he's like, oh man, you need a niche. I happen to be really tiny. So I would go pig hunting with the dudes. 'Cause I was tiny as I could get into stab the bore once they had it down. - Yep. - He's like, so I had a role, but you really need a role. - You need a role. He's not wrong. - Was it intimidating when you got there? - Yeah, I know. I mean, nobody liked me. Luckily, my mom, I think she really pushed. I had to be in sports. So she put me in football. So early age, I was doing pop Warner. - Perfect. - You've got built-in friends. - Exactly. - Exactly. - Well, yeah. At the beginning, built-in, you're one of two white kids on the team. Why are you here? Beat it, Howley. - Uh-huh. - Yeah. - But then I think as time progressed and they saw, oh, cool, he's willing to put the work in and take some hits, you become part of the pack. So that's good. And did you find your way into the pack? - Yeah. - Then you go and play another school. They might be like, beat it, Howley. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So it's always touch and go in Hawaii. - Did you get your ass kicked? - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah. From an early age, getting into lots of fist fights, you had to learn how to defend yourselves or how to kind of navigate the waters and be like, okay, either I'm gonna get in a fight right now or I'm gonna figure out how to defuse this. - Yeah. - Most of the time I was getting in a fight, but then I think you start to earn your stripes and then it is like anywhere. - It seems scary. - It still is. - The surfing culture in Hawaii, it's still very protected. - Yeah, yeah. - It's like a resource, right? Waves are a resource and there is a respect and pecking order that you have to respect. And that's part of the whole thing. And White Howley guys are at the bottom of the totem pole. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Unless you're, could we interview the big surfer? - Oh, Kelly's later. - Kelly's later. - Kelly's later. - I think even Kelly, he's not, you know, in Hawaii? - They don't care about the champion. - Oh, I actually probably want to kick his ass if he steps out of that. - Absolutely. - Absolutely. - I've heard epic stories of dudes getting like literally punched on their surfboard like on a wave. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thing. - Yeah. - And what about girls? Did you have girlfriends? Could you have romances? - Yeah, that's also, again, on an island. Could be a resource. - Yeah, if you, you know, take interest to the wrong girl. - Yeah. - Oh, that's nice. - You heard of the flies. (laughing) - It makes me think of, have you ever seen Officer in a gentleman? - Of course. - And they kind of tell the backstory of why Richard Gears such a badass, I think. And it's like he was a little boy in Thailand or Vietnam during the thing. And he's just getting his ass kicked by all the local kids. And then, you know, he said to raise up. It sounds a little bit like that. - It's a little bit like that. - So what grade did you leave there? - I left when I got in trouble. I got in some trouble. - What kind of trouble did you get in? - I like to think it was my first entrepreneurial experience, selling pot. - Oh, great. - Sure. - Where were you getting it? We rated a pot farm. - Great, you stole a ton of it. - You stole a ton of it. - Perfect. - I mean, you weren't gonna buy it. - No, no. - He tried wire. - Exactly. - Yeah, so we did a little boo-boo. How many of you? - There was, I think, five or six of us that hatched this plan in the night, under Moonlight, gonna steal the pot, stole the pot, took it down to the beach, dried it out, and then we divvied it up, and then we were gonna make some know. - And when you get to move it on the beach or in school? - No, it's school. - That's school, sure. - Yeah, for sure, yeah. Don't be seizing other things, right? And then I don't remember somewhere along the line. Someone got pinched and then they were all ratted. - Yeah, they were all ratted. - And they were all ratted. - Yeah, rats, right? - That's why eighth rate is not make great criminals, 'cause they were all pretty easy. - They were all pretty easy. - And were police involved? - No, they didn't really have any actual evidence, but they still kicked us out of school. I think there was enough people. I denied that. - Oh, I don't know, still, you didn't do it. - And so were you sent out a live with dad or did mom go with you? - I went to go live with my dad. - It sounds like you were, were you living a pretty modest life in Hawaii? - Yeah. - I mean, comfortable, but we didn't live lavish. - I guess I'm wondering if I knew my dad was your dad, and I was like, where's the golf cart? Like, why don't I have a golf cart? - Yeah, why don't I live in out the toy? - Well, my dad's not like that. Even if when it was living with him or at all, he's not a material guy. He comes from a very different generation. I mean, you gotta remember, he was born in 1930. - Yeah. - So, he saw the real lows of the Great Depression, and that stuck with him forever. He's still to this day, it would be telling you to turn off the light if you left the house. Like, why the hell didn't you turn off the light? - Yeah, dad's love to tell you to turn off the lights. - They do. - I do too. I'll go waste a ton of money in one domain, and then I'll be like, I've got lights on. - It's so crazy. - I mean, it's like primitive. There's something going on. - It is. - I was like, put the fire out, and there's something weird is going on in the house. But I care more than I showed about it. - It's just weird frugality in just this one area. - That's pretty insignificant in your total nut. Is that like you're gonna move the needle if you really tighten up your electricity bill, especially now with LEDs right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, what a rip. - Yeah. - Sometimes I'll just leave them on just to spite that. - Me too. - I really will. I'll just be like, gonna turn the light off. Like, you know what, I can leave it on. I get to make this decision now for me, myself. - How was it when you dropped back in to Carmel going into high school? You know, you jump into a new high school. That's always a little walkie. Are you gonna be the one who's gonna get picked on? And that actually did happen. I think one of the first months or two of high school, a guy, a bully, singled me out. 'Cause I was the new kid. I didn't want to fight 'cause I was like, I'm a new kid at the school. Why are you picking on me? One day after school, I said, enough's enough. Let's go. And so then we went down to the place where everyone fights. It was like a big field. - Okay, great. - I remember it actually vividly because he's now one of my best friends, but he had an old camcorder. And he was gonna film the fight. - Oh wow. - Yeah. - There could be nothing more awkward than you're going to fight a kid. For us, it was the Melford cinema. That's where we all went. And he's like, yeah, just give me five. I gotta set up my tripod. - My camera corner. - Let me just block this really quick. - Do you think we're gonna fight over there? Or yeah, I'm just trying to figure out why my friend should make up. - So he set up his camcorder. - No, I'm not a friend. - He had it in his hands. - Oh, oh, oh, oh. - Yeah, I remember all the kids. - We're parking. - Oh, not the running down. - Not the bully, right? Just another friend. - No, just another friend. - Yeah, okay. - Now he's my best friend. - You thought I'm fooling. - I thought the bully was like, yeah. - Filming and punching. - Well, no, no, I thought he's like, making his tape. So he thought he was set up on a tripod, then kick ass, and then watch it at home and love it. You can see that as an incentive, right? - This is just another friend. - So does the tape exist? - It probably does, but we have no idea where it is. - Yeah. - How did that fight go? - It went pretty good for me. - Oh, good, good, good, good. - Oh, I would have had to get that tape. I didn't want to fight because I had been in a lot of fights. Pre-you that. And I was like, I don't need to do that. Start this school out like where he did that? - Where he did that? Why can't I just, okay, to my mom's cut. She put me in martial arts very early. Did a lot of Taekwondo and boxing. I had a really good foundation for fighting, especially after being in all these fights with kids in Hawaii. So it was good because actually now that I think about it, I did get a lot of fights with different schools. That was the only fight I was in, and I think in that school. But then Carmel High would fight Monterey High. And it was like this rivalry because we had a football rivalry. - So there would be like the outside fights. - Yeah, wonderful. - Yeah. - It rumbles. - Oh, time to be like, I know, what are we doing? What is champs? - Well, like this champs big, should I try it? - Oh. - I don't know why we have that. It doesn't end too, right? It's like a fight for resources, right? - Yeah. - It's so interesting. - Who's cool, who's gonna get the girl? - Yeah, all the dudes got to hear is like one girl going like, oh yeah, it's dad's butt. And then he's off to the races. - Yeah. (laughs loudly) - I guess when I think my conclusion is, it's not as fun as I thought it might be. It's just of anything, you know, just 'cause your dad has done something great, doesn't mean you've done anything great. It doesn't mean, you know, either you're a good dude and you're cool or you're not. That takes you a lot farther than whether your dad was cool or not in life. Did you get to be on sets a lot as a kid? - I did. Summers, we would go and I remember getting to go and see him in Houston working on the space movie. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Cowboys, space cowboys. - Space cowboys, exactly. - We got it, yep. - Wait, it was him and Tommy Lee Jones. - Tommy Lee Jones, Donald Sutherland and James Gardner, who was great. I got to meet him and get to know these legends. - Your dad presents, of course, is very alpha but is that his vibe in real life? - I mean, I'll cut to the chase. I'm curious how he dealt with Tommy Lee Jones who are here is really, really hard. - I'm just wondering if he had the like, alphaness to keep him. I think it really has got a lot of respect for him. So I don't think people try to, they don't act up around him. - Yeah. - You know, he's very calm and even keel and it doesn't raise his voice ever. I mean, he would with me. (laughing) - But as he should, it's what dads do. - I heard a legendary story. I'm sort of going to paraphrase it and I'll probably tell it a little wrong, but Kevin Costner, sort of going through maybe the Kevin Costner rise to fame and maybe got a big ego. - Sure, sure. - But they were doing perfect world and they're both starring in this movie. My dad is directing it. Apparently Kevin wouldn't come out of his trailer for some reason and my dad doesn't do trailers and things. He's like, just beyond set. Stay on, he always told me too as a kid. You want to learn how to make movies. You want to learn how to do this. You stay here with everybody else and you make the damn movie. - Yeah. Yeah, apparently he didn't want to come out his trail over his own reason. He might have been entertaining. He might have. He also got to have been ongoing. Number two, he could have been a regular, he could have had a parasite. He could have had a parasite. We don't know. That's true. But I think his reputation is he's hard on directors. This holds. So he just said, well, send him home then. And everyone said, what do you mean? Well, he's in the scene, send him home. So he sent him home. And I guess they just went to Kevin's. I think you're going to go home. But the day you don't need him, he said, what do you mean? I'm in the scene. Well, I guess you're not anymore. Oh boy. The train left the station, couldn't change that. And so, you know, that's the pecking order. And so I think the next day he was on set, ready to go. You did also infamously does like half a take, right? This is the, I've had friends who have done his movies. I've even heard stories where it's like they're doing like kind of a rehearsal. And they're going to do a pyro rehearsal and they shoot them. He's like, okay, next thing. We got it. So yeah, you're not out on set. Like he's moving quick. He's moving quick and you better come ready to work. You better know your shit. Yeah. And actually, I think you know, I mean, you both are performers and done this a ton. Sometimes if that's done right, and the space is held correctly, it's all respected. And everyone's quiet and you're rehearsing. Sometimes the best stuff just comes. Absolutely. If you're able to do that, he would always tell me this trick. You would just go to the cinematographer, just run and you wouldn't tell anybody. Everyone's comfortable. They're not thinking about anything. They're nervous. Yeah, that's the move. Yeah, it is. Did you have the interest in acting as a kid? You know what movie I would say really made an impression on me was endless summer. And I don't know if you've ever seen it 40 years ago. Okay. So it's Bruce Brown making one of the most iconic surf films of all time. It's more than just a surf film, though. It's a movie about traveling the world and about travelers that happen to be surfers, but experiencing all this culture. And the premise is they just chase the summer. They chase the summer. So cool. Yeah, it's bigger than surfing that concept. It is. They just happen to be doing surfing along the way, which is a beautiful sport. It's in nature, but they go to all these continents and they travel the world. And you get all this like spice of culture and this life. And I always thought that's my dream to chase summer around the world. Yeah. I don't know if it happened to be like be a surfer, but it was experience. Oh, yeah, it was experience. Yeah. How do I stay in summer all the time? I love that. Yeah, or whatever summer represents at all time. Yeah. So you go to Loyola. They ended up in Loyola. I bounced around. I did Santa Barbara City College. Me too. Oh, no way. Yes. One of your Santa Barbara City College. Beautiful campus for a city college. Amazing. Yeah, you're in that little bluff looking out of the ocean. I remember I got a microwave burrito on my first day there and I was sitting on the grass and I'm from Detroit and went, get out of here. This is a fucking good. This is a college. Yeah. This is a community college. I know. Okay, so you started there. Did you live downtown or in IV? No, I lived on the mesa in a little apartment there. I remember it was $12 a unit or something, you know? Oh, yeah, for school. For school and you could enroll for, I don't know, some box. Yeah. Yeah. I worked as a bar back at the brew house. I don't know if you ever went down to the brew house in the state street. No, not on the state street. That's Santa Barbara brewing company. Okay. I think it's still there, actually. It's down by where the Spirit Rhino and the area and a couple of friends that worked there. Yeah. I love it. There's train tracks right there. I lived on bath right behind that. Oh, yeah. I bar back there. I had a bike motorcycle. Motorcycle? No. No, no, no. Sick bicycle. Yeah. Didn't everyone have bikes there? That's like a thing. It's a bike car. Yeah. And also my dad wouldn't buy me a car. Yeah. This is what you had. Because I made that pitch. And that didn't go over. This is a fucking hysterical. What is? If you're fucking dad is Clint Eastwood. He doesn't buy you a car. No, I like that. Yeah. I know you like it, but I wouldn't be furious. Well. I think at the time I was. Yeah. At the time I was. Like, come on, dude. You won't even notice this. Yeah. You can't even find this withdrawal from your account. But that's not the rationale. It's not like, I can't afford it. And then you'd be like, well, that's bullshit. But he'd just be like, no, you don't deserve a car. Well, that was my switch. I bought a car. Couldn't afford it. But I wasn't resentful because my mom wasn't loaded. But if my mom was loaded, I think I would have been pissed. But you're not just like automatically entitled to a car. Exactly. Exactly. And whatever. Probably for the best. Probably for a lot of reasons. One, the value of money and what that is. And like learning respect for that and like your job. But also probably giving a kid a car at 18, 19. What do you do? You're drinking and driving and doing some stupid. Exactly. He might have been worried that you are going to get in trouble with anything like that. Yeah. And I think probably the value of time and money. I think that's like the principal lesson that he wanted me to know. This doesn't grow in trees and you better go on and earn it. How many nights a week as a bar back? Were you making love to strangers? Several of the nights a week? I think four nights a week. You're boring. You need to run. I rush. Yeah. Rest days. You're like kind of all my fantasies. I have like, I'm just imagining being as a good-looking as you and saying a barber as a barber. You are projecting a lot of fantasy on it. I know. I know. I know. But yeah. I'm like, oh my god. You needed a two-seater bike. You needed a tandem bike. What if you took the girl out for the bar? And she's like, why do you drive a tandem bike? Yeah. Because I generally have passengers, girl. Are you riding? Stay tuned for more armchair expert. If you dare, we are supported by all state. Checking all state first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking that your keys are actually in your hand before you close the car door. 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And this guy I had known from growing up, he was in Hawaii growing up and he'd gone out many years prior. He was like six years older. And he'd gone to college in Santa Barbara. And he was there bar backing. And I was like, hey, you're working here. I was like, didn't you go to college here? And like, why are you still working? This is bar back. And I was like, thinking, oh man, I better get my shit together. That's going to be me, right? That's going to be me if I don't start working on my career now while I'm in college. So I packed up after a year and a half or something at Santa Barbara and I moved L.A. And I was like, I got to get this going while I'm in college and do both things in parallel. Meaning acting in college? Yeah, just acting. I mean, I didn't know exactly if acting was going to be the thing I was going to do. But at that moment, I was like, I want to give it a shot. Yeah, yeah. And see if I can become an actor and make it and support myself. Not that anything is wrong with being perfect. No. Just I wanted more. Yes. In fact, there's a lot that's right with being a bar back. I almost even think you might get to our station and life and go, oh, right. No, it was never better than being perfect. Yeah, it was simpler. I didn't have all these status concerns. Yep. And that was pretty groovy. Like when your parents tell you, these are the best years of your life. Yeah, exactly. Enjoy it. Yeah. You don't listen. You can't listen. Yeah. How was Leola? Yeah, it was cool. I went to Santa Monica after that. Santa Monica City College. Me too. There you go. You're guys. Santa Barbara. Yeah. I couldn't get into a four year. So that's why I went to Santa Monica. Not as pretty of a campus. Not as pretty. Not as good as Santa Barbara. Yeah. That's cool. And then I actually applied a couple times. I might have been rejected twice. I can't remember. I know it was rejected once to get into that school. And so then I had to wait another semester or another year, whatever it was. And then apply again. Try to get in. And then I finally got in. I just really finished there. It was funny. By the time I had gone to Leola, Mary Mout. I had worked all over the world because I had been in City College. I don't know four years. A couple in Santa Barbara, a couple in Santa Monica. I had gotten acting jobs and I had been to Iceland. I had been to Europe and London and making movies. I had been all during Leola. I would get a job and ask my job. That was Valley Parking Cars at the time. Chase Crawford. He also Valley. He was a Valley. So jealous. Jeffrey. What was Greg? It was like outdoor. You know, and you're like moving and you're just printing. Yeah. He crashed a car. Did you crash any cars? I didn't crash any cars. Okay. Maybe Nick. Sorry. Nothing to worry about. I see. And so I would ask my job if I could leave, if they were cool with it. And then I'd have to ask the school if I could bob and weave and figure out how you could get my work done. But also go do this movie, which was like an opportunity. So by the time I got to Leola, I was more. What am I doing here? All these kids are freshmen and a dorm. They feel like I was like, I'm old and people are asking me to check in for class. And I go, I'm paying to be here. I don't need you asking me. I've got a real job. This is weird, but I got through it. I similarly, it took me like three or four years as well to go through this city college, get my associates transferred to UCLA, and yeah, when I got to UCLA, I was only like three years older than everyone or four, but I was like super into the groundlings, that was kind of my real life. And I remember, yeah, feeling very old on that campus. I also smoked and nobody smoked, and I'm like an old piece of shit at this place. - Yeah. - I don't remember feeling like. - You're like haggard. - I felt like a dirt bag. - Yeah, you were. - Looking at the sorority parties, like around like, "Why is everyone going?" Everyone's going, "You guys went to a football game." I mean, I just wasn't having that total college experience. - Yeah, I think similar. - And I was six, you did flags of our fathers, which would have been during that period. Did you go to Detroit for a grand trino? Did you shoot there? - I did. - How was your experience? - It was. - It was. - It was fine. (laughing) - It was fine. - It was good. - We stayed in a really, actually, you know, 'cause Detroit, but it's like really nice part, Birmingham, you're in a really bad part. So they kind of ride like a fine line. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But you were shooting in the exciting area? - The exciting, exciting, yeah. - Yeah, sure, sure. - Yeah, sure. Walk me through again. I know at that time, you're like 20-something years old, but-- - Yeah, I was kidding. - Initially, you were going by Scott Reeves. You're like, "I'm not doing the dad part." - I'm not gonna do it. - I don't know what I was thinking. Now I look back at it going, "I don't care." - You should've gone by my name. - It's fine, east to it, whatever. But I think I wanted to understand if I could make this work and do it on my own, and you wanna prove something to yourself, probably, of course, other probably people in town. And then you start working, and then you realize it's more about doing the work and living in a hotel room across the globe, and all this stuff doesn't really matter at the end of the day. It's like, "You gotta do the work." - Yeah. - Yeah, do you think it was motivated out of your fear of the public's perception of you being a nepotistic-- - Sure. - Baby or was it more motivated out of dad? Like, I'm gonna show dad. I'm gonna do this without any help. Maybe a little bit of both, maybe a mix. - Yeah. - But definitely, probably, like, on me, I'm gonna try to go do me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, your own person. Eastwood's also, it's not Smith. It's just so clear immediately, you know? - It's definitely not Smith. (laughing) - I've never had a friend with the last name Eastwood of you. - No, until now. - Yeah, until starting today, until now. - But I've heard you say that you're, like, ultimately quite happy when this way, but your day was a hard ass, right? - Who's tough? - On his sons. - Oh. - Sucker for his daughters. - Oh. - That's cute. - And would you resent your sisters at all? Like, God, is he got it made? - I think now, I'm like, what did you put me through? And look at that. What's going on here? - Yeah. - The balance of fairness is not mathing. - Yeah. - But, no, I love them all. - You're fine with it. - It's all for the best. - You do three movies in a row with your dad. That's also complicated, I would imagine. - Why don't you think it was probably in a row? - Definitely not. - You know, you start working in little things. There was probably a lot of credits that weren't, 'cause there were student movies and stuff that never saw the light of day. You start working, you start taking acting classes. You do improv classes, like the groundlings. You start auditioning like a madman. - I remember there were times, there were two or three auditions in a day. - This is way before the phone and the self-tax and stuff. - You had to drive around this city. Still with the Thomas guide. - I spent like 50 hours a week driving to commercial auditions, and I just never got one for like six years. And I'm like, my goodness, the hourly rate, when I finally booked the buyout for two grand, I'm like, I'm making one cent an hour. It's terrible. - Yeah, that's terrible. - There's so much PTSD driving around LA, 'cause you're like, oh, that's why I auditioned for that. They're always popping up. - And like you said, I mean, at a certain point you're like, okay, I'm gonna give this till 30. But if F30, this ain't working, I gotta find a new gig. - Yeah. Did you feel like you fit into the actor world in LA? Did you feel like an outsider? Did you feel immediately embraced? Never felt like I fit it. Still don't even fry. Love the act of storytelling. Whether it's acting or being a part of the creative process, love it. - Intellectualizing about it, having long talks about acting. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Not really for me. - Yeah. - And that doesn't mean like you don't have to put in the raps in the gym. - No, you gotta figure out what works for you, I think. But that doesn't mean that's interesting for you to hear about how I figure out how to be believable. - Yeah, my dad was never one to intellectualize about. He's like, just go tell the truth, man. Figure it out, come prepared, do the job. - Right. - There's other things outside of the industry that are interesting. - Yeah, he's unique in that he didn't live in LA. - Well, he did when he was quite young, but then he moved out 60 years ago. - As soon as he could, and I did the same. - Yeah, you live in San Diego? - I live in Texas, Austin, Texas. - Oh wow. - But I lived in San Diego for many years. I pretty much left after college. I didn't live here very long. I was like, the city's just too much for me. - And do you think you paid any price for that as far as like working? I mean, clearly not. You've worked consistently. I have debated this with people. I've talked about this at nauseam. I'm sure not being in the same rooms with creatives and being here. - All right, we are dinner and talk to this person. - Right, right, right. - You'd be great for this thing. You should look at, I'm sure there is. But the saying goes, if you cost you your peace, it's too expensive. And this place was costing me my peace. - Okay, fury. - Incredible experience. I want to hear about it. Oh, I made a movie with Pania. So I got to hear his whole version of that and then interview John, Brent Thal, and heard his take on Shia during that, which was really fun. We didn't talk to pit about fury, but what a fascinating life experience, yeah. - Who's the director? - David Air. - Did he want you guys to box? - He did. - We did that quite a bunch, I think, in the early days before we started filming. We wanted people to bond. We also wanted people to maybe feel the jungle monkey politics. - Uh-huh, uh-huh. - Having to box your co-star should be highly memorable. - Yeah, that's fair. - You don't know where he did, he did rounds. So everyone would box everyone. It looked, it was called boxing, but it was no punching in the face. - Right. - Okay, it wasn't really sparring, it was touch. - So when the boys would get intimate, exactly. And how did you do with Shia? Because John was like, at first, he's like, oh God, fuck this guy with the other fucking method. And I can't remember if he said it was like midway through. He's like, this guy's fucking crazy. There's just no way around. - That's a lot like the results are there. - Look, Shia is clearly tormented and maybe got some stuff going on. Certainly addiction. - Yeah. - And it was tough. There was sort of an incident that happened. I've talked about it. Brad Pitt sort of broke up a little intense moment. I didn't even know about it. - Well, he was very method from what I recall. He pulled that one of his teeth. - I think I heard that before we even started shooting. And I remember being in the, in the makeup face. - No, sorry, that was a different thing. He pulled out his tooth, but then he cut himself. Okay. And I remember thinking, okay, this guy's crazy. - Yeah. - I'm just gonna keep clear from this guy. I don't play this game. You go and do that, but there's plenty of ways to do a performance in a movie and be professional. - All right. - But one day, he was having an episode and thought that I shouldn't be spitting tobacco on the tank. - Okay. - Which was in the script. - Yeah. - Oh my god. - Dipper, dip, dip. - Yeah, but it wasn't real. - And then finally I just said enough. I said, hey, fuck you. Said, stop pulling your shit. I said, I'm gonna whip your ass. And then, you know, he got, you know. - He popped off. - And then everyone broke it up and. - Oh, wow. - David Airbus had been like, hmm. - He got a little bit. - The flowers are blooming. And he's planted the seeds. - Keep it rolling. - Get those cameras off. - He wanted a lot of tension. He likes that. - I could never do it. But I am fascinated with the idea of being the director who's like, Sven Golly and all these weird on-set dynamics. - You again, if I wish I. - Oh yeah. Or love him. One or the other. - Maybe both, but if he was talking to you. - Oh no, I don't have a lot of tolerance for. Yeah, I can just say it. Like, whatever your processes, fucking great. Handle that before you hear action. Handle that before we get called to set. I don't need to be in a 50 minute blocking rehearsal 'cause your character won't hold that pan. I've been in that situation. When you figure out whether your character can hold that pan, come give me. - Everybody's contributing. Everyone's doing a thing, but you can't stop the train. - Yeah. - It's a moving train. - Yeah, exactly. - And grow the fuck up. - Yeah. - You know, it's like just the director wants you to do so. If it's a little crazy, okay, then hey, maybe that's too far, but be a collaborative. You can do whatever performance you want to do, holding the pan or not holding the pan. - Yeah, exactly. - Well, how far into production was that little dust up? - Oh, it was probably midway. Everyone had moments with Shia that were, I think at one point, it's gonna come to blows or not. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's funny. The film industry attracts psychopaths because it's art, right? It's art and business and they kind of intersect. - Yeah. - And delusion and self-granger. - Yeah. - And you have a desire to be observed. - Yeah, so narcissism. - Yeah. - And like low grade narcissism, up to maximum narcissism. - Or just mentally ill too. - Yeah. - Mental illness. - True. - There is, and in fact, there's a handful of kind of legendary actors or it's like, yet the performances are so good. They're so emotionally available. And they're on hinge. I'm not shocked. Like, I can't. I can't do what certain actors can do. I've never even gotten there in real life, much less on command. - Exactly. And that's why they're so fascinating to watch. - Yeah. - So that's why some of the forgiveness for behavior, which I don't excuse, because when bad behavior is bad behavior, it's like this is a place of work. The crew got to go home. Everyone wants to be happy. People deserve to be respected. Doesn't matter if you're picking up a piece of trash or if you're saying the lines or if you're holding the camera, everybody has the same respect, decency. So it's like when you start infringing on that as a place of work, that's when it gets tough for me, because I'm like, beat it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know, no one's got tolerance for that. - Exactly. - But at the same time, when you see that performance and you're like, holy shit, that's magnetic. That's really interesting to watch. - Yeah. - It is a trick. - It is hard. Yeah, you can't really say hard and fast. It really comes down on how good is the person. I don't know, Sean Penn apparently is not a walk in the park. - Yeah, like I've all been in personly and so I've always had a nice thing with him personally, but I've never worked with him. I know he's probably quite intense. - I just happen to read this thing about the moment he got his Oscar and he said, look, I know I've made it really hard for you guys to like me. - Was it his own self-awareness? For him to do what he does, which I can't do, it's uncomfortable for him. And when people are uncomfortable, they don't act their best. - Yeah, a lot of insecurity too, right? - It comes with acting sometimes because people, they're so tormented and then they're so insecure about their performance or what they're doing. Then they overcompensate with this confidence or fake bravado and then it's an ugly sort of cycle because you're like, hey man, just be nice and cool. - Right. - Just be cool. - Let's just all just be nice. - It's a scary job. You could embarrass yourself every time they say action and that could be on a huge screen that everyone could watch. Let's all acknowledge, yeah, it's a very vulnerable embarrassing endeavor. How will we navigate it? Were you in love with Brad Pitt like I am? - Oh yeah, he's the best. Consumant pro, you're watching performances, you're lost, watching them while it's happening. You're like, oh fuck, I have a line coming up. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I'm just watching fucking the show. - It's so good. - You can't, it's unbelievable. And then he's the nicest guy on top of it and just a total pro, Brad's great. - Can I ask about your girlfriend? - Sure. - How long were you guys together? - Well, are you talking about my girlfriend passed away? - Yes. - We were together for three or four years. - This is one of the craziest ways I've ever heard someone's died. Is her airbag went off and it was defective? - Yeah, yeah, I had a recall on the airbag and what would have been a fender bender. Probably most people would survive. She was essentially shot by the airbag. - Oh my God, that's horrifying. - And so sad. - How are you juggling what I would imagine? For me, if I were you at 28, that sounds about right? You just finished Ferry. I was on another film set at the time. And as you know, being on a film set when someone passes or something happens, it's really tough. And this had happened before actually. I had lost Paul Walker on Ferry and he was one of my close friends. When you're on a film set, you don't have time to grieve because the show must go on. You might be shooting the happiest scene your character has an hour after you hear this. Yeah. So you can't fly home, you stuck, you've got to work. I got the call actually during a filming day. And I think I did a classic defense mechanism just punt that till the heart metal eyes, that till later. Yeah, that's gonna be miserable. And we're gonna do that at some point that's not today. Yeah, brutal having to deal with that and then not being able to go through that. I grieve later and that's not a great thing 'cause I think you do wanna grieve with the people that are around that you did know that we're part of their lives as well. Yeah. That's like an important part of the grieving process. I agree. It's kind of the sweetest, nicest part. And then you go to the funeral and you think that's gonna be miserable. It was like, now you see all these people that are dealing with the same thing, it can be weirdly beautiful if you get to do that part. Yeah, I never got to do it. I think I could part metalize it so much I couldn't go to the, I don't actually remember if I couldn't because of filming or if I just completely blacked it out but I had to process that grief later. That was tough. If I were you and I was in that situation, there'd be some interesting balance between having just done fury. I'm gonna say things are finally going great. And I would have been like, oh right. Yeah, I don't get to have anything great. I got the shoes gonna drop and here it is. Do you have the kind of shoes gonna always drop mentality? No, maybe with my parents a little bit because they're older and that's does scare me being on a film set and having to deal with that. You know, I don't think people talk enough. Like you know, you know, you could be in a hotel room across the globe. It's a lonely, right? It's not always, people see on the thing and they go, well, that's amazing. Oh my gosh, but it's months sometimes of living out of a hotel room and it's like that. And then you combine what happens in real life 'cause you can die and pass and you miss things. It's tough. Yeah, the thing that started getting to me about it was I felt like, well, A, it was so fun for a while. I just loved going out of town. I love the bubble. I love the anonymity. I love that I don't have to deal with any my problems for two months. Like that's all the upside. That's very attractive. But I kept feeling like, oh, I'm just hitting pause on my life all the time. It's like I'm taking these two and three month pauses where my real life can't really grow and exist and have roots and propel forward 'cause I've hit pause. Yeah, you're missing people's birthdays, weddings. You're missing kids' graduation from high school. You're missing all the things of life. So there is a toll you pay for doing that and having this fantasy pause thing. Yeah, yeah. But you do pay for it. Yeah, it's a very punctuated existence. And then there's like the slowdown, too, which I find can be, if you're not careful and you don't stay for me, I got to stay busy, I got to stay active, I got to stay moving and doing things, the heightness of being on set and everything's happening. Go, go, go, go, go. Currently, like you're pretending right now, you're getting ambushed by Nazis during the day. It's pretty heightened. We heightened in this movie. Oh, in this movie, yeah. Did you at all wrestle? Another thing that went up happened to me is if you took my girlfriend from me at three years, I might have idealized that and made that something that really kind of no one could compete with because it was taken and I don't know where it was gonna go. So I just think in the absence or when something's taken from you like that, did that mess with you at all? Yeah, I mean, losing somebody when you're that intimate with them and you think they're just an incredible person and you admire them and you share time with that person. It's always tough. I've lost a lot of people in my life. I lost a pretty good friend in my late late teens. I've just lost a lot of people. Maybe I've become better at accepting life and death because I've gone through it a few times. Yeah. I don't know if I answered that question. You did. When relationships don't run their natural course, that's confusing. It's confusing. I probably put a wallet. Or they end up because of a reason you would have picked what they had to end. They can become just a little abstract in your mind. Yeah, and we'll end up with this business. Yeah, and business business. Maybe a little delusion about it, I think as well. The mind's got like a very powerful way of remembering all the nice parts, all the nice parts. Yeah, you're kind of forgetting. If I died, my wife will forget. I clear my throat every nine minutes. In a year, she'll forget I did that. And she wants to kill you. I don't know. She hasn't. Yeah, but yeah. Or no, really what happens is she'll remember it and just be like, I miss it. I mean, that's what that's what will happen. I mean, she can bins herself. She liked the throat. Well, sometimes I do that when I'm around my parents and they're driving me nuts. I do say like, I'm going to miss this one day. Yeah. So it's like good to remind yourself in those moments. I don't know how you feel about ghosts or if you believe in them at all. I probably for years was like, that's not a thing. Yeah. But I got to go to a healer in Bali and have an experience, only summarized by it was an out of body experience with the people I have lost. Wow. And I would recommend her to anyone and everyone that is planning going there. You have to book her out because she's very in demand. But it is an incredible out of body experience. So I feel like I've gotten to see some of the people from my past experience, a joyful experience. Or is it more of a piece of mind experience? Like, oh, good. They're still floating around. Like, what is the takeaway? They both of those things. It's highly emotional. It's most clear headed, but also the most lucid you've ever been. It's hard to. Do you have any rooms and coke at the same time? Zero. No, no, I mean. Yeah, I know comparing. Oh, it's more powerful than any drug. Whoa. And there's no drugs involved. Zero drugs. Whoa. Zero drugs. And I feel always woo woo like telling people about it. But I'm like, people have to understand. People have to get to experience this because it's so beautiful. We're going to get you to go. Have you been to Bali? One time with my mom. Okay. I'd like to go as a grown up big boy as a girl. Can you see her dad? if you go. Oh, I would love that. I really would love that. If you want. I'll get. That's a that you said that I'm intrigued. Yeah. Yeah. I want to apologize. You get some peace and close. Are you conversing or it's like more maybe you came and put it. Yeah. You have to experience it. Experience it. Okay. Wow. That's incredible. That's incredible. I'm glad you got that. It's a great lesson for people listening right. That's like, say the thing you want to say. Pick up the phone. Tell me love them. Even if you're in a fight or pissed off, they can be around forever. And that might be a regret. Yeah. The math you don't do is like, I'm going to be living long after. And I will live with all those decisions. Yeah. Okay. This is just a full circle thing that I must acknowledge because I have been telling my daughters for seven years that the song Wild Streams is about me, then we interview Alexander Skarsgard and I found, my God, that song is actually about him. Really? Yeah. That's what that song is about. That's the lore. Did they date? Yes. They had a dust up. Like you and Shia. No. But it wasn't broken up. Yeah. Good. Sexy dust up. Yeah. She wrote a song about him. Yeah. Yeah. He's so tall and handsome as hell. I'm surprised when you did the video. She didn't like go hey, by the way, you're playing Alexander Skarsgard. So if you can be as tall as possible, stand up a little bit more. He's very highly of her. Yeah. Yeah. But anyways, what full circle. So I finally met who was actually about and now I'm meeting you who was in the video. In the video. Yeah. How do you know it wasn't about me? Well, exactly. It seems like the song predates the video. Okay. I could figure that out. Yeah. She could have been a romance and she wrote a song about you and then she cast you. Exactly. She did cast me. Are you in a break the news? Is this the moment? Is this the fire you want to play with them? It's almost the moment. Okay. You let us know you're ready. You recognize the stakes of that. Yeah. Well, that's the thing right. The stakes of even dating Taylor Swift is you could have a song written about it. That's right. And you could have the Swifties love or hate you forever until the end of time. That's right. And if you take a red scarf or something or whatever, the line is you are. Sorry. How did you get that? She just picked up the phone and called me. She did. She did. And did she say to you, oh, I saw you in blank. Well, first off, she called. I had no pre-warning. You know, a lot of times people are like, hey, somebody wants to call you and then they call you and they're like, okay, I'll take that call. She was like, hey, this is Taylor Swift. It's like no number. What? Okay. Wow. What a call to give it. I might need to FaceTime. Yeah. I was intrigued because of the creative behind the video. Mostly, too. She wanted to do like an out of Africa type thing, right? It was like this cinematic film, the music industry. They don't do that anymore. It's not the 90s and we don't have these big sort of videos. There's only a couple artists like Taylor Swift that you can do that are afford to make these sort of things. And then I remember telling my agents and none of them wanted me to, they were like, this is a bad idea. Do not do this. They're like, do not do a Taylor Swift music video. And I said, no, you know what? Don't agree. Think that she's cool and she has a really cool idea for this thing. And I said, I think it's a cool creative thing. Yeah. Let's do it. Good for you. That would have been a regret. Did you hang with her on sat and stuff? I did. And did you enjoy her company? She's amazing. Yeah. She's a monster man. I'm in awe of her. She's incredible. How much have you done? Two, three. I've been in two. Even in two. Furious. Is there another one coming? So they say. Wow. That would be fast 11, maybe fast 10 part dose. Okay. That 11. Wait, you didn't mean palm. No, I knew Paul since I was probably like when I was 18, 17, 18 surfing, surfing, jujitsu. We were just kind of brothers. He was like a mentor to me. He was like a big brother. He just was like a great mentor to me. In the business, in life, we would go surf the channel islands together a lot. We would go down to Mexico and surf. And then it was post when he died that I came in and did this thing for fast. So it was very nostalgic. Yeah. That's lovely. What's that set like? Big. Yeah. A lot of personalities. Yeah. They've been doing it for like what? It's 25, 30 hours now. It's a very unique property. Very unique. Vin Diesel no disrespect. He's an enormous movie. Sorry. I mean, probably like the highest paid movies are other than Downey. Yet he's only in those movies. Those are his thing. He's in like a TV show. episodic TV. Yes. Biggest. Yep. Every episode's a billion dollars. How lucky. Forget a job like that. One character for 30 years. I mean, you make like 500 million dollars. Not got one. How do you deal with all the alpha energy? I'm good with it. I don't try to. I just say lock horns. You stick out of me. You guys do whatever you're going to do. I'll be where you need me when you need me, when this little fee is over. I'll be here on set hanging out. If you dare. Okay. Lucky strike. This is your second movie with this guy. Rod Laurie. Yeah. Rod Laurie. Tell me about him. Why is he making only war movies? You know, Rod started out in the 80s and 90s as a filmmaker. I don't know if you remember movies like The Contender, Nothing But The Truth. But these were movies at the time in the 90s. He really likes boxing, politics, and war. Those are I think like the three things. It may be football, right? So you'd tell what you know. At the time, he was put up for like one of these movies we're going to win an Oscar. Steven Spieler Guru was like, this is the guy. And you know, he made some great movies. And then like any director, you know, you get cold in the business. You go to jail for a minute. You go to director jail. Thank you for clarifying. I'm like, he went to jail. That's so. He went to jail. Director jail is a little dinner. If we had any overlap when I was in there for the chips, chips, jail, you know, he stayed a great writer. And he's come back kind of as a director. And I worked with them on the outpost, which a good film. It was a big bummer because that film came out in 2020. Yeah. In March 2020. Oh my gosh. Oops. Oops. Yeah. And I remember actually I was in Australia and I flew home because our movie got into South by Southwest and was premiering opening night. Yeah, baby. And it was a good movie. It was a good movie. A true story, two metal of honor winners. Is that in Afghanistan? Yep. Afghanistan. And we got so screwed. I remember getting all the ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, as you got off the plane. And it was like the festivals canceled. And I was like, what do you mean the festivals cancel? That's insane. Why? I'm like, what do you mean? Have you been living in Iraq? And I'm like, what do you mean? Yeah. And they're like, yes, it's thing called COVID. They shut it down. They shut it down. And it became a sleeper hit on VOD. It didn't. I really liked working with Rod. And actually it was a funny story because I had done a few war movies when he offered this movie. Lucky strike to me. He started with it's a world war to me. I said, uh, let me stop you right there. I've done my tours. Okay. I've done a Pacific. I did tank movie in Europe. I've done Afghanistan now. I said, I'm done. I'm done for a while. I got to take a break. I'm not going to do any more war movies from it. And then he said, I think you should read it. And I said, no, I'm good. Thank you. I said, I wish you the best. Via Condeos, please find the next guy who can do this. He'll do it better than I will. And then about three weeks go by and my agent calls me and says, Hey man, I think you should really read this. Lucky strike. It's really good. I said, really, I got to read this. Okay. I said, I'm going to read it. Then I'm going to like it. Yeah. Exactly. And I read it. And it's great. Then you shipped off to where did you guys shoot that? We shot that in Bulgaria. Wow. Bulgaria. Yeah. Appropriate because it's about the battle of the bulge. And we almost had a Bulgaria. You like that? Yeah. Thank you. I made all that word. Literation with B and G. Yeah. So it's set in World War II, December, 1944. The wars coming to a closish, coming to a closish. I mean, everyone was, I think kind of like this was the last push. We got the Nazis on the ropes. We need to make one last push. It was going into winter, which typically, I don't think even Ukraine and Russia are fighting. And those guys don't fight during winter. They don't even know it. They don't even fight during winter. It was last push. We got to keep going forward. It was just pre-battle of the bulge. It's a story about a whole group of guys that got wiped out. And there was one soul survivor that got trapped behind enemy lines for three or four days. And I don't want to give away too much. It's a true story, right? It is. Our producer Mark Friedman, who is a lovely French guy who was living in France. He's older gentleman, but he was living there post-World War II. And he interviewed a bunch of guys. He was a writer. And he took down this account, this incredible account of a soldier's experience behind enemy lines on the French Belgian border. I don't want to say too much. Well, I think what's relevant is, yeah, your unit gets ambushed and killed. Then you have a radio. This is a Motorola. It's brand new, right? That's true. It was brand new technology for the time. And you call in and they go great. were also under heavy fire. Your extraction point or where you should meet up with us is 30 kilometers away, which is 18 miles and it's in the mountains and snow and a fucking World War II dude. Like even your clothes suck. Yeah, I watched it last night and I'm like not good enough clothes to be fighting in the winter. No, we have Gore-Tex now, we have all these waterproof that you're just in like fucking cotton, cotton, just everything's wet. Yes, cold and wet. You got half gloves on, but those are useless. Was it freezing where you were actually shooting? It was. I had made a promise by the way to go back to why I told Rod, no, I'm not doing this movie. I made a promise. I was not doing another movie in Bulgaria, especially up in a winter. Yeah. I broke all your promises. I broke all your promise. I don't even want to do a summer movie. It was going straight to deployment daily to the mountains, shooting and it just was endure the suck as they say. Yeah. You're crawling up mountains on your hands and knees. You're flying off shit. You're getting more and more injured throughout the whole thing. More crawling. More cold. I did find silver lining and you always do anytime you're telling stories where people died and sacrifice themselves for our country, it comes with like a heavier weight. And I also find that they might not be making World War Two movies in 20 years from now. We actually don't even have half the equipment anymore to make them with. Everything is either broken. You can't find it. It's harder and harder to make these movies. So, you know, I'm like, okay, this might be the last time I ever do a World War Two movie. Let's pay it some respect. Let's honor that. I was thinking that a lot during that. I'm like, okay, 1944 or 18 years away from it would be 100 years. And for me, World War Two is very alive because both my grandmother, my mom's side was in the battle of the bulge. He ran transmission wire. My other grandpa is in the Pacific. So it was like, World War Two is a thing, dude. My grandparents were in it. They told me stories. I saw pictures. But certainly, yeah, no one now. Now it's going to be a war like we think of the revolutionary war. Like, we never met anyone from that. Was that even real? It's just in history books. So yeah, I think you're right. I was having that thought. Like, I wonder how many more World War Two movies there'll be before people are like, I don't know, that war was over a trillion years ago. Tough times and hard, hard people. I feel like we've gotten away from that because we have such good times in this country because of what they did. Well, I loved it. I watched it. And I like a war movie, man. I spend the entire time going like, could I do what I do it? You're just evaluating the whole time. Yeah, what they keep going. It's hard. It's kind of unimaginable. Yeah. You've got a pretty sweet sprinter, man. I don't. You don't have that. No. I had a air stream. Oh, you had an air stream in the same trailer park that Matthew McConaughey. In Malibu. No. Oh, in Texas. Oh, in Texas in Texas on Barton Springs. Oh, wait. Not directly across from black, but close. Close to Terry Blacks. Yeah. Okay. I know it well. And I've eyed it like a dozen times to see if I'm trying to figure out if I could pull my tour bus in there. If it's big enough for that. Were there any 45 footers in there? Mine was 33 feet. I know there was bigger tour buses in there. Okay. The hard part is getting a spot. And now they do have nightly spots. They do reserve that you can get in there. That's what I was looking at doing. Yeah. Uh-huh. What is it? I'm says with Barton Springs and Matthew McConaughey and a lot of that. I can get all the things you just said. I live at Barton Springs when I am there. Do you love it? I do love it. It's a little busy for me. Okay. Where I would just go up to a buddy's house on the lake. They call it the river. Yeah. Like Austin. Like Austin. It's actually the Colorado River. That's right. So I would just go do that in the same water. Yeah. More or less well. Yeah. To spring. It's always 69 degrees. It's true. A lot more to look at there. It's serious. It is. It is beautiful. I would try to go earlier or late. Just because it's showpac sometimes. Burning man. Yep. I saw some photos of Burning Man. Done that a few times. Yeah. How's that? I have great interest in going. Did you do it the like fancy way? That's what I would want to do. I've done it both. The first time I did it was the very fancy private plane to another private plane. Yeah. Landing on the desert with a car right to your thing. Very cool. How do I get that experience? You look me up with whoever you're called. You're in. Is it Taylor Swift? Did she ever call me? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if Taylor Swift's been. I'm going to guess no. And then you've done the tent version? Not the tent. Okay. But we did the drive-in like, hey, we're going to do the whole thing whole week. She might have been a little ambitious. Might have been a little much burning, man. Yeah. What's the right dosage of Burning Man like three days? I think three days. But I think it's two nights. You leave end of third day. Perfect. Okay. Good tip. Good tip. The real burners would like shoot me for singing. Yo. I know. There's a lot. Shoot away. And then Jiu-Jitsu. How long have you been doing Jiu-Jitsu? Man, since I was in my early 20s, 22, 23. Are you a black belt? I haven't gotten my black belt yet. You have a brown belt. You're a black, you're a red belt. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's a long time. Yeah. They're kind of asking it. I have sort of dodged and weave. It's funny. It's like the longer you do it, you realize the more you don't know. And it's just like anything. You're like, you still feel like a beginner. No matter what level you're at, because there's very different levels of black belts. And you're like, oh man, that's just like a permission to still learn. And the guy trained under for 12, 20 years, Nelson Montero, he's a choral belt. And he's, he's 60 years old. And he's ripped and he uck you up. And his name and his legacy, he wants only the best. Yeah. All these guys, any of the, the Machado brothers, any of these guys, it's the same thing. It's like, they're not going to give you something you haven't earned. Yeah, if you're representing the Gracie family, you better be fucking good. Yeah. Is this how you broke your ankle before I'll post? No, I didn't. That drinking accident. I think they'll might have been a drinking accident. That's the best thing I know what he's talking about. Oh no, was it like a bird scooter? Oh, is that what the, I'm going to let you get a jammer and drive scooters around. And then they wake up and they need an MCL. Yeah. She was drunk on a bird scooter and yeah. Yeah. So he's like, oh, I've never been on a scooter. Let's go for the first 30 miles an hour for the first time. Hammered. That's very common. This is hard to say. Yeah. How'd you break your ankle? How did I break my ankle? This is a big, this is the most secretive you've been this whole interview. I love it. This is our scoop how he broke his ankle long time ago. Here's a thing about devolging too much about that is dad broke his ankle. There we go. That little incident shut down the movie for a while, but we got it back on track and we made the movie. That's what matters. Yes. What matters is by the end of the movie, you're able to run on it for a few scenes for a few scenes. It kind of screwed up the directors. You fall off the staircase. Are there legal ramifications for telling us there just might be you are saying a lot. I'm not saying any. How abstract we've interviewed a lot of people that are gorgeous and it varies. I'm being serious. Yeah. Many of them are convinced they're not good looking sincerely. Famously, he told it on here, but like Bradley Cooper, when he got nominated for sex, he's not nominated when he won sex, he's man alive. He won. He fought in one. He really thought that there was like a bit of foot. Like, oh, there's a joke. They're fucking with me. I'm like, Cooper, how many girls mean to want to fuck you before you recognize that that was like Warren's it. Yeah. What is your relationship with this being handsome when people say that I think I get uncomfortable? Yeah. It's going handsome. Well, thank you. That's nice, but I also don't take compliments well. You noticed that. Yeah. My dad and I both don't take compliments well. We're like, okay, great, but we got to go to work. Thanks for all that. We're going to go make a movie. You're allergic to indulgences. Yeah. We don't do that. But there's a few different motivations for that. Like one is, I don't feel worthy of that compliment. I don't connect with that compliment. Sure. Right. Sure. There is like, it doesn't do anything for you. I don't feel better because you said this. Yeah. So it's kind of pointless. I guess because you can't control how you look, but you can control how you affect people, what you put out there in the universe, whether you do good, whether you create art. So that sort of stuff, I think if someone said, hey, I watch your movie, it really affected me. I lost a father or I I connected with this. I felt. Yeah. Whatever it or made me laugh. Shit. Who cares? Yeah. That's more interesting to me. And I said, oh my God, I'm so glad that affected you. I'm so glad we could do something that made your life better. That's more interesting of a compliment to me than. Yeah. Because you're like, I didn't earn it. That's why I want to ask because I think it's complicated because everyone in the world would love to be beautiful. Beautiful, right? But you know, you know, being famous, you're like a zoo animal. After a while, you're like, "Why is there a man looking at me?" Oh, I forgot. I'm a famous person. And you're like, it feels like, you know, you're like, you know, quite just relax when you're in public. 'Cause you're like, oh shit. Well, if I say something and they're listening, you know, there's a lot of complicated. Obviously, people are like, you know, everyone wants to be famous. You don't want to be famous. You want to be rich, sure. - Yeah, sure, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who doesn't want to be rich, you know, and not have to worry about where you're gonna get your next sandwich from? - Yeah. - But being famous, that's not really. - That's the famous Bill Murray quote. If you're thinking about becoming rich and famous, I recommend the rich part. - Yeah. - You'd also already been disillusioned, let's be honest. - 100%. - Yeah, you'd already watched in your home, the impact of that. - I've saw the bullshit. My dad could never sit down for dinner and have a meal without 100 people coming up to me. - Yeah. - Yeah, he's very gracious. But at the same time, it does wear on you at some point. 'Cause you're like, yeah, yeah. I'm having a meal with my family. There's a price you pay. Like you said, you saw the bullshit on the other side of it. - Oh, so you know, you kind of look like it. Hit me a few times in the movie last night and then it hit me. It's hitting me here on the couch. - We'll say it on three. - Oh, that'll be fun. We'll you count to three. But three, two, one, then we say it. - Okay. - Okay. - Three, two, one. - Anthony star. - Oh. (laughs) - What if we didn't even get yours? - Mine was Taryn Egert. - I agree, I agree. - I think you look a lot like him. - Okay. - Both are very good. - Who'd you say? - Anthony star. Tony star from the boys. Home lander. - Oh, do you ever gotten home lander? - No. - Do you watch the boys? - I do watch the boys. Oh, I watch it, yeah. - Fucking great. - You don't get either of these. - He's a beast. - He's a beast. - He's a demon. - He's a bad one. - He's a bad one. - He's the home lander, the big superman character. - The big guy. - The big bad one. - Well, Scott, this has been a blast. I love Lucky Strike. If you love horror movies, you're gonna fucking love this. It comes out June 26 nationwide. And I guess did you travel here for this? Or are you on a little tour? - I'm doing a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I've got to leave the East Coast to go do press and make my rounds. - Oh, okay. What was the delight to me? - Yeah, thanks for coming. - This has been great. Good luck with the movie. And we'll see you again when you do fast. - I brought you guys fast 11. - I brought you guys some stuff. - Oh, what? - You don't need to distract me as a kind of guy that would bring something. - No, no, no. We've got this supplement company. - Oh. - I got you guys both things. - Oh, hello. - Oh, what does this supplement do for me? - Obviously. - Well, it's an all in one. It's a whole north performance. Why north performance? - It's fine, you're north. - Oh, okay, like you're north star. - Yeah. - So I don't know about you guys, but I take a ton of supplements and my very wealthy buddy got sick of doing it and was like, let's make it all in one. - Oh, you got Cretan in this bit. - Oh, I love Cretan. - So you can get everything, you know, you don't forget. You're like, okay, one thing in the morning, and then you're like, hit your foundation. - Right. - You know what I don't see Tessa Morlin in here or Ipa Morlin or SS31 or Tessa Morlin. (all laughing) - Where are those? - Oh, I know. - Who's you gonna inject to my friends? - Yeah. - He knows. He's doing it. - Yeah, yeah. - All right, thanks brother. - Yeah, that's a problem. - Just a quick reminder that as part of our summer break, here's a rerun of one of our favorite fact checks. - Here we are. Welcome home. - Back in the attic. - Is your famous welcome home song? - Welcome home. - Well, well, well, well, well, well, welcome home. - Yeah, I'm sure. - That's our cure-all songs. - That's right. - There's that Edward Sharp home song. - How's that one going? - Oh, I love that song. - I don't know. - I don't sing either. - Well, home is where I, well, that's my, I'm naive melody, my favorite song of all time. Talking heads. - Oh. - Which by the way, this fresh off the press, this is a couple hours old. Driving the kids to school this morning. - Yeah. - And there is a new version of my very favorite song. This must be the place by the talking heads. It's by Sure, Sure. Can I play you a few seconds of it? - Yes, please. - It's an exciting version of that. (upbeat music) ♪ To be with me up and down near out ♪ ♪ I feel numb ♪ ♪ Born with a weak heart ♪ ♪ Guess I must be having fun ♪ ♪ Unless we say about it to bear ♪ - I like that version, all right? - Yes. - I mean, to me, you're really taking, you're like, you're rewriting the Bible for me on this one. You're re-making Godfather. This is a dangerous endeavor and they passed my test. - Is it a playful? - It's incredibly playful. You should even hear how it takes. Oh, I don't want to bore everyone with the entire song, but boy, does it take off the playfulness? - Ooh. - Are you excited? - It goes in. - Ordered Calvin a banner that says this must be the place yesterday for this veteran. - You did? It's like a big camping banner. - Wobby. - What's a camping banner? - Like your camp. - A flag? - It's like a flag. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Like you declare camp rascal, like that's the division. - That is Rob's camp. - Of course it is, camp rascal. - Do you want to tell people about your pants, speaking of rascal? - I mean, I think you would be way better off describing my pants. - Okay, so you bought some pants. - And you've made an alteration yourself. - I thought these pants were going to be, like, Finn, Summer, Lynn and E.P. - Lynn and E.P. - Lynn and okay. - And when they came, they were so volumous around the haunches. And then up, like mid-cav at the end, they were crazy looking. I put these on, I was like, what do we do with these? And I had spent a good deal of money on them. - Sure. - So they were sitting, right, as they do with things I spend a lot of money on, and I can't accept that I'm never going to wear them. - Yeah. - And then I think on Friday, I was like, let's cut a foot or two off these and see where we're at. - Yeah. - And I did that, and then I wore them all day Friday. And I just love how they feel. And they're either hideous looking on me or they work, I can't tell. - No, I actually don't think it's either or. - Oh, okay. - 'Cause they're not hideous. - Okay. - Of course they work. They. - Well, I mean, as they're covering my genitals, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But they are intriguing. - They're one-offs. I mean, they're an original. - They are, because they hit you at about-- - Want me to stand up. - Cool-ots. - Want me to stand up. Let's get a real, let's not-- - Yes, okay. - So it's about four inches below the knee, five inches? - Yeah. - But it's definitely two thirds of the way up the calf and shin. Maybe three quarters of the way up. - You know what you're doing? You're being Brad Pitt. You're being so out there with your fashion right now. And you even called it. You said, oh, I'm gonna be wearing skirts. - I'm gonna be wearing skirts here in a minute. - And that, you're right, I'm inching towards. - Wow. - I could in fact just have these seams opened up and maybe have them join and have my first skirt. - Oh. (laughing) - Okay. - Cute. - Wow. - This might be the first iteration of this garment. - I think so. It's definitely that billowy material that works first. - They're comfortable as all get out. I mean, I'm really comfortable in these. - That's good. - I slap in these last night if you got to know the culture of this shirt. And then I woke up and I ran out of time. I was in this outfit when I dropped the kids off at school. And when I got out of the car, I was like, I'm going for it. Are my kids self-conscious about this outfit? - That's very Brad Pittie. - Yeah. - It's pity. - It's real pity. And then I ran into my good friend Scott Schaefer, who was an AD on parenthood, a great AD, and now has had a physical production at HBO. - Cool. - A, I just love seeing him 'cause we were good friends. And then I get to talk to him about all the inside scoop at HBO, which is fun, behind the curtain. But I was wearing this outfit. Well, two things happened. God damn it, now we're here. - Yeah. - That's wrong. - Okay, back up. I have the new goal of waking up at 5.50 in the morning so I can write for two hours before I drop the kids off at school. Well, I woke up at 4.50 now, it's kind of fucked. And the one am I going to now stay up till 4.50? And I knew we had a long day. So then I had to wrestle myself back to sleep, which means I didn't wake up till 7, which means I only got to do my journal, not my prose writing and my meditation. So I pretty much ran out the door. I hadn't even looked in the mirror and I'm wearing the same outfit I slept in. Run into Scott. I'm like, I look like a Bozo. I look like a circus clown. That's just the outfit. Then I get back in the car. I don't normally have sleepies. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. I looked in the rear-view mirror as I got like, I was like, "Fuckin', hey, I had sleepies all." Poor Scott was talking to me in this crazy outfit. And I had sleepies. He must have been grossed out. - No, he wasn't. - He must have thought I was a unhoused. - No, he thought you were sleepy. That's what sleepies mean. - I got in that car and I was looking in there and I was like, "Oh fuck, I had a sleepy on my left." And I was like, "Oh my God, I have one of the right eye too." - Was it really yellow? - No, it wasn't like a goober in the middle. It was literally below where like the folds of my chubby eyelids would be. And it looks like a little crust, but white crust. - It wasn't so gross as just that's crust. - No, it's. - Oh my God, people are gonna stop listening. - Stop. - You're gonna have to at some point. - No, it's fine. - Between the shitty my pants. - It's an audio podcast. They can't see your crust. - But at some point are they like, "You know what, this guy's disgusting." - No. - Okay. Well that's what happened. - You're not disgusting. - A little embarrassed. - Oh, I'm sorry that happened. - It's okay. - You weren't gonna tell us that. you're right. No intention of telling anyone that that would have been something that never came up. Why cuz you thought you might cry quiet quiet shame I don't know, but but I'm it's out there. It came up Let's talk about your the fact that you're home from your European vacation and massage and people are not gonna They're not gonna be Cool with us not asking an update because our last fact check ended with heavy speculation That's right and heavy encouragement. You've even knew you've a ring on your finger. Yep. I am Development I do have a new ring. Thank you for noticing Rob. It's beautiful ring But myself it was not by my massage therapist, okay, but I will give an update on Please, please, can I suggest that you start on say Saturday when cuz cuz you've now told Molly Amy and Kristen that you're seeing him and they've all had massages by him. Right. I mean I get sure they arranged it Yes, cuz they've had these massages if they believe it was a live-changing massage And so now they're starting to get really excited for you as the appointment closes it I want to point out that so much hype started building that you Went into it. I would imagine what the mindset of like isn't this is gonna be terrible compared to I think that's important Yes, it was very hyped up, but it's been hyped up for years and then yeah, I'm going in. I'm like, okay, well Really, I think I was looking for it to disappoint. Okay. Yeah, I think a little part of me wanted it to be disappointing So then well, I didn't tell the girls this Oh, I said it on here, right that he told me that it was early in his experience when he Massaged them, but he has since ratcheted up his performance. Oh my god, and I didn't tell them that you know Want them to feel like they got a bunk version? Yeah, but they did okay, because then We already know that he looked you up on Instagram from previous. Yes. Yes. He looked me up on Instagram And we know that because last episode you made a joke about the oil. I bring a lot of oil or I'm just wondering how much oil the brain and then I said well, he's like to my Instagram. So I think he knows Okay, my massage was Sunday. So Saturday. He said tomorrow's the day Yeah, for play. Uh-huh, and I was like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm so excited and so he sends me his address It's a day. It was at his home. Yeah, it's his home, but it's his studio Sure, I'm not taking anything away from his home. It's just it's not a brick and mortar store phone. No, yeah, it's a residence I arrived at a residence. Yes, and I was early. Oh, I text him. I'm early. No rush though. I'll just be standing outside the door So then he opens the door he says voila. Oh my god. That's how he greeted you. Oh He said something. He had some bad head. Oh Interesting, but it looked good on him. Yeah, yeah, this guy's got it. I was like he's hot. Okay. Yeah, he is hot They were okay. They were right. Yeah, he's objectively hot. Yeah, but also like in a French way like bed head like Then I come in he picks out my shoes for me like my little sandals Oh, okay, okay, because you got to transfer from your your street shoes. Yes, okay. He sits me on down on the couch There's all these oils in front of me And then he's just like wants to chat for a little bit. Great. So then we're chatting Okay, get to know you stuff. Yeah, he asks about Kristen sure updates. Yeah, he asked what I do So we whatever we're chit chatting and I'm feeling so on edge a little bit Okay, then he makes me pick out my oils. Okay. I pick a body oil and then also a scent oil sure lavender I picked lavender for my body and then this like kind of woodsy one. Oh smoky whiskey. Yeah, what's okay. He doesn't speak great English Which is kind of great. Yeah, yeah, so then he leads me into this other room the sauna Okay, that's in his home. Yeah, yeah part of his studio. No, I know. I know. I'm not being Dominion. No, I know you're not. I'm just telling you like the sauna big. It's infrared I help him learn the word infrared great. We go in there now both people are getting something out of this experience Which is great. He says 20 minutes in the sauna and then you'll shower. There's a shower Oh my god. I'm front of cameras and and I said okay, do I wear this so there's a robe hanging? Yeah, and I said Do I wear this robe? And he said no like he like really hated the idea of me wearing the robe In the sauna. Yes. Yes, of course and so I said okay Yeah, and he said nude like he kept saying nude. He doesn't say naked. Yeah, that's like guess an American word And I said okay, and then he said you can wear this and there's this like little kind of paper underwear Okay If you want to wear this you can wear this and he said and then you'll put on the robe Right, you can wear this underwear if you want, but it's better if you're Yes, yes, of course, does he stay in the room? No, okay. No, okay. Okay. I think he's Sense that maybe I was a little hmm About the nudity. Yeah, so he said you'll be covered with a towel the whole time Yeah, okay, great at this point. I'm like I'm just gonna have to surrender to this experience Because I will say when he texted me tomorrow is the day. Yeah, I thought is there a world in which Kristen has told him to have sex with me. Oh right, and I really did not like that. I need charity case Yeah, I have a lot of baggage about being a charity case. Yeah, and so and also it was just like no like I don't want I'm making the decisions. Yes, yes, yes, yes, so I had some fear about that But so I I went in being like I need to make it pretty clear I'm not interested in that. Yeah, so anyway, he leaves the room I get into the sauna and it's really nice Yeah, and then I get in the shower and I then I was confused about the shower because I'm like do I wash my hair? I thought he was gonna do some hair play and I don't want my hair to be wet during hair play. Of course So then I do get my hair wet, but I don't wash it and I wash my body and then I put on the robe and I can put some makeup on My perfume You're in the opposite head space. No, no, no it's so obvious you weren't in that head space. This is why I made that show things You take a turn so then I Go and oh, he asked me he says do you want the music with lyrics or without? Okay, right and I was like I don't know you know what yeah, what do you think it's my first time in your apartment reminding everyone that he has Refered to this as an experience many times. He was like this is an experience like sometimes people cry Yeah, and feel free to have all the emotions you're gonna have. Okay. Okay, so then I pick with lyrics. Okay, go in He tells me to lay down and put the towel on and I look and like in American massages you get under a sheet That's right and it's like really covering your whole body slide under that sheet. Yeah, like some Brooklyn a beautiful Brooklyn Yeah, yeah, this was not that it was a towel. Yeah, but you would just dried off or a towel Okay, but it's you know a towel Doesn't cover that. It's not like it's flowing off the table. It's just just covering my body. Yeah comes in turns on the music It's already it smells so good that woodsy oil smells lovely. Yeah, and then he starts and it Was it instantaneously? Connected in and hot and lovely. Yeah, it is He but he pulls the towel down and does he go down all the way past your butt? Right out of the gates. Yes, so you're just though your whole back is totally exposed. Yes. Oh my gosh Okay, and I was like, okay. Okay, here we go. Let's go And he does like he massages sort of to the to the music it was so So central I mean Extremely wow, and he massaged Everything except My pussy pack of dermis, okay, but when he was on your butt cheeks, dizzy, how close are you getting to your angus? Yes, um, I wasn't like Oh, yeah right is touching my butthole right okay good, but all the whole thing Well, so the back's the back the back you can only get so crazy. Yeah, now. That was time to flip. Oh so whispers to turn over and I do and there's multiple Seconds before the towel comes back down all Rob What are your what's your heart rate right now? He's just staring. Oh my god. Does he make eye contact with you? My eyes are closed Okay, you can just feel that he's staring. It's not like he you flipped and he walked to another side of the room No, no, no, he lifted the towel and so you could roll over yep all the way on your back when I'm used to with the tap the flip They say on the side lift the towel. They're on the saying. They're like keeping the towels still pretty I mean the sheet still very close to the So you're kind of squarming together. This is not that the towel comes up right you flip over Out in the open, I flip over and then I'm there for some time before the towel comes back. How long do you think, five full seconds, one, two, one, three, one thousand, four, one thousand, five? Wow. What's happening at your titillation meter, just being bare-nude in front of him knowing he's just enjoying the show? Well, at that time, since it was like halfway through. You're warmed up. Yeah. I was. You were in no hurry for to hit the seat. I wasn't. It was fascinating. That's very erotic. It was incredibly erotic. Just someone deciding they'd like to stare at you nude might be more erotic and exciting than, yes, than even like touching in the middle of kissing. This is such a weird thing to say, but I feel like we had sex. Right. Because of the level of intimacy and exposing yourself and trust. It was so intimate. Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare. There was one thing he did. I was facing up. He was putting his hands under my back and lifts you up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. So, your arching. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. But your breasts are now being. They're out. jutted out. Everything's out. Right. And as he pulls your back up, they're now shooting out. Right? Am I maybe understanding this right? He's getting a rolling. You're spying. Yeah, I guess. It was like what you would do during sex. It's a sexual move. Yeah. Yeah. He did not touch my vagina. Okay. I'll be. Okay. All right. Now, tell me about the breast portion. Yeah. He was rubbing your breasts over the nipples and everything. Yes. Oh, my God. Does he do men's and the same? I don't know if he's ever done a man. Oh, my God. I don't know how. I need it. Did you feel like you might climax during any of this? You were too afraid to go like, fuck it. Let's go for it. Let's embrace it and actually try to climax. You weren't willing to do that. No. Could you have climax? I guess that's a question. My body was ready for it. Ready. Yes. That's all I can. Oh, wow. That's all I feel comfortable saying. Sure. It's very hard to explain. It was like if something actually crossed the line, it would have ruined it. Yeah. I feel you. I got you. Yeah. You guys were on the perfect line between inappropriate and inappropriate. I mean, you were on the other side of inappropriate, but not like whatever your bottom line was. Really? Also, if anyone has the opportunity, I would just. Oh, yeah. Take it. Don't miss it. I'm going to say my mom to him. Your mom would love it. I know. I wonder if he would give her the same treatment he gave you. I mean, probably not. I mean, I'd love to believe he's just like a spreader of joy and eroticism. Sure. And that he would give my mother that same. Yeah. But he wanted. Well, he would. No. He certainly wanted to date you. But he said after he said, "You have a perfect body." And I was glad he said it after. Yeah. Yes. And not during. Right. It was once I had my road back on and we were out of the room. You were safe. Yes. And then, am I right that he asked what you were doing? Yeah. But I think that. You think that was just innocuous? Yeah. What do you think about it? What do you think? Directly after he said, "You have a perfect body." No. It was a little. Five, six minutes after. Five minutes after. Yeah, Rob, that was a request for a date. Yeah. Sounds like it. Yeah. Yeah. Once he said I had a perfect body, I was incredibly flattered. Yeah. I was. You were on. I'm floating. I was already. A mass. Yeah. Yeah, and so then he said that and I was like, "I gotta go. I gotta go. Like, I got to go now." Right. Yeah. Wow. This is one of the best stories I've ever heard on this show. It was a big day. It was funny because of your joke about massaging the boobs was so clearly a joke. And then, so, when that was a real thing happening, I was like, "I can't believe it." This is actually happening right now. I can't believe it. That he did need to bring a certain. About a whale. About a whale. About a whale. Exactly. Okay, so here's what I thought might happen. So you were very clear on all your things and then you left and it was perfect. It was perfect. My prediction, and it wasn't like a 70%, I went in a bet. Like if I was doing odds in Vegas, I had a 30% thought. That you're going to have like a full half date of marinade on the post kind of euphoria of it all. And then you go to dinner and you'd be drinking a glass of wine and then he'd reach out and he'd say like, "How are you feeling after your experience?" And then I thought there's a 30% chance that the thing could still take a turn that evening. Right. Did he reach out that evening? He reached out, but it wasn't that evening. It was later, but it wasn't like late. Okay. It wasn't while you were having a glass of wine. No. Perfect text. I didn't want that. I know you didn't. I believe you 1,000%. I just think it's hard for you to understand that. As a yes. I don't even say as a guy. As me. Yeah. So anyways, you came home. What an experience. So the fact that after all the hype, the buildup, it was everything. They said and then beyond that. And I will say, I asked him, how long have you been doing this? And he said, this three years, massage 17 years. Wow. So when he said he is doing something different, he is doing something different. Yes. Yeah. I did think though, like, if I had a boyfriend and I went to France and I had this experience, yeah, yeah. It would have, I think, felt like I just cheated. A little. It really does like, it's like, oh, I'm awake. Right. I'm online. Yeah. Wow. What a guy. It was something. It was something. I was not expecting to be able to report all of that back. I thought it would just be like, yeah, it was like a little hyped up. But it was great. I expected it to be like an incredible massage, but this, it wasn't that experienced by God. It did cross my, I got to tell you because I'm so protective of you. Yeah. The only thing I thought is like, okay, so 30% chance some wine happens. You're not on the pill anymore. No. I know. That's across my mind. Are you going to come up? I know. I'm kidding. Luckily, abortion is legal in California. That's true. That's true. But see, that's why abortion should be legal because like, if they need to go to, sorry, your massage therapist. No, at that point, it's a masseuse. No. Yeah, because what they don't like is that masseuses imply some kind of sexual flavors. So if he did climb on top of you, then we could rightfully probably call him a masseuse. I was, I was like, culturally, this is so interesting, like, what if it's just feel so erotic? Yeah. What if it's standard? Because it's French. I know. Incredible story. Incredible story. Okay. Now, ding, ding, ding. We mentioned six flags in this episode, six flags New Jersey, because that's where she's from, six flags for a great adventure. And that is a ding, ding, ding, because we just brought that up on another fact, check. About the rollercoaster. Yeah. The biggest rollercoaster is there. Okay, pros and cons to coffee. It has a lot of nutrients, the coffee beans do, vitamin B2, vitamin B5, B1, B3, folate, potassium, magnesium, phosphorus, lots of stuff. It can add up to a significant portion of your daily nutritional intake. But coffee really shines in its high content of antioxidants. In fact, the typical Western diet provides more antioxidants from coffee than from fruits and vegetables combined. Whoa. Yeah. But it's the only place I'm getting my antioxidants. Yeah, I know. I have an out of vegetable in the wine house. I know. I did think like you're not even seeing it in its peak form. You're seeing it after a food orgy over the last 10 days. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Caffeine, Estimulant Thycanine Hand's Brain Function, Enbuse Metabolism, made protect your brain from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Mm-hmm. It says, "Coffee knickers have a much lower risk of type 2 diabetes, low risk of liver diseases, low risk of depression and suicide." And this fat check was brought to you on the American Council of Coffee. Okay. But then it says, "Coffee can cause anxiety and disrupt sleep." Yeah. We can live without. Addictive and missing a few cups can lead to withdrawal. Yeah. Okay. Just keep having the cup. Just see how you're going to get your hands on a cup of coffee. Exactly. Yeah. Or sugar that's bad. Yes, of course. But this isn't an episode on sugar. This is about coffee. That's right. Yeah. Anyway. It sounds like a lot of pros. Yeah. Which is good. I'm glad I'm drinking so much of it. Okay. Cold water versus room temp water. I'm always told that Chinese believe it's not good to drink cold water. I don't think it's about Chinese. That's what I'm always told. Oh my God. It is. Okay. All water is good. Dr. License and board certified doctor of acupuncture in Chinese medicine and found during clinical herbalist at Yanova says cold water is refreshing and cooling. It's great on a hot day. and a good choice after exercise. Okay, so drinking warm water may be better in some instances where it's drinking cold water might also be more beneficial. So as room temp water can make you less thirsty, cold water is beneficial after workout, room temp aids in digestion. In Chinese medicine, you're right. In Chinese medicine, we advocate drinking warm water because of its effects on the digestive system. Drinking cold water can congeal the fats and food and because of that, can make the digestive system sluggish. Well, look, this I think we can say, when I get into too much hot water, ding, ding, ding. Different populations of people around the world struggle with different issues kind of pandemically. Yeah, warm water improve circulation and can relax muscles, which combat constipation and abdominal cramping. Cold water can stuff up your sinuses. Room temp water boosts metabolism because it increases your overall body temperature. Cool, okay, that's enough. Yeah. Does scoliosis skip generations? Is scoliosis genetically passed from parents to their children? Strong evidence suggests that scoliosis rented families, but no direct evidence has been found. Also nearly a third of patients with adolescent, idiopathic scoliosis have a family history of the condition. Only a third, most of the huge. And that's from the scoliosis institute. Okay, she went to a good college and she says this one of the seven sisters and I didn't know what that was. And I felt like a bad unophile. I don't either. Okay, the seven sisters refers to seven highly selective liberal arts colleges in the northeastern US that are historically women's colleges. Okay. Barnard, Brynmar, Mt. Holyoke, Smith, Wellesley, Vassar. Vassar college is currently a co-educational college and Radcliffe college was absorbed by 1999 by Harvard college. Oh, wow. Okay. I only knew two of those. I knew Vassar and Barnard. Barnard, you knew Wellesley, right? Oh, yes. I think that might have been in catcher in the right. And Smith, I knew. But I didn't know, well, Brynmar I think is where she went. Okay, now we know. Now we know. I didn't know Mt. Holyoke. Nope, still don't. These colleges were created to provide women with the educational equivalent to the traditional male Ivy League colleges. It's pretty cool. I like that. Okay. The New York Times article about the indicators that lead to climbing the economic ladder. It's called, quote, "Frending bias." Okay. And it was in August of this year. A large new study offers clues about how lower income children can rise up the economic ladder. Growing up in a community connected across class lines improves kids' outcomes and gives them a better shot at rising out of poverty. That's what's cool about our kids' school. It is very cool. It's half-haves and half-knots. Yeah. So if you guys want to read this article, it's interesting. Okay. You said when traders have wins, they get a bump in testosterone. Right. So I could not find evidence of that. What there is a ton of evidence of is, when city traders have high morning testosterone levels, they make more than average profits for the rest of that day. Oh, wow. So the testosterone affects the outcome in some ways, weirdly. But I couldn't find the reverse. Okay. Do you know women have more testosterone than they have estrogen? Yes, but the percentage is-- Lower than malice. But what's interesting is we think of estrogen as being the female hormone. And testosterone being the male hormone. And obviously, there's a big difference. But I don't think anyone realizes women have more testosterone than they have estrogen. Yeah. We learn that in our fertility podcast. Oh, you did. I learned it on who we're men talking to. Yeah. It was with-- He was like, oh, okay. And depends on the person, the levels. I have a lot. I think self-diagnosed, like my sad. Testosterone is the big upponent of fertility in men. So for people who are thinking about doing testosterone replacement therapy, you absolutely cannot do it if you want to, too. It destroys your fertility. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, the rate of opiate addiction and vets, while in Vietnam, is 30%. And they come home and 4% remain addicted. That's the numbers? That's what you said. Oh, okay. I've lost complete faith in those guesses. There's this huge publication I found. And there's a table in here. You're definitely right. Let's just say you're definitely right that the number goes drastically down. There's a staggering drop while when they return back. But I'll read some of this because I have a broken down to any narcotic use, any heroin use, narcotics more than weekly for a month or more, addicted to narcotics at any period you're in positive for narcotics. Okay. So let's just use any narcotic use. 10% since return. Okay. And 43% in Vietnam. Okay. And 11% before Vietnam. That's really weird. It came down after. It came down after. Wow. Yeah. 43% narcotic use. Yeah. That's a lot. Yeah. Two out of every five. Okay. I have a surprise. Oh. It's not really a surprise because you told me to look it up. But. Although it is a surprise because I've forgotten. Yeah. You have the best speakers I've ever heard on it. Really? It's so loud. The traffic. I can't breathe my voice. The dog. The dog. That does it. Oh, God. Take away. I'm going to lose your kids. Leave that bathtub. Calgon softens the water to leave skin. She's in a 6,000 gallon circular bathtub. The Roman pillow. I love it. Remember yourself with a Calgon bath. Lose yourself in luxury. They were one sentence away from saying have an orgasm. It's got ding ding ding. I'm sorry. It's very ding ding ding. I promise you that that Calgon can give you the experience you got in that man's apartment. Good luck, Calgon. Oh, no. You lost something. You lost the whole document. No. What? Well, I would have mentioned it die after the volume of the all my tabs went away. Oh, I don't think I have very many left, but did you crumb crash? Sometimes if you reopen it, it says reopen tabs. I know. But it didn't. You guys both use chrome? Yeah. You should use chrome. It's good. Fuck. Sign that you're a good employee. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Was it chrome though? Yeah. Yeah. Safari comes default on it. Yeah. Yeah. And the chrome you've got to add. And Windows Explorer is the default browser. You know what Windows Internet Explorer, I think it's discontinued now. I think Firefox. Oh, Firefox. Yeah. That was the most best employee. Wasn't it Firefox? No. You were really out on the line. Oh, chrome. Okay. I just like, because it integrates with Google everything. Right. Fuck. Okay. I'll start using it. Just using it. It's always begging me when I open Gmail to switch over it. Do you think maybe you're not using it? Because you're like, I don't want to be an employee anymore. No. No, I don't. It's probably an inflated confidence in Apple. Like, well, Safari's got to be the best. I like all the other Apple-sweeted products. Yeah. Safari's good. Safari's good. You know what's cool about chrome. Tell me. I could pull up my history. Oh, well, you can do that on Safari. No, no. You can't. Right. You can. You can do that on AOL. No. That's an OG shit right there. Definitely. It's chrome. I just want to earmark out loud. But on the next fact check. Because this one's been so wonderfully good and long. Robust? Yeah. But just on earmark that I have a grievance to air. Oh, my. Right. So just speaking of that while you look at your thing, there's two things that sound racist that aren't in Formula One. Oh, what? Because they say, regularly, like, the Spanish driver, because it's an international sport and all these guys are from different countries. Yeah. So they'll say, like, Carlos Signs, like, the Spanish driver is, you know, running, they'll refer to their nationality a lot. Oh, I see. But when they say the Mexican driver, because Perez is from Mexico, it just feels racist. That's right. And the other one is Joe Grant knew he's from China. And when they say the Chinese driver, like that, especially if he's like, he's spun out or something and they'll say, like, oh, the Chinese driver went, why don't I? It's steeply racist, but it's objectively not because they're saying everyone's nationality. But for some reason, when they say the Chinese driver or the Mexican driver, no, there's a reason. It's because in America, we do that to those nationalities that you just rarely hear someone saying this Mexican, it's never positive after someone when I'm saying which is that's very American, though, always I'm like, oh, Chinese driver, why do they just say that? I don't know. You have that reaction. I like that. Okay. Hold on. The history is not going as good as you remembered it to be on Chrome. Maybe think of Safari. No. Okay. I found it. Okay. So, the question is, is the America's GDP, is the Wall Street, so is how I am pretty jet life? Of course. Do you need to, does it look like I'm getting frustrated? No, I'm frustrated with myself, because I can't talk. right now. What do you think about this three framing? I kind of like it. I've heard that it's a good idea. I know you're aware of it. Instead of saying I'm sorry, I blank say thanks for your patience. Oh, that's nice. Thanks for your patience. Yeah, no problem. You don't want me in apology. I don't know why that's a thing. I just know intuitively I like it. Like instead of coming in and going like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm like, it's I'm gonna thank you for your patience. Right. You feel like it's taking less responsibility a little, yeah, a little because I am sorry if I'm making mistakes. Well, you don't need to be because I'm not upset. I think it's for more mundane things that you're not supposed to over apologize. I've heard that too. Like this is a bad thing I would love to help linking it over. She says I'm sorry so much in dressing crazy because I'm like, you don't need to be. She does say it as she almost says it. It's a default. Yeah. Like when we're playing soccer and she doesn't kick it perfectly to me. I know. I'm like, maybe you don't need to be like this is part of what she's doing. She's doing what I just did. She's she's saying I'm sorry to herself. And that's what I I've in so many words, I said to her, it's okay for you to have a goal for yourself. Yeah. That you might even want to say like, I know I can do better to yourself, but you don't owe me anything. Yeah. It's I don't have an expectation of you being perfect at passing a soccer ball 300 times. Right. So you don't owe me an apology because I had there's been no unsaid contract that that's what I expect from you. Yeah. It's totally dependent on the scenario. I think it's courteous to say I'm sorry if you've impacted somebody. Yeah. Okay. The percentage of America's GDP that's Wall Street. Oh, finance. In 1970, the finance insurance industry is accounted for 4.2% of US GDP up from 2.8% in 1950. By 2012, they represented 6.6. The story with profits is similar. In 1970, the profits of the finance and insurance industries were equal to 24% of the profits of all other sectors combined. In 2013, that number had grown to 37%. Despite the after effects of the financial crisis. Wow. So 30% 37. Wow. In 2013. Yeah. So it could be more. That's why people should be critical of the finance industry, but the notion that we should get rid of it or totally. Well, that's how this came up. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's naive. You can't really talk about getting rid of any industry that's 30% of our GDP without humongous colossal collapse of many systems and people's life. Yes. I'm not interested in getting rid of it at all. But I don't subscribe to the thought that it has to be toxic to work. Right. Right. Right. No, do I think we should be held hostage by any industry? That's how I'm saying. I'm talking to the people that are like dismantle Wall Street. Totally. No private banking. I agree. It's a bit cornerstone of our overall economy. Yeah. And really it's all England is now. They stop manufacturing. They have some luxury goods. They have Burberry. That's a luxury. Yeah. We're very trench. Okay. That's all for today. Okay. Now you have it. We have an Easter egg for next fact check. All right. Love you. Thank you for that great story. You're welcome.