In this podcast episode, host Derek Grant explores the interconnectedness of religion, science, and spirituality, positing they are different sides of the same coin. He defines spirituality as the internal, evolving quest to understand one's spirit or consciousness, often involving practices like meditation. In contrast, religion is described as an external, man-made system of beliefs and worship, created to provide a framework for the transcendental experiences described by mystical teachers. The host argues that while spirituality deals with the inner cause, religion often focuses on the outer effect, leading to perceived separation and conflict among different faiths. He shares a personal revelation about the non-absolute nature of religions, noting they are mind-made and numerous. The episode concludes by suggesting that the core concepts across these domains—such as consciousness in spirituality, God in religion, and fundamental energy in science—may all point toward a single, unified, and omnipresent reality.
[Music] Once you see what you actually are, that you're an infinite limitless being, you'll see that nothing exists outside of you. I'm your host Derek Grant, and this is the Pathway to Results Podcast. [Music] Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, cats and dogs, Lyons, tigers and bears, welcome back to the Pathway to Results Podcast. I am your host DG, privilege and honor, always to share this thing called space and time with you. I'm glad that we were able to do this yet again. Oh man, this episode, I've been formulating, I wrote a 10-page paper on it trying to figure out a way to digest everything that I have here inside of this cranium and pull it down out of the ethers, but you saw that you saw the episode title and religion, science and spirituality, and it's just different side of the same coin. And hopefully my intention with this is to show that they're all actually connected and they're not separate. They're not separate. I actually had a guy on Instagram send me a, someone asked me a question on there that I answered, and they're asking how they asked, how can you explain how everything is one thing? And I use, I reference the Big Bang theory. And this guy, who I don't really know, but I know he's pretty devout Christian, says, come on, I love your stuff, but this is crazy that you said this. Like I can pull holes in the Big Bang. And I realized at that moment, I'm like, I got to do this podcast because people don't understand, they think that science is separate from religion and they think that spirituality is separate from religion and they think that science is separate from, they're all literally like one thing. So I'm going to go through and break down how and why and how we got to this point, why we develop religion, what science is, all those things are. So first thing, first let's give you a definition of what we say in Oxford Dictionary. So let's start with, I'm trying to think here which one we want to start with. Let's start with spirituality. Okay. Spirituality. Spirituality is the quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. So when you hear that, that's essentially saying you're more concerned with the spiritual world than you are the physical plane. Well, when we understand there are three planes of existence that we live in, spirit-minded body, right? And we reside on all three, our awareness is on all three of them. The causal plane, the first one, is the spiritual plane. So spirituality is actually the game that you should be actually probably playing. Okay, because you are a spirit. Like if I'm a basketball player, I should play basketball. If I'm a spirit, I should probably play spirituality because that's what it's concerning. Okay. So I say that because this was like, I think sometimes with human things, we have just this misunderstanding through words. Words help us, but then words also trip us up. Think about how hard it is to learn the English language. Like if you look at the word two, we have two, we have T-O, we have T-O-O, we have T-W-O. But if I'm just saying two, if you don't understand, you won't understand the context. We do this all the time with words, with spirituality, with religion, with science. So don't let the words hang you up as my point. Here's what we have to understand with spirituality. Spirituality is essentially the understanding of the self, the spirit, consciousness. Do you see? It's the understanding of it. So here we are on this physical plane trying to understand the non-physical, the unseen, or we would say the quantum world. So in this practice, most spiritual seekers, they're on a journey to figure out techniques and practices, especially in the beginning of trying to figure out what is it? What is it I want to be? Or what is it I'm striving for? So most often the result is the legions with all these different practices. So I think I think about my own life. When I first started this journey of having this awakening, I was doing it. I was trying and doing everything. It was like a little bit of this, a little bit of that, a little bit of this, a little bit of that. And I realized now what I was doing was I was looking for a lifestyle or a personality or a spiritual experience that was matching my level of consciousness. So that's why over the years, over the time, it has evolved and has become more refined because my consciousness has expanded. So along this journey, we start to have spiritual doubt that arises. And you start to question like, is this really like, I thought I was crazy actually for a while. Like, man, this is, I'm not something losing my mind. My wife thought I was crazy. Everybody thought I was crazy. It's like, wait, what's going on? I always got all these tattoos now. What is going on with him? What? And it made me like question everything. It questions like for a period of time, like I questioned everything because I didn't realize that the truth that I was seeking was on an inner path. I was still caught up in the outer path. And this is where like, inner alignment with integrity and inner honesty will always prevail. And the outcome will always be aligned with the prevailing intention. So I say that because it's so important for you to know what it is you're looking for and what you're looking to do. So I stopped changing of, oh, I want to be, this is why I used to say, I want to be enlightened. What does that even mean? That's just the word. That's just the word that the illusion that there is going to be a moment in time, a destination when you will be, I've been enlightened now. No, you are enlightening. There is no moment of enlightenment. There isn't. You're just constantly enlightening. So I say that in the long run, the ultimate guide is actually your inner self, your higher self, your spirit, consciousness, whatever you want to have, refer to it as. It's, it's, it lives this life of non-duality, but we're on a path in this video game in this three-dimensional reality of connecting of remembering it. So this is why devotion or pathways or practices are chosen. And this is what we call people back in the day we call them mystics. They are, they're, they're, they're essentially, they were essentially people who have these inner experiences. They had inner alignment and they were on a path to expand who they were and they were having these transcendental experiences. And it's lightweight. Like, how do they do that? How did the issue of beniosive do that? How did, uh, Suddartefog, Guadamah, how did the Buddha, how did they do that? How did they, and this is where their followers created teachings. And this is where we get religion. So for the serious one, right, the mystic, the dedicated search for enlightenment is energized by their intention and then it's empowered by their devotion, which then leads to the inner search for truth instead of the outside, which is characterized by meditation or yoga or contemplative lifestyle. You see what I'm saying? So like, even though in the beginning the search for like it may be like exploratory investigative or like, like experiential experimental, like we're trying to figure out what, what, what, what works like I was doing what works as time goes on, it becomes the predominant motive or the core of your, your prevailing dedication of who you actually are. So now I've gone from meditating maybe once a week or maybe you know every when I, when I need it or like to now it's just like literally like how you brush your teeth every day. Maybe you don't brush your teeth. Maybe some people do. I don't know. I'm assuming that you do. But it becomes just a practice. So it's common. So, so I say that because spirituality essentially is the act of you evolving internally first. Internally, spirituality deals with the inner world first when we do a couple episodes ago when we talked about the, the, the how your life is just a mirror, think alike the spirituality is, is dealing with the image. And then religion is basically the outer world is dealing with the reflection. But this is why we were seeing people are getting caught up and because essentially the outer world was just the effect of the inner world. This is why we developed religion. Religion was developed. So those who could not, who maybe weren't on that path, they would at least have framework to, of what to follow. But because like I said with words and semantics, we end up losing what we were supposed to be, what, what, what initially what it was saying. So I want to make sure that I don't jump around too much. There's some terms though that we need to need, we need to know. Consciousness. Consciousness. Okay. We throw that word around a lot. But we need to understand what consciousness is. Consciousness is everything. There's nothing that it's not. It's, it's, it's sometimes referred to as energy. Sometimes we refer to it as being we refer to it as spirit. If you look at the definition of consciousness, it's really not an easy definition because there's like five different definitions of it. The word consciousness derives from two words. The Latin word, the Latin verb, which is sire, which means to know.
then the Latin preposition, which has come, which means with. So consciousness etymology, etymologically speaking means to know with. So if we look at the Oxford dictionary definition of it, one definition is a joint or mutual understanding. Another definition of this is internal knowledge or conviction, especially of one's own ignorance, guilt, deficiencies and so forth. Third definition of it is the fact or state of being conscious or aware of anything. The fourth definition, the state or faculty of being conscious as a condition or concomitant of all thought feeling, involution. The fifth definition, the totality of the impressions, thoughts and feelings, which make up a person's being. The state of being conscious regarded as the normal condition of healthy waking life. So these are just the definitions that have essentially been given to us by the dictionary for us to use as a framework, but understand what I'm talking about consciousness. If you have religious context, I'm talking about basically spirit and spirit is everything. There's nowhere that it's not and I'm going to show you how in science, there's a similarity. There's a parallel between this thing that we call a photon of light or energy and spirit. And then you look at religion and how they talk about God. There's a parallel between a photon of light, which is omnipresent. It's everywhere. It carries all information. It has all knowledge. It's omnichence. It's all powerful. It carries the same characteristics as these these characters in the Bible. So first before we get started with that, we need to understand basically religion. See, I used to think religion was like Christianity was absolute. Like that was it. That was fact. That's what it is. But then I started. My wife got a job with church of God ministries a couple years ago and I remember she came and she told me she's like, yeah, work church of God, but they're non-denominational or there this. And they're like, wait, wait, what is that? What is that mean? What is that? Tell me. I don't understand. She's like, well, you know, like you have like Baptist, you have Catholic, you have like Protestant, you have evangelical, you have Methodist. And I'm like, wait, huh? So they all believe in God and like Jesus and stuff. She's like, yeah, yeah. No, yeah. And I'm like, wait, so wait, wait, wait. So I don't understand. My mind couldn't grab it. I couldn't understand it. So you need me to tell me you all believe in like God and then Jesus, but yet you have your own like system. I don't, I don't understand. And then and then your system has like different rules or like different like principles than this. But yet you got. So then, so then my religion of what I mean actually isn't absolute. Then is it? That's when everything just everything just blew up. I was I can't explain the amount of emotions that I had just like, wait, wait, what? How? What? And then I realized that religion was man made, man made. So then for if it's man made, that means it has to be mind made. And if it's mind made, then it's going to be of the ego. You see? And if it's of the ego, it's going to create separation. Do you see? See, the spirit knew that then nothing was nothing was separate. The spirit knew, the spirit knew that everything was one. It was oneness as as as the book proclaims. Do you see? So now I realized that that moment, wait, this is, oh, that's why they had the the crusades and and we see wars started over religious beliefs because they're man made. They're not actually absolute. Is there something that's absolute? Which is why we have over 300 religions because they're all just mind made perceptions. They're all just what what a man has created to fit its spiritual path. Do you see? So this one goes back to spirituality. We created a framework to help us with this experiential subjective spiritual experience that we're having. So we generalize it through religion. So here, how many times do we have someone has a dream? Someone to have a dream and then like, or you have a dream and then you tell somebody that dream and you know for sure that you had that dream that you experienced. I just had a dream last night. I was riding around in a matte black Bentley and I had this house with this U-shaped driveway. I experienced it without a doubt. I experienced it, but I can't prove it. But here's what I could do. I could go and preach this and tell my followers and tell all my my people under me and tell them everything and then they would then create a framework so they too could have that same experience. But because they did not have the same experience that I did, they had to do it through teaching with parables. Do you see how this works? That's why Jesus spoke in parables. So every teacher always spoke in metaphors and in analogies and parables. It was because the only way to to essentially create this framework around this this transcendental teacher's teachings was to speak in code because they themselves have not had had not experienced it. So now we create all of these different religions based on our own world perspective because everybody in their own wherever you are, I travel to 70 different countries. I can tell you every place has this different perspective. We can go we can go just in the United States. Some people call it soda. Some people call it pop. Some call it uh uh I don't know what else they call it. But they have well, all these different names, but we're talking and experiencing the same different same thing. It will be based upon your region, the vibration, the frequency, or where you're at. So if you look at this, if you just look at what's going on, like we look at religion, right? Some of the major religion we have Christianity. Their teachings are the path of love and forgiveness, right? Their mystics, their teachers, the ones who have these transcendental experiences, they are called nostics. Buddhism. The Buddhism is the path of compassion. Their teachers who have these transcendental experiences, aka mystics, it's called Zen Buddhism. We have Judaism. Judaism is the path of living by sacred law. Who are their mystics? Who are the mystical teachings created after the Kabbalists? That's why we have the Kabbalah. Islam, the path of submission to the will of God. The Sophie's. I can go on and on and on. Taoism, the path of ultimate reality. Hinduism, the path of knowledge and action and devotion, who are their mystics, the Vedanta's. So every single religion had its teacher who was quote unquote enlightened in all that meant was that spiritually they were tapped into their higher self. They were in the physical plane, but there was unison with the spiritual plane, their higher self, their spirit, their consciousness, whatever. Their ego had been dissolved enough to the point that they could have direct unison with it. So we create these religions. Okay, so stay with me here. Stay with me because this is going to help you a lot. Okay, so we started off with polytheism. Polytheism, when you see like look at like the Greeks, they had the Greek God. So all this is essentially that we created polytheism religion to it's relating to or characterized by a belief or a worship in more than one God. So what happens is the state of reaching enlightenment becomes impractical because the mind conceptualizes in terms of cause and effect and then the followers conceive of themselves as being driven, implying like inner willpower instead of the reality that they are actually being attracted to it by their religion. So through this situation, so I say that because we've got to give it the definition of religion as well. I'm jumping around a lot but stay with me. Religion is the belief in and a worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or God's. So the etymology of religion comes from the old French or from the Latin word religion, which means obligation bond reverence based upon the Latin word reglaire, which means to bind. Okay, are you staying with me here? So the two main premises behind religion are belief and superhuman, meaning it's outside of man's concept of what man it's it transcends man. So belief, the definition of that is trust and faith or confidence in something or someone, superhuman having a showing or exceptional ability to overpowers. So now what we've just done is we have created this transcendental experience that we are all incapable of having but now we have put it and made it outside of us by by creating it to be superhuman and now the only
way for you to even conceive of that is to have a belief. Do you see? So think of it like this. Spirituality is the is is is the whole glow, the whole world in religion is a continent. And then we go on that continent, that one continent, and we think this is the whole world. It's not the whole world. It is not. So this is what we this is what I say was the biggest thing that fractured my soul. My ego was like, no, was when I realized that my religion was just really just one perspective of this universal truth. And I had to figure out what is this universal truth? All these different religions, there has to be something that they're all talking about. You mean to tell me there's over 300 religions was I don't know how many different deities there are, but you mean to tell me that there's all these different deities, even just like with Christianity in Islam and Hinduism, I was like, so wait, is God like yo yo yo Allah? You got you got the you got the islams, right? You got you're going to make them. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Yo, Krishna, Krishna, what's up with Brahmin? Is Brahmin, is he going to take care of everybody on that side of the globe or what who's making those? And I realized I'm like, wait, there has to be an absolute, there has to be one thing. There has to be one thing. And this is what we're going to get to. So we have science. And then we have a, sorry, we have spirituality. We have religion and see understand see religion is based upon the exoteric understanding of the physical and spiritual world, exoteric, exo, that means outside of you, spirituality is based upon the esoteric understanding of the spiritual world and how it pertains to the physical world. So here's why we're here's the biggest way with religion. The spiritual world is the effect of the physical world. Do you see? So physical devotion creates the spiritual experience with esoteric teachings of religion with esoteric teachings of spirituality. Basically, the spiritual world, the unseen is what dictates the physical world. So that's why spirituality actually it would have had to have come first before religion, which is why religion was just the effect of spirituality, spirituality created religion because it's like, wait, what, what, how are people? Wait, he has to know all this. How is he, how is he understand this? How is under? We got to figure out a way to do this. So what do we do? We create a framework. We create a template. We create a box. And if you follow these guidelines, if you follow this doctrine, then you too will hopefully achieve what this teacher is telling us. But because it gets misconstrued, we over here. We're so far away from it. We thought heaven was out there. We thought heaven was in the sky. We pray to God outside of us. When God, we, we, we, but we'll go to church and it tells us God is omnipresent. Well, if something is omnipresent, omnipresent is Greek for the word all. It means that it's everywhere. There's nowhere that it's not, including you. And you know what? When you look at it, the teacher was telling you the kingdom of God is found within you. Do not look and say, low, behold there, low, behold there. He who says that is deceiver. It's not inside, it's not on the outside. It's inside of you. But we've been so conditioned because we get taught because out of state of fear, we're afraid to ask and learn and go on our own journey. But the path of the path, the way, the light that Jesus was saying was the path of you and your understanding. That was how was the inner world. So people say, well, no, Jesus is our Lord and savior. You're right. Jesus is the Lord and savior. Jesus is your Lord and savior. Jesus is your Lord and savior because Jesus was you. It was the inner part of you. Why do you think he said, I am, I am that I am. It was going to be whatever you needed it to be. It was every time you proclaimed the I am, it was what we call consciousness spirit, whatever you refer to it as. So this is where we get misconstrued over time to think that Jesus was something outside of us. And then we worship it and he who is holding the thing that we are worshiping is actually the thing that has control over you. So now you can't even think for yourself because you live in a perpetual state of fear because it's this notion of I got to get to there. I got to get to there. I got to make sure that I do this so I can get to there. There is no there. All the thing, the only thing that existed was here. That's all that existed was here. And now there is no there. That was the illusion that the ego created. You see, so this is the whole concept of heaven. The concept of heaven was that it was outside of you. When Jesus told you in Luke 17 21, he told you it was inside of you. So how can something be inside? I mean, I'm chasing on the outside because who is holding what's outside of you will essentially control you? Do you see? Let's take a break there. I threw a lot at you. Hear me when I'm saying this. I'm not coming from a place of duallie. I'm not I'm not I'm not putting down religion. I'm not putting I'm not putting down spiritual. I'm not I'm just giving you. I'm just giving you the facts of of from my perception and this level of awareness that I'm at right now of how I perceive it. Okay. Maybe continue on. We may. Okay. So now we have science. Science is the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experimentation. So essentially, this is what happens with science. Science works only when you can measure it. So if you can't measure it, that means it's not real. That's what we call materialism. So if I can't measure it, it's not real. You see? Well, I can tell you one thing. Science can't measure a feeling. Science still does not know what a feeling is. They know the effect of a feeling, but they don't know what a feeling is. Do you see? So because they don't know what a feeling is, we don't give much to it. So we ignore our feelings. We actually get taught to ignore our feelings, but little did you know your feelings are actually more real than your thoughts. So my point of this is is because we can't measure something, we think it's not real. I can list a lot of things. You can't measure your great, great grandparents. You don't know if they actually live. You see pictures of them. You hear about them, but you don't know for your fact because you actually, you actually have not measured them with the five senses, but so you for sure do not know what they actually existed. But we assume. So I say this because this is what happens was is basically religion and spirituality become complete opposites and science becomes and gets wedged in there because if it's not real, sorry, if you can't measure it, it's not real. Well, that's the whole spiritual world. That's the whole spiritual world. So science is going to be delayed. It's my point. Science is going to be so far behind because it can only measure what is in the physical material world. Not quantum physics though. I like to call quantum physics spiritual science. They started to catch up now. This is why Niko let Tesla. That's why who else we can say Albert Einstein, we start to study their teachings and you listen, these dudes were, these dudes were mystics. They were mystics. That's what they were. They were mystics. That's what I had a scientific understanding past supreme anyone else, Elon Musk, another one, say what you want. I'm going to get into a little later, but anyway, let's keep going. So the antithesis of the material realism is monochistic idealism. In this philosophy, consciousness, not matter is fundamental, meaning spirit comes first. Both the world matter and the world of the mental phenomena such as thoughts are determined by consciousness. So monochistic idealism is a unitary philosophy, meaning any subdivisions divisions such as the imminent and the transcendent, those fall within consciousness. So thus consciousness is the only ultimate reality. Another word for consciousness is spirit. So let me say that sentence again for you. Okay, let me repeat that within this monochistic idealism is a unitary philosophy that any subdivisions such as the imminent and the transcendent all fall with the spirit thus spirit is the only ultimate reality. So in the Christian world, the names of the transcendent and imminent realism are called heaven and earth. Here's what happens though, our everyday usage fails to recognize the origin of these notions in the monochistic idealism. Beyond the kingdom of heaven and earth is a Godhead in the king of the kingdoms and the kingdoms do not exist separately from the king. The king is the kingdoms. So this is why I try to tell you many times that you were it. It was you because you are just consciousness and everything is consciousness and there is no separation between it and anything else. So when we look around us, normally what we see is we only see physical matter. We see the physical world. We see the physical plane. So heaven is not a tangible object of ordinary perception. This is not only what leads us to refer to matter as quote unquote real, but it's also what induces us to accept a realist philosophy that proclaims matter and its alternate form, which we call energy, to be the only reality. So this is where the mystic comes in. So in our everyday experiences of this world, there's evidence that's all
all around us that things are material and separate from each other and from us, right? Mental experiences such as thoughts, they don't seem like they're material, so we've developed this dualistic philosophy that basically says that mind and body are separate domains. So because of these shortcomings of duality, of dualism, it can't be explained how a separate non-material mind interacts with a material body. If there are such mind-body interactions, then there have to be an exchange of energy between these two domains. I can't see your thoughts, but your thoughts somehow, somehow have an effect on your physical body. And we know that brains are not the root of consciousness. This has been quantified by science. Do you see? So quantum physics has proven that consciousness is fundamental to this universe, and it is the mechanism that manifested this entire physical universe. Consciousness is not mind. This is where you need to be aware of the semantic confusion. Consciousness is a relatively recent word in English dictionary in the English language as well. The word mind is often used to denote consciousness, especially in older literature. Instead, material objects, like, let's just say a ball, right? Like a ball. In mental objects, such as a thought of a ball are both objects within consciousness. So in an experience, there is the subject who is the experiencer and then the object. So we have the object, which is the ball. And then we have the subject who is thinking of the ball. So what's the nature of this observer or this experiencer? According to monistic idealism, the consciousness of the subject is in a subject object experience. The same consciousness that is the grounds of all being. So the thing that is observing is the same thing that is creating this entire physical universe. So therefore, consciousness is actually unitive and there is only one subject consciousness and we are all that consciousness. We're all it. There is no separation. There's only one consciousness. So then why do we why do we feel separate? That's what people ask, well, how come so then if we're all if we're all one, then how come I feel? How come you're separate? This is what the mystics would refer to as the illusion. If you look in the Hinduism, they refer to it as Maya. If we meditate on the true nature of what we actually are, our self, spirit, consciousness, you will find that all of these these, this illusion that's been going on for ages and times that we found, you'll basically find that like the ancient teachings were always saying that there was only one consciousness behind all this diversity. So the consciousness or subject or self goes by a bunch of different names. So like the Hindus refer to it as the Atman, the Christians call it the Holy Spirit, Quaker Christians call it the inner light. So this is where physics comes in, right? Quantum physics. So basically, let's understand the material world and that basically like Isaac Newton is the reason why we refer or think that everything is separate because Isaac Newton studied the material world. But when you understand Isaac Newton, Isaac Newton knew that there was an unseen force that was dictating the scene forces, but he was only allowed to study the material world because basically the spiritual world, the unseen world, the church said we got it. We got it. So which is why basically Isaac Newton was considered a heretic within the Christian community. So they threw everything out that he was saying on the that was that this unseen world is actually creating the scene. If we just look at our world now, look at look at look at our house, look at our look at this look at everything. And it was basically the creation of thought. I'm sitting here on this microphone and somebody had created this this this microphone through their imagination and then took the next step and actually putting together ingredients and ingredients materials to create this microphone. But it first started with a thought. It was the unseen world. So this is where like people think the reason why we're so hung up on Newtonian physics, it's because it essentially matches, it matches our our our belief system of what's think about we say in God, we trust in church. I mean, in school or in the like everything is this monolithic idealism. So this was how it started. But the key is is realizing like how mysticism and quantum physics are actually like the same thing. The mystics knew quantum physics without knowing it. If you read the chivalron, if you read the hermetica, hermese, trismagistus, if you read these teachings, it's quantum physics one and one Jesus Jesus was talking on a quantum level. He was teaching quantum physics, but you'd have no quantum physics to know that he was teaching it. But because we don't get taught quantum physics, we only get taught Newtonian physics, we think he was just saying stuff and you have to purely just believe. No, when you actually understand how things work on a quantum level, it makes perfect sense. What are you saying? So now his teachings hit just a little bit differently. So until the present interpretation of these new physics of quantum physics, until we understand it, the word transcendence was seldom mentioned in the vocabulary of physics. Actually, the word transcendent was considered herit, like only the heretics used that word. So physicists, Alan Aspect did an experiment that showed when two quantum objects are correlated. If we measure one, thus collapsing the wave into a particle, the other's wave function is instantly collapsed as well, even at a macroscopic distance, macroscopic distance, even when there is no signal in space and time to mediate their connection. Einstein proved that all connections and interactions in the physical world must be mediated by signals traveling through space. This is the locality principle. And thus must be limited by the speed of light. So then the question of where does this instantaneous connection between the two, where does with quantum objects, what is responsible for this? And here's the answer. It's the transcendent domain of reality. This is what we call nonlocality. So this is why when something we hear like the CIA did this experiment called the Gateway Project, where they could see if they could spy on people in other world, it's because your consciousness is nonlocal. It's everywhere. It's not just here. So we have something called astral projection. When you go, what else when you go into like you have a dream, this is you essentially moving to other places of of consciousness, because consciousness is everywhere. There's nowhere that it's not. So my point of this is, it's getting to you to understand why you don't know what you know and why there seems to be a separation between the two. And now that we know this, we can start to see how religion of what it was actually trying to show you, but what were it failed. And why we don't get it now, we think that all three are different. Okay. So I try to think and I say this to you. So your life is basically just a, it's a spiritual opportunity for consciousness to evolve and reach and ascend to this level of, um, and what we call enlightenment, but essentially recognizing that nothing is separate. So when you start thinking of life as that, it's a spiritual endeavor in and of itself. It's the expression of itself through itself. So there is no, there is no separation between you and I. You and I are still just the one thing. This is what Walter Russell in 1926 when he wrote the book called the universal one. He referred to everything as being the one substance. Everything is the one thing. It has all these different minds, but that's all it is. We are all just the same thing. When you recognize that, now you can start to live from the place of the non-ego, which, not duality, which basically created your suffering. This was what created it. So I say this to you. Here's what I did. I was, I was, I was heavily involved, right? I was in the Christian world. I actually just did something last week and I promised myself I wouldn't. And here's why I wouldn't do it anymore because here's why I found the limitations. I saw when you see what you actually are. You are, you are consciousness. You are everywhere. You are everything. There's nothing that you could not be or do, but we place confines on ourselves. So we fit within the framework of this of whatever the structure is. But you are infinite. You were never, this is why we say you had to think outside the box. You had to think outside the box because you were bigger than the box. And that's why you may feel frustration or you may feel anger. You feel resentment towards a specific group or their beliefs or their teachings. That's just the ego trying to, you're staying inside of a box that you're actually bigger than just because you're bigger than it. Doesn't mean you're, you're more than it. Do you see? So this is what we have to understand by physical, physical universe. This universe is not just observable. It is participatory. You are the user.
universe. It is you. It is you. This is why like like, oh, we manifest. That's why you literally manifest things because you're it. You are it, but you had to recognize what the you were. The you was not the physical body. That's not you. So that's why when I say stuff, you're like how explain to me how we're all one. It's because you thought you were you were dag on body. You thought you were your thoughts. You ain't none of those things. You're not. That's why you can't grasp it because the ego keeps you in this perpetual cycle cycle of the three dimensional plane. You had to get to the five D when you recognize that, then you'll see that. Oh my goodness. We're all one. We're all the same thing. We are literally consciousness experiencing itself in this avatar in this game. So maybe I probably did a terrible job of breaking this down for you. But if you don't know what quantum physics is, I'm just going to show you. I'm just going to tell you what it is. Okay. I'm just going to go through this. Okay. There's something that we need to understand. The double split experiment in this experiment, basically a beam of electrons is passed through a screen that has two narrow slits in it. Since electrons are waves, the beam of split, the beam is split into two sets of waves by the two slitted screen. These waves then interfere with any one of one another and the result of the interference shows up on the fluorescence for us at screen. So I imagine throwing a puddle, mean a pebble and puddle and it creates these ripples and these ripples bounce into each other. Because I threw another rock into the water and now I create this like these ripples. Boom boom boom like all these ripples and it hits this board and you see all of these ripples. It's not just. I can't visually show you. I'm trying to describe it. It just be like lines all over the place. Okay. So for an e here's here's here's basically the breakdown of what the double split experiment is. If you're not familiar with this like standing a bathtub fill a wall fill the bathtub with water make two water wave transits by trains by rhythmically marching in place. The waves will make an interference pattern at some points. They will reinforce each other at other points. They will cause mutual destructions. This is the interference pattern. So similarly, there are places on the fluorescent screen when they did this experiment where the electron waves form the two slits arrive in phase matching their dance steps at these places their amplitude of their frequency and the total wave is reinforced in between these bright spots. There are places where the two waves arrive out of phase and cancel each other out. The result of this constructive and destructive interference then shows on the fluorescent screen as a pattern of alternating bright and dark fringes hence an interference pattern. So remember though that these electron waves are probability waves. I mean, they can be anything. So the question asked what if there is only one electron field. Sorry, what if there's only one electron fired? Can it split itself and behave as a particle passing through both splits? Quantum mechanics says yes. Imagine electron passing 50% through one slit and then 50% through the other slit. Is this electron really passing through both slits at the same time? You can find out by looking. This is what we call the observer effect. So when we watch and see the electron passing through a particular slit we look to see where the flash appears on the fluorescent screen. What we find is that every time an electron goes through a slit it flashes. Sorry, the flash appears just behind the slit that it passes through. The interference pattern has now disappeared. So what's happening in this experiment can be understood in the first place as a play of the uncertainty principle. As soon as we locate the electron and determine which slit it passes through we lose information about the electrons momentum. The uncertainty principle says that as soon as we determine which slit the electron is passing through the process of looking destroys the interference pattern. So it's based upon the observer. The complementarity principle states that quantum objects are both wave and particle but that we can only see the one attribute with the particular experimental arrangement is certainly correct, but our experience is teaching us some subtleties. So here's the whole point. Okay. So if here's an example of it, we may also say that the electron is neither a wave because the wave aspect never manifests for a single electron nor is it a particle because it appears at the screen at places that there's an interference pattern. So we must admit that the photon of light also called energy is neither a wave nor a particle. And this is much to the logic of the Buddhist tradition of the neti. Not this, not that. And it goes like this. It does not exist. It does not not exist. It does not both exist and not exist nor does it neither exist nor not exist. This is from the Buddhist teachings. So basically the wave function of a quantum object is transcendent since we never see it manifest. So as physicists, kneels, boars once said, those who are not shocked when they first come across quantum theory cannot possibly understand it. So the key is to understand that the all consciousness is inside of everything. And it's fully aware and it behaves based on what is observing it, just like your life. Your life is merely just a reflection of how you observe it. The observation is taking place on the inside, which is why life has to mirror it. So when you localize the electron by finding out which slit it goes through, we reveal its particle aspect. That's when it materializes itself into what we call matter. So what attribute is the quantum wave of cool or quantum particle? What it reveals depends on how it is observed. Do you see? So physicists John Wheeler who just won a Nobel Peace Prize for this here about two or three months ago. He says, yes, nature at the quantum level is not a machine that goes in an X inexorable way. Instead, what answer we get depends on the question we put, the experiment we arrange and the register and device we choose. We are inescapably involved in bringing about which appears to happen. Let me say that one more time for the people in back. We are inescapably involved in bringing about that which appears to be happening. I could probably stop right there and be done. The long and the short of quantum physics to understand. You must give up the idea that there is a fixed and independent material world that is not contingent on the observer. Even though we are not actually observing the quantum world, you cannot physically see it. So ultimately it boils down to what you the observer want to see. This is why episodes ago when I did the episode about life is a mirror. This is you quantum on the quantum realm breaking it down the wave into a particle. So you could be and do anything that you desire. It's literally the same thing. So when you observe yourself on the inner world as you are, that is the quantum world and the quantum world was what dictated the material world. So if I want to be a millionaire, all I had to do was collapse those waves through thought, emotion and action and being a millionaire internally. And then it would collapse itself in the material world and there were infinite possibilities because the waves were pure potentiality of how it would transpire manifest itself. So now that's the quantum world. When you understand this, Mark 1124, it hits a little differently when you read in Jesus says, whatever you asked for in prayer, prayer was just you prayer was an intentional thought. Prayer was, um, um, prayer was you essentially observing what you wanted to see. Dear God, please help me. That was you centralizing how you wanted the waves to collapse. And when you observe that and then you believe that it had already happened because on the quantum level, the only thing that exists is the present moment infinitely. All I had to do was be that. And when I was that in the present moment, it would have to show itself. How do you think Jesus healed people? How do you think he healed people? You can heal yourself. You can heal other people because everything is the one thing. There's nothing that's not. there's nothing that is not. There is nothing that is not it, literally everything. So when people say oh, God is everything. There's nothing that God isn't. God is everything, because God was this one substance, this one energy, this one force, this one thing called consciousness that was everywhere. There was there was no, how do you? Like, I hope I'm breaking this down. I hope I'm, I hope I'm I'm connecting the parallels for you to see that like.
there was no separation between any of these things. There was no spirituality came first, religion came second, and then science is only telling what spirituality is already. Do you see? Do you see? So here's what's changed. My relationship with God has changed drastically. I stop thinking of God as being something foreign or this man with a beard who's sitting on a cloud touching Adam's finger, who has supreme dominion over everything. And now I realize that there's nothing that isn't God. And this is what we were supposed to do. We were supposed to see God in everything. I was supposed to see God in myself. I was supposed to see God in you. I was supposed to see God in the tree. I was supposed to see God in the blade of grass. I was supposed to see God in the beggar. I was supposed to see God in a mirror. I was supposed to see God in the water. I was supposed to see God in every single thing because every single thing was it. And this is what we call oneness. And I actually, when I say God, I'm not speaking of it from a religion that I learned in a book. I, when I say God, I always make sure that I don't say it anymore in a, I don't use a pronoun. I don't say he anymore. I say it. Do you see? It. And the reason I do that is so I can better understand and break, break through because, you know, I say, what if I say he then now it's outside of me, but I say it is everywhere. And this is what oneness was. This is what this is all we're on a journey. We're on a journey to remember, to remember, to remember. I and the Father are one. You had to know who the I was. The I was not the avatar in Jesus. The I was you. It was I. It was me. We were all in. I. I. So every time you say I, I know who's saying that. It was consciousness. And you started looking at all the ancient teachings. They were all saying this. Everything is energy. There's nothing that's not energy. We just throw it a word energy around, but we don't even know what every time you say energy, you know what you're talking about? You don't know what God. You talk about everything. You're talking about spirit. You're talking about consciousness. So that's why you had to protect your energy. You had to guard that. You had to guard it, protecting which life because it was your life force. So these are just some of the few teachings that I'm remembering on this journey, to remember. So I can help you along your journey. I hope this helped. I hope this helped. I had it in my mind of how I would have to do it, but it maybe, I don't know if it came out the way I wanted. It's okay though. It's okay. Continue on. Find your way. Know that your way is your way. We're all the same thing on different paths. We're all in different paths right now. But we're all leading to the same place. No matter what it may look like. If you, I mean, you gotta go down this road or you gotta go down. So I study a little bit of everything now. I study everything. I study everything. Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity, all of it. Because I know that they're all just one perspective. They're just sorry. They're just individual perspectives of the one truth. Now that I know the absolute truth, now I know that what is, and I had to go, I had to get out of religion to go into spirituality. And then I had to get out of spirituality, go into science. And now I've gotten three sides of it. Oh wait, is this the Trinity? Notice how everything is always in three to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Spirit, mind and body. You see, it's just different perspectives of the one truth. Now that I know the one truth, now these three perspectives all hit differently. You see, and within each perspective, there was gonna be multiple perspectives. So I say that because how I got here was just my path in my way. I cannot tell you how to follow your own. You have to follow your own, but just make the process. And here's how you do it. You start by asking questions. There's nothing wrong with asking plus questions. This contemplate of exercise, if you ask questions, is how you're gonna find your way. And when you get on your path, good God, Al-Gruhmati, you'll know when you're on it. You'll know when you're on it, and it will be so worth it because there's nothing more worth it in this incarnation that you remember and what you truly were before you forgot. Until next time, I wish you nothing but the best on the pathway to your results. (gentle music)
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The host argues that religion, science, and spirituality are interconnected facets of the same universal truth, not separate entities.
Spirituality is defined as the internal, experiential journey of understanding one's spirit or consciousness, which evolves over time.
Religion is presented as an external, man-made framework of beliefs and practices created to help followers access the transcendental experiences of mystics or teachers.
The discussion highlights how religious divisions and conflicts arise from these human-created, ego-based structures, which can create separation despite the core spiritual concept of oneness.
The episode aims to bridge these concepts by suggesting that elements like consciousness (spirituality), God (religion), and fundamental particles like photons (science) may describe the same omnipresent, unifying reality.
Summary:
In this podcast episode, host Derek Grant explores the interconnectedness of religion, science, and spirituality, positing they are different sides of the same coin. He defines spirituality as the internal, evolving quest to understand one's spirit or consciousness, often involving practices like meditation. In contrast, religion is described as an external, man-made system of beliefs and worship, created to provide a framework for the transcendental experiences described by mystical teachers.
The host argues that while spirituality deals with the inner cause, religion often focuses on the outer effect, leading to perceived separation and conflict among different faiths. He shares a personal revelation about the non-absolute nature of religions, noting they are mind-made and numerous. The episode concludes by suggesting that the core concepts across these domains—such as consciousness in spirituality, God in religion, and fundamental energy in science—may all point toward a single, unified, and omnipresent reality.
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They are different sides of the same coin and are all connected, not separate. The host aims to show they are essentially one unified concept.
Spirituality is the quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul, focusing on the inner world and understanding of self, consciousness, and the non-physical realm.
Religion was developed as a man-made framework to help those not on a direct spiritual path, often created by followers of mystics who had transcendental experiences.
Different religions arise from varied cultural perspectives and interpretations of spiritual experiences, leading to over 300 religions as mind-made perceptions to fit spiritual paths.
Consciousness is described as everything, synonymous with spirit or energy, and is omnipresent, carrying all information and power, similar to concepts in religion and science.
Spirituality deals with the inner world and personal evolution, while religion is an outer framework or reflection created to guide collective belief and practice.
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