031: [Science Education] Napag-Iiwanan Ba Talaga Ang Pilipinas Sa Science Education? (with Sabrina Ongkiko)

So ako ikaw is tujante, imaginin mo aning naliniinig nakitita na raram daman, et cetera, et gagamitan mayon. Kasi the magic of science is that it can make every day things extra ordinary. Diba, because you get to understand how things work. You point out what's extra ordinary in the ordinary. For example, ordinari ng nakitan natin yung plaud. Pero ang tanong para ang bahagit ganyan syakaflaofi. Diba, so you make it parang how do you phrase it so that it becomes extra ordinary for kids who see the clouds every day. Diba, parang air. What's so interesting about the air we breathe every day? Your lungs that you have with you, diba, na gili mo napapan sen working right now. So mitsan yung lang, it's just pointing it out, na. Do you know that your lungs are working right now, parang ganon? Diba, oh, why don't you just put it in jail, just put it in jail, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it. So it's really that, like, making it magical for them. The Ask Theory podcast shines the spotlight on pinoe scientists from various scientific disciplines. Listen to some of the country's best scientific minds as they explain what they do in simple terms and share fascinating stories of how they come into science. The incredible things they've learned about the world around us, and so much more. Hi teachers, Ab. Hi, Mikael. How's it going? Okay, then we're going to school here, right? Wow, so what are you going to do next? I'm not sure if you've heard of it, but hopefully you've heard of it after this, yeah. It's important to put a work-life balance, of course, whatever you do, you have to put a balance in your work-life balance. So I'm really excited to finally get to talk to you. I've wanted to have you on the show for a long time. Thank you, actually, for inviting me. It's a pleasure to be here with you, so I'm glad to be here with you. I'm really excited to be here with you. But let's put it in the podcast so we can talk to each other behind the scenes of our project. Yes. So can you tell us a bit about yourself, what you do, and how you got interested in science? I'm in a public school teacher at the Columbia Elementary School. I'm here to study physics, science, and English. But for this year, because of our English teacher, I'm already in English, solely. But for 11 years, I've been teaching elementary school science. So I'm really interested in science. When I was a kid, I didn't know what to say. I was the type of kid who was going to teach me, so I was like, "What are you doing here?" I was like, "What are you doing here?" I was like, "Oh, it's a school, isn't it?" Because I was like, "What are you doing here?" I was like, "Oh, it's a school, isn't it?" Because I was like, "Oh, it's a school, isn't it?" I was like, "Oh, it's a school, isn't it?" Because I was like, "Oh, it's a school, isn't it?" So, we have to teach our students how to memorize it in that one way, right? Yes. I make them think of an acronym. So, the student in the middle of the class called Michael V. He was excited to be in the first class. Wow! So, he was excited to be in the first class. and with friends, see Albert, Sakasi Robert, magma son. and then di ba? Da, ming listahan ako kaya nabisong. Kaya may dalawang, kaya may dalawang. Redo sos din, isang for kids, isang for teachers. So, yung for kids every Saturday noon. And it'll now, naman. It's a has program to journey with the kids and their questions. No, this pandemic. And then the Thursday one, which ended, was for teachers naman. That's really science. No, so Rajuturugurok science with Rina, Reyes, my partner. Which I miss, no, I miss Rina and I miss Rina. Yeah, oh my god. And the guests, and dogs. Yes, all my science communication. And finally, we released our ababakubna series, our CN series to help people decide to get vaccinated. And I'm really lucky to have work with you and Elbrit and Rina on that. I would definitely say the same thing and so, yung ababakubna, just to share with our listeners. We collaborated on a short series of comics, talking about people's fears and reservations about the vaccine to help shed some light on some questions and hopefully persuade more people to get vaccinated, to safeguard themselves from COVID-19. And I really hope it won't be the last of our CN series. I think, you know, more collaborations, hopefully. And it's really successful, yung first issue, and I think a lot of people from different parts of the country picked it up. Because what we did was, you know, it's an open source, meaning, you can call other creatives from different parts of the Philippines, your art and your script, and then translate their comics and their own, you know, dialect or language, you know. You know, more importantly, you know, together in the region or cities. So, I really hope that you can understand what you're talking about. It's very organic, you know, it's just like, you know, it's just like, you know, it's just like, you know, it's just like, you know, it's just like, you know, it's just like, you know. Thank you to all the people who used it and translated it. Because the desire that you have, this engine, you know, it's just like, you know, it's just like, you know. So yeah. Being realistic, there won't be like, super normal, normal, but as close to normal as possible, and to achieve that, we need to have vaccines. Exactly. So, we have a segment here where we have an imaginary seven-year-old child. So, we have a child who doesn't have a child who doesn't have a child who doesn't have a child. So, the purpose of this part is to explain to this small child a certain concept or idea related to your field of expertise. So, in this case, I would like you to talk to our imaginary seven-year-old child and explain to them, to them, to them, to them. And, you know, there's a steam, steam with an A. So, under an A, what is steam and what is steam? Okay. So, on steam, I science, technology, engineering, math. If with A, you A, by doing arts, by doing agriculture. So, everything that you see around you has steam in it, right? That you know amazing about steam. So, what questions do you have about the things you see? You hear, you feel, you taste, you smell, those can be explained and explored through STEM. And in STEM, you can study old stuff like the bones of dinosaurs, but you can also study future stuff. Like, what would the world be like if the sun dies? And, I'm amazing and wonderful about STEM is that it can help us solve the problems we experience now. Like, the melting glaciers, thought pollution, COVID-19, right? So, that's what we can learn from STEM. So, do not be afraid of STEM. It's an exciting field and a damning, you can learn to do that. And even if you don't want to be a scientist, even if you go to other fields, you can always use what you've learned in STEM because STEM is around, so you are. Seven-years-old is grade four, I think. Yeah, I think so. So, yeah, yeah, STEM and STEAM. Yeah. Why do you inspire me every day? You're like an exclamation. So, you can cover your heart. You're like an intro to science class, right? But, you're like the one who helped me in the first weeks of my class. When I was a kid, I was like, "What's your favorite in science?" I was like, "What's your favorite in science?" "What's your favorite in science?" And those are the kids who were taught in English, surely in science. But my goal was to teach them how to learn science. For the first time, we were taught how to study science. And for science, for every year, how many of you were taught? So, you're like a half-in-goal every year. You're like a half-in-goal. You're like a half-in-goal every year. So, as an educator, I'm sure that there's a lot of experiences like this. Maybe funny, maybe not so funny, and a lot of them inspiring. Especially the ones I read, the ones that share most of the social media. And, you know, it's nice to hear about these stories. So, I would like you to share some of your most memorable experiences as a science educator, this is a Pilipinas. And those crucial lessons or takeaways that I have from them. Yeah, it's a lot of time. But that's why I love science, because it's really. I mean, it's okay if you're in English because I'm reading English. But because the light up of the eyes of the kids is better. Then, science, because everything you see, you can do an example. So, it's like you're reading something new. So, if you're reading something new, it's a very favorite. Because if you're reading something without Trump, because you're doing what you're doing on your own, if you're reading something, I think we were discussing the lungs. And then, when you're reading something, it's like you're reading lungs. Because, as in, you're reading something, I'm not sure if you're reading something. I'm not sure if you're reading something, but I'm reading something. So, you're reading something that you're reading. And that's the moment. Those were my favorite experiences, moments that I capture and put it in my heart. Because that makes me realize that, wow, all kids. Because I've been teaching lower section for a section. It doesn't matter. It's like all kids can be interested in science, they have it in themselves. To be amazed, to learn. So, that's what I was reading in the class. I remember that we were discussing make sure. And then, I was asking for examples. It's like, oh, it's a solution. So, what if we're reading something new? What if we're reading something new? So, because we're discussing the things that are fine-outern, and it's all about liquid. So, I want them to have freedom to express what they want to learn. And if they're interested to know what happens when we mix chalk dust with water, then we do that. That's what we do when we do that. That's what I said. It's clear that they can do that. They can do that. They can do that. They can do that. They can do that. That's what I said. Sila asin sila naghanap ng solution, so that will have materials, which I think can mirror naman what they can do in real life. Kung wala ha-materias any one experiment. Tas may isa na kus, para pinagpag na yung eraser para ma-collecta yung mga socta. And we put it in the clear bottle, mas inag-observe sila. O nung una-awnti ilanginalo namin sa binamin. Matutuwunaw ba. Baam, damihan mo, mam. So sila nagdidictit, but they want to learn. And that's parang one of my, ahot, parang the whole time, I was just facilitating observing and sila yung tutu. Tapos nong naryalaisilana, atoy nangyare, ang tanong ko lang, sa natin category siya ilalagay. So think learn about, de ba, parang ganon. So yung mga favorite parts, because I like also integrating science with other subjects. Yung memorable experience naman na when we integrated science, English and math. So in math, they were learning about fractions. In English, they were learning about plural words, how to convert. And in science, we're learning about mixtures. So what we did, they got them in a mixology experiment. So in one worksheet, they had to mix fractions of whatever they want to make. So mile low versus they want to, they need to create a drink, because it's a mixology. Invent a drink. Napa e din natin. I bend, takonuare, ganyan. So there is the worksheet, a parang business entrepreneur proposal, ganyan sila. So, may drawing done ng tesub, and then the parts and the fractions of it. Aad nila yun, to make a hole de baga niyan. So, so may addition of fractions and then they have to write in sentence form yung parts. So they need to use like pluralization of fractions also. Ganon and they also learn about mixtures. So I know classic solution or any of the walk-mo what happened, observation et cetera. We want to show kids na hindi hiwahi wala yung subjects when you apply it in real life. De ba? Para everything's mixed together, everything's integrated. Yung last one that I want to share na nakatua is design thinking. Be it on kasi kaming problema sa library na man. Na when the kids go inside the library, they have to take off their shoes. Pero, because they're so excited to sit down quite effort on the floor ganyan. Nadudulah sila. So Sabinadmen, pano natin, we were discussing friction. So, along ni Sabinadmen, pano natin sa solutionan to. Gamitin natin yung idea na friction. So, the design anti-skinsok. So, the experimented on different materials that they can put on their own socks. And they tried it out. So, da ka katawin picture talaga nga nga glugan sila na nga robberban sa ilalina. What I want to measure is, what did you learn about friction? So, nagfail yung design mo, okay, but what did you learn? And that's what I grade, not the output per se. So, it doesn't matter if you fail, just let me know ganyan. So, yung yung ano. Ah, mga favorite moment. Sorry, and dam, yung dal dal. Kasi ko pinakwen to wana ako na malek favorite moment. Hindi na ako kigigay niyan. So, stop me. And I agree. Parang you can learn as many things from failure as you can from success. Yeah, and we shouldn't grade it, right? Yes, exactly. But knowing what not to do, you know, it's as important as knowing what to do. And sometimes you only figure out what to do by knowing what you shouldn't do. Ah, na isikoy nung binangit mo yung anti-skid. Sakswarang, that could have saved me so many times as a kid. I saan na na isipong ko rin magbesain ngan. Sana, next experiment ko rin. Pero, interesting sa akin na yung mention that when nungminakta nong about the chalk dust, you stopped and you had them like, try it out for themselves. Because that's one effective technique. Or, you know, getting young learners to really appreciate the lesson and apply it themselves. But, are there some other techniques and secrets that you can share? Lalo na for your own teachers the na hikinig sa podcast natin? To help kids understand science better and appreciate it better? Well, I always start from where they are. So, ano ba yung nakikita nela sa karanasan nela sa paligil nela? Nyo niyang part ng empathy also. Diba para empathy is putting yourself in their shoes. So, ikaw yung sujante imaginin mo ano yung narininig na hikitan na raram daman, et cetera, et gagamitan may on. Because the magic of science is that it can make everyday things extra ordinary. Because you, diba, because you get to understand how things work. For example, ordinary na hikitan natin yung cloud. Pero, ang tanong para ang bahakit ganyan syakaflaofi. Yung make it parang how do you phrase it so that it becomes extra ordinary for kids who see the clouds everyday. Diba, parang air. Your lungs that you have with you, diba, na? Hindi mo na papansin working right now. So, misan yung lang, yung just pointing it out, na? Do you know that your lungs are working right now? Parang ganon? Oh, ah, lo dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito, dito. So, it's really that, like, making it magical for them. Ang gololang naman yung ne? Parang knowing that this knowledge that you learn from the clouds from whatever you learn, parang yung can apply it to something else. Yung maganda sa science. Like what I've said earlier, I look at science topics, as tools. So, ang kino-turo ko talaga, katuladong minensyan natan kanina. Ay, how to think. Yung lagaamit ko lang yung topics in science. As an example of, ano ba natin pag-isipanto? So, yung halimbawa, memorizing stuff in a fun way, which they can use in other subjects. So, yung nemonix, they create their own song. So, like, yung ibang students go high school nangayon, but they can still remember the six simple machines because they thought of a song, too. Yung nag-isip, like, I just give an example. But, like, pag-gagawin namin as a class. And then they sing it and then they had fun. Like that, right? But it's really, I was teaching them how to memorize and put things in their braids and organized information. So, I teach them how to use mine maps to summarize their learning because something that they can use in other ways. I teach them observation. Like, they can think of different details and things like that. Because, like, they can teach them how to think and learn, how to take down notes. I don't use my native paper because I want them to look at what's really important and that's what they put down. Yeah. I want them to explain. So, I have a portion in my class that I can explain to my class. Okay, we'll try it for kids. So, whenever there's a diagram, they have to explain the diagram. So, even if the flow chart is on their own, they know how to figure it out because they know how to explain diagrams. So, I'm just using the heart as an example of a diagram. But, I'm actually teaching them how to explain diagrams. That's what we see as science teachers, right? Because it's the science literacy. It's not just the topics. Because the knowledge of science, right? That's the nature of science that it changes. So, whatever changes is there, they have to know how to learn that. And that's the most sustainable thing to teach them. And then, it seems to give them less answers and to ask more questions. That's one of my major techniques that I can pass on. Because it's through questions that makes it magical. Because, you know, the questions that you didn't say before, right? So, you just direct them to a thing, to a concept, by asking the question. And, personally, the technique to be a better science teacher is to learn in the same way that you teach. So, if you're teaching in Korea, you can analyze them, you can teach them. You can organize information, right? Yes. I love how you mentioned the nature of science changing. Because, just to share, the often I see the most posts on social media. From people who, let's just say aren't, don't have that much confidence in science and scientists in this age. It seems that you just put your headaches in the headaches. You just put your skulls in the headaches. Or, you just put your headaches in the headaches. You just put your headaches in the headaches. So, science isn't correct all the time. Yes, science isn't meant to be correct all the time. We base science on the strongest evidence there is. We don't declare science as absolute truths, but the point of science is inquiry, you ask. And, if something turns up, the evidence that, this is something you don't see here. A good scientist, a good person who appreciates science, is willing to change their minds. Yes. And maybe ask some more questions. So, for me, well, you're proving our point. Science isn't meant to be an absolute truth. It really isn't. No one said that it is. And that's why we have to have confidence in the scientific method, in the way we ask questions, the way we uncover evidence and use that to answer questions in real life. Right? The way we're teaching science is that it's just if it's the way we're teaching science. Absolutely. And even now, in the pandemic, we know that there will be other findings that might change whatever information. We know about that. And yes, about this disease, about whatever. That's it. So, the things that change, the way we teach, that there's space for them to know, that they might be good, but to also analyze what's the truth. Because not just believe, because I can tell you, that you're the first one to wake up, right? Science actually helps you make better decisions in life, and in how you use information, and how you look at information. So, you know, let's teach them how to think, and how to learn, rather than teaching them just the concepts. It's hard not to talk about this, given that you're a science educator, and a major recent on this news. I want to pick your brain a bit about the recent report from the World Bank about the quality of education that is in Philippines. How did you feel when you heard about it? And what should be our takeaways from that report? It's this hardening, that's true, because on all three assessments, We're at the bottom, but I don't think it's a critique. I think it's really just a reporting of where we stand in terms of the global space as an education, because it's the beginning when you read it. So I understand the frustration that it's as if we haven't progressed. We've talked the themes before. We're at the bottom also, and now we're still at the bottom. But I'm also glad we talk the assessments, because it's good to acknowledge where we are. So we can fix it. We have a bench right now. We know what our skills are. For the doctor, if you don't want to report your skills, why should the doctor use their skills? That's why you acknowledge it, right? Or you don't determine what your skills are. What do you want to do with your particular disease? If you don't have a name, you have a disease. So we have to name where our problems are, so that we can have solutions for it. It's really hard because it's to get data also to buy abilities. Depth is one of the biggest, it's the biggest for your accuracy. And damning schools and damning teachers and damning so 25 million learners in basic education. And of course, but if that's big data, there will be a lot of data and that will affect how you evaluate and assess where we stand. So I think it's good not to talk these assessments because it's an objective benchmark. And on the ground, I do feel that in my classroom, like I teach grade six, we do remedial reading lessons for them. Because it's very important for us at comprehension. How can you answer science questions in English if you don't understand? So yes, you can understand it. But the answer is correct. So explain in your own words. But if you are in an exam, right? Right? So you can use it. The growth mindset of the report then, assessments, we need to develop that more. The less confidence in kids in school because they don't feel safe. We need to also address that. So these results were just a report for me. It's our story in the public school. It's our story. We live. But I live my everyday. That's my reality. Right? That's the most important thing. Because it seems like you're talking to me. You're talking to me, right? Ouch. And in the same way that we are characters in this story, right? We have the capacity to also change the narrative. Not to change the report, but to change how to deal with it, right? But that's what I'm saying. Yes, we can do individual interventions. But the problem is also systemic. That's what I know. We've been dealing with. Filling in the gaps of. The gaps of education, the gaps of every sense, lack of classrooms, books, even light and water. We have not yet. We've been dealing with that. But we're also struggling to catch up to the 21st century challenges of technology, of digital literacy. Right? It seems like you're right. Throughout all of these years, we've had these problems. Now we haven't addressed still. And yet we have problems that we need to take on. So that we can catch up with others. That's a future. I know. It seems like. So the heat up then. And for that to do that, it's. I mean, that's really difficult. It's like teaching an elephant how to dance. It's like a humongous thing. But because it's like that. It's a large scale system. We have to not work alone. We have to work with other institutions. So that I can do it alone. Because learning is always affected by context. So health wise, poverty, security. So in the bigger scheme of things, we need to work with other departments. We also need to work with other departments. We need to work with other departments. themselves as educators, are they confident enough to teach the subject? Yes. kasi before you trained them, are they willing to parang do they see this as something that they want to pursue? Kasi how can you send science if he didn't invent a bio? That's all. Yung ganon sa, so parang there's this perception kasi that in the Philippines parang science is just for smart people. So they give you elitist chat. So even teachers ganon parang hindi ako matalino. So hindi ako magdutulun ang science ganon pang mga matatalino. Pwede ko magdulun science, batalino kaya ganon. But I think first of all, everybody can be smart. Even science tells us that your brain constantly learns. And Yung ganin lagi ko siya sa abis sa mga bata eh. Parang kong hindi ka marunong magbike ngayon. Aralin mo magbike. Aayon mo niyare. Marunong napoto. Karinong lang dinan. So hindi ko yan alam mam. Oh hindi ko alam ngayon. Pero hindi hindi hindi ko sabi. For every mo ng hindi alam. Oh ganon. So kailangan ng openness to learn and to have that openness. Kailangan ng confidence sa sila. So let's build that confidence in our youth. Kong binababanan natin sila parang binabaksak na natin sila sa science palam. Or tingin na lang napakahirap na to. Paano panilapipili maging scientists, de ba? Yung niya yung maganda sa science. Kasi it challenges you to really try things out. Subukan mo lang. Ganong shot to venture into learning. Kasi it also rewards you eh. When you do, de ba? It's your words you with knowledge. It's your words you with amazement. Yung feeling ng parang. Oh! De ba? Yung sense of meaning. Yung zest for life. Yung parang yung yung yun yung mga rewards sayin ang science. Yung pakeita natin na it's your wording to go here. And kung takot ka to try it out. Paano mo mga find out, nakaya mo. So yung. So I think as science educators, if you wanna raise confidence, you also have to take a step back. Kasi, de ba? Yung aay. So kung ikaw connectan natin sila nung subperception na yung mga matatalino o natuturu ng science. Dahil yung amin sa pakilam natin marami tayong alam, it's easy for us to be the highlight of the science lesson. Alo yung amin. Ya. Na, you own the knowledge, but actually as educators, you already have to take a step back and allow students to try and discover things for themselves. So, in mong klasing emotional intelligence, then you need to hold back what you know and to just allow others to learn and facilitate that. In mong klasing emotional intelligence, you really have to become facilitator, Cindy Fountain of Knowledge, but that also needs a lot of patience. So, de ba? Mas madali yung begin nalangin sa God. Sirit na? Oh, okay. Sirit na? Oh, para mga buwarnata yung. Kakit na mga patastan, sir. Kakit na mga o? Oh, ala mga kasagot? Atoy yung sagot. Ya doon. Pero, de ba? Kasi kung talagang facilitator ka? Sa sabayan mo talagayong students until they get to an understanding of the concept. Yung matagalyon. Majong, I mean, para yung you have to find different ways to bring them there, but kasi adun sa giving them an answer. So, that's some points for improvement in our classroom, siguro, but in your points for improvement in general, sa penoy science education, is that, para it doesn't have to be elites. Ya. Yung shop. Arang buwaginan natin yung perception na yung kasi from teachers to students, ganun yung daladala natin at napapasan natin sa mga susunat desineration and we sorely need scientists in the Philippines. So, there. Ya. Alala ako tulay. Na gantang-gantak ko sa tagline ng DOST. So, it's so simple. Their tagline is science for the people. And how parang just have to remember that. Keep that in our minds and hearts. And that tells us the answer. How do we make this more inclusive? How do we empower the educators and the students? Remember that science is for the people. It's not, it's not something owned by the intelligent. It's not something that they can dispense from up high. Tapas wala nga nga nalang yung lahat ng tao. Science is everywhere. And the appreciation for science, it's something that's so critical, so crucial, you know, you know, science is not just for the intelligent. It is yung label miso na intelligent. It's a bit to learn things. It's science for everyone. Yeah. Adry. Adry. Oh, I know. Why do you want to tagline? Oh, science for the people. You know, when people ask me, how do we communicate science? How do we talk about science? How do we communicate science? I'm not a scientist. I'm usually not the smartest. I'm rarely the smartest person in the room. And I'm more than happy to admit that. Every time I do an interview or talk to students, you know, but since I'm a little bit older, with the goal to help people like me, 90 scientists to understand science. It gets simplified. It becomes easier to understand and to absorb. And everyone gets to appreciate it. That's true. It's like the power of yet. The deep. I know that. Because it's like I can tell. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So not yet. But I can find out. So doesn't matter if you're not the smartest in the room, don't let them know. We can acknowledge that. There's an opening for you to learn from the people in the room. Oh. And okay. So we go, I love you. I love you. But when I talk to them, when I become interested in what they do, that's how I know it. So you, you, you, you know, because they connect and see science and see growth mindset. Because it's a science. It's okay to fail. But when you fail, what do you tell yourself? Okay. I didn't figure out yet. So you know, the growth mindset is the yet. But I can figure it out if I try again. So go on. And then take always this. Not just for our listeners, but for me as a communicator. I'm going to say that I'm a teacher. I'm a teacher in the field of research. And I'm going to pressure you. But that's not to say that I had bad science teachers. I had wonderful science teachers. They are a big part of why I'm doing what I do now. If you're not an effective science teacher, I'm a batahol. You know, I wouldn't be disinvested in science for Filipinos, for the Philippines. But, you know, and we've talked about this a lot, you know, in this podcast. Science is around us. Science is for the people. Appreciating science and science is, it's important. But maybe to sum it up, because it's important to make sure that we're a good science teacher. Because, it's a way of thinking. It develops in you that discipline to analyze information, to observe, to process organized information, to communicate your information in a way that other people will understand. It's a way of thinking. And thinking is crucial in decision making, which we everybody does in life. In small ways and in big ways, we take decisions. And decision making affects behavior. So, how we act is based on the decisions that we've made. And our behavior affects how we go about in society. Because, you know, it's important that you understand. Right? Yes. So, if you're thinking about what you're doing, you're actually throwing this plastic bag on the road, on the side of the street and not in, of not recycling that will affect your behavior, your decision to dispose things properly. And how we go each one of us, a million batay, how we go about our decisions, will affect our society, and the difference that we can make in society. So, it's either we improve things or we destroy things because of our decision making. And science literacy has a lot to do with that. So, it doesn't have to be scientists. Because, you don't have to worry. You don't have to decide the actions for you. Right? So, it can be applied in anything you do. Like deciding to get yourself vaccinated, deciding on who to vote for. Even for simple things, like, "Mak papa budol keba sa mga natita mong binadenta online." It's not mean. Right? That's why, if you're thinking about it, or if you're thinking about it, and you're not thinking about it, right? It's just a discipline. It makes a habit out of the thinking process. Right? It's a game of processing information, and analyzing it. Yeah. Sorry, I know. Because we're just destroying our actions in our decisions. Just wanted to bring this up. Imagine it's not related. But, you know, the messaging for environment conservation is usually, "Oh, let's save the planet. Let's save the Earth. Let's save Mother Nature." But if you really, really, really think about it, Earth will outlive us. Nature will survive humans. When we say, you know, "Save the environment." We're really saying, "Save the environment for us.". because if things become hostile sa mundo, si naman matay. So farang for people out there, sa hano naman, I think our listeners naman know the value of decent environmental practices. But for people out there who are kind of doubting that, "Isang tako lang naman ako, magtatapul lang naman ako naman ako nambasawara there?" Sa kalsada, "What difference can I make as a person?" Malaki, because when we say we're saving the planet, we're saving the planet for you, we're saving the planet for us. Parang nitayo ganong ka makapang garihan, to ruin earth, but we are powerful enough to ruin earth for ourselves. Yeah. And sa nga ngaparang, it's not just science that there is here, but it's really science that there's a couple with empathy and compassion. True. 'Cause say, "parang, we have a lot of people who know a lot and can think really intelligently, but they don't care." Yeah. That's a big factor on parang kaya ng as teachers, we have to make it meaningful for students and see that science can affect people's lives and make it better. You know it. And you use this, you use this to make the Philippines better, to make other people's lives better, to contribute to society. You know. Because it's not enough for the people who know it. Absolutely. It's not enough for them to know it. So, if you have a lot of people who know it, it's a science that you can imagine. And it's a touch on the lessons that we've learned from you because of our podcast. What is the best way to reach out to you? Well, I'm proud to say that I'm social, but I'm on social. Yeah. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, but the thing is, I'm on social media. I'm on social media. But, but I can't reach the social media. So, I'll reply to you. But, if you want to miss out on me, because I still like not being on social media, you know, but I do check it. So, yeah, I do check it. So, you just leave me a message and try to get back and reply. If you inspire your teachers, I will inspire you every day. But, if you inspire them, it's a good science to teach them. What is your last advice to teach them for the recent and future science educators in Pilipinas? Yeah. Wow. Pressure. But, before that, I have to be quick-quant because I have to be a doctor. That's a field of science. So, by all means, I have to be a forest school. And I'm not the best bio-student in my class in college. Actually, I struggled with my majors, because I don't really want to realize. But, I love science. And I really want to understand. That's why I'm going to review. 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