Schrödinger’s Palestine: Einat Wilf on Statehood, Refugees, and Jewish Sovereignty

[MUSIC] >> You rockin' with the most awesome miss. >> The Carl Nelson show. Our list go. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> Hey, Granarizing Family and welcome to Wednesday. Hey, this is last Wednesday of April 2026. Make it a good one. Later, public enemies, Professor Griff will analyze the influence of AI music in the music industry. Now, tens of thousands to several million AI tracks are released every single day. Before we hear from Griff, Kerry Gordy, the son of the legendary Motown founder, Barry Gordy will share his insights into the new Michael Jackson movie, Michael. I hope many of you saw it. But before Kerry, Mark from Anaheim will relive today's anniversary of the 1992 LA uprising. Some people call it the Rodney King rights. 63 people lost their lives and more than $1 billion in property damage was damaged. But to get us started, former New York lawmaker Charles Banel, Johnist, but first got Kevin to open these classroom doors on this Wednesday morning. Granarizing Kevin. >> Hey, Granarizing indeed. I'm just looking at different things. And again, Granarizing, hope all is well for you, your family, and everybody. All the ships that see, it's the 29th of April as you pointed out. The last Wednesday in the month, I just want to know one thing. How you feeling, Carl? I'm still learning, man. With the lineup we got today, I know I'm going to learn a lot. >> Yeah, I didn't realize it was so many AI hit records out. But I mean, some of them are really good, though, Carl. I mean, you just back and listen to some stuff. You know, old school has that old, some of it has that old school vibe. And that's what I like listening to. And it's just kind of refreshing. And yet, it's scary realizing, wait, this is a robot. >> But you know what? On a broader scale, it's not just music, but AI is infiltrated, everything we do. We, and especially on children, have got to find a way to get ahead of the game, or at least start in the game. >> Right. >> These cats who are doing the music, that's what they are right now. Everything we do, AI is impacting. We've got to figure out a way how to get there. Because usually we're on the late trains. So when we hear that millions of tracks are made every day, some guys are sitting in his basement and knocking out tracks and releasing them. And you think it's, you think of that. Oh, that's the next Luther, that's the next Marvin K. And if something was creating on the computer, I hope our people are doing that. Not the other folks. That's what I'm going to say. I'm going to leave that one right there. But I think every aspect, we should be in the front of the train, out of the back of the train. >> Well, you know where we participate, we dominate. So wherever we get on, you watch out, it's going to happen. There is a case where one of the AI vocalists, if you will, one Grammy, or at least was considered for Grammy, then they realize, hold on, there's no real person here. You know, shades of Millie Vanilla, if you will. >> Yeah, but then they create the characters as well. Because they do like, you know, back then it was the albums. The album covers, they have a persona of that person. >> Yes. >> And they create an interview with that person, talking about his music, how he got started. And you're still thinking, this is a real person who did this. >> Well, it has, it eventually becomes a real person. I mean, like, was George Jetson, for a flinston, were they real people? No, but they had a persona, even though it was manufactured. And I think that's the same thing with this, your manufacturing, the persona, whereas remember Millie Vanilla was the persona, and they had other people singing the music. Not just AI, I'm just saying, I'm relating that. >> Yeah, I mean, I'm in the image. >> Yeah, I get to read it coming from, but my thing is, it's here. So we can't fight it, you know, let's get ahead of it. That's my thing. I just want to see how folks in the front line, you know, whoever's creating the music, or any art form, or anything that we do, even when we do Kevin on the radio, you know, I hope just I have folks somewhere, you know, in the advanced class when it comes to anything involving AI, because AI is the future. >> Right, if you can't beat them, right, that kind of thing. And there's no need to, because it's everywhere. And look, and news, the federal grand jury indicts former FBI director James Comey for get this, wait for it, threats to harm President Trump. >> What? You know, the indictment? >> Again? >> Yeah, the indictment includes two counts. First, in violation of 18 USC 871 alleging that James Comey 65, knowingly and willfully made a threat to take the life of and to inflict bodily harm upon the president of the United States. This charge alleges that on May 15, 2025, by publicly posting an image over the internet via Instagram, depicting 8647, which a reasonable recipient who is familiar with the circumstances would interpret as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to the president of the United States, just by saying those numbers. >> Right, because everybody knows 80s, when you say 86, that means expelled, killed, get rid of. >> Of course, 47 is the 47 president. But he says he did not know. Is that believable? Do you think, is that believable? Or did he really just do it? And then, many times, when somebody pointed out, he took it down. And I'm not, you know, for Trump or nothing, but I'm just saying, how believable is that? Of all the numbers and letters that you could think of in the C-shelons as you put on the sand, that you come up with the 8647, that's going to be a hard one to prove. >> Not only that, there's certain lingo that is germane to a certain population that doesn't apply to another group of people. I mean, you know, when you go to Starbucks, you ask for coffee and you have some people know the language, the venties and the grand day. But some people just want a large coffee. You know, you go to make dollars, it's a make, it isn't a make that, but some people just want a hamburger. >> Right. So, I think it's not about that. >> Yeah, but when you're being specific, and this is what Komi did, he was being specific, his choice, with those numbers. So that's where they're saying that, how did you not know of all the numbers? Why not 60, 32 or something like that? You know, so that's going to be hard for him to prove. Well, the indictment also charges Komi in violation of 18 USC that Komi consciously disregarded as substantial risk that his communication would be viewed as threatening violence. So in other words, I guess if you know those numbers, I guess charge or influence a certain part of the population, then you're responsible for that part. And that he knowingly transmitted the communication and interstate commerce that contained a threat to injure the person, and which a reasonable recipient who is familiar with the circumstances would interpret as serious expression. So is he being charged with causing people to think that? And-- >> Rikalis, although Kevin, we're supposed to be free to miss speech, it's supposed to be able to say that, and still, you know, can you not say that? Can you not, even if it's interpreted that way, he didn't come out and say, kill the president, you know, he just put some seashells. With numbers, you know, they're connected to a slang. Isn't that-- isn't he protected by freedom of speech? Or does that not include the President of the United States? >> Well, to an extent, you know, you can't yell, fire in a movie theater, you know, there's that kind of stuff. But FBI Director Cash Patel said James Komi disgrace really encouraged a threat on the president's life and posted it on Instagram for the whole world to see. I guess if he-- what, he must have a lot of followers on Instagram. And so no one is above the law in the Eastern District of North Carolina said, you as attorney Ellis Boyle and our office regularly pursues threat cases, including those against public officials. And he's charged with threatening. And so we'll see how that comes out, you know? >> Yeah, we'll see. It's going to be up to judging the jury. So we'll see how they interpret that. And it's also being compared to this Jimmy Kimmel case. And it's-- they're saying that it-- it-- Trump's dem view of his foes freedom of speech is being threatened. He-- you know, his enemies fly in the face of what's promised to be the First Amendment. But Trump is like later for that First Amendment stuff when you talk about-- >> Okay, let me show him here for a second on that with Jimmy Kimmel. >> Well, these comedians, they roast all the presidents. Every president's being roasted. They don't get uptight and say, well, I'm going to court you. You can't say that because I'm the president of the United States. They just laugh it off and just keep moving. Why is this particular presidency so thin-skinned that that's a problem for him? >> Apparently. And then, you know, when you look back, in the age when news wasn't as instant, when we didn't have everybody with a camera and those kinds of things, maybe he's trying to get back to that age, the Eisenhower, the Kennedys, the those errors when you hardly knew what was going on privately in the life of the executive office. What do you think? - I'll tell you what, let's ask Charles Brown, what he thinks about this. He's standing by, he's giving 12 minutes after the top of our family. Thanks Kevin. Charles Barron, you heard the conversation with Kevin, your thoughts on this, is this an infringement of freedom of speech? - Beyond it's with you, no parts. I could care less about Komi and Trump. They deserve each other. And yes, the vision infringement upon freedom of speech, but whatever they do to bring each other down is fine with me because both of them are Komi and his leadership of his agency. All of them have been devastating to the black community. So their battle, you know how we say in the neighborhood, my name is Bennett and I'm not in it. Whatever happens to them happens. - Okay, he's pulling the Pontius Poundley watching his hands, right? Right, right Mr. Barry. - Charles says that's their problem. That's those are their issues. But Charles, we got some issues in our community too that you want to share with us. This is trying to scam our elders at their property. Can you share how this new technique is being used on our elderly? So you know, 'cause if it's in New York, you know, it's all over the place as well. Or we'll be soon. - Yes, it's all over. It's called D-D-F-D-E-D-F-T-H-E-F-T. D-D-F, beware of it. Because what's happening in New York and black communities across the country, particularly to black elderly people, there are these gangsters, I call them gangsters and then includes LLCs that are created and judges and elected officials and lawyers and city state agencies allowing it to happen, the Attorney General's Office, the District Attorney, the Mayor, allowing these things to go down. And it happens like this. You have a water bill or you're back on taxis and sometimes they don't make you aware of it. And before you know it, your home is put up for auction. It's sold to somebody else and somebody comes knocking on your door and you don't even have a home anymore. And there are some elderly people who never even knew they had a water bill. That's one way. The other way is they literally forge your signature. On your deed, they change it. They forge the signatures on the deed and they come to people's homes and say, "This is no longer your home. You're no longer the owner of your own deed." It's called D-D-F. And then when you go to court to fight it, you have judges that support the deed. And so in our case in New York City, it's been a battle that's been going on. A city council member was arrested, T.O.F.A. from Brooklyn. City council member was arrested because he, along with others, in a coalition stood in front of the home and told the sheriff, "You're not taking this home." Told the NYPD, "You're not taking this home." Now, as Zora Mombani was so progressive and all of that, why did he allow his police and his sheriff to take these people's home and evict people? Many have been evicted already. So what does Zora Mdo, when it really hit the fan, he creates the office of D-DF. So he's gonna fight now with an office of D-DF. What a hypocrite. During his campaign, the D-DF organization led by, and I think you all might wanna have her come on. I'll give you her number. Evangeline buyers, there's a D-DF coalition that I helped start and I'm working with, but they see it really knows the issue well. She's a union organization, the GWU. But anyway, a D-DF, he creates this office that's supposed to have had $10 million for high-small lawyers to fight. He comes up with $500,000. Put the person in front of it that people don't approve of and say, "That's how he's responded to it." The attorney general, the Tisha James lied and said that the battle that we have in the front of this home is not about D-DF. It's an internal family conflict and transferring the D-DF to a family member. It's not D-DF. She later had to retract that 'cause she lied and now she said, "My dad, it was D-DF." So this is a conspiracy that involves. - Right, and hold that thought right there, Charles. We got a step aside from a few of us to come back and explain what's going on in family. You've got elderly parents that go to homes, the mortgages, they don't have mortgages in the, you know, own their home. So a lot of D-DFs is going on in New York City and you probably know the city as well. The Charles Brown is here. It's a former New York Lomica. It's gonna give us the sales when we get back. And you two can get in on this conversation with Charles. Reach out to us at 800-450-78-76. And we'll take your phone calls next. - And grand rising family, thanks for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning. I guess this former New York Lomica, Charles Brown, and Charles is telling us about a scheme that's going on in New York City where they're scamming our elderly out of their homes by taking their deeds. Charles, let me ask you all the money that Mandani, Mandani spent, wouldn't it be easier just to set up a system where whenever there's a change, where it'd be an additional name or a letter to any deed on record that the person, the email is sent to the person who has the original deed, would not be easier than, you know. - Absolutely. All he has to do is commit to what he had commit when he was campaigning, $10 million. They could set up that system, they can set up lawyers. I, when I was a city council member in the East New York area, we saved about 102 families from having their homes foreclosed on. And at my staff member, may he rest in peace, he may just transition. Melvin Faulkner would simply go down to the court with the family and say to the judge that this is not a legitimate deed that the bank has or this LLC has that is fraudulent, he would argue for them. We saved over 100 homes from the invictims of foreclosures or deed theft. This looked a stole of some Africa, now they're still in our home. You know, we built the foundation of this capitalist society on slavery and now they don't even want our seniors to live the last days of their life in a decent home. So we've been fighting it, it can be, we can win. When we organize, we stop evictions. And then we call it on governor Hulko, with our hypocritical self, always looking for black votes, the call for a moratorium on evictions. Simply saying that no evictions are gonna go forward until it is examined thoroughly for deed theft. So if you made that request yet, Charles, or anybody in the city council, - No, yeah, we made that request. - Confronted the governor, we pulled it, Attorney General, let Mr. James, Chief of Supported as well. All the governor has to do is an executive order saying that I am calling for a moratorium on deed theft, number one. I mean, on evictions, number one, and number two, I do have $15 billion in unrestricted state money putting a billion of that into a state deed theft office. That's all he has to do. But he ain't doing it because a lot of these fees are Jewish companies and individuals. A lot of these fees are real estate, gangsters, robbers of our people and supporters of the Democratic party. - So Charles, the folks who have lost their homes, any recourse for them so far, can they get their homes back? Do you know anyone's got to kick down? - We're fighting to get some back, but some will not get them back. And we're fighting, we got about maybe out of thousands, we got a couple of hundreds, we got some to get their homes back, but too many will never get their homes back. On the left, there is the governor, the mayor, the attorney general's office, the district attorneys in New York, all have to come together. We got them all now because it's the issue of New York City right now. So now they all have to respond. And some of these sickle friends fell out and negro politicians of New York City's Democratic party. Now that they see it in the media, because when TLC was arrested, the council member thrown on the ground, he's suffering a minor concussion now. And he was merely trying to protect his constituents from losing her home. Now they all saw it on TV. But now they are coming out. The money will be public advocates coming out and calling some meetings and all of that. You know, it's just so sickening that the politicians that we have, the black politicians in particular in the Democratic party are only after out for their own self interest and not for protecting. And not for protecting and liberating our people. All right, 25 of the top. They have family just waking up with this like guest is Charles barren Charles is a former New York lawmaker in New York City Council also in Albany. He represented Brooklyn is borrower and we've talked about deep theft this morning also. Charles wants to give us an update on that beat down that that brother suffered a mistaken identity because that made national news. But before we do all of that, the truth tell us from Cleveland has a question for you. He's online to grand rising truth telling you on with Charles barren. Grand rise and crazy. Grand rise and a Charles barren brother. You always want to point every time young, but Charles, I do kind of question for you brother Bob Morality because this is. You know, we got so much corruption and when you talk about corruption with judges, lawyers and all that sometimes people just dismiss that, but we just got just the morality man and I've been researching and just trying to understand the morality. So but here's some of my came across real briefly and I just want your opinion. It says the practical function. What is the practical function of morality? Practical functional morality and has to produce real outcomes in the real world in morality that only exists in intentions rhetoric and ideas is nothing but performance. I'm glad to read on that and and and I take any you know explanation or just show ideas or thoughts off air. Thank you brothers. I appreciate it. Well, you know, you have it hit it on the head. The civil rights movement, the black time movement was always arguing that we can't legislate morality because you're quite right. If it's not put into practice, it's irrelevant. So we often say while we can't legislate morality, we can legislate behavior. The focus is usually on the behavior. Okay, you don't like me. You hate me. You are a hustler gangsters. Well, you're not going to be able to perform that because we're going to put in a movement that whether it's illegal route or whether it's other means of political route or economic route. You are going to suffer consequences. If you're a behavior, violate our morality or the behavior that violates the faith keeping about property, our person and so on and so forth. I focus on behavior because you are quite right about that definition of morality, but it has to be met with consequences for your behavior violating us. All right, thanks to tell us that beat down into place in Brooklyn and your bar, the brother that would be staking identity by the NYPD. What's the latest on that? Can you share that with us? Everybody's outraged by it. You know, these police are going to be been removed that whole that whole force. We pose. That he needs to get rid of the occupying drug enforcement forces, the forces that they have are now neighborhoods to stop demonstrations, the rapid deployment for all of that nonsense in the government apparatus, whether it's coming out of the police department or whatever. I need to get rid of for these guys came in and beat this brother down had nothing to do with anything. So of course, it's under investigation and yes, they're going to move on that as a case and he did pull back that force. What does the damn shame that to get my money in there and he's no different than the rest is proven to be the same as the rest except for his rhetoric reality has not changed. The 30 minutes at the top of the people in New York City come to grips with that already or are they still still behind him even this brother got this beat down there. There's on camera. It wasn't quite Rodney King, but it was it was up there. You know, they they were two of them. It's up heard and things like this can still happen when you have things in the structure that allows it to happen and that's in the mayor's office. That's in the governor's office. That's in the district James office of state attorney general, which is why we keep building our movement to remove people like that from office and try to get conscious radical people in local elected office city council, say to somebody else we did in our beloved Eastern New York. Good for you Charles. We're coming up also another event coming up this weekend, Mayday and understand this going to be a whole bunch of rallies all across not just across the country across the world is usually Mayday. They celebrate but somehow it's going to take on different different different shine if you will state side. Can you tell us what's going on? Do you know of any events taking place for Mayday? Well, you know, there's always big Mayday events and for people just to familiarize you, those who may not know what Mayday is usually about. It's usually about the riot at Hey Market Square in 1886 in Chicago. When some of the workers in the industrial plant decided that they would go on strike for an eight day, excuse me, an eight hour work day because you know back then you were working like 12, 16 hours a day. You wanted to have an eight hour work day. That's how the eight hour work day came into existence. So after striking at one of the industrial plants there, the police and forced tried to get them to break up the strike and a strike a union worker with kill. So on May 4, 1886 and Hey Market Square in Chicago, they had a big rally and toward the end of the rally, a bomb was thrown when the police decided they were going to disperse the rally. A bomb was thrown and seven police, two police officers were killed and the police fired on the crowd and gun shots were fired and seven police officers wound up there. Some said friendly fire, some said the union work and the workers did it. The bottom line is that May 1 represents that and that those folks who were organized and communist socialist, anachones, anarchists were all organizing around that. So later after the riot, the police, they arrested eight people, one person and they convicted them and one person committed suicide, three others served long sentence were given long sentences and four were hanged. So that's what may day is all about my concern about may day and focusing on unions is that too often all of that they're talking about 18, 86. Well, how about our workers on the plantation. How about our workers uncompensated compensated slavery? How about the sharecropping when we were slaves to land after the abolish so called abolish enough slavery? How about convict leasing when we were the ones that were went from the plantation to the penitentiary. So what working struggles and labor unions and all of that and a lot of black folk workers could not join union because of the racism with unions, the very same union that we're fighting, you know, on Mayday. So we're going to do a show on our radio show, both of our shows we come on WBAI every Friday from five to six. We're going to address it from a black perspective because to often we are objects of white versions of history and not the subjects. And now we're saying we're the subject because of how you treated us in 1836 we had to form our own union and one of the first strikes my union of hours was the caucus union caucus, the AUL and KERF, you know, when you put cocks in the ships because the wood wooded ships. So you went out to see unless you caught up all the holes and all of the opening so the ship didn't sink and get filled with water. Well, I was a disgusting job to do and nobody wanted to do it. So a lot of blacks had those positions, but they wouldn't pay them right. So they went on a strike and had a, you know, their own unions and their own battles that never mentioned. And what about the Pullman port is with a from a brand off and when they went on strike because they weren't receiving fair wages. And we talked about mayday it can't be justice right units and many of the white unions. would not allow blacks in to this very day. We still have some struggles within unions and how they deal with white workers and black workers. So, Mayday for us means all of the stuff I just mentioned and not just that history of white unionism which was really racist. And let me say one other thing, even by white unionism, you know, the idea of workers uniting was really uniting around socialism and not just changing working conditions but changing the system of capitalism. So, the early workers were socialist and they were engaging in socialist revolution. That's what they were pushing until after a while, people like Samuel Comper from the AFL and then later on the CIO joined that and it became unionism instead of revolution and they said that we'll do evolutionary socialism, not revolutionary socialism and changed the whole system. So now it's turned to unionism, they accept in the capitalist bourgeois system and they just wanna get better pension, better healthcare, better working conditions and better wages to understand and that's a fight that we should have. But it didn't start like that. It started fighting against capitalism. - Wow, well thanks for the history, did not know that. 'Cause I know New York City is a union town, just like Chicago is a union town but we have many areas in this country, Charles, they're right to work states. Listen, we gotta take a break and check the news and traffic and we're in different cities. When we come back though, put those together and see which would you prefer, right to work state or a union town? 'Cause we got problems with the unions because they relate to black folks, we know that. And now the opposite is a right to work state and many of the southern states are right to work states. So which one do you think is better for us as a people? And also wanna give us an update on what's going on in the sale nations as well. Family YouTube can join this conversation that I guess his name is Charles Barron, he's a former New York City lawmaker. You know how to reach us at 800-450-78-76 and we'll take your phone calls after we check the news. That's next. - And grand rise in family. - We're actually waking up with us on this Wednesday. This hump day, we were halfway through the work week at 17 minutes away from the top of the hour. That guest, Charles Barron. Charles is a former New York City lawmaker, who's on the city council also worked at an Albany with state-led state as well and discussing union as opposed to states rights. We're getting down a moment. I can't just let us my trend of thought here. We got so much folks coming up later this morning. We got the public enemies, Professor Griffo, being with us before we hear from Professor Griffo, Kerry Gordy, Barry Gordy's son. And we're gonna talk about Michael Jackson, move some of the stuff in there he can relate to and share with us as well. Before we do all of that, though Mark from Anaheim is gonna be with us, today's the anniversary of the 1992 LA uprising. Some people call the Rodney King riots. And coming up later this week or action tomorrow, a chemitologist Tony Browder will be here, along with Garvey Brothers, single by eight. So if you are in Baltimore, please keep your radio locked in tight on 10-10 WLB. If we're in the Washington DC area, we're on 1450 WL. All right, before we get into that, Charles, someone just calling the studio wants to know, because you talked about the D-5, especially the impact in our elderly, so the person wants to know, how does one of four getting scammed through this D-5, that's going on and it started in New York City? - Well, it's all over then, really starting New York has been all over the country. It's not signed nothing without a lawyer. Whatever you do, don't sign any papers without a lawyer. And don't say anything to any judge or any without having legal representation. That's number one. Number two, you can avoid it by being a part of any local organization, even if you have to start something yourself to demand that's your city, council member, that's your state legislature, that's your congressional person, that the district attorney's office, that you should demand that they do preventive work, that they educate people on how to avoid these deaths, and that to make sure that if it occurs, that they're going to protect you and serve you. And three, always call and join movements that are talking about eviction moratoriums. Stopping all the evictions until they closely investigated for the best and trust no one, trust no one. And some people say that, and I got to explore this a little further, that it's important for that it doesn't involve generational well-transfer, that you put your home into a trust, so that the probate court doesn't take it away from you after you leave this planet and try to leave it with your family members. So think of a trust and have a will to make sure that your property is protected. - Yeah, that last part, that's an excellent one, family. You've got the property put it in a trust, Dr. Rosy Mulligan is offered that advice when she's been on here several times, put it in a trust, 'cause you don't wanna go to probate and argue and find it, finding about what your family was finding out of what you left. Anyway, Charles, I wanna go back to the issue now, work to work states and also the unions, 'cause some of these unions, we get the short shift from these unions, black folks, 'cause they always look out for themselves. You know, just look at the unions, we'll take the NYPD and the fire department. It seems like everybody in there is either Irish or Italian, or at least we're there when I was there. I don't know if it's changing, it seems like they all looked out for each other. As much change. - No, not much at all, you hit it right on the head. We're caught between a rock and a hard place. First, we gotta deal with companies and factories and industries and corporations. So as a black worker, you have to fight them. Then the union that's supposed to be fighting for you against these corporations and management is discriminating against you. So now you don't have unions on your side. You fighting the discrimination and the racism and the colonialism of the corporation. So black people, that's why we started our own unions. And let me get, if I can go into something critically important, and that's in the area of sports. You know, incredible how the major league baseball makes billions of dollars. The NFL makes billions of dollars, and the NBA makes billions of dollars. And yet we don't own a single NBA franchise. 32 franchises we own none. And football is 30 franchises we own none. And so when you hear them given LeBron James $50 million contract, well, he's bustin' his sweat and riskin' injury while the fat cat white boy sittin' on his butt makin' billions not bustin' a sweat at all. So it's not the millions that the black athletes are makin'. It's the billions that the white boys are makin' who so-called own them. You know years ago on the plantation there were three major sports. That in fact sports was not a luxury. It was just something you supposed to enjoy a recreation thing until they turned it into money-making. And that was horse racing, foot racing, and boxing. So the plantation owner would get Africans to room and train their horses and one of the most lucrative sports on the plantation was horse racing. As a matter of fact, the first several Kentucky Derbies were won by black jockeys. People like Jimmy Winkfield and Isaac Murphy. They were makin' so much money in conquering the sport because a lot of whites said that's a plantation sport until it became lucrative. Then they supported an anti-coloured person union to get black jockeys out of the horse racing field. They had to go to Russia and France and continue their journey. So even in sports, remember Major League Baseball? When we had the Negro League, they were successful until the white Major League's France Rikianum started taking Jackie Robinson Willie Mays from the Negro League. And remember the NBA. The NBA started in 1949 with two white leagues. And the Harlem Rens from Harlem, black and the Harlem Glow Charters used to have exhibition games with these Celtics and Lakers and all of these white teams and make big money. So when they started the NBA in 1949, the Harlem Rens wanted to join as a team, which means their owner would have been sitting at the table with the other owners. And the Harlem Glow Charters, they were so good that by half time, they used to clown around and people. people came to see them clowning around. They were beaten, team so badly, but they didn't let them join as teams, 'cause then they would have ownership. And people don't know this. There's a book called Black Ice. You know we form later at so-called Colet Ice Hockey League, and things like the slap shot and different things that are famous now came from Africans in Nova Scotia and Canada with Black Ice. So exploitation of our labor happens even with those who think they're making a lot of money. Lasting real quick is I know we ran it at the time, but the most exploited basketball player, in basketball, believe it or not, and I don't like them politically, was Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan signed with Chicago in 1985 for $500,000. Chicago was a work about 20 million at that time as a franchise. One year later, they worked 100 million, 'cause Michael just the league just exploded. And after he made millions for the franchise, billions for the NBA, Michael Jordan never made more than $4 million a year from the NBA for 10 years. When it was found and exposed, he then got 30 million, then 31 million in the last two years and they let him own one of the franchises which he no longer owns. But he was one of the most exploited players. He got his billions and all of that. Those are contracts outside of the NBA, not in the NBA. So this kind of exploitation of Black labor happens in every industry and we should be aware that when May 1st comes, Mayday, don't forget the Black working. Yeah, I haven't said that. Seven minutes away from the top of the chart, the current NFL season coming up. All these coaching jobs that went down, no Black coach at all. Sarah Black coach has lost it. I'm talking about head coaching now. So when you watch in the NFL this fall, just remember that. Just thinking the back of your mind, none of these teams, for me, how is Puffer Black coach? Even if I don't like the team, I want to see a brother excel. All these coaches, all these jobs that came open, not one went to a Black person. And it's not that we don't have the scale or can coach, be a head coach with football team. We've proved that already. For some reason this season, it's gonna be all the head coaches are white. Just think about that when you're watching football this fall. We're going up, Carl, real quick. That we should do with my guys, to start our own league. When we had the so-called Negro League, that was successful until they started taking place and putting them in white Major League Baseball that was curtain economically. And we had to boost it up. Start our own football league, our own basketball league. That can happen just like they had a nowhere to white. They started the WNBA, the woman's national basketball and NBA. Remember they used to have the ABA, the American Basketball Association. They started their own leagues. Our players are too busy making money and thinking that they're free. How is it in the 21st century you have a owner? And don't think because you have free agency, that's your free. It was an enslaved African named Charles Stewart. In 1776, he was grooming the horses for his European enslaved but making a lot of money. And his European enslaved said, Charles, thank you so much. I'm going to trade you now, but since you were so good to me, I'm going to let you pick your new slave owner. Well, that's what LeBron did. Free agency. You're free now because prior to that, there was no free agency and you had to sign with the team that signs you or else retire or they could trade you like property which they still can do today. So LeBron was a free agent to pick another owner, not to really be free. And I know some of the brothers in the hood are saying, I'd be gladly be a slave for $15 a year, but there's no amount of money that can be paid to you if you're not free. But Charles, let me jump in here for a second though, but you know how those contracts are structured. When you hear them get these $100 and $200 million, they're not really getting it. They never really see many a time she doesn't pan out to that because the contracts are structured and they never make that as much money as they think they are. That's right. That's exactly right. And the bottom line, majorly, or basketball NBA, they're going to make close to $14, $15 billion. And then when you include in TV rights and all of that, so if you have a franchise like New York and one of the highest franchises is Goldman State and Los Angeles worth $7, $6, $5 billion. And that begins for my-- And hold up to right there, Charles. We got to check the traffic away there, differences. I'll let you explain that how it works. Because New York is number one market. Because 18 million eyes will probably see. If you're a sports team, you're going to make more money if you're in New York than if you're in Milwaukee straight up. Four minutes away from the top of the house, I'm actually going to check the traffic and whether or not the differences. We come back with Charles also Bob and Buffalo as a question for you. 800-450-78-76. Speak to Charles Barron. Your calls are next. And Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning. I guess this Charles Barron, a former New York lawmaker, an interest of time off for go. My questions have got some folks want to talk to you real quick. Let's go to Bob in Buffalo. He's on the line too. Grand Rising Bob, you have a question for Charles Barron. Yeah, bless your little family. Enough respect for the Barron for you and for your wife and the work that you do have done and will continue to do. My question is in New York City gets the primary headlines. And you come on with good information about what you've done for East New York. But New York State is broken up into regions. And from New York City, Central New York, finger lakes, Western New York, is there a way for us to come together to work towards a progressive kind of change that you seem to have done in East New York? Well, yes, there is. Now, we are working on that right now. We have a group called the Black Solidarity Coalition. And we've come together with groups like our group in East New York, Operation Power. And the December 12th movement was a history and a move. The UNIA, Marcus Garvey's organization, CMOPEP under Dr. Mackintosh and the O'Houra movement. We've all come together through the nation of Islam and some radical youth groups like Palava and Black Men build. So we have a coalition that's working on two things, organizing against ICE and organizing to fight against these thefts. But at the same time, organizing for power. And we're gonna run candidates, some are running now out of the deeds that coalition because you can't just be reactionary, organizing around all these issues that are driving crazy 'cause there's a million of issues that are affecting our communities. You got to also organize for power like we did in East New York to get in power positions to adequately address those issues. So the answer is absolutely. All right, three after the top. Justice and coalition Vegas is on line three. Ground rising justice, your question for Charles Baron. Here's another thing I was so happy to hear him talk about organized only. I told one of the Brummingham Barons and Brummingham Alabama, yeah, create the bigger only again. You know, we laughed at me, they mocked me. But I tell you what, it was true. We can do it then. Just like the really rule. You know what, brother, for those two think that we cannot play baseball and you said something about hockey which I've been doing when I was 14 at Madison Square Garden with the Harvard Wellers. You talked about that. I didn't even know that. Yeah. The kind that has been up in the Bronx who's giving me passes for the kind that is in the Gorda Yankee Stadium all around an athlete and still is today. Brother, I think well. You're on the cutting edge, man, of information I appreciate hearing that today. And we can create our own league. But these are the goals that amnesia. Hey, all right, Justice. Come on. I think, brother, you know what I think, brother? I think we need to implement the Winnie Man Della method for traitors. You know what that means. Yeah, I think we all know what that means. Justice, I thank you for your call. Go ahead, Charles responded justice to us. Come on. When you get a chance, get that book. Black ice is going to blow your mind when you see what they did. They had their own so-called colored ice hockey league. I used to think that we're not good at ice hockey because we don't want to be on the ice and cold. This is cold, but no, them brothers, Africans and Nova Scotia, they were bad. They had their own league revolutionized ice hockey. Right. Anything we do, man, just give us a break. We can make it. But Charles, we got to cut it there. Before we let you go, though, because yeah, because you got to book. Tell us how to get your book as well and how folks can reach you. OK, I'll do real quick after how first. You know, we had a step back in the Mali country. For those of those who don't know, say hell, there's the Kenifazo, Mali and New Jair and West Africa. Those brothers rose up, the masses, they took out the French public governments and kicked the French Americans out. And they've been running a revolution and taking control over their resources, the gold, the coalball, the diamonds, the uranium for their own, and they've been doing great. However, American imperialism and British imperialism, they always plant terrorists in those areas like Al Qaeda, those are plants from the American imperialists and having them terrorize them. So on, I think a couple of days ago, Mali experienced an attack by the terrorists against their general Kamala. And he was killed. They had a suicide bomber that drove a car into his home and killed him, I think his wife and some of his children or grandchildren, a nature of all the deaths. But it was a setback, but not set up nothing to take people out. So they attacked these the health, states, through terrorism, economic isolation, and they're trying to set up a military invasion that could come from Nigeria and some of these surrounding West African countries. So I'll keep the update on that, but we're still in control, but it's under attack. Wow, thanks for the update. How can folks reach you, Charles? Oh, you can reach me on my email, Charles Barron, ph-a-r-l-e-s-b-as-and-brave, a-r-r-o-n-as-n-nation at gmail.com. Charles Barron at gmail.com, there's two hours in Barron. And you can purchase my book on Barnes and Noble Online, called "Speak and Toop the Power." It's online with Barnes and Noble. And then you can listen to us every Thursday from seven to eight on Black Power Media Reloaded on YouTube. I know my wife for 43 years, love my life, she's also elected activist, I know as Barron. And then also on Friday, every Friday from five to six on wba.org, we have a program also entitled "Speak and Toop the Power." All right, thanks, Charles. Thanks for the work you did, so you've been in the fight for a long, long time. So just wanna thank you for what you do. Thank you so much, Carl. All right, that's Charles Barron, former New York, a low maker, eight after tough. Let's move over to California, Anaheim, you know, Mark from Anaheim's Jonas, he's not really, he's not really Mark, and those of you who've listened, it's not really Anaheim, but he's somewhere down there in Southern California. Grand Rising Mark, welcome back to the program. Welcome, one of Mr. Nelson, no biography, no introduction until a listener who I am and why should I even be on the show? Yes, today's the anniversary of the 1992 uprising. Did you recall where you were when he jumped off? Well, for the listeners out there, who may not be familiar with me, I am both a retired Mustang infantry officer from Marine Corps. I'm also retired, LAPD patrol supervisor. And unlike what most people believe, 'cause even if you're gonna wake up idiot, it'll tell you that the Civil Unresse in 1992 went from April 9th until May 3rd, I was deployed for 30 days. So it wasn't just that time period that's indicated by most historians. And of course, I remember where I was, Mr. Nelson, because I had been telling people for more than a year that they were gonna see the largest riots in US history. And I was ignored. I was called conspiratorial. I was called, you know, what they would say, an alarmist, paranoid. Seems like nobody was calling me that on the 29th of April 1992. So yeah, I remember where I was. And I remember I was for the next four weeks. So you know, Mr. Nelson, before we get started, I dedicate my appearance today to the memory of fellow Carolinian, Chelsea Corinne Christ. She left us on January 30th, 2022. Yesterday she would have been 35 years old. Mr. Nelson, we had my fellow Black Surfer, Brandon Gamble on Monday. And he came on this show and discussed mental health within the Black community. Well, Chelsea, I mean, she seemed to have had all Mr. Nelson. She was a television correspondent, a model. She was Miss USA 2019. In fact, because of the COVID-19 pandemic, she became the longest reigning US Miss USA title holder in history. But what I love most about her, Mr. Nelson, she was also an attorney. So while so many other people in her age through who have adopted the iron ran all about me philosophy, Chelsea gave back. She's the work pro bono for the Barry to live project. She also worked with clients in New York City who were low level drug offenders. Some of her work with the Barry to live project helped to free an inmate who had been sentenced to life imprisonment. Yet, in spite of all her success and accomplishments, she suffered from depression. And you know, Mr. Nelson, as this nation continues to spiral in the guild of the age 2.0. And Jim Crow 2.0, I suspect that we're going to see more similar tragedies within the Black community. So for Chelsea, may she rest in power. Getting into 1992, I know we have a lot of serious research worries for listening to this radio show. So I hope they have their note taken material. And now, however, even though I will never appear in this show and provide disinformation, misinformation or outright lies, as I always state, do not believe anything that I tell you. I want you to conduct your own research and decide for yourself. And God knows it's becoming so much more difficult today. I am simply providing food for thought and grounds for research. But I want to tell you folks, I don't talk about things I don't already personally know or that I have not thoroughly researched where I cannot come up with any other conclusion. And Mr. Nelson, you will never hear me refer to what happened in 1992 as the Rodney King riots. It was far more about the senseless murders of Black folks out here in Southern California, including Latasha Harlan's. And that not guilty verdict and see me valley was simply the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. And I want to listen to-- remember, is that I've noticed so many people who probably aren't even old enough to remember in 1992. The rioting, the civil unrest, was not confined to Southern California. There was rioting all over the US, even in Canada. And Mr. Nelson, I began doing radio shows with you in the aftermath of it because I had heard so much opinions. And that's all it was, opinions, people coming on your radio show out here in L.A. and having no facts. So I will also-- and I hope you divide nine folks listening this morning because only did Gregory and Steve Coquie join me in telling the radio audiences in L.A. How at Morehouse University and at Spelman for eternity and sorority students with no criminal records were the shock to discover their names on floppy disks, which were discovered after the students at Top of Lover's Security Guard booth on one of the campuses. Now they had no criminal record, Mr. Nelson, but yet their names were in a file. You understand what I'm telling you? Because it's called political science. And very little happens by accident in US politics. And that includes what you saw happen in 1992 here in L.A. and throughout the country. Now Hollywood Bible on always tells us was coming. Now this film came out after-- because this film came out in 2009-- but I strongly encourage you listen as out there to find the film State of Play. Because that film came out in 2009, but it shows exactly what the plan was to privatize all government agencies, including law enforcement, firefighters, and the US armed forces. And with Trump and the folks in the White House, that's what they're doing. Enough people in this country to manage it. The US be run as a business, with a business man as the president. Well, that's what you have now, Mr. Nelson. And another show I highly recommend is by the profanity and an nudity. Don Chiddle started a television series called "House of Life." That television show, as we call it, "Telai Vision Show," showed exactly how things are done in the corporate world led by your Russian atheist and IAN ran accolades. And you've got folks in DC, including folks like Clarence Thomas, who requires their staff to read and follow IAN ran. That's what's running in the country now. That's all about me, me, me, me. Government agencies were designed to serve the public. Corporations are designed to always show profit. with the John Bruce Lee. society, Ronald Reagan, the John Burst told you, he told the public that the government is your problem. So not that the John Burst society has taken over all three branches of government and nothing. Practically everything I've been trying to warn you folks about since May of 1992 has come into fruition. And you have the John Burst society who's aligned with the Western Gold Foundation and the dark enlightenment to usher in their new form of the new world order theocratic society. And you're going to see a whole letter that come out on the 250th anniversary of US becoming a nation. And just remember this folks, your vice president, JD Man, this is a hardcore darken lighten the darken lightenment disciple. So for all you demanding that Trump be in peach, be careful what you ask for. And we come for our brother. Let me ask you this. So I'm taking a pause because I don't we cover the vote of breaking folks. We don't have much time. So I'm going to try to make this as quickly as possible for some of you can be able to call. And if you have questions or anything you want to ask me this morning, but yeah. All right. Let's take the brand we come back and a question. We got Cliff and Connecticut got a question for you. But I got a question for you. I'll let you respond when we get back from the break. Is this why some of the Democrats seem to be sort of resident going after Donald Trump because of JD Vance. I'll let you respond to that when we get back. Family you two can join our conversation with Mark and Hannah Heim on this the anniversary of the the uprising in LA 1992. It took place. Some of you called it Rodney King rise. But we were there and Mark, myself, we're there. What are your thoughts? 800 450 7876 is number to call to get in and we'll take your phone calls next. We're grand rising family. Thanks to join us on this Wednesday morning. It's a humtay. That means we're halfway through the work week with our guest, Mark from Anaheim. Mark is on because today's the anniversary of the 92 uprising in LA. As he mentioned, it wasn't just confined to Los Angeles. There was, you know, all over the country, even in Canada, even though some people say it started falling to the norm. But you mentioned before we left for the break, the Democrats complicit what's going on. Do they know this? Are they concerned about JD Vance? Why they just, you know, I guess absorbing what Donald Trump is throwing out these days? I'm assuming you're being rhetorical, but you want me as the guest to answer the question. So for you folks out there and Carl little test to this, not that I will speak for them. The greatest telephonic conversations that we could never put on there were between Degregor and Steve Cokley, Carl Nelson and myself, and Steve and Greg are gone. And I bugged Mr. Nelson practically every day. I mean, we're on the phone every day. So he asked you questions that we've already discussed. So he already knows I'm going to tell you are the Democratic complicit? The Democratic party has been complicit since 1980 because in 1980, Ronald Reagan was running for president. And you know, we're in Iran again. Reagan's campaign staff did a great job of doing back door deals with Iran to hold those hostages to help make sure that Jimmy Carter wouldn't get reelected. Well, once Reagan got into the White House, the Democratic party decided that they would have to become more like the Republicans. So the Democratic party abandoned the blacks, abandoned the browns, abandoned the women, abandoned the poor whites, abandoned unions, and got into bed with corporate America. So since 1980, Mr. Nelson, the Democratic party I've referred to them as nothing more than the Republican light party. So yes, Mr. Nelson, of course they're complicit. But then I just complicit, they're also corrupt. See, I was heavily involved in politics. My political teeth were cut when I used to listen to Martha Mitchell, the wife of US attorney, the job misuse, you know. She would get drunk and she would tell all. And that was back in the early 70s. So my political teeth were cut in 1971. But by the early 1990s, when Clinton got into White House, I disassociated myself from all political parties, all political organizations because the scales has finally been lifted from my eyes. And I realized Martha Mitchell was telling the truth. The Democratic party, Republican party are just two wings on the same airplane, Mr. Nelson. Gotcha. 23 out of 10 is I just say this photo. Listen, I came on this radio show in 2015. That's 11 years ago and told you about the F-Dane files. And I told you that they were not going to impeach Donald Trump. And his first month in office, he'd already committed enough high crimes and misdemeanors to be impeached. And I told you they're not going to impeach him because he ran Gambley casinos. And he's got dirt on all of these folks on Capitol Hill because they go to these Gambley casinos. And Gambley has become the number one addiction in this country. So Gambley is going to lead you to fall with the Empire, Mr. Nelson. So will we ever see the F-Dane files, the complete files? No. In fact, you can call it the Iran War, the F-Dane or the F-Dane File War. Who did you work for, Mr. Nothing? Masad. You know, sad because back in my college, sailing days, you know, I had a little thing for Galee and Maxwell. And back in those days, Ted Turner was my all-time favorite sailor and Robert Maxwell was my number two sailor. So I still, you know, I still have a copy of Playboy magazine when Robert Maxwell did the interview. And I was like, he did not say what I just read in this Playboy magazine. He was dead a couple weeks after I got that issue of Playboy magazine. He fell off the back of his sailor of his yacht, which of course was named after Galee. So this stuff goes way back, Mr. Nothing. I couldn't believe what Maxwell was saying and who he worked for. Well, F-Dane was kind of like his one-hissed protégés. Mr. Williams got more dirt on people in the US politics than you can imagine, Mr. Nothing. That's what they do. There's nothing new, Mr. Nothing. You had Tyrone Powers on. That was one of the greatest shows Tyrone Powers ever did, folks. Okay. Trust me. I'm very familiar with the Spook community. And the power that, and I used to call him Gage Gohover. And I didn't call him Gage Gohover because he was gay. I call him Gage Gohover because he was gay. And yet he went out and prosecuted other gays because he was never openly gay. He, so he was a hypocrite. But the reason he had the power of Mr. Nothing is because he kept files not on criminals, but on anybody who might be a political adversary. Now, you know, I spent 24 years at LAPD. LAPD did the same thing. We had what was called Organized Crime and Intelligence Division. They didn't arrest anybody. They kept files on anybody, entertainers, athletes, politicians, no criminal activity, and anybody who in the future might prove to be a potential political, you know, opponent. So when Willie Williams came in as chief, the first thing Willie Williams did was get rid of OCID, which is not saying much because they still exist. They just under a different name. Different players, some of them players, but different names. So yeah, that's what we do. In this book community, you gather intelligence on people that you can use to your advantage, as they say in the corporate world, for leverage. And I came on, Mr. And I came on this show in 2017. I said, "You're listening. I know you guys aren't going to like me telling you this, but would you rather have F.D. and gather dirt on our potential enemies in the so-called Middle East where we can use that dirt to get our agenda? Or would you rather see us send thousands of troops over to the so-called Middle East where they can die on a battlefield?" Well, sadly, Mr. Nelson, you guys saw me and people on Capitol Hill, just in those F.D. files. And N.Y. Algoog, we have you do whatever you want. So I hope that answers your question. Hey, I'm still on the phone. I probably won't have a phone for the next month. I was just shy of everything with the file. This is how deep this is. Back in LA, there was a popular Laker. I'm not going to mention his name. He was dating a popular anchor, TV anchor. Family, you know, both of them, if I mention their names. And they were, they were meeting in these clandestine places out in the valley. And he didn't know because they thought they were, you know, nobody knew. So Mark told me, I pulled him to the side after a game and I told him, just watch yourself, man. He looked at me and started saying, yeah, I know. He said, "Oh, man, thank you, thank you, thank you." But now we can talk about that. I know, yeah, yeah, okay, we'll leave it at that. But those are some of the things, man, that we needed to script. I give you one more. A good, a good closing example. Okay. While, you know, a lot of folks were all in the running at LA PD. I swam laps. And you know, we have a pool right there at LA PD Academy. I've never been to a Dodger game and I never will go to a Dodger game because I know what they did to black and brown and white folks and just moved them out to build a stadium when the Dodgers move from Brooklyn to LA. Yeah, shot is a v. Exactly. And that's directly a Dodger Stadium is directly across the street from LAPD Academy. You know who used to swim laps with me in the morning, isn't it? Who? Who was the most famous manager of the Dodgers? Well, that had to be Tommy Lasorda back then. Tommy Lasorda would come and swim laps with me in the pool and back in those days he used to do commercials with Slim Fast. So when he saw overweight people let the Academy, he would give them free samples of Slim Fast. When Mike Rothmiller, his book about inside LAPD, about you know organized prime intelligence vision was published, which led to Willie William shutting out an organization down in LAPD. Tommy Lasorda's name was in that book and Tommy never swam laps with me at the LAPD Academy pool again. You can't make this stuff up folks and I will never lie to you. You know who else's name was in that book, Mr. Nelson? Oh, Jason. And that book came out before June 12, 1994. I'm just telling you folks, they've had files on me for years. When I say day, I went back to, well, this is the anniversary, Mr. Nelson. So you know most of my mentors were OSS old boys and or like she's a office of strategic services, OSS old boys, office of Naval Intelligence, or an I old boys and former Nazis who came to this country. So in May coming up, we have the, for me, the anniversary of William Kobe, OSS boy, old boy. You folks don't even know William Kobe was one of the guys who helped kidnap the Dalai Lama out of Tibet. I'll never lie to you. Anyway, so I was so angry when they claimed that Kobe had drowned. And you know, Dick Gregor and I did show with you about this, Mr. Nelson, because Kobe, Kobe son was, one of Kobe son was sitting in the audience and Greg was talking about how the fact he didn't believe Kobe had drowned either. And Kobe son was in the audience without Greg knowing about it. So you called me up because Stevie wanted me to come down to the radio station. Do you remember this? Yeah, I remember that. And then I never came to KGL late because nobody was supposed to know who I was. And Stevie started asking me questions about Ron Brown, because Ron Brown was in Air Force 2 that crashed. So you know, he asked me about Ron Brown and I just told him I said well, from what I was told, there was a Air Force criminal who performed a nautopsy who said Ron Brown had a 45 bulletin in his head. So I left, you know, I went back home and then the next day I was so angry. I didn't go to Kobe funeral. Instead, I went to Charleston for college at Charleston alumni weekend reunion. I get to my hotel on Charleston, turn on the take cable TV and who do I see playing at the White House for Ron Brown's family? And Bill Clinton. I was so angry at Stevie. Oh, and by the way, Mr. Nothing, the entire time I was in Charleston, I had a tail on me. And then when I say a tail, I'm serious. I even got pulled over when I could like an idiot. I didn't have the headlights on. So I'm driving a car because back it was cheaper to fly to LA to Atlanta and rent a car for a week. So I drove to Charleston because it was cheaper to rent a car for a week than to fly from Atlanta to Charleston. Well, I had no headlights on. I had been drinking, had out-of-state plates, got pulled over by Charleston PD. And some mysterious tail that I had on me all that time was behind the police car. So I don't know what conversation they have. The guy walks back up to me and goes, "Are you really so or so?" Yeah, have a good evening because they didn't want me to get pulled over by the local cops because they wanted to keep following me. So when Greg had his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and Stevie was there, Stevie started walking towards me. I just said, "A lot. Don't come near me because the last time we talk, I had a tail on me for a week. Stevie just laughed. You can't make this stuff up for us. But the reason I'm telling you all this folks with this, everybody using their smartphones today, everything with AI and chat GBT, the surveillance, I'm describing to you back in the 90s, it's like a romper room. Practically everything you do, you know, here's a good example of this and nothing. We had COVID-19. So all the public schools were cut to shut down. And you have a lot of low-income children who go to public schools. Do you remember when they provided those children with laptop computers, Mr. Nelson? Yeah. Do you know those laptop computers had cameras on them? No, they not know. So these children who are simply studying at home with these free laptop computers, their families and their homes were under surveillance with those laptop computers. And I will never lie to you. Let me throw something in here since we you know we talked about William Kobe, but his son was the one who was suspected. One of his sons was actually the next door neighbor. He's the one who called 911 because he saw this white dog walking down the street with bloody footprints coming from the cold home. No, I didn't know that one. But I know one of his sons supposedly gave Bob Mollie some soccer boots, shoes or whatever. And that's when he pricked him when he put it on it and that's what started the cancer. That's that's alleged. So let me just put the word alleged in there because that's what was floating around. That was a move to get him out because he was he was too too popular and he's managing to get all these white folks following, especially going go to Scandinavia and all these you look at his concerns. This a black man has got all these white these young white folks following. So they had to they had to eliminate him. But that's that's that's part of the story of their of one of Kobe's sons. So I just want to throw that in there. This is all so connected Mr. Nelson because Kobe was in Vietnam. Excuse me. Kobe was in Vietnam from the inception. In fact, well, I shouldn't even say that because any I did Mr. Nelson the first US soldier to die in Vietnam. No, no. Well, when did Johnson send troops in the Vietnam? 1925. Okay. The first US soldier to die in Vietnam was a 1944 OSS boy. Because what happened was I just ain't never lie to you folks. During the World War II when Allied airplanes or US airplanes were shot down and off the coast of Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh was sent people out to rescue US pilots, ally pilots. So he figured at the end of World War II they would get their independence from France. Well, France had already been devastated by Germany during World War II. Mr. Nelson, who do we fight against in World War II? Was it not Japan, Germany, and who else, Mr. Nelson? Who were the access powers? Remember the access powers? Italy. Right. Right. Who were Japan, right? So at the end of World War II, because France was not capable of maintaining their colony in the French Indochina, the United States provided Japanese soldiers with weapons to occupy Vietnam until France was strong enough to return to Vietnam. I got the videos. Anyway, so when the France did return, they met a whole new vehicle. And Ho Chi Minh was using guerrilla warfare and they got their butts whipped, especially in 1954 at the NBM flu. So that's when the United States became more active because they did not want Vietnam to get their independence. And since France is close allies at the US, we began sending advises over there. But our our first advises were killed in 1944, Mr. Nelson. That's a similar thing. So we can't break up. I'm going to tell you why this is connected to Colby when we come back. Okay, interesting. 23 way for the top. They have family. We got a look at the latest news, traffic and weather in different cities. Mark and I, Hannah Heim's join us this morning. This is the anniversary of the 1992 uprising in LA. So Mark came on just to remind us what went down 63 people lost their lives and more than one billion dollars in property damage. 800 450 78 76 will take your phone calls after we check the news, traffic and weather, not different cities that's next. Hang around rising family. Thanks for starting your Wednesday with us. I guessed his mark from Anna Heim. Most of you know Mark's in other three lines, not really from Anna Heim. That's the nom de plume we came up from the cuff room we were wearing on the radio with us. Before we go back to him, let me just remind you kind of later this morning you get a hear from a public enemies professor Griff is concerned about the the amount of AI being involved in the music industry these days before we that we're going to also talk about music with Kerry Gordon. Kerry's the son of Barry Gordon. He's going to give us his thoughts on the movie Michael. Many of you saw that movie. And tomorrow we're in here from Kematologist brother Tony Brad and also Garvey I brother San Gore by A will be here. So if you're in Baltimore, keep that radio locked in tied on 10 10 W L B or free on the Washington DC or around 1450 W L. All right, Mark, I let you finish your thought. We got some folks got questions for you. Man, everything you're saying this one is so out of thought like six degrees of separation. So I'm assuming you've seen the film Michael. Yeah, I saw I haven't seen the film. You do know I nearly shot him back in 87, right? Yes, I heard that story. I laugh, but it's not funny, folks. You know, you hear about all these terrorist groups? Folks, do some research on the Jewish defense league. Because they're bigger and stronger now. Especially now, if you criticize anything about Israel or Jews, you're an anti-Semitic. Well, in '87, we had the Russian ballet out here in LA, and the Jewish defense league was talking about blowing the place up. So I was providing security there, and this black Mercedes come flying through right pass all the checkpoints. And you know, my Marines died over there in Beirut. And that's still personal for me. So I'm thinking this is a suicide bomber in a Mercedes Benz. And these white LA PD cups stopped the guy finally, and they go, "Ah, it's a black female. Let it. Hey, you come handle this. So I come down off the building I was all on, providing security. And I'm glad I didn't shoot him, of course. Imagine that headline Mr. Nelson, "LA PD Kill MJ." So I come down to the car, and it's Michael in the car with. I'm a cally-calkin. Oh, because they were on their way to see Barry Goiety and the folks over at Motown. In fact, he was asking directions, "Can you tell me how to get the Browns in Avenue?" Which is where Motown was located. But why am I telling you this, Mr. Nelson? See, when folks have limo drivers, they don't know where they're going. When they're driving by themselves, they're up to something they don't want anybody else to know. So they don't have to limo drivers. So it's funny you're going to have Miss Goiety come on right after this, because yeah, I'll never forget that day. He was on his way to go see them over at Motown. But getting back to what I said, I must be getting old, because I said the first US soldier died in Vietnam in '44. It was actually '45. So for you research worries out there, because I'll never lie to you. Just look up the name, Albert Peter Dewey, OSS boy. He was killed in Vietnam in 1945. So yeah, we may have gotten into Vietnam on a full scale, and '65. And for all you folks out there, because I heard somebody come on this show and say it again, it's not true. Johnson never intended to go into Vietnam. And since you had a previous guest on who was talking about unions, unions were corrupt, but the unions were the ones behind the scenes who were secretly funding the civil rights movement. So when Johnson was president, he knew he could never get both the civil rights bill and the voting rights act pass. That's why he split it up. They were supposed to be together. And fly the way I should say something. And just stop calling it DEI. It's DEIA. They don't mention the A because the A talks about accessibility, and that has to do with handicap. And they know they won't get their anti-DEI passed if they remind you that the handicap are also going to suffer. It's DEIA. So when Johnson passed it, the compromised Johnson had to do was to give the corporate fashions their Vietnam war. Johnson would have never gotten the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act passed. And the Voting Rights Act had he not given them the Vietnam war. But getting back to Colby. So what happened with Colby? Colby was in Vietnam since the inception in the late 50s. And with my background, we used to call CIA Catholics an action. And Colby was a hardcore Catholic. And when Vietnam ended, we had the congressional hearings on Capitol Hill and the Operation Phoenix assassinating political leaders and stuff like that. And Colby was brutally honest. Now I don't know. I don't get into all the cycle babbling, whether he spelled "gilton" remorse because his daughter had died and he never spent time at home because he was always overseas, whatever. But he was so brutally honest that Gerald Ford, who was the interim president, because they'd already gotten rid of. first they got rid of Agnew, replaced him with Gerald Ford, then they got rid of Nixon. Gerald Ford became president. Gerald Ford picked Rockefeller at vice president. You guys had a president and vice president. Nobody had ever voted for him. Well, Gerald Ford told Colby he had to go. That's how Daddy Bush became CIA director. Daddy Bush was only CIA director for one year. When Carter became president, Daddy Bush begged Carter to allow him to remain at CIA director. Carter replaced Daddy Bush with Stan's Field Turner. And Mr. Osan, as you know, back in the '90s, you had Sicily Tyson on your show. But Sicily was a little angry at me because she and Stan's Field Turner used to sit on the White House Fellowship. And I was offered both a full-bright scholarship and a White House Fellowship, which I refused because being a single dad with two children were more important to meet and sell them my soul and go on to DC. Well, Stan's Field Turner became CIA director. Jimmy Carter fired hundreds of CIA personnel. And, under Stan's Field Turner, replaced him with satellite. So, you know why you folks are talking all this stuff today about surveillance? It started mainly with the Vietnam War when Johnson had his Wiz kids using computers to figure out how to fight a war. But folks are acting like the Iranian war is some new thing using AI and computers. They've been using computers to fight the war since Vietnam. And for you folks who really do some research, you'll know they asked the computer, when will we win the war in Vietnam? The computer said you already did back in '65. I'm not lying to you. So, why am I telling you all this? Mr. Nelson, we had the Iran Contra hearings, John Burst Society, Iran Contra hearings. One of the war criminals around contra hearings was Admiral John Point Dexter. When he left, he went into the civilian world and he's basically the father of your surveillance. So, this brother who's coming on this month and talking about AI, I hope he knows a little bit about John Point Dexter. Because all the stuff that's going on with these agencies and Point Dexter, he started recruiting in people like Peter Teal and Elon Musk who were young bucks in the computer world. That's where your enjoyment now has become between John Burst Society and the dark enlightenment. So, when they talk, would they even call the number one surveillance in this country right now, Mr. Nelson? I think it starts with a P. But anyway, it was developed here. It was used by Israel, Israel perfected it and now is used as surveillance. So, what you see happening in Gaza is now going to happen in the United States. Complete surveillance. Big brother, 1984, whatever you want. So, everything we're saying this morning is all six degrees of separation. But Mr. Nelson, I know we're running out of time, so please take some call with me. All right, close waiting for us. He's called from Connecticut, this online one grand rising cliff. You're called for Mark. Well, grand rising by the call. And yes, I've been waiting a long time. It's a pleasure to think of my call by the mark. Listen, now I want you to be honest because you said you were never lie. So now there's been 11, maybe 12 scientists that are now missing. I don't know if you heard about that in addition to that. And here's my final point, my final question. There has been congressional hearings and we have military and law enforcement officers in addition to civilians and citizens to have witnessed the existence of UAPs. In your opinion, never lie. Do they exist and who are they? All right, not only do you have a level of scientists missing. So, Mr. Nelson, do you remember the Malaysian flight that went missing? Yeah, went down. He had the top scientists from China when I had a Malaysian flight. You were that. But the answer first question. Okay. Do they exist? Yes. How do I know? I see them. I was out when I was stationed at 29 pounds. I was part of rapid deployment for so. I used to take my Marines out in the desert. So one night we're in the middle of the desert and the great thing about being out in the desert, you're away from the city lights. So you don't have all that bright light that obstructs your view from the skies. And most people don't look up anyway. So I'm laying in my sleeping bag and I'm like, okay, I see this, but I damn sure I'm going to say nothing because my Marines and I'll think I'm crazy. But then I overheard my Marines all going, check that one out. Whoa, check that one out. I'm telling you, Mr. Nelson, but I train my Marines well. We came back from the desert back to main side, 29 pounds and none of my Marines ever mentioned what we saw that night. I'm just telling you there's no way in the world what we saw. It's from the United States or any other government technology. The stuff they were doing in the sky, it was unbelievable. More recently, well, in the 90s, and I trained LAPD Academy for 10 years. So one of my female recruits, she's listening to your show here in L.A. and I trained them well. So she called me up one night and she goes, hey, I got a com talk to you, but I can't talk to you on the phone. And I can tell you this not because you'll never figure out who she was, but she was working a certain division over on the west side of L.A. And graveyard's working middle of the night. And the next day, everybody in her division got interviewed by men in black. I wish I was joking, but I'm not. And she said, I ain't seen nothing. That's exactly how she told them because I had trained. the world. What did they see, Mr. Nelson? Off the coast of Santa Monica, Mr. that's a hotbed for activity that goes underwater. So you listen, you go do some ritual and that. Off the coast of Santa Monica, there's a major hotbed of sightings of things that we don't have. We can't explain that go into the water underwater, channel islands and stuff. So I hope that answers to brother's question. And I've done what you're gonna do by the time. Four away for the top. Come on, break real quick. So Gene, your question for Mark will quickly. Gene's behind to you. Go to Gene. Uh huh. Folks, look at the film. They live because the film they live at the end of the film specifically mentions the year 2025, which is when Trump swore in and it tells you how they were so thankful for the cooperation between certain people on the planet humans with the aliens and how they were going to rule. But the folks who are humans who are in the know would benefit on Wall Street. All right. We're just ever signing the code up with the traffic and with a different cities. Three away from the top. The out of Mark, come out behind. We'll take your phone calls for him after you check the traffic this next and grand rising family. Thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning or busy Wednesday morning. It's a hump day. That means we're halfway through the work week. Uh, momentarily we can speak with Kerry Gordy. Kerry is one of Barry Gordy's sons. We're gonna talk about Michael Jackson's movie Michael. Kerry actually went to elementary school with Michael. But let's wrap up with Mark from Anaheim. Gene has a question for your Mark. He's calling from Pikesville in Maryland. Grand Rising Gene, your question for Mark. Yeah, grand rising guys. I'm going to have it Tom Plancy saying. I read all his books. Um, it's in reference to the P word. You were looking for a mark. I think it's Phoenix. I think that's the, uh, the software that is really perfected and there is no, uh, coat. What is it? No password that you can create that they can't crack on your phone. And if you remember, go back to the days when Sydney Portia was in the in the movie sneakers because that movie came out and told you no more secrets. Remember that? Yes, I'll. Yep. And I, I'll start writing code back in 77, 78, uh, my son writes code now. And so, uh, while I was questioning you with Manchurian, the company I'm talking about is Palantir. Oh, Palantir. I never heard of that one. Thank you for that. Yeah, Palantir is, um, they're the big boys, but I'm sorry, go ahead. No, that's okay. Um, uh, and so my question is, is centered around the Manchurian candidate, you know, um, the use of LSD, marijuana marijuana is legal now to uh, brainwash people, uh, to do the bidding of, uh, you know, uh, the alphabet agencies, so forth and so on. So you have an insight in it and, uh, we have Randolph Hersh if you know anything about Randolph, her, Patty Hersh. Okay. That wow. Really appreciate it. All right. So I got to make this quick because I know we're running out of time. So here's the famous number. So I don't know if the brothers referring to the original Manchurian candidate or the crazy one with Denzel Washington, but in, we know it's fascinating about Hollywood because Hollywood Babylon always tells you what's going on in Manchurian candidate. You never see a black person until the very end of the film when the sniper who's trying to kill the president is handled by a black person who they never identify or never tell you who he is. Look at all the movies like sneakers and everybody else. You always had James Earl Jones who comes in as this Navy admo who always worked for CIA or ONI or some other alphabet agency at the, at the very end of the movie. Now with Manchurian candidate, that's why I told people there was no chance that John McCain would ever be president because there are too many folks who believe that John McCain was put a potential Manchurian candidate and it was no coincidence that Hollywood came out with that remake with Denzel Washington when John McCain was running for president. Does Littanyall know? As far as LSD, you look at the Unibama, Taggazanski. He was a CIA, a CIA LSD experiment. See, CIA thought LSD could be used as a truth serum and it didn't work out so well. So there are a lot of whole pro-fab serial killers and people who have done some very heinous things in this country that unfortunately were early experimenties of CIA's LSD program. And I'm sorry, brother, but there was, oh, her, it's the hers family. Okay, one of the greatest resources for you, folks, if you want to get all photographs is the Los Angeles Public Library. They have a website, unbelievable resource. You will see absolutely nothing about the Patty Hearst because the Hearst family has so much power over the Los Angeles Public Library. It's like it never happened. And I'll just say you straight out about Patty Hearst. Donald DeFrees was the guy who was the so-called leader. Thank you of the SLA, Syngonese Liberation Army. Patty Hearst was sleeping with Donald DeFrees when he was still in prison. She would go into some college up there in the Bay Area and they used to go to prisons to listen to prison inmates and stuff. That whole thing was orchestrated to set off Nixon's Houston plan, H-U-S-T-O-N plan. But even a guy who Nixon appointed a Supreme Court fought him against it. So I'm just letting you folks know very little happens in politics by accident. Nixon was already gone when the Syngonese Liberation Army thing was company. But John Burr's society, he was the attorney general of California and they were still pushing a situation that would upset even the most liberal whites in this country to demand rounding up black people. That's what Patty Hearst was all about. And by the way, practically every member of the Syngonese Liberation Army were former police informants, including Syngonese, Donald DeFrees who just walked out of Ackerville. He just walked out of Ackerville prison and military intelligence. So for you folks out there, good luck finding it. Find a book called The Glass House Tapes because Parker Center, LAPD's former headquarters, where you may spark a building was called The Glass House. And that book tells you everything about all these conspiracies that were cooked up by Evel Younger and the far right John Burr's society in California. Most of your terrorist, crypts, bloods, they all were manufactured when they were done mind control in the California prison system. So I hope to answer to the gene's question. Yeah, thanks Mark. How long have you got what I have phone service with the Nelson? We'll find out later but thank you for sharing that information with us. I'll never lie to you folks. But you know, I'm never said I haven't told you anything because trust me anything I'm telling you, you can find doing your own research. There's so many things I will never share. Well, I share with Mr. Nelson. Hey, you'll tell you he has a lot of phone problems too. Right. We're going to get phone problems today as well. I know that after this. But thanks Mark. And in closing because I know you have a good online folks try to find a documentary by Randy Holland is called The Fire This Time. It tells you everything about what happened in 1992, including how I mean how unarmed unlocks freight trains were left down in the hood. With guns and ammunition knowing that black folks would break into those thinking they're going to get TV sets and they were army themselves. And this is before April 29th. And in closing, Mr. Nelson, because I mentioned the film they live. It's a movie about UFOs. It has LAPD in the homeless in there. This is the direct quote from 1988. Our projections show that by the year 2025, not only America, but the entire planet will be under the protection and the dominion of this power alliance. The games have been substantial for both ourselves and for you, the human power elite. You have given us on trade to the resources we need for our ongoing quest for a multi-dimensional expansion. And in return, the per capita income of each of you here tonight has grown by an average of 39%. Those were the aliens talking to the power 1% elite that run the planet. Stay Black, y'all. Love you. Thanks Mark. Nine after the top of the hour. Let's bring in Kerry Gordy in front of now. Grant Ryzen, Kerry. Welcome back to the program. Hey, Carl. How you doing, my brother? I'm doing great. Kerry, by the way, family is very Gordy. One of Barry Gordy's son is also, he's also producer of the my Sunday best. It's the on-tall story of Ed Sullivan and is currently running on Netflix. And congratulations, Kerry. Find out that you've been nominated for an Emmy. You're also a P-body. So I just want to thank you for, you know, and congratulate you for that. Oh, man, thank you so much. And by the way, you know, you have to me on your show was absolutely very helpful. in getting it out there and getting it popularized. And I'm so excited that the industry has acknowledged us with the nomination of an Emmy. And especially, which a lot of people don't know, the pee body, because in our industry, the pee body represents cultural significance. And it's a very coveted, coveted award. So thank you and all of your fans and people for actually giving us the platform to be heard and be seen and to make it a hit. And anybody that still wants to see it, it's called Sunday Best, the untold story of Ed Sullivan. And we told it from our perspective, as opposed to the perspective of Elvis and the Beatles and the way that the establishment wanted to tell us, we told it our way. Sunday Best on Netflix and it's still available to be seen now. And thank you for mentioning the pee body. We received a pee body for our coverage of the '92 uprising in LA. And today's the anniversary of the LA uprising. So thank you for mentioning that, Carrie. But Carrie, I want to get-- That's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah. I just wanted to talk to you about Michael, because you went to elementary school with Michael. He was sort of his best friend at the time. I guess he's very limited. From the movie, we could tell. He didn't trust everybody. How did he gain your trust? Was it because he knows he was Barry's son? Trusted you in when you guys were in elementary school? No, I don't think-- Well, first of all, of course, Barry said he had something to do with it because obviously, Michael and the Jackson's were signed to Motown. But it's really funny. He didn't meet me at Barry's son. He met me as a fifth grader at Garden Street Elementary School. And this is before I want you back. My father had brought them out here, but I was living with my mother. So to that end, I would go to school. He would go to school. And back in Hollywood, back in those days, we were a couple of the only two black kids in school, the same age. So we gravitated to one another. And we became best friends at school. And it was amazing. And how did that take off then? At some point, Michael, they had to be home school. How did that break up in GDC hanging around Motown? Well, the fact is that when you're an entertainer like that, it's very hard for you to stay in school because of all of the traveling, all of the first thing that you have to do. So yeah, they went to-- it was really interesting. All of the Jackson's went to different schools. Let's see, the me and Michael and Randy. We went to Garnet Street School and then Marlon LaToya and Jemaine went to a school called Bankcroft, which was a junior high school. And Tito and Jackie went to Fairfax, which was a high school. And we all used to play in the same part, West Hollywood and the part together. They were incredibly athletic. They were incredibly fun. And so they had to kind of drop out of school as time went on because they didn't have the time to rehearse. So they were home school or schooled on the set or whatever it is like that. 14th and 1/2 at the time. Family, I guess, is Carrie Gordy's, one of Barry Gordy's sons. And also, as you mentioned, he went to elementary school of Michael Jackson, become lifelong friends with Michael. Carrie, your thoughts on the movie? Were you an impression of the movie? How did you see it? First of all, the movie from my perspective was phenomenal. And it was phenomenal because just far, the nephew of Michael, who was one of your main sons, not only did a good job with it, an amazing job with all of the dancing and everything that Michael was. He physically channeled Michael, knowing Michael so intimately as I did, the mannerism, just the way that he took in everything that everybody brought to him was truly amazing. And he should, and I know how hard it is, but he should be nominated for an Academy Award. That performance was phenomenal. It wasn't just good. It was phenomenal. And your audience-- and by the way, that's evident by the box office receipt. It's one of the biggest growths in box office hits in history. Yeah, I went to see. But some of the folks-- some of the detractors say they didn't like it. They were picking up on the vibe from Janet and Michael's daughter as well, because they say it didn't tell the story in totality. They left out chunks. You're a producer now. Your thoughts when you hear that kind of conversation? Well, here's a thing. Anytime you do a movie or a television show or anything, you can do a movie 100. It can be 100% true. But the fact of the matter is, obviously, there's going to be stuff left out. Now, the producers of this movie had a vision. And their vision was of Michael Jackson from a positive perspective. And they hit it out of the park. And they say that there's another movie that shows basically like the second half of his incredible meteorite rise. But this was the exact movie that it should have been. And it was the exact Michael that I knew 100%. All right, hold that thought right there. We've got to step aside for a few moments. We come back. We'll talk more about the movie. Hey, family, if you've seen the movie, Michael, you've got a question. This man, you need a post. So this Kerry Gordy, this Barry Gordy son, he grew up with Michael. 800, 450, 78, 76 will get you in. We'll take you phone calls next. And rising family, thanks for starting your Wednesday with us. I guess this Kerry Gordy carries a son of Barry Gordy. It carries a producer in his own right. He's documentary, if you will. My Sunday best, the on-tall story of Ed Sullivan film. And it's currently running on Netflix. You got to check that out. And Kerry, one of the first texts we got for a question for you was did Michael and his brothers perform on Ed Sullivan? Yes, they did. As a matter of fact, they were-- as a matter of fact, that was literally-- I guess the first year that I saw Ed Sullivan was the introduction of the Jackson Five. And Ed Sullivan had an audience of between 35 and 50 million people. But you know what? I'm not going to tell him about the-- I'm not going to tell him about the documentary. He really needs to go check it out because there are incredible facts in there as it relates to black people in general and how they were humanized by Ed and made to look like normal, respectable, reasonable people. Because back in those days, blacks were not represented correctly on TV. They were maids and buttloos. And you're a little boss and all of that stuff. So whoever that question, whoever asked that question, should definitely go to Netflix and check it out. And the Jackson's performance was amazing, as was Diana Ross and this was for Dreams, as was Stevie Wonder and all the other most-pound acts that we had on there, as well as people like Sammy Davis, Jr. and Elephant Stirl. But anyway, go check it out. Right, it's currently running on Netflix. Back to Michael's movie. And family, if you see the movie, let us know. If you don't, you got to check it out. It's phenomenal. I saw it myself this weekend. Carey, you mentioned that Jafar nailed Michael's character. What about the dad who played Joseph? From what you know about Michael's father, [BLANK_AUDIO] Was that was that portrayal by Domingo? I think it's the name of Domingo. Was that accurate as well? Yeah, it was pretty accurate. The reason I say it was pretty accurate is because when I was a child, Joseph was around a bit. I would visit over the Jackson House in in Tino. Joseph was an intimidating character and I knew I never had anything to worry about because, you know, I was a very gordy son. But man, oh man, he was pretty intimidating and Michael definitely felt away when he was with Joseph. I mean, when Joseph was around, the childness of Michael was kind of, you know, be halted a little bit and he would, you know, he would tighten up when Joseph was around. So I think that Coleman did a great job of giving the essence of who Joe was. And you can't talk about Joe in this movie without mentioning Billy Bray. Billy Bray was the security. She got a chance to meet Billy Bray back in the day. But how did he, how did he, was Billy hired by Mohtam by your dad or is he hired by Joseph? I believe Billy was hired by Joseph. I remember when Billy Bray first came around and when I say Billy Bray was around all the time, especially I remember like when we were 13, 13, 12, 13, 14, and 15, there was never a time that Billy Bray wasn't around. As a matter of fact, me and Mike, when they were doing it, when the Jackson were doing like a Vegas, they were at the MGM Grand Hotel. Me and Michael were running around the casino like crazy. And what we were doing with me and Mike were doing is we both had security. We were trying to get rid of Dodge, Billy Bray, and my guy's name was Lawrence Watson. We were trying to avoid them and we did. And we did. And it was really funny. We knew that neither one of them, our security people could tell our parents because they were getting trouble if our parents found out that we ditched them. Wow, that's 26 out to the top. Now, and Kerry, it's Billy Bray's presence in Michael's life. Is that the void that was filled because of Joseph? Is the reaction to his dad? Well, Billy Bray did play a very important, important role, not just being kind of a guardian type and kind of a father type, but he was a real friend to Michael. Because remember, Michael, Michael conceptually was a little bit lonely in general because I mean, I was with when Michael and I were together alone, it was it was amazing because he could just be the kid that he was. But when other people would come around, especially, you know, the girls and stuff and chasing them and pulling at his clothes and everything, Michael was kind of always on the run because they were they they didn't know how to really deal with him. And even I remember we would be in the room with with with people and Michael wasn't so communicative. So when they would say hi, like a girl would say hi, Michael, he would go hi. And it would be an uncomfortable kind of silence because the girl wouldn't know what to do. She was, you know, they were all in awe of Michael. So he felt more like a fish in a fishbowl where people were looking at him and and they didn't know how to react to him because they were in awe. And he was just pretty shy and his answers were very short. But once they would leave the room or anything, then we would go back to doing whatever we were doing, playing whatever games or painting or or or doing whatever we were doing, you know, on the on the on the school yard, whether it was a tether ball or or handball or prisoner or whatever we were playing. 28 out of the top they have family. I guess it's Carrie Gordy's, Barry Gordy's son and he grew up with Michael. They went to grade school together, elementary school and discussing the movie. If you've seen the movie, Michael, let us know what you think about it. And one person already tweeted and the treater says, Carrie, it felt like I was at a Michael Jackson concert, the music and jafar's talent speaks for itself. All of the actors showed up and showed out. We loved it. So that's a three question. You want to respond to that three or four? Well, I thought that the movie was great. Now what exactly was that question that you were asking? What was the question? They just said that it was more like a concert than a movie. Well, first of all, the producers, you know, John Brankham and and John McClain and all of the, you know, the Jackson family that were involved with it and there were a lot, excluding, you know, I guess Janet and Randy, but most of the other brothers and sisters were involved and so was Michael's son. They wanted it to, they wanted people to experience it like people remember Michael and most people remembered Michael in a concert setting and they wanted to, they wanted everybody to feel that and that's exactly how it ended up feeling. So I agree with that person. And that's why we have you because you saw the other side of Michael. We just saw him concert. We just saw him as an entertainer, but you saw the real person. So that's why we have you, this one, get your thoughts on the movie. But I got another tweet for you. The tweet says, Kerry, it seemed that Michael liked, liked living at home in spite of his relationship with Joseph. Can you explain that? I guess you're saying why did Michael move out? Well, first of all, he, he felt comfortable there because he was secure there. Like I said, Michael lived in a fishbow. So Michael could not go anywhere by himself because he was such a big star for such a young age. You're talking about 10 years old, you know, having his first four records come out and the number one, having their first big tour at Madison Square Garden. This was a phenomenon. You know, Michael and the Jackson's were the first time that young black people got to see somebody like them on stage when when people would go to see a Michael Jackson concert, they, I mean, a Jackson five concert, they were they were they were privileged. They felt like they were privileged. This was for all intense and purposes, our version of the Beatles. So, I mean, he could not he could not go anywhere in the same way that Elvis couldn't go anywhere. It was just that he was that popular and that big amongst amongst urban youth and and by the way, not only not only the black kids, it was white, it was it was it was everybody. It was everybody. Everybody that was at that age and that demographic and that psychographic. Can you explain that universal appeal that he had though? Sure. I mean, okay, here's the thing. Michael in my opinion was the greatest performer that ever lived and so the appeal wasn't based on color race. It was based on talent and I mean, before that, I remember my favorites were James Brown and the temptations. Right? Because whenever you would go see a James Brown show, you would see a real show, you know, it was amazing. Whenever you went and saw a temptation show, it was a real show and then come the Jackson Five and that was an amazing show. So the appeal was based on the fact that when you went to a Jackson 5 show, you were entertained, whether you were black, white, Jewish, Italian, it didn't matter. You were entertained. And that is, and Japanese, whatever it was, that was the reason for his international appeal. Got you. 27 away from the top of that brother. Coabana is drawn us from Washington DC. Has a question for you. Or he wants to give his opinion on the movie. Grant rising brother. Coabana, you're on with Kerry Gordy. Grant rising brother, Quacy, Kevin and Kerry and radio one listening audience. Kerry, now I haven't seen the movie yet. And I haven't had the pleasure of seeing the play, which I would like to, I guess, a still not too late. But I wanted your opinion on the comparison of the movie and even the play, but especially the comparison of the movie and the many series, the TV many series. Because to me, I was like, okay, I thought the TV many series was awesome and I didn't think that you really needed to rehash the story because the many series seemed to really do a great job. But I obviously see the movie, but what's your, oh, and one other question. Are those, if the daughter and the son and the daughter of Michael, those are his real biological children. So that's my two questions, the comparison of the many series and the movie and those really his biological children. Well, first off, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, kind of, at preview to say what happened between him and Debbie and how they, you know, how they, you know, conjured up those children. I can't, I can't speak for that. That was a little later. But as I'm told, as I'm told, they are. But I can't give you 100% on that because I wasn't, I wasn't there. With regard to the, with regard to the movie as opposed to the many series, as you know, the past and the movie was a motown. We did that. So we did it from our perspective. We did it from our perspective and, and I thought it was, I thought it was great. I thought it told the story that it needed to tell. It didn't go into some of the stuff that the movie went into. And, and, and, and I believe that jafar's, that jafar's rendition of Michael was more of a, more of a channeling of Michael than an acting of Michael. So I think they both have merit. And I think that they're both great. And, and I think that it was a necessary because obviously the movie had a bigger budget. It had, it had, you know, more, let's call it more foundational movie type of things that you get when you do something on a big scale and a big budget. So I, I think that they were both great. And the play, I thought it was good too. So I just, I, I, it's everything that to me, everything that the estate has done with regard to their media project. I think have been great. I think they picked the right. And hold that thought right there. Carey got a step aside for a film moments when we get back. I let you finish your thought. But also I want to ask about Motown 25, the TV series, because you mentioned Susan DePasse. Folks, you want to get in on this conversation and carry Gordy. We want to bury Gordy's son. You grew up with Michael Jackson. We talk about Michael's movie. Michael, that's a title of the movie. Have you seen it or not? What are your thoughts about Motown or Michael Jackson reach out to us at 800-450-78? 76. And grand rising family thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning. It's a hump day. That means we're halfway through the work week with our guest, the Carey Gordy. Carey is one of Barry Gordy's son who's the executive producer of his, his documentary, if you will, on Son Netflix right now. You got to check it out. It's called My Sunday Best, the on-tool story of Ed Sullivan. And as I mentioned, it's on Netflix and it's been nominated for an Emmy and also a P-body. So it's a great flick. Those are your certain age. You really enjoy those of us who remember watching Ed Sullivan. It was Sunday nights. Watching the shows, they bring back a lot and a lot of memories. Before we go on with, let me remind you, coming up late this morning with a speaker in another entertainment, a public enemy. It's Professor Griff. We're going to talk about the fact of AI. AI is changing the music industry. And tomorrow we're going to be joined by chemitologist Tony Browder and also Gavia Brillessango by A. So family, make sure that you keep that radio locked tight. If you're in Baltimore on 1010 WLB or free in the Washington DC or on 1450 WL, Carey, Motown 25, brought together the celebration on TV where we saw a marvin, an up marvin. We saw Michael do that moonwalk. But also there were two, I actually called him Prodigal Suns. Marvin came back as well. And there was some talk about Marvin. I felt he was out. Sean, if you will, by Michael, he thought because he had that, he'd record out at the time that he would be, he would be the man of the hour, if you will. It was really true to that old that just industry scuttle button. So first of all, everybody that came back for Motown 25, came back to honor their own legacy and the legacy of Motown. Everybody was happy for everybody else. And everybody that was there was a family. So whether it was Marvin or Smoky or Diana or even Richard Pryor, who obviously was in Lady Singles of Blue or the Debarge or whoever it was that was on that show, everybody came back because of the love they had for the history that the company had made. You know, obviously Motown was the number one Black-owned or minority-owned business in America for 10 years. And they were so proud of what they had done. So even people that had left and gone to CBS or at the time, Epic or Warner or wherever they were, everybody came back and nobody was jealous of the other person. But they were all such major stars in their own right from Liner Ritchie to Dinerogri. So all of these were stars that were used to being the headline bill. All of them, right? So you could see how people could come up with that. But backstage it was a total love that. Got you. You know, growing up with when you're growing up with Michael and you've been around in a tennis all your life. So you've seen them, you've seen them in a natural state and all of a sudden they're, you know, international superstars. What was it like when you saw Michael blow up? Well, it's really funny. In elementary school, he was just a, he was just, you know, my friend Mikey. And as we grew up and I see I had a different perspective than everybody else because it was funny. The world kind of looked at him and all. And I looked at him as, you know, one of my father's artists at Motown. So I could be more honest with him than other people. So to that end, and I was around him so much during this time, I could tell him, oh, you know what that dance that he didn't hit that dance dep correct or when you sang this notes, you should have sang it like this or whatever it was, I could say things to him that other people couldn't say. So to that end, as he was growing up, as he was growing up and getting better, I was kind of the one of the, one of the people that could actually tell him and he appreciated it, he appreciated it because most people as he was coming up would tell him exactly what they thought he wanted to hear. And they thought he was so great that they didn't see anything wrong in the thing that that he was doing. I knew he was a perfectionist. And I knew he wanted to get it totally right. So I would just tell him whatever I felt. And in most times, he would, he would totally agree with me. What was the, the genesis of your question? Yeah, yeah, when, because you know, all of a sudden you, you're with him, you guys go to go, you know, elementary school and all of a sudden he's like famous, you know what I'm saying? but you've been for you because you've been around famous people all the boats out Well, actually been around it. Remember when they came to Motown, when they came to Motown, there was already a Stevie Wonder and a Diana Ross and a Marvin Gaye and a Tim Patience and the four tops and the Izzie Brothers and George. I mean, there was a lot of famous stars when they were in awe of the people that were signed to Motown. So it was just a natural progression. It was actually an expectation because if my father gave somebody the thumbs up or group the thumbs up, those people were going to get the whole machinery of Motown. And that was a total machinery. So I expected them to blow up. Absolutely. Two of away from the top of the out that the tweeters are busy today. Another three for you. Please tell Kerry that it warmed my heart when he did the victory tour with his brothers. It seemed like it was all about family for him. Was it all about family? Was it? And this probably answers the other question that someone posed earlier about the fact that he stayed at home, even though he could have left home and it was, you know, suppose again, that abuse from Joseph. So was it about the family thing with Michael? Absolutely. The victory tour was his ability to give back to the family and make sure that everybody in the family was going to be a self sufficient and and rich for the rest of their lives. If they took care of their money correctly because he gave them all the opportunity to make more five millions of dollars on that tour. Yeah, and on the movie too. But let me ask you so did you have any interaction with Janet? Was she around by that time? Or was she was Janet came later as they say? I'm at Janet originally at the at the MGM Grand Hotel and I think it was probably in 1977. The maybe maybe 75 or 76. And she she was a star back then she would come on and they would do tap dancing and she would play a May West character and she and Randy had their own little funny and share bit. And so she was very cute and she was a star back then and I remember Michael used to tell me she's going to be a big star right because he really believed in Janet. I mean, really believe in Janet. So yeah, I met her then and also I ended up doing an episode. I used to act to doing an episode of different strokes with her when she played. Todd Bridges is girlfriend on the show and I actually I actually did an episode with them on the show and you know, but we were we were we were great. We were good friends too. I would say great friends. And she's very sweet just like Michael. Oh wow. 10 away from the time their family carry Gordys our guest carries one of Barry Gordys son is also it's also the executive producer of movie a documentary if you will let's run on Netflix right now. Oh yeah, and I also wanted to say that Janet when she when she got bigger she was actually brought into an M records to buy it by John McClaim who actually went to school with with Tito and and Jackie and he's one that brought Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis in to do her album. And now and now he is the executive of the state that actually put this movie together. So all of that all ties in. Yeah, I saw that that's the whole thing comes full circle. But you know in the movie carry mentioned something about if he didn't take this song or do this song. God would give it to Prince. He mentioned Prince. I know you've worked with Prince. What are your thoughts when you saw that that part of the movie? Well, first of all, I knew that was true because Michael was like, okay, it's me and print. It's me and print. Right. It was a there was something there was something jokingly about it whenever he would mention Prince, but there was also something serious about it. So yeah, there was a there was a little bit of a competition between the imprens as a matter of fact, I saw a little. And remember I ran Prince's company. So I ran Tazley Park. So there was a show that print Michael Jackson and James Brown all were attending. And I mean it was a James Brown show and James Brown knew that Michael and both Prince were in the audience and James Brown called Michael and Prince up to the stage. So he called Michael up to the stage first. Hey, and Michael, you know, did his dad did his thing and then he called Prince up to the stage and Prince was so in the all and so intimidated by Michael and James Brown that he really didn't do a great, a great show, a great show that night and boy oh boy, it was a that was a, that was really a department for Prince because he was like, oh my god. I finally had the ability to be up with both of my idols and I didn't do it as well as it should have been done. Oh, wow, I love to say that. But let me ask you, though, since you ran Pissie Park, did Prince ever talk about the rivalry with Michael? No, he didn't really, Prince didn't really talk about any rivalry with Michael. He talked about the fact that he thought Michael was the greatest performer. And, and he definitely looked up to Michael. But remember, Prince came around like in that 7778 and Michael came around in 68. So, 6869. So, therefore, Prince, you know, the Jackson, the Jack and five were already 10 years into their, you know, their stardom. So, Prince just looked up to the, to the Jack and remember Prince and the Jacksons were doing all of the ride on magazines and so magazines and Black Star magazines together. So, it was, it was a, it was a little bit of a rivalry, but, but, Prince looked up to Michael and the Jackson. Six away from the top of the corner of the break real simple, I got to just carry on about the movie again, the depiction of Michael's mom, near long portrayed Michael's mom and she's great actress. Did she nail it as well? She nailed it. She nailed it. Catherine for this day is a very sweet mild, make a person with purpose. And the only thing is they portrayed her as loving Michael more. She was, and is a loving mother, a loving grandmother. And she is wonderful for all of her children and all of her grandchildren. It wasn't the, the one thing about the movie that I think could have been expanded a little more is, but you know so many choices that have to be made. And they wanted to show how close she and Michael were and she and Michael were very close, but she's close with all of her, all of her offspring. And so she should because she's a she's a mother, but yeah, you're right. They said that in the movie that look played that way in the movie 800 450 78 76, what kind of breaks? Kevin, can we take another call? Do we have to go the break? Kevin's not saying anything. Let's go the break. Then we'll come back. We'll talk to Christian Christians call us for Malibu family. You two want to get in this conversation with Kerry Gordy. Kerry's Barry Gordy's son discussing Michael Jackson's movie. If you haven't seen it, please go and see it. You'll enjoy it. It's self title Michael. That's the name of the movie. We'll take your phone calls next and grand rising family. Thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning with Kerry Gordy. Kerry's Barry Gordy's son. One of his sons, I should say. And also he's the executive producer of my Sunday best, the on-tool story of Ed Sullivan is currently running on Netflix. And the project has been nominated for an Emmy award and a P body awards. So go out and check it out. It's just and for those of us on age, it's just bring back a lot, a lot of memories. Kerry's I mentioned before we left for the break. The Christian and Malibu has a question for you. Okay. Grand Rising Christian. How you guys doing? So I want to take it back to 1994 and that was the year that I'm not the call one of the album of the year for instead of. But I want to go back and move you Goldberg was hosting the Grammys, but I want to go back to the R&B category. With this woman who had the greatest voice I've ever heard, Lisa Fisher, how can I entertain just being to everybody, adding the bail for burning, Luther Vangel, the power of love, boys and men, to see who loves, Luther Vangel and Ken, for the power of love with Marcus Miller. She was excellent, and then after that she went into obscurity. Why do you think that was? Well, there's a lot of reasons. A lot of reasons that people don't make it or don't continue on. And most of it has to do with team. If you don't have the correct team, you may get one hit, but it won't sustain because that team needs to, you know, they need to have the creative element. If they need to have the business affairs element, they need to have the financial element, they need to have the marketing, promotion, sales, social media, and collections element. And if they don't have all of those elements, there's somebody overseeing all of those elements for them. They might have short term success, but they are not going to sustain. They have to have the right agents and attorneys and so forth and so on. And so that's the reason that people fall out, that people fall out and then a lot of times they don't regenerate and the money that they make and put it back into their careers. So there's a team that needs to be assembled, especially as you grow, because they can totally get out of hand and you can lose it. So that's the main reason it's the team or the person doesn't, and I don't know, you know, what she did, but the person doesn't really have the drive to keep it going. And a lot of times there's mental issues. I don't know if that's the case in this case, but it's usually the team. I had Professor Grifson on deck of get to Moments, Kelly, but Carrie, what's you working now with artists and also you producing films and movies and records and that, but you're also helping the artists who, you know, some of them are down on their luck. Can you explain that to the family? Yeah, well, they kind of call me the Robin Hood of the music side and entertainment business because I terminate contracts for people who assign their rights over early in their careers before they have to leverage to make the best deals for themselves for themselves. And there's a statute in the copyright office of the Library of Congress that gives people the right to reclaim their copyrights at a certain point. And if they fall into a specific window, I can either help them get their rights back, get their publishing back, their writers back or renegotiate their sounds recording deals so that I use this statute to give them leverage to renegotiate a new deal. And a lot of people, you know, have have, have benefited from it. So yeah, so I'm kind of the Robin Hood of the music side of the entertainment business. Good to know that. I'm sure Professor Grif, he was listening to us online three grand rising, Professor Grif, want you to meet Carrie Gordon. Greetings. How are you? And greetings, Mr. Gordon. How are you? Good deal. Good deal. And Professor is going to talk about AI and the impact of AI on the music industry before we let you go, Carrie, your thoughts on the impact of AI in the music industry. Well, here's the thing. I think that just like with any new technology. I'm not going to have to embrace it because it's not going to go anywhere. The key is is how do you embrace it in a way that is going to be beneficial to human time as opposed to that thing that ends up putting people out of business. I think that you need to look at it as a tool because it's not going anywhere. And, and, and they're going to figure out a way to, you know, continue to keep it going because legislation always has problems keeping up with technology. So I think that it is important to embrace. We just have to figure out a way to embrace it that benefits us as opposed to put this out of business. And the obvious question, you think a dad could have created Motown in this environment now with AI. So all of the, I think he could have done something to every every time there's a technological advance, different issues come into play. The way that my father thought of taking Motown from his experience being on the, on the assembly line at Chrysler, taking something that was, you know, kind of a diamond in the rough or, or let's call it a car in the rough and making it, you know, taking them through all of the different divisions and then having it come out to be a shiny new brand new Cadillac or whatever it is. I think that his mind would have said, OK, this is the best way to use AI. And this is the best way to benefit, to benefit us and to benefit us as a people and as a company. But I can't, you know, you really can't say because there were so many factors with the civil rights movement and a lot of things that came to play. If you recall, my father couldn't even put black artists on the cover of his record. Can you imagine an IZLY brother album having white people at the beach at the beach on the cover? Right. So you had to think, you know, he had to think what he had to do to best benefit the circumstances that he was in in that era when black people weren't even played on television. So I can't really say how that would be now, but it would be something because it wasn't as much about it was more about Barry Gordy was in Detroit. And he saw an opportunity. So I can't, I can't speak to that because I, you know, that that would be impossible to say. I, I prefer the right place at the right time. I'm not sure if it was professor, if you got a question for Carrie before we let him go. Yes, um, um, beyond that particular question, when you roll your mind back and what your dad kind of went through in his process and his development stages, when you talking about the automotive industry and the assembly line. Did they not automate the assembly line and a lot of people lost their jobs? I can't, I can't speak to that. I can't speak to that. But what we do know is that is that starting with no assembly line to an assembly line boost is the boost is the product and maybe a lot of people did lose their jobs. There are a lot of new jobs that would develop because of all of those things. So, um, I, I say that probably, and I can't, I can't speak to this, but I say that probably more jobs were created based on it than, than that were lost. Okay, so I know a whole heartily agree with you. We got the music industry is being automated and we got to use AI as a tool. It shouldn't be the, uh, to be all to end all. Yeah, absolutely as a matter of fact, I think that those people that are really talented, uh, can use some of these new tools to actually enhance, uh, enhance their, enhance their, their product. Now, now, uh, an artist does it need to, uh, to, to, to have to, uh, get the money that it takes to hire the best ranger or whatever that is, they can do that themselves using AI tools. Right. And so, uh, to, to, to that end, everybody has to, everybody has to look and see, okay, what is my skill set. How can I use this to enhance what I do as opposed to letting it put me out of business. And care, we got to let you go because you know, we, we're busy person before we let you go though. For those artists out there, I'm grief may know some of these artists who, who got cheated out of the, the royalties of, of money for the old by the record companies. How can they reach you? Do you have a website or email address? So, you know what, grip and, uh, grip and, uh, you can give grip my, um, my email address and my phone number and, and, and, and, and grip and I can talk offline. Okay. All right. That's the end of the audience. Okay. I'll, I'll do that for you. I mean, Carrie, thank you again, thank you again, and family just joined us, Carrie Gordy, is Barry Gordy, is one of Barry Gordy's son, and he does have a product out right now that has been nominated for a Peabody Award, which is the cream of the crop. There's also been nominated for an Emmy, and it's called My Sunday Best, it's the on-tall story of Ed Sullivan film, and it's on Netflix. So Google Netflix and check it out. Carrie, thanks again for joining us this morning. We lost Carrie already, I think Carrie's gone. All right, 12 after the top of the out, Professor Griff, Van Rijze. We talked about the fact that AI, artificial intelligence, you're saying it's changing the music industry, 'cause recently, the top 10 records, most of the top 10 records were all created by AI, and I was talking, we carried about them recently, that some of those songs, he said, some of those songs saying, "Real good." I mean, it was sound like a Sam Cook, or Luther, you hear, or Teddy, you hear in these, in these artists, but it was all fabricated. I wanna get you a thoughts on that. - Well, the interesting thing about it, is the fact that they actually used real live people and real live recordings, and in order to train the AI models that produced those particular songs. So, it would sound like a Luther, or a Teddy. You understand what I'm saying? It would sound like a Philistinian, or whomever, because they actually used those artists illegally to train those particular AI models, regardless of what the genre of music is. And I think we need to understand it, and I think that's where a lot of people are getting this thing kind of twisted. It just didn't pop up out of the blue, and it was organic. They actually had years and years, and some people are complicit in aiding and helping them bring these models to the forefront, to take over the music industry. So, they've used our actual artists to train their models. So, actually what we're hearing, is not a remix, not an interpolation, not any of these things. We're actually hearing actual replicas, (laughing) of those artists that we love, Anna, and Adore still listening to their music. Now they have control of the masters. Now they have control of the copyrights. Now that they have control of the sounds recordings, and they can basically do what they want. To remember a minute ago, I was on the show, and I was talking about how the big four record labels at that particular time was buying up every month's publishing. Well, if they own the music already, they can use the music that they own to train the AI models, and that's what's going on now. - Not only training the music, but the persona as well. And we saw, I think, was Taylor Swift to copyright it, her image and her sound. Is that possible? Can she copyright her sound? - Well, she can basically copyrights, not necessarily sound. No, it's everything else that's appreciated with the sound. So, for example, if I was to sit down right now to create a song, and matter of fact, I did, I said, okay, I wanna see if they've kinda taken this whole public enemy energy and vibe, did they capture that? So, I sat down, I said to myself, I wanna call this song Renegade. And I went into, I don't think I was using you to, you know, I was using Suno AI. And I went in it, and I wrote this long intricate prompt, write me a song, or create me a song, with me being a Renegade in the society, in the music industry, in the belly, and wanting to make my own music, and the public enemy style, yada yada yada. And that thing spit that thing out, I was blown away. - How long did it take to do that? - Literally seven minutes. - Oh, wow. - Seven minutes. - Now, when you hear that though, should they avail Ezra for Grammys, or should they have a special category for Grammys that are created by AI? Your thoughts on the Grammy issue? - Well, they will create not only Grammys, they will come up with a new category, with a new award show, with a new award, in order to push this thing forward. - So, best of you saying it's not going anywhere? - No, it's definitely not going anywhere. No, not at all. We're not riding horse and buggy anymore. We're not using Karrison lamps, we're not, no, we're cooking light switches in this kind of thing. Yada said it was definitely a progression. And if that's part about it, when we start talking about basic things that we use talk to tech. If I woke up 15 minutes ago, and I was coming on the call, no since she'll, and I needed a subject matter. I pick up my phone, pull up, applaud, for Plexigee, open AI, chat GPT, or Gemini, or whatever. All right, say, give me 10 bullet points for the call, no since she'll, I'm going to be speaking about Yada, Yada, Yada. Print it out on my printer, it's in front of me, I'm on the phone, no since she'll. That's how fast that is. Not going anywhere. - So, we've got to, we've got to figure out a way how to embrace it then. - You got to use it as a tool. So for example, I got pushed back a minute ago, and I'm still getting pushed back from some of the artists that I associate with. They do not want to use AI at all. I said, "Okay, then the artist needs to stop being lazy and get to the studio, start writing, pick up your instruments, do all the things I've been encouraging you to do for the last three or four years, which you have not done." You understand what I'm saying? We went to a period where sampling was the same. And public enemy was big for that. We became who we are from sampling music, sampling other people's music. Well, this is just the next phase of it. We took jazz artists and we sampled them. We took old funk R&B artists and sampled them. We may have taken the horns from power or power or earthen and fire and sampled them to put it in our songs. And the Bob Squad was popular and famous for that. And it made public enemy popular and famous for sampling. - All right, hold that thought right there. We gotta step aside for a few moments. When we come back, brother Malik is calling from Decatur and George has got a question for you. Family you two can join our conversation with a professor of grit from public enemy. And grand rising family thanks a stain with us on this Wednesday morning, last Wednesday in April with our guest, the professor of grit from public enemy. You know him and you know the music. You wanna get in on this discussion reach out to us at 800-450-78-76. And brother Malik is calling from Decatur in Georgia. Brother Malik, grand rising your own with professor griff. - Grand rising brother, quacy, grand rising brother, professor griff. My question for you, griff, we have all these brothers, you know they had record labels and all of this made plenty of money. Why haven't any of them come together and create a distribution company like Columbia, or Arizona or something like that? Well they have to stop depending on these folks. And I'll pick my ass off here. - I think they've become complacent and comfortable with the paycheck that they're receiving. And then we don't know the back room deals that they make with those that write their paycheck. You know what I'm saying? Those of us on their checks pardon me. So that's a very good question. It's a very intricate question, because we would have to die in the affairs of some of those individuals. And I'm sure they really, truly would not, they was not like that. A lot of them are making back door deals that we're on the way up. We're looking at it on the surface. If you take the top five earning rappers and people that own black people, that own labels, sort of speak. For them to come together in order to create a distribution situation, they would have to buck every deal that they've ever made with those other people, sort of speak. And let me give you a real life example. I think it was, should night, Jay Prince, game dash, excuse me for giving a few names, but there's two or three more names. They actually did get together to create that same situation that you're talking about. And there were some people from the inside that kind of read it them out and destroyed the whole thing. And this is going to be the story that you're gonna start hearing about people like J.V. Do you understand what I'm saying? So that actually happened good. Well, it was actually in the making it into works. And there was supposed to happen, but there were some people that kind of, you know, took the floor out from under them and it kind of failed through. So some people did have that in mind. - Griff, let me jump in and ask you this question. Is the distribution the key though? 'Cause you can form a record, you and I can form a record company, but how do we get our product out there? Do we still need a distribution now with the internet? You can just release the streams? Well, Malik asked a very important question, but it's a very dated question. This idea of distributing, distributing what and how? If it's not on the digital level, if you're not setting yourself up in the digital world that we live in to make sure these artists have access to, and I'm gonna say this is out loud, access to where we listen to music, i.e., cell phone companies and communication companies. Why put a distribution together? Why put a distribution company together when everything is digital? We can distribute it digitally, but where are you going to send it? Where are people listening to music? We already know that Spotify's not really paying the artists. So a lot of people are jumping ship when it comes to them and other platforms like that. So where are you going to distribute it to? If you're not distributing it to T-Mobile, AT&T, and some Verizon and some of these other companies where people actually have to listen to music. Think about the last time you've listened to a song. It was either on your phone, in your car, I'm sure you didn't sit down at home and put on a record on a turntable. So we have to think in terms of bringing it up to date. So how did those deals cut, though? We're listening to you, right? We're listening on our phones, but where do we get the streets from? Is that the issue is where are the streams? Because right now, as you know, I think I sent you a note about this, how many AI songs are being produced every day? You know, we're talking probably in the millions. And some of them, most of them will never be heard by anybody. It's that the people who produce them. So when you have a product, Griff, how do you get it out? How do you make sure that your audience hears your product? Well, I am a 65 year old writer, producer, MC, former DJ, minutes of information. So I've weighed a lot of different hats, and I have a lot of different tools in my toolbox, as far as my skill set is concerned. How would I get an album out right now? Well, I'd strictly sell my stuff for me to my fans on Bandcamp. I don't -- I'm pulling my stuff off of the streaming services because they don't serve me. I'm not really interested in a whole bunch of people hearing my music. I have a very niche-based music, and it's only for these individuals that want to hear conscious lyrics, something positive. Something uplifting. If that is the case, then you meet Professor Griff at the Revolutionary Party over here in this room on where I have my music. And I just have the fans and the family meet me where I'm at. And I'll meet them halfway. This broad-based, trying to reach millions of people at one time is just not profitable for me, because it would never work for someone like me. The model is not set up. This is one of the reasons why I wanted to have this conversation with you today. The model, the AI model is not set up for conscious lyrics, conscious people, conscious thought, conscious mindset, and bettering people's lives. Yeah, I wanted to go there. 26 after the top of the hour, Professor Griff. Why not? Because they say the internet is a wild, wild west. Is there a police? Is there a gatekeeper that's stopping us from hearing conscious music? Yes, of course. It's called the algorithm. Is an algorithm policing gatekeeping? It actually ties into the whole idea of data scraping and fingerprinting not only your music, your IT address. And actually now, your voice, actually now your whole device or that you go to to kind of pull up these things. Someone's bringing a lawsuit against LinkedIn for spying and going into your computer and data scraping your computer, setting up a fingerprint inside of your computer. These things are going on all the time. And a lot of times, we bypass those things when we're setting these things up. And we actually give them permission. We put our fingerprint on the computer. We do the eye scan. We do the facial recognition. Knowing that these things could be detrimental to your health. I've seen something awful, but I saw it on Instagram. Now, the brother was asleep. And the only way that his girlfriend could get into his phone is using his fingerprint. Well, he was drunk sleep. All she did was pick up his finger, put it on his phone, and got into his phone. These are the kinds of things that were happening. But now it's digital. Now it's your voice. Now they had to think, or I'm sure it's very, they use a key now. So if you give them permission to use a key, they'll saw all your passwords in a key. And the key will come up. And if you want to get into it, if you don't remember the password, just let that bank you know it. Because you're not remembering your password. Well, they will remember it for you. This is where we get this concept of smart phones. Smartness, smart that. And then now the cloud. Before starting out, we're just going to store you stuff for you. You can retrieve it when you want to. So it was a retrieval system. The retrieval system set in files. I don't have access to my files. Well, you have the path code. Here's the path code. Now the path codes are intricate now. They will create a path code for you. And you will forget it. And they will remember it. And this is where we lose. I can't ask you this. Yeah. Yeah, we got to find print. But it's a way that we can get involved to make money. Our people can make money out of this instead of the other folks. We made money from the technology called computers in software. And we understood hardware. And we made the connection and we built companies and made money. The film industry is doing it every single day. Right now, I was personally listening to my voice. If you don't know perplexity, quad, open AI, if you're not using chat, GPP, getting in front of the learning curve. If you don't know Gemini, if you don't know these things, in a minute, you're going to be locked out of this whole thing. Because that's where it's going. I hate to say it. I love music. I love the process. I love the journey. I love what comes out on the other end. But people have found a way to capture the essence of the soul music that we produced. And they're packaging it right now to the tune of a million songs per day call. It was the CEO of Sino, Mr. Schoenman. Mikey Schoenman, I believe, is the name. He says this whole idea and this process just basically takes too long in his boring. And people really don't enjoy the music making process anymore. In my mind, when I was listening to his interview, I said, well, speak for yourself. I enjoy the process. It's the process that I enjoy. Of course, I love the thing that comes out on the other end, making people happy and moving and shaking and dancing to the music I make. But I love the process. He wants to cut out the middleman. He says forget the process. Here you go. You can sit down in two and a half minutes. You can speak into my software. You can come up with a song that will do the same thing. So 29 away from the top there, by the way, family, Professor Griff. So Professor Griff, what does that do for the artist, the players of instruments? Is that going to be a dying breed right now? Since you can just, you know, you first we start with drum machines. Now you can do everything online. You don't need anybody to play a real instrument for you. Is that part of the music industry dead as we speak? Well, the drum machine basically helps. Hip hop comes to life and gave birth to certain aspects of things. But did it put a bass player, a drum and a horn player out of business, sort of speak? Yeah, because now those particular people that we love in it might have that complete instrument that put in their time, energy, effort to learn how to play that instrument. Now they're out of work. We're the last time we actually went to a concert to see like a real band. So those cats are now doing sessions. And sessions are few and far in between, because now the machines have taken over. So Dicky Bikari talks about this in his concert. They talk about transhumanism. And this is the thing that's been happening for a minute. We saw it coming. We just got comfortable in it, Carl, to the point where, OK, well, I could just go on stage. Now I've seen a couple of artists recently. They don't even come with a band anymore. It's them in the dude behind them pressing buttons. That's the show. And we've accepted that. Well, not me. You know, I'm going to see flow of treatise week. I want to see the band. I want to see people doing their crap, doing their thing. But that's me. I'm an old school. I'm 65 years old. The new generation coming up behind me, they don't really need to see a band. They really don't know what that's about. They've gotten rid of the music classes at the schools. They don't do that anymore. The whole idea of the music being sacred, sacred. They don't buy into that anymore. They don't teach that anymore. They're definitely at the schools. Because there is a transformation process that happens through music and the word and your rhymes. And how you speak, how you talk poetry, spoken word. It's a sacred time, but we don't treat it as sacred. So yeah, there's going to be a lot of people losing not only jobs, but losing the thing that keeps them alive. And that one thing that keeps me alive call is music. All right. Hold up though. 26 away from the top of the highway, Professor Griff. So Griff, you saying that the days of where we an artist would have a band behind him and you come out and get down and say, you know, James Brown or you put on some work in. You saying those days are dead now? We go to the artist if they do back in the day. So I'm used to show up with a floppy disk. I don't know what they do. And now I guess a thumb drive or something and perform. Is that where we are? And it's come to a point, well, we don't even need any of that. And if so, what do we do? Especially if people like yourself are in the music industry, where do you fall in that line, in that production, the new production line? Is this the new way? Because you mentioned young people, some young people that they, I'm seeing a concert, where people are actually performing with a band behind them. So is this the new thing that's coming out? And if so, how do we get in front of it? That's my question. Well, my thing is, it's been that way called the last time that the era that I've came through. I love bands that had eight nine members. Lakeside, Ohio, Plays, Earthland, and Fire. I mean, I can name them all. They had eight nine people, L-T-D, of the bands, eight nine people, do you play the actual music? Do you understand me? So what I do is when I say, and I agree with Mr. Gordy that came on earlier, what I say, I was agreeing with the fact that he was absolutely correct. Why don't we use AI as a tool like we did the drum machine? You understand I'm saying? There was a process and a progress and an elevation in the way we made music. Before they used to do live recordings, everyone had to be in the same room. The way Barry Gordy did it at Mozart is different than the way we would probably do it today. So I don't want to sound like a gloom and doom call. There is a positive side to this that I think young people need to hear. And people might need to hear it because we need to assist young people in getting those ideas out of them out to the world so people can hear how they can express themselves. Yeah, and as far as coming to that, a 25 away from the top of that, 'cause you consult with a lot of young people, that you mentor a lot of young people trying to get into business. You share them the business side. We're also the professional side of being a professional entertainer as well. What are some of the concerns and what's some of the things that you share with these young people? Well, a lot of people are sensitive around the end result. And what is the end game? End game is them getting paid. If I got to go to a concert and I got to fly five people, dancers, DJ, Rody, manager, whether if I got to fly all of these people to three different cities and I got to put them up in the hotel and feed them and pay them. Right, why would I do that when I could just take a thumbs drive with me? And just had somebody trigger it and my songs are there. I ran into El DeBodge, beautiful brother. The brother walked to the day going concert. In the last, in the last, walked to the concert, performed. Someone pressed this, you know, played tracks that he had. People formed, got his paycheck and left, walked off into the sunset. And I was like, wow, this is what it's coming to. We're talking El DeBodge. We still seeing them songs today. I'm like, wow, where's the band? Where is it? I want to go for the experience. But it wasn't his fault. The promoters don't pay enough for him to fly out of the whole band. And hold that thought right there too. The people who saw El DeBodge were probably the folks who were seeing for the first time. Who would have been accustomed to that kind of performance where he comes out, gives his thumb drive to the guy running the computer. And then leaves is, are they satisfied? I guess there's a better question or because they don't know better. I'll let you explain that when we get back. Family YouTube got a question for Professor Griff, discussing the music industry right now. From the top of the eye with our guest, Professor Griff, from Public Enemy, we're discussing the new way of music. The new way of making music, the new way of entertaining music. So this is interesting because AI is now here. AI is impacting everything that we do. Every single thing that we do, and it's impacting our music. The question is, how can we get ahead of the game? Because we can't turn it back. So we agree on that, Professor Griff. So how can we get ahead of the game? What should we be doing right now? So we can be relevant in this new adventure, especially in the music industry? Well, I think, first of all, we need to study how it works. Once we understand how it works, then we'll be able to use it as a tool to benefit us. And only use it as a tool. There are a lot of people that have not a musical bone in their body making songs. That's normally if we were going by the old process, the using the processes that we've used back in the day to make music, those people would not be in the music industry. They wouldn't be on stage. They would be in the audience. So we need to understand that. The other same thing. But back to Elder Bart. It was a beautiful show that he did. He actually sat down at the keyboards, at the organ. And he sang the songs. It was a very intimate kind of thing. It was beautiful. But the backing track was there because he couldn't afford the band. Beautiful show. Literally, when I went backstage to speak with him, he was drenched in sweat because he poured his heart and it's so into his performance. And people loved it. But the promoters can't afford it. The other same thing, motor's job is to put butts in the seats. So literally that conversation ended up literally with me actually literally taking my shirt off. It put it around him because he was drenched with sweat. But anyway, the idea of the tools, using it as a tool, here are some of the things that I think we need to kind of chew on for a second. This idea of using AI as a tool to help us get to where we need to go to get the song done. We could use it to arrange the song. Different instrumentation we might want to listen for. Don't use that. Just kind of listen to it say, oh, OK, I see what it did. Let me incorporate that into the song by actually playing it. Or if I can't play it, let me hire a studio musician to play it. Hey, Bruce. Hey, Professor. Yes. Kevin here. Let me ask you a quick question about that. What about stems? The different parts of the track is broken down in stems. And in the studio, you use that, whether it's the strings or the drum. And you can't duplicate that with AI, can you? Yeah, you can. Now AI has them. So you can create the entire song. They have things that are in soon. You can either use the studio aspect of sooner and break it down into individual stems, because just the algorithm that they use to see whether or not you're even using AI is a digital fingerprint inside of the complexities of their software to see whether or not you're even using their software. Yeah, and that's what I mean. They already have stems. So they could take an old song from, I don't know, the 50s to 60. Put it in their software, break it down in stems, and only use one part of it. Right, and then the AI compresses it and puts it all together. And you're saying, then the AI can divide that for you. And for the sake of those who are listening and not necessarily musically inclined, like you are in inside of a studio, that's almost the best kept secret. It's the fact that you can change a part and keep the original part going, including you can take out the vocals of an old song and then rearrange it, which they do a lot with AI. Right, and then you can tag those, those particular sounds, chop them up and assign MIDI notes to them, and it'll play on its own. Right, MIDI notes are the computerized version of the notes and in the key of the song. Exactly. Yes, sir. All right, music, guys. Thanks, Kevin. 14 away from the top. Yeah, it'll last things calling from Alabama has a question for Professor Griffey's online too. Everlasting, grand rising your own way to Professor Griff. Hey, grand rise. Hey, what's up, Professor Griff? How you doing? Hey, listen, it's a round ride at Houston. I'm sure you probably know him. His name is K Reno. Are you some South Park coalition? Are you familiar with him? Come on, you know I am. My man. Yeah. Yeah, I thought he-- That's what I'm saying. I know you are here. Now, what he's doing now, he got a new album. It's fire too, man. He got a new album called Operation Genocide. So what he's doing, I know everybody can't do this, but he's selling his stuff. He's CDs. People are just calling him because he's on the podcast one time. And while he's on the podcast, people are calling in order in the CD from his new album, Operation Genocide. And like I said, I saw, you know, he's like he was saying. He said, his fan base is not there at large. So he has a certain fan base that resonates with him. So he's not trying to sell two, three, four million copies. But he's comfortable with that. And he just wanted to go back to try and use it and see if it would work. And I know an average person in music now can't do that. But that's a very interesting way of doing that, you know, to me. And that's one way for him to-- I guess he said he will get most of the money. And he's in court from him. And he's sending it right to you, you know? So that's something that I mean, it's not, you know, with AI as it is right now today. But he's doing something which is very creative. And like I said, everybody can do that for them. He's doing the-- Just cut out. Operation Genesis-- Well, I got you. OK, hold. And yeah, can I stay on here as a response please? All right. All right. Professor, if you want to respond with everlasting, just set-- Yeah, well, I think the model that K Reno is using is there. It's been there for a very brief moment. It went away and came back. Because I think Jay Pold uses that. also someone actually called me call and said j cold is down at the to a use center in Atlanta and I said what is he doing? He's doing he's at the school like teaching at the school to be doing. He said now he's pop outside of the school selling his selling a CD out of the trunk. I'm like j cold. They was like yeah. Oh, like okay, well, let me check them out. And you understand, actually, that's his business model from artist like his fan base. You understand that. That's the process that K Reno is usually. Yeah, 10, 10 away from the top. Brother G's up next is online one is calling from Washington DC. The ground rising brother G. When you were leaving from your duty from public enemy, Chuck D gave you got he got a record deal with you for loop, loop records. Now believe when you got that record deal for you, your from issue response was I'm not a rap or artist. If you were to stay with the group, do you think you were went to expressing your artistic style or you would stay with the military self defense side? Well, both and if you look at my role in public enemy, I have five hats. So I was expressing myself behind the scenes as far as the music is concerned. If you ask anyone in the group, they'll definitely tell you that. Some of them songs, should I have gotten credit and owning part of the intellectual property for yes, because those songs came out of my mind and my spirit. The understand playing. If I had a conversation with you right now, and we talked about the high price of food. Right. And you turn around with to the studio and made a song. Should I own part of that song? You understand say then when it came to the live show, you saw Professor Griffin expressing yourself on the martial arts. What I learned from nation of Islam as far as discipline and drilling and stepping and being in unicessive one another, the image from the black panthe party. So you saw all my creative artistic things that I was feeling and thinking and experiencing at that time. And I put it in the public enemy show. And that's what we got not to take anything away from the other brothers that contributed to what we were doing. But that was that was my gift to the world. This medium called music. This thing called hip hop through public enemy. All right. Nine away from the top. I got some two questions for you from London. Paul listen to us in the UK. I'm just a tour of me says first one. Just Professor Griffin feel the same way towards flavor flavors. Back in the day or has his feelings changed with time. And the other question for your Griffith says Africa bombada was major in terms of hip hop here in the UK on his passing recently. How should we remember his legacy and his contribution to hip up? Well, let me ask you the first question about. I don't really have spoken with me. I don't know. My feelings about him. I don't really try to like they are they are they are. Do I have a desire to resolve some of these things that I think that we kind of like you know still still have the far the pension is in the end of course any grown man growing especially you know at the age that we are. 6667 of 65 of course but no I can't speak on these these all outdated. I have feelings are the issues that need to be resolved with you know with a bandmate of course. As far as the band bottom thing is concerned his legacy is going to be his legacy he wrote that we didn't we remember him as one individual but the other life that he was living. But on the notes to us we didn't kind of know these things was going on some people did when we did find out. We took the appropriate position that we should have taken no one's going to do this to our babies and you know you live happily ever after that's just not no and his legacy legacy should reflect that beautiful that you've done things in the need you can. But that doesn't give you a path to abuse our children and our babies absolutely no. Definitely not. Third, third, third, third tweet for you, Professor from London from Paul and Lana says in it DMX on his visit to UK says DMX is his favorite hip-hop artist. What do you feel about his legacy and him as a hip-hop artist? Sure. DMX is one of my favorite artists. Are that brother came out or he came out on the apologetic. He spoke from his heart. Those are the real artists that I think I gravitate towards do I agree with every particular subject matter? Do I agree with the particular lifestyle and that kind of thing? No, there's no one's calling lifestyle. I'll probably agree with everything. Absolutely not. But DMX is a dynamic artist and we're literally we're going to miss the two pox and the DMX is in the understand saying in the Roger Trapmans and the Marvin Gays we're going to miss them. The understand saying and let's be bringing that energy and that spirit back not using AI but we don't bring that spirit back. Yeah, it's that's our loss. It's truly our loss. These are some great people that are created to put among us. You understand the plan? Six away from the top there. And Griff, what are you working on now? Because you always have some projects. You got some ions in the fire all the time. Right now, I am working on my album is called Enemy of my enemy. And then the beautiful thing called putting together a ebook is called AI and Cestriol Intelligent. All the information that I'm discussing right now, especially tools that young people are going to need to navigate this AI thing. I put it in the ebook. So you're right. I'm always working on something because I want to be able to pass these things down or to young people coming behind us called that can actually use these things to advance the music, the advanced culture to advance the legacy of black music. So, if you take a person on his wing and he's going to say, well, Professor, if I want to be an artist, what's the first thing you're going to, what is first thing that person needs? I think we need to tap into this skill set. But why do you want to be an artist instead of a mechanic? Why do you want to make music and, you know, instead of working for UPS, so set up express. Why do you want to be an artist? If you want the girls, the grids, the grammar, the money and the fame, then that's no real reason to be one to be an artist. If you've got music inside you and you got talent that we need to kind of bring out of you to make music that I can help you with that. The other thing I can't help you with that because there are people that are getting all those perks and they're not even real artists. So, if you bet people like that, if they come to you and, you know, say, hey, man, I want to be like Chris Brown, you know, but they only see the outside of what he does. You get people, young people coming to you with those kind of questions. Well, the balance with you, the people around me will tell you, it's funny if you can mention Chris Brown, because I like Chris Brown. I'm going to begin because I saw the innocence in him. I saw the raw talent in him. The innocent thing like I did DMX, like I did Kisha Cole, like I did a lot of these artists that I see the raw talent in the opposite, but the average artist want to be like Chris Brown, been put into what the Chris Brown put in. Got you. We've just flat out a time for Professor Griff. But thank you real quick. How can folks reach you real quick if they want to get you new product? They want to get the ancestral intelligence ebook. They call me a six, seven, eight, five, five, seven, two, nine, one, nine is my direct line right to me. Call. I really appreciate you as always. And thank you. Thanks. And they call us. All right, thanks, Griff family. That's it for the day. Classes this may stay strong. Stay positive. Please stay healthy. See you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on 1010 WLB. And in the Washington DC era, we're on 1450 WOL.