Scenario Predictions for Every NFC Team in 2026. Plus, Jordyn Brooks and Devonte Wyatt Get Big Contract Extensions.

Welcome into the ringer NFL show, Austin Gale here. We're going to have Deonte Lee and Steven Ruizan again. We went through the AFC, best case, worst case, weirdest case. Now we're going through the NFC, same thing. We also get into some news at the top, some new contracts, Jordan Brooks to sign an extension with the Miami Dolphins, linebacker there, and then Davante Wyatt, defensive tackle for Green Bay, former first round pick, also sign an extension. Kind of similar deals, interesting way to kind of look at the season and just like react to news in the moment. But then the big meat of the episode is looking at the NFC teams now. Thank you again to our producer, Christopher Sutton. We went long on the early teams and had to speed through some of the back end teams, but hopefully this is helpful. Let's get to it. Before we get into the list for the NFC, there's a couple things I wanted to do now that we're catching back up. And we're back on the pot. Some people said we might not have been able to do an NFC version. Some people thought we were maybe going to get cut off with just the AFC. I'm happy to see us back. Ruizan, I know you're happy to be back to kind of show up the NFC. I know we're going to get to the panthers today at least. Yeah, we're proving all the haters wrong. We can never do analysis on NFC. We have to see merchants only. You're staying, Deante is still going to be the optimistic side. Ruizan is going to be the negative side. I'll present the weirdest case when it makes sense. But before we get into that, I didn't want to talk about two contract extensions that happened over the last 24 hours or so. The Green Bay Packer is extended to Vante Wyatt. I think it was three years, 57 million former first round pick out of Georgia. And then the Miami Dolphins, who were an interesting case in the AFC, I think we all kind of all looked at them as like, they should be going for the number one overall pick. But they just extended Jordan Brooks, who's coming off a first team all pro season, easily a career best season for Jordan Brooks. He's only 28 years old. And they pay him three years, 51 million. But Brooks has done in the NFL versus what Wyatt has done in the NFL and Wyatt making more per year and more overall. And then when it's just like interested in comparing these contracts because they happened at the same time. But then even looking at the guaranteed, like Jordan Brooks only gets 35 million guaranteed. Five other linebackers in the NFL signed contracts with more guarantees, even sunny styles. The first round pick, top 10 pick for the washing commanders. His rookie contract has more guaranteed money than what Brooks is signing this new deal offer off of the best season. You tweeted something out saying they have other young linebackers and paying him maybe doesn't make sense. But I feel like this contract for a guy that the league literally just said is one of the best. If not the best at the position. I feel like they're kind of getting a discount, no? I mean, you're getting a discount relative to the rest of the market. I think that really my hang up is just like, where does this, does this change where either the player or the franchise is stationed right now? And I think the answer is no, right? It doesn't mean that it's wrong of Miami to go ahead and get a guy on a long-term extension below market rate. I think that this is a big win for them. But if I'm Jordan Brooks, and maybe this is part of the plan, like, hey, this contract probably gets torn up in a year or two anyways, and this team is really ready to make its full on pivot, right? Because you're sitting at $100 and I don't know what, $1 million in deadcap charges for this year alone. So this might just be one of those, hey, we like you. Your leader helped kind of usher in these young guys and then next off season or by the trade deadline of the 2027 season, we will kind of sing you on your merry way. I think it's a win for them. I am kind of hung up, I think, with Devon Tayyate, who has been a lot of, like, potential without delivering, right? I've been very, I've had a hard time with him as a player, right? 'Cause coming out of Georgia, I was a really big fan of him. I think everyone was, right? He was a consensus top five player or top 10 player in that draft or. I mean, when there were times where I was watching that Georgia defense and I'm like, I know that Jordan Davis is like, the huge guy, but I'm watching him say, why it? And nobody can block this man when he's locked in. And you still see that in flashes, it just hasn't really delivered in terms of him being a full-time, impact, you know, game-recking force in the way that I think we expected. Both, I think, are good extensions for the teams. I just think I'm kind of hung up in both cases, trying to figure out exactly where I want to place these players in these situations given the finances of the deals. How much do we think Miami, because people have, like, the same questions they have about the brook's extension that they had with the Malik's wheel assigning, because it's like, oh, I thought you were supposed to be tanking while you're spending, I think it was, like, $20 million on a quarterback for the next couple of years. And I kind of brought this up on the AFC pop, but I do think this team is overly sensitive to the tanking allegations. I think they want to be in the mix for that first overall pick, but they literally have a lawsuit against the alleging that they were going out of their way to tank and influencing their coach to tanks and lose games and throw games. So I do think that's part of it. I think perception for them really matters for the owner, Stephen Ross, but it's not just the owner. I think it's also the new coach, right? This is a defensive head coach, Jeff Haftley, hired over from Green Bay, right? They want to kind of like build this team in the model of Green Bay. They brought over John Erick Sullivan, who's also from Green Bay, like, like John, it's like, yeah, on paper, the dolphin should tank, tell a new coach a brand new coach, like who's gotten his entire career has been built on winning. And then you're like, hey, your first year, you actually have to be shit. It's like, no. No one's going to do that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I think Jordan Brooks is a good fit for that, that new coaching staff. And I think they're going to be able to get the most out of him. Like Jordan Brooks, I think it's tough to get excited about him. Like when you watch Fred Warner, you could be like, okay, this guy is like an athletic freak and the best player on the field, but Jordan Brooks, like, you're not going to man him up on a tight end. Yeah. Which I think the league kind of was was really chasing after that type of prospect. I'm thinking of like the Devon White draft pick, where if you watch Devon White at LSU is like, this guy doesn't know how to play football, but he's really fast and can move his hips. You watch Jordan Brooks play. Even now, even during his all-pro season and he's in man coverage, like, he doesn't look like a great football player still drowning a little bit for sure. Yeah, yeah. He's like, they haven't covering backs, like, hugging down on check downs. They have them like green doggy, like if they're in man coverage in the backstays and he's going to blitz. They're not putting him on tight ends in man coverage. But you watch him play zone coverage and it's like a totally different thing. Like, he clearly has a good feel for zones and where to be and like, what's going on behind them and in front of them and how defenses are trying to put him into conflict. And then the guy can come down hill against the run, which I think is why he got drafted in the first round to begin with in Seattle. So I think this coaching staff is going to get the most at home and we're going to think he's a good player, but it is a question of timeline with him because he is 28 in line backers, especially that style of linebacker kind of ages poorly. Well, I think the big thing, the big thing for him, what really worked in his favor is the fact that the disease, I'll shy you, I really seem to turn a corner and sign a similar deal in Houston, right? Like, so if you're, if you're Jordan Brooks, I do think if you're having this conversation prior to the 2026 season, a team, I think would look at him and say, hey, you're a high level two down player because you can't be a thump, or you will show up and kind of range between the tackles. You can go make plays in the backfield, you're a good blitzer, you're a relatively certain tackler, we can play a lot of soft zone coverage for you, but we can't pay you, you know, top five linebacker money because on third down, there's a limitation to having you on the field. I think if you're Jordan Brooks, you look at a guy like a Zee's and say, that was literally the profile on him, right? Early in his career was 100% downhill guy. You think about Patrick Queen before Real Consumette got to Baltimore. Same kind of story, right? And now I think that we've seen that those guys get paid if you can have a hot or highly productive year, right? And I think that that, it just happened to be a strike where the iron's hot type of situation. I think for Jordan Brooks, I would have liked to have seen him get traded, right? I know the Dallas was in on him. I think if this deal was signed and he were a Dallas cowboy, I would be talking about the cowboys and what they might be able to turn into in 2026 in terms of the contention conversation. And I know we'll get to them a little bit later in the show. But for me, it's evaluating the player and the contract alone again. I think I'm okay with it. It's when you add in team context timeline where he's at in his career and trying to project out what that's going to mean for both parties. I really kind of struggled to figure out what this is other than a placeholder. So that way they can get to 2027 and then start wiping the slate clean. I mean, I think it's a move for Halfley, right? Like Halfley's like, I want this guy. He's the green dot last year. He's an all pro. Like, I need, and like you mentioned, Al Shaheer, he's the green dot in that defense, green dot being like the guy who gets to play is from the defense of play collar. You know, in Houston, you have a defense of mine, head coach and Miami, obviously you have Jeff Halfley now. Like, I do think it's important when you're like, Hey, like a lot of how people are going to judge me in my first season here is how good is this defense, right? How much better is it than last year losing my first team all pro linebacker, the guy who called, like got the play for me or like from this team last year, like for what, 35 million guaranteed. I don't have to pay him. Top five. Now like in the grand scheme, if like Brooks's goals as an NFL player are to win a championship, I don't think he's going to win it on this contract with Miami Dolphin sadly. Like if his goals are to stay on this team, which like, I mean, there are a lot of people coming back on the Miami defense, whatever, like, I don't know, I think about like linebacker. And this might be like a very cold take, but also like kind of known, but like of any position you are paying for leadership on that side of the ball more than any other position, right? Like obviously defensive and you'd like to see them be like mild scare types or whatever. But honestly, the best thing you need from your defense event is to be mild scare at wrecking the quarterback, not necessarily being this leader in the huddle and managing the defense, whereas like with linebacker, like, I think these Brooks, the Brooks is the Aussie years and even these other linebackers, you're not just paying for their ability to cover tight end or their ability, like to tackle players in the run game. Like you're paying for honestly like the gel of the defense, which I feel like we underdiscuss when like we're hyper focused on every individual contract at cap space and all that stuff as well. We've probably spent so much time on interior defensive contracts to start this and, you know, but we could jump to the NFC now. We're going to start with the NFC West. I thought it made sense for best case worst case, weirdest case, to start with the San Francisco 49ers. Because weirdest case. has to involve the electrical substation, of course. And I have electrical substation becomes the data center. 49ers players start to develop Benjamin Button disease. Over the course of the season, Mike Evans, Christian Kirk, Trent Williams, George Kiddell, Christian Caffrey, Colleuse Check, Nick Bosa, even Kyle Shanahan, everyone Dages four to six years over the course of the season. Lifting to the team into their athletic primes, right? 'Cause one of the problems I think with the Niners is that they're all older shit and they're all going to get hurt by the substation. But if it becomes the data center and they get this Benjamin Button situation, now Perdi is going to be a baby by the playoffs, but is that a problem? Is that necessarily a problem? Kyle Shanahan can get 3,000 yards and 20 touchdowns out of babies. Of a baby, Perdi, a baby, Perdi, I think that's right. Hey, it seems baby, that's a baseline for baby, Perdi, I say I want to start with you. What's the best case for the Niners for Shanahan for this team? Is it, I think if you ask Shanahan, he'd say Super Bowl or bus, but is that still the case even so many years after we've seen them not be able to kind of get over the hump? I feel like the Super Bowl window is kind of closed, right? Like, at least for this iteration of the team, and I think the doubling down on getting guys who are just prove who are old or proven isn't necessarily prying that window any further open than what it is right now. I think the best case scenario is that Christian McCaffrey, after coming off of a 400 plus touchdown season, sees the end of the season as the Ellen Offensive Player, the year type of producer by the end of this year. And maybe you can spoil the dreams of one of your NFC West rivals. Maybe you get to catch a Seattle or a Los Angeles in a division around and you're able to sneak by them and you get to the conference championship game. I think that would be a rounding success for where this team is at. I think that there's a lot of reason to be optimistic about the 49ers in general, right? I think that last year was actually a perfect example of all the tropes that we've always held with the Kyle Shanahan team, which is that like they can roll out of bed and be a top five offense. And I mean, that was legitimately the case all last year, right? Like, there were times where I was watching and I'm like, I genuinely don't know how these guys are open. This is not a very good receiving core. The offensive line has definitely taken a step back. They don't control the line of scrimmage on early downs. And I have the ways that I feel about Brock Pretty. And you know, for all the things that he can do for this offense, there are other ways in which he's limiting. And still, I mean, there's just marching up the field, drive after drive, putting points on the board. I think if you're able to replicate that and I think that a lot of that hinges on having a healthy McCaffrey, you can get to the playoffs, maybe win a playoff game and be competitive enough for us to be talking about them legitimately in the NFC championship picture. I just don't see Super Bowl for a team like that like this that has the holes that it does. Yeah, they're in that, that like spot where you have the Super Bowl expectations because the last couple of years and they've been in the Super Bowl twice during the Shannon era. But the roster kind of ages you out of it. And then you start making these rastishes and space on the fact that you think that you should be and Super Bowl contention. And I think this could be a weird season for the 49ers. And my worst case scenario is kind of based from a fans perspective where like obviously the worst case scenario is everyone gets hurt and they win like six games or whatever and they miss the playoffs. But I think the worst case scenario is maybe like Brock Burty gets hurt and you bring Matt Jones in again and Matt Jones doesn't have the year he had last year filling in for Purdy and the offense actually struggles. The defense struggles under Rahim Morris and they miss the playoffs and then ownership and the fan base which is already kind of weirdly against Shanahan in a way and kind of being like we should build around Purdy and maybe get another coach Shanahan has proven that he can't win a championship and then they end up making the rash decision to move on from Kyle Shadei. And I think that's your worst case scenario because like no matter how the season goes. And I think there's a good chance that it ends poorly just because of the injury history. If everyone says healthy they'll make the playoffs. I think they'll be a contender. If everyone gets hurt it'll be more of the same that we've seen from their down years. But I think fans and ownership might be fed up with it now and might try to you know clean the slate and maybe build around this quarterback that they've invested a lot of money. And and I think that's just worst case scenario because as long as you have Kyle Shanahan. I think you have a chance like Deandre said at the top five offense and we have a top five offense or a top 10 offense. You have a really good shot at going on a run in the playoffs provided the defense is good enough. But that's what we see with the 49ers right during the Shanahan era. Whatever the defense is good they're super bowl contenders. Whenever the defense is bad they're on the fringe of playoff contender. I'd argue that the worst case scenario is not one where Purdy or anyone gets hurt. Because if someone or any of those guys get hurt it's going to be easy to have the same offseason we have with the 49ers a lot of the time where it's like yeah these guys got hurt and that's why they weren't able to make it. They had the quarterback game against Philly right where you lose all those quarterbacks and even Kittlelift the press conference is like we would have won that game if we didn't you know all of our quarterbacks didn't get hurt or whatever. I think the worst case scenario is these guys stay generally healthy including Purdy including Mike Evans Kirk Trent Williams who's like 35 36 year olds all these guys stay healthy. The referee does another 400 touches and they still don't make the super bowl. For whatever reason yeah right and I think but I think it would be easier to blame Shanahan if like Purdy gets hurt and then he does come back because like I think if it's easy to blame Purdy for the struggles like if Purdy has a down year and you're like oh pouring all this money into him and he's not producing I think it would be easy to kind of scapegoat him instead of Kyle but if like Purdy has a neutral year or doesn't play a full season then I think it's easier to be like all right it's Kyle's problem and not Purdy let's see what Purdy can do with a different coach and if we start we just start fresh Deonte I tell you as the Niners owner the price for Kyle Shanahan is four first round picks at least are you picking up the phone and how quickly are you and which teams do you think like it's shit because we don't talk enough about like coach trades right John Groot and was traded traded a while back for two first round picks and two second round picks Sean Peyton was traded for a first round plus right or I have more like like Shanahan is if he's on like trade market after another disappointing season for whatever excuse we want to throw in their face like I that would be hot I know I brought up on the previous pod I brought up like bro maybe being traded or Lamar maybe being traded if things don't happen or as expected because there's a lot of high expectations for both those teams in both those quarterbacks like Shanahan like can the Niners realistically go through another offseason where they kind of try to like you know sticks and gum band-aid solution this offense with older players that Shanahan kind of likes like I almost feel like the like we don't bring enough enough of the trade lance thing it's like arguably one of the biggest busts in NFL draft history given what they gave up right versus like just taking a guy number one overall like to Marcus Russell or Ryan Lee for whoever it was like these people have made a lot of mistakes the roster isn't a bad place in old for the reasons that for the decisions that Lynch John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have made I I could see there being if this season is disappointing and there aren't easy injury excuses I could see them being like you know what like if this team is offering us four first round picks for Kyle Shanahan and some players or some cash whatever like we might take it I mean four strong four strong what about 30 wait wait let me ask this let me okay well I was the the the before you can say that now I think it would be much more now is to I think like the ramp trading from Matthew Safford we're Jared Goffin another first round picks and it's two first round picks yeah to get a guy like Kyle Shanahan like a salary dump situation or even like just like help like help the Niners completely reset with young talent because their roster is old inexpensive like Fred Warner's the highest paid lineback in the NFL I think christian calfries close to if not the highest paid running back in the NFL like they have high paid players at low value they still fucking Kyle you check on this goddamn like this is no this is fun it's just so funny hearing you lay out the case you and Stephen lay out the case for why there is fan exhaustion with someone like Kyle Shanahan and I know that this comparison is not new I think the Stephen and I have talked about this specifically on this podcast before but this sounds so much like they into the 80 read era in Philadelphia right like you kind of miss your window to go contend for championships you know you can still put together a top five offense your team is just getting older because you've been whipping in the draft trying to you know replace aging production or guys who have left and free agency and this is exactly where the 49ers are where you're kind of clutching one to the wheel as tightly as possible there's really no guarantee like you were saying Austin that even if they are healthy that these guys are going to make a playoff run you're still dealing with maybe the top two teams in the NFL in your division and a tough schedule you know throughout right so to me I think it is entirely within the realm of possibility that even if all their guys make it do the season that Mike Evans who has dealt with hamstring injuries in the last two seasons and has had to miss time for them and is not as dynamic a downfield threat shows up and is just kind of like a regular big X and not you know 2020 Mike Evans when he's still putting up a thousand yards as he's approaching 30 and we were asking like is it's just going to be the rest of his career right like we might be on the other side of that now there is no George Kittle for the foreseeable future and we don't know what version of George Kittle is going to be back when he's healthy and we're talking about a guy like Christian Kirk in the slide and maybe you give it off to John Stribbling and we know how Kyle Shanahan is with young receivers so there's no guarantee that just because he's a big strong fast guy that is going to you know kind of click for him immediately it could be I don't think it's ever possible that they would have a bad or mediocre or league average offense I just think that the the band of outcomes that are good for them is very strictly based on them being no worse than like the fourth best offense in the league and like leading the league in explosive play rate both on the ground and through the air that is the only way I think that you could sell me on this team contending so if the best case scenario for them is conference championship Super Bowl and we're saying that the almost any other outcome leads to the fans getting louder and louder about how this era needs a pivot or needs to end or they need to take a different approach to how they build their roster I think I'm leaning more towards the more pessimistic end of this and it'll be in where we kind of land with this team and that's despite already seen tweets that Dishon Stribbling quote-unquote was multiple teams best receiver in the draft I'm hearing that now I guess that's true I guess, struggling now, so many months removed with multiple teams favorite player in the draft, which I don't really understand how that happens and he falls to where he did, but this is where we are. I think it's also important to bring up this is like the hardest division in football. The Rams are the best team in the NFL on paper. If they say healthy and aerodontal comes back, like look out, look out. Seattle just won the Super Bowl. And then the Niners are right there. And the Niners, according to Fandall, have the fifth lowest odds to win the Super Bowl. I'm not taking them at that price. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? Plus 15 hundred? What are the teams? Rams at plus five 50, five to one, Ravens at 11 to one, tied with the bills, Seahawks are 12 to one, and then it's the Niners at 15 to one. I'm not kidding. - There's that cluster of Niners chiefs. I think the Eagles are kind of in them. I'm like, I wouldn't touch those teams. I'm not a betting person, but I'm not touching those teams at the price. Like I don't feel good about the value on that. I just don't see them as Super Bowl contenders. It's not purgatory for them. I think we'll get to other teams in E and Fc that are genuinely stuck in a purgatory. It's not necessarily purgatory for them because they can get hot enough to be a legitimate threat in the NFC. I mean, if you're just asking me to just evaluate Roasters right now, you're not going to be able to sell me the San Francisco deserves to be in that conversation with Seattle or some or Los Angeles. - And the more we talk about it, the more I think like if there is a breakup between Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers, I think it's going to be mutual. I think both parties are going to look at the roster and what they've accomplished or haven't accomplished over the last couple of years and be like, it's not going to work with this roster and it's going to be an awkward rebuild, or like a significant rebuild, getting rid of all these expensive veterans, finding talent, accruing the draft capital to replenish the roster. So I think it would make sense. And not only for Kyle, because he can go to a team that's already built, like maybe at Kansas City. - No, I have, can I give you one? - Yeah, yeah. - I got two first round picks. I got two second round picks and I got T-Higgins. - To the way you think. - Bangles. - I'm really fired. - Burrows there. Shanahan's interested. I'm starting to get interested. I'm taking that. I'm taking that deal, 'cause you brought up the Tray Lance deal. Are the Tray Lance mistake? - I think that's proof of concept that you can win with Shanahan without that draft capital, 'cause he made one of the biggest mistakes in the modern history of the NFL and they went to the Super Bowl and probably should have won the Super Bowl. - Yes. - That year. - So, yeah. - And I was, the question I was going to pose earlier is like Lamar, Burrow, Shanahan. You're building a franchise. I'm not sure I'm not taking Shanahan over those two quarterbacks. - Definitely, especially now that they're 30. Like, we're not talking enough about how like Lamar Jackson is not going, odds are going to play like he did in his 20s and his 30s. Neither is Burrow, right? Like that's just, now Burrow is less predicated on his athleticism, but still like his mobility matters. He takes too many sacs. - I mean, if he's becomes more sacs. - His history would tell you that he's not going to, like his body is not going to fail. - He's not going to get more healthy. - Exactly. - Yeah, I just turned 32, okay? It's not easy. - You just turn in 30. Everything hurts all the time. And I'm not getting hit by NFL players. - These guys are processing better though now. - No, no, no, no. - I'm getting a bigger progression. - I'm getting worse. - All right, let's get off the Niners and let's talk about these ramps. Favorite to win the Super Bowl. Literally, they're five to one in the next best team. Next lowest odds is 11 to one. So everyone looks at this team on paper and says, this is the best team in the league. You got Miles Garrett, maybe Aaron Donalds coming back. Stafford is healthy. Like, it's hard to, you know, I don't even know how, he has spent that much time on best case here at Deontay, but like, obviously the best case is they win the Super Bowl and they're the best team in the league and they look like what everyone thinks they are. I think I want to start with you a reason instead. And like, how does this all, how do they, what is a realistic worst case? And don't just tell me injuries. Like injuries is obviously a worst case for every team. - Yeah, I have two. I have the obvious one is Matthew Stafford in particular, gets hurt and then Ty Simpson doesn't play. 'Cause I think if, because we've heard like, there's competition for that second spot with him in stats and Bennett. If that happens and the whole thing was like, oh, it was an insurance policy and they really like Ty Simpson and he's not the one that comes in and plays. That will just fuel the fire that everyone has already talked about with Sean McVay possibly hating the pick. I don't really necessarily agree with that. But like the non injury one is that the offensive line isn't as strong and we don't get one of the most efficient run games of all time and you put more play on Matthew Stafford as a drop-back passer and he's exposed to more hits. He doesn't need to be injured, but I do think if that happens, he's gonna be a little banged up and he's a 40-year-old quarterback and 40-year-old quarterbacks tend not to do well with taking a lot of hits. So I think that's the only way and it lowers the ceiling on the offense, but the floor for me is still like worst case scenario. Even if that happens, it's 10 and seven and they make the playoffs and maybe win a game or two. Do you have reason to think that the line will take a step back? Like when you mentioned, I know they're returning a lot of the starters, right? No, it was just his story. Like the run game was historically efficient and it's really hard to replicate that. How much of that too, though, is like him getting under center, like them winding in. Like I feel like that McVeigh is kind of ahead on this next-person L-changes in terms of like under center running game. Like him turning Kyron Williams into a 90% snaps player and getting efficiency is the offense. It's not Kyron Williams, right? I would say the weird thing about the offensive line is that for as great as they were running the ball, Matthew Stafford took a decent amount of punishment in the pocket last year. Like they weren't as great in terms of past protection as they were in 2021 when they actually finished the deal and won the Super Bowl and they could just be an empty all the time and just let Matthew Stafford sit back there and dice defenses up in the passing game. They've kind of had to swing the other way, right? And I think that a lot of that success is just because they've been defenses to their will in the run game. When you watch, it's really not, it's not like Philadelphia two years ago where they're just handing the ball to Seclon and you're just seeing defensive tackles just getting absolutely mauled off the ball, right? Like it's not that type of deal. They're just very sound schematically right, they have great blockers at wide receivers. The thing I wanted to bring up more so than the offensive line, maybe not more so, but just something that maybe doesn't get discussed a bunch is that this wide receiver room, it's pretty tenuous. It's actually very tenuous, right? Like I think it's easy to get lost in the touchdown count for Devon Say Adams. I think that we just kind of think about him as just like this known quantity at all times. I think on Jeremy Fowler's top 10 receivers, let's see, we'll still in the top 10, which I don't necessarily know that I would argue against that. I just don't know where that was in terms of why. You just say it, Deontay, just say it. But like the dude I listened to, 800 yards receiving last year, clearly was kind of bugged by some lower body kind of hamstring stuff. You know, as the season went on, he can still separate, but not vertically, right? And you're not really getting much from him after the catch. And now you're talking about a wide receiver room that's the lead by Pukinakuga, who is another non-separator. Great contested catch guy, but not necessarily a separator in, I think it's maybe the biggest beneficiary in a Sean McBase career of the scheme, doing a lot of the heavy lifting to make the wide receiver as productive as he is. And behind that, best of luck telling me what the rest of this passing game is supposed to look like, right? Like they are one adjustment from a defense, and I'm not saying it's going to be simple, but they're an adjustment from defenses and how they want to handle this multiple set tied in, multiple set in sets from this passing game, not looking nearly as dynamic as it did last year, right? Like, and as all these teams now, I'm sure have spent the last four to five months studying very specifically how they want to defend 12 and 13 personnel. I just don't, I would not be so quick to assume that if this team is a contender, it's going to be because they're gangbusters on offense. I think that the pathway really for them is going to be, defense gets a bunch of sacks, forces a bunch of turnovers. You don't ask Matthew Stafford to do a lot in the regular season, and then you get to the playoffs and he just becomes the same third down guy. He was, you know, a half decade ago, you know, over the last couple of seasons while they've been making display off runs and just have it resulted in a championship. That's why I don't think it's like outlandish to think, like Austin said, like, they didn't change person on the offense. I'm an offensive line, but one adjustment, I don't think that's unrealistic. First of all, we saw it with the first iteration of the McVeigh Rams after they played the Patriots in the Super Bowl. They had those down years because defenses did adjust and they forced Jared Goff to be more of a dropback passer. Obviously, Matthew Stafford is more accomplished and more able to do that. But if he is older and taking hits, I think that's tough because we watched them against Seattle and they were the only two that really, you know, had Seattle's number, had Mike McDonald's number. But it was because Stafford was a superhero in those games. Like he was doing no look at the end of the league. Yeah, he was a superhero all year long, but it, in particular, in those games, like Seattle made his part in your perfect. Yeah, it was, it was like outside the numbers, no look passes and all that crazy stuff. And if he's not playing to that level, like those Seattle games get a lot harder. And if teams kind of learn from those Seattle games, not that they're going to be able to replicate it one for one, but if they learn any lesson from that and you get kind of a blueprint like you did with the golfers of the Rams and they get stuff from an offense. Like I think we could be talking in November about like, hey, what's wrong with the rate of offense? Yeah. Is McVeigh going to find answers? And I like the tight end stuff, I think it was giving teams problems last year, but like Deandre said, they had all all season. I think they're going to treat those personnel groupings a little differently. They're going to see Ferguson come on the field and be like, that's a wide receiver. That's not exactly which they weren't really doing last year outside of Seattle. So I think that, I don't like, they have such a high floor, but I think the offense, the floor is a little lower than we like to make it out. It's also used, would you say precarious, Deandre? Like I feel like it's fragile, right? Like we say like, well, we don't do worst case with just injuries, but like Stafford is old and has had a back pain for a while. They literally like ran it out like an air bus, so like protect his back. Like Devonte Adams is getting older and is struggling with lower leg injuries. Those are, that's a problem. That's a reoccurring problem that would be foolish to say is not going to happen again next year. When you look at it in Stafford's career, you played almost 800 drop-backs last year. Like to say he's going to play back-to-back seasons over 800 or 800 plus drop-backs. It's just not something he's done really ever in his career, let alone at this age. And then we haven't even brought up the fact. I tell you, week four. or Pukin' Akua bit somebody, you're gonna be like, yeah, probably did. And he's probably gonna be suspended for like four games. Or like, started like, Pukin' Akua, anything could happen with Pukin' Akua right now, and he'd be like, yeah, I guess that did happen, huh? And then maybe, and maybe it's like, problematic or whatever, like, does it fuck up a game? Like, I think he could have in-game moments of boneheadedness. I think he could have out of game moments of boneheadedness that are hard to calculate in super ball odds on paper with our lads, you know? Like, I think that the receiving core is fragile for more ways than one. Stafford is definitely fragile. And then if this offense isn't, you know, the cats pajamas and people have caught up to it, then maybe there are, I think there's a realistic case where the defense, 'cause I think this is the best defense of lying in the NFL. BrainFast, put it forward, Kobe Turner, Byron Young, Miles Gary. I'll take it. - Maybe the air in the NFL. - The air in the NFL. - Then the secondary. I think it might be the best secondary in the NFL. They brought in the two chiefs corners, Jalen Watson, Trent McDuffey, they brought back Camcurl and Camcitchens and Quentin Lake. Like, and they kept their DC. Like, this might be a better defense than an offense. We haven't been able to say that about the Bay team ever. That's, that's interesting. - Well, I mean, you mentioned problematic, and this is kind of the last point I'd make on it. We've talked about wide receivers. We've talked about the age of Matthew Stafford. It's entirely possible that we're looking up in the first month of the season. And Matthew Stafford has been protected by Warren, McClendon, and David Quizimberry. If the NFL decides to spin on their Jackson, right? Like, that is within the realm of possibility, right? And if that's the case, I feel infinitely worse about what Matthew Stafford's health prospects are going to be throughout the year. - Quentin Berry? - Quentin Berry is your backup. - Rotate swing tackle. Like, what, is he like, that's their next left tackle up? - That's their next left tackle up, right? If a lyric Jackson has to miss any time, and I mean, he's been dealing with injuries on top of off the field stuff with the domestic violence allegations and lawsuits that have come up over the last few off seasons. So, I mean, if the NFL does decide to swing a hammer on him or he does have to miss time for any reason, I like this interior offensive line, but now you are genuinely going to be asking, you know, your Kyron Williams and Blake Chorums to go get you four to six yards on every carry because that's the only way to keep Matthew Stafford out of third and obvious past situations. I say this and I still do expect this team basically to just run through the league outside of it's two matchups against the Seahawks, but I would just not be, I don't know if I feel as certain today asking me about it as I did when the news of the Miles Garrett trade was broken, and I was first thinking about where this team was. - Of course, like we talked about, if we wake up week four and like there's two missing starters on the offensive line, this offensive line is not deep. If Quesson Berry is taking snap for this team, we are in trouble. Receiving side, what if I told you this week, they're trotting out Jordan, Wittington, Xavier Smith, and Cannada Mumfield. That's not, if Duvante Adams misses four weeks, six weeks, if Puke misses four weeks, six weeks, see who has struggled with off-field stuff, but also injuries, like, I think it's going to be tough. - This is going to be tough year, I think, for the offense. If those things happen, which I don't think are crazy to predict. - In a sick way, I think Sean McVeigh would be excited, if that was the case, 'cause he would love to do this. - Oh, he would love to do this. - He'll get his blocking wide receiver's on the bag. - The bag would get deep. All right, let's jump to the Seahawks, Super Bowl winner. Do you want my weirdest case? - Yeah. I think that's where we should start with them. - Okay. - Darnold is better under new offensive coordinator, Brian Flurry, better, new career here. Three offense coordinators and three years, and this time, Stan, I've done it somehow better. Jackson Smith, the Jigba, and Rashid Shaheed ranked first and sixth in receiving yards. Jadarian Price, their new rookie first round pick at Running Back, Notre Dame, is 90% of what Kenneth Walker was to the offense. Seahawks go up on a goal for another run, but come up short. Why I feel like that's weirdest case is, 'cause I just cannot with my crystal ball, and Deontay, tell me if I'm wrong, assume that this offense will be better in 2026 and 2025. I think the offense takes a step back because of Kubiak. I think the offense takes a step back 'cause Kenneth Walker leaving. And I think it takes a step back, because this is now gonna be year three of the best we've ever seen from Darnell, right? I think teams have woken up, and I think there could be some shit your pants factor for Darnell in year three, coming off a hangover where there might be two better teams in the division even, if San Francisco gets hot and what we've said about the Rams, but what do you think Deontay? - I mean, your weirdest case was like my best case, truthfully. - Yeah. - Like, I don't know if I'd picked them to win another shoe ball in the best case scenario, although I do expect them to be in the picture for it, almost no matter what. But I think the best case scenario is that Brian Flurry comes in as a tight-end slash run game guy, sees their combination of tight-ends and AJ Barner and Elijah Royale and says, oh, I know exactly what I wanna do with this because we've done different versions of this all the time in San Francisco. And they're very multiple. They're able to lean on the run game. Like you said, maybe San Darnell playing in an offense that is built, maybe more to be in the vision of what Kyle Shanahan has tried to build in San Francisco, assuming that that's what Brian Flurry does as a play-caller. And now you do get a bunch of hard downhill runs on early days, and now I just get to be the play-action guy. I get to be the bootleg guy. I get to be the plant my back foot, and I'm just letting it fly to Rashichi Heat. Rashichi Heat is leading the league in yards per out run because every time he touches the wall, it's some 35, 45 yard game. I think that that is within the realm of possibility, it would be a best case, though. And also, I mean, we all know kind of what this defense is. Even if it was so many guys back, being on Pupp, right? Maybe that changes the way that they approach personnel, a little bit, they've obviously lost some defensive depth in the secondary that they're trying to replace with young guys and some kind of rotational pieces behind them. But their front seven is just absolutely hell. Like, if there are people who are not like ball-nowers but want to know where to start in terms of all 22, you should watch the Seahawks defense from the inside angle and just watch what they're doing in the front seven. Nobody else in the league is hitting the way that they are hitting in between the tackles, right? So like, I think that that part's fine. That's a known commodity there. I do like the White or Sea record. I do like their tight ends. I think the best case scenario really does just lean upon what they can get out of this secondary again with Mike McDonald. And then the biggest piece really is the combination of San Bernard and Brian Fleurie between play calling and how he plays in the pocket. Because of that defensive line, I think their floor for defense is probably like top five still. Like they're the fifth ranked defense. Yeah, there's like, there's just, there's no way you could not lay out an entire, you cannot lay out a scenario where I'm going to believe they're going to be anywhere some like third or fourth in the league. They also add it, they lost Boyaimoffe, right? He's now with Cincinnati Bangles, which I think was a fine leaf given the contract that he got in Cincinnati. They also lose Kobe Bryant, who I think signed with the Bears Safety, but they've been like working in Tio Cotta and Josh Joe. Guys that are going to start in the second or for a while. Now like, how Mike McDonald ran that secondary last year, even with who's the tall corner that like almost lost to get, yeah, Treek Woolen, like, he's been rotating with Joe and Woolen and these different guys for all. Kobe Bryant played a shit load and like, I think losing him is a, it's a big piece, but like, I don't think what they lost on defense between Moffe, Bryant, Woolen is actually when like, I think they kept the guys they needed to keep, right? And, and, and, and I think this defense will be, should be as good if not possibly better than it was last year given just like Mike McDonald's still there. Like you said, the front seven is still there. But I don't know, offensively like why it's the best case for you and maybe you're not buying it. Why I feel like it is the weirdest case. Like, I can't buy Seattle being better on offense this year. They lost good career. If offensive coordinators matter, that matters. And they have to matter, right? They have to matter. That's the matter, too. So you lose kind of, I mean, saying I'm gonna know what is proof positive that they matter. Yes, that's a good point. Kevin O'Connell, who people believe I think is a Kingmaker as an offensive play collar and still are bullish on Minnesota largely because of him. Clint Kubiak, who's now the head coach of Las Vegas Raiders and leading them through their first, first overall pick at quarterbacks since 2007. Just Nate. And now you have with darn old. I don't think the, like, I think people are gonna be like, "JSN was like 47% of the target cheer last year." Like, people are like, "We can't. "If we need to limit JSN, this run game is different." It's actually Arbonate, who, you know, I think they'd hope would be healthy at the start of the season. I don't think we'll be. It's gonna be the rookie running back to Darian Price at the top. Like, I think there's gonna be too much newness for the offense and also the opposite of newness for defenses who are like, "Yeah, we saw this Seattle team "make a run last year and we know kind of how they got there." First is last year, then kind of like punching the league in the face of it with, no one expected darn old. I mean, people were like, "Darnold was a downgrade "or a Geno Smith in the off season." I think I even said that. Like, I think a lot of people felt that. But like, I think the offense and Kubiac specifically, Walker specifically, JSN specifically, I think helped lifted it. You know, some of those guys are missing this year. - I'll say, I think that their offense has become overrated from last year. Like, because of what happened, not only in the playoffs and Darnold had like a very clean playoff after leading the league in turnovers, I think that gets overlooked a lot. - Definitely gets lost. - But if you had a guess where they ranked in EPA for play last year, what would you guess? - During the regular season. - Fourth. - What about you, Dianne? - I feel like I kind of know this answer. So, I don't want to-- - They were 18. - They were 18. - This wasn't like some consistent juggernaut, this was a team that relied on explosive runs and explosive plays in the past game. And you lose your offensive coordinator who proved to be very good at drawing up explosive plays. You can even go back to his time in New Orleans, especially early on with Derek Carr. If Flore is like a dud, they have a dud at offensive coordinator then I could see this offense just staying stagnant. And if there is any regression of the defense in that division, it gets tougher. So I do think the ceiling or the floor is a little lower than maybe people expect for the Super Bowl chance. I would still put it around like nine or 10 wins, but I think there is a scenario here where we're asking questions about, more questions about Sam Darnold's future there than we are like seeing his praises. Because it's a tricky contract situation. 'Cause I think this is here two out of a three year contract. Let's say it's another high chart over a year and the offense takes a step back 'cause the coordinator change. I don't think that next necessarily reflects on him as a player, like he's worse than he was last year. But it does make it easier to question like how much you're gonna pay him. And if I'm Darnold, I'm like, I want you a Super Bowl. I had a great first year and the second year was more about who's around me rather than my own play. I would, you know, stand tall and be like, give me a market deal and I don't know if Seattle's going to be willing to give him that. Everybody's back. So up against the wall with quarterbacks who are similarly tiered or ranked to Sam Darnold, right? Like because they asking price now is going to be 55 plus, right? Like, yeah. Baker Mayfield gets to go to Tampa Bay and say, pay me more than the franchise tag because Daniel Jones just got that and he hasn't done half of the shit that I've done in the sleep in terms of consistent passing production. And Sam Darnold gets to walk in and drop a ring on the table and ask for the same thing, right? Like, so, you know, for a team like this, I do think that is that I think strictly is a worst case scenario for them because now you have to make a decision on what what kind of Sam Darnold you want to believe in for the next three to four years. And you're not just making that bet on Darnold, you're making that bet on Darnold probably somewhere between $52 to $56 million per year, which now gets you into the more cost prohibitive, you know, kind of realm of roster building. And you're not doing that if and you said like if Flurry's a dud. I think Flurry's a dud if he's average, right? Because two years from now, someone's going to be like, hey, I think we need something better because you know, that's you need one of the six to eight best offensive play colors in the league, girls. You're always going to be chasing a ceiling that you don't have. I feel like they're going to be questioning Flurry more than their questioning Darnold after this off season. If the offense takes a step, that's fair. But how do you pay them? How do you pay them? That's the question. Let's get to the cart and maybe tag them. I don't know. You know, let's get to the Cardinals quickly and then take a break and we got to get some more divisions. We probably need to move faster. Cardinals, I mean, they're in the hardest division of football. They're a dormat. The news latest is Jacoby Bersett, whose under contract has not shown up to camp yet because he wants a new deal because they want him to be the starter. My thing is why the fuck are you going to pay him to probably win more games than Minchew? Why would you pay Jacoby Bersett to come in and probably be better than Minchew when I don't think there's a single person in Arizona that doesn't think this season's about losing. The season's about the season's about getting archmaning. The season's about getting Julian San, Dante Moore, whoever. We need to, we're not winning with either Minchew or Bersett in 2027, 2028. So I don't know. I think that we mentioned the new coach thing with Hathley. LaFlur, when he took this job, I think knows. And they told him, they're like, yo, we don't really care about this year. We're going to be kind of rebuilding things or whatever. You need to make Marvin Harrison good. You need to make Michael Wilson good. You need to make Trey McBride good. We need to see some of these skill players elevated. The offense line elevated, but the quarterback position, we're okay. I don't know. The best case and worst case I think is the same, right? They need to lose a shitload of games next year. I don't know because the Cardinals have fired coaches after one year. So if I'm Mike LaFlur, I'm kind of, I'm, even if they're telling me like, you're going to have some runway here, you're going to be able to build it up. I'm like, I don't believe you. I don't, I've seen your, your grades in the NFL PA survey. I don't believe you. So I think he could be the one fighting for it, but why would you fight for Jacobi percent of all people? But just to get to my worst case scenario, I would just say that Mike LaFlur proves to be like on the lower end of the Shanahan McVey coaching spectrum. He's like one of those guys. We've already seen him kind of struggle in New York, although I think that was more Zach Wilson than him. And if that happens, then I think the Cardinals think about moving on. But if he proves to be a good play collar and they do have some good pieces where I think he's going to be able to show off some stuff, then anything else is gravy, because like you said, this season's about losing. I'm right there with you. The best case scenario is you lose, but Jeremiah Love looks better as a rookie. The national gente did last year, right? It was a production is better, right? I think that that's the best case scenario. It's going to be interesting to me with the floor, and you kind of pointed it out, Stephen, right? You go back and you look at some of the data. And it's hard to parse how much of that is just how much of a death of talent there was in New York, plus you're dealing with Zach Wilson and a defensive minded head coach. But she looked at the fact that like Michael Flur was pretty low in terms of rushing to celebrate, you know, compared to a Shanahan tree cohorts. The play action right on early downs is pretty low compared to his cohorts from this coaching tree. And you didn't see any explosive plays. Some of this is talent, right? A lot of this really is talent. But since then, we don't really have any data point to go off of to say what he is as a play caller because he's been working for people who call plays instead, right? That's why I feel like they need to set goals for the floor. And I'm almost like just looking at their offense, like thinking about this is like Falcon's light a little bit. And that like they're investing a ton of first round picks. Like, can Marvin Harris Jr. be Drake London at fucking least? I mean, the way we talked to this guy when he was getting drafted was like he was going to change the league. And he's not even better than like two of the receivers on his team. Like we aren't you aren't you concerned? Like, if you're a fantasy guy, there's a world where you don't like the issue to me is that like it's been what three years now of Marvin Harris and Junior entering entering the year probably having his role in the offense changed. Right? They've tried to use him as a vertical field stretcher as a routine. That didn't really work. They tried to use them in, you know, in between the numbers on hashes, you know, more of your big boy body up routes early last year. That didn't work as well. He came back healthy. And I think kind of started to iron some things out. And I mean, their passing volume was just so high that I think the production kind of started to fix itself. And now you're going into this hyper specific timing based, whether you're a fast-receiver or slow-receiver, you've got to be at a certain spot. You've got to have a very specific kind of skill set to separate, you know, or if you have to ask the scheme to allow you to separate, we're really shrinking your role now at what you can do in terms of adding value to the offense. So yeah, I think you have to be successful with him. Tremac Bride needs to look like the best high-end football again. Jeremiah Love needs to be one of the more explosive running backs in the league. And I think that for Michael Flour, maybe in all of this, I think kind of centers around this one point that I'm thinking about, which is that I think success for Michael Flour looks like making this offensive line look passable in a way that it just has not down the stretches of the last two to three seasons. For as much as I like, you know, a drew-pretcing for the much as I like what they were doing on offense in spite of, you know, some of the struggles that they have with Kyle and Murray over the last three or three years, the one thing that you could set your clock to was it like, basically by October, this offensive line was just not going to look viable anymore. There weren't going to be able to conventionally move the ball on the ground. They didn't get enough protection for their quarterbacks. I think if Michael Flour can take this scheme and apply it in a way that makes this offensive line look passable again, that I think a low will be a successful story for this season. And it probably is the catalyst to making some of the things we're talking about happen in terms of offensive, you know, playmaker, player production at running back and out wide receiver. True best case is they lose a ton of games, but Flour looks like he has it. And so does maybe Harrison and so does love and maybe Carson Beckett's a couple snaps and looks kind of good. And then, but like I think we know the defense is going to be bad. We also know that it's going to be hard for this offense to be good. It's, you know, it's it's not equipped to be good on the offensive line. There's so much newness and all that. All right, let's take a break and then get to the NFC North. Okay, we're going to start with the Packers. I had two question marks for Weirdest Case. I could not come up with a Weirdest Case. I think this is another team similar to the Chargers in that like, I feel like they find funny ways to lose even if on paper all the time, I feel like they should be good defensively offensively. I feel like, you know, the Mike Parsons trade happened last off season. Everyone's like, holy shit. Is this the best defense in the league? La Flour is one of the best offensive minds. Love is one of the most maybe gifted quarterbacks in the league. They love their receivers. They don't have a, now I I think we need to see some proof for the Packers. And like, I think that's a NFC championship win at least in terms of like, you'd feel really good about this season. But I think at minimum La Flour in this cast like needs a divisional round win. Yeah, just just just even hit it. Just get to the NFC title game before you win one. Yeah, I do think there's that the built in excuse of the Rams are a super team who are further along and they're they're build. But I mean, I could I feel like Acres fans are kind of in the same boat as 49ers fans, but they're kind of getting tired. Yeah. They haven't seen a Super Bowl yet. And then you start like glomming on to the weaknesses and the coach's like, I think last year a big thing was how conservative he was. They ran the football too much. They didn't pass the football enough. They went too slow at times. And I can see that being a real problem this year. If Mike Parsons isn't ready to play, when he comes back, he's not Michael Parsons like capital M capital P. Because that defense is bad around him. That front seven could be really bad around him. I think he's arguably like the most load bearing piece in that division outside of the quarterbacks. Obviously just might be the most load bearing defensive player in the league. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like they need him to generate a pass rush. And if their defense stinks, but he's not going to play at week one or will right now. No, no, I don't. Yeah. I mean, we might not see him until November, right? Like Green Bay has a history of being very conservative with. They have a set timeline that you have to hit. They try to get you at least 10 months. And I think the more often than not, they're really trying to shoot to get you a full year of recovery, which means that we might not see him until Halloween, you know, next year or this year. Is this defense better under Jonathan Ganon than it was, Hathley? That's possible. I don't know if I can visualize it because I don't know how different they are from a play calling personality perspective, right? Jonathan Ganon is a good defense. Ever been a good deep as a play caller? No. You took the words right out of my mouth. Because he runs like three high sometimes and does crazy cover. Like it's like, no, that would have been cool if it worked, but it never works. Like it sounds like defense. It sounds so unfair because we're talking about the fucking Super Bowl against Patrick Mahol's, which might be in what might have been the greatest offensive. But like, I just cannot escape the memory of the second half of that Super Bowl. He had a spray enclosures though. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry, sorry. I think it would have mattered for me. I think so defensively, I feel like I have a literal march, you know, and I think that that's been the problem for as a play caller, not to cut you off, Austin. I think, no, no, for me, weirdest case, which I know is more, it was your deal. I think the weirdest case for me is that Michael Parsons comes back in a defense case. it's worse because some of the issues that they have are, because some of the issues that they have, I think are just above things that Michael Parsons individually can fix. Their corners have been a problem, right? They've been gamblers and inconsistent in coverage and we have seen them have multiple breakdowns out on the perimeter. Stephen kinda laid out the predictability in terms of early down runs, their inability to close the deal in these close games at high leverage situations. One of the other things that I remember going back to watching the wildcard round is that a bad Bears defense kind of outmuscled them for much of that game. And this is a team that has provided itself on having this revolving door of good offensive lineman and being able to develop guys. And we just saw, we have seen them play in these big games and just get their heads caved in in between the tackles on both sides of the ball. And that comes back to what we were talking about with guys like Devon say why it and the contract that he signed. I think the packers for the most part have done a smart job of building a roster that is both young high potential and set to high enough floor for you to genuinely be in the playoff to conference championship conversation. But now some of these bets have to pay off, right? Christian Watson has to be available. Tucker Kraft has to come back and look again the way he did for the first month of the season or like oh man, like we might have another grunk on our hands 'cause every time he's got such as the ball, two to three defenders are just bouncing off of his body right out in the open field. It's gotta look like that on offense again. And defensively, I think that they just gotta find a way. Even if it means that you're, you know, you're one of the worst teams in terms of success rate defensively to just not give up big plays to find a way to load up the box and take away the run. And hope that when Michael Parsons gets back he can be the closer that you need. And that that might be enough of a recipe where if you land on the right side of the bracket maybe you can end up in the NFC championship game. My worry is that LaFour is gonna lean into like the conservative tendencies and be like, all right, our defense isn't good. We gotta protect our defense by controlling the ball and running the football again. Whereas I think the best version of this team assuming the defense is mediocre to bad is let's outscore everyone. We have Jordan Love, a top 10 quarterback, perhaps coming back Watson. We paid him a bunch of money. We finally think we have our receiving core settled. I think they should be aiming to score 30 points a game. And they should be like the 2020 to 2022 bills. It was just like the goal is to get 35 on the board and then whatever happens after that, at least we did our job. Yeah, and I don't know if that's gonna happen. And I think if it doesn't happen in the floor runs the offense the way he did last year which kind of lowers the ceiling. I think Packers fans kind of have a right to complain about it. Whereas I think 49ers fans would be insane to complain about Kyle Shannon. I think there's a last year or something with the offensive line. They dealt with a lot of injuries specifically early in the season. I remember like Zack Tom like trying to play through a ton of shit. They weren't, you have to hope that they're healthier. But Josh Jacobs is on domestic violence allegations. We don't know if he's gonna be available for the start of the season. We don't know if the league is gonna suspend him. And I think something I've loved about their receiving core even though I don't really like any individual piece outside of Jaden Reed is that they've had a ton of guys. And now Dobbs is gone. Don Tavian Wicks is gone. And then Matthew Golden was this rookie sensation who if I think his last name was Smith, I don't even think the fancy community knows he's a football player. And then Jaden Reed is another person who gets hurt all the time. Yeah. So like, and Skymore's on the bench. That's always a bad time. And Kraft is coming off of major injuries. Yeah. Like I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm scared. If Tucker Kraft is not Rob Grankowski again, which often ACL is hard to imagine, even though he's in his athletic prime and like, you know, medical advances are better. If one of these receivers misses time and Skymore is taking snaps, I'm gonna go ahead and wave. Because Josh Jacobs is gonna be suspended. The offensive line we're hoping is fully healthy. Like, I think the offense has real counts. And like LaFlure, I think is as good of a problem solver as an offensive play color as any coach in the league. But at a certain point there's gonna be maybe too many problems for this offense. And not enough solution. Like Kraft is a solution. I think Jordan Love is a solution. After that, there's a lot of problems I think for this offense, either through availability or even just like actual play. Like I thought, and I'm gonna get this on record now, I hope that Christian Watson contact was insane. And like, it's not because I don't think he's a good player. I think it's more likely that Christian Watson drops the pass that wins the game for the Green Bay Packers and the NFC Championship with the division around. And it's likely that he's the hero. I think he could be the hero against a shitty team in the regular season and have 150 yards and two tugs. But in the playoffs, when he's one on one and he drops it, bring back this pot. Because I think that's more likely in my opinion than him being some hero catching some big pass down the way. I think they have the widest range of realistic outcomes in this division. Like I have their floor at six wins. But I could see, I'm not ruling that out. But this has been a very negative conversation. But I think it's because I think the Packers have had this like, they brought in my part. Last year, we were talking about them maybe being the best team in football. And then now we like are all like, are they even, they wouldn't even be the third best team in the NFC West. Like that to me feels like a big change from where we were when they traded for Parsons last year. Let's go to the Bears. Speaking of wide range of outcomes. And all of last year, all of the regression is going to point out like they were trailing in so many games and it's hard to be these come back kings. And I think Craig Horbeck on the ringer fantasy football show I think is very fair to say. Like when you learn how to come back, that is experience that I do think matters. Now I'm not saying it means every game you're trailing, you're now going to win eight of those games or whatever. But I do think that kind of experience is going to translate in terms of like, we're never down. But I'm interested in what your worst case is, Ruiz for the Bears. Is there an unraveling completely between Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams, something that I don't think anyone is expecting or do you even think their worst case is not that and it's something else? - No, I kind of have that folded into my worst case. But I would say I kind of disagree on the wide range of outcomes. I think this team has a very narrow range of outcomes because I don't think they were as good as they kind of showed last year. And I just don't see the floor being that low just because I think Ben Johnson is such a good coach. And I think they've made some additions to the secondary to attack specific problems, like giving up explosives. And I trust the defensive coordinator. But my worst case scenario is that Dylan Theteman and Kobe Bryant, those additions don't fix the explosive play problem. And then the Bears are in these past heavy scripts. And some of the issues that Ben Johnson was willing to overlook in year one for Caleb Williams. He's not willing to overlook it in year two when I do think there is an outside chance of a fracture in that relationship. Just because of those two personalities. So I think that's worst case scenario. I don't think that's going to happen. But I could very much see a situation where it takes off season where we're like, oh, what's the relationship between these two guys? Because I think people were pushing that narrative before they ever played a football game together. Yeah, but then I think that that narrative kind of died after they started playing football games together, specifically in the second. But it's so easy to come back because like the out of structure thing and everyone's like, oh, Ben Johnson's a stickler for the details. So I think it would be easy to bring it back. I think that the offense is going to be better in 2026. I agree. I would, I think it, I would be betting on that side more. So then it's plateaued or regresses. What do you think, Johnson? I think the best case scenario to answer, I think this probably answers your question is that Caleb Williams plays like a first team on a pro quarterback, right? Like I don't want to put the MVP tag on them because that is just, I feel really lofty for a team that is really wants to base itself off of dominating you on the ground. I think that we saw that even as they were getting high last year, right, that it was really a lot more about, you know, a Kyle Munga guy and, you know, DeAndre Swift in this offensive line, which was, which we thought was just slapped together at the time, actually coalescing into being one of the better run blocking units in the league being paired with, you know, maybe the best run game designer that we have in the league right now in Ben Johnson. You know, it's funny, when Steven says the narrow band of outcomes, I thought about it the same way. I'm like, this is a 10 and 17. It's just going to be a matter of whether or not the 10 and 7 is complimentary or derogatory. Like, you know, and I think the complimentary version of that is that all of the metrics that, you know, make us feel good about this team right now hold true. They continue to be one of the best teams in terms of success rate and explosive play rate in the run game. You start to see a little bit of improvement from Kayla Williams on early downs in terms of not having those inexplicable misses, you know, on speedouts or comebacks that will move the chains or keep you, you know, ahead of the chains on those early downs. And that maybe you're just not winning as many games because the defense doesn't force a ridiculous amount of turnovers anymore, right? Like, and that because you're in a very competitive division, and I think that they have to play, I think that division is playing the NFC East right this year. I think you're going to see a lot of close games again. And maybe you just end up on the wrong side of, you know, some of your close game luck that you were on the right side of last season. And if you can just make the playoffs again with this unit, with this team that I think still needs to pivot at a lot of different places, I don't think that moving on from DJ Moore to ad draft capital. I don't think they're just opening up opportunities for a coast and leveling. And, you know, a Lutheran burden is enough for this team to get to where it wants to get to. Ultimately, nor do I think that all of the, you know, money and draft capital spent on the defensive side of the ball. I don't think that any of that is enough to even out the play there either. I think that this is like plugging holes that make the defense better. 100%. I think that, and we just talked, we've talked about this, you know, with San Francisco, right? Like, you pay to paper over your draft misses. And this is a team that I think, you know, for the rest of the, you know, Caleb Williams is Ricky Diel, all the money that they're supposed to have to be able to go spin on luxury items, is actually going to be spent trying to patch over holes on this offensive line with this defense. And I think that really the best case scenario is just going to be that Williams is so excellent that he makes it not matter for another season. - I want to talk about the Vikings next. So obviously it's the J.J. McCartney. the former first round pick only first round pick I think ever to not play a single snap his rookie season as a quarterback. He got hurt in like the preseason and we didn't even see the injury but it apparently was just like out the entire year. Then you enter year two, you know Kevin O'Connell's changing his entire footwork going into the season and not really thrilled about it and you kind of see immediately that it's just not going to work out and you get some Carson Wentz mixed in last year and now you'll kind of marry all of a sudden becomes available for the vet minimum and it's you know they're saying this is going to be a competition all the way up to the start of the season. From people I've talked to who covered the team you immediately see who the better quarterback is. It's Kyler Murray and I think it's advantageous right for the Vikings to say like this is going to be a competition to the end but I had imagined that in closed rooms and even in these practices it's going to feel like they're giving Murray the more and more and more of the first dream reps as we get closer to the season because like even if you if you're buying Kyler Murray you want to buy him on the first half of the season more than the second half like I like I like Murray before Grand Theft Auto comes out more than anybody and I also think that like you know throw the fucking video game stuff out of her seconds like the injuries right he's a smaller quarterback that has battled injuries he's going to be healthier before he plays the games than he is going to be you know at the halfway point of the season and I've been saying all year that like for fantasy football purposes and even for bedding purposes I want to kind of pump and dump the Vikings because I think the first half of the season could be so much better than the second half of the season because I think that's where Kyler's at his best and maybe we're like they're still shocking people with like what this offense looks like right right but I think over the second half of the season either through Kyler injuries or Kyler regression and then maybe JJ has to play more than they thought or got forbid someone else gets hurt I think it's gonna be harder for this defense or for this team going into the playoffs to be like a red hot team I guess that doesn't help spell out best or worst case but I kind of I am like kind of I think they're more more realistic thing is that they're hot in moments maybe specifically at the start of the season and then towards the end no one's like kind of buying them as a serious contender what do you think Ruiz I think it's that 2024 season right the the one with Sam Darnold I think yeah followed a similar script my worst case scenarios that we'd never get a clear resolution to the McCarthy Kyler thing because I think that means Kyler is bad and not necessarily that JJ has taken some significant step forward which I guess is a possibility but I think the Vikings if Kyler does struggle in any way I think the Vikings are going to go out of their way to kind of make this first round pick happen and they're going to give them a longer leash and give them every chance to succeed I think that's the only reason we're seeing this quote unquote competition which I don't think is a competition because Kyler has become underrated my mind I don't think he's like a top 10 quarterback or even like on the fringes anymore but he's in an above average quarterback who could do things and fill in some gaps that I don't think the Vikings have had recently like he's had his best like in quick game to me like he's like a mini version of Aaron Rogers later career Aaron Rogers so it's not the the biggest compliment but I think Kevin O'Connell had his best run game last year I think he gets like a quick game situation going on and then you get the old version of Justin Jefferson back I think there's a chance that this office could be very good but there's always a timeline on it because of Kyler Murray's size in the entry history I think we should hold open some space for the fact that like this office might just be kind of like the zombified version of what Kevin O'Connell typically like to do with the offense versus him trying to shoehorn some of that stuff in to make it work with the Kyler Murray and how he likes to play stylistically right which I think does kind of feed into some of the things that you guys are saying in terms of your concerns long term for this season or if things do stagnate maybe it is because Kyler has a hard time you know kind of finding himself in this style of offense I think the Kevin O'Connell has done an excellent job I think we have enough proof now to say that like he can be pretty malleable right so I'm not saying that I believe that it's going to be a stilted effort to try to build this offense in a way that both matches what O'Connell wants to do and what Murray is used to or most comfortable with I'm just not so sure that it's going to be even if Murray is clearly better than McCarthy this plug and play hey we just dropped a more talented guy into our ecosystem and it's all good I do think that schematically we might have to kind of wrap our arms around things looking a little bit different a lot more gun you know I think that just a different application of all there 11 personnel stuff that we may have come used to over the last few years but to me the best case scenario is it really is just going to be culinary is healthy he looks like that fringe MVP level quarterback that they had you know that we saw in in Carolina at points and that this team is just able to sneak into the wildcard around and I think if you can get Brian Flores and Kevin O'Connell into a playoff environment that to me is good enough to just say hey no matter how this lands you gave yourself your best shot of being successful but this team is going through a pivot now right like I felt like outside of Miami this seems probably in the most dire straits financially with all the contracts they have to sort out because they had to spend so much money on their defensive front seven you know two off seasons ago trying to patch over some holes from misses in the draft when Kwasia Delflmanso was running um was running the organization from a personnel perspective there's still going to be dealing with that and I think that we might see we might really be testing the limits of you can hand Brian Flores literally anything and get a Michelin you know star hard meal out of it things could get a little tricky I think with this front seven yeah that's true that's true of KOC too right though like if if Kyler struggles and then we saw him stroke like J.J. McCarthy struggle I think the floor is higher though that did the offense of talent is so much better that it is so much better that that is a good point but I do think the reputation of him as like a quarterback savior will be questioned and I do think if the defense is better they are as you know good again like this should be Flores is last year as a DC we say that every year I guess but you would one would think to be put together another solid defense that he would get a head coaching opportunity somewhere and if you're questioning Koc to you at the same time like I don't know where this team goes from here especially financial I remember kind of previewing the Vikings going into last season and I think I like dramatically underrated what Flores could do with this personnel and it feels like you know outside of the first round or Kayla Banks who is dealing with his own injury stuff we don't know what availability he's gonna have at the start of the season whatever it's going to be like when you read this secondary James Pierre for the agent brought over from Philly Josh Mattel isn't safety who they pay a lot I'll back Jay Wardet free safety Isaiah Rogers is the other opposite corner then Byron Murphy in the slot I mean that's one of the worst on paper secondaries that you predict for a defense that could realistically finish like top six yeah and like if Flores like you're saying delivers and this defense is like top six to eight you know I think the offensive line you know they battled tackle injuries last year but if like Brian O'Neill and Christian Derrissar are healthy and you have Addison Jefferson and they they signed I think an underrated Joanne Jennings from San from San Francisco 49ers you're like him in the slot I like both they're you know they're tight I like TG Hawkins in a lot but I think they can run multiple tight ends with Josh Oliver is that number two like there's weapons here that work I it's gonna be fascinating how they handle the and Kyler McCarthy will kind of take so much of it but this would be wasting very good offensive personnel if Kevin O'Connell McCarthy Murray are unable to figure it out okay Lions I'm I'm kind of in on the Lions just letting you guys know I think I'm buying if there is a dip I think I'm buying in one of the stats I'm kind of like parodying right now in the first half of season weeks one through nine before Dan Campbell took over offensive play calling you know they were like I think average not below average in explosive play rate for passes and for runs they went to like second in the league and explosive passes and explosive plays over the second half of the season and like it wasn't that our offense was like overly that much more efficient play to play but like Dan was able to kind of get back into dialing up explosives and you know bringing pet saying in and assuming that the offensive line is not going to be as new as it was last year when they were stripping all serves I know they're moving but they stool from right tackle to left but I honestly I'm more bullish on this offensive line now than I was at least last year yeah when they're trying to get Frank Ragnot to come out of retirement then they found out he's like a torn everything I don't know I think I'm buying the offense and then defensively I think we can all say out loud now that like Aaron Glenn wasn't driving this defense and it's just like they need talent and they need health but like outside of Hutch like where and I know they just paid Campbell big money and only McNeill is really good but like lose carry on Arnold now like I the defense I have questions about I think offensively though I think I'm buying the dip Ruiz where am I wrong I don't think you're wrong I just think it's a house of cards on offense like if they lose Jemeer Gibbs which is a running back like we don't want to just be like oh you have to get injured of course that's worst case scenario but like a running back it's hard to rely on them for 17 games every year if they lose him I think that explosive element almost like you got to cut it in half and if Jamison wasn't you know isn't doesn't take another step forward like where does the explosive plays come from I agree with you like that was the difference between when they were going good and when they weren't going good last year explosive plays but I think it was talent dependent last year especially with Gibbs Gibbs did so much for that offense and like even the passing game like you look at Jerichoff's numbers and you think this was like some high flying offense but he's like a dot in some games was like three and he wasn't you know it was a lot of run after catch and scheming things up so I do think like the margin for error is not that big with them but I do think they obviously have a high floor on offense it's one of the offensive offensive lines in the league I think and they saw what left tackle Mahogany say what you will he was starting last year Cade Maze at center coming over from Carolina free agent edition I think that's a huge upgrade over who had that center last year yeah Tate Ratledge second year player now Blake Miller first rounder at tackle out of Clemson then you go to the depth Larry Borum brought in free agency has started games in this league juice Scruggs brought over via trade from Houston has started games in this league Ben Barch former starter for San Francisco in the jacks before that that's this three guys that have started games in the NFL that are on your bench I think they understood that how how bad the offensive line was last year and specifically the lack of depth if I'm assuming that this offensive line is like one of the four best in the league because it can maintain injury all the stuff and you know I'm buying I think Petsing is a play collar in a lot of these weapons like maybe the offense is enough to work like if this defense is shaky to even just like bad, this is still a team that if you go into the playoffs with them, I don't know, could they win a couple, but then it comes back to like golf and like if they go against a freaking Seattle defense, like I don't know, is it, is King golf survived that? I do think what they we've learned, like the past couple of years where there's kind of been a rejuvenation for the running back position and like the question you running back matter and all that is you need a home run hitter to take advantage, full advantage of a good offensive line. And we saw that with Safequan Barkley, like the difference between the Eagles last year and the year before, was Safequan was hitting home runs every day. And then he started he just stoutlin got upset, like that whole thing, I think ruined that offensive line. And then that didn't happen the next year and the offense just totally changed. So I think as long as Gibbs is is running well and in playing well, I think this offense has a very high floor. If there's any regression with him, especially in terms of home run hitting, then I think you run into problems. Damn, you're right though, because if Gibbs, like you find out before the season that he's going to miss like six to eight weeks or something, or even like worse than that, you're like, man, I think I'm selling this entire offense. And you're not saying that about a running back in maybe 31 other teams. That's interesting. Maybe Niners. But okay, let's jump to the Eagles. You brought up to the Eagles. Deante kick us off. What's our best case for the chat GBT Nick Sireani Eagles in 2020, 26? I almost am buying the Eagles again, because if everyone's going to catch up to the jokes, then it's like, oh, damn, like maybe I don't want to sell the Eagles if everyone's selling the Eagles in 2026, 2027, and thinking Sireani's going to get let go and this whole AI thing's not going to work. But I don't know. What's the best case? Is this a Super Bowl team still? I think you kind of, I think that this roster still has to be considered a Super Bowl quality roster, even without AJ Brown, even without Jeff Stoutlin. I think even with the disaster that was this team's approach to offense last year, I still think you have to look at this defense and say if Terrick will and can just keep his head on straight, you can make an argument that outside of Houston, Seattle and Los Angeles, this will be the fourth team I think in the conversation of could be number one, you know, could be the number one defense in the league by season's end, right? They've checked off all their boxes there, even without, you know, an AJ Brown. I think you look at their wide receiver room, relatives of the rest of the league and say it's probably about league average, right? Like, this is just a different world for this offense because they've gotten, you know, so accustomed to not being the average, but being no worse than like the third or fourth receiving core in the NFL. And I think that this all kind of dovetails into my best case scenario, which is that the offense of line is healthy. The wide receiver room is average enough and that this team does what it does when it contends, which is his home runs in the run game. Even before they quite got there, one of the reasons why they were so efficient in the run game was because they were able to get these light boxes because they're always spread out and you have the threat of jail and hurts his legs. And then that was able to manufacture guys like DeAndre Swift and Miles Sanders having these, you know, just wide open, you know, high yards before contact numbers. I think that if this offense schematically now can do what the talent used to, this could easily, I think still be an 11 win team in the NFC championship picture. I think that just all of this kind of hinges on one guy and maybe this has always been the case. And I know that it inspires a lot of debate amongst both us as media folks and then obviously with fan bases. But this all comes back to just what are not jail and hurts can actually maximize what's around him and not it be the other way around. Ruiz, are you predicting, give me your worst case, but I also need to hear where you're predicting hurts finishes on your quarterback rankings at the end of the season. And if you would say it's more likely than not that hurts is the problem at the end of the season. If things don't go where they want to and filling. I mean, I think that's obvious, isn't that obvious that if this offense isn't good? But I think the other scenario is that the offensive line doesn't bounce back from a down year last year, especially in the run game, because that means Sean Manion has to be a dude. Like he has to be a significant floor razor, which is a lot of pressure for a guy who was playing football like what four years ago, yeah, we're not playing, but he was on a roster. But there's a lot of uncertainty there, but I think the other part of it is if the bad vibes continue and Vic Fangio is like, dude, I don't want to do this anymore. I want a super bowl a couple of years ago. I'm not going to become a head coach again. I'm retiring. I think the whole thing falls down because I think that's been stoutland and it's been Fangio. I don't want to take too much credit away from Cereani, but those have been the pillars of this team as a champion. Stiking. I mean, the stiking, what before the road bearing piece of this will still be here, which is the general manager, but I do, I do think that from a coaching perspective, like you would definitely, that I think would really kind of leave bear Nick Cereani in the, what exactly do you do here? Yeah. That's your conversation. But the other part is like, I've seen like some people suggest like you look at the Malik Willis stuff that the packers did when he got in there and obviously Sean Manion is coming from that and they could run the similar stuff with Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts isn't that type of runner. Like Jalen Hurts isn't an explosive runner like Malik Willis. Like Malik Willis probably runs like a 4-4. Jalen Hurts, I think is better at like, he gets downhill and gets those extra yards and falls forward more so than a guy that's going to beat an end around the corner. Like we saw whenever they run the zone read, it looks bad when it's a quarterback keeper. So I have some reservations there. I don't think it's like beyond the realm of possibility that Jalen Hurts can take to like an under center offense and they can run an offense traditionally. They don't have to get him pistol. They don't have to run the zone read. Like I think that's possible. But I think the more realistic situation for me I think is that the offense is fine and I think it's still fairly clear to see that there are limitations with Hurts, but maybe he's like, averagely adjusted to what this Manion offense is in year one and the offense is fine. I think the defense could be like you said, Deontay, one of the best if not the best in the NFL. I think the edge group is like, you know, everyone talks about the corners, Cooper Jean, Quinnian Mitchell, like two of the best. But like the edge group, they trade it for Jonathan Grenard, which I thought was a steal for Philly. They sign in for ANC Arnold Nebuchadne, former first or first or second round pick. AJ Bonesa, another former first or second round pick. They still have Nolan Smith, former Georgia defensive end who's now rotating in and Jelix Hunt. Like I don't think any, like I think Grenard is obviously the best of that group. But like the depth and rotation at that group, I think is very strong. The secondary is good. Big fan Joe is one of the best in the league. Yeah. I think the defense is going to carry them to the playoffs no matter what almost. I think the offense isn't going to bottom out. Now, if the offense bottoms out, they're moving on from Hertz. And I think they trade for Joe Burrow in 2027. You get clear answers though. Yeah. That's why I think they went to this style of offense because this is the style offense that people like me and everyone else that criticized Jaylen Hertz say he can't run. You're going to get a clear answer. True. Like we've put them in different styles of offenses now. And if they do regress back to that spread offense and they're in the gun all the time and they're running RPOs and doing stuff like that, then we can positively say, like Jaylen Hertz was the main influence over that style of offense. I mean, they added a fullback, right? They added Johnny Munt. They added Stone Smart. These are like blocking tight ends. They want to run. They last year they ran, I think 60, 64 percent, 11 percent, I was like, maybe eight highest, nine highest in the league. I'd imagine that they want to get this fullback on the field more. I'd imagine that they want to get some of these tight ends that they brought in more. Not Granca Calcatera again, but these other guys. They drafted Eli Stowers. So I think he's going to see the field with Dallas Goddard like I think the more, I don't think they're going to have two receivers or three receivers on the field as much as they did last year. I think they're going to attack the middle of the field more. I think they're going to get under center more. I think they're going to try to have multiple tight ends more. I think the more likely thing is because you have Sequan Barkley and arguably the best five starters along the offensive line, there's read this group. Jordan Milotta, Landon Degretson, Cam Jurgen's, Tyler Steen and Lane Johnson. All five of those guys are healthy all year, which is a big F. That's one of the most talented front fives in the league. If Barkley and that front five is working and Hertz is like, like you said, maybe not adjusting to it, but the offense still like finds a way to stay afloat. I think it's more like, like the most likely outcome is that Hertz is on for another year. They are trying to figure out in year two, but like the bottom out, this offense is untenable. We have to completely change everything and not what Manion wants. That's where, like I kind of said before, like I think that's where they move on from Hertz and they trade for Joe Burrow. That's why you can't rule them out as suitable contenders because like on paper based on last year, you think like it's not going to happen, but like you laid out the case. If all that is clicking, then there's going to be a top five offense with a top five defense and that's a formula for winning the Super Bowl. I guess I'm not cheering for Joe Burrow because he only wants to run Shaw Fenton, anyway. Yeah, so I can't do it. I don't want to belabor this right, so we can kind of jump off of this and others of the teams that we need to get to, but I think that this is always why people get so hung up when you're having the general Hertz conversation. And I'm going to try, I'm trying to find the right way to articulate this where one of the issues is that A, play style gets judged just as much as talent does, right? Because it gives you the context that you need. And I think that with Jalen, the hang up has always just been that his play style actually puts a lot on the shoulders of the other players around him, right? And it's just kind of endemic to the way that he approaches a position. He does not want to take a lot of risks with the ball, right? So that shows up in the throws in the middle of the field. That shows up in how quickly or how long he's holding on to the ball, probably more aptly. He shows up in his pressure to sack, you know, rate, especially, you know, early in his career. Even when things were going well in 2024, like it always felt like the second that the pocket broke down, he was either going to scramble and throw the ball away, you know, step out of balance for again, zero yards, or who was going to end up getting sacked. And then the other thing with that is, is like, need you have to kind of contextualize that with just the style of play that you're trying to build around him. And ultimately, that is why Austin, you have to add a Johnny month, why you have to, I think maybe lean on a car in the steel to be a full back. This is why I think you're going to see probably more 12 personnel, more under center, more 21 personnel. And less of that. eleven wide open spread out offense. Let's run four votes on fourth down with the game on the line, you know, type of approach. It's just going, that is the only way I think in this modern iteration of football when defenses have reacted much better to the spread and how the person know how to handle it now that if you have a quarterback that plays away, the hurts does the best thing you can do is try to take the ball out of his hands, condense the game and not ask him to have to work through as much and that does make it 30 that makes it almost more high variance than the way they were playing before because this means that the few times that he is in these obvious passing situations, we are going to be judging him even harder, you know, because of volume is going to be low on its stakes are going to be higher on his passes I think this year. So we are going I think to walk away from 2026 with a very clear idea of where he stands in the quarterback hierarchy. I think we can argue that December 8th we walked out of it with a clear idea when they played the chargers and he threw four picks and it looks like complete shit against Jesse Mentor's defense. I think that's when Eagles fans and national media in general like, whoa, there's no reason our quarterback should ever look this bad. And now it's getting louder and I think that, you know, like you brought up like, well, his style of offense like it doesn't like it actually puts a lot of the burden on the other players on the team and maybe even the play collar and blah, blah, blah, and then you try to, I imagine you try to bring it up to him and he's like, trust the process right as do every day. And it's like, okay, Russell Wilson fucking, it's cool when we're winning, but when we're not, I'm getting a little upset because I need you to be like real and like tell me like actually what we need to change rather than kind of like, you know, we're on to the next one or whatever the next little thing is going to be. Can we talk giants? Let's talk giants. I was going to go Cowboys next, but I want to go to giants because I need you guys. I need Deontan. I need you to tell me why I'm wrong. I could not be fading the giants harder in 2026. I'm not buying them at all like what is the actual best case for this? I guess it's like what we thought, like, I think the immediate hours after they got Harbaugh. I think all of us were like, holy shit, finally, an adult in the room, floor razor for a team that's come in complete dog shit for a while, and like they need to be competitive. Like hyphids, Danny hyphids, a host of The Ring of Fantasy Football Show, Longtime Giants fan, he always brings up like the last 10 years or so every time he gets the Thanksgiving, which the Giants play a lot on, like they're out of playoff content. Like every time his family gets together to watch the Giants on this big TV, they're already out, and I think when Harbaugh was hired initially, hyphids and other Giants fans are like, okay, we're not going to be dog shit by Thanksgiving. But I think you're going to have like maybe four or five wins by Thanksgiving and maybe missing out on the playoffs. That's what I think ends up happening, at least in year one of the Harbaugh experience. I guess Deontan, tell me the best case, and is it much better than that? I hope it is. I think the best case scenario is that Juju Smith Schuster and Odo Beckham Jr. never have to log a snap because that means the league neighbors is healthy by the start of the season. I think that that is the best case scenario. And then with that, you're able to craft a passable offense. I have a hard time wrapping my head around with this offense, it's supposed to look like a matinee he offense to begin with, and then you're talking about this wide receiver core around a quarterback that does not work with the same level of dexterity, quickness, high levels of understanding of how defenses are trying to play you the way the negis used to with dealing with Patrick Mahomes for the last few years, and the ways in which we seen him struggle when he was dealing with the similar quarterback in Chicago in Miss Trubisky. So what we see Jackson Dart, a guy who does want to kind of pat the ball into Paga, who does want to roll out, who does want to extend. There are ways in which this often sneezes it. But the guy that has done it to the best, to the best of his ability happens to be the greatest human being that has ever played quarterback before in my opinion. I just can't envision unless these guys are perfectly healthy and you do get something out of the running game, which I still am kind of dubious about, unless it's going to be led by Jackson Dart, which I think kind of bumps up against some of the ways in which they're trying to preserve his body. I think any best case scenario is going to have to be separate from the offense outside of neighbors getting healthy, and maybe it's just that the combination of avarice, Ryan Burns, you know, and all the guys they have in their front for a front seven overall are able to just wreak havoc, and that ends up being the way in which they can play spoiler in the NFC ease. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm not going to be any more optimistic. Obviously, my job was to come up with the most pessimistic take, and I think that's easy to do. Just not only for the reasons that Yante just laid out, but even John Harball, I don't think it's some guaranteed floor razor. Baltimore was a poorly coach team last year. Ask their, ask their owner when he did that meeting when he's there like, would Harball have survived if they made that kick, and he's like another week. Yeah, they were done. They were done with it. It was too many penalties, blown coverages over the past couple of years. The special teams wasn't even good, which is supposed to be hard boss thing. And like, go back to pre Lamar. He was already on the hot seat. They get Lamar and Lamar kind of fixes everything. There's another wall because he doesn't want to move on from Greg Roman because he's friends with him. Who's Greg Roman coaching for now? It's the Giants isn't it? Oh, the Giants. He's on the Giants track. Yeah. Cool. Cool. He comes in and turns that into a championship level defense. And once he leaves that falls off immediately, like the Ravens being a good title contender of the last, I guess going back to 2018, has been based around Lamar, who's won two MVP's and Mike McDonald, who is the best defensive coach in the NFL and immediately won a Super Bowl once he got out of Baltimore and away from Harball. So I don't think this is an improvement over the last coaching staff or at least I need to see it first before I believe it. It's been a long time since I've been able to point to John Harball and be like, he is a great NFL head coach. I think if you would you rather have John Harball or Jim Harball, it's not even close at Jim. Would you would you like, I think, thinking about Harball and this coaching staff, you know, when they signed on the same day, jujus miss Schuster, Braxton Barrio, Sonoto Beckham, Jr., I said, that might be a cell signal, you know, when you sign those three guys and Lee Kable's name, Lee Kable sounds like it's hurt. And like, I think this receiving core could be really ugly to start the season. I think the last time a Harball was good was 2017 as a head coach. I think the offense for like widely understood reasons with their receiving core and the concern around elite neighbors, their former first round pick, not being healthy at the start of the season. I think it could be bad. I think the offense because it's legit brand new with, we're assembling a team. It's Greg Roman, Brian Callahan and fucking Matt Nackie, three guys that like, if you say we're attached to your offense in 2027, 2028, everyone would be like, ah, I'm scared I'm nervous. I don't think we can do it. And then that's commitment to his guys, he's bringing back Roman, he's bringing back his boys, then you tell me, I say, I likely got signed to this team to some big ass deal. And Patrick Cards on this team, it's like, hmm, I'm not liking the smell of this. Bow is doing flips. I'm not liking it. I'm not liking the whiff I'm getting from this and it sounds like a guy who's like going to die with his guys. And I think your one's going to be probably a mess. It's going to be a mess offensively. And like, that's if we haven't talked about the talent of the actual players on this roster. Exactly. And the construction of the roster is like, it makes me bearish overall. And then like, what if Dart has a sophomore slump like every other fucking quarterback every year? What if, you know, I think the defense is the only thing that I think you can build the best case around. Like this front seven, Shelby Harris, DJ Reader, Lucky Foto on the bench, Roy Robertson Harrison on the bench. And you have defense vans, Brian Burns, Abdul Carter, Lionbackers, Tremaine Edmonds they bring in. They got over like this front seven should be insane. The defense should be top six, top eight in the league. Offensively, I could see this being dog shit in the blame pie just getting thrown. Great. Roman gets a little taste. Callahan gets a mix, Dart for a week, Scatabo for a week, Isaiah likely for a drop. Like, they're going to be throwing this and it's not going to be Harbaugh. It's not going to be Harbaugh, which I it's an interesting situation with the whole Joe Shane of it all too. Like you said, you had him on CuckWatch, I think, Steven. Like, this is a weird leadership group. It's a weird coaching staff. It's an awkward roster. Like, and Harbaugh never built a team too. Like, I know they gave them, they're basically giving him full roster control, essentially. But he wasn't the guy building those Ravens teams. Like Ravens had a firmly entrenched front office set up going back to like 1996 with Aussie Newsom and then Eric DeCosta. Right. Back in there to him. Like, he is both John Harbaugh and Aussie Newsom. If the Giants instead of Harbaugh hired Joe Brady, are you more excited for this offense? I'm still not. I'm more excited. I'm more excited. What about Mr. Fansky? What about Mr. Fansky? No. This is not a good roster. Yeah. And the body is a thing for like none of these guys. Yeah. Yeah. Like the guys that they brought in weren't guys that you had to go shove Joe Shane into a locker to go get. Like true. I like Isaiah likely. I actually think that in a lot of ways him being able to break out as a tight end one is a good look for him. But God, I look at what else he's playing around. And I don't know if this is the best situation for him. And if I'm a league neighbors, man, like there's nobody on this roster that is going to draw any gravity away from me. So it's going to be a lot of cover two and quarters every week in me having to fight through two sets of eyes and two sets of hands to get my targets. Commanders. I have weirdest case. Jaden Daniels plays as well as Geno Smith with the Raiders last year. Fully healthy for 17 games. Fans and media consensus completely fall off and it's an RG3 situation all over again, not with the entries. But why I presented his weirdest case and I'll start with you, Deontay, and I know we got to go quick. But I presented his weirdest case because I think everyone is buying Jaden Daniels this year. I think everyone's like, yeah, it should be better this year. Do you do great? I kind of do. I don't know the degree to which it's going to impact winning because I just don't think he's surrounded by a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball where I like my best case, my best case with the commander really doesn't have much to do with the offense outside of Jaden Daniels being healthy. I think it's more so, my focus is more so on Deontay Jones being kind of the first big branch off the Brian Flores tree. That's a big hit, right? like he's able to bring in that very attacking style of defense with all the money and draft resources spent to kind of fix his front seven, which has been getting bold over basically every year the Dan Quinn has been there and actually getting some guys in who can help and the right kind of scheme and they're able to, I guess be a six and 11, seven and 10 team that plays good defense and has an exciting young quarterback. I'm not really thinking about the playoffs at all with this team until they address the other side of the ball though. - I'm not so sure we're gonna get a true bounce back season for Daniels just because we have a new offense a coordinator and I think Cliff did a lot of good things for him for highlighting the strengths and kind of mitigating his weaknesses and kind of similar to the conversation we had about Jalen Hertz whether he's gonna fit in David Blouse offense. So it's a wait and see situation for me. I think he's a talented quarterback but I think we saw more accuracy problems last year than we probably expected after his first year. So I think the worst case scenario for them is that there's a awkward relationship between him and the new offensive coordinator and then Dan Quinn's defense does what Dan Quinn's defenses have done for the last decade. - Always do. - I do think it's a wait. I think the roster construction I think I would imagine how ownership is looking at this team in 2026 is that the offense is in wait and see mode. We don't know what David Blouse is at all. We still need better weapons than fucking Traylon Berks to forget Daniels to ever be a super bowl caliber threat. Defensively I think this roster was built like Dan Quinn's coaching for his job 'cause they added like nine new starters. Tim Settle, Odafe OA, Leo Shenall, Sony Styles, Sony Styles, sorry. Caleb on Chase on Nick Cross, Amik Robertson, and many of you is gonna get snaps. At Keller Witherspoon I bet get snaps. They signed so many guys and I think so much of it was like Dan knows that if this defense sucks, he's done. - And those are Dan Quinn guys. - Those are Dan Quinn guys, right? You brought up Doronte, I think it's, sorry. Yeah, Doronte Jones but like Dan is dying with this defense if it dies. And I think that when I saw how much they were attacking and freeing, see on defense it's like holy shit, I think he's got the call. Like that, you need to make a play. Okay. Deontay started his best case for Cowboys. - The Christian Parker is what we've been hearing that he's been since he was a Denver and he has an elite defensive play caller and at that in combination with another high level year from Dak Prescott gets this team I guess past the division around, right? Like I don't want to be silly here and say that they're just automatically gonna be an NXT championship level team but I think that the roster with the coaching at its best can get you to the division around and at least get you a shot maybe to make the final four in the tournament. - The Cowboys are confidently, I'm happy you said that 'cause they're like for me, like I'm confidently my favorite team in this division and I think my favorite bad to win the NFC. I like the Cowboys a lot offensively with how much they're returning. I think their offense wine is fantastic and I think Shot and Heimer proved a lot of people last year. What was the quote from Jerry Jones? The same Brian Shot and I were anymore. He's the head coach of the Cowboys. Just like that. I felt like we made fun of him but Shot Heimer kind of cooked and then DC side, like did Jerry Jones win the Mike and Parsons straight? - It's a little too early to say that. - It's a little too early but I think it's something we could be writing in December. - Can I give you a stat? - I feel like they have so much room to grow on defense that even a Christian parker is just average. I think they're gonna be so much better team. They were 32nd and explosive plays allowed last year based on rate. If you just take out the explosive passes and you just focus on their runs, the explosive runs they came up and explosive run on 11% of the runs they defended. - That's the last thing. - That alone, like you add in passes, explosive passes for all other 31 teams. They still would rank below average. So if you could only run the football against the Cowboys, they would still have a below average explosive play allowed rate. - It can't get worse than that. Adding Caleb Downs, I think the D winners trade with San Francisco was a steal. I think winners are a great starter at linebacker. I'm excited for the Cowboys in 2026, 2027. All right, take a break. Fantasy South quickly, and then we're blitzing out of here. I wanna start with the Falcons. I think that I had weirdest case, whatever season they're actually about to have. Because I feel like this season is gonna be a shit show of awkwardness. Everyone's talked about the two of Tunga Veloa versus Michael Penex thing. I think both will play this year, either due to injury or someone not playing well. And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Ruiz. Their styles of play are like diametrically opposed. Like I don't think that they fit in the same styles of offense. - Oh yeah, that makes sense. - At least from an aggression standpoint. And that to me, I feel like, is why I feel like I think Penex wins this job. And it's something that there are more, Stephansky's more excited about. And then like if they do get to this worst case scenario or Penex has another injury, like two of playing is not gonna be a fit for this offense. He was a barely fit for the last offense he was in. Like, I don't know. I think this is gonna be a weird bad season for Atlanta despite all the talent. - The common denominator between the two is they don't create out of structure. And then like you said, they're like polar opposites. So I feel like it will be easy to go back and forth just to fancy. He's like, oh, two, it didn't make this throw. And then oh, Penex missed this throw 'cause he's not accurate. And like, but I think the worst case scenario is two of wins the job. And then he's like kind of good. He's like, not good where like, oh yeah, we're getting to build around him but he's good enough where fans are like, maybe we should bring him back next year. And then you're like kicking the can down the road and replacing the quarterback. That's worst case scenario. And I think it's possible just because the offensive pieces are good and I think the fans is a good coach. - Best case scenario is that none of it matters. Man, they're gonna go nine and eight win this division. - Yeah. - That's really it. It's gonna be, it's gonna be very weird. It's going to be extremely awkward. We're going to see both quarterbacks. It might see three, right? If it's not, neither they're two guys that are involved in this competition are, you know, beacons of health, you know, throughout an NFL season. And it's just not gonna matter. They're going to fall backwards 'cause they've got enough defensive talent. And enough playmaking talent around their quarterback situation to be able to squeeze out, you know, and above 500 season. - Yeah, you're probably right. Saints, are we buying the, the, the shuck, are you have a shuck song? - Are we shuck boys? - Are we shuck boys? - Are you guys mother shuckers? Are you guys shuckin' it up next year? Or is there a sophomore slump? Dianne, tell you, kickers. - Are we shuckles? Are you shuckling? - What? - Shuckles? - But cuckles. - Are we shuckles? - Oh, Jesus. Dianne, best case scenario for me is that, you know, Tyler Shuck takes another step forward. I think that adding someone like Jordan Tyson, who hopefully stays healthy, allows him to access more explosive passes, right? I think that might be the one thing from this offense that kind of left me wanting a bit is, Shuck actually showed that he was a little bit more proficient in the pocket than maybe I thought he was on first impression, but they really weren't pushing a ball down with the older whole bunch. And maybe, you know, you get killing more year two, you can't call them a young quarterback, but second year quarterback gets more comfortable with the scheme, understands where the chances are that he can take. They added some speed to soft season. He's able to push the ball down, feel it more. I wouldn't imagine them winning the NFC assault, because that would be the only pathway to make the playoffs for them. But I think they can hang around seven or eight wins again. - Yeah, I think Shuck was better than I expected it last year, but there still are some red flags that are hard to get over, downfield the accuracy is one of them, but that could have been a sample size thing. And then evading pressure, like he had one of the higher pressure to saturates. And that interior line has a chance to be bad, like if Eric McCoy's injuries continue. I think that interior line's gonna be bad. I think there's tackles or solid, but be struggles to deal with that interior pressure. I think that can bring down the whole offense. And the defense will be good again though. - I worry a little bit with injuries at receiver, Tyson, the first round pick out of Arizona State, obviously that was one of the knocks on him coming out. And then Chris a lot of his battled injuries. It feels like he's getting in like a car accident on the field every single week. He gets hit so hard. I feel like I think it would be shocking to see him play 20 games on route to a deep playoff run or something like that. Defensively, I wanted to raise this. I know we're on time, but like real quick, odds Deonte that Brandon Staley has this defense like top 10 in the league. Is there any chance of Staley kind of getting back on track and grabbing the reins a little bit? - I think there's a legit shot. Some of the stuff they were doing last year wasn't Mickey Mouse bullshit. They just played sound defense and got a decent, a better pastrush than I expected out of their front four. I think that it is possible that Staley maybe never touches, you know, never gets to touch what it was in 2020 in Los Angeles. But I do think that he might just be in above average if it's a play caller. And if you continue to add talent around them that'll make it happen. And this is the talent that he never had in Los Angeles. - That's exciting. - All right, Panthers. Important news going into the Carolina thing. And obviously you're our resident Panthers fan. I think there's like eight total in the world. Ruiz, one of them. - Like a half a one to you. - All pound, all of them pounding together. - Yeah, the news is Taylor Moton will miss the start of the season. I think it was like blood clots. - Yeah. - That's their left tackle or no, right tackle. - Right tackle. - And then Iki Aquano former first round pick who would be slated to start at left tackle. I think it's still going through an injury. What I wrote down is they have Rashid Walker who they got for one year, 10 minutes who's been a four year starter at left tackle for the Packers. And then they have Monroe Freeling, the Georgia off at the tackle. Like for a team that's going into the season without their two top tackles, Steven. Maybe the best backup plan ever with Rashid Walker and Monroe Freeling. Like that would normally I think cripple some, I mean, the Saints, you just mentioned like, to least full logga and blanking on his name now. - Thanks. - No, thanks. Like those guys go down, this team is done. Like Carolina, surprisingly kind of prepared for, maybe not having Moton or Iki to start the season. I'm overall like liking a bet on them, maybe plus two 40 plus two 50 to make the playoffs. I think that like the Panther stink is so loud that we really want, I mean, sometimes rooting against them and just think they're always a bad team. But I don't know, I feel like there's some pieces here that I like. - No, I think they're going to be fine. Like my floor, my absolute floor for them is five wins, which I think is an improvement over the last couple of years. But I think my concerns about the defense and all the additions in the off season, if they don't move the needle significantly and this is a bad defense again, 'cause I think people have high hopes 'cause there is talent on paper. And then the offense, I think, is going to be fine. Like I think it's going to be within the-- same ranges last year, but that could be worst case scenario if they do somehow win this division again in the division stinks, and then you still haven't had any answers on Bryce Young and you kind of have to pay them next off season. I think that's worst case scenario for them. I think best case scenario is obviously Bryce Young takes a step forward and they can build around him, but I don't think Bryce Young falls flat on his face and they get a clear answer and they can move on and start to look for their next quarterback as a bad outcome either. Yeah, I think I think best case scenario is just that Bryce Young is good enough to get them back into the playoffs. I think the good thing for them is that they actually don't have their backs against the wall the same way that some of these other teams that kind of have these quarterbacks who are in between are coming towards the end of their contracts. All right, I don't think that we've seen any play from Bryce Young that would merit him going in and asking for more than, I guess, what Sam Donald got on this past deal in Seattle, right? And if you're telling me you're paying 100 million over three years or whatever the number was, I think that you can live with that. If that's your starting quarterback, assuming that they want to keep Bryce Young. And if not, I actually think the team is very well situated. If it wanted to, to be able to make a pivot and go see if you can go spend on getting another veteran in to kind of play behind this run first and improving defense type of approach that they've had with Dave Canales. He was actually the 98th best player in the league last year, according to players. I think he's very much. I think some of that too, I guess, from what I've heard, it sounds like Bryce is like a gamer. It sounds like he's that guy that you feel like you want on your team, even though he's shorter and maybe what some of the code for not a very good football player. I've heard like a lot about like off the field. He does a lot of the little things right, not in a corny way, but in a smart leadership kind of way. And like, I mean, this guy's been through as much adversity as anybody in the world. Like his, his, his struggles, definitely not the world, excuse me. But just thinking back to his rookie season, they trade up for the no more overall pick or like, or they, they, they, they don't go on stroud. He looks like the shortest person that's ever played the position, looks like shit, gets benched and he don't gets in a car accident. So he gets this chance to play again. And now like, he's the only reason he's playing this position is because of that accident. Like, I think he was trying to give up on him. Like the fact that he was literally giving up on and now where he is now, I do think it's like, I was averaging 170 yards per game. Maybe not the most adversity in the world goodness. Let's pull back on that last team. Tampa Bay box. PFF underscore Zach Robinson leads Baker Mayfield to an MVP season. I feel like best case, worst case and weird case are all weird. Honestly, like I, I don't know what to do with the bucks. When I was mentioning teams that are genuinely stuck in purgatory right now, the bucks feel like example number one for me because I don't think there's anything they can do to make themselves contenders. And I actually think they just, they have actually stuck themselves with just enough depth above average and above average quality play across the board and they're too deep that they won't bottom out and be some three and 14 surprise, you know, surprise that team. That's case scenario is that they just look something closer to what they were two, three years ago when you could kind of book them to just dominate the NFC South because they do have depth and quality talent that the rest of the teams in the division just can't match up with. They go into the playoffs as an 11 to 16 in our cannon fodder for, you know, the Seahawks or Rams, but they can tell themselves that they had another successful season and you get to extend Baker Mayfield hopefully for something less than like 52, 53 million a year, which feels like long odds now. Yeah, the problem with the extension is like Baker Mayfield wants a longer contract. I think they're, they would pay him 60 million a year, but I think he wants it over a long term and they don't want to give it to him. And rightfully so because this guy gets hurt and his style, like he needs to play that style to get the most out of him. He led the league in scramble in PA last year. He's not a math changer as a quarterback despite how much of a Maverick he plays like. Yeah, and that's the problem. It's an odd match. It's an automatic between style of playing actual production and impact on the field. Yeah, but my worst case scenario is a repeat of last year in that you get those high highs low lows, but you haven't taken a meaningful step forward as a team. I think a best case scenario, and I view like how they approach the offseason a little kind of similar to Washington and that you have a defensive mind head coach that knows that the defense needs to be better. And they added a ton of bodies, right? Maybe not starters, but bodies in fraency. They also spent their first round pick and second round pick on the defense side of the ball. Guys that could be starters, Josiah Trotter at linebacker and then Ruben Bain, who a lot of people I felt like thought was a steal at the position that they got him in. But like, yeah. Best cases, bowls is as good as like the top six to eight defense corner. Like he needs to have a big season because when you look at the offensive play colors that have left under his tenure, Liam Cohen, arguably one of the most coveted offensive player play calls in the league now, Dave Canalis, who's like making it look like Bryce Young didn't suffer so much adversity. And then, and then like, I mean, if Zach Robinson, like say this offense looks good and like everything's kind of clicking, it's like, if Zach Robinson makes this offense look good, he's going to be hired for a frickin head coaching job. And like next year, like the bowls conundrum of like, and it's not even necessarily his fault, but like having to hire a new offensive play collar essentially every year. I mean, it's like an unwinnable place unless as a defensive play collar, which I don't think this is where bowls has been, who are on the cutting edge, like Mike McDonald, like Jesse Mentor, et cetera. I think that there's, you know, Aaron Glenn is probably the most likely first coach fired in the NFL this year. But I mean, bowls, if this defense stinks, I don't know. I think I think that's another name I'm thinking about. And if you're the Bucks, like I would, it would make sense to like, maybe we get rid of bowls and we let Robinson do the interim thing and then maybe we hire him if it looks good. And if it looks good, and if it doesn't, we're, we're hopefully maybe look, yeah, maybe they're looking at quarterback who knows. Thanks to my guys, Deonte Lee, Steven Ruiz. This has been Austin Gale. 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