Sarah Sherman

Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We are very excited about our guest today. It is Sarah Sherman. Sarah is a current cast member on Saturday Night Live and we could consider her vet. She has just finished her fifth season. And I just want to file this one under not safe for work or for kids because we do get into some fun and down and dirty topics like well SNL, duh and psychoanalysis and Long Island and her insane wildly original new special Sarah squirm live and in the flesh on HBO. So listen for Sarah, but but before we start, right, we always like to talk to somebody who knows our guest, who who has spent time with them and who can speak well and give us a question. And we're going to talk today to Mitra Juhari. Mitra is an amazing actress writer, producer. You may know her from episodes of the Bayer from the show she created three busy debras. She's a writer on Big Mouth and she's just incredible talent came up with Sarah, her good friend. We're going to check in with Mitra who is on her lunch break and get a question from her. So hi, Mitra, let's get to see you. This episode of Good Hang is presented by Paul Molliv family time isn't just the big moments. It's weeknight dinners sitting around the table. Everyone talking at once. So when the plates are empty and the sink is full, use Paul Molliv ultra. Paul Molliv's most powerful formula removes up to 99.9% of grease, leaving your dishes sparkling clean and the new convenient pump makes cleaning even easier. So you can spend less time tackling dirty dishes and more time together. Shop now at PaulMolliv.com. She's on the set. Mitra is on the set. Mitra, where are we talking to you from? Netflix. A lot of people don't know. Netflix has beautiful offices really, really. They give you a free hanger. So you can hang anything on that. You can hang anything on that as long as it's not pants because the hanger is broken. I hear giggles in the back. It was in there. On top of Mitra being incredibly talented, she's also like a real deal activist boots on the ground person. And I was thinking about during COVID when you when you zoomed with my sons to talk to them about the LA unhoused situation and what they could do about it. It was me. They were so cute and sweet. I love talking to them. They were so thoughtful and had such good questions and were really making me laugh. Remember that when we were all just like in that COVID bubble of just like, I guess we, I guess, well, this is how we'll learn now. I was living with Patty and we were making some of the most fucked up cocktails imaginable, actively drinking and being like, this is disgusting. And finishing them. Patty Harrison, another hilarious comedian and actor. Okay. We've got Sarah coming in today. That's why I'm sad. Another reason why I'm sad. I'm not there. I want to be seeing her. I have so many questions for Sarah. Did you watch her special? Yes. I have questions for her too. Her nasty ass. Her nasty ass. Special. You have known Sarah for a very long time. When did you two first meet? 2015. And our mutual friend, Drennan, who knew her from Chicago, she was coming out to New York to do shows. And she guessed it on this show called Holy Fuck that I was a part of. And he was like, there's this freak coming named Sarah Sherman. And I think you guys would really like each other. And then we like hit it off immediately. And we went on a tour with this great comedian writer named Jamie Loftus called the Sarah Mutrin Jamie or ugly tour. And just like she eventually wrote an appeared butt naked on Deborah. So we worked on a show together three busy devras on adult swim that you wrote and produced and you were the star of along with other devras. Sandy and Alyssa. That's right. And Sarah was a writer on there, which is where I first heard her. And I and I was introduced to her as Sarah Squirm, which is the name she was going by at the time, which I remember thinking at the time it was unusual that a comic actor had like what felt like almost like a rock star name. Yes. Which and it makes so much sense because like she came up in these great music venues and like it was like I feel like every time I would come to Chicago and do shows with her at the hideout, it was always like with these really interesting bands that I would like I've never heard of would never have heard of and then she's like such a true fan of like live music and worked in radio and like just brings all of that. So like makes sense to me that this like person who's working in these DIY spaces, both like music and stand up and art would have this sort of like rocker character persona. Totally. My questions today for her are really like when did that person start when does that person come out because you know Sarah really well and I've gotten to know her from getting to work with her and her persona and her personality are like a like but also very different. Yeah. She's like I feel like it makes so much sense that she landed in Chicago because she does have this like warmth and like I don't know familiarity with people that feels very midwestern to me even though she's not from there but like she's just very cozy people for very comfortable with her. Which you wouldn't expect from someone who's like material is kind of exclusive about like her flapping labia. Exactly like for people that are learning about Sarah here. Like her stuff on SNL is you know in the structure of SNL but Sarah's material is like super scatological. She calls it body horror. It's like a ton of like dysmorphia on dysmorphia shocking shocking shocking stuff. And I want to ask here like the cutaways to her audience during the special I'm like who is this audience? I have the same exact stuff. So many men so many men laughing and being like ritually humiliated at the same time is amazing perverts. Got my favorite word my favorite word. Would you say Sarah's your first pervert guest? Oh absolutely not. No but I love a pervert. I don't like a creep. There's a difference. Big time. And it's a fine line. I mean you know and it's very it happens don't get me wrong. I'm not saying but rarely are women creeps but they can definitely be perverts. But if you're perverted man you have a high creep susceptibility obviously. You got to be really careful. You got to be. But a fun pervert I mean they kind of feel almost you know that's it's another thing that I want to talk to Sarah about is like the way she is a fun pervert and then turns on her audience and yells at them for liking it. It's so real. Well because it's like it's such a relief to have someone obviously in such a heightened way but like talk about all these all these things that like I also am like horrified by in my own body where I'm like why does it do that? Why is there hair there? What is that substance? Having someone put words to it and and show it in like such a nat it like it is so heightened but it's also like how I feel looking at like these parts of me and she it like she she really brings it to the life in a way that is like actually very inviting I feel where it's like I'm disgusting. Aren't you disgusting? We're all disgusting. No you're the disgusting one. Perfect way to sum it up. In watching her stuff I'm like on on the surface level it's kind of like grotesque almost performance art stuff but then underneath it is like this idea of claiming the stuff that gets thrown at us all the time anyway just kind of claiming it and like doubling down on it. Yes. The horrors of being a woman and having a body. So I always ask people to give my guest a question. What do you think Sarah would want to talk about? Answer smaller big any story you want to prompt your to tell or anything you don't know about her yet. Okay I wrote it on a few. You're at least such a writer. I really overthought it. Why don't we get the room? Let's get the room in here and let's just keep pitching. Yeah I got together about 30,000 of my favorite writers to put together a few questions for Sarah. Okay I wanted to force her to talk about her child musical theater career because she was really she has so many stories about like Liberty she took with the characters and she was given. Amazing. Thank you. That's great. - Okay, I had two like bigger questions. If you had a zillion dollars to make any disgusting, practical creation, what would it be? - Whoa, great question. We might have to ask all these questions. These are good. - And then what is your biggest bomb and what's your favorite show that you've done? So it's like a, you know, best and worse. 'Cause I feel like Sarah's had some like really high highs and some really low notes, so I think either of those, I would be really excited to hear about. - Great question. - And then if there's time, where do she stand on the real housewives of Rhode Island? (laughing) You know, if you're on it, if you're like hitting a wall conversationally. - Okay, perfect. I can't wait to ask her these questions. Really good questions, Mietra. - Thanks for talking to us on your lunch break. - I loved every second. - Okay, bye. - Bye. - Thanks, Mietra. Thanks so much. - Bye. - Bye, honey. - This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking your pockets before putting clothes in the washer? Ooh, enjoy your freshly cleaned and completely destroyed earbuds. Yeah, checking first is a good plan. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary. Subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate North American insurance company and affiliates. Northbrook, Illinois. - Woohoo, woohoo. - And this is the food wall. I should've, oh, I'm gonna kill my, I should've brought a little food for the wall. - It's okay, you don't need to bring it. I don't want that to be- - I don't want to bring food for the wall. - I didn't want it to people to feel like they needed to bring. - No, I could not brag. I could've contributed to this. - Oh my, I can only imagine what you would've contributed to this. - It's so amazing. - I actually, before we start, I wore these in on behalf of you because I feel like you would like and I wore cheeseburger sneakers. - That should be on the food wall. - I will put one on the wall. - What is, let me- - It's a cheeseburger sneaker. - It's all skills. - It's all skills. And I feel like I'm not gonna lift my foot up 'cause I don't want any perverts. Seeing our feet for screenshots would sell for that. I'm on it, yep. - And I'm wearing ice cream. - All right, ice cream. - Okay, okay. - I feel good now, okay. I'm not stressed. I was stressed that I didn't bring food, but I came as- - You came as food. - I came as food. - Sarah Sherman is here. - Do you feel weird now that you're wearing one shoe? - It's such a good question. Let me take that in. Yeah, I'm gonna take the other shoe off. - Yeah, all right. - But now perverts are gonna know that I'm barefoot all the time. - Can you see the feet? - No. - God, I would never let anyone see my feet. - Have you seen- - Are you free? - No. - No. - Honey, for free? - Well, I look like. Take me out to dinner first. Hello. Take me out to have plastic dinner first. - Have you seen your wiki feet? - Yeah. - And what are we talking about? - I'm happy about it. - Okay. - I feel like with body parts, no one knows this more than you. Like you have to, some of you make peace with some of you feel neutral about, some of you have big thoughts about, I like my feet. - I look. - How about you? - I got anxious recently. Well, as you know on the show, we have to wear many different shoes, many different hats, many different shoes, many different ways. I'm always put in sort of, I think everyone's been doing a practical joke on me by putting me in these big heels. To the point where one of the writers, Aasha Ward showed, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. She puts like in the stage direction, like Sarah exits, like, tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt tt Like, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, tt, t - I asked for it. - I don't know if I should look this up. In my head, one of my toes is just the bones are loose but inside of the toe sack. - Well, I have a whole thing about, you know, like your feet, but your feet, now we're really giving it for the pervs who love feet, but your feet, your feet health are very important. Like now 'cause I'm getting to the age where I'm starting to read, like-- - Barely 21. (laughs) - You're getting to the age of barely 21, you know. - Barely 21, you know. - That, what needs to stay healthy for you to like survive? - It's the next feet. - And feet is a big one. Like meaning you gotta be able to take care of your feet, have good balance. Do you have good balance? Can you balance on one leg? - I'm saying this, like so coccally, I feel like yeah. - Yeah, right on, you did it. And I don't have, I'm gonna say something great. Again, this is more feet thing. I have a huge arch. - That's very, so do I. - It's crazy. - And it's good to have it. - Okay. - Because not only does it make your feet look nice when you want to eventually sell your feet picks. - Of course. - Which we're all gonna be there. - I have tried actually and I have failed. - Okay, we're gonna get into that. Sarah Sherman is here. She is our first SNL current SNL cast from the show. - Oh my God. - What if I had all the scoop? Do I have all the scoop? - Well you're a vet. - Like how many years have you been on the show? - Jump farm. - Hi. - But you just wrapped SNL. You have a comedy special out. It's incredible. I cannot wait to talk about it. It's insane. - It's quite insane. - It's quite insane. Right now you were in that like schools out summertime. Like you just finished your last show last week. How are you feeling? How do your energy level were yet? - I feel like I had so when you hosted this season. - That was in the very beginning, right? - And not to suck your butt, but everybody goes, "Who's your favorite host?" I go, "Everyone goes apolar." Like immediately. - That's such a butt sound. - I had a lot of questions for you. I was like, "What?" - I feel like every, it's so funny. As a cast member, you have such an experience. And then when you're a host, you have the experience, which is like you just wish you could immediately do it again. - Yes. - Immediately. And I was just saying to someone, my favorite times are always the in-between times. - Interesting. - I love the joking around between scenes. - Yes. - I like the beginning of the week. - Yes. - The show is like the event, but I tend to remember and like the like weird middle times. And I have such a fond memory of me, you and Boen, and I know, sitting on a couch and really getting to know you in a way that I don't think I had in a fast amount of time. - Yes. - Laughing non-stop. - I know in a lot of giggles. - A lot of people laughing. - Thank you for saying that. Okay, so I was your favorite host, Craig. - I appreciate that. - And my favorite, like I wish people saw the table read. Like that is when I am laughing. I'm like, and that was my favorite part of your week because, listen, okay, I'm gonna, the butt sucking is gonna commence. - You, I'm usually doing that. - Okay, go. Well, this is okay. - I'm gonna try to receive. - You, like, obviously, you're good at SNL. Like, obviously, but seeing, you know, how many sketches are at table read like 40. You have a different funny thing. You are doing, like, fun new character voices for every sketch out of the 40. And it's, like, how many of those are cold reads? And you were just, like, to, like, the doll with the eye. - Oh, yeah, that was good. - That sketch. Seth wrote that. - Laughing. - He submitted a sketch for you, so he didn't do it. - I try to watch so that I can organically laugh if I'm not in a sketch. I try not to read those sketches ahead of time. - Oh, interesting. Okay, yeah. - So you watch the whole table read, like, - But that's very generous of you because you're actually providing an audience which people don't usually do. Like, they, you know, everyone's in their own, world of those readers, and everyone's tired, and everyone's, like, waiting for their stuff to get on. And so the fact that you could even do that means that you're, like, trying to actually stay present, like, your generous person. - And, like, I think it's also a second bug right back here. - Exactly. - Well, take it. Well, human centipede ourselves. - Oh, my gosh. - I don't remember this. - I mean, come on. That's a good trilogy. - That's three. - I cannot believe that movie was made. - The movies. There's three. - Oh, you know, there's three. - There are three. - Okay. - Do you need me to talk about the differences between them? - And there's some reason, because I am so a gas at that movie, I get it constantly on my TikTok. - Is it having our surgeons? - Yeah, there's, like, a lot of clips about, or, like, I just keep watching. - Right. - Because I'm horrified by, okay, sorry. I digress. - You are making it happen. I'm gonna use your podcast platform to do something. - Tom Sixx. - No. - If you are into a human centipede, - No. - Do not. - Hello. - We do not need a human centipede for us. - No. - I will show. - She won't. - She will not. - I will not allow her. - Absolutely not. - Black and white. - No, no, no, no. - Absolutely not. We don't need it. - Not now. - We did it. - We did it. - It's most important to cinema. - It's fucking disgusting. - And Tom, you are a freak. - Okay. But you're on your summer break. - Yeah. - So you, like, what do you do for your summer? - What do you do? - I'm experiencing with something this summer. - I don't understand how anyone can do anything while less than all is happening. - Right. - I feel like, are you doing this? - No. - I can't. Well, I even said, 'cause we're all consuming. - I was all consuming. - When Ivan said to you, 'cause you did work, birth. And it was about you being, the sketch, when you hosted about you being pregnant, giving birth to work. - Right. - And I was like, hey, so this actually was your life. - Yeah. - The fact that you were pregnant there. I can't even work there, like, if my contact is too dry. - I don't know what your life is. And if you ever want to carry a child. The pregnancy is wild and funny and fun because you are completely different body and your body stuff. And you scare a lot of people. people by walking around and it scares me. Yeah, it's scary. And I'm like, what do you mean they're moving my organs around inside me? They have to stay where they are. So sci-fi that there's a body inside of you. They're never alone. I can't even imagine like my body can't even take being at the job regular. Not that pregnant isn't regular. New normal. New normal. Hey, I like to watch it. But like if I have like a bad burrito and I'm like bloated, I'm like, I can't, I can't. Wow, this is like what I mean is like the idea of like everyone knowing when someone has a stomach ache, that's new. That is new. That's new. You know what I don't like? And I'm gonna all say, I'll stand on my two feet, buckle my shoe and say, I don't like it. It's like hot girls with IBS. It's like, I'm not proud of the diarrhea that I have every single day chronically. And we're about seven minutes in. We've got to diarrhea. Yeah, I was hoping we would-- Oh, so morning. I just think that like more and more, there's an acceptance that everyone has a different way to work within the system. Yeah. And I would say that you being on the show is also I think another example of like how the show has smartly remember that it is a variety show with a million different voices and different styles. And so there just was I think a little bit more. It was just like a more homogenous. Same way to do it. Same people writing it, same people on it. And it just keeps changing. I actually think about this a lot because I'm like, this is not even to say itself deprecatingly. So that would an accent. I don't think I would have gotten on the show during your era, because-- Yeah, no, that's not controversial. But I would have-- I would like to be a more talented sketch performer. OK, let's find myself to be quite limited. OK, do you know what I'm saying? OK, let's look at stars. I was born when I was born. OK, Sarah Sherman, let's go back. We're going back. We're going back to Long Island. Well, we're going back 18 years. Well, I'm 18 now. Just turn 18. OK, carry that one. Negative two. So you're in Long Island as a little. Yeah, as little as a little. Your mom is a public school teacher? Yeah. So was mine. Oh. And your dad runs a children's clothing company, Fasten. I mean, like, of course, you love clothes. Of course, you dress-- I know, but I'm like addicted. OK, when he is his fault. Yeah, so he has like a, he's like a garmento. Yeah, he is like old school Jewish schmachta business. So it's like everyone saw on Cut Gems was like the diamond district. In Manhattan, it's all those Jewish guys running around. Two blocks over is the garment district. And schmachta is Yiddish for rags. So it's like all the same kind of Jewish guys running around with clothes. Right. Long Island seems like it has produced some really complicated, interesting characters. Well, I saw on Cut Gems. And I go, huh, that's about my dad. Just the vibe, right? So I stalked the writer. And I was like, you wrote a movie about my dad. And he goes, well, this is actually quite interesting, because I'm from your neighborhood. I went to a high school, near your high school, and my dad is in schmachta. So yeah, I did. Whoa. I know. Long Island. OK. What is fifth grade Sarah look like? So annoying. I was like, because I was like the clothes thing. Like my dad was in schmachta. I grew up around clothes. So like I was addicted to the nanny, golden girls. And like my big thing, when in middle school, when I started doing middle school plays, this orange who ran the costume department, would let me kind of read the costume closet. OK, this makes sense. And we're into that. Yeah. We always speak to people who know our guests really well. We get a question from them. And we talk to Mitra. Oh, yeah. So Mitra gave us a treat she's the best. What did you do, girl? She gave us a couple really good questions. Oh, OK. To out this interview, I'm going to pepper them in. OK. Of course, Mitra, good girl, giving us so many good questions. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure the list is long. And this misoranger reminds me of one of those questions, which is you did a lot of musical theater as a kid. And you took liberty with some parts. And Mitra, you know what you have done. Mitra knows what she has done. OK, she's helping out her friend. I just, let me explain myself. I've just found myself here. I always wanted to be a comedian, like, grew up watching it. Why do you think? Funny family? Funny family. OK, yeah. Really, funny family, funny dad, funny, like, you know, love expression was like mean, bullying, funny, was addicted to cons, like Seinfeld, SNL, brothers and sisters, younger brother, also funny. But I was kind of like a bully, but it was funny. So, you know, that's when bullies were funny. I know what you're right. And I had a big science room skeleton in my room. My parents were always like, why'd you end up like this? You know what I'm all-- And I'm like, you got me a giant science room skeleton when I was like, no, my brother was like three on April-- I loved April Fool's Day, because I also felt like the comedian's day to shine. It's like, clowns Christmas. It's like three. And I put this giant life-size science room skeleton in his bed and he woke up crying. You know, right. So it's like stuff like that. I loved April. My mom, it's when it was on April Fool's Day. What? What was the theme? Did you have a theme? It was April Fool's Day. And the invitation was snakes in a can that I hand-delivered to everyone's house. You learn so much about people, and they talk about their bar and bodies, but you really do. Like, I barely do. Just in here, and his was like, I like-- he was running-- he was like running for president, or whatever. He learned so much about what their hopes and dreams are, OK? Snakes in a can, and creed oceans on every sea. And like, you know, you're on-- and by Mitzvah, you're on the beema, the stage at the synagogue. I had a wrapped audience of like 80-year-old bald Jewish guys. I was going off. That was my first, like, crushed of my Mitzvah. Oh, my God. Do you remember any of your Mitzvah? Of course I do. Of course it's like-- because it was my first-- I've been-- what is it, chasing the dragon or whatever? Ever since. Like, the high was-- I went to a very conservative synagogue. And it's like, the service is like eight hours intense, Hebrew. I didn't know what word I was saying. And they go like, and now the sisterhood of the temple would like to present you with your gift. And like, these two conservative women came up with candle sticks. They go, great, just what I always wanted. And I'm always in the front going, and then not to brag. It was kind of like the talk of the town for like a second. I bet. It was kind of like-- everyone was like, oh, it was a kid. Great. Well, it was always like, turning to a camera. There's no love there. OK, so what liberties did you take as a musical theater kid? What-- how did you interpret the part? I'm sure you're so evil. Is this a non-PC story? So I just wanted to be a comedian, and I wanted to be a former. So it's like, I would do any play. Like, I would do-- like, I couldn't sing or dance, but I do the musicals because I just wanted to do it. And I could never get a part because I wasn't good. But I was like, in with the costume closet, Miss Orange would let me-- like, I got addicted to like 80s little like sequined jackets, because like, grandma yet on the nanny would wear them. And it was orange, let me keep the jackets. I know. The one that looked exactly like grandma yet a sequined jacket. And so she let me kind of-- I didn't have a part. I was in the chorus and into the woods, which was behind a screen. You were in the woods. I was in the woods in silhouette. Sure. So I was just basically a little outline. But I was in the costume closet. I found a red and black lace gown with a firm handmuff. Oh, yeah. And I went to the director, and I said, so this is my costume. I am the-- my character is the Russian Zarina. And so I'm just-- I didn't really think I even knew what that was. I didn't have words, and I didn't have an accent, nothing. And so in the play bill, it would be like all the leads listed. And then like the chorus, a whole list of all the faceless people behind the scrim. And then Sarah Sherman will be playing the Russian Zarina. That's incredible. You created a new disorder. But it's such a-- I mean, that is the thing about you, Sarah. And we'll get to it with us now. But there is an innate confidence about you. And I say that because I want you to know to me, that's what distinguishes people on us now right away. Whether the content doesn't matter. It's like, are we worried about you when we're watching you? I'm never worried about you. Anytime you're ever performing. And it's not like cocky, because you're super self-deprecating all the time. You're very honest. You're very-- your feelings are right up front and center. But there is a confidence that I feel like you just were born with. This idea of grabbing things and wanting them. I think I am so used to bombing. Yeah. It sounds like I crushed my first time at bat. I'm so-- it's like everything that are every bad thing that could happen to me on stage has already happened, kind of things. So it's like, I don't even know if it's like confidence. It's like, I'm a fucking crush this shit right now. It's like, what, what more could happen? I bought the Madison Square Garden. What would happen? - But ambivalence is confidence too. - Yeah, sure. - It is like this idea of like, I'm just gonna float a little bit, and this is a little dissociation too. Like, I'm gonna float above this moment so that you're gonna have to come find me. I'm not gonna like be like, like me, like me, like me. - Right. - That's the difference. But you went to Northwestern. - Yeah. - And oh, this is what I find so interesting when you talk about like, I wanna have more experience in sketching and improv. You try out for like the sketch group, don't get in. - Yeah. (laughs) - Which was like, I was, as I'm saying. - That's devastating. - And I had tried to stand up, like I dabbled a little bit when I was like 16, like I, like going to, doing an open mic at like a barbecue restaurant 'cause you know, couldn't do a bar yet. Like, I dabbled a little, but that was my first big, like, you know, all I wanted to do was be a comedian. And when someone was like, my peers were like, no. I was like, can you me? - Yeah. - And so I'm full of, I could be motivated by spite. - But then you started comedy show in Chicago called "Heldtrap Nightmare." - Yeah. - How would you describe that show? - Um. Like the first two, I'd like to be rolled to eyes. - I think you're rolled up. - 'Cause like, how did I even speak into it? - Like, this is the first show, this is my friend's basement. We were, of course. It was, Chicago has like an amazing DIY electronic noise crazy performance art comedy scene. And like, you know, there was like comedy, like there's all this improv in Chicago and whatever, but it's like the funniest people to me were these like freaks. - Yeah. - So like my friend Mike Sugarman was performing as under this noise moniker Shug. And the first "Heldtrap Nightmare," night, night meant at a stroke. The first "Heldtrap Nightmare" was in my friend's basement. The poster was like a woman's face was see through and you could see her teeth and brains. - Sure. - 'Cause I was like, you know, that's the trigger warning. - Yeah. - And you know, I hosted, I did like 10 bad minutes of standup and then my friend Shug came out in a trench coat in a wig, sunglasses, flashed everyone and he had Trizzo taped to his dick and was, you know, smashing light bulbs, but that was music of course. - Yeah. - And I think I did a, I don't even know what the, these bits were like, it was like, it was a stretch to call it comedy. Like, - Well, it was like performance art, right? - Yeah. - But with, like, the intent was to be funny, but when I chugged a can of room temperature clam chowder, I think the joke was literally like, oh, he's like a woman who's a tall drink of water, I'm a tall can of clam chowder and then chugged the whole thing and everyone's like, cool. (laughing) Okay. - You know, we don't need to look back on our bits and explain them. They were just like moments. - Or what they were moments babe, you were experimenting. - Of course. - But you were like, I mean, I think it's one of the things that you've brought to the show. Like, just your aesthetic, not only outside, but like, your influences, like, you are very, very interested in all types of media and art. - I am. - We talk about it in your special like, like, Paula Poundstone fucked SpongeBob. You also talk about, like, - Like, it really makes sense, by the way, and gave birth to what? (laughing) So, what did I just say, stuff? And I'm like, that's going in. (laughing) - But also, Ren and Stimpy and like, Pee Wee. - Yeah. - And you're like, what kind of stuff or when you think about all that stuff that jammed in your head, when you were younger, what jammed, what got in there? - I think, like, I always, I loved doing art and making stuff. And I also loved performing comedy. And for some reason, I didn't know that you could do both at the same time, like when I had started. So it was like, 2015, like, you know, there's not like, the internet and the way it is now. Like, I didn't realize I could blend art. Like, I was doing all the posters for my show. Like, 'cause it's like, it was very, you know, raunchy, blue, like, horrific comedy. So I'd make the posters be, like, lungs with nipples on it and be like, you know what the show's gonna be, whatever. - Right. (laughing) - The letters are like a tampon with poop on it, sorry. - I wasn't that creative. But I was like, oh, that was like a trigger for me with this awesome, my mom, by the way, to my special taping wore my old Hellchop Nightmare shirt, which was a uterus with ovary eyeballs. And the severed finger shoved up into the end of smiling, like, open gashed vagina with like a butt all. Would you guys do insert picture here? (laughing) - I'm hungry. - Tara, how does your, what do your parents think? - They're like, how do they, it is so intense. - It's intense. - It's intense. - And, and I don't mean to be misogynistic because like, if it's a man, they get a different pass. But like, your stuff, no, as a parent, because your parents love you and they love that, they love the work, how did they like, do they invite their friends to your show? - Yes. - They, they're down. It is, it's literally like Paul Schrader hardcore. The, no I don't, I don't turn it off. When he has to watch his daughter doing porn, it is that. But, no, turn it off. But, they love it. - They love it. - They are really supportive and I do think I have to say it. I think that's like what the confidence is a little. - Okay, I, I think that that's true. I, I didn't want to say it, but like, I'm learning about like, loving parents privilege. Like, if you have parents who are like, you're great, you, that really creates a scaffolding for the rest of your life. Obviously, when you try things where you're like, well, I guess my parents will still love me. - No, I, there, there's not a threat of losing my family. - Yeah. - And like, maybe this is TMI, but I did a bit, I've done a lot of like updates where I'm in a big animal costume, and that is Lauren's idea. - Yeah. - Because I think I'm like, he's like, "What am I gonna do with her?" She's crazy, she's like a wild animal. Oh, I'll just make her be a wild animal. I don't think people know that he pitches bit. Like, he was like, you're gonna play a squirrel. I'm like, okay, okay, whatever you want. You're my boss, okay, boss. - He said like, after I did, I think a squirrel or some fucking animal. He said, "When you did that, "I could tell you were loved as a child." And I was like, oh. (laughing) - Clocked? - Clocked. - He has very, oh yeah. - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah. - I remember the thing, like, oh yeah. - Yeah, he, he, as the kids would say, he can read you really fast. - Oh, fulfill. - Forbelfth. - fulfill. (clapping) (clapping) - Okay, so you have this way of performing. And then you audition for SNL first, when you're really young. Don't get in. What was that like? - Well, like, was it a real audition? We did, like, did you go into the studio? - No. - Okay. - It was, um, Sharna Halpern from I/O, shout out. - Shout out, Sharna. - I was talking about Sharna for one second. Sharna Halpern ran in Prevalimpic, a theater in Chicago now called I/O, 'cause the Olympics sued and made them change their name. - The Olympics. - The Olympics. That's right. And Sharna was the, was the, the director who, in my case, just like, put me on an improv team said, "Hey, there's a woman named Tina, "you're gonna really like her." You guys, Sharna, Sharna arranged that marriage. And Sharna was in charge of so many of us and like, launched so many careers. - Oh my God, I didn't know that. - So Halpern, Sharna got you in front of the, Sharna, Sharna, she's always had an eye. - She knows. - That's great, because I would, I just wanted to do comedy. I couldn't get into the fucking college thing. And so I was like, "Oh, I'll go do it in Chicago." Stuffed stuff in Chicago. And I was like kind of a bad fit. And I'm like not, again, I feel self-conscious about my limited range. It's like you kind of need a little bit of range for improv. And I was kind of not a good fit there. And I would also wear like, they would be like, I have to get talking to. It's like, "Hey, you're wearing a big shirt "with the brain on it." And I'm distracting. I'm like, "Aerr, aerr." I was like, "A kind of a bad fit there." But she was like, "You're gonna do that." So now audition. And at that time, I was like, I was 22 and I was like, "That's a bad idea." 'Cause I was doing these strings with the trees opiness, whatever. And I was like, "I just seen it." And she was like, "You're gonna do that." She's like, "You're gonna be great." Like if you need help with it. And I was like, "Well, everyone tells you, "I didn't know anything." And then everyone's like, "Oh, you're five minutes." It has to be like characters and impressions or whatever. So I did that and it was obviously terrible. Like it was just like, I was trying to do what I thought the assignment was. And I bombed really badly. I wore like my, I remember when I wore. I wore, I know, this is, we're actually finding out I'm a close addict. All my memories are marked by like my outfit. - Well, I would say that you like work from the outside in. - Yeah, I do. - Yeah, so actually this is a problem at SNL. - All right, well now it's time, now for season six, inside out. From the inside out. - I've been showing it's really hard to see you just in a, I would love to see you in a neutral dress, a slip dress, hair natural, no makeup. - Yes. - Leaves flowing. - Hello, children. - You're a home marksly, big recurring character. You're a home marksly. "Okay, I think I can sort of write that down to amazing." But this is Warren's big thing with me. He's like, just let's just yeah, get it to and I'm like, for sidewalk. >> Okay, it's okay, it's okay, don't beat yourself up. I mean, it's a lot to ask. >> It's a lot, it's hard. >> It's hard, it's hard to show any, especially when you're, it's like playing with, it's like practicing with your back hand, like you're really, before he gets really strong and you're like, I can score. And someone's like, now hit it with your back hand and you're like, now? >> I know, season 3. >> What's going on? >> Yeah, I think I was trying. >> Yes, okay, I tried, like Ashley Padilla started two years ago and I'm like, oh my god, like character. And like every character she has is like an internal world. And like the jokes come kind of easy to her because she has like inside, she knows what the character wants. And there's like, there's a motivation there. And I feel like I've been doing it all wrong for like six fucking years. Because I'm like, what if the wig is weird? And then you have to come like writing the joke because it's so much harder because you're like forcing it from the other way around. It's outside in, so it's a little harder. >> I'm going to say something right now. I think you're not afraid of the failure. I think you're afraid of the success because I actually think you can do it. I actually think you are a good actor and you can't do it. You're afraid of being successful at it. So like, I want to cast me and not afraid of being an actor. I am free. People say that thing where they're like, oh my god, you're a stand-up. That's so brave. I'm like, it's cowardice. It is true. Yes, it is true cowardice. Like I, you know, so many things even in my special are like people are like, oh my god, you're like loose and riffing. That's all written down. You think I would riff during my age male comedy? No, I have a pre-planet. I'm like, I'm going to find someone in the crowd wearing glasses. I go, why do you wear glasses to the show so you can wear your pre-besson? Sorry, Ron. That's okay. We'll add it in here. Here we go. Don't take it. Show my failure. I actually have a vulnerable stand-up. My god, you should make your own bluper rep vulnerable bluper reel. Showing my own pits with, hang on. Why do you wear glasses to the show so you could see my pre-pubescent body bed and you forever go, oh, you think I thought of that on the spot? Oh, I wrote it down eight years ago and I've been saying it every day since sucks. I feel like once you get the confidence of knowing that you're not getting fired from the show, basically like, which is true. Like you're at that point. Congrats, baby, you're at that point. I was crazy this season a little bit. Well, you might get fired from something you say, for sure. But not for lack of like, we don't need you. But yes, you might get fired, yeah, of course. I'd be saying it. HR did want me to talk to you. Yeah, I'm sorry for what I did and who I touched. I have to say, like, what I find so impressive about you is you have managed to maintain yourself, your POV and your sense of what you think is funny. Yeah. And you worked within the system. IE, like you coming at Colin and update is a perfect example where you're like, okay, I'm going to use this structure. I'm going to hit Colin, who's like the ultimate like alpha strain white punching bag, successful punching bag. And he can handle it. Yes. And why it's so satisfying to watch? Because to me, it also, and you do this a lot in your comedy, especially in your, in your special, where you like play around with what I like to call like the millennial threat, like this idea that like someone's going to get something wrong. Yes. But people are very scared to screw up. Yes. And I have. Of course, we all have. Yes. But you are like pressuring the powers that be that they might fuck up. Right. It's very exhilarating to watch because obviously it's also talking about, like cancer rules are like misogyny and like patriarchy and all that stuff, but it's not, it's just funny. Right. And it's like as mean as I'd be to Colin calling him a pedophile, whatever, whatever. I really mean to myself. Yeah. So, it's, you know, but even that, it's like I got lucky on the show because he would, I joined the show as a complete act. I was shocked that I was there. All my friends, like the inside joke was like, okay, Sarah's going to show up as a waiter and seeing lots of water, man, and they got fired. You know, that was the big joke with my friends who are apparently like love me and are nice to me. But so I was like, so I was happy to be there. Yeah. And I wasn't expecting anything to happen. Like I was writing sketches, but I didn't really know. I didn't even have final draft until midnight on writing night. Like I didn't know about any of this. And then, um, so I wasn't getting any sketches on the show, but I didn't really care. But then Colin was like, why don't you come on update and do like your, yourself? And I didn't even know that you could do that. There is some version of getting known on the show. But it doesn't stamp you forever, but like where people see you as a person with the face. But I wouldn't have done that if he didn't say so because it felt like presumptuous or something. Like I really was there to be like a good sport and just do whatever the job was. Okay, but I just want to gently say to you that you should just take credit for that success. Because even though it wasn't your original idea, perhaps we all know that we're collaborating, working together, but you have to deliver one other thing I'm going to ask you about, and then we'll jump off of SNL. But let's talk about Louie Zakarian. What is there to say? Louie runs the makeup department and he is incredible. It's crazy. Like let's talk about him for a second and what he's made for you. What has he? He does prosthetics and makeup takes time. Yeah. And I think I've seen people describe the SNL makeup experience as a pit crew. There's like eight people putting on a bald cap at once. I've moderated Comic Con panels for him. Where it's like it'll be a guy in a Grogu suit or whatever being like, "Sir, what's your fastest bald cap application?" And he goes two minutes and you hear the crowd go, "Yeah, you see like every X-Men character in like a blue-maker group." They should make a TV show like the pit. Yes, and they should make it in the makeup room of Louie's room, because the way that they like in the pit, the way they like save people by like stabbing them in the heart and like, like that's how Louie has to do makeup. Yeah, he's ripping a bird beak off and putting googly eyes on my eyes. He's get out there. But by the way, he's having so much fun. Like, he never says no. He's having so much fun. He films the whole thing and it's like, we could have like 45 seconds to get me looking from Jessica Robert into like Ms. Grinch or whatever. And he still is like, one selfie. And it's like hilarious. He like gets off on the thrill of it. He like, my favorite, we did a thing where it was like, it was supposed to look like me and Michael B. Jordan got stuck on a roller coaster and it like, our blue are like hair and mouth open. And I was like, I was like, can you make it look like I have a speculum in my mouth, like blowing my mouth out, but you don't see any plat. Like it just has to look like it's naturally like that. And he doesn't say no. Right. Well, that's what emergency room doctor is like, we'll see what we can do. Yeah, I'm going to let the baby die. I think so. Yes, the same takes for a comedy show. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. And that's if there's any takeaway, it's that what you do is as important as people that work in the one being their pots and pans for me. This is another meter question. If you had unlimited funds and you could make any disgusting creation. What would it be? I don't know if I want to ask you this question. Yeah, maybe let's say on SNL. So we have to say that it passes. Like you have it like, because because there have been. That is it. This is another reason why I working outside in. I love that. Taking that and I write my book about that. So you have fun with your book. I'm taking outside it. It's like it's such it can be such a hindrance because like me and Dan Bullah had like this idea for like maybe a sketch that's like at like a facial spa or something. And when they take our sheet masks off, it just pulls the whole front of our face off. And for years, I mean, Louis have been like, wow, we're going to do that. Because like when I first started the show, I was in like one sketch every six and a half months. So like, but now it's like maybe maybe I'll be playing Trump right before hands. Who knows James? I'm coming for breakfast nachos. So it's like if I had unlimited funds, it would be like I would be able to do something like that really fast with like, I just want to take my whole face off some. Why do you want to? I don't know. It's really weird and it's not normal. It is. Like when you say that, my brain pictures it. I'm like, Sarah, you just made your life so much harder. But I know I'm, but if that is just it also is like there is a there's such an incredible performance art artist like like you have a Cindy Sherman by you have a like you have a growth. You have a like a lot of a dance with the grotesque that's super interesting. And it's always like what level is like gross like what does what grosses you? Does anything gross you out the other day? Literally. I like you know how people like chew on their like sleeves or like what what fabric on my teeth? Like I got grazed on on the train on the tooth with my own sleeve and it like gave you a chill. That's like my nails on a chalkboard is like stuff like that. Okay, but any kind of like your face peeling off your down. All good. All good. All good. And then my last question in that SNL space is because we all have them. What does your SNL stress streams look like? Oh, I actually wrote a sketch about this. Okay, incredible. It is. Oh my god. I wish I could remember the sketch because it was like, you know, when you say it all night, you're like, I'm getting a Nobel Peace Prize, but I just wrote classic sketch, classic sketch. Yeah, they always win the Nobel Peace Prize. Yeah. I'm like, if I read it, I wrote it two years ago, I'm sure if I read it today, I'd be like, what? You know what I mean when you're like, yes, my stress stream is always writing night. Okay. And it's always I get to, I'm at writing night. And I'm the clock says it's like midnight or one in the morning, and I don't have anything yet. And I'm going from room to room with like my tin can being like, leave with me. And everyone's like, no, I'm already busy. I already have my thing for the week. And I'm going door to door down the hallway. And the hallway gets longer. Okay, Christopher Nolan, don't steal the tunnel. I don't see too. I don't see too. The human centipede. Don't tempt me with a good time, maybe fall. And the hallway just gets longer and longer. And I'm like, does anyone want to write with me? And that's like that's what I'm the most anxious about all the time. It's like bombing on live TV is one thing, bombing, trying to get someone to write a sketch with you is a fate worse than death. I have one more stress stream. That was my first year. Okay. Which was there's a prop toilet on the floor of eight H. This I have this dream two times. There's a prop toilet on the floor of eight H. I know it's not hooked up to any pipes. I know it's a prop. And I shit in it anyway. And everybody's looking at me like the last shot and murder on the Orient Express. There's like a shot where they're like all looking down at this dead body. And you see the view of the dead body looking back at everyone. And I see everyone looking at me going the toilet song. Sometimes I mean, why did you do that? I'm going, I know I have no idea what happened. And my young and dream analyst at the time said that when you poop in a dream, grouse. It's it's like you're putting work out there. And you're embarrassed. I were totally. Yeah. And also do you have a young and dream analyst? Do you do a lot of therapy? I do many times a week. Oh, fun. Doesn't seem to be working online or in purse. I'm on them. You're on the couch. I'm lying down on the couch. And the whole time. Well, I'm doing like analysis. I'm called I'm doing and now. That's old school. Yeah. And just, I just noticed recently because I don't look at my therapist. And sometimes I'll be like, yeah, male or female therapist. Of course it's a man. It's not fixed. It's a man. It's not working. A woman would fix it. Because I said something and I heard his laugh behind me and I went, if we're not even there. Yeah. And I was like, stop. I don't know why. That was so, I immediately, I was like, I'd never looked at you. I was like, oh my. Get it together. You're making me think about like my stress dreams for SNL. We're less about like, will you guys, you know, like, where can I get in here and write with people or like, oh no, my, my, the shit in my toilet, you guys don't like, which is your work, your workers. But mine was disappointing. Mine was about disappointing like powerful figures. It's a very gen XC stress dream. So mine was always mine was always about, I would often have it, which is I'd hear Jenna Rossitano as we talked about the great AD calling me and I would realize, oh my god, I'm not on stage. Like I, I'm missing my, my, my cue. Yeah. And I had it more than once where I'd be running down from 98. And I'd pass everybody whose opinion I cared about. And they look at you. And they would go like this. At like, and it was everyone you could imagine. It was people from my past. It was people working on the show. It was always of course. And everyone was just like, wow, like, you really let us down. It's like, Amy Polar, you are late for hot dog bar mitzvah. Where is your prosthetic butt? Your funny wig. It's so crazy. What gives us literal, anxiety trauma is like you running to go do like, yes, for butt and the hot dog hospital. And more going, you're a disappointment to your father. And like, wait, I got to go be a captain and crash them. He was like, oh, so stupid. So stupid. So stupid. Okay. And the last question that made sure I wanted me to ask you, you had so many good ones, was like the, and you're talking, you've talked about it a little bit, but like the biggest bomb and the best and the favorite show you've ever done, because we talk about you must have bombed big time. And I'm kind of fascinated about your time opening with Adam Sandler, who talk about what a, like terrific, lovely person and like nicest person probably to be around and open for, but the audience might not have been that ready for you. He is so good way to say it. Thank you. I'll take it away from here. Okay. Actually, it is. Okay. Butt sucking initiation. A computer enhanced butt sucking right now. You and Adam, and there have been other cat like Fred, you guys are so menchie that it's like, I'm thinking of people who have, like, how could anyone do SNL without the menches? Like, I have Adam being like, you're doing great, kid. Like, I would have born my brains out from here to the western sea board. If I didn't have him being like, you got it, dude. Yeah. He's so, every time you see him, how's your mother? How's your father? How's Hanukkah? What's going on? I love you. How are you? So menchie. And like, opening for him, I have bombed a lot because people have paid good money to do there. They have hired babysitters. They drove all the way from Hackensack. They are six drinks in. They are there to see Adam Sandler. Not Long Island Presents, Sarah Sherman, something they don't know who's sweating up there. They have paid good money to see the wedding singer. Well, honestly, when I was watching your special, I was fascinated by the audience because I was like, this audience. So your special Sarah Squirm live in the flesh, live and in the flesh, live plus in the flesh. Yeah. That was a big, that was a big thing. Live plus, live plus in the flesh. And I, and first of all, why is it Sarah Squirm? That was how I, like when I was doing these basement shows with the tree zone stuff. It was just like the poster was like, you know, a wrote written in guts. It was like a kit. Also, I was like, perform with bands like Piss, Piss, Piss, Mone, Mone, Mone, Rest in Peace, Alejandro. He has passed. This crazy thing to say. But like, I was like, so I was like, I don't want to just be like Anne Sarah. And then they're Sarah. So like, I was kind of like, yeah, it was like, it was like your punk persona. It was like, it was like x-ray specs or like Alice Cooper or something. Yeah. And I like, it's very music. It's very music, very music. But that's like the show, that's what like, it was the shows that I was doing because I was like, I just, you know, it was, it was the vibe. Yeah. And did you get pressure to, like did people say it should be Sarah Sherman? So then when I got, so, so like I audition for when I audition for SNL doing, you know, they, or no, I was doing, I was just performing Sarah's score with the time. And I wasn't really like thinking about it. And then when I got, so that, that's on all my SNL paperwork is just they found me at a show as Sarah's quorum. So that's still on my paper. You've never been paid. I've never been paid. I don't want that. Yeah. My alter ego works there. Point to another ghost over here. And Lauren, when I got the job, Lauren called me and was like, you know, they're like, oh, Sarah, like Lauren's calling you. And I was like, oh, and he's like, we think squirm is a little distracting. And I go, say no more. And you know who like that? Your parents. Yeah. Oh, my mom is still to say it's like people will be like, hi, Mrs. Scorman. She's like, no, yet, don't call me that. Yeah. They want to hear Sherman. Yeah. And so when I was doing the special, like, not, you know, people don't know me from standup really. Cause I know the tickets sales show. It's burned. Whoa. They're like, you know, everyone's like, it should be like Sarah Sherman, live in in the flesh. But I'm like, but that's not the character. Yeah. I get it. And it really helps set like the table. Like you said, like you set the table really fast. In fact, the table is set. It's set because it's got the full length. It starts. The special starts with something I've never seen in a couple, which is like, it's like, there's like a warning of graphic violence. There's a warning of graphic like there's so many warnings. There is. And you also start with John Waters. I know. Which is the ultimate trigger warning. Yes. You're, you're so right. If he's like, what I kind of put a stamp on. You know that like there's going to be so much poop talked about for sure and also just like he's like this that I mean he's What does he mean to you John Waters? How did you get him how do you see you wrote him a letter I wrote him a letter that was like I drew like Everything what what's so helpful with visual art or like all this it's like you can provide your own trigger warning always so I wrote Like for the posters for helltrap. It's like there's a but all that's bleeding with an eyeball like you know what you're getting it. Oh my god Enough enough So I wrote a letter and there was like intestines all over it and I was like do you want to like you know There's this you want to play the stage manager my stand-up special and I was like your scene partner will be this and then I drew a little picture of me as like The bones and guts on the floor and I'm like this is you're gonna be talking to and then I put my number at the bottom of the letter And I was like if you're interested call me or whatever and then I was gonna end of therapy on a particularly Devastating read of a day. I had just bought a loaf of sourdough bread and I was literally walking down my block ripping off pieces of bread and eating it like an animal or a raccoon good job. Lauren you do And I got a call from an unknown number Baltimore area code he's there. It's John Watters. I'll see you on set What yeah, and I said to my producers because I had written the stage manager character. What a way to say it. I'll see you on No, I was like that's an old-school fun way to say it. I see you on set And I was like do you want me to is there anything you want to say like you know He's like I'm not writing it you wrote it. I'm saying what you wrote and I go that's professional. Yeah, yeah He doesn't have punch up. He's like I'll be I've been he had about like a two-hour door to door right like he was like He was being hilarious and he was pitching jokes. Yeah, he could have said I guess what they made it in. Yeah You want some vizene because my eyeballs out. That was the John Watters original riff. Yeah It's like I'm the luckiest girl in the world. That's a crazy thing. I keep going back to us now, but you're bringing it out of me girl I if I didn't have SML I would be a random crazy person, but I want to say something. I don't find you crazy I don't think you're crazy That's why you're interesting because if you were truly detached in like in a way and not to name names But like others sometimes like performers who are kind of in your millia or vibe are Then it's hard then it's kind of hard to attach sure it is hard like it's like okay They're in their own like creative world, but like yeah, I don't know. We're just gonna kind of watch it from afar But you you aren't so it's interesting. It's very interesting Because you're a command of what you're doing in a way that's right there is but I'm like without a S&L Would I have been able to do this crazy comedy special? Yeah, there's like a clay butt that shits out of those Would john waters have agreed? Like I don't know. Thank God and for people that have listened all the way to the end I mean it there is a clay but that happens right in the beginning. You don't like it turn it off. Yeah Speaking of comedy as we end what do you who are you listening to laughing because you know you do comedy all day for a job who? What do you watch? Yes to laugh like what is your check out like is it a video? Is it a are you watching all movies? Are you like what what's making you laugh most recently always real housewives? The last question. Meet your head for you is are you enjoying real housewives for Rhode Island? Listeners Sarah's just like she's just she's a gas at the obvious. Yes. Did you grow up watching soaps? Yeah, I want you to know hospital, which was my favorite show a lot of time. What are you on a show? I begged to be on general hospital, so I could bring my mom and we met son who current those and subbed for days Yeah, okay. I just talked to Paula Pell who also loves soaps and has not been on one and I feel like Paul should definitely be I think I like are you kidding and I was like no. Who did you plan this out? Hey woman? Russian yeah, the Russians are in the Russians are you know, um, I Love talking about what makes me laugh. I was watching home movies the other day hysterical laughing like Of your family. No, I wish actually that would be nicer with the cartoon. Oh Yeah, yeah, okay. I don't know home. It's fucking funny and it's very crude animation My kid's brother's I have yeah, it's so funny. Okay, dying laughing. Oh, we've got our we've got some friends in there like H. Sean Benjamin. Okay. Got it. So it's laughing and it's Animated to come created by Brendan Small and Laura Bushard made Bob's burgers. God. It got it got it. Oh laughing So are you a big animation girl? No, you're not no because I bet people are like you're like animation Like you look like a cartoon. You fucking bug. I bitch Sarah Hello Sarah my friend Sarah bad The pattern myself, but you're not a cut, but you're not a cartoon person. No, I cuz they think like it They can't emote or anything like I love Red and Stimpy. I'm not like laughing out loud. Yeah, so I don't know why You're loving it. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Get in my ass. And then that's really funny. I just did Do you know Hollywood handbook the podcast? I love Hollywood handbook. I was okay I shout out to Hollywood handbook. Those guys are hysterical. I saw them recently in a restaurant and asked if I could be on their pod and I Were like no, they're like we're booked and also I watch you on Hollywood handbook and that bit went on forever So it was 45 minutes. Yeah, it's just one long bit just one long fat joke and it Sorry, it was so I love a bit that goes on that long I love it and they were like acting like they hated it All right, they say like Sean will say one. I can't like I was laughing like a baby last like I was going like Laughing so hard sweating through my pants sweating through my hat my pants. I know I think there's some delight and it's kind of it I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna bring us back. Mm-hmm. There is some kind of delight that you have that I share Which is if you get to be around like like minded and safe people and you guys are like Playing like and going like just on the corner and edges of things But it's with people that are like not just like nice people that you like basically. There's no greater joy Because it feels like you're actually like I guess I imagine it would be like Entering dangerous terrain with people who are really skilled that will take care of you That's the closest I mean, we're not actually just relaxed That the side I love that too. I love I love a family that teases each other. Oh, I love that to me is a sign of intimacy Yeah, and it's a sign of safety if you're with it obviously has to be the right people the way but like when that happens It feels like like a special kind of magic. Yeah, and like yeah, we're making fat jokes. Is that amazing? No, but it's it's safe You can like be a little scary when it's like safe. Yes. Oh, you're so right Well, congratulations on being a vet Was that an abrupt goodbye? What should we do? I'm gonna put my shoe back on Oh, I forgot Can you believe that I've had my shoes off the entire time? How did it feel? Did you feel grounded? It didn't feel bad I don't mind it like it didn't feel I didn't yeah, I don't even like was I grounding during that time like Did you or were the whole time you were talking to me were you like are you a shoes off person in your house? The people I like my shoes on and I like Frankenstein boots all day. Yeah, I'm not even wearing them right now So you think I'm a fucking liar. I'm wearing little cuties though, but let's not show them for free Yeah, that's not for free. Oh, man. I pay for that. Yeah, that's correct A lot because we're on TV. Yeah, and then it's gonna do your job So we're gonna the only thing robots don't have human feet And when they show them they have an extra toe and that's kind of interesting And if you were listening to the very beginning Sarah has a weird condition where our big toe is just to sack a bones, right? So if that's your kink Then you got to go to her toe channel And if you were only listening to the end of this podcast weird, why didn't you listen to the beginning? Do you just like scrub and if that's your kink? Then we're not kink shaming you but you might want to think about listening a podcast entire way through Because it also might be satisfying or I like to kink shame. I think it's weird when people like stuff. That's weird All right Sarah, thank you for doing this. Thank you for coming Thank you so much Sarah Squirm Sarah Sherman Um, it was so fun to um talk to you and you're so fast and funny and um Yeah, what did the light and um You know Sarah and I talked about a lot of people that we've had the pleasure to work with But I just want to give a little shout out again to a woman in my life who really shaped my career And I know a lot of people in Chicago could say the same and that is Sharna Halpern Sharna was the creator and the person who started a theater called I/O in Chicago with Del Close. And Sharna was just one of those people that if she saw something in you she put you in front of important people and she put you on stage and in my case she changed my life. So thank you Sharna for helping me meet most of the people who I still work with today. And for those of you that are in Chicago, go see improv and go see it in any city, support it today and every day and support the arts. Okay, thanks, bye! You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman and me Amy Poler. The show is produced by the Ringer and PaperKite. For the Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelaine, Kaya McMullen, and Alia Zanaris. For PaperKite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weissberman. Original music by Amy Miles.