Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spane, where we're saging the space after sharing our thoughts about Trump's call with the US men's hockey team. If you know, you know, but if you don't, check out yesterday's episode or my socials. Just watch out for the CNX Tuesday and piggy comments undoubtedly dotted throughout my mentions. It's Thursday, February 26th, and on today's show, you'll hear from a pair of Team USA athletes we chatted with in Italy. I stands for Madison Chalk and Speed Skater, Aaron Jackson. Chalk talks about the change in training that got her and her husband Evan Bates to their fourth Olympics, how she navigates the Olympic letdown, and who gets even more nervous for her performances than she does. Then Jackson discusses the pressure of being a defending champion, how unforgiving her sport can be, becoming friends with pain and whether or not she's got socks on under those skates. Plus, the P.W.H.L. gets the Olympic bump, a Paralympic boycott, and we're literally going to the cottage and you can too. It's all coming up right after this. This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which one's the winner. Yep, that's me. Clevver Taylor IV. We might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clevver Show. This is a place for raw, unfills or conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clevver Show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more behind the scenes, follow @ Clevver and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. And for the look back at the podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex Egrish. Each episode, we pick you here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite artists. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. The video was a wild, I mean, it was a wild, wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to Look Back Added on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it was good, y'all. You're listening to Learn The Heart Way with your favorite therapists and host care games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit of armor? It signals to the world that you're not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. You're going to learn the hard way on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My mother-in-law spent years sabotaging our relationship until Karma made her pay for it. Alright, so if you'd tell me about how we started this story. She moved in for two weeks, lasted five days, left a mess, and then pressed her ear against their bedroom door and burst in screaming. When kicked out to a hotel, she called her son-in-law's workplace, pretending his partner had been rushed to the hospital by ambulance. She picked a medical emergency! And spoiler, that was just the beginning. To find out how it ends, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back, Slases. Here's what you need to know today. Let's start with hockey. After a pause for the Olympics, the P.W.H.L. is back, baby. The fourth place New York sirens take on the third place Montréal Victoir tonight at the Prudential Center in New Jersey. The sirens had six players competing at the games, including three silver medalists for Canada and one bronze medalist for Switzerland. The Victoir had nine players over in Italy, including five silver medal winning Canadians and one Olympic champ rep in the U.S. and Haley Scumura. No word yet on the game status for Canada captain, Marie-Flee Poulin, who gutted through injury in the gold medal game. Puck drops tonight at 7pm Eastern, you can watch on TSN or as always for free on YouTube. It's been about a month since the P.W.H.L. paused for the games, so here's a reminder of where teams stand about halfway through the season. Boston Fleet topped the standings with 10 wins, followed by the Minnesota Frost and Montréal Victoir. Then the New York sirens, Ottawa Charge and Vancouver Golden Eyes, with the Toronto sceptres and the Seattle Torrent rounding out the bottom. The New York Montréal game is the only one tonight, but we got more teams back on the ice throughout the weekend. And hopefully all the barns will be full for those contests. As according to our friends over at the gist, the Olympic bump is coming through. Following the gold medal game in Milan, Stubhub saw P.W.H.L. ticket searches jump almost 50% overnight above the January baseline. And 216% compared to during the Olympics. Find a game near you and get your tickets. We'll link to the takeover tour schedule in our notes as well, because even if you don't have a local team, you might have some P.W.H.L. action coming your way. To basketball, the fourth and final week of the 2026 AU Pro Basketball season got underway yesterday at Nashville Municipal Auditorium, with Odyssey Sims 322 points ahead of Rebecca Gardner for the points lead. In three of the first four seasons of AU Pro Basketball, the player who entered the final week of the season in the lead has gone on to win the league title. But five players are in striking distance of the top of the leaderboard. Week four games continue tonight, before the season finales on Sunday afternoon. The Veebs, where the six love Pro volleyball teams are making their way through week eight of the 13 week season. Tonight at 80s, during Love Nebraska, we'll visit Love Houston. We're recording this before Wednesday night's game between Salt Lake at Austin, but as of now, Salt Lake leads the standings with eight wins, followed by Houston with seven and Atlanta with five. Austin, Nebraska and Madison round out the bottom half of the rankings. Some more Veebs news. This week's Sports Event Company GS Sports announced the first annual Paradise Invitational of Fall volleyball tournament following the model of many of the early season women's basketball destination events. It'll be a four team NCAA women's volleyball showcase bringing together one elite program from each power for conference to compete at the Grand Hyatt Baha Mar in the Bahamas. The first iteration of the tournament will feature Houston, Kentucky, Purdue and SMU September 11 through 13th to the Paralympics, which officially get underway with the opening ceremony on March 6th. Ukrainian athletes will compete at the games, but team Ukraine officials will not be at the opening ceremony or any events. They've announced their boycotting after the International Paralympic Committee, which operates separately from the International Olympic Committee, announced that they would allow a handful of Russian and Belorussian athletes to compete under their flags. The decision is a marked departure from that of the IOC, who permitted a limited number of athletes from those two countries to compete at the Olympics, but as individual neutral athletes without national flag, colors or anthems. European Commissioner for Sport Glenn McCaliff said he would also not attend the Paralympics opening ceremony and called on others to quote, take the same stand. To the LA Olympics and an update on a story we mentioned in a previous show about athletes and artists departing the Wasserman Agency in the wake of founder Casey Wasserman's inclusion in the Epstein files. As the fallout continues, Wasserman has announced he's putting the talent agency in marketing firm up for sale. In a memo to staff he wrote in part quote, I have begun the process of selling the company an effort that is already underway. During this time, Mike Watts will assume day-to-day control. The business, while I devote my full attention to delivering Los Angeles and Olympic games in 2028, that is worthy of this outstanding city. End quote. Yes, the 2028 Olympic Games. Despite calls for Wasserman to step down as chairman of LA-28, his status was reaffirmed by a vote from the board. For a Dakota Smith story in the LA Times quote, so far the Olympics Committee has backed Wasserman, with allies saying he's a strong leader and prodigious fundraiser. His supporters say LA needs to keep him on the job in part because taxpayers are responsible for paying any cost overruns or budget shortfalls from the $7.1 billion games. End quote. Meantime LA Mayor Karen Bass is among those calling for him to step down, calling the board supportive him quote-unquote "unfortunate." We gotta take a quick break when we come back. Same surface, different skates. We'll talk to two of T-MUSA's best on ice next. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which one's second. Yep, that's me, Clipper Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right what you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the iHeard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more behind the scenes, follow @clifford and the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kiergames.
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Trust your girlfriends. - I'm Anasin Field. And in this new season of The Girlfriends. - Oh my God, this is the same man. - A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. - I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? - The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. - I said, oh hell no, I vowed I will be his last target. - He's gonna get what he deserves. - Listen to The Girlfriends, trust me babe. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. (upbeat music) - Joining us now, she's a four time Olympian, a two time golden, one time silver medal winning, ice dancer, she and her husband and skating partner Evan Bates took silver and ice dancing at these games and helped the US to team gold. She designs not only her own costumes, but the costumes of several of her opponents, a Redondo Beach native, Poodle Mom and artist, it's Madison Chak. Madison, so great to talk with you. You've been doing a whole lot of interviews and appearances since your competition ended. Have you gotten any sleep? Were gotten to go to any fancy dinners in Milan? - Actually, sleep has been decreasing for me since finishing our competition, but that's fine because the stress, the physical toll and mental toll has also decreased. So we've just really been enjoying our time getting recharged with family and friends. It had been a while since we really hung out with them and just enjoyed company 'cause we've been so locked in and focused on skating and getting to the Olympics and performing our best. - Yeah, two medals for you. You and your husband and partner haven't taken home gold and then pair silver. How are you feeling about your competition in this 2026 games? - We have honestly just had such a wonderful Olympic experience. It's a dream come true to bring home an Olympic medal let alone two. And we couldn't be prouder of how we performed and how we managed our energy throughout the week. We competed four times within six days, which is very rare for our sport. And it was a mental and physical marathon. One that we were excited to take on at the beginning of the season, knowing that we would have the opportunity to compete twice at the Olympics was incredible and one that we really wanted to take advantage of. - What was your reaction to hearing all the complaints about the judging that followed the pairs competition? - You know, we actually received so much support, so much love. I think more than we ever have any competition previously. And we were just so grateful to the people who supported us and sent us love. I think Evan and I are gonna go home feeling incredibly proud of what we have accomplished here in Milan. We put out four of our best performances. And I wouldn't change a single thing about how we prepared, how we performed. It's really the epitome of the Olympic dream is to go to the Olympics, be prepared mentally, physically, be at your very best and lay down the performance that you wanna have. And we got off the ice feeling like we had done exactly that. And it was just the best feeling in the world. - I'm so happy to hear that. That's my favorite thing. All the Olympics long is seeing people show up and do their best at that moment. And then you leave happy and satisfied. Even if the result isn't exactly what you wanted, you know that you put out the performance that you could be proud of. - Yes. - And you know, it's normal and I'm staying and figure skating in general to share a coach with your competitors. But it's kind of weird to those of us on the outside or those who have played other sort of average American sports. What's that dynamic like in training? But also in competitions when you know very well the team sitting next to you that passes you for gold. And you are presumably chatting with them as these complaints come in. - I think having that day to day competition right there builds so much mental toughness and perseverance. And it really just builds a lot of character as an athlete because you are on your A-game. You wanna optimize everything to your training on the ice and be maximizing your recovery, which is something that we have really stepped up our game in over the last eight years especially. So we're so happy to be just encouraging other people to take that step in their health because the pursuit of better health is ongoing. And that's why I'm so happy to partner with Lily because they also share that belief. And I think it's so important to really prioritize that when you're doing anything, whether it's pursuing sport or just enjoying time with your family and friends, you wanna optimize your health. And I think that's the number one most important thing you can do. - Yeah, you mentioned character too. It certainly teaches you something to be in a great relationship with the folks that you're competing against because then you can hold two things at once, which is your desire for yourself and your desire for the success of others, which can sometimes be difficult in highly competitive things. You know, you mentioned Lily, their milestones in the meaning program means that your Olympic achievements actually help expand healthcare access for communities. What does it mean to you that your performance isn't just about metals, isn't just about you and Evan pursuing something for yourselves, but something much bigger than I'm standing. - It is so phenomenal actually to just embrace and share with people what the milestones into meaning program has to offer. And to know that we have had an impact on that and will contribute in a positive way to helping other people pursue greater health is phenomenal. So I don't know how much you know about the program, but each metal that Team USA wins every single one. So both of mine and Evan's will contribute to that fund which goes to nonprofit organizations which promote health and well-being and just taking care of yourself, taking care of people. So these metals have a lasting impact over time that will affect people and ripple out and wellness into the community. - That's really cool. You know, speaking of wellness, your mom has been on a journey with breast cancer that you've supported her during. I think we've loved watching the videos of her and Evan's mom bonding during the competitions. What a funny duo. Who do you think is actually more nervous for competitions you and Evan or your moms? - Oh, our moms, 100% are more nervous during competition. There's no question. I have a love seeing the attention and the love that they're getting. I would say arguably they are more popular than we are because they had their own media tour. We were having a media day but they were also having their own media day and people were so excited to speak with them and talk to them and I just love that because our moms mean so much to us and have had such a huge impact on who we are as people, how we've grown as athletes and as people and they just have had the most lasting impact. And I think everything that we have had success in, we can attribute right back to our moms. - They're really special. We see a lot of those little packages about people's moms but those two could go on the road with that show. I mean, just really. - Oh, they should. - Absolutely. I mentioned your mom's rescues. I'm wondering how that experience shaped the way you think about resilience, caring for her, supporting for her. Both in life and in sport, how resilience changed for you as a result of her fight. - Well, in my life, my mom has been the true and lasting pillar of strength. She has faced challenges that I couldn't even begin to process or try to wrap my head around how she overcame those and to come out stronger on the other end is just a testament to her inner strength and her desire to live a healthy life and support the people around her while in turn being supported by the people around her. It is a community of wellness and one that we are happy to promote and share our experience.
So people don't feel so alone when they're going through something like that or something similar and Just be pillars of the wellness community. This is your fourth Olympics and I'm wondering how your approach has changed physically and mentally as you've gotten older to competitions like this. Since this is our fourth Olympics, like you said, our mindset has really shifted into prioritizing wellness and recovery while we know being physically strong and capable of executing our programs on ice is also equally as important. The mental aspect of things is really taking the driver's seat over the last, I would say, eight years, especially as you mature in sport and learn and grow about yourself. It's really important to prioritize your mental well-being because having the strength to complete a program or complete a race is one thing, but then having the mental fortitude to really know that you can do that and you're well taken care of, you're supported. That all adds confidence to your game and so we've really prioritized that surrounding ourselves with people who also share those values, our families, our friends, Lily, it's just been foundational to our our well-being and how we've achieved all of our goals and accomplishments in ice dance. There's just such incredible pressure on any figure skating event and I think all of the mental prep you can do might not still prepare you for the feeling of needing perfection in the one moment of the couple minutes that you're out on the ice and we saw that with Ilya Malin and how is it for you as part of the team to see that and to understand how he seemed so confident and so ready for the moment and how that can feel so different when the moment comes. Well, I think that can be a major trap that many athletes have fallen into if not all at a certain point or another it's. The pursuit of excellence instead of perfection you can you can never truly be perfect and pursuing perfection will ultimately be a downfall our pursuit of excellence and well-being has served as well and something that we have. Really learned in our journey as as athletes is. You want to be the best person you can be on and off the ice and you want to pursue excellence in all aspects of your life in order to. Help lift you up to achieve your goals and I think just focusing on becoming the best person best athlete you can be is really what gets you to the next stage in your development. Yeah, perfection is not a goal that anyone can reach so if we put it to. It can slow us down you know a lot of people talk about the Olympic letdown have you or have it ever felt that whether after great success or after disappointment and how have you handled it alone and together. Absolutely, I would say the Olympic letdown is real after every high there is a low and luckily we have each other to support one another and we have a wonderful team of people around us. We will be absolutely prioritizing our recovery as we come down from the Olympic Games whether that be leaning on each other for support leaning on the team around us but also continuing to take care of ourselves. Physically eating well continuing to exercise just to create some stability in our life as we transition through this this Olympic letdown. Speaking of transitioning after taking silver you said this might not be your last Olympics after all what are the things that you and Evan are discussing as your. Or maybe will discuss hopefully right now you're just enjoying yourselves but maybe will discuss in the coming months as you're deciding whether or not to continue competing what are some of the elements that you'll be talking about. I think we'll have a lot of reflective time over our career in the coming months just to see how we feel and what the next steps will be for us we have some skating tours coming up we are doing art on ice in Switzerland stars in ice Japan stars in ice US. Nice. I think we will never truly leave the ice because we are so passionate about skating and want to keep skating in our lives as much as possible and and give back to this getting community as they have given to us through our entire career. So whatever form that takes whether it may be another competition here there or really just re entering the competitive space to just to help athletes achieve and realize their goals. You and Evan do two of the things that are triggers for couples work together and travel together so what's the thing you fight about the most when you're traveling together. When we're traveling I would say what we honestly we get along quite well if we're not hungry and super tired. But traveling I think for me I get a little anxious when we travel just to be on time and security and everything and I think that comes from my parents both working in the airline industry and they're always warning me okay you have to be super early to the airport if there are any delays you need to make sure you're checking your flight send us your flight number so I just have this. slight anxiety about traveling where I'm like okay I have to be here at this exact time and here and here and do I have my passport or my ticket so I really take my traveling seriously and it is my probably one of my greatest fears is to just miss a flight just due to not being there on time. Well I imagine Evan chills you out on that and also stresses you out with his chill approach to everything. No it's great he is the Zen calm I need when traveling. Last question for you I know I mentioned earlier that you design the costumes for some of your fellow figure skaters you have your own line is that something you imagine being a full time thing if skating starts to not be as much of a focus is it something beyond even I'm dancing costumes that you'd like to design. Yeah I would love to love to do more costume design and I love helping people feel their best when they're on their ice and so whether that's through costume design or being a mentor and encouraging them to just be their best on and off the ice that would be. That would be the greatest the greatest accomplishment for me thanks so much for the time congrats on an incredible games and being just such a wonderful beautiful inspiration for a lot of people back home. Thank you so much it was lovely speaking with you. I love chatting with Madison and I loved seeing her compete live in Italy I'm telling you all figure skating hits so different in person. Right after I talked with Madison I hopped on the line with team USA Speed skater Aaron Jackson take a listen. Joining us now she's a speed skater the first black woman to win a winter Olympic gold medal in an individual sport in the first black American woman to medal in speed skating. A Florida native she took up speed skating in just 2016 and qualified for the 2018 Olympics with four months of on ice training by 2022 she won the gold medal in the 500 meters in Beijing. A team flag bearer for the US at these Milan Cortina Olympics it's Aaron Jackson thanks for joining us Aaron. Oh yeah I'm super excited thanks for having me. Let's talk about these games so you finished fifth in the 500 meter race the race in which you earned gold at the last games take us through the race and how it went for you. Yeah I went to the line feeling really ready to go really excited really confident just smiling and waving when they announced my name and then from the beginning I got off to a really good start it was the fastest 100 meter opener I've ever had by quite a bit actually so I was really really stoked on that. And then yeah I went through the first corner still feeling pretty good then my back stretch of the race. I was just I don't know not not my best skating for sure my feet were kind of getting away from me and then I had a bit of a stumble just kind of from the not great skating I was doing on the back stretch and then yeah from there just finishing the race as strongly as I could. And yeah the back stretch I think really cost me a podium placement because I finished just 0.05 seconds off the podiums that's 500 so a second. So our sports really we have some really really tight margins so you have so unforgiving. Yeah. You know afterwards you said you were disappointed with the little stumble that kept you off the podium. How do you tend to deal with disappointment in sport in general? Yeah I mean it's just it's part of it you know it's like I can't get what I want all the time I mean that would be amazing but yeah sometimes things like that happen. And I mean I'm sure there have been tons of other times where someone else's stumble got me on the podium so it's just yeah it goes both ways and I'm just always really happy to be out there and competing so yeah it just wasn't my day but I'll be back. God I love that perspective I'm one of those people that gets really into neuroplasticity and how our brains can change with intention and like being gratitude seeing a different angle and the idea of your brain automatically going to yeah and I've also benefited from other people's stumbles that's how it works. It's such a great way to stay able to be present in the moment and accept the results go to bed because you're not going to win every single time and it's hard it's really hard to do that especially because for this games expectations were very different for you. You know 2018 is holy cow how did I get here so fast 2022 is oh my god I just won gold and now you've got pressure of trying to defend so how different was it for you showing up here with that sort of target on your back as the defending champ in that event. Oh yeah it was super different as you said all of my Olympic appearances have been just entirely different and it's been just an amazing journey the whole way but yeah I feel like the pressure is actually what really pushes me I'm kind of weird on that front where I don't really get nervous or anxious or anything like that it's more like I get excited and I normally feel just really calm so I'm the person who's super relaxed super laid back.
And I need the pressure to get me a bit more amped off about the competition. So yeah, I'm a little bit backwards, but yeah, I feel like it's better than the alternative. - I don't think you are backwards. Over the course of this game, the number of times we've either personally talked to metalists or heard about metalists that are sort of the cool as a cucumber type that are almost like strangely unaffected by the big moment are the ones that find success. And it's gotta be something people study and tap into because it seems to work. And I saw an interview with you where you said not only do you like pressure, you like pain, tell me more. - I wouldn't say I like pain, but I know that pain is a really big part of my sport. And it's just, yeah, you have to be able to deal with the pain to kind of reach your new heights. So yeah, it's just that burn your legs. - Speaking of pain, recovery is a huge part of any athlete and you are working with the TMEUSA Athlete Recovery Program in partnership with Lilly. Tell me about how you have to be so thoughtful about what comes after the race as much as what comes before. - Oh yeah, what comes after super important in finding that recovery physically and mentally. So for me, that's been, you know, spending time with my family has been just a really awesome part of my recovery. And the recovery program that TMEUSA is doing with Lilly. I mean, I, yeah, I know firsthand about all the recovery things just with the injuries I've been dealing with. So I think it's awesome what they're doing to support these athletes. And, you know, we gotta get on the top of the podium. So it's really cool to be with a company who's doing all that. - Yeah, 'cause you've also, you faced injuries, you've had to be patient in recovery. You've also suffered personal loss, like the death of your mom when you were in high school, dubs and downs, the ability to process the realities of life and reapply yourself to the next challenge is a big part of your success and the way you've managed to go from roller skating to inline skating, to speed skating, to Olympic champion. How have all those experiences sort of shaped the way you approach mental health both in life and also when it applies to such an up and down sport? - Right, yeah, I think all of those experiences have shaped who I am and how I perform as an individual. And yeah, I feel like it's tough, but I think it really adds perspective to everything. And I think it's really helped with my mindset around performance and just knowing that, you know, at the end of the day, like I'm doing what I enjoy doing. I'm doing what I love and loss isn't a failure. Like as long as everyone's still, you know, as long as everyone's still kicking it, then it's just a bad day sometimes. But yeah, I feel like it really helps put things in a perspective and just knowing that I'm not wrapping up my self-worth in my performance and that I'm just a person out here doing what I love to do. - Yeah, that's such a huge thing for athletes is making sure their identity is beyond the thing that they compete at. You know, you're an incredible, incredible representation for little girls out there, especially little black girls in a sport that hasn't seen a lot of diversity. That must feel wonderful to you. I'm sure you hear plenty of stories of folks either starting out at the roller rink or maybe even starting out on the ice because of you. Does it ever feel like too much? Is it ever pressure to be perfect all the time or to be a role model when sometimes you just want to be a human being? - No, I don't think so, just because I feel like I'm always trying to be a good example or a good role model no matter what. So yeah, I just want to kind of keep that going and it's definitely something that I appreciate. It's cool to get those messages from the parents or sometimes even the kids themselves just saying that, you know, they wanted to get out and try these sports try skating. So it's been really cool to experience that. - All right, so that's where our conversation got cut off. Aaron was in Milan and I was up in the mountains in Valley Diccadoury and the wifi failed me. Just up and conked out mid-convo. So we didn't get to finish our chat. But a couple days later, producer Alex and I were back in Milan to watch Britney Boas skate and we ran into Aaron in person at the event. So I asked her if we could do a little off the cuff clothes. So here's that little second half of our chat. - Okay, so the impromptu second half of our interview, the question all of our listeners want to know is, is it common for speed skaters to not wear socks? And what's the deal with that whole sock, no sock situation? - I don't know a single long track speed skater who wears socks. Our boots are custom-olded to our feet. And yeah, I don't know, I feel like socks would be weird because they might, I don't know, move around inside the boot or just like not create a tight fit. So yeah, none of us wear socks. I came from inline skating and I used to wear socks with my inlines and I'm like, "Hey, well, came over to ice." My coach was like, "Yeah, we don't do that over here." No blisters. - No, no blisters now. - Okay, and then last question for you, just to close it out. What's gonna be the predominant feeling for you as you're leaving these games? - Pornominant feeling, I mean, let's see, I guess relief because there's just this big buildup over the years to get you to this one really big moment. And then when it's over, you can take a little breath and just relax and for me, it's eating whatever I want and going to do whatever I want and yeah, I don't know. So it's a big relief. - Do you still inline skates just for fun ever? - I do. - Yeah, I was inline skating last summer. So yeah, I'll probably get back into it. Yeah, cool. Thank you so much. - Yep, of course. - Hmm. So our short track skater, Corinne Stoddard, said, "You gotta wear socks or else you get stinky boots." But our long tracker, Aaron says, "No socks, no problem." "Mr. Resolved, mission accomplished." (dice rumbling) Thanks again to Madison and Aaron for taking the time. Twice. We gotta take another break when we come back. 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