Sailing Anarchy Podcast #69. I Went Sailing

Oh yeah, you know that, you know that sound, that lame ass sound I play, every podcast, turn it down. It's the sailing energy podcast, this by the way, sorry for the crickets, although they seem appropriate. For 69 podcast, do you believe that it's true. And if you can email me at editor at sailinganarchy.com and tell me what this is, who this is from and what's it in reference to. If you can do that, you get nothing. Hey, welcome, it's nice to be here, then a couple of weeks since I did this, you know, it's 80 degrees where I live, 80 friggin degrees, it's like middle of December, 80 degrees. This, this is not right, I mean it's too hot, you know, shouldn't it be about 50? I think we freeze when it gets below 50 out here in San Diego, but yeah, it's super warm. And I did something cool yesterday. I went sailing, which I haven't done for a while, but it, someone who might say to me when I tell them what type of sailing I did, well it's not really sailing, that's not really racing. I mean, you didn't have to buy a bunch of expensive sales, overpriced, expensive sales from any sale maker, they're all overpriced. You didn't have to get a bunch of crew, a couple of them cycle paths, a couple of them shitty sailors. You didn't have to buy $200 worth of lunch and drinks after the race. That's not really racing. It is, I went model boat sailing, radio controlled sailing, and I told you before that I'd gotten a, a DF, a dragon fire, 95. And I started to assemble it and I realized that I completely inept at taking that tiny little friggin' dyneema, I may have told you this before, but I don't care, we'll go over it again. Do you know what a, you know what a bouse he is, these stupid little cleats, I mean honest to God, there's little pieces of plastic, three eggs of an inch, maybe. And then this tiny dyneema that is so small, it's immeasurable, you have to feed that through the little holes a couple of different times, good Lord. You know what I didn't know is you basically need surgical tools to do this. I had no idea. I thought, well, sure, yeah, I could just, you know, I could do this. No, you need like seriously, you need surgical tools, because this is very simple. Small stuff, and it's very precise and, you know, with those, I'd be better, better equipped to do it. But with my fat little fingers, no, I can't do it. So good friend, John Rogers is a bit of a DF 95 guru down here and you probably know, if you know him, you probably know who his brother is, Dennis Rogers, who sails a lot in IOMs and is a good sailor and they're both, they're both great guys. I like them both, always have, and Johnny's, you know, particularly kind in in terms of helping you get the boat set up. So he did, and the job he did not only rigging it, but just getting it set up to, I guess you'd call it a basic tune was phenomenal. I mean, I, I put the boat in the pond, which by the way is the mission bay model boat pond that a lot of people, a lot of people in San Diego don't even know it's there. It's the coolest little place to go racing, granted it's mostly light air and it's also, I kind of forgotten about this. It's also a subject to the tide in San Diego. I mean, it does affect the wind and it affects the race course. It very subtle ways, but they're real and and the tide was a bit of a factor yesterday. So here's what happens, you know, we've got a couple of great volunteer guys that every Wednesday, they do to flee go down there, they set a start line, they set a weathermark and they sent a lure mark and, you know, it's flat water. I was, I was watching the IOM Nationals and North Americans in Corpus Christi and I forget who it was. Can you read whoever said, oh, yeah, it's flat water and I'm thinking if I sell that's flat water. Like that is not flat water in San Diego. They don't know what flat water is and that's what we have certainly in the pond. No where else is their flat water. There used to be flat water inside San Diego Bay for big boat sailing, but that doesn't exist because there's so many goddamn power boats that insist on, you know, hauling ass through the bay, they don't know shit about sailboats, they couldn't care less for the most part. I mean, most of these guys are just dorks, you know, and really just ruin the whole notion of a, a Mariner. I don't know what they should fall under some subsection just, I don't know what the other douchebags is what they are. And it is funny when you are on a powerboat, your impression of a sailboat is a lot different that when you're on a sailboat, just looking at other sailboats, usually going a little faster in the power of a, you don't probably don't understand what the hell they're doing and granted half the sailors don't understand what they're doing either. I mean, if you've been out anywhere on a typical Saturday day of sailing, people just don't know what they're doing, they just can don't know. The racers know, we know, but they, most people don't, they're just hacks that can barely get the thing in and out of the slip and get the sails up or down. The man is not to kill anybody during a couple hours in the bay. So perspectives really change and, but what happens is these guys come out and mass and they just, they create these huge wakes and it really gets anointingly choppy and bumpy in the bay, not because of wind or tide because of fucking powerboats. So it's, there's no flat water anywhere unless you go down to the South Bay underneath South of the Coronado Bay Bridge. And there you will find flat water, but that is the only place the ocean is never flat. I mean, never flat, it's, it's, when I say never, I mean like one out of a thousand times, it's never, it's always swell, it's always chopped, you know, it's awful and the mid bay in San Diego is awful now too. I mean, it might be worse because you kind of expect it to be halfway decent when you go, "Oh, hey, the bay, it's cool, nice and flat, it is not flat, it's miserable, thank you powerboaters." Oh, and by the way, there's no speed limit in the friggin' bay. I mean, how is that possible? What bunch of geniuses said I've got an idea? Let's not have a speed limit. So if any asshole with any friggin' powerboat wants to go 90, he could go 90 or let's just say 40, have you been 40 knots on a powerboat? I have, it's fucking scary. I mean, the amount of ground that you cover is unbelievable and of course the closing rate to anything coming towards you, whether it's a sailboat or not, is frightening. And so, you know, and so they let people zoom around at any speed they want and I just, I don't understand why. People have been killed and it hasn't happened for a while, but people have been killed. They run into, channel buoys, they run into each other, they run into peers. I mean, you know, it idiots on parade, so there's no speed limit. So I don't know why, why wouldn't you put, I don't know, how about, how about 12 knots? How about that? Who needs to go faster than that on a powerboat? 15, maybe 15, but these guys whip around and it's just disastrous. So the pond though is always flat, I mean, unless it's really blowing which doesn't happen very often in San Diego, it's all you know. So it's nice, nice flat water and, you know, I dipped my, so anyway, I'm sorry, the volunteers come down, they set the race course and it's great. There's three courses to choose from, a short, a medium and a long and mostly we do the medium course, which is cool. You go upwind where the start line is, you use that as two rounding marks. So you're around the lure in the start line, the port, you're around the weather end, the start line to port, you beat back up wind. All the way down to the lure mark, which is the very end of the pond and then you beat back up to the finish. That's a really good race course. It's really quite fun and the bow was fast right from the jump. I mean, I was impressed, god damn, John Rogers knows what he's doing and I don't in terms of setup. I mean, I guess it's probably not that hard to get it too wrong, but it's also hard to get it just right and the sales looked good. I mean, these DF95s, you know, I know they get some crap for, oh, you know, first boat you ever bought on PayPal or something like that, like, okay. And yes, they're plastic, you know, they're nothing special in terms of construction. But damn it, everything is there. The parts are actually fairly nice and it's a great inexpensive way to go model boat racing. I mean, there's big fleets everywhere. There's a good fleet in San Diego and when they when they have their monthly points races on Saturday, I mean, it's not uncommon to get 20 boats and you'll get guys that come down from the LA area, some of them are very good. Mark Gaulis and there's a bunch of guys, you know, down here, Scotty Harris, Dennis Roger, John Rogers, bunch of guys are really good and I hadn't been to the pond for years. I used to have an IOM, a, a Vickers V eight. I think I had and I had a one meter when they were, when they were, you know, still a viable class here. They're not. I don't know why. I thought they were very cool. So I used to race those things and I got to be halfway decent, but man, I gotta tell you, I was literally all thumbs, no pun intended, sailing this thing. I mean, you know, I'm laughing at myself because it's just so amazing what a hack I am or what I've become. It's safe to say I've lost a couple steps. So before the first race, I was, I was checking the, the wind and down the lure net. I just kind of wanted to look at it and, and I also wanted like judge my depth perception, you know, relative to like, am I on the right side of the mark? Let me just go up and sail against it. Well, I sailed up against it, but I also caught the goddamn anchor line. And you know, it's just, it ruined the start and great. That's my first foray back into radio controlled sailboat racing. Oh boy. Welcome back, tempest. They're really glad you decided to show up again. Like could I, you know, could I have been more of a douche? Like is it possible? Like really, you couldn't just not do that. But I did. Okay. Great. So, um, so they, you know, kindly called everybody back and, you know, they reset the mark on, you know, on my behalf and I was greatly appreciative and apologetic and, you know, felt like, but you know, it's a really welcoming group. I mean, they're really good sailors there. And even on these Wednesday races, I think we had maybe five, five or six races, you know, they just run them until, you know, people are sort of ready to go or the wind dies or whatever it might be. But people sail hard, but they sail friendly. You know, there's no bullshit, there's no protest. I mean, sure, someone will go, dude, dude, you didn't have room there like, okay, sorry. So anything I could have done wrong during the afternoon, I did over early, snagged the anchor line. I got caught in Irons not once, but twice at the start line, it's just, you know, being a little lazy and not, I don't know what I was doing. What else did I do? Oh, I was winning. Maybe the third race, having a really nice race, you know, got a good start. I think I was third, the weathermark, pass boats downwind, round Luremark first and just assured me to the finish, but I ran aground. Scotty Harris was just right above me and I had, I mean, I was going to be an easy win until I parked it in the mud. That was great. What else did I do? Just, you know, a couple of other bonehead things. And the thing is, I think it's relatively easy to be fast on the straight line. I think almost anybody can be fast in the straight line, you know, assuming the basic set up, so right. You know, that kind of stuff. And I was fast. I mean, that was good. But man, I lacked. I did win a couple of starts. I really did. The last start. Oh my God. It was my best by far. But also one start, I couldn't get up to a Lure, Lure down the line. So I just started just a Lure of the Lure and I did that once. And so, you know, I had a, if you videotaped my highlights versus low lights, the low lights would clearly have one. But for me, the day was a highlight. I got to reconnect with some friends I hadn't seen for a while. You know, a couple of guys there, a couple of timers go, is that Scott Tempestan? I'm like, yeah, they're like, hey, good to see. And I'm thinking, yeah, you probably don't really mean that. But it was, it's a, it's a joyous group and it makes you feel good. And the other thing is people will help. I mean, there's some guys who go, hey, man, you know, how's your setup or, you know, I think you were doing this, you know, I just tell the fuck off. No, I'm like, okay, cool, thanks. I mean, at this point, you know, I'm re-emerging. It's a resplash, but it's also like, okay, the finer points of saling these things. And by the way, those of you who are RC boats, you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not telling us anything we don't know. But there's a whole bunch of you who don't and haven't. And if there's some of you that are in that category of don't and or haven't, do and do it. I mean, if there's a fleet nearby you relative close, if there's a pond, a lake, you know, a harbor, you know, everybody's, if you look at where people sail around the world, it's crazy. People sail like in the open ocean almost. It's pretty amazing. Not so much the D.F. But like the IOMs, you know, they do. And by the way, that's my next step. I'm going to, I'm going to spend a fair bit of time with the D.F., you know, because I know that's where I'll be able to hone, you know, my boat handling skills. You know, I'll be able to be competitive, you know, at times, I'm assuming most of the time I'll be pretty competitive. I'm not a good big, big fleet starter. I never have been because I never really have all the years that I've sailed at race. I've not done that much big boat or multi boat starts, you know, like 20 boats on the start line. I'm usually bad. I just have not practiced it, you know, so I know that when the Saturday we got us come along, he's getting off the line is going to be difficult and listen, it's difficult for everybody. I mean, I suppose in any fleet, in any size boat, anywhere around the world, the same guy's always managed to get good starts. But you know, they also get terrible starts at times and they have a way to come back. And in the model boats, it's the same thing, although I think it's harder to come back in the RC boats, really, assuming that you're in a quality fleet. But there were some good people out there. And so now I know it's just a matter of, I've got to figure out my death perception. I've got to learn how to not go in irons at the start, like seriously, when was the last time you were accidentally in irons? Like never that would be about right for me, never I've like never not. So maybe backing down before the start to clear kelp off your keel or rudder and you just have the main up in a, you know, a really high aspect fin with a ball at the end, it's possible to get in irons if you're not paying attention. And I clearly wasn't paying attention at the start. And that was the other thing about this. So when I was good, I remember that I could look around a little bit and, and, you know, still not lose track, you know, not, not fall off the track. But I noticed yesterday, anytime I looked somewhere, I'm like, oh shit, I'm like the boat's pinching or, you know, like, oh god damn, the bow's way off, you know. So those things sound ridiculously easy until you do them and more importantly, until you haven't done them for a while. And then you try to do them again. So I, I dug it, man, I did mistakes at all. I really liked it. And I'm not going to mess with the setup on my boat at all. I mean, it's John did a great job and, and the thing is, I know how far behind I am the really, from the really good guys because John Rogers pulled his boat out after every single race and made an adjustment. Now the thing is, I'm not making adjustments because I don't know what the hell I'm doing. Like I don't see anything that's obviously wrong because I'm not that dialed in to not only the, the RC, the DF 95s, but RC boats in general, right? Like I just don't know enough yet about setup and setup was never a strong point of mind. All the big boats that I've had. Not really. I mean, just a little trial and error and sort of wing it, you know, not scientific, you know, not measured, not marked, just basically, ah fuck, that looks pretty good. Yeah, that's good. Let's go. So it worked me, worked for me for a long time, you know, in competitive fleets. It doesn't. It just doesn't. You can't wing it. I mean, sure, you can get away with a couple of nice races, but overall you're going to suffer because you're just not keeping the boat, you know, on top of it. And it's true for any size boat, but with the model boats, man, oh man, that's really true. And super true. And so John was like, yeah, I can't figure out what's, you know, I got to adjust this because I was asking, like, John, what are you doing? And then he would go do his stuff, you know, and then put the boat back in the water. And I'm like, do do do do do I'm just going to sell mine the way it is, do do do. And you know, the way it was was good. It was good. I was fast. Um, god damn. I was pleased. Now listen, it's not like I forgot how to sell. You know, it's not like I don't know, like how to make a boat go. I've always been pretty good at that, just the basic sort of steering element and sales trimming in, you know, about the way you think they should go. But, uh, you know, I don't have any baseline and I don't really, well, I do have a baseline. I'm sailing my baseline right now, but I don't know, like when the wind's different, you know, I know I'm going to have to make changes backstay a couple other things for sure. But yesterday was, you know, very typical pond, you know, four to six, uh, not to breeze with, you know, some holes that invariably just show up, you know, you're saying along and suddenly you're like, shit, like I'm parked. And of course, you know, in typical lake or pond sailing, your boats that are just, you know, 20 feet away, just go right around you. That sort of stuff. But that's part and parcel of the entire experience. And I'm sure everybody's experience is, is different, but I think there's so many things that are tried and true proven with these boats, uh, both in terms of setup and in terms of how you sail them in different conditions. You know, um, I love how John had my main setup, you know, had a little bit of twist. But, you know, you can crank it right on in. I mean, he was telling me that, uh, Mark Gaulson, his, his, his full upwind setting is like insane. Like the boom is like virtually above center line, um, which I don't know if you can do with these things. But I think that's what John said. And I don't, I don't disbelieve him. So I think the really, really good guys can, can in the right wing conditions and a puff or whatever, you know, get those sales in and really get the boat to go, go not only fast but have height. And, um, you know, I, I, I did, you know, when I would tack the boat, I would ease the sales out a little bit, not every time, but some of the times. And you know, then just bring them right back in and it was just really fun to see the boat just hook up, you know, come out of the tack, sales ease a little bit bow down a little bit and then just zip, zip it right up, you know, bring the main all, bring the sales all the way in and you let the boat ride up to weather. And there were a couple of times, man, I was just fucking grooving and, and granted those moments are fleeting, like, they're so fleeting much more than a big boat, uh, on a big boat course. I mean, we know how that is. Oh, my God. We're golden. I remember, um, back in the day when I was good, I was sailing for San Diego y'all club in the Lipton Cup in shock 35. I'd wanted the year before on reliance, then I think it was the year before the Nelson Eric 41 for the yacht club, for San Diego yacht club, for God and country club. Um, and then it went to shock 35s and, you know, there was only, there's only ever been one really fast shock 35, but the two buttercup, those of you in the west coast, no, and slingshot the boat that I was involved with, with, uh, with sobstad and, uh, Doug Peterson, we did some stuff. Really cool. But if you don't have a fast boat and if you don't have fast sales, you're not going to win. Goddamn, Olman had a, uh, had buttercup and say his, his, his, you know, sales were okay. Uh, and I had, uh, a boat that was okay, a good boat, but not, uh, not in buttercups class. And I had the worst North sales ever. Does anybody remember sea cut genoas? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. I'll say no more. Anybody remember true North spinikers? No. True radial spinikers. Hahaha. These sales were so, I mean, North hasn't had that many missteps in, in their product development and God knows, you know, what they've done from 3D on today is, you know, impressive it. I don't think it's possible to really get a bad sale from them at all. But back in the day, oh boy, these things were the most fucked sales ever and they were doggie. And I was good. I was on top of my game. I got good starts, I won a race, um, and I'm finishing second, you know, which isn't winning. Um, uh, beat Steve Grillin for third, those of you, those old time so cow people know who that is. So yeah, all men won. I was second Grillin was third. But I had Chuck Sinks calling tactics for me and, you know, anybody who knows Chuck just knows what an amazing human being he is and what a talented guy. So we're going upwind and you know, get a good start and hit the first shift and you cross everybody and Chuck goes, I love this fucking sport, you know, he's all psyched and me too. So we kind of go off the ways and, uh, we started to get lifted, it gets to the light we tack over, like two boats crosses and he goes, I hate this fucking sport. And, you know, and that's how the sport is. But in the micro world of radio control boats, like, yeah, oh, I'm golden here, you know, that until you're not and, you know, that involved so much, that's race course management, you know, that's looking to see where the wind is on the water or see how other boats are doing. And I don't have that yet. I don't, I don't have that. It's going to come back to me, probably not like it once did, uh, I'm sure it won't. But as soon as I can get, you know, less fat fingering, fat thumbing and get some of the mechanics down, you know, fairly, fairly good so that I don't have to worry about every little second and not look around. Um, I think I'll be a lot better. So I'm really, I got to say, uh, people and our guests, this is so much fun. And you know, I was only half joking about, oh, you don't have seven sales that cost $38,000 and they didn't real racing, you're not on the water, fuck you if I'm not out on the water. I mean, I'm not literally, but figuratively, I am. And the boat is and everything that's happening on the water is me just ending a few feet away. So it's a blast. So if you have a chance to do it, do it, just, you won't regret it'll make you a better sailor. I will tell you that for an absolute fact, it'll, you know, it'll make you do it the very least. You'll think quicker. It'll be quick around your feet because you, if you are plotting it all on, on pond sailing, you're getting flushed. I mean, you just can't. You've got to be on it. Guides are good, especially the guys that have been doing it for a while now, right? So I know I've got a huge gap to try to close. I don't pretend that I'm going to surpass these guys. I'm not presumptuous enough to say that a few years ago, I would have said, yes, I'll, I'll be kicking people's ass here. And I did. Good, inconsistent, like I think a lot of people are, but I was pretty good. And I felt it come back. I just, I just did. You know the feeling. I don't care what boat you sail. You know that feeling when the boats hooked up, you know, you look around, you're shit. We're going really well over here. You know, it's that I love this fucking sport feeling, you know? And then on the pond, of course, and some of these other lakes where people sail, you know that the flukiness and the randomness is randomness, this is more prevalent. I mean, shit, the ocean is rare to just like have the wheels completely fall off and close course racing. I mean, sure, it's lighter on one side, that kind of stuff, we get it. But you know, on pond sailing, suddenly there's a hole and then boats behind are bringing breeze and, you know, it's all of that. And it's what we love, one of the things we love about the sport are the elements, right? The all the factors that go into having a good day on the water. And you know, with the model boats, there's less elements, right? There's no crew and you don't need sails and all that shit. You know, I'm so done with that. I'll never have another big boat and race it. I won't just won't do it. I'm not interested. I don't, I wouldn't want to spend the money at this point. And I've been, I was burned really badly on the last boat by, oh, I don't know. Like everybody who could possibly burn me, Cortez racing association and their insistence on ORC, that burned me. And no, by the way, no, and I've said this a hundred times, I'm going to say it again, absolute refusal to add a pH or F class so that it'll be 33 could rate relatively fairly, which it does not in ORC. So that sucked. I wouldn't, I wouldn't subject myself to that and I'm certainly not going to go by an ORC boat. Fuck that. I mean, I just, so I'm glad I don't have to spend all that money. I don't have to have crazy women on the boat. I don't have to have any of it. I'll have my crazy women on land. Thank you very much. But you know, I'm exuberant about this and I am sort of going on and on, but God damn it is fun. And you know, I'm really telling this story not for the, you know, control people. I mean, you all know what I'm saying. I haven't said one thing that you don't know or haven't thought of. In fact, I've said nothing at all that any of you would really be interested in other than those of you haven't done it. I mean, trust me, you know, a wise and, you know, decadent, cynical, old sailor like me. If I can, you know, if this can float my boat, I mean, if this can get my juices going, then, you know, it can, it'll do it for you too. And I guarantee every one of these fleets, you know, when it's not like a really super important regatta, you know, when it's a local event or, you know, you guys go out and practice or whatever, people are helpful, like I've said, you will get people to help you out. And so, you know, identify who the good sailors are, identify who the good guys are. That's super important. And, you know, you can short your learning curve a lot by just letting some people give you some pointers and help you with a few things. So I love it. I thought it was fun. I actually am glad I had just so many fuck ups on the race course. They were caused by who? Me. Only me. And I'm glad because it would have been really dopey to like get out there and like, you know, get good starts and, you know, win three races out of the six or whatever or four, you know, I would have been like, no, no, no, that, that wouldn't have felt right because it would have been false. I'm not saying people can't come out of the box. I'm like, oh, shit, man, we had a great day. It's going to be easy. And then, you know, reality enters into the picture later. I think that's more discouraging when you're like, well, I thought I was, and now I don't know what to do. Now it's better to go. Now I don't know that much about what exactly I'm doing other than I know the basics of sailboat racing. Right? I do know that. So really looking forward to getting out there again next Wednesday and I will. And the first very big points race is, I think, Saturday, December 27th. Bummer for me is I'm going to the charger game to see the charge of playing the Texans. It's actually believe it or not. It's I bought the tickets thinking it was a Sunday game. And I look and I see that it's Saturday the 27th. So I can't do that. We got unfortunately. I want to go see the chargers and and the Texans, they're, they're both, I mean, they're both very interesting Texans are really interesting. So yeah, my younger son and I are going to go do that. We always have so much fun doing that. But I don't have time to get into my ORC bitch relative to the XR 41. I'll say I might do a shorter podcast, maybe even tomorrow, or certainly Monday. I want to talk about that and how ORC just screwed the pooch on that and lending credence to my claim that ORC sucks. It's hard to believe what they did. It's hard to believe how they justified it. It's hard to believe what they, what they said after that, they're like, their statement about what they believe in. Oh, it's all, it's all such a clown show, all handicapurating measurement rules. They're just, they're just disastrous. It's always going to be the guys who can manipulate the best, who can do the most modifications to the boat. In other words, who have the biggest checkbooks to do things like that. Those are the guys that are almost always going to win. So it's all bullshit and that none of that applies here at the DF 95 fleet. Sure, in the IOMs, you know, with all these different designs and, you know, so many people around the entire world are so into it. I know it's been a little bit of a rebirth for that, that group. So I'm looking around at a couple of potential. I need a good light airboat. I really do. I mean, I thought about a Britpop, I was going to buy one, but then I just, I know they're not particularly good light air boats and, you know, I need all the help I can do. I'm sailing in San Diego. I'm racing at the mission, mission bay model boat pond. I'm not going anywhere else. I'm almost 100% sure I won't go anywhere. I'm only going to sail there. So I want a boat that's perfectly suited for the conditions. And so I'm looking around at a couple of it, it looks like the new Orca is a pretty good boat. And I mean, there's a number of them that are good. These guys that sail these things are so good. Oh my God. You know, it's like, well, DF 95 would be like SCCA auto racing and IOMs, well, maybe not quite F1, F3, you know, like it's serious business. So I definitely, I enjoy sailing IOMs much more than the DF 95s. I like the fact that they're bigger. I like the fact that they're faster. They just seem more like more big bodish to me that the 95s are, you know, a little, what's the word flitty, flitty, you know, they're, they're tippy and, you know, that's all, and that's all okay. It's what they are. Light air San Diego, they seem just fine to me, but I know how they are in a breeze. I had one long time ago. I didn't really do much with it, but they're, they're a handful in a breeze. Whereas, you know, the IOMs are very developed and very fine tuned. And so I'm going to get a boat that's going to be good for San Diego. But first, like I said, before I go, you know, I'm just going to, I'm going to just drill into this thing. And, you know, I want to be one of the guys that's considered somebody who is capable of winning races, winning regatta, that's a bit of a stretch, as far as I can see, certainly in the short term, I wouldn't see me winning any regatta. But I could see me, you know, being, I want to be at the front, near the front. That's the word. I don't expect to be at the very front. I expect to be at the very front, a fair bit of the time. I do. I do. I mean, I just, I know I'm a good sailor. I'm not some douche. I can, I know what I'm doing. I mean, I'm a douche, but I'm a, I'm a good sailor. So I know what I'm doing. But, you know, it's all of the, a kuchamaans, you know, it's all of the micro and the fine tune stuff that, that I really have to get into and I've just got to get a lot better with my starting and my boat handling. And once I do, I think I'll be pretty good. And then and only then will I go ahead and jump into a good IOM, but, but I will, I, I want to do it. I mean, this is now my form of sailboat racing. Nobody asks me to go out on their big boats ever, ever. And so I'm not going. I wouldn't want to anyway. I don't want to just go a sail, sail with people. I don't, I want, I need to be steering or calling tactics, period, end of story. And if I'm not doing that, I ain't going well, I get to do both on the model boats. And I, I like that. That's more of my forte. So yeah, I'm psyched about it. I just, I love, I love that it's not that expensive to do it. I mean, these friggin, these DF 95s, it was less than 500 bucks, like seriously. And I think, I think if you do it right, you can, you can build yourself a very nice, very nice IOM for five grand, easy, maybe less. I mean, I know some of the, the manufacturers, you know, the full packages, there's 7200 bucks or seven, which is a lot of money. I'm not going, I would never think of spending that much money. But I could spend up to five. I mean, I would and I will, when I get there, but right now I'm digging the, the DF 95, loving this, this racing, I mean, it's so cool. And thanks to all the people who are so cool and welcome me back, I appreciate that. Hey, listen, that's enough of me. Ah, Scott tempesta for sailing anarchy, you know. Say ya!