Sacred Substances & the Untold Story of Puffco w/ CEO Jolly Roger

if you're approaching them without respect you're going to respect it after yeah i think that's what happened with me with my 10 hits is like you thought this was a game but like you've dissolved everything inside of yourself that's tethered to this reality and now you're going to spend the next few months figuring out how to get that back what's up everybody welcome back to the dopest usual podcast my name is thomas dopest yolo whatever you want to call me it's my co-host marty o'neill what's up guys guys today we're gonna have a smoked out fun episode i'm excited you're excited you already know who this person is if you like puffco if you like puffcon if you're a fan of ash you know this next person is uh please introduce jolly roger thank you thank you roger appreciate you i appreciate you man how fun to be here quick first question yeah do you have like 80 of the same outfits in different colors you know uh actually yeah okay like this shirt i have three of the same versions of this shirt uh yeah i you know i keep it every time i see him like i like my uniform they're gonna have the lines i'm like beanie shirt big jeans beanie shirt puffy pants that's the look man i feel like if you're a larger guy and you find something that works for you you're just gonna maximize that look as much as you can i just found a that buying a bigger shirt way more fun way cooler i know size over i just started that last week and then i didn't do laundry in time so you know wearing this motherfucker today but wow yeah dude i don't feel like this oh oh that's the worst oh dude i'm over here sweating taking dad's one now it's fucked up because like i i mean most people don't know but i was over 300 pounds for i don't remember that at least half my life when you first met me i probably was pushing three but this is like 2016 um but yeah people just got used to seeing me not to be honest maybe maybe i just remember that face and didn't realize like oh that's the same human being no man and i like so i have still all the trauma of being like extremely overweight but now everywhere in the memes they they know about the shirt pull dog they're making fun of us for the shirt when i'm still pulling down my shirt all the tiny time i like you got a shirt i don't know why it's just oversized oversized is the move that's my that's my status always would you do not be a big giant fat guy because i'm on the way i'm trying to you know oh man uh shit you know me and uh this is a little personal but my my me and my lady uh had a little bit of a breakup in 2017 uh mainly on me i think my head was all fucked up just caught up in the and when she was like hey this isn't working for me like you gotta change i took it seriously and i was like man i'll do anything i can just to be a better person and then it was keto you know the keto keto diet which probably also gave me heart disease because now i got super high cholesterol and like i have whatever things that came when you do keto what do you eat more of after that when i was on keto i'm having coffee with heavy whipping cream i'm slamming two packs of bacon oh shit dude no bread though just no bread no bread i'm losing weight like i'm the weight is dumping off yeah but like keto was the hack after keto i put a bunch back and like now i got into cycling and like it's a constant effort man i'm a hungry guy like i want to eat i to eat 10 000 calories for me is not even a like a thought i could it's just oh shit it's i mean same i'm an anomaly i don't eat a lot and i just will not lose fucking weight damn like my body's like hey fuck are you drinking a bunch of soda shit no i don't drink i'm addicted so i don't drink them damn i don't eat meat damn that's why are you still fully vegan or vegetarian vegetarian that's why i'm like oh you bread and cheese man i'm fucking i'll get full and then i'm like yo dude you just ate carbs all day the hack is like it sucks because it's a boring hack but counting calories man because you just sit there and you won't know like oh shit i actually ate three thousand calories more than i thought i can eat a jar of peanut butter like i fucking jar bro oh you're fat person heart dog oh man you know jar of peanut butter easy oh shit easy are you kidding me i'm questioning like how do you not know this don't you have a food that you can just completely overeat endless amounts of like you have to stop yourself and be like okay that's enough i can't keep doing this to myself candy maybe some soda i'll take a nice scoop of peanut butter with some oh if you get a little bit of chocolate fat i am i put peanut butter on rainbow sherbet in the sixth grade i ate the whole thing and i thought it was disgusting still ate it still ate it fat fucking that's blasphemy just spoon right in the jar man i remember doing that that's so fun when i was in new york new yorkers aren't really healthy so like every day i'm eating the wildest italian foods i'm having like an entire hero of a chicken parm you're walking so far pasta is it kind of even back then man i was just no dude i'm like i'm taking ubers and eating a ton and yeah man it's been it's it's been great to lose weight but it's like it's in my head now i'm always i have a bad relationship with food like i'm always thinking about what to you can ask anybody around me like food is always uh are we going somewhere what's roger gonna eat how do we make sure to not just give him french fries oh that's that's me everywhere like there's no there's all me right all your fries and salad dick give me it not actual i'm saying yeah i was trying to say asshole but there you go not assholes either fat boy fat boy life not very in tune with it spent you know still consider myself what's your background like growing up what were you eating man growing up in new york it's a lot of like as a child um um it's right yeah i'm home we say ukrainian now but like my parents fled the ussr and they came from ukraine i always really said i was russian but now we say ukrainian and ussr food is fucking disgusting yeah i mean bro you might if you're watching this i want you to google this i don't know how to say it but google chicken soup jello it's called holodeuts in russian and it is literally jello broth and you'd see old people with like jello dripping down their chin and they're either there's chicken in there it's fucking disgusting that right there yes well i've seen that before that one like the third one or yeah any of them it's i am scarred from it it smells nasty it's a jello cake of chicken soup there's that there's cow tongue there's like steamed cow tongue i can't just the worst food and then once i was making enough like you know whatever not making enough money but you have money as a teenager to get your own stuff then it's just like new york city egg and cheeses pizza that's what i imagine new yorkers eating like yeah i got a bagel and i suck at it skate it off new yorkers survive on like sandwiches pretty much but like i just never really had a good relationship with food and i loved overeating i love that five five five deal from dominoes way back in the day where you get three medium pies you just i mean i remember that was a hedge when they came out it's i fucked it up too you know it's if there's any negative cannabis has had in my life it's that i'm already a very hungry person and it well it gives you munchies it gives you munchies i'm gonna i'm gonna i don't i don't get it you don't get i only off hash and at four in the morning and i'm like i could eat about eight things right now they gotta put you in a lab and study you i don't know dude and i'm like yo if you're not hungry at all fuck i don't understand but hunger is like not a thing it doesn't really get me like that damn i don't know why this fool knows i'll go all day i'm like did i eat fuck i didn't eat today all the time i think that's why my body's like hang on to this never in my life never in my life never in my life have i got a day where i'm like why i guess i wasn't hungry today i'm just i don't know what it is i find smoking a lot of hash in the day i don't get hungry i just like food is so good especially with weed you smoke and then the texture and the flavors and just oh you just like food yeah never mind i've never thought of the textures and flavor like this shit doesn't suck i mean the best thing like i know stoners know this it's 1 a.m you dozed off after smoking too much weed you walk over to the fridge your eyes are closed you reach in for something yummy and you're just shoving it out it's your half asleep that's like you know as a as a former opiate addict i put that up there with like the drugs oh here we go yeah oh you didn't know no i didn't know that are you ready oh yeah i don't like drugs because i'm fat and i'll die right so that's why i don't do drugs i smoke weed get high do mushrooms i talked about this yesterday i want to go to a not now not now when i'm old i want to go to opium den so fucking bad in china and just you have to go to china no i want to go to china i want the authentic i don't know if they got it in china dog that's what's wrong yeah they kind of there's opium dens in america they kind of did a lot not crack house after that opium dens in america uh well if you can just this anything can be an opium i want it to be soft walls and a lady that goes you're not dead you're not dead you just need a bunch of carpets on the floor and like some nice pillows but like opium is very easy to make i don't say you're not dead you're not dead you're not dead you're not dead you're not I am not going to tell people how to make it but it is there's the internet it is i mean you know there's the opium flower that's why there's the poppy flower it's a beautiful flower when it turns into a ball it has things inside of it that were meant to protect it if it incurs damage so if you just cut the side of the flower it'll bleed out this white substance you let it dry and you just collect it and you have opium oh my god so like i can't do that because again i'm afraid that if no you can't touch that if an opium spliffs ever touches my lips it's over for me i just see people oh man i don't want that in my life but when i see these vet folds i'm like you look at that back i have a bad back my look at this the lumber from the liver the limber back they're not feeling it bro they're that is amazing to them it's it's one of the best drugs out there which makes it also one of the worst drugs out there because it's so fucking yeah i want to float away all day it's nice you know years of your life disappear no that's stealing grandma's medicine i've seen my homie do a lot of loss on oxys and it was the most disgusting thing seeing someone waste away and not know what's happening so that's why i don't touch drugs good the effect of it i'm like oh i get it i want i would love to fall i have insomnia so to fall asleep somewhere oh that's a drug for me it's uh yeah i would avoid using it maybe until your your final no 88 years old yeah that's that's the that's a good age 88 because if i die fuck and i'm old but if i live like that was sick it won't kill you you'll just base your life around getting more no i just feel like i'll just be there for days and just die yeah you don't want to leave yeah that's not that's how i feel it's a great feeling why would you want to come i don't know if i could i don't know i just imagined a lot of carpets and full speaking language i don't understand and you're going yeah i don't think it's like that in china anymore damn it dude i really imagined it like if i got a bruce lee movie or something they're pretty hard on drugs but like opium exist man i fall into that on the instagram algo like i'll send all the time to admin where it's just fields of poppies this is how i learned about this and you'll just see people going in there and they cut it they cut it and they go and collect it cool and then all the comments are like holy shit we're on opium gram or something you already know let's take a dab no you've had it the worst you are one of the worst censored you are likely the most censored person on the internet in cannabis history at the very least and then going outside of cannabis i think you have to start going to like bad people yes to see your level of censorship i'm on page 33 dude on instagram my 33rd page what is that oh my god you're 33rd ig and you it's been a long time since you've showed anything about i don't show weed i don't show weed or nothing and they're still clipping you um i've had this page now for three years so that's the longest i've ever had a page okay so i guess they switched that's not bad yeah they switched their tune i mean it's different now man like it's it's uh it's a pay-to-play thing it's a pay-to-play thing and i see a lot of people showing weed they go how how the fuck are you doing this to me i just want to be able to get high and like do it fun and i mean there's so much fun shit and we record with the coolest cameras can we just put a fucking video out come on man come on please so the weirdest thing is we got clipped uh whatever i think this was last year at some point our page got taken down and i start just like looking into this like okay i'm not gonna do this i'm not gonna do this i'm not gonna do this i'm not gonna do this i'm not gonna do this maybe we broke the rules or something maybe there's something that we did incorrectly that violated tos and i started checking other companies and i went and saw that fucking heineken had a marvel collab they had wolverine selling heineken on there you can go to their ig page it's still up there that's that's and they like kids but they say in their terms of service that you cannot promote alcohol usage that you cannot appeal to kids all these things you can't do what that is and it's like dog i'm just posting myself getting high you guys are literally posting a child superhero the my childhood favorite superhero is probably wolverine and he's selling heineken to fucking kids like it's very weird so when you say pay to play it's absolutely the case we're like if you're big pharma if you're big tobacco if you're big alcohol you're fine you're good yeah but like our industry doesn't i feel like it's changing right now but like we don't have that opportunity and even for puff coat i hate saying we'd be glad to pay meta but certainly we'd be glad to have the same opportunity heineken has i'm like we don't get that i'll pay it i pay for parking dude i'll double whatever he pays there you know give me a little number give me a little number mark sucker boy taxes us i'm gonna take a dab do it um okay let's talk yeah so i get a lot of people like damn now you use puffco since when fan duel is now available everywhere in the u.s so you can get in on the sports action no matter where you are including these places make this your most rewarding season ever with fan duel age and location restrictions apply product availability varies by market see fanduel.com for eligibility gambling problem call 1-800-GAMBLER you because i've said it a million times i could not get a fucking fat rip out of the first generation i couldn't get a cloud then i was on my birthday doing paintball and hash house's little brother's like fucking hit it go i can't it doesn't rip for me sure it's a 3d xl chamber i go what the fuck does that mean and i fucking damn you threw up by the truck coughing my ass off on white it'll do now i get that's before you guys spawned before i went to puffcon before i did any of that that's why i started using the fuck out of mike who's big in this it's sure once like i really got the newest version because the first version i got was like 2018 yeah when we first came out yeah 2018 is the first time i ever tried it you know how many people were like yo try this try this try this try this so when that happened i got a lot of people like almost splitting it like how are you not using puffco you use that oh do you not like these people sure so okay thank you what was oh my god it's like this is the podcast i want to talk about it your guys thought you guys thought your whole company was like yeah that guy doesn't thomas doesn't fucking like us why what happened i want to know oh that we thought you didn't like us yeah what happened man i mean i got a lot of people like that guy rogers don't fuck with him i go no you know what there was um oh god how do i even talk about this publicly it's a it's a it's a good question because i actually remember exactly what you're referencing and i think that you just might have said something that was like when i was saying it i wasn't saying like thomas doesn't like us it was more of you weren't fucking with the products at the time and i think it speaks to the story you're saying of like before the 3d xl this just wasn't doing it for me and i think that you publicized like hey i like x product puffco just ain't working for me and i remember somebody asked me about that like after you shot that video and i immediately started glazing you where i'm like but i remember the thing i'm like what happened man like nothing below firm i don't think you folks are their products too much but like i got nothing i had the pens i remember all that shit but i i it makes it makes sense for me because you know the og peak was such a new thing and we were such a small company when we made it and we designed it for like ourselves really so as soon as we put it in the world we're seeing a bunch of people use it in ways that we didn't expect they're inhaling harder they're abusing it more and so like our early stages for the product were a lot of lessons learned on how people are going to use it what their expectations are and since then as you can tell with every version we we love hearing that we're not good enough because we're like all right what do we do now how like this thing has saved me at any of every hotel for the past two years every time i'm on a balcony going thank god i didn't bring my rig it's just it's just as a person that likes class this thing is as important as like breaking your wallet when you leave home that's how i feel about it and i think that's just how i feel about it i think that's how i feel about it and i think that's just how i feel about it and i think that's just how i feel about it that's how i feel oh hell yeah like i won't leave without it dude i can't go anywhere uh in the world honestly without it it's like i'm addicted to drugs it's because i like smoking hash you like do it for you when you smoke when you wake up you're like i need to get high or is it more i want to smoke some hash for me it's more of like i don't really get high do you get high um yeah yeah yeah i'll still it depends on like where i'm at like is there a certain amount is there a certain amount that gets you high or certain like no to me it's it's what you're smoking so like if i am smoking dabs all day i have to finish my j with my day with the joint okay like if if if you're somebody who only smokes weed and i see it all the time or somebody isn't really dabbing it's not what they're into they smoke flour i'll give them a dab and it will get them so high so high but i could take 30 of those dabs and be okay but as soon as i get like you know pretty strong joint that tastes good it will me up it will get me a different kind of high now the times in my life where i was mainly smoking joints and i would have the dab as the treat so for me like cannabis is all about diversity like as long as i have different mediums of consuming i'm gonna get high because like you said like i could polish off a jar like this like that i'm getting high i'm enjoying it yes saying i'm not like slumped falling asleep it's rare that i'm like this fuck i'm re no it doesn't happen to me and then same thing with edibles like edibles will get me there but then you just get to that point where you're tweaking um you have a high tolerance for edibles actually no no like i I can, I won't eat more than 50 to kick things off. Oh shit, okay. And then if I eat like 100, I'm gonna panic. It won't be a bad panic, I can talk myself through it, but I'm gonna have that moment of like, ooh, this is uncomfortable, I gotta sit through it. I've only had one like, time, but that was an absurd amount. How old are you? 36. 36. It's an absurd amount of, I, I've seen Martin take a thousand milligrams and go, this didn't do anything. So like, there's certain people, it just didn't work. That was back in the day, though. No, this was recent. I just started giving Martin articles recently. Really? I gave him an eighth of mushrooms and it did nothing to him. Back in the day, who was that like, was it Candy something? Remember the chocolate bars? Black Bar. The Blackout Bar of Corova? No. The thousand milligram? It was even before that, man. What was it? It wasn't, it wasn't, it was like in the Punch Edibles era. It wasn't Incredibles. Okay. It was another brand. What did it look like? It had candy in their name. It was like big chocolate bars about this size. And they were a thousand milligrams. That's what I'm talking about, the Blackout Bar. It was called the Blackout Bar, right? Yeah. I don't know if it was called the Blackout Bar, but it's probably a similar thing that you're describing. I remember eating those and I would survive it. If I ate that shit now, I'd be done for five days. Isn't that weird? Tarnishes go up and down? I found with age. With age. With age, I hit a point around 33 years old where I was able to consume and never have too much cannabis. Like, there was no such thing as being too high for me. In fact, I was a believer of like, well, if you smoke enough weed, you start getting sober and it just stops working. And at 33, I know, that's what I thought in my 20s. He just gets sober. That's hilarious. As the excuse I told myself. If you're wet, just throw more water. But then I remember I was like 33 and I ate like 30 milligrams of edibles. And I went to, here, take some of my hash, by the way. Oh, yeah. I got plenty of it. Let's try it out. Let's try it out. There's so much different shit. So I'm 33 and I go and I eat a little bit of an edible and I rip a dab and then I just start thinking like, oh, man, my chest. Fuck, man. I'm like, if I had a heart attack. Right now, who is saved? There's a lot of hash in this house. Fuck. Well, I guess if I have a heart attack, I should probably go wait outside for the ambulance so the cops don't come. Damn, I'm going to make it outside. Then I'm starting to panic. And then I'm like, yeah, my chest hurts, man. Like, babe, I got to go outside. I'm having a heart attack. Why are you going outside? I'm like, the cops are going to come. I need to go outside. And she's like, you're having a panic attack. Calm the fuck down. Here's a sugary drink. Eat something. You're going to be OK. Does that help drinks? A hundred percent. I think sugar is sugar from what I've seen across many different drugs. If you consume it, it will help metabolize the drugs fast. And so, like, you can get past an uncomfortable period with sugary drinks. I've seen that, like, beyond just cannabis. People recommend it. But like, yeah, man, I got to a point where it was bad. The worst of the worst of it was. So, like, that was the first moment. The worst moment was during COVID. And, like, I'm stuck in the house running the company remotely. It's kind of fucking with my head. I have people that are getting sick. My mom got sick. Almost lost her twice. Thank God she's still around. She made it through all of it. And I remember having this moment where I'm like, I'm pretty high. And I just tell myself, like, man, just sitting here at home watching all this shit happen on the news. It's like watching a plane crash in slow motion. And then, boom. I'm automatically on the plane in first class, looking out the window, seeing the building we're going into. Just had this crazy visualization. And that panic set in again. And I'm like, whoa, I can't smoke. And so, like, in 2020, I never stopped smoking. But I got to the point where I'm like, all right, let me take a smaller dab and a smaller dab. And it kept not working. And then I went to all the way down to a joint that was 0.2 of a gram. And I would smoke 0.2 of a gram. And then I'd be in a joint and be like, oh, my God, I'm too high. And I would look at my lady and she'd be like, dude, you got to roll me, like, at least a gram joint. I can't get high with you on this. And that's when I started doing the work of, like, there's an element to cannabis that is absolutely psychedelic, that is absolutely spiritual, that is really it's a challenge like mushrooms are a challenge where you eat too much and you have to survive mushrooms to get the benefits of mushrooms. And that's when I started talking to friends. They're like, you need to do a grounding exercise. Name three things you can hear. Name five things you can touch. Name 10 things you can see. And as you start going through it, become grounded in the present moment. And now, actually, when I eat too many edibles, when I get to that point of being too high, I'm like, OK, cool. Let this voice take over. Shouldn't have fucking said that, man. You're being too mean to this fucking person. Now they hate you. Boom, locked in. I'm not going to call that person. Now, but as soon as I'm sober, I'm going to hit him up. Hey, bro, I'm sorry if I was rude to you today. And like, I learned that that weird, uncomfortable place cannabis can push you has really good lessons in it. But you got to be down for the work. Most people are just like, fuck this. I'm not smoking, but it's my career. So I had to find a way. And now, you know, I could clear out five grams in a few hours. I never go. I don't go through what you just explained. Oh, my God. That sounds so scary. That's like having a good more in the ball going. I can't hit the ball. Why do you smoke cannabis? I just love fucking weed. Is it high? Is it the flavor? What it is, is going. When I first started smoking weed, I was very anti-drug when I was a kid because of their program. And my dad and mom were talking meth and everyone who smokes meth. I'm like, I don't want to be these people. This is stupid. And they're like, he's the gateway goal. And I'm like, oh, then I'll never touch this shit. And then I remember eighth grade, I'm like, I was 4.0 student, all the gate classes, the programs, all that shit, 4.0 master of the year, all that shit. And then I started, I was like, you know, I'm going to try weed. And my sister's like, all right, let's try weed. I smoked out of a fucking can and I got kind of high, chugged a lot of Tampico juice and I watched Mad TV. Then Saturday Night Live. I'm like, all right, this was cool. And then I got my first B ever because I started like smoking weed. And I was like, I don't want to do this. I'll go smoke with my friends. Sure. I'll just sneak around. I'll just one assignment. Who cares? I had 3.86. I remember, no 4.0. Fuck. And then I got a 1.5 the next three years straight because I remember going, I'm not going to do any of this work. This shit's fucking stupid. You have a switcher? I just want to leave. Do you have a switcher? Please. That's hilarious. And then I was like, wait, I must hurt. What it was is the first time, like I didn't really get that high. The second time I got fucking wrecked and I thought it was just a, when I was younger, it's like, hey, you have a joint? Well, tonight's going to be fucking awesome. We're going to watch a movie. It's going to be more fun because you know, when you're like, this is different. It makes everything better. Yeah. It makes everything cooler. And then when I got older, I just started realizing like, oh, I can actually not, not eat at school. I'm going to make some money and sell some weed when I, and now when I get older, the reason why I like smoking so much weed and people always ask, like, they never asked why do you smoke weed? They asked why you smoke so much. So I never actually answered this. Yeah. I just, for all the fucking times I didn't have weed. Have you taken a break ever? Or like, uh, three weeks ago I got a, I got like a lung, uh, RSV that sickness and no edibles. Nothing. No. Um, so I smoked, I smoked at night, I took like 10 to apps, nothing crazy, but I wasn't smoking a lot of weed. I didn't smoke in the day as much. My chest hurt. I took a break. It's that tolerance is just through the roof, dude. Yeah. It never goes back down. So nothing like, like I, I have depression pretty bad. So for me, like cannabis. It makes me this very clear relief that makes it. So it'll be a part of my life forever because I'll always choose cannabis over any prescription drugs or anything else. But it hasn't given you that. It's just something you enjoy that makes life more comfortable. Well, to me, I have a really bad insomnia until about two years ago. Like I would sleep like an hour or two every night. Like I don't sleep. The sun comes up and I finally get to sleep and go, Oh, go to school. It's the worst dude. So I would smoke as much as I could and it would help me go to sleep. So that's why from like 15 to about 20, I'm like I smoke as much as I can and fall asleep. I just love weed. I love looking at this and going, this was a plant when I smoke it, I'm gonna exhale this shit. I just like seeing the fucking POV of the smoke. I don't know what it is. I just love everything about fucking weed. I love smoking a joint. Like watch that shit burn. I like the trap ghost shit. It's my favorite thing in the world. Yeah. Ditto. It's fucking awesome. Like you don't need, it doesn't have to be curing something inside of you to make for an amazing experience. I'm a hundred percent. Uh, I abused weeds. I abused the shit out of weed dude. Seth Rogan's take was like really beautiful. He related it more to like having a pair of eyeglasses or shoes because you can walk barefoot everywhere, but it's more comfortable to wear shoes and he was like, cannabis makes you more comfortable. Yeah. I do. Why should I not use something? Yeah. It's more comfortable and life a little bit easier to enjoy. And I felt like that was really bars were like a lot of the times we need a justification or like, yeah man, I have depression. That's why I need this. And I think we lose the fact like, Hey man, this, this makes life better for me. Not that it sucks now, just makes it better when I use it. Yeah. Seth really advocated for that. I'm like, this is just something I enjoy and I'm not going to not use it just because you don't enjoy it. Like I always say like, go to the DMV, smoke a joint, go to the DMV, fucking way cooler. - Oh my God. - So much fucking better. - Bring your Steam Deck with you, now is the time, man. See, I don't, I'm, he's that guy. I don't, I'm just starting to get into, no, I'm just starting to get into like, maybe I should do that thing. That would be cooler. I will buy a blackout curtain because it's so bright. I've never, and I did it and like, I don't know what I am. Hold on, you suffer from insomnia and you just discovered blackout curtains? I knew they had them. And I always say, I should get some someday. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I don't drink caffeine. I don't drink anything. I don't drink coffee. I don't drink energy drinks. Oh, so cannabis is really like your. The only thing is. It's your outlet. That's all I do. I don't drink anything but water. And then like the juice, the press juice stuff. And I started drinking these recently, the probiotic drinks. Those are nice. And then I don't, I don't know, dude. People always ask, Marty, how do you do like. FanDuel is now available everywhere in the U.S. So you can get in on the sports action no matter where you are, including these places. Make this your most rewarding season ever with FanDuel. Age and location restrictions apply. Product availability varies by market. See FanDuel.com for eligibility. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. I don't drink any. To me, the coffee and weed pair is perfect. That's, that's Marty's, that's Marty's morning. That's how I lock in. Those are soulmates, man. I hate coffee. Sleepers? Stinks. Tastes like shit. No, no, it doesn't. It tastes like shit. I actually felt that way when I was younger. I only drank it when I was a kid. It took one good coffee where you're like, damn, why is this like fucking liquid peanut butter? And then you're just like, this is. Liquid peanut butter I'll fucking drink. It's, you know, I mean, coffee is, it's a plant, you know, comes from a plant. So it's going to have the same diversity cannabis has where like there are really bad terps in coffee. And there's really amazing terps in coffee. I drank black coffee with my grandma at Folgers. Yeah, right. You're drinking fucking Folgers. That's easy to eat. I tried it. And then I tried coffee in fucking Miami. The cafecito shit. It's like. Disgusting. No way. That's also a cafecito is definitely strong. It's so strong, dude. It's very strong. Damn, man. All right. Next time I see you, I want to bring you like a nice. I'm down. I'm down to try it because I am tired. I only smoke OG as much as I can. And no iced teas. You don't fuck with iced teas. I don't drink nothing, dude. Damn. I don't drink shit, dude. I just assume. I'm just knowing. Not because I don't want to because people show me stuff and I go, yeah, that would be. I don't know. John got an ice machine. You know, I should get an ice machine. I want ice. What am I doing? I don't think about stuff. You should see my house. It's just toys. Hilarious. And that's it. It looks like this. That's it. And that's it, dude. It's a collection of all your things. Of all the coolest stuff. And now I moved on to like life-size stuff. Oh, damn, man. You got the Terminator there, too? Yeah. That's funny. Yeah, you know the Terminator lore for sure. And the GZ I see out there. Yeah, we got a bunch of fun stuff here, dude. Yeah, this studio looks amazing, man. 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that blew my mind though the whole state doesn't have i don't think i tried cilantro until i was in my 30s all that temperature you know what i mean so like yeah man like i don't know roast me for it but like no it's just crazy because you're in the same country it's like we're the agriculture state so i feel like i'm in the same country i'm in the same country i'm in the same country i'm in the same country i'm in the same country i'm in the same country i'm from merced where all the shit's grown so i've seen every fucking thing you get so it's new i'm from coney island i'm not in new york like i'm from like you know coney island yes exactly so it's like a it's a hood place but it's also like it's not gonna be that worldly look at all these people coming here like coney island is known for the buck 50 you can look that up come on you got slashed yeah oh you know what a buck let's talk about the fucking hot dogs my own for a buck 50 no no no no coney coney island is yeah it's a not to say a small-minded place but like when you're in a place that doesn't have a lot of money where you're around a lot of poor people you don't have a lot of diversity of thought you don't really have a lot of challenging thoughts and i feel like things changed for me once i started just traveling and meeting other people my accent washed away i tried new foods you whoa you don't have an accent i didn't even think about it i didn't even think about it i didn't even think of that i mean my new york accent wasn't like the thickest thickest thickest accent but it it was it was certainly thicker still comes out when i'm like around my new york homies and we start talking shit it comes out but yeah man traveling meeting other people meeting people who think differently than you um has changed my life drastically like from anything from coffee and food to your thoughts on stuff like pretty ignorant on my end but i remember like juliana goes by people see she's my hash guru she threw she throws ego clash uh in barcelona arguably the most knowledgeable person i've ever met about hash and she's colombian she's always advocating like go to colombia go to colombia and i am unfortunately still a propagandized american where like i still i still believe some things the government told me to believe and one of them is like oh latin america is very dangerous and so i'm like yeah colombia i'm one of those guys well you're like well i'm one of those guys who's like i'm one of those guys who's like i'm one of those straight up like you'll think like oh colombia like well that's i'm not going there they're dog we live in la brother i get it brother we live in la what it is is i don't speak other languages so when i hear people talk and go they keep like stab that fat guy and take his wallet like fuck i don't even know what's happening how would they say that i don't i've been only been to tijuana you ever meet colombians i've only been to tijuana you went to tijuana that's what i'm a place where crime is happening but like she opened up my mind where she was like dog do you think the united states isn't dangerous she's like you got a fucking school shooting every day people getting robbed every day gun violence every day she was like you think it's that much worse than colombia i'm like fuck you're right and it just it's very true it changes your view we're it is known that americans are very very very propagandized and like even on a local level even if you only live in merced or you've only grown up in new york we are in deep deep echo chambers and we don't really challenge each other's thoughts a lot and when we do in this country it is a very tense thing yeah people know how to argue every other country you go to man you're having the dopest conversations with people who disagree with you it's fine no i i agree with what you're saying because i am that guy i'm like you want to go where i'm not going there we kidnapped you ever want to leave the world i never want to travel i just travel when i saw you in germany it's the first time i've ever left anywhere yeah i don't go anywhere and i'm saying like i don't travel dude she scares the shit out of me it's why the scary thing to me is always the government the worst part of colombia is the police the worst part of mexico is the police that's also scary to me yeah for sure that's why i'm like i'm just here be safe it's like i speak english you go hey lady film this film this is posted because over there in texas dog that's what i'm saying if i'm in texas bro i would i would prefer any mexican cop any colombian cop than a motherfucker with a southern accent rolling up on me with a cowboy hat being like i will let me see your license and reg fuck no you're not brown though me going to mexico they're like you don't speak spanish motherfucker oh damn yeah how much money you got on you right now that's something i they just invited me to you on a show and i was like oh fuck no i'm not going to you want to treat you different because you know i'm going with david lucas loud ass fool fuck no i'm not going there and getting the shit out of me because david said some shit to some bitch that was no no oh no no not gonna happen well listen we'll encourage you right i would but for me i'll catch a southern cop with an accent in texas scares the shit i'll start singing free bird you'll be like you know what man you just get on your way i'm like i don't speak their language i'm a yankee so i'm just like oh you're right i'm getting disappeared out here like i'm no you sing a fucking george like i'm a yankee so i'm just like oh you're right i'm getting disappeared out here like i'm george thoroughgood song and they'll be like i have no idea what george thoroughgood is bro as soon as i start rapping jay-z lyrics they're throwing me the fucking watch them just start spitting Nas back at you again getting locked up if they know Nas but like I've been in very especially in Colombia I never really talked about it publicly but like we were in a very uncomfortable situation with police Chelsea arguably got sexually I mean did get sexually assaulted by the cops were like we're just outside smoking a joint they come over I happen to put my foot on the alleged rolled whatever and as soon as they come they go to Juliana and they go to Chelsea and we have our medical cannabis paperwork on us and they immediately just like ripping Chelsea's clothes off feeling it was a woman that was doing it thank God not that that slightly better man I get it you know like it's still a state you know thug doing that to you and even with that even as fucked up as that was and shout out to Juliana who had all the paperwork and got us out of it my trauma from like American police is just completely deflated anything I experienced outside of the country like never you know you go around the NYPD bro like I've been in New York drinking a fucking can of Arizona iced tea and have a cop come up to me and be like what the fuck is in that can like here look did I tell you to put it in front of my fucking face oh dude I'm just I'm drinking iced tea bro why are you talking to me like this I would much rather have that than a motherfucker I don't understand though because I'm so scared of it dude I'm just like you said I'm brainwashed I'm American brainwashed for sure you should go man you should you should I've been to other countries but I'm like staying with motherfuckers that I know like take me to the places where I won't get in trouble it's scary dude I've been to Mexico when the bad parts like oh this this sucks what's like a bad part of Mexico was that Tijuana no there was a part of Mexico where I was walking around I heard some guy dude it was with my grandma it was like fucking 22s I'm like it's not like I was a child this fucking gang man with all these tattoos and he's speaking broken Spanish and I mean broken English so I'm like I can understand him and just the shit he said I went I want to go home dude can we just go back to America now I've never heard anybody in America say that he's like did you hear about souls he said the guy's name goes they found that fool burned up you know they try to blame that on me he's like I never burned well you know how I'd kill a motherfucker I would never burn a motherfucker and I went grandma get me out of here I was waiting for the light to change I went fuck dude I just want to go home and I know that's everywhere America has those guys who I've met them but I can understand the motherfuckers here I just don't speak another language that's fair I think that's all it is yeah you're comfortable here like yo I can hear you shit goes down everywhere oh it does like in Jamaica or where I was I was just gonna bring up my Jamaica story first time there with my lady motherfuckers are wild out there we're we're at like I don't know this like known it got like it went viral this like weed cookie spot or something like oh shit this up the street let's go walk over there we walk over there Jamaican dude pulls up he is missing half his arm and he's got a machete hanging from the other while he's riding on the bike well it newly taken off I don't know if it was new like raw but it looked like it didn't come off for medical purpose like it just looked like that was like oh that's me like he just got a chop he had a machete and you saw no he was riding around the machete pulls up on me and my lady we're smoking and he just looks at me and I'm like and he takes it and smokes it and drives away and I'm like I could have did okay that's exactly you know what I mean that's what I would have did too also it's kind of fun man you're going that's funny you know like you're surviving man there's something I would rather do be at home safe you know but you've been there before you know what it's like right you know you're right like you're right dude when when you're I think the older you get the more all that time at home just blends together and like your memories are made from going out there seeing new people you're you're fully right but damn the machete the machete guy that scared the shit out of us only bad bad interaction in Jamaica man fucking I was on a scooter and a guy came up to me on a car in a car and I was on a scooter and I just looked left this guy's so I went oh there's that night in the middle of the night and he's like do you want to buy some cocaine and I went no no you want to buy some weed I went no and I told you this story he just wanted this okay and turned without looking and just went down another street like Batman he didn't hit nothing he didn't we're gonna fucking 25 one of the more impressive things I've seen dude but I'll say this traveling is cool going to other countries is super sick I just wanted to know the languages man if I could have a little translator with me I go anyway yeah that would be fucking awesome it's a privilege you know and if you have that privilege you should exercise it not everybody gets to see the world it'll change your mind it's cool change your interests going to Mary Jane like really when I went to Amsterdam I didn't realize there was a fucking adult play I didn't know not that the weed and drugs everybody's riding a bike smoking weed yeah my god dude it's like your name is amazing it's like that scene in the Robin Williams movie what dreams may come when he goes to heaven and he's like this is my head I was walking around like this is where I this is where I should move damn I loved it and the sun doesn't go down till 11 at night it was good yeah we it was a vibe out there actually Grant wasn't with us they sell opium I mean they sell fucking peyote plants they sell hella shit there I mean Amsterdam is a rich history of drugs we like in the 90s most of the MDMA was coming from there right don't sell me that I love that stuff I'll do I'll do some MDMA I'm not gonna have a hard time I'll do some of that in a very long time but it used to be big there I don't know if it still is I think they like crack down on a bunch of it but Amsterdam is a very cool city man but like it was so sick dude I would I would advise you to go to the places that the US government has told you is really scary because typically those are places with like really FanDuel is now available everywhere in the US so you can get in on the sports action no matter where you are including these places make this your most rewarding season ever with FanDuel age and location restrictions apply product availability varies by market see FanDuel.com for eligibility gambling problem call 1-800 gambler I have a lot of friends that have houses in Columbia they invite me all the time and I'm like yeah it's in the middle of jungle I don't know about that man I'm good that's I should go I know I should go I'll go one day when you go go have a homie there to translate but you just go to Cartagena we went to a place called Santa Marta and it was I was just like laying in the ocean great you were there right in the ocean whole crew you mean floating all of us that were there was that we're all floating okay like laying in the ocean and like watching in front of us the beaches behind us and we're all watching the sunset while laying in the ocean perfect weather sounds amazing anyways there's sharks boring for people it was like it was sectioned off but like that's what I'm telling you treat yourself man that sounds cool you're not you know like the memories I think are all that matter in the end you should try it anyways I feel like this is privileged talk because today a lot of people can't travel um for sure it's just I don't know Marty doesn't go anywhere either so try not to so much Marty's the same as me dude it's some people are just like I would like to but like I said maybe a chance I talk all that shit meanwhile like I haven't left the country for anything but work oh same here's my only trip this year was to Germany and Amsterdam I believe same as you and like I just stay at the house but like anyways my most meaning some of my most meaningful memories came from like being in new places and meeting new people yeah yeah I would I don't get in the ocean and I got in the ocean and I got a little ski bob from the boat and I went to an island and I had a joint in my hand and I kept it up and I smoked a joint on an island by myself and there was nothing but ocean and that's the coolest thing I've ever done in my life I'll say that yeah I will say that it was the most fucking epic thing I've ever I was underwater I don't get in the water ever anywhere to see school of fish by me what you were like one of those like motorized and you went from like like 50 yards from the boat to like this little island oh okay okay I thought you were going from like one island to another that's scary dog I don't do the water at all I don't go in the ocean but I did travel from the island no it was there and the whole time I'm doing this the whole time ocean freaks me out I can't fucking do it someone got bit by a shark one week in the same spot one week later no thank you it's just too much for me it's just it's like walking into the dark it's like fool someone's gonna punch me I can't see shit way worse just a bunch of stuff in there and then also like holding your breath in the dark being from Coney Island I just like have all these memories of like a gross beach and people getting bit by jellyfish and it just yeah ocean is it's it's not for me yeah it's one thing you can't convince me to fuck with I don't do it I won't gonna do it fuck no you're not gonna hear me push you to do that at all you gotta explore what if I just become a fisherman like come on man you gotta come out to the middle of the ocean with me god bless man I'll feel safe if you feel comfortable that'll make me feel more comfortable I can't do it I'm throwing up on boats it's just not for me like you know you gotta some things are not for you and that's okay thank you yeah no water for me okay one thing I do wanna ask psychedelics what's your relationship ooh um right now poor because I haven't done them um it's been like two years for me too yeah it's probably been about the same um I have a strange relationship with psychedelics I've gotten a lot from it and I've also hurt myself really bad. - Off of? so like mushrooms it was awesome i i i guess i can give like my journey with psychedelics was uh as a teenager i was told like you got to eat an eighth of shrooms to get high so you do that and then you completely tweak out you're like this is the worst thing ever i hate this um your friends will be calling the cops on themselves and shit it's like a nightmare and then i got older and i remember my 33rd birthday or something who's now our chief technology officer avi he's doing mushrooms and he's like you don't like them and i'm like no man he's like have you ever done just a little and i'm like no i've never i've never done just a little he's like why don't you just take a quarter gram and see how you feel and it completely opened me up i'm like this is such an incredible feeling and it had me fall down this hole of spirituality where maybe like i started i've been an atheist for a very long time and i've been in a place of like i don't know what i don't know and yeah mushrooms have given me a ton of that on the other end with acid um i haven't had a good time on acid i ended up taking way way too much on a vacation um it was like day three of the vacation i was doing psychedelics every day and on that third day i did about 10 hits of acid oh my god that's which is insane but on day three it's really only three and a half hits because your tolerance is like doubling um at once uh no it was probably over the course of like six or seven hours um that i did that and you know i had my tweak out i have my like ego death that i i handle very poorly we're like where's roger he's gone my inner voice is gone i don't know how to be here my inner voice is gone sounds fucking scary then don't do acid oh no i like that guy most people that like acid they love when that inner voice goes away they feel a great sense of relief and they feel free it could be cool because i have a i have like ocad real bad for me i panic and i'm like trying to find that person which is fine acid i think they just said that uh somebody whether it was in mushrooms or acid but somebody has alzheimer's was just uh just spoke for the first time after like 13 years it was that mushrooms um all ssris are based on the research of acid what's this uh ssris are all the like uh antidepressant drugs okay all those come from the um so like it is really really it is doing something to your brain that is seen as positive there's a story of a girl who i forgot exactly how it was like she had a bottle go off in her pocket took like a hundred hits suffered from bipolar her whole life they sedated her put in the hospital as soon as she woke up first thing she said to her dad is dad it's gone i don't have bipolar i'm not bipolar anymore first thing she said and like you can't die from acid i'm giving these good parts of the story because my brain is not bipolar i'm not bipolar anymore i'm not bipolar i'm not bipolar mine was very bad um mine ended up being about four scary months of existential panic what it's lasted uh not the high the high was gone the next day after that high was gone after i survived it the next morning i got a drink in my hand i got a blunt in the other hand i'm grooving life's great and then what i found was as soon as i would smoke cannabis and this is starting to get close to that period of covid this is just before covid where i couldn't use it i take a few pills and i take a couple pills off of weed and it'd bring me back to that acid place and what would happen is like my lady would be watching tv and i'd be in the kitchen right behind her and i'm just like cooking myself some food she'd look back smile at me everything's good and she looked like five minutes later and i'm weeping and she's like what the fuck is going on what's wrong and i'm like this isn't real and she's like yeah but you know none of this is real why are you crying about it and i'm like i'm gonna forget i'm gonna forget that i was tweaking i know that in that period there was definitely a moment that came that she was probably like all right if this doesn't get better we're gonna have to figure out what to do and it ended up after about four months it went away it felt like it was triggered by cannabis a lot of those existential panics but i never had them before like i had panic from weed but the panic from weed is like oh my god are the cops coming what do you mean it's not it's nothing you can't get through it wasn't none of this is real and i am in a simulation and i hate that everything that i've always thought was real is just sand slipping through my fingers and after like four months um it went away and like i haven't really done acid since then i've done mushrooms i'm really afraid of that place i would never touch acid again acid you got out of it stay out of it you know probably try a micro dose in the future but i only say this because like when you're approaching any psychedelic substance there's two parts of it i believe one no psychedelics are fun they're fun are not fun like if you're using psychedelics for their intended person look at somebody on ayahuasca look at somebody on ibogaine oh it's all it was awful they're throwing up and shitting their pants they're losing their mind and then when they complete that journey they're describing it as the most meaningful experience of their entire life that is the experience of psychedelics it is not a trip it is a hard-earned journey where you are putting yourself and your brain through really tough things you're dissolving everything you knew about the world and you're kind of leaving yourself out at sea and it's frightening and through that you find yourself and when you come back you appreciate everything that is real and all the relationships you have and all the love you can experience but to get to that really amazing beautiful part usually requires an uncomfortable journey and so for me mushrooms i can get that from but acid biologically for me if i take too much i could put myself into a psychosis so like if you're somebody who you know mushrooms are becoming very popular and chocolate bars are everywhere and acid is also significantly more mainstream than it was when i was younger these are really sacred substances and if you are approaching them with disregard or if you're approaching them without respect you're going to respect it after yeah i think that's what happened with me with my 10 hits is like you thought this was a game but like you have dissolved everything inside of yourself that's tethered to this reality and now you're going to spend the next few months figuring out how to get that back a few months sounds like a nightmare yeah and only when i smoke weed so the thing that i use to help me with everything else is now the thing that's making it more challenging and so yeah i i mean i haven't gone through that exact thing but when i maybe 2014 i was smoking shatter like a lot of us were like everybody was i spoke a lot of uh hardcore the hardcore og oh yeah yeah remember that the shatter not the batter yes the shatter not the batter and uh i was having panic attacks like bad where i was like almost going to the hospital well maybe like eight or nine times i was like get the keys i tell rose like get the keys we have to go right now and i felt like i was having a heart attack and i felt like i was back here and everything was up here and i was i could see everything my body's working but me i was in the back not controlling sure almost like i'm panicking how am i in my own body but i'm not my own body who the am i and i was freaking the so i feel what you're saying there is it's it's a it's like when you're having a bad mushroom trip or you see a movie of a guy starting to lose his mind and slip that's what it felt like to me and i was getting such bad headaches and i was getting like pounding it turns out i had some some infection in my like in my optical nerve that was up my oh damn giving me crazy flashes and headaches but that i've never had besides the shatter and i was having pain i've never felt like i can't breathe am i gonna die i'm pretty sure i'm gonna have a heart attack or is this what a heart attack feels like substances in general man deserve respect i feel like i was going hard i i'm less afraid of cannabis now because i've been through that part where it scares the out of me and that's become a regular part of my experience and i know how to own that but psychedelics for me i yeah i mean like not to say they me up so bad i found god but like some you kind of did some like that or like i don't believe in any conventional you know like abrahamic religion anything um but i feel deeply connected to everything that is not this and that was a really up journey to get there like you can get there through meditation you can get there through reading and like speaking to people who have gone and done that work but like when it comes to psychedelics um i always try to advise people against using it as a party type of thing um it's a better yourself type of thing and usually by embarrassing yourself type of thing i've only gone into it like oh let's do an oil change in my brain the rest of the time i'm like i said it's just to get i want to hallucinate as hard as i can but i do a lot i do a lot of mushrooms at once how much like seven inch grams what yeah me and rosie will do it together like she'll do it and i'll do it so she'll eat seven i'll eat seven but i like going it's been almost a decades as i've done this and i kind of you're taking like terence mckenna heroic disgusting doses right but no sound and my dark pitch black ass room you're a warrior dude it's in it's the most intense thing i've ever ever gone through and i'm not going to talk about everything i've talked about a lot of shit there's some shit i'm never going to share with people publicly that happened because i'm like i think i might be insane i'm not going to put myself out there like that some shit happened like that is not real in this world i must be fucking stupid but i wasn't high anymore so i'm like i know what i saw but i was like i always like leave my body to see my body fly around my town but i would see my actual town so i'm like am i am i tripping or what do you call that is it where is it astral projected oh i so as a kid i i used to do that shit all the time just as my dreams i have lucid dreams as a kid and then um that's it like really there's a lot of weird shit my grandma like has dreams and they come true so i have that shit we've talked about it before but only like once where it's like save my actual fucking life but i've had like uh i have a very weird memory so like if i see something go oh i've been here someone someone's gonna come right now kind of like uh butterfly effect yes or like uh or uh final destination i use it as final destination a lot huh you know what i mean because i've talked about this like i always felt like i was gonna get killed growing up where i was i used to get shot that was like a thing i always had dreams of yeah i talked about it ot i forgot somebody tried to kill me one time i was like 25 i got shot right here by like a homemade like a homemade shotgun somebody came up behind me and popped me in my fucking head like a bb gun no a homemade shotgun like an actual shotgun like how are you alive no the homemade ones you know why they they make you know what that is no okay it's called potato gun you know what that is oh yeah i know potato gun okay but it's full of makes it even more likely that you would have gotten your fucking head blown off but it's full of railroad railroad bbs the bigger ones not the not the uh not the bb bbs but like the balls you know i'm talking about yeah yeah but this fool rode by and popped me but like 12 feet away right so it sprayed the whole place i was at but like when i got hit i'm like oh my god this is it fan duel is now available everywhere in the u.s so you can get in on the sports action no matter where you are including these places make this your most rewarding season ever with fan duel age and location restrictions apply product availability varies by market see fan duel.com for eligibility gambling problem call 1-800-GAMBLER i've had this dream no so i went and touched this all blood and went saxophone so yeah exactly i was like oh this is it for real fuck man and then i and then some girl hit the ground next to me i went oh this is real it's not a dream because i have dreams where like that exact thing happens right was that just random or is that target it was random it was random yeah some it was a long story but uh damn but yeah this little fucker tried to kill me and uh which i dreamt it you saw it coming i didn't see that look because usually i can see like oh there's a gate here's a person here's a guy wearing red here i've been here let's get the fuck out of here only once where i embarrassed myself to that rainbow room where i was like i've been here i've seen this let's get the fuck out of here and this whole table's like i follow you for you're weird as fuck oh my god yeah like something happened that night yeah the fucking fools try to stab some guy all these fucking uh bikers came in so i had a dream about all these i had a dream about the rainbow room and then these fools came in that's not cool if that happened but it's cool oh i left everybody was calling me stupid i left they called me 15 minutes later because everybody was screaming and running out like that's exactly what i had a dream wow but yeah they tried to stab uh this dropout from the i don't say what biker gang but the big ones out here sure yeah i don't even know if you mentioned they came in deep the whole room all the security just you know the rainbow they got some fucking security there i don't know a lot about it oh you've been there before i'm still thinking of like bro took seven grams of mushrooms and developed fucking superpowers oh my god i've had this in my whole life oh since you were a kid i was born i've had these weird ass weird ass like my grandma yeah she has a super power yeah she has a super power yeah she has a super power this weird book in spanish that tells you what your dreams mean like oh my teeth were breaking last night in my dream or somebody kept breaking in my house i was late to an appointment my dream she has this weird book like meaning of all the things you're gonna lose some money or like something or someone's gonna die she's never wrong about that shit damn she says she always has a dream about going to a funeral and seeing the gravestone and then she'd like see the name like that person will fucking die dude it's happened like 12 times now i still can't believe you guys are taking seven grams each oh um it's uh i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know imagine all your imagination the things you see but out because it's black so if your eyes are closed your eyes are open that's all you see so do you experience discomfort when you do this i've never been so tired after something i was literally like oh it's exhausting no completely tense the whole fucking seven hours on my bed i was pouring like there was so much sweat i was going through all these fucking places with these people and talking about rosie and then she had the same trip i did the second night she met that she's like you introduced me to a guy i go what the fuck did you say and like everything i was imagining i don't think i was imagining shit i think i was i don't know i think i was somewhere else dude that's i think your body lead you can leave i mean seven grams is like that's expert level you can leave beyond expert level it's scary i couldn't do it it's scary i think the most i've ever taken at one time you know after i learned how to take mushrooms was maybe three grams maybe and even that's like it gets intense dude yeah it gets intense holy shit all right psychedelic warrior i didn't know that about you i don't do other stuff like i don't do acid because my my aunt's friend freaked the fuck out now she's crazy so i was like oh man may not have all this stay away dmt scares me dude dmt man you done that's dmt was the moment i went from being a hardcore militant atheist like are you fucking dumb why would you think anything exists outside of this to being like how the fuck could i have so much hubris to think i understand what exists outside of this and it's like i i can give you the quick dmt story so like mine was a little where were you though this is another it's funny you're gonna hear a common story of me doing drugs with uh my early stage employees um and friends really um i had somehow come across some dmt that somebody gifted me i forgot who gave it to me and i had it in my house as soon as it came into my life it's it's weird man it has an energy like i think as soon as dmt is near you it it calls you it's very weird i this i think you do what you're describing like people are just gonna see me as weird for saying this stuff no but i guess it's a jumanji exactly exactly jumanji and so like you know it's there you know you don't want to do it but you hear that cabinet open every so often you know metaphorically where you're like something is calling me to this and so i would tell you something that i've been doing for a long time and i've been doing it for a long time and i tell myself what i know about it is that this is the businessman's drug 15 minutes in and out oh i like that term do it quick get the fuck out 15 minutes yeah i love that not 12 hours of an acid trip not a five hour heavy mushroom trip 15 minutes in and out how bad could it be and so it's sitting there and i'm like i talked to avi again our chief technology officer today the wizard who coordinates the or manages the team that does all this and invents a he wanted to do dmt also so one day it's like i don't know 3 p.m in our offices in brooklyn and i'm like fuck it i'm doing dmt dmt avi you want to come and he's like fuck yeah i'm gonna go and then thomas who's still with us in operations he's like can i go too yeah fucking let's rock we our offices were in the basement of a brownstone building and my apartment was on the second floor so we're literally just leaving and going up that's awesome dude i go i have this old hitman glass rig i torch it up with a titanium nail oh wow i i heard that you need 55 milligrams of dmt to fully break through to the other side and so i try to weigh it out but you know i wasn't very good at it it probably was closer to a 0.1 instead of a point is it point adam is it 0.55 or 055 anyways i probably did more than i should have um and i i waited out i up gas and torture i'm like i'm doing this this is happening and like they're sitting there on the couch watching me i'm doing this torch it up i drop it down take the whole dab tastes horrible it's like mothballs but it doesn't hurt your throat the way cannabis does so like it's a very easy inhale but it's a very taste of shit yeah it's a very nasty taste and as soon as i inhale it i exhale and i go to lay down and as i'm laying down i hear the sound of the ac in my house turn into a fractal sound like a repeating sound that gets faster every millisecond and my experience was different than most in that i don't remember the journey i just remember where i went and you don't have like that i didn't go through the mechanical aliens and the elves and none of that happened i just immediately left you don't have like the i didn't go through the mechanical aliens and the elves and none of that this plane and i would describe it as feeling like you're dying you feel like you've there's no connection to your body everything is gone you are effectively dead and i went to this place that i'll ask a question maybe you felt this way before maybe not i get this weird feeling maybe it's like linked to depression but sometimes when i shower and i have like the warm water running over me i have this feeling of missing home but i'm home but i miss home and the home that i miss is maybe like my team age home is what i thought like is it the home that i grew up in but i always get this feeling not always but sometimes in like a warm shower or maybe it reminds you of being in the womb or something I'm like, oh, I have a yearning for this place that I felt safe when I was younger. This was that place. And I described it as feeling like a grain of sand in an infinite cosmic beach. And the feeling of love that is indescribable. The most love you could ever feel. The most you've ever felt. Forget about the happiest moment of your life. Drowning in the feeling of love. What it must feel like to truly be a baby in the womb of a mother that is keeping you absolutely safe. And everything was gone. I was home. It was beautiful. I wouldn't describe it as heaven in any way that it's been relayed to us. But it felt like I had arrived at home in the place where only love exists. And I felt a part of something. Like I'm just this one little thing apart. There's trillions, infinite amounts of whatever I am. All around me. It's like golden sand. I describe it as. And then I remember opening my eyes. And as soon as I opened my eyes, I was filled with some of the greatest grief I've ever felt. Of like, why am I here? Why the fuck am I back here? I was surrounded by infinite love. And now I'm back. And the human experience, which is deeply tethered to suffering. And I'm like, what the fuck? I'm here? Why am I here? And then Avi and Thomas are sitting right there. And they look at me and they're like, three minutes. And I'm like, don't go. Don't go. I just died. I just died. Oh my God. I just fucking died. And as I was coming back to, I was like, eventually, I was like, you have to go. You have to see what I just saw. But like, the feeling I was left with was they say the reason I'm talking about time and everything else is they say that it's a 15 minute high. But I was gone as long as I was before I was born. That's how long I had left this plane of existence for while on DMT. So when I came back, I was literally gone forever. And now I'm back. And now you have this experience where you felt this. This love, not MDMA love, not, oh my God, I feel so good. It's ineffable. It's indescribable. It is, again, just pure, pure, mainlined love. And now I'm back in this place. And I spent forever there. And I'm back in the place where depression is here. War is here. Hunger is here. And it was very sad coming back. But then I had this moment of like, oh my God. There's something. There's something outside of this. And it felt like this thing that's outside of this is untethered to this body. It's untethered to individuality. But it is still the best feeling as a being I have ever experienced. And so DMT, it killed the atheism in my body of now I feel like I just don't know what exists outside of the spectrum of reality. And it filled me with love. And I feel like I'm going to live for at least the next six to eight months. Where like every day I would feel deeply, deeply connected to everything in this like plane of reality. And I still feel that when I think about it. But after eight months, it's six to eight months, it started fading. But DMT is like, it's hard to recommend to people because I think we're a lost culture. We don't have shamans to guide us through this. Yeah. You have to go on like an ayahuasca journey, which you're probably going to go to. You have to go to like Joshua Tree and meet some colonizer type dude who's like appropriating that. DMT really feels like something every human should experience, but only in a way that brings light into their life. And I've seen a lot of people take DMT. I'll give another homie. I won't name drop him. He's definitely watching this episode. His dad either was dying or just died. Had dementia. He was really like struggling existing with his dad. And I told him about my DMT experience. He's like, I got to try this. This sounds fucking amazing. He tries it and he spends five to six minutes just shaking. And when he woke, like when he came back to it, I'm like, what was happening, man? It's five to six minutes. He was like, there are a bunch of mechanical reptiles stabbing me and ripping. Apart my body. And I just kept fighting them. And like one thing a lot of people tell you on if you're if you're taking DMT is you have to die. This is the this is the. I'm trying to warn you. I'm trying. I'm trying. We're doing that shit. But if you are, if you are in a place where you take DMT and you are being attacked by mechanical reptiles, let them kill you. You need to let them kill you. You need to let them kill you because you are going to spend what feels like an eternity. Trying to not die. And I guess the difference between me and him, minus what he was going through and I was going through at the time, was I just fully let go and sunk into the reverend was like, wherever this is taking me, this is taking me. And he resisted the whole time. You didn't have to get killed. What the fuck? What passageway can I take of just blasting off? You don't get to decide that. I would love to. Yeah. It seems like I'm never doing a drug where it's like, it could be the most love you've ever felt. Or the worst. The worst thing ever. But I'll tell you, like, that love, I needed that. Like, I need it too. I don't want reptiles stabbing a shit at me. I mean, some people need that. Some people, some people need to learn to let go. And like, that's the lesson I think he learned that day. Is that a common thing? Has anyone else ever said reptiles were stabbing and killing me? Because if that's the case, I'm never doing this. I'll return to admin. Admin, do you feel like that's a thing you heard? Was that? So you can get in on the sports action no matter where you are. Including these places. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. You gotta die to be born. You didn't have to? What the fuck? I don't remember. That's why I said I don't know what happened between me closing my eyes and me where I went. So it could have been that I. Has anyone else ever said they got stabbed? I've heard other crazy stories. No, that was his. What's the craziest. Wait, wait. I've never heard this part of DMT. Thank you for elaborating and telling me, by the way, it's the worst thing ever before it gets cool. It's amazing. But this is the spectrum of psychedelics. It's like. I'll stick with mushrooms. It's like flying, man. You know? Sometimes you get chopped up in a fucking propeller. You can crash and burn. I just. It's all these things I would approach with caution. That being said, brother, you take seven grams of mushrooms. That was super sick. I've never got stabbed a bunch. Yeah, but you saw some shit. Oh, I saw some crazy shit. What he went through is what he went through. Other people go through other things. I mean, like, did he say he felt? He was. It was a physical manifestation. I saw him. I saw myself and I was. I saw him fighting it. I saw him shaking, tensed up, trying to survive something. I laid there for three minutes without saying a word, dead silent. Just like. Is there strains? I don't know. Is there versions of DMT? I mean, this is isolated. Because he got a bad one, dude. Well, this is like the DMT. He got the prank one. This is not even the ayahuasca. The ayahuasca is going to have you. I'll do ayahuasca. We had someone on here that went to. Where did he go? Peru? That is tougher, just so you know. I've heard. I'll shit my pants and throw up. I don't want to get stabbed. Dog, that's your three. That's your five minutes. Ayahuasca lasts for like eight hours at least. Totally down. Totally down. Do you want to get stabbed? Please do an episode of it. No. You should record it. Oh, yeah. I'm going to be halfway in a river and be like, damn, he's shitting himself. I mean, you know. That's way cooler than me fucking getting stabbed. The worst thing in the world for me is knives. That's why. I'd rather you shoot me in the chest and stab me. You might be confronted with that. That's why I'm like, no, I just want you to stab. It's reptile teeth. They're ripping you apart. It's not knives. I don't want any of that. It's claws and teeth. Yo, how the fuck has no one ever talked about this part of DMT? I mean, these are your. Here's the thing. It's like, imagine I come in here and I'm like, dude, I got the multiverse teleporter. You can go anywhere from here. I'll pick a cool place. But you don't know where you're going to go. I'll stay here. Well. What if we go to dinosaur land? Don't just like. You could. You could go to the place where everybody's blood is boiling, but you never die. You just feel internal burning forever. You can go to the place where you feel internal love forever. And ever and ever. Are you joking right now, dude? That's not a top. My luck sucks. All of you guys will get the cool spot. I'll be like, I haven't even flipped yet, and I already got the bad one. You guys know that. Mind you, I took acid and spent four months being like, nothing is real. No, that's sad. That's such a shitty thing to deal with every day. That's the spectrum of psychedelics. The real problem is we don't have any ancestral connection. to what seems like these substances have co-evolved with us. They've been around for a very, very long time. Acid is bread mold. It's existed for, like that has existed as a compound. I don't know, maybe before humans? What? I'm not even like, yeah, like it might predate us as homo sapiens. What? I think a guy made that shit. He synthesized it. The same way somebody synthesized like THC. So like moldy bread you can get fucking He just isolated it. There was like a story it was in France where like a whole town ate moldy bread and they were fucking tweaking. It's like a story. Somebody's done some content around this. But like there's a story of yeah, everybody was tweaking on acid by eating bread mold by accident in France. But like these things are connected to humans in a deeper way than we hold the knowledge of today. And because of that we're all experimenting. So like For sure. I've been to places you should, they're not real. But are they? If you're taking psychedelics, if you're watching, if you're watching this and you're like bro fucking Thomas is taking seven grams of Don't do that shit. Mushrooms and do that. Imagine you are looking at a teleporter where the spectrum is boiling blood or boundless love. If you want to join it just know. Well you gotta watch Anchorman 2 or Anchorman 1 forever. Yeah. Like one's the worst thing ever one's the best thing ever. It's fair. That's your heaven and hell. Yeah. Damn dude. I've never heard anybody say the worst thing about I've ever heard in my life about psychedelics. This is the scariest thing as anyone's ever said to me. It's awful. Never doing DMT. It's I mean it's also it's as far as drugs go and I'll probably put it up with cannabis. It's been except for cannabis the most impactful drug I've ever taken in my life where it opened a whole new door of you did not think reality was this way but you are dumb and you are wrong. Yeah. And that smacking in the face of how dare you think you can define everything outside of this is nothing. That was a beautiful experience for me. And you got the coolest experience I've ever heard now. I mean it was it's you skipped all the bad shit. It led to a spiritual journey that I'm like very content with I guess how I feel about this place we're stuck in. But DMT gave me that or it kicked off the path there. So I advocate a lot for psychedelics but at the same time we need to hold the knowledge that we've lost about psychedelics to make them really impactful for humans. Otherwise there's psychosis there's feeling like you're getting stabbed there's your aunt or whoever you said took too much acid there's people that smoke way too much weed and have panic attacks. I've seen I've seen the edible psychosis before. The cops right? The cops who ate the weed and then called the police on themselves. Oh they're all in person. I mean in person for sure. Like there's that funny The cops called the cops on themselves. What do you mean? You guys ever see that? They were like They called 911 and said hey we work here. Because they ate weed. On duty or off duty? Off duty at the house. Oh way different. I thought you meant they were like we're in a car and we're fucking losing it. You know like there's salvia. You want to talk about scary? Oh no no no. I will never do salvia again in my life. Salvia REM is purgatory. Nope. Thank you. I'm never going back. I used to smoke it so much. You used to smoke it so much? All the time dude. The first time I ever did it me and my friends got a gas mask with a bong and we taped the bong with a gas mask and we smoked the bowls of salvia. I've never the first time I smoked it was with my uncle John I was in the 9th grade. I smoked it out of a little purple bong because it was like the 80x, 100x, 120. Remember those? Yeah I remember. Yeah. So I'm like dude it's like mushrooms. So we got the 80x and the first time I smoked it that's when I thought I'm fucking 14. I don't know. Why would you do it again? Because it was cool as fuck to the last time. Are you serious? I did it like 30 times and the last time was You don't just become a broomstick that's stuck in place forever? I've had crazy experiences like fun ones sick journeys that I'm like whoa this is at the liquor store? How is this legal? You're leaving the house on salvia? No I'm saying you can buy this at the liquor store? Oh yeah. That's what I meant like how is this possible? Salvia is one of the worst anybody watching this Don't smoke that shit. Just go to YouTube and search salvia trip and watch how people react. Or watch my story time about it when I say don't do this ever in your life. It is yeah. No matter how much I loved it it was so fucking disgusting. Oh dude I was 14 when the first time I smoked it and it felt like my head got real big and then my vision like flew two blocks that way. No I had someone but I was 14. I had someone but I felt my vision went to we know in Grand Theft Auto you press out mode and it goes oh yeah yeah yeah that's what it did to me I went how the fuck am I up here? And I was back in my head and I went this shit is fucking cool as shit. But I was 14 dude like I'm watching movies and going do you want to smoke some shit that makes you trip the fuck? Yes of course I do. Like why wouldn't I? I didn't have mushrooms. Psychedelics are no funny business man. Don't ever do salvia. Don't ever smoke it. Ever smoke it. I've had hardcore co-sign that. Yes. The last time I almost dove into my bathroom in front of everyone. And I don't know why. Everything becomes 2D. Everything is just flat and you're stuck and you just do a lot of the purgatory thing what you said. I was only I wasn't tripping I wasn't having visuals but I remember I by me whoever I am got stuck in my head but I couldn't control like the like I was talking about earlier and and then I remember thinking like I'm pretty sure I'm about to die. Dive into the bathroom head first. And I don't know why my brain said that. No. And I was about to get up and dive through my fucking door like a cartoon. Dude. And then I went and I sat on the ground and then I almost threw up and went throw that shit away and I never smoked it again. Dude. It was the worst. It was. If you tell me some robot guys stabbed the shit out of me I'm not doing YouTube anymore. I'm fucking pissed. I'm doing the DMP over salvia all day. I'm never doing that again. All day. All day. At least then I know like if I'm in that place all you gotta do is just let go. It's Could you imagine let go while you're getting stabbed like alright go. Yeah. Seems like a relief. No. Just finish man. What are you you wanna just come on man. No. I'm just done letting go. Get it over with. Hurry up. Hurry up. Let's get this over with. Absolute worst thing you can tell me. But if you have a fear of stabbing which I think everybody does but I get the like like you're somebody who would rather be shot than stabbed. I just don't like being stabbed. Have you been stabbed? No. Yeah. A little bit but not that crazy. A little bit. It was a pencil so that's not that crazy but it went into my fucking body so it's different. That's fair. But I don't know what it is about someone going yeah I'm gonna just cut straight through your whole body like yeah but throw the fuck up. You might like DMT. I hope I didn't like fuck I just I feel like 100% I'm scared now. I advocate for it for a lot of people and they fall in love with it or like this sounds amazing and I think I don't do enough of being like this is serious business like you gotta approach this with a lot of thought and you're gonna have some fears and chances are I mean you might manifest getting stabbed now because you're obsessed about it but it's probably not gonna be that. It's probably gonna be some other scary shit. I hope to God it's like dude you're Bucky Lassick it's 1998 skate skate on like sick. I also don't know if they were stabbed like I don't know that they had knives they might have been clawing at him if that makes you feel better. That's totally way better because that's what dinosaurs do. It was probably clawing. That's fine. They probably don't have knives in the DMT right? That's what I'm thinking like reptiles with knife capabilities I'm fucking out of here dude. Yeah. But getting clawed that's just regular life like with animals they claw you. Yeah that's true. But animals with knives dude I'm fucking out of here. Now I'm fine I gotta be honest now I might try DMT if you say that. Yeah. Check in with me. It's uh let me know what he said just don't lie to me. It's uh over I mean DMT is so short ayahuasca it's the same thing at least as intense for a much longer time. Sounds funny. Sounds funny. I mean you're built for it dude at seven grams you are as far as people I've met you have consumed the most cannabis per set mushrooms per session of anybody I've ever met in person. Oh. Ralph Barbosa he did 12 but he went into psychosis for like fucking two days. Yeah I mean 12 fucking grams bro. It sounded horrible. No that I'll never do. What he experienced purgatory is a real place you can fucking get there. Interesting. Oh yeah. Yeah I mean he what he described what Ralph Barbosa described not me fuck no I have fun on mushrooms. I don't know. He was freaking out so bad he was like thinking he was gonna get the cops called out he was running up and down the hallway naked. Why did he take 12? He's like I just like to I don't get even fucked up. Oh so he's like a pro user like he's like yeah I like to take mushrooms a lot. I don't know I think that's it's got to be control. No no. No thanks. That's like chugging a couple bottles. I'm sitting here like I can't take a half gram I got shit to do today. Like guy we know he'll take four grams and do his set at the comic store. Damn. Dude. On stage. I know Josh so well that when he's on stage he's too fucked up he'll do that a lot. And then he'll come back. He's such a pro but you can see when he spaces out and goes I'm about to get blasted off I'm performing. And you can see when he comes back to life it's really interesting to watch because he'll do our show and go I got a show in about two and a half hours and he's just eating mushrooms. The only time I had a bad trip in my life on mushrooms was in this room during an episode and I had a bad fucking trip and I've never had a bad trip. That's crazy that you have such a good relationship with mushrooms. I like them. They're fun. Acid might really not acid DMT might be the shit. Yeah. Watch them in the Silver Surfer doing cools done. You're not watching anything brother. You're you have like if you so I always advise people to close their eyes when they'd be doing it with me it's like just close your eyes and whatever you experience just let it take you. just like flow into it. - Oh, on the mushroom. dmt oh um but they what a lot of people experience is like circus like colors so everything just becomes mad colorful and not to say neon-y but like shifting in colors in this crazy depth you might love it everything every story i've ever heard about dmt has been fun except for people like i was gone for three years like that's scary um i didn't hate being gone i like being gone it was it was wherever i was made your shit sounds amazing dude it felt like there's something outside of this that is better than this yeah which was cool i feel like this level is the video game level like you're gonna experience physical pain on this level next level is enlightenment i feel like we're like man it was if you die you don't do it start level i'll be tuning in for that episode when you do it and tell everyone about it for sure i'm very very curious we'll see i'm a little scared i gotta be honest though dude just you at seven grams of mushrooms you're fine dude those are mushrooms i feel like that's a whole i mean seven grams of mushrooms i feel like i'd be in psychosis it's like really really tough we'll see okay drugs that was drugs that was great that was epic cinematic what a storyteller goddamn yes locked in thank you it's a long time it's been a long time so i looked down and went i haven't talked in a while this is amazing oh damn it's the dabs no when someone's telling a story and i don't talk it's because i'm like yeah this is a good story man no i love i love that's what this whole fucking show's about lovely stories dude i hope yeah so another story yeah how did puff go get started man here's the journey start us off not on the i think this would be cool and me and my home like yeah like no not not do it start us off that way how did you do it was it in a garage you said you know be sick because you know how many times i've asked people that invented things or did a company go that's exactly what the fuck i did i was in the garage my friends like you know be really cool and i sketched some shit up and then we got it that's how i started push trees we're smoking a joint on the fucking bench i'm like haha take a picture of this that was it i thought it'd be funny and then somebody's like that's a good design that's all that happened i give a very simple story so i'll start i'll start with the can story i've said forever it's not like i've ever lied about my story i just there are parts i never got into um i am batman that's what we're about to hear yeah actually i've never told anybody yeah yeah i'm a billionaire who beats up drug dealers right that's that's isn't that batman you imagine that's what batman is just batman in mexico right now that's why i'm like he's the batman from mexico just a billionaire just whomping on drug dealers um yeah so the story i would typically tell people is that um in 2012 i got put on to or 2011 um i got put onto wax pens and i put a lot of my friends onto it and a lot of my friends wax pens and especially you kind of know the company that i was at the time i don't want to like throw them under the bus they would break and they wouldn't work very well and so one of my friends was like dude you're really passionate about this why don't you try to do the same thing that's been the story that i've told forever and the main reason being is that if i feared that if i were to tell the true origin story of puffco that i wouldn't be able to hire brilliant people because they wouldn't want to work with a former weed dealer which was you think people don't think you guys sold drugs i i i mean maybe like me every motherfucker that owns a company's like yeah i should sell fucking weed these days but like you know things changed for me when i hired avi who's now our cto he was our lead engineer when he started he was coming from like majorly backed startups in new york cannabis is very stigmatized it's not like here in la oh so to be like hey man we're legit we're just you're a drug dealer i see you're a drug dealer i see you're a drug dealer i lost friends like when i first so what puffco was born out of was as the first time i'm saying these words publicly uh is i had a serve in the city and and by that you mean you sold a little trap spot uh because i've never heard that i say that it was a delivery service um that would get people you know like some products to their home trying to be i'm still walking on eggshells with even though i probably don't need to that's what you did for a long time ago yeah but i you know again this is like 2011 so we're talking 15 years ago almost at that you know they can't even charge me for this anymore and i've had arrests for cannabis i've had you know felony arrests for cannabis that were tied to this that i just always skated around admitting that there was a serve and in that serve eventually wax as we called it at the time made its way into it and i had to find a way to sell people concentrates and they didn't know how to use it i didn't know how to dab in 2011 and so in 2012 came i started selling what was a widely popular uh wax pen at the time selling it by just like buying it for a couple bucks off of retail and just being able to make the money by getting a consumer you know some constant now they got a pen they'll buy more wax and then every time i would get them the pens they would break and so after a lot of this happening a homie of mine was like bro you sell a good amount of these you put on everybody we know in new york onto these wax pens why don't you try to make your own wax pens and i was like i don't know i don't know why don't you try to make your own and i didn't know anything about it i was filled with a ton of ignorance if i knew how hard it was i wouldn't have taken on that journey um but i said yeah why not and that's kind of what kicked off the journey and i know it sounds weird to people like one that's such a stupid detail if anything it's it's validating right to walk around the space and be like well i come from cannabis i'm not some like just business person i've been with cannabis my whole life and i've actively participated participated in the cannabis economy long before puffco the reason why is i could not hire people so like uh after i hired avi i knew i always knew two things to be true i am a complete fucking dumbass but there are really smart people out there that can do things that i never could and i just have to bridge myself to those people and avi was one of the first ones i was able to find of i have these ideas that i can't do anything with can you help me get them in a way where they could turn into real products once avi starts i'm like well i we need other people we need industrial designers we need customer service people and i need a recruiter for this so avi went to the company he he he was just with they had a really good recruiter this company was filled with designers and engineers and she made it all the way through to the interview process and right after we sent her the offer letter she called me up and she's like i can't do it i'm like what happened i thought everything was good she's like my parents said they'd be really embarrassed if i work for a company i can't do it i can't do it i can't do it i can't do it i can't do it i can't do it i can't do it and then when finally we were like being in new york is really holding us back concentrates are illegal here even a little bit as a felony we can't get any good not to say we couldn't get any good employees but when we were reaching for really smart consumer tech people which is who i was trying to hire it was falling flat they would consult for us and take advantage of us and like waste our time waste our money and then as soon as i put up a job post i was like oh my god i'm hosting in la i got an application from the first operations employee at beats by dre who was there all the way through to their sale for apple oh shit so i went from like i'm too embarrassed to work for your company to we've built a multi-billion dollar consumer tech accessory company that's sold to apple and that was it forced me to just be like i'm not going to tell people about this even avi who i was doing dmt with and mushrooms with i only like came clean to avi of like you know this started from a serve three years ago like puff has been doing this for 13 i see what you're saying though so like for me i i i always wanted to be the leader they needed and that leader was never a former drug dealer in their minds and that's hard for a california mind to comprehend but in any other state or in most other states um it held me back these days i'm not embarrassed by it i've already told like all the important people in my life i think anybody would hear about it like okay we don't see you as like any worse um but that's something i never said publicly that like puff co was actually born out of a surf my biggest fear because i i gave myself a different name at the time which i won't say publicly my biggest fear is somebody's gonna be like seeing a video of me and be like that's that motherfucker x that would show up in my fucking house oh use a different name with an eighty dollar eighth and like i can't get i can't get i can't get into the war i mean it's no that's that's like yeah eight or eight that's new york you want it every time i think of that i think of half-baked like the guy pulling up like that was me yeah that's why i imagine like new york like yeah everybody knows about weed there everybody smokes weed that's how i imagine watch half-baked that's my only weed new york shit i've ever seen it was uh ever not that half-baked in any way was tethered to reality but like that was it man i'd ride around the city there were points where the serve got bigger than me anyways i don't know what to say or can't say because that shit but like but my former life yes and i the moment that i stopped was um right before our first product came out i was having like nightmares every day about ending up in jail and i wasn't like big time dude every trapper you know was moving so much more work than me every single one you've probably ever met in your life one of my friends like that is from new york when he came like that's the same dude like oh that's where you're getting this fucking wax i gotta see yeah i'll tell you who it is you know exactly who it is but um yeah that's how i knew ago really they got fired i'm curious but like yeah man it's um anyways oh old part of my life probably not that interesting to people but probably not that interesting to people with drugs everywhere on this fucking set I mean it was it was a time man I look forward to maybe the day that it's like 20 years behind me and I can tell any story but like I've yeah any business I've run has always like valued the customer really valued the employees the safety of the employees and like has always in some way been tethered to cannabis but anyways yeah I figured out if there was any place to at least perfect well this is the thing people some people know about me the people that are closer to me at least it's such a wild way to have to think because it's so frowned upon back then that's insane to me that people like you used to sell yeah motherfucker a lot of people you sell drugs yeah but I'm hiring people that are used to working for like for corporate places oh I get it yeah I'm like you're in a different you're in a different spot and then like the friends I grew up with when I said I'm gonna sell weed there's a story that I told a bunch this is my homie since I was five years old and I eventually told him like bro I'm turning I'm looking at 30 I'm unhappy with my life like I'm gonna take selling weed professionally man like I just want to do something I enjoy and this is a thing that just doesn't hurt anyone man I'm not selling something people don't like like this is a win win win win win he was like you're gonna sell drugs ooh he doesn't want weed I'm like dude it's it's just weed now he's he's kind of straight edge and I saw him a year after that and again Puffco was barely even a thought yet and I'm in the city and I seen like oh my god yo what's good and he immediately is like wrong with my co-workers you need to walk and leave and again like that it's it's in 2012 in 2012 for people who are not recreational drug users cannabis cocaine heroin are indiscernible from each other and the view I've had of myself which I think has been overall positive is I have seen myself as less than every employee that walked through Puffco's doors that's a good like I have to prove to you I am NOT a fuck-up drug dealer I'm somebody who can take us where I'm promising we'll go and so I've always had the sensitivity and this need to prove myself now I understand why you didn't really talk about it because if you're hiring people that are like my fucking parents know that you're a drug dealer that interview like you did this ten years ago I'm saying if that's what they would find out yeah you know so like it's double a double down we're not in that reality anymore now and now you know it's probably a bragging right but mmm if any of my team are watching this like the executive team we have the management team we have there are so many brilliant people and I I consider myself the luckiest person in the world because I'm just some idiot who changed what he enjoyed doing and I have met the smartest people I've ever met in my life who are all joining me on this journey it's been amazing like best-case scenario for somebody who had a serve in 2011 yeah I can't imagine any higher outcome than what I've scaled it up so big the LA office and the whole team it's a hundred it's over 150 people now I like your guys's headquarters like nobody can go in this room there's just scientists oh yeah that's the best part about the office dude that makes me so happy yeah yeah no one can go on there most people don't know it's like Willy Wonka shit no there we have like fake lungs testing our vapes we are like fake lungs we have a machine we have a machine that's like like lungs it doesn't look like I was managing I mean we could probably do that like like you know just to make it a bit more appealing but we're measuring everything we're measuring the particle size of vaporize of the vapor that you're getting we don't do a good job at marketing this but like there's a reason puff goes in the place that it is and I think a lot of people think it's because our marketing is so amazing puffco is putting in the technological work we have I think over 17 over 20 patents I forget how many so many other ones filed of all things we invented that were never done before and that happens in a big I don't call like a laboratory but that's what it is just between if you remove operations the people who go and take all the designs and then actually go and get the product made which is at least as hard as designing we have 20 25 30 people all on the development of a new product Jesus every day they're just working on new Technologies maybe new designs between our industrial designers are all all the engineers we have mechanical electrical it's not something people see which I feel like we have to tap them into I think at least at a certain point people assume that we just order from a catalog and we're like oh yeah oh we'll take this and you know can you make it in a maybe a purple to orange color but like this thing I don't think so I think you guys are the only one of the few that you're like yeah they that's theirs I I I hope so I don't really you don't see like you see you see other e-rigs but none of them are you can't really copy that a lot of a lot of those companies don't have engineers or designers so they're going directly like they're pretty much going to a factory white labeling stuff and there's something in between white labeling to like co-designing with people who do not consume cannabis but in our company we have rooms just for consuming cannabis we have room where a machine can consume cannabis we have a ton of 3D printers we're like if we have an idea our team is immediately like how long until we can try it and like making something within a week and it sucks because we can't pull people into that experience because it's always the things that come in the future but I'm trying to get better and put it out after that's that's literally that is literally what we're doing now we got to start at the beginning of the journey and show people yeah show the whole thing um so yeah question these fake lungs what hash are you wasting oh I mean we're putting everything in there like everything from it has to be hash um uh it's everything from BHO to rosin I don't know if they tested water hash on it but distillate like we there's a lot of complicated things happening here that most people don't realize like when you look at driving a car you're thinking of like if you're somebody who knows how to drive a car balancing the whole car to work better for you and like smart cars or some electric cars they'll do a lot of that they'll slow down for you they'll correct a lot of what you need this is a complete balance of how hard you're inhaling how much you're putting in there where the oil is going how hard you're inhaling matters how hard you're inhaling is completely going to affect your experience like some people say that the help me what am I doing wrong am I am I up so on a proxy some people say the mouthpiece gets too hot it's a very small amount of people that are saying that and it's specifically because of the way they're inhaled we've designed it so like 95 percent of people that are going to inhale this are never going to experience a hot mouthpiece you see me raging this here it has never gotten too hot for me to hit but if you're hitting it a certain way what's the wrong way um it's hard to describe to people we typically say low and slow but you don't have to do that with our products now we're designing them so you could hit it as hard as possible I hit the shit out of this you probably aren't using this as much right if you're I've hit it before does the mouthpiece get hot for you it did because of how you're hitting it what was I doing wrong hit it too hard just hit it lighter that's it I you'll get sure everything you oh yes you apply that wrong much vapor but like that's okay I got a good cloud though we like that we like the challenge of trying to get it to a place where for 99.9 percent of people it'll work but that's on us that we can't look at the user and say you're hitting it wrong we can only say damn we didn't design it specifically for people like you but the next one will be no I'm like hell no that's my fault just be like hey low label low and slow 3d Excel was we made the 3d chamber originally for the OG proxy but we ended up releasing it for the peak Pro before the proxy came out and then we got to the 3d Excel but that was just studying hash like the magic of the 3d and the 3d Excel as well is it is vaporizing where your hashes went in motion so like the reason we don't have bottom heating is as soon as you inhale is there any oil on the bottom no no it's gonna be split me to be going to the sides why would we want your oil to be heating while you're not using it so we stopped putting or we didn't put any bottom I guess we used to do bottom heating we didn't put it there and we put on the side specifically because the thought was it should only be vaporizing your oil while you're hitting it and it should be doing barely anyone you're not puddles but doesn't burn burn like that that balance for people it's just where we are today people don't care about the tech that goes into it they just want a really good experience but you notice it on the back end we are studying this we have like a lot of our head of R&D comes from like the lab space he's a real scientist like the people we have are not stoners that are doing their best to make designs they are incredibly talented product people most of which but not all of which consume cannabis we have people that are like maybe an electrical engineer and they're like no man I'm just coding all day I don't need to consume cannabis and we see them as a brilliant coder but most people don't care about the sausage making of these but there is real real tech of why this works so much better than most things on the market and not for a hundred percent of people right some people consume in a different way and a slurper is going to be the only thing that works for them or something else that's the only time I've heard people say that they didn't like these and it's got to the point where you don't say that's the peak you know how many it's usually Mexican fools but they're like oh what's up you got a Puffco even if it's not a fucking Puffco or a Peak it could be a fucking Ben it's not a Puffco a Puffco because that's synonymous with E-Rig now I take that as such a compliment it's a good one that's a good thing I think honestly when I first started it's OG the first time the first pen we came out with everybody was like bro sick G-Pen and every time we'd show up anywhere they'd be like dude that's in 2014 they were the big guy so for me to like be in this place where people see what we do is so iconic that they'll call similar things by the same name highest praise for it because it you know it hurts when you're early in your career like bro nice G-Pen and I'm like fuck I designed the shit out of this it's not a G-Pen man I made it and no I get it okay so tech going in I've seen you guys you guys are scientists you're doing cool shit question do you smoke a lot of ice hash and melt out of these I I gotta be real I would smoke so much water hash and these days my stash is kind of low I just haven't been able to travel a lot I have some great water hash from feel good I think water hash personally is like you know the most elite way to consume but it's intensive it's more of a clean up even if it's six star it's a lot if you go too hot you ruin the dab yeah meanwhile if you go too hot with rosin it's still fine like you'll be okay it's my absolute favorite thing in the world it is really fickle but I do love water hash it is it's for it's like making eggs benedict and shit it's like oh you don't fuck it up exactly you gotta be very delicate but I love it it's just not something for the mainstream to me it's for people who love cannabis so much that they would take a really fragile experience just to get that one chance of having something so amazing but I personally prefer water hash out of our devices over a nail only because I have so little chance of burning it like if I'm hitting it in a nail you know what that makes a lot of sense I don't I didn't do it just because I said what if I get all the soot inside bitch to clean you know I don't want to wreck my it was a brand new atomizer so I don't want to fuck it up if you're gonna be smoking water hash you probably should have extra chambers on deck not because they're gonna break extra chambers not because they're gonna break just because this shit's going to it's going to get gunked that's so prepared I would never think it'd take an extra chamber I would sit there and fucking try to clean it every single time again if you are a very delicate user you know that you're going to hit it you're gonna hit it lightly you're not gonna have it spill over but if you're somebody that's not you you're gonna rage it and you're gonna make that a fucking mess sometimes I do do you like water hash it's my favorite thing in the world it is whose water hash are you smoking dude I found there's the one with the wave on it oh man I know this dude bro keep it coastal coastal keep it keeping it coastal bro I cannot this dude is great hash sour diesel from him was so good fire I just can't really find it it's elusive he is very elusive I have tried it bugs me I'm like bro I will post the fuck no he doesn't do a lot and by the way I've never asked anybody for free anything so I want to buy everything and it's like where the fuck are these guys oh it bugs the shit out of me that there's another one with like a dragon head on it like a dragon kush keep it kushy steady kushy steady cushion I don't know this one I might have to try fuck damn now you make I should have brought I have a nice jar of water hash I just didn't think you'd be smoking it man it's my favorite thing in the world good to know oh my god yeah but it fucking ruins my alcohol bucket in seconds yeah hash hash community we gotta get yola some good I'll buy it that's the worst like the thing I can't find it so like the one you have to try if you liked keeping it coastal is yashi melts yashi melts is an incredible hash maker but she's also running the genetics of kush kirk who I believe is like I know they're sharing in a lot of the genetic stuff I believe kush kirk is like a museum of sour turps he is collected so much he's preserving everything he can and when you get a yashi melts jar it is pure gold it's not white it is literally yellow perfect water hash she's out of southern oregon and then shout out to pua also oregon to me is like they're still obsessed with water hash and you can usually get it from the goats there other places don't matter as much so if you ever go to oregon you should do like a little meet up in oregon they'll come to you man hey meet me here let me buy shit that sounds so sketchy that's how it works with hash makers with hash makers we don't want to say where I went or who we were talking about but I mentioned where I would have to go to get some very elusive flower and hash and it was a six hour round trip from LA again I was doing that in 2019 I'm not doing that today but even now if I want the best hash you talk to a hash maker and I'm like bro I'll post it I'll tell everyone he's like brother I'm sold out that's the problem with those guys we're selling out everything we're doing make more they can't it's not that they can't it's that they're not them anymore like if you want us to make more then we just become every wreck company there is don't be a dickhead and make make more hash I mean no no no just make a different flavor make your five I wish it was that easy bro just do a different fucking straight make more hash is a good national ad campaign make more hash yeah I like that it's a good bumper sticker I usually say smoke more hash but you should make that sticker make more hash because I can't smoke more hash if there's not more fucking hash there's a lot of them man you know what PuffCon is gonna be a great place of like the only problem is when I had the booth I couldn't walk around and get anything yeah shout out to also Hidden Forest Farms out in Maine they've made some incredible incredible water hash I don't know if you've tried their stuff no I haven't but I've had the only three things I've made are amazing where's the culture cup in Maine what bro you should go and judge are they taking judges no I don't even know he's like shaking his head I have no idea he looked down disappointed there is well there is a culture they call it culture cup it is some really incredible hash heads that put it together and they are running a hash competition there I might even go there this year I'm just trying to see if I have the time if it lines up but again I don't even want to travel man traveling is okay with me go out to Maine have some lobster in America I'm fucking chilling that's fine I'm going to leave tomorrow go to Maine have some lobster and if you go to Maine especially if you can get to the culture cup you're going to see all the best water hash like there's especially when you go to now that I know this about you I'm going to connect you with more especially when you're in like Europe and stuff I didn't know you were into it like that that's a very elite thing to be into when we were in Germany when I met up with you guys and we smoked I still one of the best joints I ever smoked in my life and not just because you're here it was I've never seen so much fucking it was so that water hash you had was so fucking white and powder oh no it was rosin it was it looked like fucking drugs it was white you had that jar you put the whole jar in that joint and then you mixed up all the was it a spliff was it what's about no no no remember you're like I'll just roll this with no tobacco for you and then we smoked in front of the hotel but it was I have it on camera it was so white you could see it through it it looked like sand in a paper and it burned perfect and that's when that's what OG does he grinds it all and just mixes it that's one of the better joints I've smoked in a very long time I mean people aren't going to be happy like with me saying it but my favorite thing to do is to get an amazing jar of water hash and half of it goes into a peak and then the other half of it goes into a joint so I'll dab it and I'll let it go dry because it has to fully dry out to like a not pietella but like that dry type of water hash once it's like sandy sift and then I just dump it into a joint and just sit there blasting off that's the only time I've ever done it I do rosin I've done all that I've never done water hash I do not like rosin in the weed in my joints no I like donuts but they are harsh they're just they're harsh they burn a little bit I always feel like my throat hurts afterwards but when I'm smoking that water hash and a joint I feel like fucking Tony Soprano I just remember it burning really slow and the fact that it was burning like that with that much hash in it was very shocking to me yeah that's that's how it go now that I know your preferences I'll work up some good treats for you next time I see you for sure thanks I brought this for you to try this is a do you know Mendoja have you heard of Mendoja I've heard the name yes he's probably one of the better growers that a lot of hash companies use and this is one of his better Z from Tricadelics do you like Skittles yeah this is you should give that a shot okay let's try that so as far as like entrepreneurship and business type stuff growing businesses is there any books or anybody that you listen to that you'd recommend for people oh man yeah there's there's a book I haven't read these in a long time so I have to like kind of see how it aged but he was my CEO inspo very early on and that was Tony Hsieh H-S-I Tony Hsieh was the founder of zappos if you remember zappos.com uh they ended up being bought by amazon and if you just the delivering happiness was the name of the book which was extremely focused in like customer service there was a moment where everybody knew zappos is like the best customer service of any company you could just call me can you order me a pizza and they would do it like they were sick his story is really really amazing unfortunately um r.i.p to him he ended up falling into a bad seemingly ketamine habit oh my god like dying in a fire um it was really fucked up but the dude and the community he built were so amazing he moved his company out to vegas he took the entire lot that the company was on and put trailers on it and he lived in an airstream in their corporate campus and built housing for their employees the dude really cared about his customers about his leaving on them he was really in service of everybody around him again i hope that that's the impression i got left with on the book from the book um but delivering happiness that was one of like my og inspirations in the company i would reference it a ton to other people like you have to read this this is the relationship i want the consumer um that was probably one one of the early stage business books um i consider myself to be a not a bad businessman uh like i'm not a bad businessman i am not necessarily chasing profits um i oh yes i don't have i don't have any investors right so i don't have a shareholder to impress i don't have to go and be like all right yeah puff con is going to lose us four hundred thousand dollars this year and that's like that's after whatever money we make from puff con we are down every year hundreds of thousands of dollars but it's the experience try to convince a board or like anyone who only cares about how much money you make if that makes sense and they're going to say no dude there's no fucking money in this you're saying we can have an extra four hundred thousand dollars this year if we just don't do this yeah we're doing that but like the decisions i make are tethered to does this provide a value to my consumer to my employees to my community if the answer is yes and it doesn't put us out of business we'll do it and i feel like that is not how capitalism works that's not how business people teach you to do things so i don't really have like a lot of business books that's why delivering happiness is the one that remained because it wasn't teaching you how to do business it was teaching you how i don't want to say to lead people but be in service of people whether it's like consumer or employee or anyone um it's a little bit weird um but yeah i feel like i don't have many like entrepreneur friends like if they're an entrepreneur friend they're doing something like what you're creating and they happen to be self-employed yeah but like i'm not homies with like a bunch of other ceos and like i mean you probably are but then they would call themselves to be like i own this company i started it i guess i am this fucking ceo it's those kind of guys that yeah because somebody said you're the ceo yeah i mean i made the company like ot is probably a ceo of his record stuff of all the things he's doing but like he's not a ceo thinking how can i extract all the value from my employees and make sure that i make as much money as possible i mean sometimes i wish i had like a 20 mindset of that a little because i do some stupid shit and i like how much do we make how much we spend fuck you really all of it fuck all right it was fun everybody loved it and i'm like oh yeah we didn't make any money this year because we spent it all doing this but it was cool great fuck yeah and when i did business i paid my rent sick that's how i did everything for push trees for 10 years in my mind it's it's worth it you yeah you have to do to keep the doors open which means that you're not delivering something for free right like you can't it's not a charity this business has to make sense to keep people employed to keep making new things beyond that we're not trying to extract as much as we can from people and that's why i'm not friends with like other ceos or business types like early in my career i met with investors because people were pushing me like no no these people will supercharge you and every fucking conversation grossed me out we're like we don't think the same i'm trying to make something cool people want so i can have the opportunity to do more cool things people want and they'd be like you're stupid bro yeah how are you gonna make any money yeah that's not that's not my algorithm like we're gonna make money no matter what it'll work until it doesn't i'll do something else and that's you know god bless now obviously i have like a cfo and they make sure that like we'll never run out of money um but yeah it's i really like to be a part of it i really like to be around artists and creatives and those people typically take very good care of their people because they're friends they're family they're people that they're coming up on the journey on they don't see them as disposable like everyone around you are people that are close to you you're not going to mistreat them because it's deeper than just the professional relationship that's how i feel about every employee which is a little weird but i feel like i'm part of your team i owe them more than i owe an employee in the united states i owe them the respect and the comfort of anybody on this journey of anything i would expect for myself i should expect for them and i feel like it's the same for you right like yeah you want everyone here to be comfortable you don't want somebody to go and leave here and sleep in their car just so they can show up and yeah let's just say but jeff bezos doesn't give a bro like those ceos they don't care who's sleeping in their cars so again i'm not by no means am i saying i'm one of the good ones i'm just saying i don't identify with that way of thinking about business um yeah makes sense yeah i still i wish i had a little bit of that because sometimes i make some very poor decisions yeah but it's never like because i bought something cool it's always like we made it like i dropped this price on our shirts because don't have money right now it's bad i didn't get it cheaper yeah and i actually went up a dollar fitch you know i'm like i lost 650. okay yeah run it for another year and we'll figure it out yeah i mean it's a business problem for you to solve but i believe there's always a solution there man and it feels good right it feels good to drop your prices well it helps out i remember what it's like going on east bay and dr james and all right i have how many weeks okay i got to make that much money but if it was five dollars cheaper i would have bought it of course i was trying to buy lrg shirts when i was a kid that was sick to see for you man to see the official oh the drop with them yeah that was cool that was like knowing like where you started in your journey and like i think you also you know like you have your own past of being in the cannabis game and it's yeah very very cool to see oh i think just yesterday in the video yeah i was selling of course all those packs on instagram i was selling i just started talking i said it yesterday in a video because i was like nah i smoke this is my stash you denied it for a long time i died for 12 years of course yeah you can't smoke 100 pounds this month that's ridiculous you know i was you're stupid you just don't smoke a lot god i gotta say that i'm a liar that's the only thing i've ever lied about like yeah i was definitely i'm on another trip to see my family like no i'm selling packs that's why i'm in san francisco yeah and people want you to snitch on yourself you know yeah they're just like no you're not you're making them like like no what do you know you know my life of course you don't know exactly what i'm doing i was in l.a last night i'm in san francisco back in l.a i'm making a stupid run i didn't sleep do you i just did it for the drive do you miss that life or do you think i don't miss uh waiting on people you can't leave town i don't miss uh i sold to my friends and people i like so i was fronting 80 people at once all the time because like i don't get my check like i got you don't trip dude how am i all my shit's gone i would do it all the time or like front one person every week so they never really paid me for years they're my friends i'm not going to be like no you can't have weed i have i have you know i'm not gonna be like i have i have no it's the bad part it's hard to say certain things but like i remember from back in the day man the dopest people take the l you know always because like you're gonna have up homies and then whose fault is it for giving uh ten thousand dollars on the arm to a dumb ass you know you already knew it's not coming back you're already new so what are you going to do chase it no what are you getting let it happen you let it happen tony soprano you're gonna go and break heads for it no no just there's a loss take the l if you ever pay me back fucking badass thanks yeah if you don't you'll never see me again because you don't want to see me because you owe me money yeah yeah exactly oh do you know how many people i don't see anymore ever again because i'm like it's the worst though here man and i'm like wow i know i'm never gonna see you again it's happened so many times to me i have like five friends i had like 50. you know what i mean yeah yeah at one point in my life where there's like oh you'll be running you're never coming back but yeah that's that's okay if you still got five solids in your life man that's that's like yeah no we see each other every like so often but don't miss the game you're not like oh no i miss uh i miss sacking up like 10 aids a couple quarters the sandwich bags that you like unfold and i see a little half zip perfectly just playing with weed i just love seeing going i made 60 bucks here i made 80 bucks i don't know what it is about it's a video game for me when people like your gamers that's my gamer because i have ocds on my oh perfectly aligned perfectly aligned eights are in one spot ten oh let's go it's such like an honorable job too i love it so much it really is to me If I had two favorite jobs in my life, how could I say that without Puffco being one of them? I've had three favorite jobs in my life, I guess. Like, Puffco obviously wins. But if there are two things that were just pure peace and enjoyment, it was, one, delivering pizzas. That's my other one. Let's go. Smoking fucking weed. That's my favorite thing in the world, dude. It's amazing. Like, it is the freest you'll ever, I mean, again, I was with my parents at the time. So, like, I feel like you need some stability there. And then dealing weed, man. At the same time, right? People are happy when they see you, even if they're mad when you're late. No one's ever been mad at me. Even if you're late, whatever it is, you light them up. They're so happy. And what are you doing? You're going and checking out a bunch of different weed. And you're playing with it, looking at it, putting it into little things. There was something about that job that felt so innocent. It's the most fun I've ever had in my life, is being able to smoke bowls on my knee, drive on my knee, delivering pizzas. It's the most fun. The image of, like, a weed dealer and some people take on this persona is, like, of a gangster. And it's so nice. It's such an honorable, friendly job. I mean, in Europe, they're kind of G'd out in Europe. I'm shocked to hear that you just said that. I thought, if anything, they'd be, like, a little more docile. I feel like if you meet somebody from London and they're a weed gang. Oh, you're right. You're right. They're a little grimy. Not to say they're G'd up. Not very grimy. But, like. The ones I knew. They play in the dark arts. Isn't that crazy? You're right. English dudes? Because, like, that shit's frowned upon. If you fuck with that, you're down. It's very illegal. I knew. I won't say where he modeled. I knew a fucking, like, one of my friends. He's a, like, I'll just say runway model. He's a known dude. You're probably giving away too much, but okay. Yeah, I'll just say that. He's, like, a pretty dude. Okay. He used to sell so much fucking weed over there. And I remember he came over here for the first time. And he got an Airbnb in my apartment. And I remember I knocked on the door to bring some stuff. And it's just two, like, pretty, skinny, gangly kids with knives at the door. I'm like, it's me. That's why I said it's me ten times. Oh, sorry. We don't know. And I walked in. There's just boxes everywhere. Packs. And there's just nothing in the apartment. Just shipping. Just vac ceiling. Like, you guys are so fucking cool. I don't know why. You're so cool to me, dude. Every time you meet, like, a Brit in the game, it feels like you're out of a Guy Ritchie movie. 100%. That's the exact movie to reference. That's who he is. He's Jason Statham from that. And the other guy is the guy that can't gamble. I mean, he gambles good. That's who his other homie is. He looks like him. I mean, they're. And they are. It's funny. Because, like, the few I know are cool as hell. And, man, some of those cats have made. We're not going to name the names of the strains because I don't want to out anyone. But they've made some of the best strains of all time. Things that are popular here. Like, those. Oh, you're talking about, like, growers and stuff? Growers, yeah. Oh, yeah. These guys are not growers. Anyways, there's people from that world that have made a big mark on cannabis. But, yeah, man, to me, if you're a tough guy gangster weed dealer out there, just stop the act, man. Be a sweetheart. You're a sweetheart. I only met one, but. You know, I met a few. I'm not. Some people try. Some people want to be like, I'm a drug dealer. I'm in this game. And people owe me money. They always had another drug to sell, though, at the same time. You're right. If they're not. Those fools were like, I'm a little down. The tough ones, yeah. Yeah. The guy that sold us weed when I was in high school, he was our pizza guy across the street in Pizza Hut. He sold Coke. He sold weed. The pizza guy. Yeah. And the first time I ever saw. Masoner, Masoner, Masoner, Masoner. Like, stacks. He was like, that cabinet. I opened it. It was 30. In two years, that's my house. I just never saw that. Damn. So I'm like, whoa, this guy's got his own apartment. I just did school. I came across the street and just pow. You know, like, wow, this guy's five years older than us. This is crazy. Obviously, he should have sold us weed and told us to get the fuck out and not smoke us out and get these fucking teenagers out of my bed. So wait a minute. What kept. Now that I think about it, how did you get to this point? Because. What? You have had nothing but struggle. I was there for the Vimeo days. Oh, you're talking about for. You just. Content? You had such a hard time with content. Yeah. And you were so silenced. And you were probably making decent money trapping, you know, like. Oh, barely. It's when we started going south. It's like when we just started. Like, everybody had weed. Okay, so this is something that you just. You felt like, why not? Because I'm like, that seemed to be going well. Oh, weed? No, it was just. It was just weed. It was just what you were doing on the side. Because this is such a hard. Like, to go from where you were to the Spotify deal. And everybody thinks they got paid for Spotify. We didn't get a dollar. Everybody thinks we made a bunch of money. Why? Why is that the talk? Because they know how much Rogan made. And they're just assuming. We didn't get a dollar, dude. You know what they do for us? They go, hey, we're going to put you on the front of the platform. We're going to put you on the platform. Commercials. You're our guys. You're our spokesman. Money? I don't know. We'll talk about that at another time. They pay us more than YouTube. That's for sure. Yeah, we're monetized with them, which is cool. With YouTube? No, with Spotify. We're monetized with Spotify. But yeah, we didn't get a deal with them or anything. But we're just like their poster kids. We're like a case study. We're like consultants. Yeah, we are the case study. There you go. I mean, that's so. There it is. That's such a. But like, it's wild, man. Like, you're. You got. That's a trend. I don't know. Arguably one of the biggest distribution platforms for media in the world to highlight cannabis through your content. They're so down, dude. They love our. Spotify is the only people, company, any entity or whatever to go, hey, you can be with us. We actually like you guys for who you are. You're cool. That's amazing. As a socialist, don't be like real racist or don't be an actual homophobic person. Show all the weed you want. Smoke more blunts. That's what he said. Smoke more blunts. That's amazing. He's like, put weed in the back. I don't give a shit. Just be good people. I go. That's great. Yeah. I love that algorithm. We have so many like music people on the show that it just makes sense. How long have you been working on that with them for? Before like it was announced? Since the beginning of the show. We're one of the first shows on Spotify with video. Yeah. We. But it's not like we were like, hey, we need to get a deal. They just said, hey, you guys are fucking cool. Yeah, they actually hit us up early on. Wow. Because me and Marty are just like, you said, we're not bad business people. Like me and Marty just do what we know and like all the other stuff. Like, how do you get. How do you. How do people viral? And you attracted it. And we didn't know how that works, but there's things you could do. You can. We could have contacted Spotify. We didn't know you could do that. Damn. We just posted on there. We had no fucking idea, dude. Damn. Yeah, but they're cool as shit. So like me and Marty, like how come there's not comments? Well, the way I talk and the way Dwight talks is the way I talk to anybody. And I got to remember, like sometimes the CEO in a suit doesn't want to say here the word shit twice. Yeah, you're right, huh? Like, that shit sucks, dude. That's why I was like, yo, this shit sucks. Why is there no comments? And I didn't realize he was the fucking CEO of the company, but I was like, where's the comments at, man? Like, he works in the. He's a higher up. Go, hey. Oh, you're the CEO of Spotify. Yeah, because we were at the party. I'm like, what the fuck? Shit sucks. Every year at the Christmas party, we pitch our ideas. Oh, dude, we're just talking shit. And I'm not going to talk. Me and Marty are the same guy, like. Did he handle it well? Yeah. At first, he's like, what show are you? I was like, oh, Doug's Usual. And he went, I know the show. I went, oh, fuck. Oh, you guys. But he was. No, I misinterpreted. He's cool with us. Are they putting comments in. Yeah, we got. No, they announced that shit last year. And they put out an editorial about that we helped initiate that shit. Yeah, I've only seen you guys on YouTube. I honestly never open up Spotify for that. Oh, dude, Spotify is great. So we got comments on there. Now there's views on there. Because he's. What did he say? He's like, well, what about big creators that don't get the numbers that they expect? And I'm like, then they should fucking be better. And then I went, oh, man, you stop cussing. And that's when I was like, damn, you're fucking high. We watched the car, and we're like, just walking to this party, I guess. Because I don't like going to parties. It's like, fuck, I don't know you. Wait, what do you mean? How is cursing. No, because I'm over here going like, fuck them. It's a corporate environment. We're wearing Wii shirts. Everybody's dressed like Zoolander models at the fucking underground dance hall. It's all good now. He's talking about the first time. It's all good now. Yeah, I'm talking about the first time. Me and Marty dress like this everywhere we go. And then everybody looked like Billy Zane. We walked in there and realized, oh, we never do this shit. Everybody had nice jackets and stuff. I'm not putting on a suit for fucking shit. I worked my whole life to not have to wear a fucking suit. I know, but everybody's like, oh, you have product in your hair. Fuck, this isn't a grown-up party, dude. That's how I felt. Everybody's dressed nice and shit. I got my dirty-ass shoes, which I don't give a fuck. But I felt like. Fuck, that's the baller thing. Yeah, I don't give a fuck. Yeah, they had to put on that suit. I see suits as like handcuffs. If I'm wearing a suit, I probably have to be in front of a judge or something that day. There's no fucking way. But not even that. You know when we're in Hollywood, it's the spot of that party, all the top creators come and they're all jerks. Dressed cool. I'm like, yo, fuck this. This is weird. And then that's why I felt like I should probably shut the fuck up and stop saying fuck so much. They really listen and they really initiate things. It took two parties. I don't understand because they weren't showing the views. Yeah, they don't show views because they don't want to like. No, it's a great take. Yeah, do better, man. Just be better or try harder. So we got vertical video clips with each episode, kind of. Yeah, we got all this shit installed. You can show shorts, kind of like vertical. I've never. I don't even know this part of Spotify. People don't even. People don't know. Yeah, people don't really know that much because they see it as music only. But like, dude, podcasts, there's everything. This is all Spotify for creators. I've seen the audiobooks. They even put on an audiobook on Spotify. But you can watch us on there. We got. What else did we get added on? Something else. Transcriptions. Transcriptions. And me and Marty are high as shit. Oh, it's got to be hilarious just reading. No, just seeing this transcribed on Spotify. Yeah, a lot of fucking. Damn, dude. Fuck. Ayahuasca, huh? But like this episode, they'll probably do it better. They're going to do a big campaign for this. So this will be on people's homepages. Yeah, because that's what they do for us. They give us a couple a month. They'll be like, hey. who's your guest? I'm like, this one. All right, we'll put it at the front. So when you open the app, like, do you want to watch Dope as Usual's new episode? No? Click out? Like a dismiss button, you know? But it's at the front when you open that app. I'm going to look this up today. I've never seen this, man. And they target ads for us in Europe, so we grew 400% in a year. Whoa. But then the other layer of what's really interesting is that they partner with Netflix. So now Netflix, the podcast tile on Netflix is like the first tile when you open up the app, if you've noticed. So you're on Netflix, too. Not yet. No, you've got to get picked up. Yeah. I mean, that's a pathway that's open. YouTube's not the only platform in town so much anymore. Sure. You know, that partnership between Spotify and Netflix is huge because that's how they're onboarding podcasts and Netflix. Yeah, no, it's a trip, dude. Me and Marty, we smoke weed here and then we're like, dude, the whole world sees the shit we changed when they get on their app. Are you guys going to do like a. You guys should do. You guys should do a European. I mean. You guys should do a European run. Like next year at MJ Berlin. You guys should just do like. They've. They've. Yes. If that's where so many of your people are, like, I guess the problem is like, who would you interview for there, right? Because like, you know, so many important cultural things here. It's like name a famous. I don't want to like talk shit by any means, just my own ignorance. Like, just name a famous German, you know? Fuck. I can tell you. I can say one, but. I can name one, but I can't say a fucking name. I can name one famous German, and he's on Spotify, and his name is Sean Steen. All right? Sean Steen. You're probably not watching this, but like, people keep confusing me for you, man. I'm in fucking Germany, and I'm walking around Germany, and I already know this, because people in my comments all the time are tagging this dude. You should put. You should pull him up. His Instagram is Sido. S-I-D-O. And all the time, as soon as. Any picture where he's, he's wearing a hat. People are like, bro, you look just like him. You guys are fucking twins. And I'm walking around MJ Berlin this year, like, around Berlin in general, and I'm not kidding you. Multiple crowds of children. All. What's he do? He's a rapper, I guess. Like, an older, older rapper guy. And, yeah, you'll see. And, like, I'm at a coffee shop, and there's a crowd of kids outside of the coffee shop. And I'm like, yo, I bet. Okay, okay. I'm like, if he was wearing a hat, you'll see it for sure. No, but I totally understand why they would confuse you for him. My guy right there in the middle, people would just, I mean, whatever. It's a guy with a gray beard, wearing a cap, I get it. But all the time, and I'll just be in Germany, and I'll see a crowd of kids outside of the coffee shop. I'm hanging out, and I'm like, I bet you these fucking kids think I'm Sido. And then, sure enough, we're sitting there, and I have videos of this. They come in, and they're like, Hein Sido? And I'm like, nah, man, I'm American or whatever. I think he's a dick. We're like, that was definitely him. They walk away defeated. It happened so many times, and after the last time, I was like, I gotta start pretending I'm him. What if we interview him? That'd be sick. As him. There you go. And really fucking, really throw it on him. I can't do a German accent very well, and I definitely can't speak German. Just yell a lot. I can. All the Americans will be like, damn, he speaks German? Oh my God. That's why we do it. But also, when you said, I was in Berlin, isn't it such a cool, weird thing? Like, I was in another country for some weed shit. That tripped me up. Isn't it a trip? I'm guessing it was similar for you. Before Puffco, I had maybe taken. Oh, sorry. This is fire, by the way. So keep it. I brought that for you. I had maybe taken four flights in my life before Puffco, and one of them was with my mom and dad on a vacation to Cancun when I was like eight, and the other one was maybe to Miami, because most of the times I would drive from New York to Miami. And after, after Puffco was like, everywhere you go, just going to a city like Portland. I remember the first time I went to Portland, meeting people from there, I'm like, you guys are completely fucking different. You say pop? It's soda. That's the first thing I thought when I went there. The language, the way they think, they're a very progressive city, and I consider myself to be a progressive person, but they're way more than I. It just melted my brain, and then everywhere you go, you just shift as a person. But yeah, man, to me, I wasn't advocating for travel, like everyone should do it. Not everybody can travel, but I feel like if you have the opportunity, every place you go to that is different for you, it's going to leave an impact. It's going to change something about your brain, where you come back and be like, huh, didn't know they were like that. And every place I've been to has like dissolved stereotypes and give me a mirror to what we are, where you're like, oh, shit, I thought you guys were like this. You're not like that at all. But we are like that. That's how you see us, and it's true. It is a beautiful experience. I realize, I'm a nice dude. When I went to Europe, I realized how much of a dick I am. I'm an asshole. You're American, buddy. I was like, yo, get the fuck away from. What's wrong with me? I'm standing next to him, if anything. And I thought, I'm a fucking dick. Because in America, I'm like, don't try to rob me, get the fuck away from me. Over there, they're just like, I'm having a conversation. What are you doing? I'm like, oh, you were close. And then everybody I expect, I always expect everybody to be rude. Yeah. My first instinct is like, are you going to be rude? And when I see a smile, I go, fuck yeah. Yeah, thanks. Over there, dude, I was like, this guy's going to be rude. I could see it on his face. And then every single fucking person was nice as hell. Dude. Every single guy, except Germany, and that guy was a dick. Other than that, there was only one guy. Yeah. And the whole trip, what the fuck? I'm such a dick. Also, we're so fucking fat. In this country? It took me three days to find a guy fatter than me. To what? To find someone fatter than me. And I found him in Amsterdam. It's our food here. It took a long time. It's our food. It's our education. we're not set up well, man. And if you want to be healthy, you have to put in a lot of work here. Yes. It's not as simple as like, You have to work around all the bullshit that's in front of you. Everything against you. A bunch of hormone-injected animal products. Everything in front of you. Everything. Yeah, man. Europe definitely left a great mark on me. Like, I learned a lot from the people there. They think different than us, for sure. I knew I was in a different world. I was in Amsterdam and the trains got shut down that are on a strike last time, last marriage in Berlin. So I stopped in Amsterdam and I got on a little bike. I'm like, fuck yeah, I'm smashing. But the little train tracks are thin and you're on the thin tires. Did you eat shit? Oh, oh. Oh, I ate shit. Oh, no. I caught and went and flew and all my fat weight landed on one knee. Smack, my knee turned black immediately. I'm like, oh, I broke my leg. Sick. I mean, it's broken. I hit the ground, rolled so fast, got up, just fuck in front of two full restaurants where everyone's outside. And I'm like, yeah, fuck. I'm going to see myself on the internet. I didn't see one phone. Five people rushed to my aid with a napkin. This guy had like, do you need help? This lady came up to me and was like, oh my God, are you okay, guys? There's free healthcare. I'm like, oh, you're right. I can go to the hospital. And then a lady's like, are you okay? I go, I'm okay. She's like, it's okay if you're not okay. And I went, I'm okay. Whoa, I feel like I have any shit to hit you with. I was like, I'm all right. She went, it's okay to be hurt. And then she walked away and then she told Rosie, tell him it's all right if he's hurt. And I was like, I'm so hurt, bitch. Leave me alone. I don't want to fucking get deep with you at all right now. I'm fucking bleeding. And I started walking and went, oh, it's broken. And then I got, what, 20 more feet and it stopped hurting. And then it was black for like six months. Oh my God. I fucking, I don't know what I did. Under this watch is a scar. Anyway. You think they checked out? No, hell no. No, I don't want to go to the doctor and I'm like, hey, can anybody speak fucking English in here? All these people speak other languages, man. Oh no, I mean here at least. Oh no, no. It was like fucking 10 days later. Damn. I'm good. Damn, man. Oh no, it definitely, it definitely hurt. There's a, yeah, man, that's some really cool shit. But not one phone came out. Everybody helped me. And the fact that she goes and she's like, it's okay to hurt. It's okay to not be okay. She's like teaching you how to be human, man. That's like, that's the story of just being American and showing someone else like, all right, we'll show you how to exist. It's okay. All I was doing was the, oh, because it hurt. Damn. And I was just like this, fuck, man, there's so many people. Where's the phones? I'm going to find myself on the internet. I got hurt. And then not one person. Everybody was so concerned. That's great. That's what I knew. We're dicks. You're going to be tight as hell if you see a video pop up in a couple months and they just wait. It's like this fool. They just gave you time. Pull the shirt down. Oh, the shirt pull. The point of the shirt pull. It hurt so bad I didn't even give a fuck if my shirt was over my head. I had a meeting going, broken? No. And I was in the back and the reason I stopped, the reason I got hurt, some lady wanted to cross and I went, let me let it cross. And then I was like, all right. As soon as I started going fast. Fuck. You don't ride bikes, I take it. No, it was the tracks. You never ride on the tracks and the tracks are this skinny so I just caught in the track real quick and I went to turn and went, and fuck. I think Final Destination also and I've seen enough people hit tracks and eat shit that I'm like. I've never seen railroad tracks that weren't on a bed of rocks. No. No, they're just out there and you just got to avoid it and go over it and yeah, I've seen it. Oh, it was terrible. I've seen that happen in front of me in Europe more than once. It was me. It wasn't a lady, dude. It was the lady - It was not a lady. - It was me. - It was not a lady, it was me. you were wearing was beautiful thank you thank you i got it there um anyway we're dicks um europe is super fucking cool traveling is awesome yeah i agree 100 marty marty went to uh hawaii now he's bougie yeah well first of all i want to thank you guys because this these devices have changed my life i was a bong ripping motherfucker and it was not good for my life but now like when i go on trips and shit like me and my wife like rip the fucking puff girls together now she hated weed my our entire 20 years prior no way wow it's really funny that she's using she's dabbing every night yeah like we went to hawaii and i brought it like hell yeah mission accomplished yeah yeah so we talked i always talk with the team about hash mountain and shit they put me on and like sick yeah marty was not a hash guy until what like maybe a year and a half ago yeah i'm we started working with puff girl basically because i mean i hadn't taken little dabs i didn't know what i was doing i can't torch i have children in here and they're running it out so now like marty hits it marty's uh let me explain real quick marty's routine as he wakes up at fucking before mexicans right he wakes up like that time and he's like damn that's the time and then he goes under a tarp in his backyard shreds eight bowls with so much butane give me my props okay what happened i've been using hempwood for years no i'm talking about when i met you oh okay marty's routines i got two little kids i can't i have only had 30 seconds i got neighbors i got kids his neighbor's the sheriff so he's like ah yeah and his where he smokes the bowls touching that guy's garage opening and marty's just behind and then he coughs his lungs out it's not good for his lungs he's ripping eight bowls back to back of just getting the blue flame down the fucking up high like thanks i'm trying to hide it not to mention yeah and then i got him on hempwick it's like better now he's smoking bowls like a sophisticated human shit like are you still ripping the bong yeah like i'll do the early morning very early morning bong sessions where it's really just to kind of conserve the hash like i'll i'll have some flour but then throughout the day and in the night like it's just just that was marty's between every 40 seconds like let me just think of a worse way to inhale butane honestly i used to love it and like it's a little harsher now a little it's harsh and then i cannot do weed during the day like i could take as many dabs as i need to i can work no problem we get you spaced out dude i'm cooked what not even like a whole big joint four pulls off of a joint i won't even get high i'm just immediately dumb can't oh i see what you're okay okay yeah for whatever reason i mean this is why i love dabbing in general but like the reclaim at the end of this that you q-tip out that's full of cbn that cbn gets you really dumb and tired when you're smoking a joint you're inhaling all of it so for me doing this interesting science get me tired if anything this can keep me up at night like is that why too heavy you i'll fucking go through a jar at night if you're struggling finish the reclaim extend the session i know i do that every time or smoke yeah you do or smoke a joint because you're a bong ripper you want that feeling i hate the scene for me if i'm getting that it's my joint at the end of the day and that will space me out i smoke a joint at any point that i have to have a conversation after it's cooked i can't think like i just can't do it i i get it i smoke i usually smoke a lot a lot of hashels every day all day like i still smoke weed no it gives me space to fuck out yeah can't do it super space that's why sometimes when we box i'll roll like 10 joints marty smoke five i'll smoke five or the guests will smoke five and it'll be it throws off the white balance of the cameras it's really funny it makes our cameras over fucking bright because there's so much smoke and it starts to throw them off and by the end of the episode we're all fucking right i mean i have a joint for right after this soon as we're done i'm gonna smoke no more expectations for me to speak but this i could just yap all day well that's a good thing to say i'll just start what do you think i should just not not rip this at night then no rip it at night but you want to consume more of the reclaim because that has i know it's it's so what did you just all right ready it's at the end of the set just start it up again or other or boosts what do you want me to do just go to higher temp what temp are you ready what temperature are you dabbing at rosin daily driver type of shit so rosin i i mean the settings are made for me right like i have a lot of influence over what the final is in puffco the red setting is always the design for roger setting like that's what i smoke i'm determining that line of like this is what i want it to be because i'm dabbing heavy and we need the white setting to be even harder but how i dab might be too much for people um so i'm just hitting the the red setting that's 5 30 i think is that 5 30 grant but i believe it's 5 30 uh on smooth that's rosin oh all my arms should be set for blue let's keep on like low yeah 480 uh chill oh you're going super low on blue when i'm like if i don't feel good i'm like like when i get if i ever get sick i'm i want a lot of vapor but i don't want to lose flavor so to me that line so going smooth uh i go on smooth and that line is red for water hash i'm only hitting it on green unless it's like the best six star ever i'm hitting it on green which is 5 10 um but and i don't put it on bold this one might be on bold and i'm actually enjoying it today can you guys tell the difference yeah damn you guys smoke a lot of hash we can tell the difference between the variations of each chapter of temperature that's fucking hilarious oh my god you should see our team that's really that's four colors million times better than i am that's what 16 options because isn't there four like smooth i don't know if i could go through all of them but i could tell the difference between each of the settings and then if i know the setting i'll at least know if it's smooth or extreme or like oh wow one of those i've never played around with i only keep on extreme because like oh a lot of it it's funny because sometimes we're we're trying to understand what people's measure of good is and for some people they want their chest to close some people want all the vapor in the world and they want it to be like feeling but the extreme if you're somebody who's putting it on extreme you're doing that for the chest feeling because they'll take that off because you could put it on i just want clouds if that's a way to get it like you can also put it at a Everybody hits these things differently, and we're trying to make one device for every single person. Well, you have all the options. You could do that. It's so customizable. So you tell me. Customize mine, right? Ready? I want to shred it. It's not as hard as I possibly can, but I want to hit it relatively fucking hard. What's your, like, you're done with the day, you want to rip something in your eye? No, at any time. At any time, what's your temperature? Like, on my rig? On your nail. Oh, I'm going on red. On red. Red. I usually go red and just keep it on extreme. Or I go green and keep it on extreme. Damn. Right? Damn. But I thought that was just for, like, if I have NOS, just use NOS in my car, right? Sure. If I have the power to do extreme. Yeah, I can. Why wouldn't I go as hard as I can, but even if it's on green, go extreme. This is on bold, and that's already kicked up for me. And then when it becomes extreme, I get that more of, like, a coughing, chesty. I don't want that. I'll take that. I'll take it off extreme, then. Yeah, turn it down. I'll put it on bold. But if you're already on 530 on extreme, it's hard for me to recommend something, because you're hitting it way harder than I am. I don't want to hit it. I don't want that chest feeling. So I'll drop it down to, like, 510 sometimes. So check this out. Grant, do you know, this is on bold, right? You didn't put it on any higher than bold. There's so many fucking options you could do. It's kind of insane. So this is 510 on bold. Let me just show you the vapor I'll get from this. Please, yes. What size dab are you putting in there? The camera won't see this. This is probably a solid. 0.2 in there. What the fuck? Yo, you're going to flood that shit. How much can you put in there? I got a half that. Oh, no. Oh, I can put more? Solid quarter gram in there. Oh, yeah. I'm fucking slipping. I'm putting more in here. OK, here we go. Yeah, drop it in, man. What's the point of being in the game if you don't get to enjoy big dabs? So here, just for the camera, I'll blow this way, maybe, so they can see, like, the vapor. It's on green? That's fine with me right there. I can live all day. I can live all day with you, man, all day. That's killing me. Oh, because it's on. It's on both. And you're usually on smooth. I'm always on smooth. OK, I'm going to try that tonight. Interesting. Extreme is really there for the people that are so used to dabbing that they need that, like, expansive feeling. I don't want it at all. Turn it down, man. Oh, shit. I thought I was just doing this for clouds. You do get a bit more clouds, but, like, you can't inhale as much of it. I'm kind of, like, an asshole, because I'm like, I want the biggest cloud in the world with it not hurt my chest. Which is, like, the opposite of what you're trying to. Of what's going to happen. And I think it's going to work every time. It doesn't. On my rig, I'll sometimes go, like, 550. You ever hit glass, ever? I do. Like, do you have nails at home? I have nails at home. I don't do it at home, because the hassle is absolutely not worth it for me. Like, you saw how this put me out, you know? So, like, I don't. I don't need something stronger than this. I do enjoy a good torch thing. quartz dab they're nice it has a place i totally get the people that use it like you don't have a setup at home no man wow did you used to yeah i have all the tools at home that's what i'm saying i don't have i don't have it set up but i have oh so you have all that shit okay i got a blue grass lamp i have damn it's just a slurper i have it's all decrepit just dust you don't use any of the problem for me is like it's two things it's one this is really easy that's two at home i'm always working on something new so like whatever i'm hitting like i'm hitting this publicly here and i'm gonna keep using this because i love the way this looks um but as soon as i go home i'm gonna be hitting a prototype and like giving feedback on it and typically try not to say too much but like the things we're chasing are a really elite experience it's like what i get at home i just have no desire for the slurper now when i'm out and about i go over my homie's house he has the torch and rig set up he'll torch it for me he'll use the dab right and check the temperature and be like here you go it's ready yeah there's 18 steps to digging it's nice i'm not poo-pooing it at all it's just i i don't get anything from it the ritual for me isn't one that i necessarily like feel the need to partake in i still think it's a great experience i think for people who can give them what they can't get from a puff coat or any e-rig out there but for me it's deeply social if i'm with homies they're dabbing they want to torch me up i'm always going to say yes problem is sometimes i get too dabbed out and like you get you know a misreading on the nail and you're hitting something at 560 and now i'm sitting there like coughing and i'm overly high and my chest hurts and i just don't want that experience like it's not it's not for me and i still enjoy it i get it like to me i i do still think that if you get a massive forget a slurper a massive like the old school long highly educated nails with a very heavy like thick bottom and thick wall and you get a beautiful water hash and you flag it out like back in the day where they flatten it they take it or dabber i still think one of the best experiences cannabis has to offer in general laying that flag on a massive surface area i love it it's amazing that's a lot of work dog that's a lot like you know if you're somebody who's chefing it up in the kitchen and making your own like that's cool i will choose i will say yes to that experience every time it's offered to me but to set it it's a lot i have a whole desk and every time i take dads go all this shit every time but that's because i don't have a job i don't have a job i don't have a job i don't because i'm a little dickhead with all the dunkers and all the shit hating on it i will say that like if i maybe it's a lot i wasn't the owner of puffco and i wasn't in r&d so much or trying things from r&d so much uh maybe i would have that occasional rip but like man i'm like i'm high and i'm like saying too much but we're working on the best experiences in the space like whatever i'm trying at home now well that's different it's because this is a 0.1 percent thing where it's like i'm trying all the coolest new shit fuck a rig why would i hit a rig i'll have this i get what you're saying for your perspective i totally understand but it's not fuck a rig for me because i have one such a deep respect for the artists like the first innovators in the concentrate consumption space were glass artists they were making the nails with the domes that you put over it that they would torch the nail they built the entire journey here so for me i never want to be perceived as poo-pooing courts as far as like torching and dabbing or glass blowers or that whole setup because what these people are doing is like you know for me i'm somebody who maybe if i related it to cars i want to jump in a car i want it to be super fast i want it to be easy to use i want it to do all the hard things for me but leave the really fun part for myself some people like a car that is manual that's rear-wheel drive that i would wrap around a fucking tree if i ever got behind the wheel of it but they love that it's special to them i see that as the torched dabbing where it's a really involved really intricate thing that anybody can do it's not like the knowledge is really high it's a good it's a good comparison but for me it's i care more to design the thing that leaves the most fun part to me than the thing where i have to control everything just to have that good time two of these people at my house slurper dunker pillars cobra coil redoing the rig and the dunk so much it's so much try to dunk outside y'all you should not be breathing that in honestly every time i do it the second i hit it go and i blow that smoke away from me it looks like stuff on a swamp like you should not you should not be in here straight alcohol you should not be in here yeah yeah i agree with that part like if you're gonna dunk or something at least go and like bring it by your oven your off oven fully off and put on that vent and dunk there just like you don't want those vapors in your house man oh man they're just alcohol they're in my house i know i bet i bet in your house they're they're in the walls i didn't know that was a thing yeah i mean honestly when i used to dunk and before i thought about it and if i inhale that shit oh my lord it's just like what i imagine mustard gas you're talking about like smoke like the worst i'm sure you've gotten some alcohol in your mouth and oh yeah oh my god i have the worst story go because i want to hear this is horrible so uh i mentioned earlier in the episode i'm a big beverage guy love beverages iced tea coffee juices whatever i fucking love them i make and my lady makes for me iced teas and like these big mason jars all the time um uh somewhat related i clean my puff coat tops in mason jars right because you will fill it up with iso and then you dunk the cone just let it sit in there and so one day i go to the fridge and i see a brown iced tea looking drink for some reason the lid is off i don't know why the lid is off but it's very brown it's as brown as any of my other iced teas and i go in there and i grab it and i take a fucking swig of fully reclaimed just start losing it completely she went there was like i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i should have not put it in like you know she's obviously it was a mistake i wasn't i wasn't even like that's disgusting treat gunner but horrible and the other bad one was fuck one time um somebody in the company uh accidentally put iso in there was a puff coat top that was filled with iso and it was on it was on it was there to be hit i don't know how it happened i forgot how it happened yeah and uh they loaded up a dab heat up you go to this when you go to this you're not hitting it like oh is there iso in here of course you're shoving it in your lungs and so i took a dab through iso yeah and just completely closed up my chest it hurts so painful so like all to say like when you're dunking like again i think dunking is so great for just so easy it's so much easier to just drop it in there it's so easy but just be cognizant that like if you could do that on your bowel balcony or just open a window or open a window but like just don't leave those vapors in your house like that wasn't meant to be inhaled this was meant to be inhaled no you're right i noticed the difference when i at least leave it open and just dunk all day versus i close it every single time then i'll throw it in there and close it even when i'm like doing my own personal cleaning for our products i put a cone in a mason jar i close the mason jar top yeah it's rough i don't have it in the house like it's rough uh i i hash house my friend john he i got him a bong and i went over there i'm like yo it's dirty as shit dude you've had it for a week come on and i started cleaning like you're a bastard i just got it it was like a dirty bong is so gross so gross i'm like all right so i cleaned it right left it now called sparkling clean i come back like five days later maybe you can try these too i came back about five days later and i'm like damn it's spotless you kept it clean let's go and there was like this much water in it's like fuck yeah pack a bowl i ripped absolutely shred this bowl i sink it i inhale as soon as i like really pull it and feel it i didn't feel shit the second i got it like to this all i felt was like when you're around a lot of bleach yeah it just it just opened up my lung and then went and shriveled my chest so fucking it was the worst bong i've ever had but it was pure alcohol what an asshole i can't believe you didn't notice that immediately well no because it was about right there so i started ripping it like fuck yeah at least it's clean damn like i didn't think i gotta be honest dude that was always a prank i said i was gonna do to my friends and it happened to me on an accident it's one of the worst things ever happened damn yeah it's painful these all smell really good yeah try them out or you know when uh you know when a hash gets i've told the story you know when hash gets really dry and white you know uh it just gets old sure i have my friend dickhead from texas i had a friend from uh uh not the friend you're thinking of some guy from el paso okay and he's like uh he he likes to do drugs right so he keeps his cocaine sometimes in jars no so it looks looks like yeah so it looks like you know and you're a water hash guy so you see this so i saw i'm like oh fuck yeah because it was in a hash char and it was the end of it so i was like scraped it out dunked it in my nail when i had the emails like 10 years ago and i'm ripping it and as i rip it it was on the the carb cap the ones you go so it's a long time ago and i'm hitting it and as soon as i exhale i'm like i know that smell and i just felt instantly in my head did it work i don't even know like it's it can you dab it melted it melted it melted it i mean it melted like ice hash wood i thought they kind of like crack to smoke um it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't crack no he never smoked bloods with cocaine in them and pee dogs and you would put cocaine inside of the blunt for no reason anyway the first time i'm hearing of this yeah well that's california yeah yeah you don't talk about yeah anyway i used to call them woo bangers when i was a kid see there's a name for all these terrible things dude all these terrible you ever had the sherm shit the weed smoked in or we dipped in and what was it yeah you never got duped like that in new york no man oh it happened to me i've never what is that is that dust uh they called it embalming embalming fluid yeah yeah it it makes you feel like i remember in south park when mr mackie gets what is that like i've heard interesting things about that well remember mr mackie starts doing drugs in south park and his face blows off that's exactly how i felt i felt like i was walking because i didn't know what it i didn't know there was anything on it so it was a good feeling oh no i hated it oh i started walking and my head started floating up off my body and then i felt like i couldn't touch the ground but i knew i was walking but i wasn't sure if my feet were on the ground and then my head kept feeling like uh when i do mushrooms i get that weird head rush of lightheadedness when i know i'm about to start they're supposed to start working sure i got really lightheaded like like i was spinning on a fucking mirror or like on a playground sure and i'm trying to walk and then i just felt i felt like everything in my body wanted to throw up everything i could ever have i don't know if that makes sense like everything i could possibly throw up i wanted to but i couldn't yeah my vision was shaky almost like when your camera is making you know those videos like i can't watch this i'm fucking gonna get sick that's what my vision felt like yeah i always felt like uh dust was always like uh i don't know like a drug in a category of like you see people using it on the street and shit yeah it's never drug addicts thing i don't know why it happened to me i never knew much about it like me neither it never never made its way to me dabbing the coke well i dabbed it right does that give you a coke feel no the second i hit it went and i spit it out like that shit is not what i think it is is it and i yelled i go where the fuck's your jar he goes it's on the table i go fucking bitch i knew it because it was almost empty but it was like sticky this one like fish scale fucking cocaine where it's like molding yeah i don't know if you know but if you're out there some if you touch certain drugs they'll like mold and it was like oh yeah it's like play-doh almost okay yeah um like sticking to the end anyway it's not a good thing but things happen it got you high no i felt i'm only curious i felt nasty and the turns like because i smoked crack when i was a kid by accident so i didn't know i know that feeling is like hold on really like uh like really like you smell crack as a kid like on weed oh they thought it was coke and i when i looked down like those are that's raw yellow yellow shards yellow like clumps i'm like that's crack okay thank you well i'm learning a lot today i guess yeah well merced there's a lot of drugs out there dude there's a lot of drugs out there yeah and um all of the that's not like i did it on purpose guys i didn't go let's put crack on here oh no you know i was when you said my accent i'm like oh it's definitely on actually it's my uncle it's my uncle dude um but yeah the the high of that when i did the dad i just it's just there are yeah you feel dirty i didn't get like all twacked like before i i felt that has to be it's a nasty it's just a dirty you know purgatory you said sure it's like that in your head like it's just like a weird it's a weird feeling i've never been like good dosed or like somebody gave me something that wasn't what they said it was thank god dude yeah except for like my first time smoking weed i'm pretty sure it was catnip what i'm pretty sure i was my first experience with weed was actually the worst yeah i mean i someone sold it to you yeah i mean i was young and i advocate a lot against young people using cannabis i actually do believe you know young people should be waiting until they're of age not just for legal reasons but everything we learned about brain development like we were kind of going crazy i think when we were younger but yeah yeah you know what happens when you're a child trying to obtain an illicit substance you might not even get it yeah catnip oh dude i got nothing illegal happened that day because i just sold catnip i got some from walgreens yeah and i tried and that was yeah that was so why do you think it was catnip uh it didn't get me high that's all i remember i don't remember like what it tasted like it was you know you think it could have just been really bad weed it actually could have been right like something that's possible because if you look at catnip it looks like it's very stringy i didn't know that it could it could have just been some super bad it looks like the weed i used to get back in buffalo for sure but considering how young and dumb i was i have to just assume that i was an easy mark for this how old were you so my first time smoking weed again i say this at every turn i absolutely advise against any young people using these products like by 16 because of my relationship with drugs i was an opiate addict so i always give this disclaimer of like you care about your life wait until you have enough of a brain to decide the relationship with drugs um that being said i was 13. oh okay yeah we did it cousin um i was in high school uh that first time i don't remember who i got it from and then i told a friend hey i tried smoking weed and it didn't work and he was like you'll come by my house um that guy actually recently passed there oh great fine um but i went over his house you know put on some uh something on the tv and i remember like he just had a pipe i lit the pipe inhaled exhaled and i felt like uh heat in all my fingertips and toes and like the top of my head and it just started crawling towards the center of my body and i remember like rolling off his couch like holy what the is this and you know obviously it was a positive experience for me because i ended up going back to it um but i remember even in that moment you know the first time i can remember having like depressive thoughts or a relationship with depression i was seven years old like it was one of my earliest memories and you know even though i was 13 and i was way too young to use it um i felt this relief from the depression that i'd carried like there was something there where it's like whoa life isn't as gray and again i advise against kids using cannabis so do not think it is good for them i think there were probably a lot of solutions that weren't accessible to me at the time um but yeah i was pretty young i think i gotta get like a thousand disclaimers anytime i say that because i know genuinely not just for like real legal reasons don't want to promote underage use like oh yeah a little hypocritical me being like i did it and i think it's up you shouldn't um but i think there's a lot of science backing it now um and i think you know kids should invest in their future um yeah every every time we talk about things just don't do that though you shouldn't do that because that was stupid if my child was 14 doing the things i was doing i'd be so disappointed and mad and scared for their life yeah and i was like it's just stuff we're doing that was not my parents my parents were were our immigrants they uh have a you know to a russian family or whatever ukrainian all drugs are so like to them weed heroin what did you do what did you just say uh what russians call drugs is nirkotika oh i thought i was tripping and heard an english word wrong no what the did he say i was drinking water i thought i heard it wrong yeah it was not that's what it was you know so like for them i think a normal parent if they're 13 or 14 or if they had a good relationship with them they would tell them hey if you ever see this come across at school or anywhere anywhere else and learn more about it come to me and if that child would go to the parent they'd be like hey listen this isn't good for you at the age you're at and talk to them about it and like destigmatize it but with my parents they you know my story with opiates ended up being that my dad was like i can't believe i failed as a father you're a drug addict i'm gonna test you and so i stopped smoking weed and then a week later a homie showed up with his grandma's oxycontin um bottle oh that's like look that's what weed is so these must be the same things like and so i advocate a lot against underage usage because what it can lead to in life is really dangerous not because cannabis is a gateway drug but if you're a child and you're engaging in something that's illegal to you you're entering a world where other bad options will appear and you know it's why i also like i got a bunch of crazy stories from when i was a teenager i try to not put too many of them out there because i don't want to romanticize degeneracy especially because like i survived some young kid out there might not i get that i don't want that on me um anyways whatever with hard drugs yes yeah with with most drugs in general but yeah i totally agree like i don't want to romanticize that life and it's i think you probably don't have a super young audience but i'm always careful um our audience is very i think it's just it's just synonymous with getting high dude and the weed culture like no matter where you like you always know i can always tell when someone follows our shit like how high does this guy and then they'll be like hey i follow you like i knew from the second i walked in your high ass watched our shit i don't know i'm sure you see people like oh you ever see a puffco in the wild you ever see puffco in the wild all the time isn't it fucking i mean for you you see him all the time but isn't it awesome to see like if i ever see someone in our shirt yeah of course it's like seeing a fucking celebrity like when i was like no fucking way i made that i don't know why it's so damn cool to me so it must be crazy to see people do their every work break with something you guys made yeah it was i think it was way crazy you're early on when i first started it was definitely like a tree using my product how the fuck am i on the same block as you and i remember i'll like stop people that we fucking made that before even the peak which is like our our old vape pens um but these days man like my favorite what the feeling has turned into is i love not being noticed assuming that they would even notice me or know who i am and just being able to see somebody enjoy my product crazy is so enjoyable especially if they have no idea what they're doing and they're like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm looking it's not a puff con it's just like that's what i'm saying in the wild yeah somebody's just out there whole uh whole foods that saw someone rip it in their car like you this like we don't make we mean with the other company but like a bong you remember your first bong you remember like that first piece the first thing yeah or shelvin black sort of oh damn fuck yeah remember shelvin black of course i don't know if they're still around but but you know what i mean like i don't know what it is so different something you smoke out of like a piece you have it's so much more sacred than anything like you in your car like your car can be filthy your bong probably clean i know we we often say that we gotta take yeah go for it i'm already so high too it's okay that's the whole point oh it's just packed shout out to this new uh plasma edition too by the way it's fucking super hot cool color it's goddamn are you are you on what damn my my clouds don't look like that how no way how is it should i go on red i was on green you're on oh this is new i haven't set this up yet if it's on new then just put it on white for yourself because they're like or or just you know you could or just keep it on red you'll see what red is like why don't you try red on smooth i haven't hooked it up no i'm saying like if you just hit red it's naturally on smooth gotcha so at least now you'll know how it compares i think i should put more hash in here then okay but yes seeing some shit in the wild uh like yeah i don't know what it is like people send me the pens it's just cool to see because i remember what it's like being on break and smoking bowls and doing shit like that it's such a it's such a ritualistic thing like it's i don't know why like oh i'm on break i'm gonna smoke a bowl watch a video like yeah exactly yeah it's definitely it feels like a a beautiful and heavy responsibility for us to carry because people they live by these products like we'll what's he gonna say before we'll often say that we we make the second most used product in people's lives we're like number one is their phone right okay the other thing they'll engage with the most throughout their day is going to be the thing they consume cannabis with like for most people that's it where they're dabbing more than they're driving they're dabbing only yeah do more is staying on their phones and if anything you can put it in third place if you put driving ahead of it no i did want to say it was so sick being at puff con last year on stage with alchemist and everybody like that was one of the coolest experiences of my life hell yeah biggest group dab on earth yeah that's funny that shit was so fucking sick rbr thing is that what you did the or the bear mountain studios setup we will no no he's on the stage when you oh just hitting the dab on the stage with all the yeah everybody took it their puppies at the same time i was just at the same time no that shit was fun no he's talking about the just the seven gigantic bear mountain yeah the bear mountain no i i hit the uh machine gun that thing is nuts it's fucking cool puffcon is it's it's crazy this year is going to be the craziest one yet too same place i'm excited for you guys to be there man same spot us too yeah okay yeah always that's our that's our hq i know it does it does make sense but i figure like it's there's so many people we might have to get a bigger spot i mean you guys you're going to be popular there for sure if you want to see you i hope you get to see some good terps most importantly now that i know especially the first keep it a coastal jar that i saw was something that i was looking for somebody at puffcon yeah yeah it's just so far there's another company i keep fucking forgetting i'll find the picture after we're done i finally i can't remember the name but i have a picture of it um yeah i'm excited dude it's gonna be fun marty it's like the biggest concentration of our fans that i've ever been around at once yeah marty's really come to events so it was every single place i go they go where the fuck is marty at yeah you guys yeah you guys are going to be busy this year yeah you should probably have some help you're just out there it's kind of fun you're just like yeah i'm here you want something i gotta be honest the last puffcon when i told marty he's like i don't know if i could do that again you were really i gotta be honest it was bad and not bad and like it's not fun it was bad in the terms i don't drink water i don't move i'm standing on my back it's so fun last year you gotta microdose it you gotta like go it's my approach for puffcon is like my only thing i want to do is just make time for fans yeah but if i stand there too long it becomes it'll be hours a lot so my goals i go out for one hour and then i go inside for 30 minutes and i hydrate and i cool off and i go back out for another hour you gotta pace yourself man especially because you're probably gonna get well it's it's because like i'm never gonna be like i'll be right back and there's never a time where i can walk away like it's like a meet and greet and i feel i'm like i'm not gonna be like yo let me take i don't take a day i'll do shit i was talking for like six hours fucking straight which is fun it's dope as hell put my back fucking i have a bad back dude so i'm standing like it's a lot and when the footage turns into what happened last year we are the reason the video was kind of short because it was fucking four hours straight of me standing in one spot so we didn't really have any damn footage it took security to really get us to the stage really remember like at one point we're able to cut through yeah yeah the crowd is well it's all it's it's it's like a concentrate it's it's fans it's fucking potheads and they all know you you know especially it's dope it's fun yes it's so fun i've never once not been stoked to meet somebody i was fucking cool every time because like they could just not give a fuck i can't wait to see you guys there it's gonna be fun you look for the first time pretty fucking high i'm very high i realize too like holy shit we put in well how long we've been here about 3 30 no we haven't yeah yeah we've been here three no we haven't that's kind of surprising through 30 no we haven't it went quick we're gonna have to cut this down for sure yes oh my god i don't even know where he's no we haven't oh my fucking god i'm sorry i had to watch on the whole time no we're having a good fucking time i swear no marty i thought i was gonna look at you but i know it's two hours yeah let me know what it's two hours i'm sorry guys yo we're gonna end this podcast thank you for being here i apologize i apologize there were a lot of journeys there we did we discussed a lot of substances a lot of lore i think you know you think back at it was a body of work this this episode was a body of work i guess i do get high yeah i guess i really do because i i really couldn't i'm usually good with the time marty i'm usually fucking on i'll guess almost close to the minute yeah to the minute i would have said maybe 210 no i feel terrible i'm sorry it went way longer too if i didn't look at him and he wasn't like oh no i'm so sorry i'm sorry bad way of just like you know i apologize i had no fucking idea but i do want to give some shout outs shout out to one mothership for that beautiful push trees piece um shout out to bear mountain studios these pieces are fucking amazing i cannot wait to rage this man shout out to hash house kalia feel good trichodelics frosties am i missing somebody else here probably but boom that shit is amazing that's that's trike as well but anyway shout out to all these people that made for this great experience what's this this is from john oh there's a bunch of cool shit dude it's a bunch of cool shit i'll like really break it down for you but it's like it's collab with a bunch of different brands that are his homies but it's all like handmade wood shit but there's weed in all of it it's really fucking cool okay great yeah so i'm gonna give it to you thank you hash house fuck yeah appreciate you guys oh my god i'm so fucking sorry i did not realize it's been that long i apologize guys damn we had a good time thanks yeah thanks for being here appreciate you um see you guys at popcorn thank you marty all right thank you guys marty roger and i guys thank you for being here for this long ass episode Have a dope rest of your day. 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