S6 E2: An Inconvenient Study: Uncomfortable Questions, Personal Choices

Parrot with Purpose, Disciple with Direction, and Leave an Intentional Legacy. This is The Info and Parent, a Think Media Podcast. Hey everybody, welcome to today's episode. I am not just excited about this interview, I'm actually honored to be having this discussion. Dell BigTree is joining me today. Dell is a preeminent voice in the Maham movement. He's the CEO and founder of ICANN. He has been the communications lead for RFK and his whole movement in the presidential campaign. He's got a background behind him that is just absolutely impressive. What I'm excited about for you is that you get to hear his story. You get to hear where the passion came from. You get to hear his background and you get to hear where it led. But you're also going to hear some statistics that are pretty compelling and they're going to cause you to really lean in. This is a challenging one. This is a challenging one for a lot of us. However, the conversation is powerful. It's going to be longer than usual. I don't think you're going to want to stop. You're going to want to hear to the end. So I'm just asking you to lean in. Listen hard, think well, be curious, and let's see where this conversation goes. I know this, you're about to be informed, so let's dig in. Hey Dell, thanks so much for being on. So I'm thrilled that we get to bring this information to this audience. I appreciate it. I appreciate it having Mrs. Anne really looking forward to this conversation. Awesome. Well, I've been following you for a while, watching her work for a while. But a few weeks ago, I got to sit with you in person in a small environment and listen to just the story behind what we're really going to ultimately be talking about, which is this new documentary. But part of what I loved with you sharing is just what your background is and how you got to this. I think it's fascinating. And I think it's an important part of the story, really. So we just start with that. Sure. I think about you. Yeah. When people ask me, like, how did you get into this? Or how did you get into this mess you find yourself in? Yeah, right. I'd like to say my parents are a huge part of it. I think parenting is the most important job we're ever going to do in this world. And I was really one of those people that was very lucky to have incredibly conscious parents. My mother especially took parenting very, very seriously. And they were way outside of the box. My mom decided, in the very beginning, not to vaccinate me. She just, my father was, you know, at not ruined his first born, he ended up becoming a minister. But they were on a spiritual journey path together at that time too. My father became a minister when I was probably about five or six years old. Like that. But they did, they were deeply involved in a connection to God. And I was raised from the very moment I was born to really think about the idea that I am created in the image and likeness of God. And that the things that I do, I have to ask my defiling that opportunity or my bringing benefit. And so my parents were also, you know, hippies from the 1960s, you know, not really the drug smoking ones, but the freedom fighting, you know, you know, first amendment right to free speech, you know, was a huge part of what I was raised in. But what they would say to us, you know, I was the oldest of three my sisters in the middle and I have a little brother of Shad. And they would tell us, on almost on a daily basis, you are here to change the world. You're going to make the world a better place. So powerful. It's very powerful. And they would say, your connection to God, there's no one that comes between that connection. There's no teacher, there's no politician, there's nothing you have got to learn to connect and say, is this, is this feel right with me and God and move through your life that way? And so they taught me to pray and to connect. And so that's, you know, how we got started, they still had put me in school and then I was like to tell the story. I was in, I was in third grade, I believe it was. And I was walking to school. We lived about five blocks from school in Boulder, Colorado back when you could let your kids have five blocks. I was going to say, five blocks is too far now. Without resting the parents. Right. It's just like, right. It's such a different world. My little sister, I think she was in kindergarten, so we would walk the school together. And then we'd come back for lunch. My mom didn't want us eating the lunch food and she also wanted to connect with us all the time. And I came back one day and I wasn't wearing the same shirt. What happened to the shirt you were wearing you wore to school? And I still remember it. I had, in art class, made this t-shirt we had done boutique dyeing where you put wax on the shirt and then you dye it. And I managed in the process to spell the name of my gymnastics team, the flyers. And so I wore the school all proud and I came back at lunch and I wasn't wearing it. And my mom said, why? I said, oh Craig said it looks stupid and he was right next door to the school, so I just went and borrowed a t-shirt from him. And I never saw that school again. That was the end of that. My mom pulled my sister out of school immediately and she said to us, I'm not raising kids that care what other people think. You believed in that shirt when you walked out the door and someone made you hurt your confidence. Awesome. And that was it. We were going to be confident, powerful beings connected to God and doing the work that we do. And I always say to people, when I tell that story, you know, if you raise your child like that, be careful they could end up in as much trouble as I find myself in now. Well, I love it because really, my life's work has been about being intentional, being intentional with your parents, being intentional with your walk with the Lord. And really, even, you know, we've started a couple of schools, not because I liked school. I didn't like education, I mean, I didn't like it myself. But for the purpose of helping parents be able to step back for a minute and know their child and know how their child learned and, you know, go out of the box in order to really, you know, understand how their child is designed and help them make the decisions that are right for them. They're alive. So I love that story. Yeah. And, you know, so I mean, otherwise, I'm not sure why we're having kids. If you're going to have kids, you're going to have a nanny raise them and then send them to a school where the public school system is going to try and teach them that as an individual they're not as important as the greater collective, you know, when we're seeing the results of that collectivist thinking in our nation now. But what, you know, I would just say to anyone, what interactions do you have with your children? How many are there? Are you getting the majority of their attention or is someone else or they're raising themselves or their friends raising them? All those things matter. At least I think they do. I mean, I mean, I can't, I don't know the tell a big tree that wasn't nurtured, right? I don't know how much of it's my own nature. Right, right, right. My question is, had times to be honest, am I an ethical, am I a moral and ethical person by nature or was it just my parents' influence in training in me, made me care about people and want to help children and do the work that I do? I mean, I feel passionate about it. It feels core to me, but I, you know, I don't think I could win that argument. I know I wouldn't know how to debate that because I had such, you know, such intention. Intentionality. Okay, so fast forward. Now you are the producer, correct, on the show doctors. I love this part of your story about, I think what you said is your mom would call. So, to be honest, I was a little bit fast forward. Yeah. Now your career wise, what are you doing and where do you find yourself for your loss? So, I left, you know, I wanted to make movies and my, you know, I don't know if my parents wanted me to be a minister, it just, I felt like I had a different calling. I wanted a big audience, I wanted to reach film and television audiences. So, eventually, it took a long time, actually, but I ended up, my big break was producing, it was a field producer originally on the Doctor Phil show and then Doctor Phil created the Doctor's television show with his son, the first medical talk show of its kind. And I ended up being a producer, the producer would be an executive, I was, I produced one episode every week, if you imagine, you know, Monday, Friday, I was one of seven producers and my job was to book all the guests and all the stories for an entire episode and every week I'd have to make a new episode. And so, I was very high rated on the show, I was, I would like to say it was one of the highest rated producers, meaning my show is tended to get very high ratings and would be, you know, put up for Emmys and sweeps and things like that. But yeah, my mom would call and say, I don't understand what, what are you doing working on a medical talk show? You've never been to a doctor in your life. I wasn't on top of, you know, all the intentsive parenting vaccines, we didn't go to doctors. My mom believed that God made our bodies to heal, you just have to nourish it, you know, rare occasion if I really wiped out hard skiing or something, it was messed up, we might see a chiropractor. It was about the only interactions we had, so here I am, not just talking about medicine, I'm celebrating science and medicine, you know, and it was really kind of funny, so, you know, I don't know, mom, I don't know. really, I mean, this is the opportunity that's come to me. I actually really fell in love it. I really enjoyed working on that show. And I was challenging the system from the inside. It was the biggest medical talk show, but I wasn't, you know, most of my peers were, you know, doing the latest drug or vaccine or how to put your makeup on and things. And I was like, this drug just got recalled. I want to do a story why. How long was it on the market before we found out how my lines were there told? How do they hide it? What are the, you know, what are the quick case? So, and my, my executives honestly did not get it. They didn't get that I was like really challenging the system. All they knew was I was getting huge ratings. That's so fascinating that was it. I mean, I would, I would do like when I remember when the Cleveland Clinic brought chiropractic into the Cleveland Clinic, you know, medical mall and made that something that you, they could offer is like, this is a big story or a doctor using, you know, acupuncture instead of anesthesia. So, just always pushing the envelope there. And, and, you know, but eventually, I think I was, I mean, as we get along in the story, looking back now, it was, it was all a part of my destiny. I was being trained for something. But I will say there was a moment when I was reading a medical journal and a very complicated story. And I was sort of, you ever step outside of yourself and I'm just reading it. I'm like, I can't believe I even understand this. Like this is really, I get it. I'm excited about it. I'm going to try to figure out how to take this very complicated medical story and help the audience understand it. And I remember in the moment, laughing and thinking, I wish I could go back and tell my 18 year old self that thought he was going to be the next Steven Spielberg. Actually, you're going to be reading medical journals for a living and explaining science and medicine to humanity. I never would have believed it. But I really fell in love with it. And somehow, I didn't think of myself as smart. But when I was, there's something I was into something I cared about. And the names it made sense. And it was sticking. And I, I joked that I probably would have ended up going to medical school if I had been born into any other family on the planet. I was like Wayne Gretzky born in Africa. You know, it was just, there was no ice around. I was never going to skate. I was never going to get near doctors. So it wasn't on that route. But instead, so I do. Now I work with lots of doctors, lots of scientists. I'm deeply involved, obviously from a slightly different perspective. But I am just absorbed by this creation and what it's capable of and what it can withstand and how we should treat it. I think it's so fascinating. I'm just, I understand that from the standpoint of I really did not love school. I was fine. I did okay. I didn't get it. I'm like, why are we memorizing day? It just, there was no meaning really. That was the same way. You know, and mostly just wanted the social. Yeah, the social. Sports is great choir and the choir. But at one point, I thought, I'm going to be, I think I'm going to be a special ed teacher. This was way back. You know, probably going into my senior year of high school. And a teacher told me I was tutoring highly disabled children and a teacher, one of, I was doing a great job and loved it. And one of the teachers at that school said, don't do it. You're going to get too emotionally attached and you'll never see change. And it was one of those things where I was so jared by it. You know, like maybe she see something in me that this isn't going to work out and win a different route. Yeah. Loved what I did. And then, you know, several years later, I'm sort of looking at, you know, people homeschool, that's really cool. I would never do it. And then I end up opening hybrid homeschools. But how God brought me back around. There was something about about reaching children or reaching the family that made sense to me. And so I relate to that. Just God's God is way. Like, you're not going to thwart us playing. I God's plan is so much better than the one I had for myself. Yeah. Yeah. So that's it. I love the story. And so bring us a little bit fast forward now. From doctor, didn't what starts to happen? Well, I mean, that's important to know that next step. So I'm working on the doctor's television show. I'm doing very controversial stories. I got a call from a doctor I'd worked with on a story that was very complex. And the year earlier, he had said to me, while we're working on the story, you probably shouldn't have me on your show. I was like, oh, why? He's like, well, if you look me up online, they call me a quack. I was like, why is that? He's like, well, I'm one of these doctors. I believe the vaccines are causing autism. And I was like, oh, well, I mean, it's like this story has nothing to do with that. He's like, I know, I just don't want to undermine. It's like, oh, worry about that. And so we did the show really, I mean, it's too complex to get into now. But it was really incredible. And then he said to me, while working on it, you know, would you ever cover this story of vaccines and autism? Now, remember, I'm not vaccinated at the moment. So it's not like, I mean, I just didn't, wasn't like I carried it as a thing. It was just how I was raised, you know, it just was. But I said, you know, we've covered that topic. It didn't go well. It's a famous episode where Travis Stork, our lead doctor really kind of loses it with Jenny McCarthy and it was like a whole deal. Here we go. So I was like, I probably can't go near it. But I said, look, if anything really changes, I mean, this show is pro vaccine. But since you're in that space, if anything, ever really changes, give me a call and I'll take a look at it. And so a year later, he calls and says, remember when you said there's something big that's going to happen. I said, yeah, he said, well, there's a whistleblower inside the CDC named Dr. William Thompson that's going to come forward in about two weeks. The story's going to come out. And he's claiming they've committed scientific fraud on the MMR autism study. And several other vaccine studies, but specifically that one. And so I was like, okay, wow, pitched it to my executive producers. It was one of the few stories ever they said, are you crazy? We are not going to say the CDC has got bad science or is somehow committing fraud on studies and they're a friend of the shows. And so I was like, okay. And I left and almost at the same time period, I was curious about that story. I had my team, you know, a team where I was like, just keep tracking this Dr. William Thompson. Sure enough, like two weeks later, these recorded interviews start coming out of this guy from the CDC saying, I can't believe we did what we did. We hid statistically significant information. Every time I see a child with autism, I feel guilty. I was like, wow. I'm here. I really wanted to be a part of that story. And I watched it being censored. I watched someone I report on CNN. They don't even have it anymore, but where regular citizens could post stories they cared about. And there it was, you know, whistleblower from the CDC and then it was taken down within minutes. And this was way back. This is 2015. This is happening. So I was like, wow, okay, no one wants to touch this. No one wants this story anywhere. And then at the same moment, like, this is really important, I think, because I probably would let it go. Even though I'm not, you know, I'm not vaccinated. This is an issue I care about. It's interesting. There's a whistleblower saying vaccines aren't good. And then I get a call. I'll reply a few weeks in. I get a call from my executive producers. And they're like, come over to the stage. We're going to tape an episode that's going into one of your shows. You lost a guest that dropped out. So we're going to just put this piece in because it's airing tomorrow. So you're going to have to edit it really quick. So I run over, we're at Paramount Studios. I run over to the sound stage and I'm sitting backstage with a pen and paper ready to really like be able to move this thing and finish it quickly. And out onto the stage walks, Senator Richard Pence, California in Hollywood. This is the senator that was bringing onto the show. As far as I know, the first time he was ever going to publicly talk about this bill, SB 277, there's going to force vaccinate every kid in California. You would not be allowed to go to school without a vaccinate with all of your vaccinations. And so I'm sitting there and just thinking, oh my god, I can't have this be in my show. My name can't go on this. I mean, that's all I was thinking at first. Just what? This guy's the end of the world as I know it. I mean, I have a baby at this point. I'm not going to vaccinate my baby. As I've said, I haven't had any of these things. And this guy is like the end of the world that I was raised in and wants to make that illegal. And so, firstly, I ran right over to the executive producers and I said, um, that was like, I only have like a two-minute hole in my show. That's like 10 minutes. You don't want to cut it down that much. And I'm like, yeah, you're right. We'll put it in someone else's show. So I dodged that. Yeah. But then a couple of weeks went by and I was really starting. We kept having this guy on the show. All the doctors were talking about this great law that's going to force vaccinate all the kids. And I suddenly did not feel at home anymore. It didn't feel like this was the place for me. And I wanted to figure out that whistleblower story. Like I wanted to tell that story. And so, one day it just became, it got so like overwhelming my frustration. Yeah. It was just going against everything in you. That I, you know, I'm sitting in my office and I sat on my couch and I just prayed, which wasn't a normal occurrence. I mean, you should keep that to home in church. But I just said, God, I feel like I'm supposed to be telling this whistleblower story. I feel like this is exactly the type of movie I should be making. And I think I should be working to stop SB277 that I think is gonna poison God's children. And here I am on the one job that I'm very grateful for. I've a home, it took a long time to have this career. I'm grateful, but I don't, I'm in the one place I can't go near any of these stories. You know, please give me a sign. What am I supposed to do here? Said amen. And 30 seconds later, my phone rings in my office. And I walk over and I pick it up. And it's a publicist and she says, "Hi, Dell, this is Donna." I was like, "Hi, Donna." She says, "Do you know who Dr. Andrew Wakefield is?" And I said, "Yes." I mean, this is the big doctor out of England that first connected back to the autism that they always say is a fraud. And you know, that's going on my mind. I didn't say that to her. I said, "Yeah, I know who he is." And she said, "Would you like to meet him?" And I mean, I'm like, "Okay." I mean, the timing. I was like, "Yeah, Donna." I'm not like, "I want to-- I'm supposed to be meeting him." And she says, "Well, because it's going to be a very small party, I got enough. You're going to be there because someone else won't get invited." I was like, "Donna, if you knew when you just called me, you would know I would skip a family wedding right now to be at that meeting." And so it was two days later. I go to this backyard party. It's like 50 people there. I find Andy's wife and I say, "Hi, my wife's with me." And we're saying, "Hi," and she calls Andy over. And look, I didn't know what I was there for. I didn't know what he was there for. And I didn't know if he was a fraud or not. But I knew, obviously, I'm supposed to meet him. And he's the type of person. Since this story's always been around, if I want to meet him, I'll know. So he comes over within-- I mean, I don't know if you've ever met Andy Wakefield, but it takes about 60 seconds before you realize this is one of the most brilliant, most compassionate, unbelievable, scientific minds you've ever met. Humble. Wow, whatever happened to this guy, that's the fraud. The fraud is calling this guy a fraud. Like, I can tell this is a sincere, well-intentioned person. So he's talking about SB27, we're chatting and annoying the whole party. Like, I'm not even paying attention. They're all gathered around. I'm trying to figure out what it is. Suppose we get in front of this moment, this story. And then somebody walks up after 30 minutes. Like, Andy, you've got to do your pitch. And he's like, oh, sorry, I've got to go do my pitch. I was like, whatever that means. And so he walks and gets on this little box in the backyard. And he talks about SB27. We've got to stop this law of vaccines. They've never done the proper safety science. And this is my life's work now. And I'm obviously-- I get attacked, but I don't care. And he says, but the thing that I'm doing to work on this and to really make a difference is I've been working on a documentary about a whistle blower inside the CDC named Dr. William Thompson. I've been working out for a year and a half. And I mean, I was like, it's almost just like a fallout. You can't explain with them. It's like in the movie, we're like to do that focus poll on the whole background. And the movie's behind you. And the cloud's part of the beam of sunshine comes down on only you. Like, it was really felt bad for a found. I'm like, oh, my God, he's making the documentary. I just prayed. I wanted to be a part of like, oh, my God. I mean, you can't call that a coincidence. Make your best attempt. Maybe we'll leave it up. I don't, right? Make your best attempt to call that a coincidence, because it's the craziest. And I just remember thinking, as I was standing, I was like, OK, Dell, you know those people that come up to you and they're like, I had a tarot car reading, and we were supposed to work together, or I had a dream about you. And I just thought, don't be that guy. OK, this is a scientist. He doesn't care about any prayer that you've said. He'd chill, but I knew I'm going to work with this guy. And so I did. And the miracles kept coming. And we ended up, I spent a year working on that film with him, which ended up being called Vax, from Cover Up to Catastrophe. And that catapulted me into the limelight of this vaccine safety conversation. And that film, I think many people credit that with igniting the medical freedom movement around the world, which I think is now sort of morphed into maha, and the work of Robert Kennedy Jr. But that was transferred. And that film really was about MMR and autism. And we traveled the country for a year. It had-- Testimony. I mean, testimony's thousands. We had a bus where people were writing the names of their injured children on the bus. All of it still stands as a monument to a vaccine injury. And then we got, again, some help from God. We got kicked out of the Tribeca Film Festival after being accepted. And then even Robert DeNiro, who started the festival, came out to defend the film, but turned his back on us at the last minute, which made this media hypers storm broke out. Every major newspaper was talking about Vax. This horrible film that's going to get children killed. And I mean, they could have stopped. And the more they attacked, just the longer the lines were down the block. I was just more people were coming. Everywhere we went. And so that was God's advertising. And when God's involved with it, get out of the way. And just duck a little bit. Yeah. That's amazing. OK, so you mentioned a little bit, maha. Yeah. One more thing that I wanted to actually get into the documentary. But so this, the maha movement, your involvement in that, how that happened, what that looked like for you, a couple of little stories there. And then we'll move into the documentary. Yeah, after Vax, I started my own nonprofit, the informed consent to action network. I started my own weekly talks. We called it a highwire people watch. It's a highwire.com every Thursday. And we had a legal team. I brought in one of the-- I think who will go down as a greatest constitutional attorney of all times, Aaron Ciri, because there's liability protections around vaccines. You can't see the manufacturers. I wanted to know how they established safety on all the childhood vaccines. Because as I traveled with Vax, we were just doing, like I said, 1,000 interviews of parents of injured children. And it wasn't just MMR. It wasn't just autism. It was every vaccine caused some horrible reaction in some children. So how had they determined these vaccines were safe? And so we started suing the government and winning. Since we hadn't seen the manufacturer, we're going to see the government that's protecting them. So we won against FDA, CDC, NIH, HHS. And while we're doing that, we got the attention of Robert Kennedy, Jr., who had his own nonprofit. And he was doing similar work. And so we teamed up on a couple of lawsuits and things like that. And then actually, in 2018, maybe early in 2019, I sat Bobby down. And I said, we've made a lot of headway on this conversation about the lack of proper safety science around vaccines. But we're starting to be censored. And I'm concerned we're going to close out this conversation. And I think the way around that would be we need a voice that can transcend censorship in the media and just draw attention to this conversation. So I said to Bobby, I think you should run for President of the United States. And that was such an interesting evening. And he thought about it. He spent-- remember, there was 2018-19. And so that was over one election ago. And he ended up deciding it's just not the right time. Not too. But considered it. And he thought about it at that moment. And I remember saying to him, you've probably thought about this your whole life. And there's must be reasons you haven't done it. But this is my thinking. And he said, I want to correct one thing. He's like, I've never thought about it ever in my life. Never wanted it. It's not what I wanted. So anyway, in 2023, I guess, early '23, probably that winter, he called me and said, remember that idea you had? I'm thinking of doing it. And so I was in all the meetings as he thought about it and challenged it from all sides, brought in friends and family. And ultimately, I was his director of communications when he ran for president. And I saw him. Went through all the decisions, started as Democrats, changed the independence when he realized the Democratic Party was as corrupt as it was. And then when he joined Donald Trump, I was there for all those conversations and watched one of the greatest, I think, combinations and two different-- And that was it, right? Like, we went into that. That was not easy for me. It wasn't easy for Bobby. They are very different in how they carry themselves. But they clearly had a similar passion about children's health, which we recognized. But the question was, would Trump follow through? Would he really give you a position that mattered? If you're going to walk away from all these people that supported you, we had to have the most successful independent campaign since Ross Perot. We had gotten more signatures to get on ballots in all 50 states, which were higher numbers than had ever had to be achieved. They made them very difficult, almost impossible. And we had achieved it. And right when we'd finally gotten on the ballot in all 50 states, was this opportunity. It was right after all started the day that the assassination attempt happened on President Trump. Bobby called him to offer condolences and that began a conversation that will probably, as I said, be one of the greatest political shifts in history. I mean, that's what's happening now. Hey, friends, Susan and Phillips here. Thanks so much for tuning in to the informed parent podcast. I know that you're here because parents are hungry for trustworthy biblical support. it while raising their families. We know that information alone does not bring transformation. You're looking for clarity, vision, and practical tools with a biblical worldview for your family and for your parenting journey. When I'm not here hanging out with you, that's what I'm doing. I'm creating those resources with my team at Beacon Parents. Parenting isn't just about managing your family. It's about leading people and as parents it's really hard to learn how to do that together. 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My husband and I watched it and once Sunday afternoon after church I'm like let's just let's just watch. It was a rainy day and we didn't probably speak to each other for two hours after. I mean it was and I had heard you. I mean I knew what it was about. I'd seen a few clips. It's really profound and so you just you share a little bit about the overall what's it about and then I want to get into a little bit about what you found out in it. Yeah so I mean one of the things that I've proved through all of our lawsuits with our nonprofit is that and I'm still watching podcasters and and even main news agencies say we're wrong about this. We're not one lawsuits about it. There's never been a double blind placebo trial to establish safety of any of the childhood vaccines. We're giving them none of them. Now they're finally admitting that but they're adding this new caveat which is well no we didn't do this is we're gonna hear now which is great means we're winning. We were away from them saying we're lying. That was misinformation for the last six or seven years of my life. Now they're like well that's not technically misinformation. The current vaccines were never tested against placebo's but we can't that would be on ethical because there's already vaccines that exist. So they were tested against the previous version of the vaccine and those versions were all tested against placebo's that's not true either. And so that's my next I'm gonna have to beat on that probably for another year so that they stop even saying that because there's no placebo in sight none of these products have ever not the original prototypes none of it. They have skipped this process which is the gold standard of safety and that is the core part of my issue. So will you define a double monster just what does that actually mean? Yeah so in case you know I was one of those guys that skipped a few biology classes in high school but a double blind how you establish safety in a pharmaceutical product let's say of a brand new drug one group gets you let's say you take 10,000 people 5,000 get the drug the pill and 5,000 gets placebo which by definition it's supposed to be a product that's no effect on the human body. So in the case of a pill it's usually a sugar pill they painted or stamped look exactly like the other one in an injectable product like you know there's injectable enbrille and things or a vaccine your placebo should be a saline injection and they say it's double blind because neither the scientists doing the study or the patients in the study know which one they got. This is because all the scientists are being funded and paid for they work for the drug company. Now this is something I didn't really understand until I got deep in the investigation. I always thought the FDA or the CDC like regulatory agencies were doing the safety studies kind of like crash tests we're gonna take your drug and product and we're gonna test ourselves to see if it's safe that's not what happens it's the it's the manufacturers themselves so it's like a good faith thing we trust that whatever science they're showing us was well done that they didn't hide anything which I think is problematic to begin with but that's how it's done and they're supposed to do this double blind placebo trial and then you follow so if you're giving them a drug and they're taking it or giving a vaccine just supposed to follow them you know for at least the amount of time that the most obvious you know the things you'd be concerned about would reveal themselves so with a vaccine where you're messing with the immune system you would want to go long enough to see if it's causing autoimmune or immune dysregulation that's gonna be one of the major problems with messing with your immune system well if you have an autoimmune disease you know you didn't get that overnight whether it's multiple sclerosis or even asthma or diabetes or you know eggs more psoriasis or you know lupus or Crohn's disease digestive issues they take time to appear so you would want the study to probably be at least two years long most drugs are two five and then sometimes ten years long okay and you follow both these groups placebo group and the drug group and when it's all over you just ask really simple questions who had more cancer who had more diabetes who did anyone have their mutation of their genes was there an autoimmune disease that popped up and the reason you have that the placebo group is so let's say ten people ended up getting asthma in your drug group well you could say that it was over four years maybe ten people on average would have gotten asthma but then you go over to your placebo group and say how many asthma cases were there same amount of people equally matched how many were in the in the placebo group and go only three oh well then clearly this drug is causing more asthma than not getting it right and that's how that works okay that's never happened for any childhood vaccine it happens for every drug every cancer drug everything we do so of all the things you're gonna rush on the market why would it be a perfectly healthy child's product they'll hold you know cancer patients will be in four-stage cancer said I'd like to try that trial drug it's like I'm sorry that's right it's still in a safety trial you're gonna have to wait a few years and I'll say I'm gonna be dead in a few years and I'm willing to take the risk I'm dying here sorry safety so important so put that with but we won't have the same preciousness about safety on a product to a kid that's not dying cancer has no health issues whatsoever it's really really shocking so anyway that's why this movie is so important back in when I was traveling the country with Vax in 2016 we were on this bus like I described and we're gonna be going up through Detroit Michigan and someone reached out I didn't know who they were and they said hi I'm big fan of the film while you're in Detroit I know the head of infectious disease at Henry Ford Health would you like to meet him and I said sure that'd be fascinating you know I'm assuming he's pro vaccine and everything else and if he's gonna watch I want it everyone to see back right that movie by the way is also incredible movies incredible and the personal stories are amazing so I went to dinner with Dr. Marcus servos in 2016 lovely dinner he sat down and one of the first things he said he's like you know I've watched your film it's very compelling but you keep saying something on this tour of Iran I've seen your YouTube videos that I take issue with you keep saying they've never done the proper science to establish safety in any of the childhood vaccines he said so I went I sit on the biggest databases in the world and I went to do the research to bring it to you to show you you're wrong and he said and I'm shocked that I have to sit across from you and tell you're right and he brought that to you to me he said you know he'd been watching these videos and thought like he's like I am shocked that we have never done it like I just described never done a placebo trial and any of the childhood vaccines and he said now I want to be clear that doesn't mean that vaccines aren't safe it just means we can't say that they're safe I said yet you are yet every television station every doctor is saying they're safe and they have no scientific backing for that he's like yeah I see your frustration with that he's like but I don't know what I can do for you I'm pro-vaccine I said well I'll see you hold on a second you do studies at Henry Ford Henry Ford is one of the most esteemed research centers in the world you do studies right he's like yeah I said would you ever do a study then that compared the health outcomes of vaccinated children with completely unvaccinated children because you can't go backwards like I can't do a placebo study the train flip the station right that's it we can only do a study that looks back at people that already made this choice I can't block someone from having a vaccine but there's children like my children I'd be happy to have you do a study on my children's health that are unvaccinated and there's a lot of people like that and so he said sure I would do that study and so that was 2016 I sort of pressured him for several years he eventually finally did the study in 2020 about where you have to pressure him because was he concerned what I mean was it going backers like I just don't have the time I don't just don't have a time it's not my priority I wasn't going to fund it for him, so I don't know how it's going to get funded. I don't really know, but in 2018, I brought Aaron Siri, my lawyer, and went and met with him. And we really kind of said, look, you're confident in the vaccine program, right? He's like, yes. And I'm like, there's a civil war breaking out in this country over the safety of vaccines. You could end it. If you do this study and it shows the vaccine or healthier, we're done. We'll move on. But one rule, whatever this study proves, you publish it. And he said, yeah, of course, the data where it leads me, great. And so 2020, we find out he's finished the study and he's refusing to publish it. And I was like, I called him, you know, what's going on? You know, the deal was you published it. He's like, yeah, at some, at one point he said to me, tell, I am not, I'm not comfortable with ending the vaccine program. I said, what do you mean by that? You're saying that this one study could be that destructive to the vaccine program. He's like, it's really bad. And I was like, well, then you have to publish the world needs to know. He's like, you know, he was just having a hawing. I just kept saying, you know, over the course of a couple of years, and we're in the middle of COVID by that point, I'm like, okay, there's too much going on. Yeah, we've got a lot going on. And but in 2022, I finally thought, let me give this one more shot. I mean, it did happen to have a speech I was giving up in Detroit. So I'm going to be in Detroit. You want to get dinner? He said, sure. So we went to dinner. I decided to bring hidden cameras and recording equipment with me. My assistant was with me. And we went and had dinner because I really, I didn't know what I would do with it. But I wanted whatever was said. I wanted the truth to be known and have some proof or evidence of it. And so he sings the praises of the study. I say, is there any way you could do it better? This is all in the film. I mean, what makes the film I think so compelling? Yeah. I just tell the story. Wow. To be one, to tell the story, just about a study like this. But it's sitting at that dinner and hearing his inner, you can feel his internal conflict. 100%. The tension is palpable. You know, he knows what the right thing he does. Yeah, he does. He states it. I know I should be publishing this, but I can't. I will be, it'll be the end of me, it'll be the destruction of my career and I just can't live with it. And so I got all that on camera and still had no way of publishing the study. Didn't know how I could put this out. And then just this year, a few months ago, Senator Ron Johnson saw the study and said, I'm going to publish it on the Senate website as an offering to the public good. And they can't stop me from doing it. And suddenly that opened up an opportunity to tell this story that I'd been a part of since 2016, all the hidden camera footage I had. And so I was like, okay, when is that hearing? And it was like a month and a half is like, I need a year to make the documentaries like Dell. I'm not waiting that long. I'm doing this hearing in a month and a half. I was like, okay, well, let's make the best movie we can. And I'll tell you this, we made it probably about two months, a couple weeks after we won the Malibu film festival with it, the best of festival. This is another one of those moments where I think God stepped in. It would be very, very difficult to make a great documentary in two months the way we did. But I have a team that does a weekly talk show, doesn't, you know, when we're filmmakers, you look at differently TV, you move faster, so I have a team that moves faster already. And having that short period of time, it kept us from going off on side tangents. Like I remember one point we're editing and we're getting into what happened in COVID, the pandemic, and I was like, no, hold on, we're off track. We don't have time to handle that much. We can't make the movie that broad. Let's stay focused. Let's just stay on the placebo trials, what's been done? What's the actual science? Well, who are the best scientists to talk about this? What does this study tell us? And for that reason, I think it is a very simple, a very clear and powerful, very easy to understand. And a lot of people are reaching out and saying, I had friends that didn't understand this topic and I gave them the movie and they get it now. Yeah, I would say the same thing. I'm really happy about that. Yeah, it's incredible. A couple of things about that have come up, will you just share the number of vaccines that are on the schedule for children as compared to whatever year? But will you share a little bit about the comparison and some of the things that I just think are eye-opening? Yeah. Yeah. So one of the things we do is people that give their children vaccines, like, I got vaccines, I'm just doing what's right. I'm doing the same thing that I had with me. Well, not if you were born before 1986, before that liability protection was brought in. It used to be you could see the manufacturer when you could, there's only 10 vaccines on the market. Until 1986. Until 1986. You could sue. Obviously. And so, and then in 1986, the pharmaceutical industry, basically blackmailed Ronald Reagan. They said, we're going to start making all vaccines unless you protect us from the liability. Because they said, they publicly said, we are losing so much money from death and injury lawsuits that we cannot make a profit. I mean, think about that. This was not, this was not angel juice. This was a deadly product and they did not know how to fix it. And instead of fixing it and making it better, they asked for protection from Reagan. And I think the threat that people like, well, why would Reagan go through with it? Because we were entering the biological weapons age, right? We were no longer afraid as much of nuclear weapons. We were afraid of a biological attack. And Ronald Reagan, the pressure that pharmaceutical industry brought is, hey, if you ever have a terrorist that attacks you with smallpox or something, you better be able to ramp up a vaccine program over a night and won't be able to do that if we walk away. And that is how they got away because I think a lot of people are like, why would Reagan, that's why he was afraid being vulnerable and they used that. So instead of fixing this product, they just said, we'll just stop making it. And he's like, hold on, hold on. And we gave total liability protection. So what happened? That's the 1980s. If you look at the 1980s, it's 10 total of vaccines by the time you're 18. And our chronic disease rate at that point is 12.8% in our children. 12.8% would have a chronic disease either neurological disorder or an autoimmune disease. Then suddenly take away liability and it's the gold rush for the vaccine program. And it absolutely explodes by late 90s, early 2000s, we're up to 54 vaccines and remember some of them like D-Tap is three different things. It ends up being about 72 vaccines. It's a little different state by state, but roughly 72 vaccines by the time you're 18. From 10 to 72. From 10 to 72. And in that same time period, we go from 12.8% chronic disease in our children to 54%. So now more than half of our kids are permanently sick. And either a neurological disorder or an autoimmune disease. And that is just, you know, shocking now, people in the audience right now will say, well, I mean, how do you know that's vaccines? That's anecdotal. Sure. I totally agree. That's anecdotal evidence. There's several things that we look at. Something Robert Kennedy Jr. talks a lot about. The EPA did a study on this skyrocketing rate of chronic illness. It all goes back to EPA targets it back to right around 1994's where we just see kids just getting sicker and sicker and sicker. And there's only a handful of things that enter our environment there. It's glyphosate, which is the herbicide sprayed over 90% of our crops. It's plastics, bisphenols, PFAS, forever chemicals, fire retardants in, you know, clothing and bedding that we're putting on our babies, which we don't use anymore. But that's in this vaccine program that explodes. That's about it. And so it's going to be either a combination of those things or one of those things. And what I would say to people is, you know, whether it's the pesticides or hormones in our beef or fluoride or water, like all those things, first of all, all of those were said to be safe by the FDA. And so that means no matter what it ends up being, they are not exonerated. They have poisoned us. Our regulatory agencies, our health agencies have approved chemicals in our food, chemicals in our environment, things in our water, things in our, you know, meats in our vegetables, that we know are poisoning us. And so the blood is on their hands no matter what it ends up. Period. Yeah. But if autoimmune disease is the crisis of our time, which it is, or let's call it immune dysregulation, a confused immune system that is no longer immune is very interesting when we look at it, all your immune system does is try to determine what is self and what is not self, you know, it's a binary process, you know, it's bumping up in our, it's bumping up our T cells, bump against every cell going through our body. And if it's, it binds a foreign protein, alert, alert, attack, kill, get it out. This is it us. This isn't me. So in this process of vaccinating, we're, we're putting foreign proteins into our body that are supposed to set off this alarm system. But you know, we're not just doing it one time, right? I'm not just tricking the immune system one time sending off this alarm system. In an unnatural way, you're not catching the full virus. You're getting a piece of it. It's also attached with a boarded fetal DNA that it was grown on when you think of measles. And it has polysorbate 80 and aluminum in some of these vaccines designed to create an inflammatory event in your body to make the reaction even stronger. And so we're creating these strong reactions to viruses and bacteria. And we're not just tricking your immune system one time or 10 times or 20 times or 50 times 72 times. We're now doing this with our children. It's literally a product. This is my point of all the products we may be concerned with. This is the one, the one and only one that is designed to alter your immune system for life. It's designed to trick your immune system into thinking it's at a disease and create a memory of that event. And we do it over and over and over and over and over again. So I'm sorry. It's true. Every if you look me up online, the one thing they want to make clear is Dell is not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. Never went to med school. Never went near it. I made that clear. But I am a logical person. And I do ask sensible questions. And if our immune system is doing something we've never seen happen in the human body, which is suddenly it's attacking the cells in our own body. It's attacking our heart. It's attacking our pancreas. That's diabetes. You're myelin sheath around your muscles, multiple sclerosis. It's attacking things in your stomach. You've got ulcerative colitis. And all of this is in our children. I mean, if you look at like Crohn's disease, Crohn's disease, you know, a decade or two ago was considered a disease of Ashkenazi Jewish older men. It was very, very specific. And now infants have it. Why? What is happening that our bodies are fighting ourselves? It's not happening to any other mammal on the planet, not even in this country. No dogs or cats or horses having auto immune disease, only human beings. And so that's why this study is so important. If vaccines are playing a role in this immune disease crisis, we find ourselves in. Then there would be one easy way to tease it out, compare vaccinated children to completely unvaccinated children. What did Dr. Zervos discover in the conclusion of this study of 18,500 kids, 2,000 of them are unvaccinated, 16,500 vaccinated. They studied them both. And amongst the vaccinated, what they discovered is you're 2.5 times more likely to have a chronic disease if you received at least one vaccine compared to someone that gets none. At least just one. There were kids that only got one who were having issues. And so it got up to over the time period they looked, 2.5 times more likely to have a chronic disease. When you looked at just neurodevelopmental disorders, things like speech delays and things like that, they were 6 times more likely to have a neurodevelopmental disorder if they'd been vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. And nearly 6 times more likely to have autoimmune disease if they've been vaccinated. And so I have to make it clear, Henry Ford has sent a cease and desist letter. They've threatened defamation. We've printed their accusation of us on the website. And everyone can watch the film for free at an inconvenient study.com. You can download the study there. You can read why Henry Ford thinks what we're doing is incorrect. They claim essentially that our film suggests that the only reason this study wasn't published was because the results were so bad for the vaccinated. They said that is not true. That's defamation. The only reason it wasn't published was it was a bad data. And it was a bad study that didn't meet our scientific rigors. They sent that letter, by the way, before the film ever came out. They sent that letter before they knew that I had footage of the head of their infectious disease department. And the lead author on this study saying the exact opposite on the film. Unchlorist saying it's a good study, it's an important study. I even asked him, is there any way to do this study better? He's like, I wouldn't, I don't know how you could do this study any better. But I'm just not going to publish it because this will ruin me. Just the whole thing, it's so, so much, there's so much information. There are one or two other things that I think were specific. One of the things that you talked about was NICU. I don't even know how to ask the question in NICU. When they give a premium vaccine on that part, how even the nurses and the medical profession know. Yeah, so when you talk to neonatal ICU nurses, this is one of the problems of the vaccine program, right? It's a one-size-fits-all, doesn't care how healthy you are, how big you are. And the hepatitis B vaccine, which is like, I think the one of the world's stupidest vaccines. And we give it on the first day of life. And here's, let me explain why. It's stupid. First of all, if you want to get into the whole, you know, if we want to get into the religious side of this, I do believe this is, this is good and evil and light and darkness. You know, if we're creating the image and lightness of God, do we really feel like, I mean, we need to be injected with foreign chemicals to live in on his beautiful earth and breathe this air? I mean, it's an abomination that we all walked around in masks like God with somehow let a pestilence in the air that we couldn't survive. And the whole thing is a little bit hard to handle, but I've said it's gone further than that. The pharmaceutical industry is now the most powerful religion in the world. Most people as soon as they get a diagnosis will forget about, they'll go pray, but they'll do whatever their doctor says. And they all even have a new original sin that they've added to our world, which is your baby is born diseased. And your baby needs to inject vaccines before they ever even leave the doors of our, you know, cathedral that you've given birth in. It had his bee vaccine. That's a sexually transmitted disease. So hello, welcome to God's earth, gas for your first beautiful breath. And now we're going to inject you with your first sexually transmitted disease that you will never come in contact with unless you are sharing heroin needles or sleeping with prostitutes. And so you want to talk about Christian families, no Christian family should ever think they need this vaccine unless I'm random thing, like a blood transfusion led to the mother being hepatitis B positive. All right. It's rare. They're out there. But here's what's amazing. We blood test every mother in America before they give birth. So it's not a mystery. We don't have to vaccinate everybody's kids just so that we make sure that we protect that baby that was born to a hepatitis B positive mom. And so that's where the insanity begins is this hepatitis B vaccine given on day one of life that nobody will need if they live a wholesome life. And even if you don't, the problems you're going to run into aren't going to be happening till God forbid your teenager, right? Let's wait. Day one, we got some time, a little time to think if we really lose our course as parents, you know, let's get home. And so to the NICU story, they give it on day one of life, even if you're premature, even if you're two or three months premature, born, you're barely surviving. You somehow come out of the womb early and you can look up online. There's many NICU nurses that are claiming this that that in our NICU, as soon as they'll go get a crash cart, get a crash cart, meaning to be prepared for life saving measures were about to give a preemie a happy vaccine. They know it in flatlines. They prep, they prep, they prep for the flatline moment that's sure to come because this baby that's struggling to survive is not going to be capable of handling this aluminum packed, you know, death shot of hepatitis B that it doesn't even need. And instead of saying something, I mean, I'm proud of the nurses that are being honest about this, but it's like, how do you go through with it? How do you don't just stamp and say, this is sacral lid. This we are putting children at risk. And by the way, we have more babies die on the first day of life in America than every other industrialized nation combined. Say that again. We have more babies die on the first day of life in America. We cannot keep our babies alive as well as any other nation in the world. In fact, 50 percent more babies die in America on day one than all the other nations combined. Gosh, these statistics. They're horrible. They're horrible. No doctors should be proud of it. No HHS secretary. Like, when I see, you know, the former six surgeon generals of all signed a letter coming out against Robert Kennedy Jr. that he's dangerous for science. As I go, the same six attorney, I mean, surgeon generals that oversaw the highest SIDS death rates day one baby death rates. We've ever seen the greatest decline in human health since the 1980s going from 12% chronic disease to now 54% chronic disease, those same surgeon generals, the ones that left the pet petroleum Dies in our, you know, fruit loops while they allowed other countries to ban it. We kept it going those same surge in general Also led lead and arsenic and our baby food all of these things which Robert Kennedy Jr Is finally coming and cleaning up their mess. I'll bet they're upset. I'll bet they're getting together because they're gonna Go down in history as the greatest frauds and you know, you know, shills for industry that the world has ever known Look how sick we are seven. I think CDC just reported 76.4% of adults now have chronic disease 75% of kids in America could not pass the health requirements to join our military So this is now a national crisis just a crisis and I think just for parents who are just trying to do the right thing Right, we're just trying to I feel the same way about education. Yeah, I hear the same thing in education Well, I graduated and it's just I'm like we're not on the same planet. No, it's like so. Well, we're not talking about 10 We're talking about 72. We're not we didn't have last night. Now we do they're they're all we it's not apples to apples No, and so we have to just ask the question the name of the podcast the informed parent be informed That's it inform parents making form decisions and so not having the information. It's not a condemnation It's just like let's just get the information so that we can make informed decisions Yeah, I mean, you're doing these things if you're if and I'm if you're gonna vaccine vaccine if you're not not yeah But you're doing that because you're hoping that you're gonna give your child the best chance at a life That's healthy. Yeah, that's why you would do it. And so just taking the information and being able to compare it is so So critical. Yeah, I'll tell this just one story. I did vaccinate my kids I wouldn't have thought anything about it. I mean, I didn't I didn't read all the things because Unfortunately, you you trust the authority or a lot of people trust the authority you've been taught to trust the authority and so did Interesting not talking to anybody about it. Just doing what we all did in my friend group, right? Yeah, family Until Garda sell came out and I don't know how my daughter daughter was she was maybe the oldest 11 or 12 and they gave me the precursor When your daughter comes back next year, this is gonna be on the market and or this is gonna be the new thing This is gonna be what comes up and I remember asking a couple of questions, which I had really never done before Yeah, and I said, yeah, I don't think I don't think what's a four you know cervical cancer why why is that ask the question sex the whole thing and I thought I Mean she's 11 or 12. I'm doing this all by myself in the ring. Yeah, I said Yeah, I don't think we're gonna. I don't think we're gonna move forward with that. Oh, why in the world would a small if if we're testing it If it's a new thing, I think I'll just wait at I just I think we're not gonna be the guinea pig I mean, it was as simple as that didn't think another thing about it till we got back the next year. Yeah, I'm like No, I remember you saying that we're not gonna do it and then you know Have the red the big red mark on the outside of the folder like here she comes. She's one of those moms Yeah, I was so not one of those moms, right? I just sort of thought for a minute. I don't I just don't know that that makes sense So then because they kept pushing then that made me like what what is going on here? I've never been pushed about anything here before. Right. Why are you pushing? This is the strangest thing fast forward Now I'm one of those moms. They see me come and we're not one of those. Yeah Now you're being pushy. Yeah, now I'm gonna start thinking about this. Well fast forward to my son To maybe two or three years later. He was two years younger and we went in and they said hey It's time for your son to get the Gardasil shot and I said what and they said I said we don't Check the red mark on the folder like we don't do that and I said, you know Hold on a minute. I Thought that shot was mark. Well, I thought that was for Servical cancer and he doesn't have a service What I mean like this is I had never I don't even think I'd had a conversation with my husband about it You know, I mean like this was just seizing in a normal life just doing her thing and I'm like we're what are Well now we think that Boasting this and ask what are you doing? Like what what is really happening here and for me It was the beginning of just starting to learn to ask the question. I didn't have a passion around it It wasn't what I was thinking about in my daily life. It was not that it was just Maybe I need to in the same way I did with the education Maybe I as the parent need to stop for a minute and just ask some questions Maybe I need to read it all maybe I don't need to drink the Kool-Aid and I didn't even I wasn't even saying the Kool-Aid was poison It was more the responsibility of saying I don't necessarily just need to roll with it because I've always rolled with it And it was it was a wake up call. I changed the way that we approached even going to the doctor. Yeah I asked questions instead of just following and so this information I think is just so critical to help parents do just that. Yeah, I mean you've really devoted your life to it So I'm so grateful. I have one other just as we sort of wrap up. Yeah, talk about the FOIAs talk about Talk about what you were doing Like you're getting the information out, but there's also there's also a fight to stop some of this and it's and it's a unique way I believe that you've found to do this. I think it's important and an interesting thing to know. Yeah, so you know I said we when I started my non-profit We got Aaron Siri as an attorney who's amazing and Really all the lawsuits because we couldn't see the manufacturer. We're gonna go after the government. It was actually Aaron's Really did something that no one had ever thought to do Freedom of in FOIA freedom of information act is Really sort of for people to understand it the governments are government what we the people are in charge So I can actually put in a FOIA request. I want every email that Tony Fauci ever sent that includes the words You know mask Corona virus and deadly, right? And they'll do a computer search and those emails sometimes will be like That's two million emails. Yeah, you know, can you refine your service? But you're involved in a process But they have to hand you the information And so a lot of people use FOIAs to find out things that are hidden in the government or studies that you want to know about it There's education huge and education huge and education what's going on and yeah, you know You could ask are there any studies that were ever done on dumbing down populations? Is there you know, is there any studies on how to make Students better factory workers, right? I mean things you might want to know. We could call it conspiracy theory Let's just see if you can do a search and usually with oh my god there was a conversation between You know, so that's how that works Aaron had a thought though because A lot of this vaccine program is you know, really gaslighting right it's it's it's right now someone is going to attack this podcast Where to God you'll see comments saying it's not true. They've done placebo-based trials It's just on the first phase or the earlier version to like you're gonna see it all not true But it'll be posted doctors stay in confidently in it and I'm telling you those doctors aren't lying They just don't know they were taught they were taught it just goes way back Right, and they just assume there's no way the professors. I trusted got this wrong. I guarantee you they did Everyone has been building on the same pile of sand Uh, that's going on, but what we did was we started Aaron said we're gonna foyer for things that I'm pretty sure they don't have that they're saying they have we have mountains of science that says that vaccines don't cause autism How right? That's one of the big statements made So we put in a foyer request we would like to see Every trial that the CDC relied upon when you go to the CDC's website and it says across the top of one of the pages Vaccines do not cause autism. Does it say MMR vaccine or some vaccine says all back, you know, vaccines Do not cause autism and so we said great based on that point. Will you please provide us every trial you relied upon to establish that the vaccine did not cause autism for the first six vaccines Of the 16 of the first six given in the first six months of life because if we're diagnosing earlier and earlier Then certainly these early vaccines would be, you know, play into it and you're saying all vaccines You're not saying some all So give us the trials on the first six vaccines And so the what this is how this works they won't answer They have 30 days to answer we'll give them 60 days then we say You know a little petition reminder you are sitting on a foyer and you're past your time We need an answer to this we're just looking for the trials you relied upon to establish that hepatitis B Doesn't cause autism that the polio vaccine doesn't cause autism that the d-tap vaccine doesn't cause autism Like you making that statement. Where's the science on that and eventually they won't answer And so then we sue we sue because now you're breaking the law now you'd be like your own employee in your play will not give you the information that's, you know, in your side of your company. - Right. - And so, we see, we take them to court. And then in court, they're like, having in a home, we have more court. And like, what do you want? Like, we've been very clear, judge. We just want any studies, the trials they relied upon for the six vaccines to make this statement. And then eventually, they came back. I think this case took like a year and a half. Cost of fortune, by the way. It's only possible because of the support that we get. But what happens at the end of this very long case, they finally come into court and they say, we don't have any trials that meet that specification. We have no trials that say that the first six vaccines don't cause autism, doesn't exist. And so then the judge will turn to Aaron and say, well, there you have it. What do you want us to do? He said, great, I want a judge's affidavit order, like basically the judge signs and the CDC signs. We don't have those studies, we go, great, we'll take that. And that's what we've been doing. And essentially, we have broken down this entire mountain of lies. We've won through four requests and say, no, they don't have that. No, they don't have that either. No, they've admitted that all of this is a house of cards. And it's really unfortunate. And I sit and I think, you know, every time I come to a podcast for someone hearing this for the first time, it's just got to be, it's so implausible. Right? And I've had world-renowned scientists. In fact, that term Brett Weinstein, who does dark horse podcast is a, not for you, molecular biologist, you know, at trade. And he argued with me during COVID. He knew the COVID vaccine was bad. We said the trial to vaccine programs, great. And we got into a bit of a, you know, a little heated at a dinner at one night. And I said, look, Brett, you're too smart for this. You're saying something you know nothing about. I know you're going with a strong, vibrato and assumption. COVID, clearly glad you're speaking about that vaccine. It's a disaster. But you're, you're going to go and look into this. I know you will, get back to me when you have. And I mean, I'm a journalist. It's got to be annoying. He's a molecular biologist or whatever. Like, what do you know? And so sure enough, like a year and a half or so later, I was in the Kennedy campaign. He came up to me to Kennedy event. And he said, I have to apologize. And I had forgotten, well, what about, Brett? I thought, you know, we've been on stages and done things together since then. And he said, no, I did what you said I would do. I won and I did an investigation into the entire childhood vaccine program. And he said, and he said something is really fascinating. He said, I'm not one of those people that was under some assumption that vaccines don't or injures some people. There's no such thing as a perfectly safe product. I knew injury was real. What I was shocked to discover is that there is no science from a man who prides himself in science as a podcast all about science. And that statement did shock me. And he said, until I want to apologize to you and Bobby, I have put you down. I think I've publicly maybe even said it that you guys were off track and you stayed in there. And you just never you never gave in. And he said, tell us just so implausible. As a scientist to think that we made it this far a hundred years of vaccines at least. And, you know, 50 more, 1960s when it really takes off. And all of it was built on house of cars. A house of cars on assumptions and wishful thinking. And he's like, it's just he's like, I don't know how we're going to get people to believe it. That's where we're at, you know, and luckily people are. Luckily, I think I think the latest poll, 60% of pregnant moms are now saying in a poll that they are not going to follow directly with the CDC schedule. So I mean, they're going to, you know, they'll probably do some vaccine and just space them out. But what they're saying is I am not going to be out now to the schedule, and maybe I'm not going to touch it at all. A mini. And so it's hard. This information's hard for parent, I think, or anyone, you know, we're already so busy, right? I'm already working, you know, two jobs to feed my family. And now I'm checking the car seats and I'm doing the crash tests and I'm looking at strollers and I've spent a long time on, should I be stainless steel bottles or plastic or glass and everything you're fretting about when pots and pans are illuminated and reading about like the ingredients on food and I just wanted one part of this process. Can I just hand my baby to my doctor and say this is the one that I don't, you know, and it's the scariest one, right? I'm not a med student. How do I know what I'm looking for in a vaccine program? And so that's how they've gotten away with it. They've just, we've just bowed down and just been so intimidated by the size of what they're involved in. We never ask questions. So all I could say is start by watching an inconvenience study. Just go to it in mestudy.com. It's right there. As soon as this is done, that movie, it's riveting. It will blow your mind. If you're like holy cow, I would take a breath, vaxed, you know, maybe even more emotional as a film. It's incredible, true stories. And then if the question's alive in you, then there's, you know, then go to the high wire and there's so much information out there now. You can start searching it. But. Well, incredible. Thank you so much for your work. Thank you for being on the podcast. But it's truly is one of the best documentaries I've ever watched. And like I said, I went into it just as a parent. I look back and I think a couple of the health things that are going on with my children. I think is a parent. We so badly don't want to be a part of something that might harm or hurt our parents and to look at it and have to face it and say, maybe I should have done a little more work. You know, it's this is not about condemnation. Let's just know. It is not. I want to warn people. It does. It's hard. It's hard. And I think it's moving forward. Yes. You cannot blame yourself for something that you were lied to. Right. Right. How is that supposed to know? And by the way, lied to you by the authority figures, by my news channels, by my own president in the United States that said, go out and get this vaccine, right? So we're allowed forgiveness here. But, you know, we cannot be, like we cannot hide ourselves from the truth. And I really to sort of wrap it all up. I give a speech aloud where I start out with Genesis. And you create an image and likeness of God. And God tells Adam and Eve, you have everything you ever needed. You have all the water, beautiful, clean running water, and air, and food, and plants and animals, only one rule. Do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Lest you shall surely die. I remember asking my father who was a ministry. I don't understand what that means. I thought I was supposed to know good and bad. This is different. This is thinking you are like God. That you have the knowledge of God to really decide what's good, what's bad. And I remember him saying, God can count every hair on your head. Don't trust any man that says that they can do that. And I think that's the position we find ourselves in this vaccine program. The vaccine program was man's attempt to make the human body even stronger than it was to protect us from disease so that we do not get sick. I mean, on one level, beautiful idea. But, and maybe it was a good idea with two vaccines, five, maybe 10, I don't know. But at 72 vaccines, this thing is out of control. The fact that you're not testing it at all, doing no science. So it's not even science. It's a religion itself. And so I'm trading the religion which told me I made in the image and likeness of God. And I should never mess with the millions and billions of. Maybe I don't know the hairs of my head. Maybe I don't know them. You don't have a million or some more bacteria and viruses on your hands right now. And inside of your stomach, bacteria and viruses, some of them deadly, that have all been working on a perfect balance under God's design. And now human beings are going to go, I'm going to kill one of those. I'm going to kill that one too. And that's going to make your healthier. Really, really, you don't imagine. You can't imagine that maybe you're throwing this entire system out of whack. Because if you can't imagine it, go look at the health of our kids. More than half of them are permanently sick. Lest we shall surely die. We are seeing the fruits of our labor at the moment. It doesn't work so good. Thank you so much. Beautiful way to wrap it up. I so appreciate you. I so appreciate the work and just a powerful conversation. I appreciate you. Thanks so much. I appreciate you too. Hey, parents, if you have listened to the informed parent podcast at all, you know I'm absolutely passionate about innovative education. More and more, parents and teachers and entrepreneurs are waking up to the possibilities of new options in education for the next generation. If you've ever found yourself wondering, could I start a homeschool pod or option from my own family? Could I prioritize my family and still offer great education? Or how about this? Could I build something meaningful that reflects our values and our schedule? Then the pod packet is for you. 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I'm saying, when do you watch the documentary? The statistics are just absolutely compelling. They are statistics. It's unreal. And then when you think about how they're going about the Freedom of Information Acts or the FOIAs, really going through the back door to demand that the content that we're all reading is backed up with facts. It's brilliant. And they're winning these over and over and over again. And y'all, the conversation about the scientists, the one who actually has the information, you heard him say in the interview that part of the deal was no matter what you find, you're going to publish the study. That was the deal. And so when the study comes out and someone makes a decision to not publish and then says, and it's in the documentary, you watch it. You actually watch the internal struggle of someone knowing the right thing to do, knowing the thing that will help other people that will stop some of what we're seeing and that increase that he talks about with childhood illness, literally say, I know it's the right thing. I'm just not it. This is what he says. I'm not a good person. I just, I'm not going to do it. It is so, so important that we know where this information is coming from and that we know the truth. I think what Dell has done here is he's just presenting the facts. This has been his passion. He's been in this, you can hear industry for a very long time. But when this is put together and presented, what it does is exactly what we're talking about on this podcast informed parents make informed decisions. How often are we making decisions just assuming that we have the information we need? I did it and I'm not saying I'm completely, you know, a non-vaccine or what I'm saying is as parents, we need to be informed. 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