S5 E10: Caroline, Creativity & Calligraphy Cut | Behind The Mirror Podcast

(upbeat music) - Welcome to Behind the Manor podcast, I'm Laura. - I'm Gary. - And today we are joined by the incredible Caroline Lampe, the woman behind the brand, Limit Without Limitations. - Hello, thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here and tell you all about it. You certainly made an entrance with it. - You certainly have. - Thank you so much. - You look great. - Thank you. - We've been designed in Scotland. This is Timmer's Beastie fabric. - Oh really? Yeah. - Oh wow. - Yeah, you're doing the wallpaper, didn't you? - Yeah. - Is that what they first come out like, the wallpaper, is that right? - Yeah, and this is actually a poll street fabric. - That's incredible. - I made Debbie Rusek, she designed it for me after some sketches, so. - That's outstanding. - So VMD, that is just listening and not actually watching, it's a very colorful, very pleasant outfit, it's incredible. - What are we or she's in the room anyway? - Yeah, thank you. - Welcome, welcome. - So for obviously our viewers that don't know who you are, so what's your story Caroline, so going back to the very sort of the beginning of how you began maybe an industry? - Okay, that goes back just over 21 years. I first started at one of the pommetials schools in California. I went to night school. Super passionate, I didn't miss a day. I had perfect attendance. I had to work three jobs 'cause it was America. And then go to night school. And then really loved that part of my career because I was able to really come into myself, get really great support and self-esteem boosting. And when I came to the UK, I definitely needed a little bit polishing. So then I started my rest of my career in a very reputable salon in Glasgow and worked with them for about eight years. And then I kind of was like, you know what, it's time for me to find my own way in this place in this industry. - And there is a lot of differences between the here Jason and the states compared to here. So there would have been a bit of an adjustment for you at that point even, you know, culturally everything, you know, pacing, all that. - Absolutely. - So I just qualified, you have to do a state board test to see if you're safe with your scissors, chemicals, which I think that could be quite beneficial in this country. You weren't allowed to touch anyone until you had, they called it the core training, which was 10 weeks of practical in theory, then you were allowed to cut hair. - That's a fantastic question. - Yeah. Well, we've discussed before on previous episodes. So we've heard a bit how different it was in the states because you have to apply for your cosmological licenses like right? - Yes. - So if you don't mind me asking, and you don't need to answer if you don't want to, do you mind me asking how much did you pay for your cosmological license? - 16 grand. - Wow. - Wow. - But I wanted to go to Paul Mitchell because of, I couldn't actually afford to pass in sadly. - Okay. - And it was Santa Monica that's closed down now because they wanted 20 grand and I wasn't able to get loans or anything. So I mean, we had a variation of people, some really embarrassing times, but things that really gave me a thick skin, I feel like that. You weren't afraid to make mistakes there 'cause they were praising them, calling them discoveries. - No, right, okay. - We had a definite mentality. - Yes. - And 'cause that's what we've discussed before 'cause they say, oh, Americans, they charge so much for their hair and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I have to say, as well, I've heard that they need to, it's not like I was over here, we essentially get it for free. We get top for free. So these hairdressers need to make their money back. So I'm so, it's very nice to speak to someone who's actually been there and can confirm that. - I'm not going insane. - That I'm not going insane. - Yeah. - And we're also a big fan of Tabitha Salon Takeover. Did you watch that? - Oh my God, my mates and I loved it. - Oh, I know, we're still trying to get really strong. - Still trying to get her on. - Oh my gosh, I would love that so much. - If we ever get her on, we'll invite you down. I'm pretty sure she'll be quite honest with you. - Thank you. - Oh, I know, I can still watch some of the episodes at home, like just go back to the beginning. - I know. - And there was the one with the Cosmetology School, I don't know if you remember. And I remember the teacher did actually, so this is a level five and she's got, put that down, go and get my color chart. And you show me where that's a level five. She's got put that down, I love that, I absolutely love that. - My friends and I still imitate some of the moments. Like there is an Irish woman's head, I was Salon in Miami. And she was like watching on CTTD, like monitoring everything. She's like, what's about the purple client? (laughing) - I know exactly what you're talking about as well. - There's other ones too, like Michael was nit big in the facial room. (laughing) - I always loved what she says. And you never know, and maybe back, and you're like, well, we know you're going to be back. - No, no, no. - We know you're going to be back six weeks. - No, no, no. - To tell us a bit about the band, so how did that outcome about? - Oh wow, like the brand has just been like an accumulation of like, oh, I could actually cry sometimes because it's a really personal, genuine project that incorporates stuff from my childhood, from teachers that weren't hairdresser's, but they really taught me - Inspired. - Yeah, there's like homage to so many things. And it's a quirky experience to get you out of your comfort zone. And I don't know how many times, or how many times someone can recall when they actually had a genuine, new experience. - And having that feeling safe enough, and confident enough to do that. Because obviously in this day and age, that, you know, I think especially with social media, now creativity, I mean, plays a huge part in the way that we will market themselves, but a lot of people are still frightened of being too creative or even allowing themselves to be, for whatever reason, or, you know, I'm not sure. - Yeah, I really want to help that too, 'cause when I did my training here, I needed proper refinement. But I will say it was quite a dark time too, like I'm happy to take criticism and direction, but I think it was at the detriment to myself esteem that I cocooned myself, like, and just did my own thing. And that's why I say I've been in industry snooze for the last 10 years, but now I've just woken up out of this coma, if you will, or cocoon. And, yeah, like, I'm just ready to put my stamp on things and I want to keep building this brand and having all women's art team predominantly and really show that because I still think that that's the representation of women is still quite lacking, but I also feel like they don't have the platform, and I'm not saying men aren't talented and hardworking, it's just so intimidating when someone's there just dictating that this is how this should be and, you know, also another inspiration for starting this is like, I didn't see myself in a lot of brands. - You do have a very distinctive look, and I totally get what you mean by that now, don't you? 'Cause I couldn't imagine you working on a Paul Mitchell floor, and that is no, there is no offense meant by that. I love that you're like, and this is unapologetically me, and I'll set up my own people who want to work with me. - Yeah, and I've got so, like, I had an opportunity to mentor the fellowship of British hairdressing, like I'm super passionate about calligraphy cuts, and I, again, Sarah Reggett, she said, you have been so passionate about this from day one, come up with a cutting and coloring course, so that's when my imagination started going, and then my mate Lee, who does a lot of my content, he said, Caroline, this is absolutely incredible, and I'm not even a hairdresser, just keep going with this, and I just was like, you know what, I'm gonna do it, yeah, yeah. So obviously, so the idea is to allow hairdressers to find that creative side in themselves, isn't it? And if the confidence to use it, it's going to benefit when you're with your day-to-day clients as well, a lot of people go, I don't know what to do, you'll be able to play this with your clients, certain decks. This is just the beginning. - So yes, so there's a game, there is a game, there is a game, which is amazing, because actually I don't know, I've never heard of anything like that. - Me that, at first I was thinking, is it good to play sneaks and lather? Like what, as a title reading, you know, with the card, you know? - Yeah, well, we tarot cards eventually. - Oh, excellent, so the idea is that you just voluntarily pick, like, how many one card, two? - Well, the great thing about it is that you're not, even if you booked on this course, like, three times in a year, I'm never gonna give you the same experience twice. And I'm just gonna keep playing around with it, throw you curve balls, because that's another thing I think too, especially a lot of people going self-employed, they need something to keep themselves motivated and inspired. So it also helps problem solve, 'cause a lot of people, I mean, I've been noticing it, you know, I also have a salon called Outlaw Hair Dressing, just stepped the road and self-side. And I get so many clients because there's so many hairdressers that are so scared to cut hair, and they're referring mollets to me and all these, and I was like, what, and I help you with that? But I think people are just too scared as well, and I might be the hierarchy that they were, you know, go get cheese and coffees and sweep up, then you can speak to me, and then we, you know. - The best salon just to be years ago. - Yeah, I think there's a lot to be said about people that you know like to see in the comments. comfort zone and you know they may be are happy with that and but I think there's nothing better than challenging yourself especially as time goes on and then you know you bring in industry for a good few years I think nothing you know it can only be good for you as well. You remember years ago though like if you ever got like about a bleach on tint and it would change colouring like get that off get that off and now we are all merging colours together now with our mixer bleach until like a root thing. Almost no breaking the rules. Yeah but I would have been one of these people that was too scared to add it but I want to take that off quick quick so as it's great how creative them the series got and I definitely would love to come on I've been under the course. And that's one of them for an X creative collaboration. I love to invite both of you. This is down at the Ocean Terminal and Timmy I would do a guest spot there ever so often Timmy is an icon in the industry I feel and it's so nice to be surrounded with so many women that are present right now that are starting to make momentum and I feel like I've found people that we can all take this forward in their own way. She does a wonderful group called The Good Girls Club. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. And empowering women of all different professions so X creative collaboration is down Ocean Terminal in Edinburgh and that's going to be on the 19th of oh sorry excuse me the 26th of October. Okay okay yeah yeah yeah I'll just say if I'm free I'm I'm looking so you I can just tell I'm going to leave inspired. Thank you. Even if it's like this is how to shampoo her. It's going to be shampooing on your head or something you know but I know I'm really I would really love to come so yeah. Oh I would love to have videos. So the end of it so you get like Mr. Jeff here or something to say that you've completed that. Get a certificate. The plans for ongoing without revealing too much is that I'm going to have an interactive website so I've already been working on content for that. I know it doesn't look as professional but I have faith in myself because Paul Mitchell started with like 600 800 bucks out of the back to their car so I'm here I'm in no rush to get investments or you know what I mean like I want to just nurture this. Yeah. Everything has everything takes time there's no brand that has ever just started and been at the level that's that from day one isn't they're not well need to grow. Well Paul Grease here dressers. In find your own path and find you know what works what it works for you I think is probably the most important thing because you want to stay to fill to yourself and not have other people probably you know take over that. There was a man at hair con and he's like oh you know he should talk so and so and so I was I was like I just want people to give me money and then I can do what I want with it and it'll be amazing. It would be like very easy. It was just like yeah get real. Yeah that's what that money appeared in my bag. So can I show people the card the day I'm not obviously sure what I'm gonna say but just so they've got an idea of of what. Can I have a sneak peek at the back I'll get you some. I'll not read the my eyes. Is it definitely different colors of the different categories or different categories and we're developing other ones so and also I'm I'm want to preserve art as much as possible so I'm actually working with local artists to keep this art alive that they will have an exclusive Glasgow deck. I will honor the artists of Glasgow as well the previous ones because in this world of AI I know that there's been a lot of you know oh we need this we don't I get really sad about that because I think it can really dilute things and it you know like I just want to have people still have jobs have a genuine voice in the industry. What should we do here? I think we're thinking of kids here just because obviously there's you know we're so hands on in the creative team. Should I just come over and select one at random or are you going to give me one? Oh my gosh okay so without showing anyone I'll let you pick one of I'll pick you let you pick one out of this deck or two. Can you hold them up a bit so the camera can see them just like the back of them yeah so you can see so it looks like yeah it's like a large deck of cards so this was translated and designed my vision by my dear friend Suzy Eason Claire who has a business here in Glasgow or she lives outside of Glasgow now but she has interpreted it so beautifully so. I want you to see Glasgow. Glasgow. - Glasko. - Glasko. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever seen that meme when it's like, "This is her murder, can you see it?" It's like, "This is her glassco?" - Yeah. - Glassco. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But you see, you're like, "Glassco, you make it sound so posh." - Thanks. (laughs) - So the reality too, color and styling cut. - Yes, I'm trying that out, gosh, it's like, I don't wanna give all my cards that I'm gonna take. - No, no, no, absolutely. - Because there's a whole experience that goes with this, so it's like hard. Yeah, so, okay. First off, obviously I'm gonna change it each time, but if you wanna take two at random amount of that one. - So this is what you would do with your client or simply, or you could also do it with your team for like a chain and I think that was the thing that I thought was really good for me being a salon owner. - Yeah. - Sometimes if there's free time and you think, like, go and do something on that, that train and head. - So picked out of that pink deck for me. - This one? - Yeah. - So I'm looking at it. - I'm looking at mine. - I'm looking at mine and I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to get from this just now, so what would. - So the idea is that you're going to challenge yourself by the inspo decks, so then you have to use everything that you pick out at random. - Right, so you put it all together to make your final, yes. - So I've been given two different colors, that's all I'll say. - Yes. - So that's what I would use to them. - Yes. - Oh, I'm loving this already. - But then there's another part to that that you can only add certain colors that I'm going to allow you to. - So is that like a different- - Is that your pattern? - Yeah. - Are we allowed to go through all the shades? - No. - There are most of them. - That's only me and Laura but I'm going to tell anybody. - Well you can have a look just to look at it now. - I'm just excited. No, no, give me, I'm sorry, turn them around. Give me two out of the oranges, what I mean, sorry. Just like- - So would you pick like how many from each color? - So one get one from each. - Right, okay, and in that's your what you're using. - Yes. - Nobody will have or have the same inspo. Leaf scissors, everything's on tap. That's another unique thing about it. So if you want to get a plane from Milan and to Glasgow or London, the entire kit is on tap. I've got who's with backing me up. So thank you very much who's with for believing in me. And pivot point is going to be the dull heads. - Oh, I love pivoting. - That's what we use. Oh cool. So yeah, and it's open to collaborations and different color houses. - Yeah. - Okay, I will give you, we'll do this one then. - So once you have all your cards at that point in the end, so you basically everything that is on each of your cards, that's what you have to use to create your image. - Yeah. - This is interesting, this is not what I thought it was going to be. It is actually so much better. - It is actually so much better. - It's very cerebral, actually. - Yeah. - Sorry for interrupting the show. I've been given colors and I've been given a shape. Would I then have to put these colors within the shape? Is that the goal? - Well, that's your limit. - So you can use that how you like. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Okay. - I am loving this already. - Yeah. - To choice what? - Yeah, I only have one. - All right, well. - But then I'm, you know, I'm going to teach you to develop your eye and if you're not as advanced, I want the big dogs in here too, and I want to see what the fuck they create with this. I would love to work like Hob salon, do a day with them. And, you know, so yeah, it's really exciting. - And I feel like it would then feed other ideas in your head, so you know, because it's just open in that part of your brain to go away from the normal commercial day to day client. - So did you read those colors, have you read them? - So I've already got like the shape and the two colors on the outside. - You already started to picture something that you could do. - Yeah. - I don't even know. - And I absolutely love them. - I think it's interesting. Even probably if me and Gary had the same cards, and we would totally interpret that different as well. So just because we had the same cards doesn't even, so I can't even imagine having, you know, the choice and the mixture, you know, you could create endless. - Absolutely. And there's head sheets that go with this too. So if you have someone that's just starting in college, even if they need to go, hey, I really wanna try how to do a halo haircut. That's all I really wanna learn. I'll sit and I'll spend the time with you to take you through that. - Yeah. - So again, it can be, yeah, just like translated and so. - So I suppose at that point as well as also identifying something that maybe they aren't confident to do. - Exactly. - So because, you know, a lot of the time, yeah, until maybe a client comes in the door with something, you maybe don't actually how it's not highlighted what you're confident in or not. So at that point in the end, there's your focus. - Totally. - Discover your limits and leave without limitations. - I was gonna say 'cause it's limits without limitations, isn't it? - Yeah, it's a good plug-up. - Yeah, that's a good plug-up. - This is also going to be developed into other avenues of creativity as well. You've got so much you can use that for, but I think that's amazing, I think. - Believe in just from as I say, those cards. - Yeah. - I had just three different ideas of what to do, but I would never have thought I'd use in those. Ideas together. There's so many things you can use them for. So you can use them for training with your staff. Yeah. You can use them for quieter days for content. Exactly. You can use them for clients. We bit of a clients, you know, feeling like they're stuck in a rot and they want something a bit different. Yeah. You can use it if you're entering award shows. Yeah. And you're collecting or something out of the box. Yeah. And you can use it just for your own challenges. Absolutely. If you're feeling like, oh, you know, feel like a lot. 'Cause we all do get came to stuck in a rot. Oh, yeah. So are just for just a bad fun? Yeah. You just feel like Wendy. Yes. What can we do today? It's empowering too. Yeah. Like Rebecca Mills. Oh, I'd dearly love. She took one of the piloting courses when I did with calligraphy cut. I will talk about calligraphy cut as well. I brought that with me. And she was like, oh, I didn't push myself as much. So she took the doll head with her because she'd get to take it home. And then she set it up. Didn't even waste any time. And then she's like, this is what I wanted to create and send it to me. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, yes, this is exactly what I want to see. So has she played that a bit safe when she was actually there and then thought, oh, I've been too safe. Yeah. That's interesting. Because so I've entered the Scottish hair and beauty awards. Fantastic. And I've got a chain and head at home as well. And I've sent something over to Laura and I went, oh, what do you like? Has got this one? Like, give me your opinion on this and give me your opinion on this. I kind of remember what sage actually preferred. Did you prefer the second one? The second one on the kind of a more lined one rather than, yeah. But yes, I've just got so many things going on. Just from those cards already. I think the thing is as well. Like a lot of people, yeah, it's getting into that frame of mind where it's not everybody that's walking down the street. You're not like, what maybe, you know, you think, well, who's going to want that? Like, you have to kind of like, think past that. Yeah. I'm sorry. Because there's been a minute people that they do. These will be able to, this is again, you know, translating it into your everyday clients. Also, the next step to be is naturals. So it's at that point, yeah, if you're not going to work with evidence and things, but it could all be translatable. Mm-hmm. Wait, every single one of your cards. I just have to come to Edinburgh. I think that's just, I think that's, I've never seen anything or hear anything like that. Thank you. That's you're so clever. So yeah, how did you develop what made you think I'm going to create this? I just, I'm just so sick of the mundane. And like, when I wanted to do hairdressing, I was like, look at this. Any label widths and look at the Keith Herring and what he, you know, like all this punk scene and when hair is really art and it's not, yeah, mainstream. Yeah. And that's great. Like, I do really enjoy doing really geometric and, you know, spending time with my clients. That was another huge reason. Like, I love when people are all together and creating and I just don't want anyone to feel like, again, like, to feel that this isn't for them. Because they will discover stuff and they're psyche that they're like, oh, okay, I could approach that differently. Vivids isn't something I do a lot, but when I do do them, I just, I love doing them. I really do. And I like being so creative with it. And rainbows are my favorite thing to do, you know, with the prisms and things, which, again, which is one of the other sides of my training head. And I'm probably more of your day-to-day, you know, Balea's beautiful hair, but even just you being here, I'm like, I want to go and dive my hair green. It does inspire you to be more, I think, even just being on your presence. Oh, that genuinely, this is what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm like, what are you going to like bleach my clothes or something? I don't know. I'm first doing it right now. I know. I just, honestly, you've definitely got to have a presence like that, you know, and I'll think it's so much. It's a shame Lisa actually can't. I know. You have brought a presence in here, but she's really bizarre. I can't stop grinning. I've never felt like. I know, girls. I think it's just because you just seem so focused on, you know, exactly what you want, where you want to go with it. This, you know, this didn't happen overnight. Like, I had to do such a lot of work on myself as steam, and then just confidently go into my ideas. Also, I always think that all the horrible men that in my hairdressing career, it was like, now you can't do that or your ideas are stupid. And actually, now you probably can think them because they've pushed you through that world because it wasn't for you. It's such a shame because I've agreed with the girls before. Obviously, there is that hierarchy of men still technically rule the world, but the girls know that I'm all for. Of course. You have a podcast with two wonderful women. Exactly. You're an ally. But you know, I mean, it's like, it's a shame that women have felt like that. And it's a shame that you have, I don't know, as a man, I've never felt like that. I've maybe never thought that person's better than me or whatever, but I've never felt looked down on. Is it always been in us? What's that word? Like, and the authority, definitely always came from a male presence. Yeah. And there is a still a bit of that at the moment. And I don't know why, but like, we spoke about it before on Brian's episode, like, a male presence in a salon generally, I feel like that's what it was. It's just, it's just. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's, don't mean they think. So even for clients and things, if you know, they want some, they senior, then we're then more likely to go to the male than the female. For what? I don't know why. But I think that's generational though. Yeah, I think so. It's ingrained into people. So I remember it was Vivian McKinder when she came to do a day with us at Paul Mitchell. That's what was so exciting about Paul Mitchell as well, is that they even know it was 16 grand. You had John Paul DeDoria show up and give you a class. Oh my God, I've been my dream. Yeah, please. He was so wonderful. Like everyone would be like, do one of their hair work and he'd come over and he'd be so present and be like, hello, like, really never let it go to his head. It's fun as well, because I think if I had met you on an outside seat, see we were on a night and I'd meet you, I would feel a bit intimidated. But you're not in a, a negative way. I'd be like, oh, she's definitely more in it for more than me. Does that make sense? So I feel you do have a presence. Yeah, and it's not a negative thing, but I would be like, oh, I would go inside of her. Do you know what it is? It's the confidence. I think it's the confidence to wear something. It's bright. You're not afraid to blame them. People then at that point don't feel maybe confident enough today in company with them because it's like, am I, you know, kind of, well, I thought I was calling with an angel. There's another side of me that can shave my head and go sleep on yoga mats all around India by myself. I think you'd be good. Me too. I'm coming to NW. Be camping your phone. Love that. I just dropped off the face of the earth for my fun. I would love to be one of the people like that. I would love to be one of the people. I would be hard, I think. There's another travel company I wanted to start where we call just wing it, and you just pay me a bunch of money, and we both drop ourselves into something, and I just help navigate this. I feel like you're the same person I would do that with. There's not a lot of people. I'm like, maybe not now because I've got the kids and things, but I used to be a varying pulse of person. Like when we were younger, like, same, I'd be like 17, 18, and then we would be sitting on a Saturday. I mean, I mean, the girls would be like, what would do tonight? Do I drive to Blackpill? And we would just do things right now just for the fun of it. Quiet and Blackpill, and then drive back home again. My mum used to go mental. It's like, I didn't know where you were and I've been in a different country. I think it's your life. It's very safe to move. Come on. So I feel like obviously my life is a wee bit more, I've got more responsibility. I can't do that, yeah. But I feel like, yeah, definitely, yeah, we're just, we're dumping up for that. Yeah. You're not getting the same responsibility. You can go. I don't know. I see as much as it's not necessarily kids, like obviously my mum and my dogs, I would never leave them alone. I know. It is hard, yeah. It's very difficult and you're very lucky if you're in a position that you can do that. I do have my cat Charlie Bundles. Charlie Bundles. I rescued him. So I was like, oh, I'm going to go to India for a month. I'll be like, but I'll miss him so much. I know. I think as well, not in the respectful way. Cats are more easy to look after. You could always get so many just nip in and feed a cat where it's like the dogs they need like, you're not in my eyes anyway. I can't like, see if it's raining. I'll be like watching for it to sort of rain and so I can take them out so that I can see if they've only had one walk to do. I can't relax. I'm just, that's just how I'm so I couldn't go. Even going away for like a week, I'm like, well, I love dogs and cats equally. So you rescued your cat then, yeah? Yeah. I went down to, it was like during, well, the restrictions were lifting and I call it kitty tinder. What? And I was like swiping on the RSBC. I was like, that's my cat. And I was like, I'm just going to go get him. And then he just put his little paws in and really that off we went. Wait, it's just, I mean, you go. Four, he's going to be nine in November. And do you know his backstory? Like, why he was handed in or was he? I think what they told me is that someone kept reporting this cat and then he was chipped, but people just abandoned him. So he was walking around out in the middle of nowhere. And people kept saying there's a there's a black and white tuxedo cat. And um, but it was so funny because the woman from the RSPCA, I thought it was a new client. It's like, I'm calling about Charlie. That was like, hi, oh, I'm sorry to be like, are you recommended? And she's like, I'm talking about the Charlie cuts. Oh, I go. I was like, oh, yes, cat. Yes. Okay. I'll be there. there. So tell us about the Klegotheka. So, um, gosh, that I love this story though, in a way too, because, um, so we have, I, we were here, Cohn and I've seen it. I never approached the stand, it was crazy busy. Lisa, um, obviously can't be here with us today. She has experienced, I think she has used it on a demo. Sure. Um, but apart from that, we don't really know much more about it. So, so how were you introduced to it? Um, so I got a notification in my inbox on Instagram. Obviously, I was minding my own business for a very long time and I was like, what is this shit? They're trying to sell me in this industry. You do get, but leave that with me. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, German made, you know, Kai Wilson was the ambassador at that point. I was like, fuck it. I've, you know, like, I'm on my own and maybe this will be inspiring. And then if you want to hold it out, I was trying to ask for it. Oh, wow. Okay. So a lot of people, and this one's for extensions. So I can put the blade in with you too. So I don't know if you can see. I mean, it doesn't look like anything that you would imagine you were going to use on here. I'm going to move that away from the aim on the background there so you can really see it. But, so there's an original story with that, that sadly for me personally is going to miss now what their new marketing direction. Um, so I, I'm carrying it on in my own way. Okay. That's all right. I love it. I love it so much. But it says a lot if you're not really 100% sure about what direction they're going in. Yeah. So I just, yes, did my, you know, I've, I've put my feedback and what I'm seeing. I, I'd love to find a team where I can work like, um, in a winter and Grace Coddington where you can say it how it is and still work together. You know what I mean? So, yeah. So do you feel comfortable talking about the direction they're going or do you want to kind of keep that a bit more. To be honest, um, I just feel like that there's that really beautiful personal story from when I first met Frank and he, I mean, that man has spent decades perfecting that and they're still developing other, other things with it. Um, but he was inspired by freshly cut flowers and how they maintained on the angle and it cuts more, um, surface diameter with each individual hair. So that is my honor and tribute to it. And, um, my clients, like, has, they're transformed with it. Like 80% of my clients now get it. It cuts the hair so beautifully, but I've been so passionate. Like I was getting buses down. Anything I could do the last three years, you know, I became an educator for them. As much as I could to learn that and hone that in on my craft. So, so you can do a fill haircut with every haircut. Every haircut. Every haircut. So how, I mean, I don't use a razor nearly as much as what I know that I probably should at all. And I know this isn't a razor. It's completely different too, but it's the closest thing for me that I can identify. So tell me what the difference is for people, you know, obviously, that maybe are used to even using razors for cut and as well. Yes. Most of the time, you know, I know that I'll, I don't have too many questions. I know. That's fine. I don't have to even cut the length. Like I just, that blue, I mean, so you do have to devote a bit of time to learning the basics. Um, I feel like everyone ends up taking their own style with it. But as long as you learn the basics, more in-house education should be done with it. But they do have an online thing or, excuse me, online platform to do education with you. So the blades are internationally patented. It's been in every country. So what puts this apart too is that you can see the angle that it is. If you look at it, yeah, it almost looks like a, yeah, it's like a fold in it. So if you're looking at that angle there, that's on a 21 degree angle. So that's insured to safety. Okay. So that's the same thing for like shaving razors. Yeah. Okay. So that's been patented into this tool. Right. And then that means that you're not going to break or fray the hair. There is a, you can always misuse the tool. So there's reason for that being that. Yeah. And then the blade has four. He can't just use any blade has four numbers on it. So one blade gives you four haircuts. And then I'll split that on my knee. And then you open it. This might sound like a really silly question, but does it matter how long the haircut is not fray, just when you finish that hair cut, that's it. You just, you just put it away and then that would count as one one. So one razor blade gives you four haircuts. Yes. So you can see that there's a number on each one of them. So I'm assuming that you'll obviously use side one for your first one. Yes. Flip it over. How many people can like ensure a safe blade on their scissors each time? Yeah. How many times people misuse razors that they don't reel. They don't upgrade or change the blade out. So sometimes if the hair is coarse, there's different techniques with curly hair. There's different techniques with. Yeah, finding that's why you need to have some at least some education. They take you through the black star, silver star, and gold star. Can we also say that this isn't like a paid review? This is just something that you really believe in. I'm so passionate about like 80%. I'm, I think I'm the only one in Glasgow now that uses it like regularly and I advertise for it. Am I right? I don't know how to address it. It comes to me. Where does it light? So the blade goes inside that right? Okay. Yes. So that one. So at first I was thinking, where's the blade that really happens? So you're holding your attention. You can see that now that Caroline's put that in. So you've got your blade here and the blade here. So you would only be using one side. So that there's the heel and the toe that it's been called before. So in this area here, like you could get right into someone's neckline. To like gently skim it. It's designed with the weight. This is another reason I fell in love with it and bought it before the seminar was over. It's going to prolong my hairdressing career. Because the weight of this simultaneously with the sharpness of the blade, that's releasing tension off my wrist. So even if you're doing like if you're pulling up 90, you're tapping. But it's something else. You'll be able to use it in my course. Have a shot at it too. Compared to I know if you're using scissors at an angle in your wrist as you see. You do these things when you're younger. But as you are for graces, then this is what you've been so common for hairdressers to get problems with that with the hands or fingers adjoined. That's what's on on things. Yeah. But what I also just on a side note with the scissors thing, when I came to the UK, I saw so many hairdressers contorting themselves, like photo to like all the positions. And I'm going just go back the way. Like there's so many things that we can adjust. And that's also great about the course too. It's like I can help people with their hand position, body position. Yeah. They're going to try this something completely new and different. I was finding when I'm cutting my left side of my client, it's harder than the right side. Again, it's just because of that angle of trying to think, well, if I turn them that way and then cut that way, would it be the same? But it's that that squeeze part. But then if you're bending that part of your wrist, you are going to get a carpal tunnel. How does it make your dresses? Yeah. And Palm Mitchell, everyone would make fun of even I've lived here. Well, for starters, he had to be like, palm to palm. So what does that mean palm to palm? So every time you're with your scissors, your palms should always be facing itself. Oh, yeah. So that kind of for every, every angle makes sense. Even when you're elevating your layer and you're going down the way. Oh, right. Okay. So not even above the hand in there. Oh, I'll make sure of that. I mean, you can, but you just got to make sure this isn't bent. Yeah. I suppose it encourages you. What makes the difference between a pair of straight or offset? As well, doesn't it? Like how you affect your wrist? I think mine's not offset though. Yeah. Obviously, you've got your own branding. It comes in these tote bags, which are fab as well. Yes. A woman's place isn't the industry. So tell us about that quote. What made you choose that quote? Where did that come from? Because the, I mean, I mean, it really does speak for itself. Exactly. Yeah. I want women to have a stronger voice and a platform. So with limits without limitations, as much as I get it started, I want to be able to fund hair shows and things for women. Women that can come in and out say they're like a single parent hairdresser mom and they can't, they want to do something creative. I'll be able to fund that and just sit money aside for those things and just making sure because I just feel like a lot of women, no matter what age they are, and they support the industry so much, they deserve a standing ovation. Yeah. I actually think there's the year someone who wants to give something for nothing in return, and that's so kind. There's not many people would do that. We still want a bit of the dollar, don't we? But you seem - How do you want to help people without any. - Yeah, I think when you're hearts are in the next place and they can only come for that. - I think too, it's just like that fact that anytime I've been in the male dominant area, like you can see, it's like, or even that when I was at top hair in Germany, and it was just a bunch of like man-a-spear podcast booths with men talking about this at the next thing, or there was a leading man for every hair color company, getting a standing ovation, and then, oh, let's just call the ladies out from the back of there. You know, like, they were the backbone of all of that, but you had your moment by yourself. - Yeah, yeah. - So I want like, I mean, I have 13 people in my, they're not all women. But. - I think as long as they fold with the same belief, yeah, you have the same focus at that point, and it doesn't matter if you're male or female, really. - Exactly, at that point. - We're to the LGBTQ area, yeah. - Well, going on, what you were saying there about women's support women, so we were kindly giving some gowns. - Oh, wow. - So a woman who'd reached out to she own custom values, and it does like custom gowns and aprons and things like that. So she reached out to me, she says, "Would you like a gown?" And I was like, "Yeah, those guys are so much to choose from back who didn't really pick." So I brought a couple and just now, and I just wanted to show the one that she made for me, just a couple of other ones, because they're very, very reasonably priced, and she's just such a. - And I think it's quite nice, 'cause you can pick whatever color you want, she's got like a rainbow array of colors. - Yeah, and she can have like one next, you can have the hook next, she can have sleeves, no sleeves, everything. So she got my Instagram handle. - Mm-hmm, love it. - Yeah, that is. - She got my Instagram handle, but see the logo, I just quickly designed that, and she's got, I can put that on, if you know what I mean, that's really really smart. I absolutely love that, so again, that'll very, very reasonably price the material. - And I think it's important to know as well it's not like a transfer, is that so? - Oh, yeah, it's like stitched on it. - The bright, it's embroidered on, it's not like, you know, just been ironed on. - Ironed. - So here is your beauty. - Oh, cool, it's like a kimono. - Yeah, so yeah, the kimono ones, it's like a house coat, which is really nice. - I love that. - I love this color. You know, we definitely wouldn't have Lisa working with that color underneath it. - No, no, that wouldn't be that color for much longer. But yeah, there's the button, they're really comfortable around the neck as well, my clients have says, they don't go too tight. - Yeah, so that should be good. - Look at this nice. - And they're nice, I mean, they're good, you can do good. - Good quality, they're not too fine. They're definitely better than the one you get in the blue moon. - The kimono, don't worry. - I could see you with the kimono. Your death, a kimono girl. - No, no, no, no, it's good if you're a kimono girl. - So thank you so much, custom Bella. And thank you for sending them over. One time, she is on Instagram as well. If anyone wants to customize their own gowns or their aprons. - Yeah, that good. Well, I think Caroline, thank you so much for coming on. - Oh, thank you. - And I feel like, you know, there's so much information, obviously for people, if we can put any links forward for any, like, you know, we'll put details about the course in Edinburgh. - Right. - And then if you've got any more forthcoming, you know, if you want us to share anything, then obviously we'd love that. - I would love that. - Thank you for your help. - Yeah, we'll support and do what we can. - The website is coming, it's just gonna be a little bit, 'cause I'm self-funding this right now, so. - No, I think everything's bookable on Event Bright at the moment. There's, I don't know when this is going to air, but we've got one at Mash Creative Studios, Edinburgh, and one in Lincoln's chair. - Okay, so if you mess that one in, there is other ones coming in. - And then there's gonna be ones in Berlin, Dublin. This is gonna be a, - Is it, is it a wee opportunity for a city break? - Yeah. - Yeah. - And again, the whole kit's there, so you don't even have to check your bags. - Wow. - So you just turn all over and show up. - You've got your hair dryers, you've got everything, 'cause that's what, you know, you know, you don't wanna check your bags. - No, no. - That sounds really clever. - Thank you. - It's really clever. - It's full of way more ideas, but I'm gonna keep them to myself right now. - Great, eight. - And I'm gonna be chiquit and say, I want the pack of the cars for free. (laughing) - Comes in my course. - Okay, okay, now come in the course. - And that's the thing too, those are the prototypes, and then there's gonna be an interactive website coming as well. So once you purchase that, then we're gonna do monthly drop-ins, and I'll tie it all together. - And I can generally say, even just from reading those three cards that you gave me, I was like, I'm still thinking about what I would do. - No, I know. - I'll do it, I'll do it. I'll put it in. - I'm sorry what you did, we could post it. - Okay, I'll do it. I'll do it. - Well, thank you so much for coming out. - Thank you, thank you. - Really loved it. - Thank you for watching less than liking, subscribing, and we will see you again soon. Bye. - Bye everyone. (upbeat music) ♪ And hustle ♪