S01E21 - Neah Bay

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Bob statement to the FBI is one of the more revealing statements because it gives a glimpse into the life of a serial killer that is believed to have killed four people in Washington state during the time that they were working together. Bob works side by side with Keys. He spent his evenings and weekends with Keys. He knew his daily habits and what he did for fun. You'll find out pretty quick that Bob's son joins a conversation as well. His name is Porig. You will also hear that the people that were close to Keys call him is or is he? So you'll hear him referenced by that nickname throughout the episode and in future episodes. As we bring Bob back into the conversation when we get to Lake O'set, Lake Crescent, and more. I'll let Bob take it from here. Yeah, that's how we met how we met. We were we're both hired the same day by via boss who was also another one of our best friends. Is that okay? Have you followed the case at all or have you kind of just stepped away from it ever since everything happened? I never really paid too much attention to it. You know, the feds like showed up and talked to me and after they talked to me, I was like, okay. You know, it's like the two of us used to literally sit there on a shitty piss down rainy days sitting off this like going over scenarios of how we hide a body. Oh, seriously? Did he tell you anything that you think is is of note or interesting? No, no, because like I said, I talked to the feds and I said that was completely out of any character of anything that we ever talked about. So it's like I think he was completely faking it with me when we were actually going through those scenarios. I haven't actually crawled out on to get to a road or a person. What was that? Is there somebody else in the background sounds like maybe? Yeah, yeah, that's my youngest son. He's 27 now, but he would have been, I don't know, 8, 9, 10. I think when, but I'm pretty sure that like the games we used to play, he was literally just throwing, throwing everything to make it. Because you know, it's like when he got busted, it's like when he got busted, I told the feds that he wanted to get busted because that was the first thing we said was you can't leave an electronic frickin trail. It's like the man's confused me for a long time because it's like I never I never feared him. I fucking passed out on his couch several finds with with waterway stock martens or fucking solar bears and he would he would literally take my boots off and fucking put a cover over me. Wow. So I was like, I never feared the man. You know, it's like the the weird differences like my brain still has a hard time processing sometimes. There's a note in the file that says that he went and picked up ATVs for for the tribe at some point in like 2006. Is that something that he would have been would have been sent to go do or is that something that they would go and purchase or is that seem weird to you. 22 years ago Bob interviewed him was hired by the macaw tribe in the abay of Washington to work for the wastewater treatment plant. Little did he know that same day his friendship with the serial killer Israel keys would also begin for the next five years he spent his days working alongside keys while also spending his free time fishing barbecuing and hanging out with Israel. In this episode we asked Bob about the details from a statement that he gave to the FBI while also finding out the real story about Israel's day to day life and job duties on the Olympic Peninsula. I'm Joshua welcome to somewhere in the pines episode 21 near bay. [Music] Contracted for even in the abay were maintenance or I worked for the tribe yeah well officially I was parts in recreation but I did a lot of different things there for them. [Music] Nia Bay Washington. Nia Bay is a small village tucked into the macaw reservation at the start of the Strait of Wanda Fuka Highway also known as State Road 112. It's the most northwestern point of the contiguous United States. It cannot be understated just how remote this part of the country is and with a population that peaks just over 1000 residents it sounds small but the wilderness natural beauty is abundant. The reservations western borders exposed to the wild beaches of the Pacific Ocean. Hobuck and Shai Shai Beach provide a great opportunity to witness gray whale migrations sea lions otters and other marine life. The Treaty of Nia Bay secures the macaw tribes right to whaling which is a crucial part of their rich past identity and provisions. As you travel north along the coast the beaches disappear as menacing rocky cliffs climb to form Cape Flattery. With an average of around 100 inches of rainfall annually and is distance from surrounding communities it's easy to imagine Nia Bay as the real life setting of a Dean Coons novel. There's much to experience clearly the wildlife natural wonders and scenic viewpoints but also the constant colorful flow of fishing boats covered in ropes and nets and buoys leaving and entering the marina. The peaceful hike to view Cape Flattery lighthouse and events like the annual macaw days celebrating thousands of years of heritage. It's much more than just a place where Israel keys once lived and worked. It's a community. Yeah, that. You'd be amazed with what the macaw tribe will pick up as government auctions. And yeah, as the parks and wreck. So that doesn't seem out of the ordinary at all. No, not at all. It sounds like he had to go to like rich, well said rich field Oregon in the email, but there is no rich field Oregon. So we're just assuming it was a typo and it was rich field Washington. That doesn't seem weird for him to go that far to pick something up like that. No, okay, cool because because these things are usually usually at either military bases or old GSA compounds that are being defunct. He had said that he sold a hunting rifle to a coworker and it sounds like your department was pretty small and a few people work in there like you. Maybe a guy named said another guy that was working there. Yeah, he looked like the second year that we were there, but yeah. Do you happen to remember him bringing in a hunting rifle to sell to anybody or any co-workers that he would have purchased a gun off of him. No, I mean, yeah, I don't know who might have bought a rifle from him. Yeah, it's an Indian reservation. We don't keep track of stuff like that. We'll trade fish for rifles and hand guns. It says in the file that there was maybe you had seen 1022 and a 32 caliber Saturday night special I think is what he called it. Does that sound familiar? Yeah. Was that just like at his house that he showed you that stuff or was that you guys go out like shooting and like a shooting range or anything like that? Well, yeah, I mean, dad, the 32 charter arms. Charter arms, I'm not sure what that is. That's a manufacturer, I think. Oh, okay. And that's just a 32 five shot or six shot, I think it was revolver, snow knows. Do you know why he called it a Saturday night special? Yeah, because yeah, because they only cost about $50. Damn, so pretty cheap gun. So you don't ever remember him having a double barrel shotgun, right? Okay. Do you know if he was a member of the VFW and squim? That sounded like something he would be a part of? Was he kind of like more of a loner? Did you guys actually go out to bars and stuff like that or regular spots? Uh, generally we we put in a barbecue or have a stickfish. That's just over your place or his place or something? Yeah, his place plays our place. Okay, so you guys all just hung out together all the time and sounds like mostly. Are you still friends with? Yeah, cool. I grew up in Nia Bay and so I know the entire area. I'm a mocha. It's my it's my goddamn land. What was it like if you don't mind me asking whenever? I guess everybody found out where people. Uh, I mean, I'm sure surprised, but like as a community, is that something that. Kind of got spread around the community and was kind of a big deal or was it pretty, pretty hush hush? Uh, nobody seems to really want to talk about it. Did you say that you had seen him on maybe the Kingston ferry Kingston Evans ferry one time like randomly? Yeah, yeah. It's like I was just like coming up the coming up the stairs and you walk right past me and he was going at you know the way that. The ferry boats are that you walk into the men's room right at the top of the stairs. Yeah. And he was walking right into the head. And as I was coming up the stairs, I was like, hold on. That's it. I just like turned into the and walk right up. He was already in Alaska at that point, right? Yeah, yeah, the three gave me was he just came down to spend the weekend with his daughter. Oh, so she stayed in in the bay for a time because I know she eventually went to Alaska. Yeah, yeah, because yeah, that was another thing. I mean, he got he got all of us to write. Write these letters of endorsement of why he was a better, better parent from then her mother. Yeah, but, but he still lost the legal battle because because of tribal politics and stuff. Yeah. But, but eventually he didn't win and went to live with the last kind of. Yeah, it seems rare for for the guy to get custody of of the child. I thought it was really surprising and says a lot about, you know, what was going on. I guess. Yeah. Are you close with two? Yeah, I've known since we were all shit since primary school. Oh, long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was just a great person when it came to take care of. Yeah, and that, and that, that is the, because he was the most amazing fucking and caring father in the world. It's like all, all he cared about was that little girl. And that's just so hard to like reconcile that that's crazy. Right. Must have been a pretty difficult time for everybody then sounds like. Yeah, probably. Did he seem to handle stressful situations like that pretty calmly or did you ever notice him kind of. It really affecting him. Uh, he, a lot of time. Well, I wouldn't say that he handled it calmly. He just get quiet and like start chain smoking and downing bourbon. I think this might also be, and is, is it your ex-wife? Is that your ex-wife or is that okay? Okay. He said that like, I think I wanted to statements that during barbecues, he would sometimes just go off, just kind of separate himself for a little bit and then come back to the barbecue. Is that how you remember it too? Oh, yeah. Uh, because I was, I was about the only one that would just sit there and listen to wrong sign all the time. So it's like the, the music list would get changed and he would just go and still listen to his death metal. So he was in the metal? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, death metal was. Um, wrong sign and. Sweetie's death metal was basically his thing. Did, did he listen to Rage Against the Machine by any chance? Oh, yeah. When the FBI came and talked to you, was that the first time you had heard of everything? Oh, yeah. I, I don't really pay attention to this. That must have been a pretty surprising, was it a phone call or did you guys actually come meet you in person? Uh, they, uh, they tracked me down at work and then asked me if they could meet me at the waterfront coffee house and Edmunds. And I'm like, yeah, okay. So I walked in there and I didn't know why I was meeting with the feds. I was like, what the hell did the feds want to talk to me about? So you had no clue and it was just, that must have been, uh, we were kind of in shot. A couple of, I guess whenever they told you, like, what was your first reaction to it? I was like, okay. Well, the, see, the first thing, the, the, the first thing they showed me was him being arrested. And when I saw him being arrested, I was like, well, he wanted to be caught. Because we talked about this. There's no reason that he would be using somebody's goddamn debit cards. We know this is the way you get caught. And they're like, what do you mean we talk about this stuff? Did you talk about like bank robberies and stuff then and like arson's or anything? Well, no, not arson. I don't do weird shit. But yeah, it's like, I'll absolutely like talk about a bank. Like, imagine a bank heist or something like that. I mean, arson is just weird. I mean, you get like real mom issues if you're talking about burning stuff. Uh, I've just always wondered if he's like talked about like places and other states or something and just like mentioning stories. And he was just not, obviously not showing his hand, but just, you know, saying he saw something interesting or, or uh, mentioned like a fire or a bank robbery out of the blue. Or missing person or the blue, um, that you remember. Now, uh, you, uh, I think in your, your statement, you mentioned that he went ziplining and believes. Is that sound familiar? Yeah, yeah. Uh, that's what, um, he did as, uh, uh, for honeymoon. Oh, okay. So that's probably why it came up. It wasn't just some random thing that he brought up out of nowhere. It was a big part of the vacation or the trip. Yeah. Okay. Let's see. Were there, are there any other co-workers that you can think of, uh, aside from you and then and possibly. Um, that, that we're working there that he was kind of interact with. Uh, um, I mean, I can't even remember all my, all my, uh, no, my OITs that I went through well. And working there a long time ago. Yeah, but, um, yeah, I can't think of any. Like I said, I went through a bunch of OITs as well. I was there, but they were only like around for, you know, six months to a year or so. And I thought that he was trying to get a job, a job, uh, with the tribe and then he wasn't actually living in NIA Bay until he got the job. Do you know where he might have been living before he, I guess you probably wouldn't know because you, you met him the first and the job. Um, but did you ever mention where he was before he moved to NIA Bay? Yeah, well, he, he, uh, moved back and I can't know where he got her job, but they both got jobs with the tribe about the same time. And that was like probably, uh, 2001, I think whenever you guys started 2002. 2002, okay. Did he ever mention going to like Lake Quenalt or the whole river or hot springs or anything like that or Dungeon S campground? I, let's see, I only went to Dungeon S. Um. And, and they, and they did grow up to the, the winter hot springs one time. Is, is this him or him and him? Okay. Uh, did, did, um, do you have any more information about the Dungeon S camping trip? Is that something he went to often? I just remember, uh, him talking about going out there. Do you know roughly about what year that would have been? Um, probably. 2005. This is the first time that anyone has confirmed that keys went to either one of these places, which has obvious implications toward the Olympic hot springs cash that we covered in the Olympic hot springs episode and Mike Mason's case. Good news is that he mentioned who keys went with to both locations. So hopefully Special Agent Hala and the FBI can investigate this further. Uh, any, any other camping spots that you know that he'd like to go to or any, uh, like camping locations? No. Okay. Uh, yeah. Cause I, I, I know that, uh, a lot of times he, he take off with. And just we. And I don't know where he went after that. I, you know, I think a lot of people are just freaked out about it. Yeah, I, I don't mind talking about it because like, like he said, it's like my fascination is kind of went on. But at the same time, it's like I literally was right there. You know, I'm kind of like an angel detector. Oh, there was, um, it sounds like you may have been there whenever he branded himself a couple times or made me at least once. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he used to try to freak people out. I imagine that worked. Yeah, you know, you know, Joe, let's tell this. No. Uh, uh, Mr. Let's know. Now doesn't sound familiar. Anyway, he likes to look fucking shit with piercings on his body, including his car. Oh shit. Okay, he used to be my roommate. So, you know. So you guys were in into interesting stuff or different things. It's never been my thing. But it's like, I watch people brand themselves and go, okay, for you. Do you know when, when that likely happened? What year maybe or, uh, yeah, I can't, it's like, I honestly can't remember the first time he fucking. Yeah, it's like the first time he branded himself. And it is like, it is like the people that were freaking out, I was going, alright. So nobody was really freaked out, and it was just kind of, this is what we're doing tonight. Yeah, okay. Did you only do it just the one night or was it something that happened more than once, do you think? I don't know that he did it more than once in public, but he continued to brand himself. Because he, I know he did some in the army. You probably don't remember which, which ones were done when, by any chance? Oh, can you hear me? Yeah. Okay, sorry. You don't happen to know, like which brands he did in the army and which ones he did when he got out of the army? I'm not really sure. He was upbringing and kind of like in Colville and stuff. And, and you know, it sounds like his family was more like Amish is, but it's no, no, no, no. They were, first of all, they were white, severed as Mormons, so a special sect of Mormonism. Uh, they left that because they were, they felt they were too liberal and joined white, severed as communists. Where, where is that? Is that in Washington? Yeah, yeah. We are withholding this information due to a lead that we are actively pursuing. We have another person that Hayden, our private investigator, is helping us make contact with. And we also spoke to two other people that are giving us more clarity on Israel's religious background. One is Kelsey Vandermeid. She has recently become well known due to a small series of videos she posted on TikTok, along with some images of a young Israel keys that were taken when her family spent months with him in Washington. The other is Dr. Ariana Pady, a system professor of religious studies at the University of Prince Edward Island. She contacted me after we released the episode on Satanism at the start of the season. We released that episode in hopes of finding someone with the appropriate background in religious studies that also has an understanding of the case. She's been helping us behind the scenes to construct a more accurate map of Israel's religious background and how this could have influenced Israel's decision making process when it comes to caching and more. We will be releasing this interview with Kelsey and some of Ariana's findings next season. And that's what they were doing for a full moonhead. And then he came home one night and his dad told him that they were moving to make sure to join an Amish Commute. And so he got up in the morning and said, "Okay, well, I'm going to tell my boss that I'm quitting." And he went and fucking and listed in the army. Oh, no shit. Basically ran away from all the 20 years old. I'm assuming that was probably a pretty big deal for him to leave and go to the end of the army, especially the army of all things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was he close with his father? Do you know? Do you know? Oh, no, no, no. It is his father. Wow, because I know like he died. It sounds like something that was probably curable. And I didn't know if that was something that maybe affected keys or Israel negatively or if that was something that was. No, it's like when his old man died, the morning after his old man died, he told me. And he basically said the stupid twack just went to the hospital. Was he close with his mom then or did he have the same dislike for his mom? Like I said, he never really said anything bad about his mom, but he did not. The fact that his dad drugged them through all that, all the shit, you know. The different religious orders and everything else he, you know, and by the time he was in the army, obviously was completely atheist and just thought it was ridiculous. That you put us through this much trauma. Oh, did he ever mention mop in at all? Because I know he lived there for about a year maybe working on a house. Where? A mop in Oregon. It's kind of like the Dishoots River. No. No? Yeah, I think he lived there before he went to New York. Okay. Well, if that was before New York, then that would have been one of the communes. However, they've lined up, but most of them were white separatists. And his mom said it was only like three to four years in time that they would keep with anyone religion. Oh, it was quick, quick changes. I noticed they stayed with the homage after his old man died. Do you know if he went to like his funeral or anything? Nope. Are you, are you, so were you close with Ang then? Or did you do not really hang out with after? Well, no, because we'll move to Alaska before he did. So, uh, so yeah, it's like he, he was here for like a year and a half after he was stationed because she, she was a public health service nurse practitioner. And she was stationed in Alaska and left her, hugs with his, even though he hated dogs. That's, that's work. See, I think he got, whenever he was arrested, he had a photo of the dogs in his wallet. So I just always assumed that they were his dogs and that he was actually a dog person, but no, huh? No, no, first of all, he loved those fucking dogs. He insisted, he insisted that he hated dogs, but he loved those dogs. Did he ever mention the book intensity or any like movies or books that he were like, maybe not influential, but like books that he really liked? No book, and I think it's because he grew up with books, but he loved movies and full metal jacket was his favorite movie. I don't think I've ever seen that one. That's an army movie, right? Jesus Christ, if you haven't seen it, you need to go watch that. I'll watch it tonight. Yeah, that's awesome. Was he, did he ever talk about being attracted to guys at all? No, no, he was into all kinds of weird shit with women. Did he, I know he seemed to be into like more like bondage stuff. Do you ever talk about any kind of like weird bondage stuff with the guys at all? No, the, all that we all the way I forgot about in, you know, I was like, I knew what he was talking about. He was really into into German corn. German point. Don't know anything about that either. He likes to shit on things. Oh, weird. That is, that's fucked up. Yeah. Wow. Is that something that he's violence? What was that? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And also, yeah. Shitting violence. There's a whole bunch of violence in German point as well. Did he ever talk, like, did he talk about liking, shitty non-people or shitty non-shitting during sex? Or is that something that? No, no, he just let me know that he liked German corn. Okay. And we always made fun of him because you, you would literally like push people out of the way to go down a fucking manhole. Oh, really? Yeah. He like getting dirty. Yeah, he like getting into the shit. When the parts department first started, they had no idea where to put it. And they put the parts department in the, because we had an extra desk, they put the parts department in the wastewater plant. So, if, and it became like a dual purpose, if his needed help in parks, and I didn't have anything going on in wastewater, I'd help him out. If I had an emergency in wastewater, is would come and help us out. But like I said, yeah, he would literally push people out of a fucking way to go down a goddamn manhole. Do you think that was him trying to act like a badass and that he'll do anything? Or was that just something he just, he just liked to get dirty and that's it? I mean, we literally joked about how he just wanted to get shit on. So there, when he was living in Mopin, Oregon, the shoots river there, he admitted that he sexually assaulted a girl and that he was going to kill her and put her in the pit toilet. And to, to hide her, does that sound, I mean, that kind of sounds like great line with what you guys are talking about a fascination with. Pitate. Yeah. Well, you, you, you've gotten a lot more into it than I ever got into it. I mean, I just like, I would laugh at the way him and would fight over who was going to get shitty. That's crazy, man. I try to avoid shit as much as possible at work. It's my job and I try to avoid it as much as possible. Yeah, exactly. Did he wear like gloves and stuff whenever he would get in there whenever he would get down like a manhole and stuff where he'd like suit up or we just go in no gloves. No, no, he'd suit up. He'd be properly suited up, but I mean, you still get shit on very familiar with the working around shit and it is not enjoyable. Or anybody would want to get in there and get dirty. That's like a very surprising thing to hear. Wow. All right. Cool. So any other places like around me, or yeah, I guess any other place you can think of that he tried to or did talk about that he liked or like favorite places. Because he went like wine tasting and stuff too. It sounds like it was like a big like foodie guy or something like a big like wine guy or. The one that got him into wine tasting. And they kind of got us into wine tasting too. But I mean, they they went on a whole nother level to where they literally fly off to taste wine and shit. It sounds like she would go away for like long periods of time and he was just just on his own. Yeah, yeah, she she she worked in Port Angeles and would only come out on on her days off. And usually when she come out on her days off and we have barbecue use and stuff. But but yeah, she she never actually like moved out to the rest. So he he wouldn't go and stay with her. She'd come out and stay with them. Well, you know, I guess it was like. Well, I guess it was like me and my mess is used to be where he. He'd go to Port Angeles one weekend. She'd go to near Bay one weekend. Gotcha. Oh, and I guess he so he probably worked for Parks and Rec all the way up until the time that he moved out to to Alaska. Yeah, yeah, and you guys just worked normal like nine to eight eight to 430 nine to five type schedule. Yeah, okay. Mostly. Yeah, so it sounds like he cut out a lot and light about his times quite a bit from what we've had. Well, now we we had a lot of fucking times that we'd be called out. So the way we actually recorded our time. There wasn't really a radius about the way record your time. Oh, so he so you guys would get you guys would be on call like certain days of the week or was it all the time? All the time it is. Yeah, all the time, if there was any type of sewer blockage or anything, both Izzy and I would be out there fucking getting the lines shit. Oh, shit. So what if you got if you so if you guys were like barbecuing and then a call came in, you'd have to go out there even during that. You just have usually guys are just the people to call you. Oh, and then do you guys whenever I lived in Florida for a little bit and we had those those like click phones where you like it's almost like a walkie talkie and a phone at the same time. Is that what you guys had starting out? It was actually just a regular cell phones. And we started out we had fucking pages. Oh, really? Yeah. And how would you how would you call you just go like a pay phone or something? We had VHS radios in our in our trucks. So if we got a page, we just go and call from our truck on the radio. And so he had his own truck. So he could he could kind of be on his own like nobody was like watching over him all the time. Did he have to go back and forth to Port Angeles for work all the time to like home depot or is it you guys have like a local hardware that was closer? We had we had local hardware but also we could order from Angeles no work and stuff like that. Oh, so he wasn't like taking the company card and going to home depot and getting all his own stuff whenever he wanted to take it. And now we we we we usually just like call like I said, angels, no work. Our nation is our nation still there. But yeah, we we call them and they deliver any of the any of the equipment that we needed. He's a special fucking character because the the person that the person that I fucking especially his careful fucking just blows my mind because that's not what any fucking serial killer does. But then you look at all the fucking horrific shit you know, well, yeah, that's everything. And like I said, you know, you know, it's like I'm not going to say that he wasn't one of my best friends is like. I'm not I'm not joking about I'm fucking is goddamn angel to Dexter because it's like he was my best friend he fucking he taught my oldest son how to dress a fucking sheet. You know, well, well, my fucking ex wife was babysitting his fucking daughter. Is it weird to look back and think about this stuff like you. It is kind of weird, but I mean at the same time it's like just like, you know, these are the same people that these are the kind of you just like. I grew up with fucking uncles teaching me how to dress animals was different. Do you remember like any like drastic changes in his appearance like shaved mustache or like shaved his head and did he do like that all the time or did he like typically just have the same look all the time. Well, he when he changes appearance, he would just he would yeah it's like when he changes appearance, he would like shaved his head and his mustache and everything. And then he might grow it out a different way. So he was kind of always changing in a little bit and never even have like a consistent like I know some guys they have a go T for like 30 fucking years, you know, they never change it, but it sounds like he just was kind of would do different things. Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, you think so. Yeah, I mean, yeah, when you say that because it's like either look like a dirty bike or a fucking proper skin had so. I'm super curious about that fairy trip. Was that weird that he didn't like would he typically call you whenever he's coming into town with it? No, no, it's like after every left I never really heard from him again, though I saw him on a ferry. Oh, no shit. Like I said, I just I bumped into him on the fucking boat and. You know, it's like I just walked up by him and I went and I said, what up. And he fucking and he fucking spun around real quick. And he's like, oh shit. And he's like, I'll buy you a beer. And so I met him in the gallery and he said, they won't sell me two beers. So I had to buy my own beer. But then yeah, we just sat there and both didn't tell the fucking end that we got to fucking Edmonds and. And we fucked off in our different directions. Oh, so was he was he was he was he coming back from seeing from some seeing you going. Yeah, he was heading back to Alaska on the way to Lake O's that his truck was seen on Hoko is that road one time. And this is like super random. So I'm not expecting you to know anything about this, but you didn't happen to submit that tip, right? You know, seemed like he was always back there. And when he said, I had two miles off of any trail. You'll never get found. Yeah, yeah, that that that's the those that is the place to fucking lose something. Yeah. What was the quote there like two miles off off of the trail? And you'll never fucking be seen again. Thank you for listening to this episode of somewhere in the pines. The easiest way to support the show is by telling a friend. You can support the research by subscribing to our patreon at patreon.com/sumwareinthepines For episode photos, go to somewhereinthepines.com. Thank you to Music from the Pines featured artist Antbath of Port Angeles, Washington with their song yeast Lord. Antbath's music can be found on Apple Music, Spotify and YouTube. Make sure you check out Drew's Music from the Pines interview with Antbath on our Patreon. And as always, a very special thank you to our Patreon producers. 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