The conversation explores the deep-rooted housing crisis in New York City, driven by skyrocketing rents—up 90% in just six years—leaving many residents unable to afford basic living costs. A central theme is affordability, which has become a dominant political issue, particularly in local races where candidates like Curtis Lee and Zoran focus on rent control and housing development. However, the speaker argues that rent control alone is unsustainable, as it could push landlords to evict tenants and drive up prices in unregulated markets. The real solution, they suggest, lies in increasing supply through development, but this is blocked by rigid city regulations that make large-scale construction—especially converting commercial buildings—financially unviable. Despite these challenges, the discussion celebrates New York’s unique cultural value: its diversity, access to opportunity, and vibrant, interwoven communities that offer experiences unmatched elsewhere. The conversation also questions public trust in government, making policy shifts difficult. As a result, radical ideas—like floating housing on the East River—are proposed as imaginative, though unproven, alternatives. Ultimately, the core issue is not just economic but systemic: a lack of development, regulatory inertia, and deep-seated distrust of government all prevent meaningful change in housing affordability.
You upshall the main the guy after show y'all the brand new this podcast have a kind of walk on What's happening telling my man? How you week been man week's been good a lot changes the seven days what the fuck is happened bro We're communist now Oh, it's a run got you. You got us bro. You got us man. Okay. We're communist bro, you know, we believe in that We believe in all that communist stuff. Yeah, I'm praying five times a day. I don't know what a you know I'm praying five times today. I stopped the import. I'm doing all the communist shit that you supposed to do. Yeah Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that means. I'm trying to tell my wife. We're getting another wife I'm a communist now, bro I believe I believe it turns out communism not that bad is I so I like Zoran's messaging His messaging has always been affordability and he stays on message. He doesn't let anybody take him off message Bro watch the New York City debate isn't it the bait tonight which requires another one Yeah, I watched the debate last, uh, what was that last Thursday? Yeah, you know, I'm telling you Y'all sleeping on big Curtis though. Oh, I'm sleeping. So it says some of the other the other Curtis that got shot five times Curtis though, but I don't know. I don't have a dog in this fight. We voting for um What am I voting for that's a good question. I'll be honest. I'm in New Yorker. We don't vote in mayor elections Is does mostly people who like move here. Yeah, yeah, but if you're born and raised in New York Usually don't do that until you become like, you know, your father's age. Yeah, so when I'm like probably fit to your 60 I'll start voting, but um, I don't know I think a lot of people are making this election about about something. It's not like I see I See all this conversation about Oh, it's gonna be Muslim in the city or the city's gonna fall apart a city's this and it's like This election is not about socialism or anything like that It's like whatever candidate said that they were gonna lower the rent the most was gonna win Bro, that's it for me. That is the only so it's not like oh, they're embracing socialism if Curtis Lee was said that he's gonna pay for everybody's rent for a year He would win affordability It's a fool. It's talking to America's pockets, but it's specifically rent Anything not at all because New York is a little bit different. I was looking up statistics apparently in New York City Rent has gone up 90% in six years for two bedrooms. Oh, I believe that 90% I believe that this this shit right here would be 3500 dollars and oh easy. There's a little room Right there the bathrooms right there. It's like so so what I think a lot of people around the country don't realize, right? They're just seeing this and like oh, they're seeing free buses and free this nobody's stressing out the free buses like Yeah, it's probably nicer shit is free. The free child care is is key. Don't give you all but more than anything It trickles down from your visit biggest expense, which is rent half of New Yorkers monthly paychecks go to rent Did you know you know you know that he needed to give what's what's my man that you was saying the rent was too damn high remember that guy I brought this up black Santa black Santa because I would children can't afford to live anyway No where there's no way to go once again. Why? You said it a rent. It's too damn high. Yeah, that's what the rent was too damn high guy. I got through broke. Yes, he absolutely did New York eccentric A real New York eccentric, uh, but but yeah, the rent is too damn high guy was this like obscure political figure in New York that Actually got popularity because people were feeling that push already. Give me Macmillan. Is it yeah? He was run aflame of his party was the rent is too damn high sun, and it started at all. It was a party It's like I think the rest of the country doesn't realize this so it's like The rent is so astronomical in New York and his increase so fast that people just need a lifeline and And they're in this situation where it's like if someone doesn't help me out I got to move out of New York. Here's the thing. You're right, but the rent is too damn high everywhere and what I mean by that is and New York is astronomical, right? But rent prices have gone up in places like South Carolina too. So you might move to South Carolina and face significantly less Because you're in New York, but in South Carolina like god damn compared to what they mean In some assholes bulldoze and already condos and making crystals. No, we got Don't worry. I'm not gonna open a trailer park guys. Don't worry. I got I got you. I got you affordable housing. I got you. I'm very glad. Got you. I'm doing a trailer park. I already own a trailer So I think that's what it is like I don't think it's progressive this or I don't think it's conservative that It's like whatever candidate was gonna come and he did a remarkable job and getting his messaging out the But it's like affordability is the issue and I think they look at I think people are looking at I think people are looking at Cuomo and they're like Bro, you lost already You fucked up with the nursing homes You know what I mean and you were touching on people and you resigned because of it So that's kind of like almost a mission of guilt. Does any of that matter in the Trump era bro? No, this is what I'm saying is I think that people look at it like you just lost already like you're trying to subvert the democratic process and That's obviously something the Democrats have never done Like they would never do that. Well you were the idiot for trying to run into the Democrat anyway Well, well, here's the thing if he ran as an independent originally should have been I would have more respect for it But you ran as a Democrat and then lost and then you're like, okay What else can I do and you're backed by all these billionaires and who don't feel distressed for the rent increases? Yeah, that's interesting. It's like of course the people that don't want Mamdanian or the people that are unaffected by the cost of living I already interested in theory that somebody thinks Mamdania is a plant and the reason they think he's a plant is because they didn't run any like other Candidate against him. That's actually good like you had mayor Adams and you had Andrew Cuomo, right? Oh, I forgot about Brad. Oh shit. Get on the mic. Oh, yeah, I forgot about Brad But it was Brad, but Brad didn't seem like an Establishment candidate either though. It didn't seem like there was a lot of money behind Brad Like it didn't seem like there was a real push behind him. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he's just I don't think he had a campaign, bro I think I think I don't think that's but that's my point But so there's like he was a legitimate candidate. I mean he was the city controller. He's a long time city councilman I mean, you got to know social bro. You got to know social You got to know how to push the message and you got to have the message that matters whoever Try what's it going? I'm not he's doing exactly what Trump did. I yes, I said that. Yeah, freeze the rent is build the wall What did Trump say he said he said we're gonna build the wall and Mexicans are gonna pay for it Mom Donnie came in and he goes we're gonna freeze the rent and billionaires are gonna pay for it It's like you can see this amazing parallel in terms of their populism. Trump said I won the election of one word Groceries But Donnie's like I'm winning the election of one word of affordability. Well, it's rent bro. I think it's for the ability Yo, here's the thing. What is his plan? I don't actually know he never have that by the way when he gets that out of the debate He never has an answer for who oh my Donnie. Yes, he does. What are you talking? Well, it's a plan like you're talking about it No, repeat it. What is this plan? Well, he's gonna freeze rent and he's gonna build the How all right? So here's how you do it? The rent has gotten free. I'm a lane the path. How do we freeze that you're not giving me a plan? I'll tell you how I'll tell you I'll tell you how he's saying that He is going to an endeavor to do it. Okay, okay The mayor reports a point a points the like the board of people the rent control board So there are certain people that are already there. They might be open to his ideas They might not but within two years all their terms will have come up and he will have appointed all new ones So within two years he can freeze the rents on rent stable as a rent control apartments in New York that represents about 50% of the apartments in New York 55% Yeah, or 50% I think so the other 50% are just free market. Okay, did I already lose you? So you asked me a question on your phone. I'm got you man. I can multi-tasking. I'm really just looking up something So the other 50% of the apartments in New York are not are on the free market. Okay, okay, so he cannot touch those Okay, the way So what people would say and what I was telling him is like listen you could freeze the rent within two years on the rent control rent Stabilized apartments, but what that's gonna do is put more pressure on the free market rents because what happens is as we know You grow up in the city if you get a rent stabilize a rent control apartment. You don't leave that shit Yeah, you just do not leave it and if you're gonna freeze the rent there you double not gonna leave it Now they are city landlords to try to push people out to happen to find more Carlos growing up They just stop accepting your rent. They're doing anything they can to get the rent stabilized people out so that they can turn over the building That is the thing that does happen, but then I also have friends that had a rent stabilized apartment But they had a house up in Hudson Valley. They shouldn't rent the stabilized apartment or they pass it down like they find places Exactly that you're side-checking a rent stabilize, right? She can have free market pussy. Yeah, that's crazy That's crazy. Come on. That's do I yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why we have to do that. No So basically what happens is 50 so what you could say is by freezing this 50% it's gonna spike the rent on this 50% and then what he says is over the next 10 years He's gonna build 200,000 units now how is he gonna do the next 10 years? Yes, okay, so how is he gonna do that right he he plans on Doing some dough stuff in like in doses inception, which is like creating more efficiency models in the city Punishing landlords for having these vacant apartments and creating and raising taxes on the rich to create like What does that 30 billion of those 100 billion dollars? He says he's gonna write and then the other 70 billion He wants to sell municipal for a municipal bonds which are essentially bonds for the city now. He's thinking He can't sell those bonds without
asking Albany to increase the debt ceiling. And if he has a governor there that is not willing to do that because it might create a lower bond rating for the bonds of the state, then there's a chance that he won't be able to sell that many and get that money. So that's the restriction there. He will be able to freeze rents for those 50%, that could cause a spike over here. And if he doesn't loosen up the regulation for people to actually build stuff, which is the only thing that will solve rent problems, the only thing that will solve rent problems is if you let developers develop and unfortunately there are a bunch of regulation in the city right now that basically makes it financially not feasible to build anything over like 99 units. Where do you even build in New York City? Right. If you talk about converting commercial real estate, because to me, that's the, I think about like 15, 15 building, that's not going to be Texas Palace anymore, but it was going to be a hotel. Some place like that could probably work. This is the tricky day. 1515 is where we did MTV back in the day. It's like, so basically the tricky thing about converting office space or like commercial to real estate, to residential, is you can only convert the building if there's not a single existing tenant that's on a commercial lease. If there's one tenant in the all 50 story building that's on a 10 year lease, you can maybe pay them to leave, but you can't do it. You can find ways to try to pay them to get out, but if they got a nice deal and they have their office and their business profitable, why the fuck are they trying to move? That's very difficult. Another issue with the office space is that it wasn't built for residential. So there's not air, proper air, there's not proper access to lighting and windows. That's costly to kind of renovate. So there are issues with just flipping a building over. It's not as simple like these midtown office buildings are built different than just a random office building in fucking Albuquerque. So I ask you where are you going to build new housing in New York City? Well even if you want to build new housing, anything you build, you got to go through Albany. You have to get approval from this different board. So no matter what. That's actually what I was looking about. I was looking at all the reasons he couldn't do it. Yeah, you lurp. You lurp is like the, I thought you had, I wish I could. You slurped would have been great. You're thinking of only New York City like Manhattan, but there are the five burrows. There's a lot of land in Queens, Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is place for affordable housing. You got to want to live out there though. Yeah, people will. Yeah, people will. People will. So it's, you want to leave New York. But you can, that's not true. Say again, he said people don't want to leave New York, that's not true. So here's the thing, people, it's not, I don't think anybody wants to leave New York, it's the greatest city in the world. I also don't think we want billionaires to leave New York, like I was just telling the guys this is like what makes New York amazing is that you have billionaires to pay for all the expensive shit and poor artists to make everything cool. And when you have both of them together, you have the most magnificent city in the history of the world. And you need billionaires paying the most, the fair share tax. Oh, no, everybody's on board with that, but keep in mind, they'll never do it. That's just for you and I to pay you and I pay. Oh, God. Yeah, taxes. You know that right? Oh, anyway, so, but my point is, my point is like, if you just have billionaires, you got like San Jose or like the nerdy tech places, nobody wants to fucking live there because it's just all dorks. And if you have only like artists, you have Portland. Nobody wants to fucking live there, right? Well, I guess they have like Amazon and that kind of shit, but you have like this shitty like hipstory places that suck. When you got the rich motherfuckers willing to pay for the crazy shit and the cool broke artists that are willing to make things interesting and fun to go see, you've got this amazing amalgamation of people. And it increases the value of what the rich guys already have because why I don't understand that. Those rich guys, those rich guys, there's a, there's a part of me. It's like, you're not really seeing the value of more creatives. Yes. Like the fucking frog eating the exactly. And if you take one of those animals out of it, the whole thing falls apart. So it's like, but on the same point, if you take those billionaires out here, shit, it's going to fall apart. Sure. So we need to create an ecosystem. The problem is the cost of living because of fucking bullshit, I don't want to say bullshit, maybe well intense in legislation that ended up having negative results has completely stopped the construction of huge buildings in New York City. It's just stopped there. I don't think New York's worth the expense, bro. Right here. Yeah, but it's because I have a career here, but for people that just want to live here to live and pay $3,000, $4,000 in rent for a freaking 400 square foot apartment. And all of the money we spend in New York City, between toll, congestion price, all that shit. Where is the enhancement to the city? Like this shit should look like Dubai, bro, I've been saying this for a year. Why do the New York look like Dubai? Why do the New York, like I would, why don't New York like Chicago? Why do the New York look like Dallas? No, I think I think. Come on, man, those downtowns are beautiful, bro. I mean, New York is absolutely beautiful. We want a little. Okay, how about, why does the Manhattan look like Brooklyn? What? Brooklyn look way better than Manhattan looks. No, that's parts of it. I don't think you know. Yeah, you don't have that. What, bro? You literally-- That's my back. No, by the way, my back has gone down tremendously. Yeah, obviously. Over the years. Yeah, it looks crazy. I haven't been there in a while. I know, by the work down there, we used to work down there every morning. You didn't work. That's it with the slums. You were? I was getting jumped on there. You were. I jumped on it twice. I'll be honest with you. Something tried Becca. Those were tiny. You worked in Chinatown, bro. You didn't really work in Tribeca. Yeah. You worked Tribeca-- Tribeca is nice. Tribeca is nice. So-who's nice. It's-- Oh. It's nice. Fifty-fifth street is nice. He's village is nice. Shit, people move up to the Upper East Side. He's got a smell. And that's the West Village got a little smell. Yes, booty hole. Some people like that. You know what I mean? I don't-- but I'm just saying New York, there's a lot more to be desired for the money that's spin. Yes, but that's always the deal with New York. When you paying for rent in New York, you're paying for access to the city. You're not paying for just your little cuba. But what does you live in? Give you anymore. The greatest culture. That's my point. You don't really know. We still got outside of work. Oh, so you don't see it all the time. I hate you. Can I tell you? Can I talk like? Can I tell you? Can I tell you? Can I tell you? Can I tell you? Can I tell you? Can I tell you? Broadway restaurant. I got a Broadway more than time. Yes, that's a reason to be in New York. No, - No, no, no. - Role. - So, so. - So, so. - Rush the wrongs party. - No, bro. - Then. - That, that Broadway area needs more. - Let me tell you. - Let me tell you. - Broadway needs more than Broadway. - Can I tell you? - You travel from Jersey? - Can I tell you? - Can I tell you? - Yeah. - Can I tell you? - Yeah. - Can I tell you? - 'Cause they got Broadway. - This is what, this is what New York has that no other city has. It's true diversity, and I'm not talking about just different races. It's true. - I agree with you. - Ethnic diversity and economic diversity. What I mean by that is, in LA, they got diversity, but everybody lives in their own little country. Our meaning's live over here. Mixing's live over here. Black people live over here. White people live over there. Jews live over there. - I agree with that. - They don't really, we live on top of and next to each other, right? So, the average New Yorker has spent so much more time in Chinatown than any person on the play. Obviously, there's other places that have Chinatown. They understand there's like entire neighborhoods. There's higher streets that are just Indian restaurants that are right next to a place that's like an economic hub. And the broker that grows up in the projects happens to live one block from some Google headquartered. - Headquartered. - And I didn't detect world. What if, no, no, but it's not about that. What I'm trying to say is a lot of the places, right? In the world, at least from like, in my experience of going, it's like, you kind of live in your area and you don't even really go out to see anything else. Because New York is literally so on top of one another and we all will take the fucking subway. We are all intermingling. You get access to certain levels of wealth and levels of poverty that most people don't understand. - What about those people who are living in-- - Which people in Beverly Hills? Well, maybe it's a little different now because they're getting robbed all the time. - But they don't know about Compton. - What about those people who live in Brown, who say they've never even been to Times Square? - Yeah, well, the further out, New York is never been to Times Square. We don't go there. - We don't go to Times Square. - That's just you. - That's for you. - That's for you. - Times Square is for tourists, but he's talking about Broadway. But there's nothing down there but tourists. - Listen, I know a lot of Broadway you've been through this year. - Oh, two. - Two! That's a lot. - Yeah, that's it. - I've been like eight. - You're gayer. (laughing) - Like, what do you want it? - All I want to say right now. - And I know y'all are like-- - You're the president of New York. - And I love New York City. New York that's been great. - Really? - You're making my case. Just say, what is New York have to offer it? - Yeah. - You're coming into New York for the thing that I just said. - But I have a career. - Let me tell you how my actual career is. - Let me ask you a question. - No, no, no, no. - I think what Charlemagne is saying is this, and I don't know. But if you're 45 years old, you've got a family of three and you're working for UPS, for example, right? And you're busing your ass and you're grinding. And your rent is astronomical and the amount of money. It's a struggle to do that. A hundred percent. - I get that and a hundred percent. I think a lot of people will probably agree with you. I think there are a lot of people that are in those positions where I might have to move out to the suburbs. I gotta provide for my family. This rent is just unbelievable. It's crazy. But for the 22 to like 32 year old who has that like, it's almost like a rate of passage. - Are you a college? - You've been in college, you moved to New York, you get into the hustle, you're an artist, you're gonna take some job that you hate so you could work on your fucking art and you're gonna treat your dreams. There's nothing more. You walk out your building, bro. You walk out your building and all of a sudden, you're gonna see some fucking celebrity walking and a celebrity you actually respect. Walking down the street, walking their dog. You're like, what the fuck was that? You're gonna walk into it. - You mean now? - Yes, dude. - You're gonna walk into a restaurant. You're gonna walk into a restaurant from a country you didn't even know existed and try a food that you didn't even know could have been created. It's like everything is at your fingertips in this city in a way that's not in other places.
When you say celebrity, you mean like somebody that's here visiting because they're no somebody could be walking out robbing the nero. Yeah, but he's I walked into restaurant. I learned about it. I was so like, oh Doesn't matter, but I'm just saying they are just like right. It's it's there to you like I know what you're saying But that's other places you can experience that. Oh, yes It is Atlanta. You can experience that LA you can experience that what are we talking about guys? You can straighten often nowadays Listen, I think the biggest threat to New York outside of affordability is the internet because I think the internet is what's Undercutting explain. I just look at my kids and I'm like I always had this vision of like raising kids in New York and like because to me Even coming from somewhere like Philly, which is very adjacent New York was always Three months ahead five months ahead. They had the music first. They had the fashion first, you know, and then Most of the country is behind Philly other parts of the country could have been a year and a half Yeah, right, but the New York kids were all you know canal jeans company. Oh my god. That's where they you know you pick any of these institutions and They got to see music before anybody else You can go down the list, but now you're saying the internet. Oh my kids are consuming the same culture Largely that somebody in Arkansas is consuming. Yeah, yeah, the difference is in Arkansas And this is not like the fine effect my kids also get on the subway every day remote work help I think remote work I think chance you know, it I think remote work showed us that like hey There are other awesome places that are awesome for different reasons people moved out to Utah and they're like oh my god Like New Yorkers for the first time in our lives are like your nature is kind of fire Florida. You would never know what I loved it I love my I was so happy in Miami. I couldn't write Joe you bought you bump into celebrities all day there in Miami That's what you care about. It's not about bump into celebrities But I guess my point is like there is just so much and so much excitement There's an energy on the street in this city that is unlike any other place. I've ever been and I've traveled the whole country I've traveled a lot of the world like I'm not saying their other places aren't amazing. I mean, sure if you have kids in this city like In all seriousness if you have kids in the city and you can get them into a good school New York and probably London are the only places on the planet The work and London the only places on the planet where if you get your kid into a good school their peer group will end up being as successful As all the people who go to Harvard for the same reason where I'm trying to say is when people go to Harvard It's not just for the education. It's just it's for the fact that all the people going there are some princes kid a senator son a President's this, but you had that in elementary and middle school. I can tell you is not me I went to public school if you can get into a good school. You have in a public school too. Yes, of course of course Yeah, but but less so than if you're going on one of these. I probably bleep this but the School my kids go through New Jersey. Yeah, it's unbelievable. That's what I'm saying so like it's it's unbelievable So it's private school, but the value of that peer group. Yeah, is I mean, it's just indescribable, right? It's like the access that you have for those people and those are gonna be their true friends They're not like they're not friends because they were networking their friends because they first, you know Learned out of finger a girl together like they have core memories with these people And then they grow on that in a point disenfranchised area even more. It's back. It's back. Yeah, I'm right. Get a little chit-go-dust I mean, it's like I got I got a lovely finger in a wealthy area This kid just promoted a party for it's it's one of playboy parties destroy lonely. I don't even know Yeah, yeah, he's 16 years old. He goes to La Guardia He just threw a party with 3000 people. He cleared like a hundred thousand dollars at the door like this kid is on a Dr. E. You can only do that here. You can only do it in New York. You can only do it here. Check your arrogant New York asses The that is not true. Okay. Okay. Okay. What the fuck you can do it easier here than you can in Columbia, South Carolina Yes, but you name Columbia, South Carolina. What about Atlanta, Georgia? What about Los Angeles, California? What about Austin, Texas? What about Miami, Florida? You can do it easier here. No, and it's cooler. It's cooler It is here. Why do you go to Miami for code because they're open? It's COVID in Miami's fly Well, no, cuz they don't believe in you don't a plane and go to Miami for the weekend. They don't believe in rules Everything was still open. Why you go to the Hampton's every weekend. I should just fire But that's still New York. I'm not gonna lie. I was in LA last week. I would move there tomorrow Really see I don't feel bad. Yo, but I'm with you. I don't I don't like LA. Listen. I'm not saying I don't like LA It's cool. I'm just saying if you could do it at the highest level That'd be amazing. So so my Highest level my issue my issue with LA is a philosophical one. Yes, and it like One of the coolest things about New York is we still value Greatness authenticity authenticity like it Curtis sliewa is a celebrity to us because he's this unique interesting character The best skateboarder is gonna be popping here The best artist is gonna be pop in here and we gravitate on we love them Whereas LA is a is a star-based city. It's built around entertainment superstars So you could be the star of the biggest movie that sucks and you're gonna get way more love than like the indie director That's really a person fuck that Interesting person. We gotta be honest though like we value we value interesting Artists and great people here and and and what is interesting? I'll give credits to some of the billionaires What the billionaires realize and this is what the tech bros are starting to realize is like they work their whole life to make Billions of dollars thinking that that's gonna make everyone like them and then they realize that they can't get laid and then they start going Fuck like I thought once I had all this money out my life will be good and then they go Shit, so then they start hanging out with the party guys and they see if they can you know entrench themselves into those groups New York you don't need to be the tech bro to get matter of fact There are clubs right now that are like actively trying to not let the hedge funds and tech guys in cuz they think it's gonna Fuck the vibe, but it's never just been y'all I got the most money and once it does it starts to become uncool But we gotta admit that there was a time New York had more of that a lot a lot a lot more of that like who's the last Huge artists to come out of New York City Hardy Cardi B. Who's the last huge comedian to come out of New York City Andrew? We think about how she was far between has been just over the last decade Salamay is a kid of rap New York. I didn't know something was real. You know he went to the same school No, no, no, he went to PCS. No, he went. Well, I know he went to the Guardian Went to the Guardian and then I think he went to NYU. He's born. I didn't know that. Yeah, you see. Okay, three people I mean that's reason But they were in the 90s think about the 80s and the 90s also when when New York was really the hub of culture I think I think what's also happened is like we've become older so we're less aware of what's going on Yeah, and I also think the internet has created a thousand different cultures like we don't exist in monoculture anymore There's like a thousand different small things So we're like you were telling me that kid through this party with 3,000 people none of us knew that should happen But 16 year olds were probably like, yo, this is the crazy. I was crazy. I just think that would all of it and I'll go back to my original point All of the money that we spend in New York if New York Looked as futuristic. New York should look like the fucking city in the Jets is at this point. That's all I'm saying I think I think I would change what it looks like. I think I would go like if you felt like you were getting Things for that money. Yes, and this is something I was talking about is like listen We have an antagonistic relationship with government in general like that's the history of America like Hey, we don't want to pay those taxes. Let's go to war about it like we constantly we set up our whole governmental system Assuming that they were going to be corrupt people and they were going to try to usurp power and we're like all right We'll let's divide this shit up so they can't do it So we already don't trust government. So we haven't actually lived in a place where the government We felt like was doing something for us. So I was like listen if you can be successful Convince New Yorkers that the government can help them you could change the way we see government But you're going up against 400 years of us going government sucks and government tries to fuck you So you're gonna run into a lot of pressure I think New York just governs itself, well, that's why we don't vote for mayor. That's why none of us care You know I have you how many like I'm Sun, Sun, Sun, Sun, Sun, and I vote everything. Yeah, I'm one of those allies Yeah, I bet you they turn And put money into the city. Yo, the subways what if the subways look like the amtrak from from fucking New York to DC You know you get nice food and fucking some drinks. There's some ways don't even look good for all the money that it is crazy That they haven't found a way for the subways to make money. We literally have to use it Because it's we have because of the way it looks you need to let like some drug dealer run a subway like Diction bro. It's addiction at the end of the day We have to use it. How do you not find a way to make this probably have a road to train from New York to DC? Yeah, when you ride the train from New York to DC, you'll see elected officials on there You'll see send it is on there cuz you can actually go toss more money to get on Because it's worth it. No, it's not worth it. It's been a hundred dollars of fucking day to drive into the city All I'm saying is for the money that the subways make they can look better than me Make some ways don't make money is it fucked up? That's all I'm saying. Why are we arguing like the mta looks discussed? No, nobody's nobody's arguing with that. I'm actually trying to talk about like how clearly inept they are Yeah, like it's fucked up like how would it how is it possible that this place now? What I'll also say is that it's a 24 hour system And I think it might be the only one that exists in the Western hemisphere. That was largely built a hundred years ago And they can't shut it down. That's the problem. Yeah, you shut it down eight million people are gonna be like the fuck is going on here We'll start the construction bro. The same way they've been working on the GWB for fucking 20 plus years start the construction on it But how do you do construction? I don't use it
I don't know, so you know what you got to do and I'll be honest with you and it sounds fucked up and like there gonna be a bunch of like developers to make a whole lot of money off it and people are gonna be upset. But you almost need to go yo for the next 10 years developers build whatever the fuck you want and you don't got to pay taxes on it. You just need to say I love that. Yeah. Now they do now that's why they're not built. But here's my my question. When they weren't they were building though. The most influential group historically in New York at least for the last 100 years has been the developers when it comes to politics. They have the most money and they throw it around the most from what you're saying about Zoran's plan. It would actually be a windfall for them because it only works if you can build new units. But he wants to build it with the government. I mean he's saying he wouldn't be behind them then. He says he want to work with local developers and ever but like it's they don't have the incentive structure based on profitability that he wants right. It's like the only reason why these luxury builders are going up is because that's the only thing you can make money. You want a little bullshit kindergarten in the first floor that get a tax abatement and then the rest of it is market price. Let's let's let's let's sell that way. The point is we have a real rent issue here and the only way you get around the rent issue is by having more it's supply and demand. You got to have more units and in order to do that you got to let these developers fucking develop. I don't know if I mean Zoran thinks that the city can do it like the government can do it. I don't know if that's been proven to us to be effective in the past. So that's going to be tough bro. That's you have housing projects essentially. Yo sliewa actually has the best approach in terms of actually solving it. Like he's like yo we're going to wipe back all this regulation. Now the problem is it it won't protect these people that are rent stabilized and won't protect these people that are in rent control like a lot of those might lose their thing so that people start renovating those places and we'll have the vacant. So tennis will get fucked but he actually has a thing that in the long term will help the most people which is more absorbed. Zoran wins. He needs to find a place for Curtis and his god damn administration. Yeah. Make Curtis Police Commissioner or something that I got like something. Curtis got to be an administration. Listen. How does China have so much development and innovation because they're hundreds of years old in the country. They're cooking to look at the economy. I said they're cooking the books not the barks. My point is you can see the problem is they put so much money into it and it was all there was no real market for it and now you have literally entire cities go cities of abandoned high rises. I think they're even doing something. So America, New York City in particular has billions and billions of dollars. Yeah that they don't put into it and we know if we did the people wouldn't go anywhere. We wouldn't be a ghost town. But we need drag queens to reach it again. Could we build this is what we need. How about this? What does New York City have that it doesn't utilize right now? Prostitutes. Yeah. Outside. What? What? What? Fucking did he scare everybody bro? A lot of people. Did he scare everybody? Did he scare everybody bro? Prostitutes, he works since. Prostitutes. Postline. Yeah. How about we build not farges? Hold on hold on hold on. We build barges. Chris accessing a different level of Jewish brain power right now. I didn't even notice was possible. You try to put the black people back on the boats. Chris, what the fuck is going on here? Everybody get back. We want to live on boats. We came in from Ellis Island. Now we're going to go back to the boats. Chris, we're not going what is Chris saying. Yeah. Yeah. What is Chris saying? You would build. Herman barges and all this. You know, when they build everything in New York City, they thought water was actually unhealthy. So in most places in the world, the coastline is the most valuable piece of property in New York. It's the opposite. They put all the housing projects all the junk around the coast. So these are coastlines that no one's using for recreation or, you know, beautiful views. What have you? It's underutilized. You build all these barges along the East River, in the Bay, whatever. And you put fucking 30 story buildings on those. There's got to be a reason that's not happening. I mean, Trump did that shit on the West Side Highway. Well, yeah, they had that COVID boat, right? They had the COVID floating house. No, no, he just built. We want to live on that though. Yeah. They put landfill. The Roll Trade Center was they did landfill. David is landfill. So basically just make Manhattan bigger. Do we need one of those bad land? So you want to be in the river? Environmentalist Chris has gone out the window. See what a housing crisis will do. See what a housing crisis. You really need the East River. Put them in the boat. This is fucking crazy. So you want them to live on the barges? We need a little separation from Jersey. Chris, we can't get too close. We need a little separate. Jersey is West at, baby. Where do you live again? I'm not telling nobody. Damn, I'm out. Jersey's West at, okay. They built a Netflix and Jersey. They built in Lionsgate. I'm not. Hey, I'm bullish on Jersey. Yes, the Lionsgate is in Newark, New Jersey right now, the Netflix is in my mouth. Mom, if it is, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom - Monmouth, it is Monmouth. - No, no, it is Monmouth. - Look it up, yo Monmouth. - No, it is Monmouth. - No, it's not a catcher. What would you say? - I would, that's not a catcher. - Put your dick in. - No, put your dick in Monmouth. What is it, M.O.A. and M.O. - You said Monmouth. - You know, I can't pronounce shit. - No, but you were gonna get offended when I'm mispronounced in name. Like, do you hear it lifting to me? - But you have a part of your brain that makes you pronounce something in the most-- - Look it up, man. - A way possible. - Look it up next. - Look it up, Chris. You think I'm making this up, man. It's Monmouth. - It's Monmouth. - It is? - Yeah. - Hold on. - But it's spelled Monmouth. - No, to you it is, 'cause it something's going in your mouth that way. - Yeah. - And you like-- - Look how it's spelled. M-O-N-M-O-U-T-H. - Do you know what Mon means in French? - No, well-- - Mine. - Mine, my mouth, see? - Yeah. - Netflix is building a $1 billion studio complex at the former Fort Monmouth and Monmouth County New Jersey. - We'll finish. - In 2008. You know, what do you think about-- - It's funny when he says it, but it's just funny. - What do you think about Spotify and the ringer doing their deal with Netflix? - Oh, that's right. They're gonna like put some of the-- - 16 shows, eight lifestyle shows on Netflix. What do you think about that? And I think they're taking all this stuff off YouTube. There's this gonna be clips on YouTube, but you can go watch the full episodes on Netflix. That's a great deal for the ringer. I think they don't lose much because I think the most of their listens come from audio. So it's not a huge sacrifice for them video-wise. I think doing it for a big video podcast, it'd be a lot trickier. But doing it for a big audio podcast, they're like, all right, we're getting a few thousand views on shows here on YouTube. It's no big sacrifice. We could go to another place. And then I think they probably don't charge them too much. And then I think Netflix gets to test if people will listen or watch podcasts on their platform. - What do you already got podcasts on the platform? - Which one? - Netflix has some original ones. They don't have any like, like the Bill Simons are rewatchables, but they have like some like original ones that they've done. - What's the name of it? - I think they've done a true crime one. - What do you call like a reaction podcast? - A reaction podcast for shows. 'Cause didn't Crystal have one or am I making that up? - No, I wasn't on Netflix. - I wasn't on Netflix. - Yeah, that was HBO. - And the other thing too, you know, it's not global, it's just America. - I think it's a good test. Like Netflix gets to probably for not that much money test if people watch long form podcasts on their network. And if they will, then they go, why the fuck are we spending $200 million on a movie that people watch when we could spend a few million dollars on a podcast that they're gonna watch every single week? It's just a cheaper, it's a cheaper endeavor. - I don't think it costs $200 million, bro. It's insane how much movies cost. - Yes, I'm what you 100% but if I go to Netflix, I'm not going to Netflix to watch podcasts per se, right? Like YouTube is the place where you just get lost in all of that type of shit. I wonder if it shows like the ringer, I mean it shows like Bill Simmons podcast or rewatchables, can they keep the same level of production? - That's my question. He's successful on Netflix. - What do you mean? - Because Bill Simmons is just like, you go pull up one of his videos to watch the ringers. It's not even this. It's this, yeah, yeah, he got a bet. But it's like-- - I feel like, yeah, I feel like this is not even-- - This is better. - It's kind of high-level. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I don't even know it's kind of high-level. - You don't even got the book. - Riverside, like, yeah, pull up and I love Bill. Slut the Bill Simmons. But pull up like Bill Simmons, you know, podcast, just look how it looks. I just like, okay, see, this is an example, right? I'm trying to find one with his actual studio. I think it's like this one. - I think, yeah. So look, cool background, right? Real close-up on him. You know, see what he could have one no one to wear for all we know. - Yeah, I've seen this. I had that poster, by the way. But it's like a lot of 70s, 80s memorabilia. Personalized for him. - And I like it, I like the background, but it's just Netflix is what I'm saying. Or do you even have to do that now? - Well, I think the bigger question is an even like production value. And I think they Netflix said this in their press release. Is this the end of late night talk shows as we've known it? - That's, and this is your late night talk. - Yeah, it's been this way though. Like we've known that for a while. I think what they're testing to see is do people care about high production value? And the reality is, nobody goes on Netflix and they're like, this production value better be a lot fucking better than what I was watching before. They just go on Netflix, like, what is going to distract me? And if they could do that with Bill?
Like if they could do that, again, I assume Netflix's goal is not to just be TV and movies. - They can't be anymore. - Exactly. So I assume what their goal is, they're doing live events, right? Imagine you could watch an NBA game on Netflix, and then immediately after watch Bill talk about what happened in the NBA game, you have to. So I think this is their like dip in their toes and-- - I think it's genius for both parties, because you're just taking eyes away from YouTube, which was free eyes for the most part. - Exactly. - You already has Netflix. So it's gonna be easy to convert people like, "Oh, hey, you want to keep watching, just watch me on Netflix." - Netflix. - I agree. Netflix is probably the easiest screaming platform to do this on them, because Netflix is like, it's everywhere, but that shit is on remote controls. - Kiltzoni did it first. Kiltzoni is a podcast, it's a live podcast, and Netflix, I think ordered four of them a year, eight of them a year, 12 of them. I'm not exactly sure. So-- - Easily? - It was on it. - Yeah, it's been happening regularly. - They made a deal with it. So it's like, they're testing to see like, "Can these things happen now?" Grant, that is like a live event show. There's production value to that. You're doing an arena, so it's a little bit different. But still, it's, I think they're testing, "Can will people watch long-for content, "for content that's inexpensive to make?" And nothing would make them happier than finding out that we will be willing to watch two hours of a podcast. They cost a fraction of what the newest expendables will be. - And we apologize that you come back to it. - Yeah, I thought during the writer's strike, man, when the writer's strike happened, the most recent writer's strike, I was like, yo, the last time there was a writer's strike, it was the rise of reality television, right? And so I thought, I was telling my agency and everything, like, you know, with this writer's strike, it should be the rise of podcasting, because we're doing this already. We're shooting our own content. All you gotta do is take it, put the catalog up on your motherfucking platform, put our new episodes out every week, and see what the fuck happens. It's not gonna cost you anything. You just cut us a motherfucking check, you know what I'm saying? We're already doing our own production, and see what the fuck happens. So it is gonna be interesting to watch. I don't, I don't know. - I think there is a production floor though. I don't think it has to be high. But like, I think Bill Simmons in his studio is one thing versus like Bill Simmons on Zoom at his desk, on Zoom talking to somebody else. I think if you were on Netflix, you got that. Maybe that would feel a little, or does it not matter? - Let me tell you why, I don't think it matters. - Okay. - I think we've gotten to a point where the screen is the screen. - Right. - People are watching Netflix on their phone or iPad. Remember, it's not, we're old. Like, we watch Netflix on our TV screen at home, but even now people are casting things on their TV screen. Once the screen is the screen, it doesn't really matter. How many times do we see really needed? Somebody takes a screenshot post that they're watching it on their TV at home. - Oh, all the time. I see that with breakfast club content, burying these content and everything. But, you're sleeping on our production value. - Our production value. - Come on, bro. We changed the game. Look at this. - Yeah, and you were sitting in the fucking studio. - Got bush, bro. You know what I'm saying? - Some of them, you wrote. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's a little bit different. But I will say this is much modified too. I mean, is it worth, just hear me out. I'm not saying it's not. I just want to discuss it. Is it worth taking your full videos off YouTube, which is global, putting them on Netflix, which is just in the US? - For the ringer, yes, because they don't really get views on YouTube like that. For us, the bag would have to be bigger, because we're looking at, we're going, oh shit, a significant portion of our audience is on, what's it called? There's other shows, not just the ringer. There's another one that's like mostly audio, uh. It's a dissect, I saw it was part of the deal. - So, I'm using a breakdames show. - I've got even like the New York Times. Like, I bet any of those type of pods, like where it's like, people can watch it on YouTube, sure, but the majority of people are listening to it. Those pods, I think that there's no sacrifice, or there's minimal sacrifice for them to go to Netflix. - I'm just surprised for Spotify, because Spotify has been doing a push to get more video content, and for like, trying to convert YouTubers onto the. - Oh, that business though, weren't you? When they had their own video platform, and they was trying to give people the pay for behind the pay wall, the evening night. - No, not even behind the pay wall. Now it's like, if you just have your phone open, then you see the video, but you can still close your phone and just listen to the audience. - Yeah. - And they've been trying to push that. So I'm actually surprised they're moving away from that. - I mean, it's hard to turn down Netflix, bro. - That's true. - You know what I'm saying? It's hard to turn. The only other place that's probably harder to turn down Netflix is maybe Apple, right? Apple would be cool, right? Like Apple would be a cool partner. I can't think of a new body else after that. Maybe Amazon? - Yeah, I think Netflix is that. - Most people have Netflix. - Because everybody got Netflix, bro. Netflix is, like, that shit is on remote controls already, bro. - That's the thing, if it's there, it's there. And people watch it. - Yeah, the only thing that's on the remote is Netflix. - Amazon. - Amazon Prime and YouTube. - Disney. - Disney's on remote stuff. - Oh shit. - All right, let's take some bills, guys. - You got church announcements? - I have mosque announcements. - Talk to me, man. - Yeah, now that I have-- - Talk to me, man. - Converted to communism. - Okay, okay. - People are going to take you serious, watch. - Say again. - People are going to take you serious. - What have time for that? - Yeah, I can't be taking serious. - Yeah, we don't have time for people to take it. We just let people bicker on the internet. That's what we're saying. - We have fun. - That's the best thing, bro. - Stop engaging, throw the fucking rock and hide your hand. - Y'all look crazy. Y'all keep wanting to tell 'em, okay. - Tell 'em what we do, bro. - Tell 'em what we do. - If you tell 'em what we do, then they react. - Go, go, go, go. - I mean, we're angry, stop it. - Stop it, stop it. - I'm talking about Rihans. - Are you back to what shows yet? - Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm back, getting up again. - I'm back again. So that's gonna be the next few months, is really just kind of getting back in the clubs, grinding, and putting together another hour. - Got you, yeah. - My church announcement, Friday, I'll be in Columbia, South Carolina. I'll be home in the Metro University of South Carolina, home, coming to my wife's alma mater. And I'm doing a book conversation, a moderated book. I'm moderating a conversation with Don Staley and Asia Wilson. You know, Don Staley, she put out a book on comment favor on my book in print, Black privilege publishing early this year, been on New York Times best sellers list for weeks. And you know, yeah, we're having a conversation about the book at the Colonial Life Arena, this Friday at 4.30 p.m. and then right after that, they're having an exhibition game against Anderson, South Carolina. And yes, Asia Wilson will be joining us for that conversation. Big Asia, greatest WNBA player ever, argue with your freaking mother, okay? It's time to be arguing with y'all about who the greatest WNBA player of all time. We know it's Asia Wilson, cut it the fuck out. - Who would say otherwise? - People who actually watch this for it. (laughs) - Who would say. - I watched the WNBA though, but I mean, she's the best to be, you know, and like, who else is in there? - Maya Moore. - Oh, okay, yeah. - Maya Moore, you know what I was thinking too, I want to say this real quick. Lisa Leslie should be the WNBA commissioner. - Ooh. - I saw Kathy, I know people who've had the issues with Kathy Engelbert, I think her name is, she even got boot, you know, when the Aces won the championship and she had to present the trophies. - Ooh, that's like, you know, it's popping. - Yeah, you know, 'cause she made a comment that, I think she denied that she even said that, I'm not sure, but I just think that, what is this? - NBA commissioner makes big admission about, but that's Adam Silverdle. I'm talking about the WNBA commissioner. Her name is Kathy Engelbert. - I just think Lisa Leslie would make a great commission for the WNBA, bro. - Yeah, why? - I just had that revelation, I think, 'cause she's not just a player, you know, a founding player of the WNBA, and she actually knows the players. I think sometimes in those positions, you know, you need people who actually know what the league is. - Has there ever been an ex-player who's the commissioner of a sports league? - I don't think so. - Look, man, I agree 100%. Can we move on? - Shut up. (laughing) - I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how much time I can pretend to give a five-foot commission to the WNBA. - Yo, Lisa Leslie, I'm rooting for you. I don't give a fuck what you're talking about. - Yo, get some money, Lisa. - I don't wanna see Lisa. - Love you. - Get it. - It's gonna be a commission. I'm not even here to create an argument for it. I'm just throwing it out there. - Hey, Lisa. - Throw it out there, okay? - Lisa Leslie should be the new WNBA commissioner. - I'll give you a move, y'all deal with it. - I'll figure it out myself. - It's not qualified. - I'll give you a munchy of selves. What else we got, Alex? What happened in Palm Culture this week, man? Rest in peace. - Chris was angry, Chris was angry right there. You see that? - Why? - 'Cause you were about to take away one of the few positions for Jewish people in sports. (laughing) - We're pretty good. - Relaxing. Commissioner, that's not only true. - Shout out David Stern. - Good God. - Now, go. - Adam Silver. - Adam, Adam. - Adam E. - I mean, Adam Adam is at the helm during the most successful time in the history of NBA. We might, you know what I mean? You gotta give credit for credit. - Is the most successful time? - Financially, this is making crazy money. - Yeah, I guess. Is that his part? Is that 'cause of him, though? - Let's give him a little credit.
He's an odd-looking guy. Crazy last name to be Jewish, bro. Is he Jewish? No, he was Jewish. If he's not Jewish, I'd be very surprised. (laughing) I was Christus and I just wanna clarify. He Christus Jewish. Okay. We eat the kina. The kina, though. A little bit, right? I don't know if we can see it. (laughing) I don't know, Christus. Oh yeah, yeah. Does it Jews consider me Jewish? Say again? Do the Jews consider me Jewish? Yeah, and today you have views on Palestine. All right, but still. Yeah, still a Jew, baby. I don't know. Like, no one really knows that you look like most people assume that they're-- I look like a Jew. There's no question I look like. Yeah. Yeah, I think. I think. All right, so I live on a Jewel. (laughing) So, what was this energy? Christ made online disease for the last six months. My line doesn't look good. He perked the fuck. I'm gonna be honest with you, man. I don't know how I feel about this, Christ, because you've been ducking your Jewish hair. Yeah, I don't know. That's a couple of years. What happened? What happened? Oh, the wound is gone. (laughing) This is the smile. Now he's coming out the comments. (laughing) So I only got a, I can give credit to guys like, dubbing, rapping, his set. SUD. The whole time. That's right. Christ, you been kind of, eh. Making your glasses off your eyes look full. Yeah. (laughing) That's the little, you know, I've had the Yamaha with soda, I've walked in. You know, that's not getting crazy. That's not getting crazy. Head banging, see what they want. (laughing) Yeah, I went to a bar mitzvah last year. Okay. So, I have a black friend. (laughing) I was invited to the barbecue once. What happened at the bar mitzvah grid? So I parked my car. Okay. Put the money in, went inside, put the Yamaha on. Yeah. And then halfway through, I forgot to, you know, punish the meter. So I ran out, forgot to take the thing off. I'm like, hold on. People are looking at me different here. What's, you see what I'm saying? The energy, that's like, fuck. You see what I'm saying? He took it off. See, that's what I'm saying, Chris. That's why we questioned in you. They thought, I don't rock it like dub. Nah, they thought you was taking money out of the parking. Out of the meter. (laughing) It's like in a Chris, like, yo. Does he got a magnet attached to that? (laughing) How does he do that? (laughing) She got a quarter on a string. (laughing) (laughing) Oh my God. Hey, what else we got, Alex? These on, change me, bro. Chris, are you voting for Zoran? I'm, I told you, I'm from New York. We don't vote in the neighborhood. Why are you frontin' on Curtis, though, bro? I, so, I, honestly. Curtis makes the loudest. I might, I might have to vote for Curtis, bro. I might have to vote for Curtis. Curtis makes a lot of sense to me, bro. I like, I like honest people. You, I might have to vote for Curtis, bro. You will get me every time just being honest, bro. I know. Who knows, honest? I, I, I have no problem with Zoran, my daddy. I, um, you know how I get, man. You overhyped something, I gotta beat up. Yo, I know. (laughing) He's not even from here, so he wants to be a hipster. No, but, I like Curtis, bro. I like Curtis. Curtis is fire. I just feel like, you know, I like Zoran Mandana. I like his messaging, I'll tell you that. But, you know, like, when I hit, like Maddie Hassan was like, oh, he's a generational talent. I'm like, what are we talkin' about? 'Cause Maddie never said that about you, bro. No. Zoran Mandani is both a once in a generation political talent in terms of his communication skills, in terms of his policy platform, in terms of his charisma. He's once in a generation, like Obama asks. No doubt about that, even his enemies can see that. But at the same time, he's also benefited. He's a lucky candidate in that he has his opposition divided between three people, two of whom are clearly freaks. And I'm not talkin' about Curtis Lua. We talk about generational talent. Yo, who's a generational political talent to you? Barack Obama. Okay. Who's a generation of political talent to you? I thought he was overhyped. Oh, hello. The two of my lifetime, Clinton Trump. Did no question Clinton, no question Clinton. No question Clinton. You're a political beast. No question Clinton. Yo, you know what? No question Trump is. No question. But see the only reason. I know a question. I grade Trump on a curve and I'll tell you why. He's not a politician. Oh, so you got, he's not a cripple. You got higher standards for somebody. Yeah, I see. Everything Trump does, he's supposed to do because of his background. That's a good point. Like he's already a celebrity. He had all of that. Now Clinton was generational. I wasn't around for Reagan. But, good. But apparently, he needs to look generational to me. Yeah. Kennedy looked generational. I wasn't there, but he looks generational. I think Obama was generation. Yeah. Obama was racial. Yeah, Chris, you're bugging out now. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Obama's generation. All right. You've been around so many black guys. And Mondani is early, but also he doesn't have, he can't run for president. So I don't think he'll have as much of an impact just being from New York. Man, that's not true. Like everybody else, everybody else, your names was presidents. Yeah. And Trump's from New York. You can be if you know what you got it. You got it. I'm saying he can't be a generation. That's not true. Because he'll never be able to run for president. To get up there. No, I don't think that. I don't think he's a generational talent, just because I don't see that shit. Like, it's cool. I think. I like his messaging. I think he's good. He's really good. Well, certainly. He's like a guy who played one year in college. Obama had him in the beginning. That's what he said. I remember listening to Barack Obama on 1D1M Show, and he was promoting the audacity of hope. And you were like, who is that? I never, you know, I never heard of him. You're like, who is that guy? I'm saying here in New York, everybody's like, who is this Zoga? That's not true. Yes, every. That's not true. No, here in New York, here in New York people are. He is very good, but he is speaking in his political talent to me is not like the shmuz. It's recognizing exactly what the problem the people have is and speaking to it. And that's what Trump did. That is. And that is what the other guys just can't do. And it's not a tough problem to see if you just open your goddamn eyes. Yes, shit is too expensive. Every fucking way. Why would Cuomo know that? Cuomo had never had to worry about renting the last fucking 100 years. It's also that he took a stand. Let's call it on Gaza when none of the other. That was the. That was the game-changing moment. Yeah. The debate. That was the bill. I think that's when he tapped into something. He tapped. And that was what he tapped into. More Trump energy. Ooh. America fur. America fur. York fur. York fur. That's what it was. Come on. When somebody asked you if you rented a mayor race and somebody asked you about a foreign country, and you were like, bro, what are we talking about? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm about New York. That's like, oh, yeah. All that messaging works. The messaging of affordability. The messaging of you first. Come on, guys. Yeah, I can like, you never tricked the girl before. You're the only one. You're the only one. Yeah, just you. You bought a number one. Yeah, just you. Hey, take a minute for money. Just market. Just market now. I'm just saying you never finessed a girl. He's not let down. He's not let down. Okay, you never tricked. Okay, tricked all. You never tricked all one a girl. You bought number one. Hey, you buy number one. Hey, go buy you something nice. Get your nails done. Y'all complicate this politics thing, Rob. I know. You'll fix that yeast infection. Y'all want to know the truth to the matter? That nobody ever wants to admit. What's that? The best politicians are whole. Name them. What? Was JFK not considered a lady's man? Oh. They're out there. They're out there hitting skins. 'Cause they know how to be liked. Was Trump not out here knocking them down? Yo, he was knocking them down, Rob. That's a fact. And guess what? If you talk to Derek. It's tough. You know, he got a point. He got a point. You will get to the point. So you think they're all love bombing? That's all the way. It's love bomb. That's all the way. I will take this. 100% love bomb. One big love bomb. That's it. That's the wrong love bomb in everybody right now. And it's working because he's telling us what we want to hear. The rent is too damn high. When rent is too damn high, I got love bomb. Is it almost works? And guess what? When he gets in the office and can't get done and done, he's going to blame it on your ex. Who is Donald Trump? Donald Trump. Donald Trump is going to come through. Oh, you with this bull now? Now he wants you back. Now he's going to be interfering in the politics. He already said it, by the way. He said it yesterday. He literally was like, you know, listen, Curtis can't win. You know, I'm paraphrased. And you can look it up. But he was like, basically Zoran is going to win. And he was like, but remember, they got to go through the White House. Like, maybe not other White House, but they got to go through this White House. A new poll shows that if Curtis Lee was dropped out of the New York mayoral race, then Andrew Cuomo would only trail Mamdani by four points. Would you call Curtis Lee what to drop out of the race so that that can happen? Well, I looked at the polls and it looks like we're going to have a communist as the mayor of New York. It'll be very interesting. But here's the business. He's got to go through the White House. Everything goes through the White House. At least this White House it does. And we'll have to see what happens. But that's letting you know, I say just ran down on Canal Street yesterday. Yeah, I should was crazy. What if you ever see I say just ran down on Canal Street? I've been waiting for that. Bitch, I'm not going to lie. The Broats Canal Street.
Street was an open air that forced one bizarre, it was crazy. That is the one place I want to play. Canal Street was crazy. It's not like the little shops where you're going to buy the fake bags. The whole sidewalk had turned into an open air bizarre. - I thought it was legal. - No, they're selling crazy shit. - That's why when you do things out in the open like that. - No one's gonna like a fascinating study if you watch it for the last 10 years 'cause that was that fake handbag and watches completely controlled by the Chinese. - And then the Sudanese are somebody's-- - My staff begins or I don't know where. - Yeah. - Like-- - No, I think it's still controlled by the Asians. - They just got them selling it? - Yeah. - Nah. - They're taking all the risk, yeah, yeah. So it's trying to still shipping all about it. - Click on that CNN article, Chris. What does that say? Trump says he'll speak to Zora Mondani if he wins New York City Melaries. This is all I'm watching you. - That was the same combo. - Yeah. - It was, right? - Yeah. - Listen to his gangsta shit, man. - There's mom Donnie if he wins. That's what he tells me to. - Did you say that? - This is my kind of impression. - It's big to him, but look, I love New York. I've always loved New York. I just can't believe a thing like this is happening. With a communist in charge, look, you just go back a thousand years. I mean, it's been done many times, a thousand years. It's never worked once, so it's not gonna work. - The Democrat Party now more Zora Mondani's party than it is even leader Schumer. - That is true, it's the Democrat party. - The people, not the bothers of the people. - No. - Son, I gotta get out of New York, the whole New York. - You gotta get in and work. - The Democrats are just as leaderless as they was six months ago. - No, well, I said the reason they're leaderless is because they don't have a galvanizing force for their old school rhetoric. The new young kids, they're about this socialist stuff. - And you know who's leading that charge? - Bernie. - Bernie. - F-A-L-C. - F-A-L-C. - F-A-L-C. Yes, Mondani, I don't even think he's a close third. He's food off that tree though. - He's definitely food off that tree, 100%. But it's Bernie and A-L-C. - That's clear, that's Christmas shit. - Yeah, man. - And Bernie, yo, bro, Bernie. - And it's communism. - Did you say, you said Oivey communism? - Oivey. - I love it. - That's hysterical. - Oivey is like a-- - Age of shit? - No, wait, that's Oivey. (laughing) - Let's make some build and do some asking Nidia. - Yeah. (laughing) (upbeat music) - Listen, man, let's do some asking Nidia, it's a man. What we got, I don't want nobody to think, I don't give a fuck about Zora Mondani. I just, yeah, I did like Zora when he came to Breakfast Club. But Curtis and he was very entertaining, bro. Y'all need to have Curtis on the flag. - Listen, this is the problem. We enjoy entertaining people. And our entire identity is not politics, but a lot of people, their entire identity is politics. So they get very sensitive around anything political, unless you're 100% agreeing with-- - Yeah. - So I hear where you're coming from, and I hear your hesitation, but I'm telling you, is that wrench it, man? People are fucking struggling. - And fordability. - You're, I'm with you. Samson KT says, "How did you guys navigate the most confusing phases of your life, your early 20s as young men?" I don't think that was the most confusing phase of my life. - That's not even a question. - Nah, that was, that was fucking my 20s. - I think teens are more confusing. 20s is just like hustle grind, have fun, hustle grind, have fun. And then when you become an adult, and you have family. - Yeah, that's it, whatever age you become an adult, and you got a family, you know what I'm saying? If you get married at 25, and you got a couple of kids, that's when shit gets tricky. - Ooh, okay. - That's confusing. - That's a good point. You know, it's the least confusing, 'cause your job is, right there. - Yeah. - Kids, I'm not talking about marriage. I'm talking about kids. - Yeah, but life is no longer yours. So when something is going on with your child, that you can't, I guess, control our fix in that moment, you really be sitting there like, what the fuck am I supposed to do? It's the, it sucks. - Yeah, anytime, I think once you have wife and kids, that's when it gets confusing. Other than that, if you just, out here, Lovita, loco by yourself, what is that gonna be confused by? Other than figuring out what you wanna do with your life? I don't know. Chelma, the 24 underscores, seven says, if you couldn't raise one human emotion from existence, which would make life better to a race? Ooh, that's a good-ass question, Chelma. - Envy. - Wow, yeah, Envy's a good one. - Everything falls under Envy. - Envy, well, Envy is a good one. - Wow, I was gonna say anger, but anger can be motivated by envy, yeah. - Yeah, I mean, and also anger sometimes is good. Like it's good to be angry about things. Like you should be angry when bad things happen in the world, you wanna change that. But just being envy is just because someone got something more than you or just because you're not getting an opportunity to someone else's get, yeah, that, get that out of here, bro. - I just don't like a rational anger. Like when you hear the stories of like, um. - Ah, when you hear the stories of like, (exhaling) - Smells like my size. - All right, squishy. I'm most likely well lubricated because of the things we had for dinner. - You're quite bored. First day in prison, are you already farting? You're singing to me, boy? I always knew that you come here was a blessing in these guys. Why are you going to? By the time I'm done, those fights don't sound the same. Did you really seem to call me poetry or nothing? (laughing) Don't worry, I got your back, literally. - The other day with a mom who held a door for a woman at Petsmart, Petsmart. Now the mom is with her 20 year old daughter. She holds the door for a woman at Petsmart. The woman walks in Petsmart. The mom gets mad that the woman didn't say thank you. So the mom goes to the woman is like, yo, you didn't say thank you, whatever, whatever, they get to argue and blah, blah, blah. So the lady follows her, follows the mom out the store. They get to fight, or no follows her to the next store. They end up fighting somehow and then the woman that she held the door for ends up pulling out of gunning, killing the mom. - Oh really? - Yeah. That's just irrational anger. Like, what does that come from? That's not envy, like what does that mean? - I mean, not in that particular, she might not be, obviously, the other woman, but there's something missing in her life that's probably missing. - Yeah, it's like, there are these entitled people that think I'm-- - I don't have enough. - I'm just here to serve them. - Right. - Yeah, I don't exist. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - All right, what about the kid? It was a kid, I started the day the kid got fired from where do you get fired from? It was a fast food restaurant. It's looking my mind right now. But you get fired from the fast food restaurant. Confronts the manager the next day, ends up shooting and killing the manager. 21-year-old kid. Like you can't love working at a fast food restaurant. That fucking much, bro. - No. Like you got to know at 21 years old, getting fired from one fast food restaurant. You can probably get a job at another fast food restaurant, bro. You don't come back the next day. And the manager was like 32 years old. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Getting killed by a 21-year-old kid who's magazine lost his job. Like I don't know, so I don't know. It's some type of irrational anger I would probably want to get rid of. - I felt that way if you guys saw the clip of the guy going to the protest this weekend, I think it was in Denver. - Polaris. - It was funny, but I was just like, God, these people are also fucking angry, man. You know, like-- - I don't know what got him so mad. - Well, he was looking for the smoke. I mean, him and his-- - But nobody even touched him. Like what did the guy say to him? - They had ripped his glasses off. - Almost they saw two different videos over and ripped his glasses. - Oh, I thought he ripped his hat off. - That was glasses. - I can't see him get-- We talking about the same video? - Yeah, when he called the maggots. - Yeah. - I didn't see him get touched at all. - I just saw him take off after the kid. - Yeah, 'cause the kid, I think, he yanked something off of him. That's why he took off. - Really? - And if they're prescription, I understand. - Oh, I can't see shit in him. The video I had did not have that. I just saw the guy walking down the street. - Yeah. - He was yelling maggots, cursing him out, saying Trump forever or something like that. - Yeah. - And then he just-- I thought he just took off running after the kid. Not a kid. Somebody did trip him up. He fell the first time on his own. - He said. - And then he went running again and somebody tripped him up. - He kept hearing people say, "Tripped him, tripped him." - The kid ripped his glasses off. - Really? - Yeah, don't touch people now. - Oh, well, see that's different. See, I didn't know that. - Okay. - All right, next one. - What else we got? What else we got? Mr. Derek Jr. said, what's one thing your kids taught you this year? Oh my God, what are you talking about? The same thing they teach me every fucking year. Patience. - Humility. - Really? - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, that would be humble. You know, kids will humble you now. - Break it down. - I ain't gonna tell you as this. When I was shiring and my daughter walked in the bathroom, she looks at me, points at my dick and goes, "Mama." (laughing) - Who is this more insulting to? I'm like, yeah, it's just humility every single day. - That's hilarious, bro. - Yeah. - What about you? - No, I didn't want to tell you. Now I gotta get this thought out of my mind. (beep) - Yo. (laughing) That's cool. (laughing) - Like what the fuck? (laughing) That's crazy. - Yeah. - What the fuck is going on with me? (laughing) - No, I'm the holy person who's thinking that shit. - Yeah. - What the fuck?
I was taking it. (laughing) - That's one more, man. What else we got? - Oh yeah, yeah, you know what? You might be right, what's his name? Marty Kerk, Maui underscore Codana says, "Man titties the most embarrassing thing "that have is a man." - Yep. - Wow. - I'd say for white guys, when bald being worse. - Nah. - Nah. - Man titties, man titties. - Man titties. - You know how you know man titties are so embarrassing. - They wear a shirt. - People that wear shirts in the pool. - But you can see right through it. Like God, man. And by the way, if you just took your shirt off, we wouldn't give a fuck. - Yeah. - You know how much man titties be on the beach? Nobody's thinking about that. - Yeah. - I mean, they just take your shirt off. The fact you keep your shirt on, lets us know you insecure. I know somebody, I'm gonna tell you something, man. - I have that picture because I used to be chubby. And so I wear big shirts and walk like that to that way to shirt with kind of like fall. - Oh wow. - I got, now I got a hunchback. - Oh. - Yeah. - I didn't fucking see it. - I don't know why I said it like that. - Oh. - What's so funny, bunkers. - It was just. - Yeah. - But I walk around with this nose held high. - Yeah. - I'm walking in the room. - That was when I was a kid. - And now I'm going home and in the room to do some stories with this. - Listen, look at them ball. Man, I say let do ball punish somebody one time, bro. - For what? - Win a shirt. - It's a picture. - What is that? - I mean, because do ball is really like a little kid. You know how a little kid will walk up to you and just say some shit like, - Yeah. - Hey. - Big nose, see ya. - Yeah, yeah. - I was wrong with your teeth like that. - Yeah. - That's all we see the balls swimming up to the guy in the ocean. He's like, you know, the ball does like this. We want to say something stupid. He go. - Why you got your shirt on? (laughs) - Why you got your shirt on? - No. - That's right. - That's the first. Then the second one is, - Bet you won't take your shirt off. - No. (laughs) - Man, leave him alone, man. - You know what I mean? - He's explaining yourself. - Like explaining why you have it on is just dumb. - That's the same. - And the genius of it is, it's no need to call out the man. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just add it. - Just bring attention to the fact that this guy got his shirt on in the pool. - Why are you wearing clothing in the water? - Oh, man. By the way, the answer was even worse than that. - What is that? - The answer was, 'cause I used to be fat. He still got to roll. - Oh no. - Oh my God. - See, come on. - Y'all evil. - Buffy, huh? (laughs) - Like, man, leave people to fuck alone, yo. - What? - What? - Don't you dare. - I know. - Don't you dare. - Don't you play both sides. Don't you play. - I told the ballroom woman, yo, leave people to fuck alone. - You can't leave people alone. - 'Cause it's funny. (laughs) Why do y'all want people to get left alone with it's funny? Would you rather the laugh or not, bro? - I would rather them laugh. - I would rather the laugh, man. - I hope you laugh this week. As always, if you listed as podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant, absolutely right. But if you listed as podcast, and you think we're just a couple of idiots, we don't know shit you're right too, it's the brilliant of this podcast. Thank you for listening. (upbeat music)
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Key Points:
The conversation centers on New York City’s soaring rent prices, with participants noting a 90% increase in six years and a growing affordability crisis.
A key political theme is the shift toward affordability as the central issue in local politics, particularly in the mayor’s race, where candidates like Curtis Lee and Zoran emphasize rent control and housing solutions.
The speaker critiques the idea that rent control alone will solve the problem, pointing out that it may instead drive up prices in the free-market sector by pushing landlords to evict tenants.
A major structural barrier to solving housing shortages is New York’s complex, restrictive regulations that make large-scale development financially unfeasible, especially in commercial-to-residential conversions.
There’s a strong belief that only increased supply through development—especially by developers—can address the rent crisis, though political and regulatory hurdles remain significant.
The discussion highlights New York’s unique cultural and social value, driven by diversity, access to opportunity, and a dynamic, intermingled urban environment that other cities lack.
There’s skepticism about government effectiveness and trust, rooted in historical distrust of taxation and bureaucracy, making policy changes difficult to gain public support.
Alternative ideas like floating housing on waterways or reusing underutilized coastal land are presented as radical, imaginative solutions to the housing crisis, though they remain untested and face environmental and logistical challenges.
Summary:
The conversation explores the deep-rooted housing crisis in New York City, driven by skyrocketing rents—up 90% in just six years—leaving many residents unable to afford basic living costs. A central theme is affordability, which has become a dominant political issue, particularly in local races where candidates like Curtis Lee and Zoran focus on rent control and housing development. However, the speaker argues that rent control alone is unsustainable, as it could push landlords to evict tenants and drive up prices in unregulated markets.
The real solution, they suggest, lies in increasing supply through development, but this is blocked by rigid city regulations that make large-scale construction—especially converting commercial buildings—financially unviable. Despite these challenges, the discussion celebrates New York’s unique cultural value: its diversity, access to opportunity, and vibrant, interwoven communities that offer experiences unmatched elsewhere. The conversation also questions public trust in government, making policy shifts difficult.
As a result, radical ideas—like floating housing on the East River—are proposed as imaginative, though unproven, alternatives. Ultimately, the core issue is not just economic but systemic: a lack of development, regulatory inertia, and deep-seated distrust of government all prevent meaningful change in housing affordability.
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The main issue is the skyrocketing rent prices, which have increased by 90% in six years for two-bedroom apartments, making housing unaffordable for many residents.
The political response focuses on affordability, with candidates promising rent control and housing development, though the effectiveness is debated due to regulatory barriers and market pressures.
The plan involves freezing rent in rent-stabilized apartments within two years and building 200,000 new units over the next decade through new development and increased municipal bond funding.
It could drive up rents in the free-market sector as landlords push out tenants to convert buildings, and it may not address the root cause of the housing shortage.
Regulatory restrictions, high renovation costs for converting commercial buildings to residential use, and the difficulty of building over 99 units due to strict city regulations.
New York offers a unique blend of economic and ethnic diversity, where different groups live in close proximity, creating a dynamic environment of culture, opportunity, and social mixing.
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