RZA Taught Kanye, The Truth About Kendrick vs. Drake, & ODB Used a Paper Towel Condom??? | Ep 702

What's up everybody and welcome to Flagrid and today we are joined by a creative legend, the inspiration, the seed, the architect. We're here with Resa, everybody. Resa is on the count. Thank you, Resa. Um, dude, thank you so much for coming. I have a, I have a question I have to ask you. I've wondered this for probably, I don't know, 30 years. Uh, there is a guy in my neighborhood. I grew up in the East Village. Okay, there was a guy. I don't know if he was homeless or not, but he would ask for money on this truth on Fort Stray and Lafayette. I got no, you're talking what I'm doing. No way, Mike. No, he told us as I was like, don't bring it up. He's not going to know. So there was a guy in Metal Mike, right? Yeah. Metal Mike. Okay. And the thing about Metal Mike was, I've been waiting to ask you this for years. I can't even. I'm shocked he knows this. I'm sorry that I doubted. I didn't know if the, if he was being genuine or if he was maybe battling skits or franning or something like that. Like, I had no clue, but the thing was you could go up to him. You could be like, yo, what's Wu Tang up to? And he would get you to get old information about what you guys were doing. You know, so crazy. He was, um, he was, he was homeless. And I think one day, I, he, you know, I'm better maybe came up to me. Maybe ask for a few dollars one day. I might have blessed him heavy, you know, I'm that type, you know. Yeah. And, and then, uh, but I might have talked, we don't feel like 10, 15 minutes, right? And this is when, uh, for some Broadway tower was the tower record. That's right. Yeah. Uh, G G street records was in that building. Oh, check it out, was who Simmons lived lived on the top floor of that apartment. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was all, it was an old share apartment, actually. That was who got from share. But anyway, and G street was in that building. And there's also another studio there. So I'll always see him. But it basically, he became my man. Now, that's my man, you know, if I had something he saw me, if he saw me, his day was good. Yeah. He was good. He well today. But then also, we came to a point where I was like, yo, yo, fuck it. Well, hand out some stickers, bro. Yeah. You know, I may. Yeah. And then, like, I don't know, like, I don't know what we had in common. It's it. But I, you know, this time, I spent like a whole hour talking to him. Really? He got to connect. Yeah. So you, so you probably, if he, if he told you some shit, bro, he got it from the source. And there were people that would go up to him. Like, this was the allure of Wu Tang, right, growing up in New York City, which is like, and also you don't have the internet this time. So the access is actual, like, you know, word of mouth information. And he had it. There would be dudes that would pull up, throw him five bucks. What a metal mic. Yeah. I was moved up to, oh, and then there was just like random inside of it. They're working on the album. It's coming together. That's insane. Why did they call it metal mic? You know, I know if it was metal mic or something mic. Motor mic metal mic. Yeah. Yeah. I just remember Mike, like, I love it. There was something else in front of his name. Um, but yeah, that's, yeah, it was a mental mic, right? Mike. I don't want to make any assumptions. Yeah. Where is Mike out today? Where is Mike? I have a scene Mike. It is, rolls like, I feel like I haven't seen it when the world traits and it came down to some shit. Like not the whole city channel. I remember that shit. He told me he was like, "Yo, they're going to hit the town." He told me it's not everything. It's a girl, it's a boy. Anyway, this is out there. He was podcasting with a roll on time, man. Mike, man, love to you, bro. We always believed you by the way, Mike. Let me get that as you Wu Tang, I don't believe you. Man, you got all this, like, just doing the research on you is really fun because it's like just stout just like the little memory lane you get to walk down. Like you grew up in the city, especially. And I was watching this, uh, this drink champs app that you did. It was like four hours with Norie Shouts for Norie. It was unbelievable. And there's a moment early in the episode where you even go like, like, well, I want to make sure we have time to get into shit. Like, I think you thought it might be like an hour or something like that. And it's like, you guys had plenty of time. You don't know sweat. And then I'm all fucking. But you told this amazing story. And it was like a Bible verse you reference, even where you're like one positive decision can be responded 10 times. Yes, yes, yes. And it was this decision, like you had 20 K. And you wanted to decide what you were going to do with your life. Yeah. How old are you at this time? This is this is right before Wu Tang. So I'm 21, 22. Okay. Yes. Can you can you break down this moment and yeah, it would not incriminate. And like I would try to say, no, so at the end of the day, you know, I had 10 K gold space had 10 K. That made the 20 K. Yeah. And the gag was, uh, the plan was to get a brick. Yeah. You know, I mean, uh, and at the time, um, you know, my pops had a connect, you got to call Uncle Joe. Uncle Joe. Yeah. Uncle Joe had to connect. And it's like, all right. So I decided to go down and meet Uncle Joe and talk to him about, about it. Um, yeah, we, we, we talked about getting to have break. You know, I mean, I was, I wasn't vegan then. So your brain was. Yeah. I was reading. I'm not, I probably knocked out like 17 chicken wings that night. Coke came as vegan. Yeah. But, but, but, but the paraphrase is a little, like I told you, to know I was a paraphrase and that, but the, the thing was, yo, I had a baby in the oven, or maybe he's just born, right? So life was like, what did you want to do? Yeah. And when you do negative shit, negative shit happened. Like, like, at this time, in a brick, a brick could get you straight, but this is like after I just want to trial. Right. Yeah. After dirty had got locked up, after we, we fucking tore this fucking Ohio town upside down. Oh, shit. Constantly making the fucking newspaper. Yeah. And it was like criminal activity was, was not only hurting you, it's hurting your community. Yeah. It's hurting your family. Yeah. It's a fucking really a big chain reaction of criminal activity. But yet money leaves you to want to do it, right? me money. So, so we, so we figured, oh, if we flip this 20, we could at least get 80. It's a nice come up. It's a nice come up, right? Um, but then I was like, nah, what, what happens where you go? No. And that single decision might be the most influential decision in music. That one decision spawns everything. So what happened? I get back to Staten Island. It reminds you, it's got to add this part to it, you know, go so I've already been shot. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, and, and, and, you know, in a way, he got shot based on, like, he say, took a bullet, like that. Like, I got, I got, I got fought in that. Really? I got fought, yeah, because I'm part of what's happening. I bought him here to this, to this thing. And shit, you know, man. So my man was got shot, you know, man. So it's just like, but we talk about doing it again. You know, I mean, you're feeling some sort of responsibility and almost killed to that. Yes. And then I'm taking this fucking walk in mind you. Like I said, I'm, I'm, I'm acquitted of a crime, right? I'm ready to have, I have a second chance. And so, and I have a child. So I'm walking and I'm thinking, yo, and, and, and I advise just to anybody, take long walks. Amen. Amen. I'm walking all set. I'm walking through standard. People, people thought there was, I learned, there's people thought I was losing my mind because I'm walking and I'm talking to myself. But I'm calculating. I'm thinking like, yo, that's, that's fucking, this man. No, no, no, I gotta do What up, yo, what up, yo, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I want you like this. Go ahead, live your life. I'm gonna go live my life, you know what I mean? I appreciate everything, getting the big hug, getting this 10, took my time. How did he react to that? He understood in a sense of like, give me always, like ghosts always looked at me as a big brother, you know what I mean? You know, he was a big brother of his family. Maybe he saw me as a big, a big brother, as well as his brother. Of course, you know what I mean? At one point his mother called me him. That's how much we lived together. So that was my, that is my brother, right? But yeah, he was like, okay, cool. And he might have went and kept doing what he was doing. But I kept on that journey, right? And it took maybe a month later, where I was like, I went and saw a man named Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith is, he was the father of my old manager, Mel Cwan. He's always like to play chess with me. And so I went over to play some chess with him and shit. And he was the one that started a company called Yamaka Records, where he signed Sir Abu and the divine force. And I also always see the records stacked up in his house, a little brownstone and Brooklyn on Parkside Avenue always. And they ran the company out of their brownstone. And so I was just like, I want to start a company. So that's where you're soaking up game and you're realizing I can do this as well. And it's not this unattainable thing where I need this office in Midtown. Right. I can do whatever the fuck I wait. He did it right there. And he gave me the advice he said, "Go see Mr. Bill Warren." So Bill Warren, people always say he's a lawyer, but he seemed like he could, like, like, was Bill Warren and he's in Hong Kong. Like, he was like, he was always serious. Very mysterious, his office, his office, now that he was fucking making me go back to Mr. Warren, his office in 70s street, without up in the upper 70s, was in a building at an apartment. Yeah. Go in, Mr. Wants, Chevy would, I never forget the little Chevy would, Japanese shit he had in there, you know what I mean? But I said, yeah, I want to start a company, I want to do this and then that, and I basically, the 10,000 went to form Wu-Tank production. So I formed Wu-Tank production. And at this point, do you know, I'm going to be producing everything, I'm going to be the architect of all this, do you know the talent that you want to bring into it? Or are you first going, this is just the brand, and we just need to start with one record. Yeah, the idea was to start with a record, start with a company, build a company, get an identity of the company. The logo was the identity of the company. So that was really just my business card. I mean, well, first it was, it was going to be some other shit, if you ever see the shit with the fucking head shit. But it was, but it became my business card. And then that same business card is the cover, but take your neck. I just went to one of those magnifying places where they picked the photography. He shot my business card and just blew it up. Oh, wow, that's my first fucking-- But the first inception was, what is the brand? Yeah, what is the brand? And I knew what the brand was because Wu-Tank was like, like, special to me in the sense of, it was the Illus Kung Fu movie of a sword. It was the Illus technique. Like the sword style was the best sword style. And I just used, like I said, the Bible, in the Bible, it said, "When Jesus comes in the last days, "out of his mouth came a double-edged sword." And he used it to smite the nations. And I was like, "Well, a sword out of his mouth." That's a crazy image. But your tongue is shaped like a sword. So I just took it out. That's a metaphor. And I was like, well, we got the Illus lyrics. And I already had a lot of different tapes from deck, math, all of us think, oh, it was kind of my crib and make tapes. So I said, let me form the company. And go and sign them to my record company and start producing music with them. Not me. The first one that signed was meh. Really? That's why I call them Wu-Blood the number one. Oh, wow. It was first. Yeah, he signed the contract first, yeah. And how long to get all the rest of the guys? I mean, not that long, like, you know, within six months, everybody was there, you know. Do you have to pitch them on this greater idea or they all try to get their own record deals at a time? Like, where are people in their lives? Yeah, everybody's trying to get a record deal. Everybody's dreaming. Got it. But me and Juzza have already touched the dream. Yes. Right? Juzza had an album outwards from Virginia. We were so proud of that. I had the Prince Joaquin, EP out. And it was like, so from their point of view, they end. They made it. They're in the system. So you had something validated, something qualified? Yeah. Um, now they have my own company was a whole another day. And it was like off the record, but on the record, we on the record. It was other people vying, too, like, like, because what happened, Shaheem was, was, you know, like Shaheem, his first lyrics came out of my rhyme book, you know, I mean, him, he's my little brother's best friend at that time. They were still my shit. And they go make demos. No way. Yeah. Until, of course, he started writing his own shit. Um, that's when he was like 12, right? But anyway, but Shaheem, he ends up signing the deal with Virgin Records to a whole another system. Hmm. Right. And I felt left behind on that one. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Because it was like, because I, you know, Shaheem was, like, you know, I thought he was one of us. He was one of us. But he was also, uh, being produced by a great producer who didn't, who, um, I just think he was a very underrated unsung producer named R&S out of Staples and projects. If it wasn't for R&S, I'm going to give him some credit here. I had the SP 1200. He had the EPS. The EPS is a keyboard. Got it. He had to go down south with, had to do something for the summer and go with his family. He let you hold it. He, he wanted to, he took the SP 12 because you could fit that in the trunk. You can't fit the keyboard with whatever way. And so he gave me the EPS. And so now, I'm like, okay, what's this shit? Yeah. And what it did, the SP 1200 was stuck with 10 seconds, 12 seconds of sample, right? 2.5 seconds per pad. The EPS had about maybe 20 some seconds, but it wasn't limited. You could use it. Otherwise on the SP 1200 and just so you guys could follow no matter what, you're never going to get more than 2.5 seconds to use at a time. So that's why we, we speed it up and then slow it back down. Yeah. On the EPS, you can use your entire 10 seconds at once. So it gave you a little more flexibility when you're flexible, you know what I mean? So if you, if you go back and think about Wu-Tang music a little bit, you'll notice the 2 bar, 4 bar phrases has come in versus the 1 bar phrase. And this is because of the limitations of production. Exactly. Oh, so production limitations influence the way that you guys are creating the music, but also creates a different sound that nobody's really hearing at the time. Exactly. And it's also, it's not the limiting in you or expanding you. Now, the other thing about the EPS was that now that I got the sample on a key, it spreads across the entire keyboard. So now I got 61 keys. Yeah. Oh, so now you can really play with the sample. Wow. Oh, shit. And you were like one of the first, you were stacking like 10 or 15 samples on one track. Exactly. Yeah. Most of the time it's just like one or two. And people are not saying, and because we're having a lot of producers are then making it for the, the SP 12 1 is a drum machine that samples. Right. The EPS is a piano. Yeah, that's it. The samples. Yeah. Am I, okay, am I going to? So anyway, I know we kind of did that. No, no, no, no. This is interesting because I don't want to like go too far here, but. Am I crazy to see your influence on Kanye's production and has, he said as much like in that way. And I said, yeah. Because to me, I see it and I see it like you taking these samples, especially the old samples that are done on the keys, taking these songs, chopping, speeding them up. And then I think you see a lot of that influence in Kanye, especially with the vocals. Yeah. So I respect the Kanye and another genius in our, in our art, his art and his fashion speaks for itself. But no, but he, you know, since, you know, I don't know, I try not to self-praise himself. That's what let me do it. Let me do it. Let me say this. Let me say this. Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering. They did an interview with him one year and said, who was your hero. And they asked him, what's the real stuff? Yeah. Wow. I was respect. And I look at him as a, as a brother, a good friend. Anytime he hits the phone and needs me, I'm there. I really respect him. But when the blueprint came out, I was impressed by that album. Yeah. You know, I may. Right? All the way. Yeah. Yeah. And so, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but I was pretty, the whole thing was pretty fuck y'all. You know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The time, the time, the time was moving and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, others were evolving. Mm-hmm. And when I heard the blueprint, I was like, okay, I think it was about it now. Really? And so, I called, I think Jay-Z was on hot 97 and I doubted up, well, now I was like, yo, I wanted to say, yo, congratulations, the city's, this, yeah, the city's right. And he was like, yo, I got the whole blueprint from you, man. Wow. Wow, man. So, wow. So, has there ever been a moment in your career where you, where the people you influence have not given you your flowers, because it seems like everybody gives it up. It's, it doesn't seem like there's an ego when it comes to you, like, I, I mean, it's, and back and forth, yo, the culture has been, has, has each one teach one. That's one of our lessons, right? Each one, teach one. So, if you were able to be someone that, you know, if you were the caveman that saw - You got to use a fire. - Yeah, you got to spread it. - Yeah. - Now, now, now, you can use a fire. They go, "Oh, this is going to make fire." Good. - Yeah. - Now, I'm more forgetful. How 'bout this? How 'bout a quill? Motherfuckin' shit. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - And put it on the pot and put some oil in there and say, "Oh, we can bake what it got." - Yeah. - But maybe I'm the first one to have all the two sticks together to make the fire. - Right. - But then, once it's there, others continue to build. And then for me, I got to say, "Molly Maul," right? "Molly Maul" was the guy that, yo, I used to fucking wait outside the radio station to try and see this guy. - How old are you at this time? - 13, 14, you know what I mean? Maybe even 15, 16, even up to that. I remember, so I said, "Oh, I know Molly Maul." Meet me at the Hoi Street stop on the A train. And, you know, he's going to be there. - That sounds like a setup, bro. - Well, me and Doney was right there. (all laughing) - Was he? - No. - I didn't meet Molly Maul, bro. Until, like, 94 or something. Still, like, years later, bro. Now, I met him before that. Actually, another way of Molly inspired me. was that I met him before that. When Roxanne Shantay was working on that album, I had a chance to meet her. So I'm 19 now. And Prince Roy came and just signed the deal. So eventually, they don't start making my song. But also people, people know that I'm a lyricist. They don't know I'm a producer. Nobody, you would know for rapping first. I'm not a, nobody want to let me make the beats. My, all my tracks besides, you know, I made the all we love you rock came track. But even then Prince Paul had to help me. Interesting. Right. So, so I'm with, they sent me the DR period, backspin, all the producers dice up town, um, ECMO B, ECMO B, ECMO B made my first B side on my single. It was it because you weren't able to do it at the time or they didn't trust you, they didn't trust you. And also, and, and, and maybe rightfully so, because my equipment was, was, was a full track with the turntable was, you know, just, you know, that's just like, okay, all the time. But, but I don't know, there was something maybe there was more authentic about it, maybe that cut through. Yeah, maybe production did feel a little bit different. Right. But at the time, you know, there's no, there's no proof. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. So, but anyway, um, we, we, we, um, we, um, lost the train, but at, at 19, known as a lyricist, I, I, I didn't, um, you know, waking, but I got a chance to meet Molly more than. And I went to his crib, uh, up in the, think, near the palisades. Yeah. And the dude had a SSL in his house. What's an SSL? So a SSL is the mixing board. It's the, it's the board. So it has all the, it's the board. It's the shit party at the time was $300,000. Oh my god. Okay. So he has a SSL in his crib. You see these in all the studios. So the barrier to entry, I think that's what a lot of like, especially like young people right now making music, the barrier to entry to making music back in the day was financial. Oh, financial. To even getting studio time was probably crazy. It's still crazy. But a SSL with a two, with a two inch 24 track real to real, Molly, Molly had that in his house. It was called the Molly house of hits. And he had a radio line already connected to his system. So he could broadcast directly from his house. Yeah. This is, he had that shit back like 91, 92. Wow. Right. So, so I saw that, I saw the SSL in his crib. I saw this with the whole studio in his fucking house, well. And so that's what I did. Yeah. I mean, as soon as I, you know, I had a Mackie. So Mackie is like two grand. It's a mix and all you know, the fish surprises. Yeah, exactly. But eventually, of course, I got a SSL. I mean, I bought a million dollar SSL when I made it, but I was like, get it SSL. So you knew that producing was the, was the key. You knew that that was the stronghold for the business. Yeah. And I heard, I said this with you, but I heard, overheard somebody was like, yo, saw, saw and tub was making beats now. Right. I think my, my manager, Mel Kwan, he, because you know, he knows everything, right? The face, he's the one that's in. I'm trying to get in. I said, wow. So yeah, they, they paid a 35 grand to make a track. I said, 35. Wow. So yeah, it says when you go platinum, you could charge that. I was like, I got to go platinum. You know, I mean, and yo, I went platinum. Yeah. Yeah. Where was the place that you would go dig for samples anywhere? But of course, in the village, there was a, what's that story right there on Forfe and Broadway? Well, Tower was on. Well, Tower was for like, if you want to, I mean, well, Tower had the jazz. That was like, yeah. Yeah. But not forfe and Broadway. Um, sixth avenue. Oh, that's, that's a, uh, little record. That's what village records. Isn't that on sixth and, uh, bleaker and bleaker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So now he was, now he was smart, right? You going there to buy a record, bro? Like they had, like he had James Brown, Black Caesar, which is an album you want to get that. And I never got a chance to really make a track off that down in our New York City. But I always wanted to. But he was selling that set for a hundred dollars. Oh, because he knew what it. Yeah. Like, like he had, he had the big samples in there. A hundred dollars, boy. You know, I mean, because he knows if you're going to use this, you're going to go make a song. You start to be for 35 grand. Yeah. Wow. So he was jacking prices up like that. So in, uh, yeah. You're an interesting one because I don't know if anybody teaches you anything. You kind of just observe and then execute. Respect. Um, of course people teach you. Yeah. I love. I love. I'm not shy to learn from, from, from, from, from, I'm going to learn from you today, bro. I don't know about that. I'm just waiting to offer you. Hey, hey, you're timing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got the timing. The guy's on timing. Yeah. My time is going to be different next time. Yeah. But is that like, is that your process really just kind of like constantly absorbing? Yeah. I think, I think that's what the artist is supposed to do. We ingest to do the digest. Yeah. If you don't ingest, what you're going to dodge. I do. I think that's, that's at least that's my theory in terms of like taking time off from creating sometimes. Like you got to live, live a little if you want to share something with the world. Exactly. And then what I do, um, I like, uh, because of my, whatever that is in my brain, that there's keep bong bonging. If I don't take time off, I shift disciplines. Interesting. So it's like, okay, well, because I need to take time off of this thing. Exactly. I was going like, like, like, like, like, I'm like, I'm writing the script right now. Or supposed to be right in this. I was writing the 30 days, bro. Yeah. But, but, but I got this beat machine. I've been carrying with me, uh, sprite sense, um, this, this little weird beat machine. It's cool, though. And I just been playing with that every day as my past time, um, while I'm promoting the film. Yeah. So went out, but so by the time I finished getting out of this, I, and seeing the shit I see, and I don't probably been to six cities and fucking four days. Yeah. Yeah. But I'll get him when I sit down the lyrics for this, for these characters, a flow out announcements. Denver. We have added another show. It's going to be on Sunday. I think seven, 15. I believe those tickets are on sale literally this morning. So go get them right now. If they're available, then I'm going to be out with jelly roll Los Angeles Netflix is a joke festival. The Greek theater, we just added a bunch of great comics on that show as well. Salt Lake City. You're sold out. You guys have been asking for us to add shows. I will get back to you on that. Then we're going to be Virginia Beach June 5th through the 6th. Then we're going to be in Halifax Nova Scotia. The Andrew shows.com for all those tickets. We should be adding some more dates soon. Thank you guys so much. Tampa for great shows. That was amazing. Love y'all. Yes. Tampa was amazing. I also want to thank the good people in Providence, Rhode Island. That came out to the show. We had a wonderful time. If you were in Plano, Texas, Chandler, Arizona, Pasadena, California, San Diego or Detroit, at the end of the year, I'll be coming to you doing one singular hour stand-up comedy. Come on out. Take a photo, shake my hand and have a great time. Alex, what's up? Thank you guys. I'm throwing a tennis series this summer. There's three dates. Just head over to all love racket club on Instagram. I got the link there. We got music, food, free giveaways, a lot of tennis. It's going to be some fun stuff. What do you think is the thing in you that you're not scared to just try something new? Because starting the business, even going from streets to music to film? I mean, at the end of the day is you. Who's going to stop you from being you? What you never get scared is like, oh shit, I don't know how to do this thing. And then you just like no fear failure. No, because I mean, I don't feel failure. I'll say this to you, I believe the success is complete in the task. To achieve the goal, that's the success. Whatever happens after that is whatever. You can't control that. What about like interest that you took up? Were you ever afraid of being bullied or, you know, like seen as weird when you're young, being into all these kung fu movies or like reading Eastern philosophy or Islam? Are you afraid to be like, oh, what do you? What is this thing? Playing chess. Yeah. Yeah. I might have a, I might not know at all, but my high school girlfriend told me this. She had a chance to like, bring me back all my fucking letters. She said, oh wow. Yeah, just, you know, it's just a time and she's just like trying to get back in. She totally, totally a sister. No, of course. I'm mad at my wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's time. No, it was a, well, it was, it was, it was, it was a given memory of myself because I wrote a letter that was very egotistical, conceded, foresighted, uh, opinion of what life is going to be for her, and what life's going to be for me. And it's, are you right? And, and, and uh, no, she, she turned out well, but, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, for the point of it was that, I need to say that my conceit and conceded, confidence was almost at a level of naïveness. It can blind you sometime. But that energy meant that that is what I am and I can do. So there's a lesson when you study the mathematics, right, and you know, the mathematics can be controversial to some people. But this is the 5% or? Yeah, the 5% mathematics. The first question, right, it says who is the original man and then it answers the question. It says the original man is the asiatic black man, the maker, the owner, the cream of the planet earth, the father of civilization, the god of the universe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's the first question, bro. Yeah. And you got to memorize that. So now you're walking around. Wait a minute. That's me. And then later on there's a, you know, so later on there's another lesson that says this question is crazy, not crazy, crazy, like crazy, like we know Mike, but crazy in a sense of okay, but the question says, why do we let, why do we let a half original man, like Christopher Columbus, discover the poor part of the planet earth, and it says because the original black man is God and owner of the earth and knowing every square inch he chose for himself the best part. He didn't care about the poor part. Now take that into consideration. You got to choose for yourself the best part. And once you choose that best part, you can't care about the poor part. And where's the true best part where wherever you stand, but where you stand. And so with that confidence in me, I got that when I was 11. Oh, wow. So that's deep. Yeah. So now I'm 16. Yeah. I'm like, don't write a letter like if you don't choose up, if you don't break, if you break up with me, you move to the poor part, and the best part is going to be by so, so going back to your question is like, with that type of confidence in me, right? And no doubt, it's probably what we said that too. So probably what I was like 14, and you know, he's always drink vodka. Everything he said made fucking sense. Okay. I was saying that one day had a cold, I just kept sniffing it up, but you know, he said, not let it run, he's trying to get it out there, he's trying to come out, I'm sorry, you right? It's no God. He said, it was something, something shootout said, he said, man, a lot of, a lot of niggas die from the sound, you know, man, so niggas, they'd be scared. Right? He said, when you, when you sit and shoot and go, do the knowledge first, don't fucking let the sound scare you. Right? People were running and I was like, hey, yo, he said that to me, trust me. And would you believe like two years later, I'm in a club. Okay. Right? And so I go off. You start doing the knowledge. Yo, and I didn't know, I said, I said, I said, well, I'm moving, no, they do not. Bam, I saw the niggas fall. No, no, no, no. I'm not exactly. You took them out. No, no. I still. The knowledge rickies. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't see what was shooting. But I tell you this, bro, when they have bullet hit them, the face he made, the impact of that bullet while he was running, yeah, unforgettable. Wow. It's almost like a vibration came off this motherfucker's face, bro. Then he hit the fucking floor. What? Then after that, one, two, three, four, five, six, because you should count the seven sometimes. Six, seven, okay, four. Why? Why it counts? Because we need, we need to secure the camera, but shoot out. Everybody's running. It's just a few dudes, like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, four, seven, yeah. Because you should try to do things within a pace of seven breaths. You should think seven times. You know what I'm saying? You can think, you actually can't think seven times before you respond. That's how fast the mind moves. But more the fuckers is going off the impulse, off the fear, right? So, the punch time I was trying to get to, I digress by going to the running nose and to the shooting. But other than Pablo said, was, hey, yo, God, don't let doubt enter you. That's what old Dirty says it on the song, war high. He always, Pablo, when you were talking to me, Dirty, 12 o'clock, you know, the young guys. He was the older guy. I'm saying, and he would say, yo, God, don't never let doubt into your mind. God doubt stops you. And so, so I entered a lot of these arenas without doubt. And Dirty says it on the song, war high. He goes, I never let doubt into my mind, because I know when I touch the mic, there's the rhyme. I was like, this is it, bro, flow. And so that's been my personality with so many things. As you get old, of course, pure nature, life, experiences, failures, right? Like, don't be like, I don't have failures, you know what I mean? But my failure is that failure. It's like, like, we were talking about chess earlier. Like, I played a lot of chess because you could die a thousand times on the chess board. Did it? Okay. So what? Play again. Yeah. Just make sure that don't happen in life. Yeah, anyway. I just love this idea of like, don't let Dow creep in and like the confidence in the power of confidence. There was this thing with who I felt and not even was still is. Is it like, it just felt like you guys had decided that you were the best at rapping. And nobody else decided it. And you guys didn't. And then everybody else was like, yeah, I think they might be the best at rapping. It's like, you can almost, you can almost like, who's confidence into reality. And yo, listen, hold on now, if you go pal for pal and you write out our lyrics, you might find out we were right. No, I'm not saying you're wrong. I know, I know. But like, it's like, you guys believed it. It manifested for you. It manifested into reality. Right, right. And then it just became this thing where it was, it was almost like people who were hip-hop heads, took on who is as part of their own identity. Like if you fucked with Wu Tang, it was a way where you could communicate like, yeah, I like real hip-hop. I like real rap. Right, right. Opposed to, I don't know, maybe there's some mainstream. I mean, that way. Right. You should have told plenty of people. But it's like, yeah. And I always wondered where that ethos came from. But it's got to come from you guys believing it. Yeah. And if it looks like there's fractures in the belief, why was someone else believed? Exactly. That's true. I felt you were the best who in the group was the best of the best. But that's good because it interchanged. Oh, so even to you, it interchanged? Yeah. We talked about that. At one point, yo, like, like, first of all, the jizzle was the best. That's right. That's who I always thought you thought lyrically was, okay. But then as time went on, somebody else could sit in that seat, right, or somebody could say something that year. Like who? Like, no. One point killer police was the best. Mm-hmm. You know, killer police did? No. Right? But he's one of us, right? At one point killer police, he was like killer police is the eldest nigga. What was the song? What was the. He fucking wrote, when he wrote that heavy mental album, and he had to sit almost there. But what happened was he, you may know him from the jizzle album, he's on that song Bible. Basic instructions. Yeah. Before leaving. Before leaving. Yeah. Right. And so jizzles, he's a jizzler student as well. So killer police, me and master killer, all students are the jizzle, and the dirty became my student. And the rest of the woo brothers look at us, me, dirty and jizzle, as the three elders. The cypals. The three elders. Yeah. And then they pick it for me. But then when Ghost became the best, y'all. Yeah. No, seriously. No, I just. Ghost became the best. And it was my job. Yeah. Like, like, were they, like, like, like, like, Ray, like from 2000 and fucking four or five or something? Like, when he started doing a purple tape part two, or we, what about what? Well, part one, it was Ghost said just like, fucking like, who the fuck is this guy? Like, though, I remember dirty said it, dirty was like, yo, Ghost is the best now. Now, is there, you go between the guys, or is there, like, is there this, like, camaraderie where you just kind of accept this martial artist as the nicest at this point in time? I mean, you may feel differently, you know what I mean? So, but it's never, you know, if you feel that way, what you're going to do? You're going to go right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, whose nose killing it right now? To me, almost like 20 bars back to back, Mep. Yeah, Mep. Mep is gone crazy. Yeah, that's nasty. What the fuck? Nothing's like he's left him. - Yeah, fucking he was coming across. - He went through superhero on a mic in the gym, on the front of the camera. - Yeah. - And it's like, at one point, you know, he was always, he was nice. - He was always, like trust me, when we first came in, like every one of them had something from me sitting here as the Abbott, that was the best in that field and the best technique that adds to the wall, you know what I mean? It's like, I knew Goulson Ray was street niggas and all the street niggas is fucking with these niggas, for real, and not no facade. - Real. - Yeah, yeah. - Like trust me. - Yeah, these are the, these are the high school drop-out felons that's about to fucking make a record. - Yeah, with the talent to do it, you know what I mean? - Right, and you knew Mepke crossover. - You knew Mepke was gonna be mainstreaming. - And also, I felt that, even though as he got, as time changed, I think he, he's less flowing than he used to, now he's kind of patterning his, like he kind of has a pattern that he may have used 10 times in a row. But in the beginning, I said nobody in the industry flows like Mepke, Mepke and Mepke flows, I mean that, in fact, if you go back and check Mepke and Mepke flows, you could find 10 other successful rappers that are taking that one flow. - And it made it their entire. - Their entire flow. - Okay, okay, when you guys say, you said this earlier about like, it's important to pass it on. Like, you make the fire and you go do that. When you guys are talking amongst yourselves, are you going, man, look, we birthed all these dudes. Like, are you seeing your influence in music? Not just music, but like, especially in music. And is there like a pride in it? Or is there a part where like, oh, they're biting? There's some sharks out there. - I mean, in the '90s, it was probably, we probably reacted more like, biting. - Yeah, it's cool, it goes 'cause I want a nigga sound like me. Or no album. - Yeah. (laughing) - Not a man, yeah. - But then as we evolve, it's also like, we actually, I think we actually appreciate the culture, the other heroes, and even admire them now. Which is, seriously, it's a beautiful thing, bro, to get out of your own way. - Bro, yes. - Yes. - You know, it's hard for creatives. - Yeah, but beautiful, because it's just like, you know, it's like Mike Tyson, right? Of course, he was the champion of my generation. Like one of the, like, come on, Mike Tyson, come on. - Right. But Muhammad Ali's generation is like, no, Muhammad Ali. - Every generation's gonna have their own and not exactly. - They're kids that grow up with LeBron. - Exactly. - They've never watched Jordan play. - Exactly. - And we're arguing with them. - Yeah. - But why would we? - Exactly. - They only know LeBron. - Exactly. - And now, the beauty of it all, though, is that there's a hall of fame. - Yes. - Right? - And it ain't one person in that hall of fame. - It's hundreds of people. - Right. - So would you just got inducted into it? - Yes, we got inducted. - Yeah, congratulations, brother. - Thank you, thank you. - Can I ask you a story about ODB? This is what I heard from Joe Rogan. He references this. - Recently? - Yeah, yeah. I saw a clip of it and I didn't hear the whole story. So I'm so curious. He is incarcerated writers for a period of time. And then you and the rest of the squad go to visit him. And what happens in that visit? - Well, they let us in. - They let Wu Tain perform in Wikers, bro. - Oh, okay, you perform straight up. But do you have to, like, petition the city? - Tell us the whole story. - I don't know, I'm a guy who did the business. I think Muk, my cousin Muk, he was walked on the management team. He might have been the one that kept working his hand to get it done. But Dirty was locked up, bro. And I know who came with the idea, 'cause it wasn't me. But it was like, yo, this go and visit, this go perform in Wikers. We can't perform in Wikers with ODB. Like, like, in jail. They're gonna let them come. And Wu Tain is gonna perform in Wikers Island, bro. - You know, that's great. - No, but the funny part is. - I don't know if you could be in prison going, "Oh, baby, I like it wrong." (all laughing) (all laughing) - This guy is good. (all laughing) - I know it's so crazy. Dirty went in there, vegan. - No. - When I came in, we kind of there. And he was like, "Lunch." He was like, "Yeah, two hours, bro." (all laughing) And he was like, "Yo, God, fuck, Dirty. "Should you guys eat meat?" And this motherfucker tried it. (all laughing) "Should you guys eat meat?" And this motherfucker. (all laughing) - Yeah, that's like-- - So you guys show up, and is it planned that there's gonna be a concert? - Yeah, yo, yo, seriously. Like they had it set up, bro. They let the guys out, they should. They let the prisoners get their little location. - Yeah. - They got the rule, they had-- - Wasn't the Grace House system. - Right, this is the-- (all laughing) - This is the producer talking. - Yeah, that was all right. - Wasn't the Grace House system, it should've been like, this is-- But yo, no, but we did that for him. With him, for him, and for Vikers, bro. Which is crazy. And how it's like, it's so many things that's kind of like, I wanna say a blur, but like, bringing that up is like, that kind of don't make sense. It sounds crazy to me. - Yeah, and there was no-- - Yeah. - At this phase, it's like, like, wow. The, the, the, the, the, what I would call it. Our commodity, our brotherhood. Our, single focus awareness. Like I'm gonna say, the single, like, like, it's our world. We're moving in our world, we call this our the world. How do you get so many people to get on board with one vision? Like, that was, we, we, that was, we, you know, we gave our word on that. - You know what I mean? - Did it help that you guys had relationships prior? - Yeah. - That it wasn't just an art thing, because sometimes people can be looking for opportunity in art, not just art, but just any kind of like entertainment. So, maybe the relationship isn't as strong as you think it is because it's actually more opportunistic. - This is literally family. - You guys were actually-- - Yeah. - I'm, I'm mothers knew each other. - Yeah. - You know, I mean, I'm mothers knew each other. Some dudes, first blunt, is that Capodon is house. His mom's that don't smoke it. And I took a talk about Miss Linda like that. (laughing) My mom's name was Linda Tudor, right? (laughing) But I'm just saying. - Could be anyone in the, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But you know, it's just like, what she said, she rather than happened there, where she could see them and then rather somewhere in the streets. - I think Miss Dell, you know, my mom's like, like Dex said, you know, they kind of my crib and you can make these, you can make these demos and you can turn the music up and you could get that music out. That was our, some of us our childhood, young adult, like me and Rayquan's in the third grade together, well, crazy. - So it was just like, it was, and it was in, not only me in the third grade together, he was my best friend. Like you know what I mean? It was in the third grade, like some kid over there that I remember from the third grade. No, we walked home from fucking school. Let me fucking day, you know what I mean? Before this shit happens. And then, what I'm gonna show you on that, then I move Brooklyn, and shit, I go to a fucking, I'm like 11, 12, go to a weak spot. That's how I was back then. - He's working in there in Brooklyn. (laughing) - Oh shit, oh shit, like a reunion. - Yeah, that's how the Wu life is like that. It was so connected, but I think it starts from my mother, you got mother, and my mom's like, you guys, you know, when you was in Howard, I was living in Howard, my mother was living right there. I was like, oh, why are you? So my mother's, and my mother's had history and vibes. And so, when we came together, it was another layer. Now, some of us, not that, like, 'cause Memphis from Long Island, yeah. But still, he moved to Staten Island at 14. - Got it. - So now, in two years, he's in it, yeah. - Well, yeah. - But you moved to Brooklyn, and then you moved back to Staten Island? - I've been back and forth between Brooklyn and Staten Island. I'm born in Brooklyn. FYI, I have King's County Hospital. - Of course, right? - Of course. - All of us. - But, at that time, it's got better. - It's got better, yeah, it's got time. - Yeah, shit. Brownsville, baby, you know what I mean? Basically, when my grandmother always lived in Staten Island. So, - So you're there on the weekends? - They're on the weekends. Oh, damn, because, you know, man, let me say one thing about my family, bro. Before I was 20, I lived in a 21 different locations. - Wow. - Yeah. - That's us, bro. And it was always like, you know, like, Orlando and those kids back on the streets again. - Really? - Yeah, because it was tough. Yeah, it was tough, you know what I'm saying? So, but, that's New York. It was always something, like, "Oh, one mother just got a new apartment." She sent us down south until she got herself together. - Right. - Okay, now she's bringing us back. Mind you, it's like, it's already five of us. It's a two bedroom. - Yeah. - Right, now it's six, right? Another six kids. So now, we come back, we're happy to come back home. Somebody, y'all know of my little brother. Somebody set the mattress on fire. - Hell, brother, the fucking thing. - Back down south. - Back down south. - Back to stand out with grandma. Didn't all say, oh, you got another place where you live on 169 Cooper Street. Fucking, that's the LL train, the Wilson Avenue. Bro, that's a long ride, bro. - How did you guys had a, you were 111 out of 11? - Yeah, 111 out of 11. Where does somebody with a levy? and kids in New York City live. - Wherever they can, bro. - No, listen to it. It's, yo, when ghosts, like when ghosts vote the song, 'cause ghosts, so ghosts, I think he's one of five or six. Dirty is one of seven. Dirty parents, let's talk about New York. They're both city workers as far as transiting mothers and I'm a one off officer. So they got Christmas toys. (laughing) - Oh, sir. (laughing) Ghost house is single mother. My house is mostly single mother. My father moved away when I was three. Then my stepfather moved in, but then he goes to jail. So it's that, my dynamic is that. So my mother is a single mother. And when we say a ghost said four in the bed, two at the front, two at the head, yeah, that's my house right there. - Wow. - Wow, man. It's like, yo, two, you wake up. - Somebody told me to go. (laughing) - I think just, you just think about like, people isn't a watch right now. They might go, okay, if you have a house, you can find different places to put people. When you're in an apartment. - Yeah. - I'm gonna give you one more of those. I'm gonna go poverty porn here. (laughing) - But bro, at one point, 19 people, two bedroom apartment, bro. - No way. - Check this out. - Yeah. - And you're not even Mexican. (laughing) - You know what's your baddest? You ever seen those moving blankets? - Yeah. - You gotta make a pile. - No way. - No man. - And yo, no going to school. And I got a girlfriend. (laughing) Like this is, I'm like-- - You can bring her over? - No. Everything I did was timed. Like, I know like if I leave school early, get there too. Nobody's gonna be at the house. - Zangling. - But you gotta get her out before 3.30 when the rest of the kids are back. - Is that, bro. - Wow. - It was a, with every, yeah. I didn't have a nickel for the bus, bro. I had the bus pass and no nickel. (laughing) - I'm not making this up, bro. - Oh my God. - But you know what happens though? I walk this, oh this is high school. - Why could they give you the half fare? - They gave you the, no. Half fare was not bad. I had the nickel pass. It's even better than a half fare. All you gotta do is pay a nickel. - But you didn't even have the nickel. - But when I was a kid, I had a bus pass where you could just go whatever. It was like they gave you the school bus pass, bro. - Yeah, but you got the pay 45 cents. - No, it was totally free. - Yeah, and the white school they just give you the whole share. That's crazy. There you go. - Motherfucker, no. - I got the half fare. - That's crazy. - So that's an half original man, right? (laughing) - Yeah. - Discovering the poor part of the house. - You let 'em do it. (laughing) No, the pass was based on how close you lived to the school. So we lived downtown, but I went to Wagner Middle School. - Okay. - Wagner's on 76, but we lived downtown. So I think it was far enough where you got the full, but that's the full of the train. - For the subway, yeah, but you can use it for the bus too. - For the bus, you know what's that? And Alan, looks like Alan don't really got a train system like that. - So they just make you use it. - And they make you pay a nickel. - Pay a nickel. - You got pay a nickel. - The bus driver ever did not let you on for it. - Bro, some days I got on because I put my hand over that motherfucker. (laughing) - Kicking the kid off the bus for not having a nickel. - They kicked me and my little brother, my little brother always tell me this story. 'Cause this happened in Brooklyn though. So Dirty House was, he lived in Lyndon Plaza. So now I move back to Brownsville. I'm living in Van Dyke Projects, right? Which is tough, that's it right there. And this is the eighth grade though. So like I said, I live 21 places, bro. - Yeah. - I've been to, I can, if I go through the list of schools, I've been to, you know what I mean? Most people go to, you go to three schools. You go to elementary, middle high school, done. - Yeah, no, bro. - You went to 20. - Not 20 schools, but I went to a lot of schools. I went to, for elementary, I went one, two, three, five. - Jesus. - For, for junior high, only did two in junior high, 'cause junior high was a short stretch, but I did IS-61 on Staten Island. And then I went to 275 in Brooklyn, which is on Rockaway and Hague, man. Listen. - How is that, is that by you? - No, no, that's your rockaway boba. - You know where Amboy and all that shit is? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's just like, it's just like, like, like the MoP, those are real, they're real. Like that neighborhood, those are my homies back. In that day, you 13 years over the dude, you hanging with in the eighth grade, he's 16. (all laughing) You know what I'm saying? - I think he did a middle school. - Yeah, he was 16 in the middle school, y'all. And that school had a fucking-- - It's driving you to middle school. (all laughing) - Yo, that school had a fucking, uh, bro. It had like another, like a mental health wing. Like a mental impaired wing. - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah. - They put the re-reason up. - Yeah, you want to be bad, they should do like that. - Oh, they would do close, they'd do it. (all laughing) - This is below, right? (all laughing) - That's not a good idea. (all laughing) - You had a few trickle into your life. - You're dealing with a lot of different problems, bro. (all laughing) - Anyway, but anyway, just get out of that shit, yo. (all laughing) - What happened? - What happened? That's the idea, though. - In which way? - I didn't know what happened when they were mixing the classrooms. - No type of shit, bro. When you're dealing with-- First of all, you're dealing with-- First of all, that school, the school, trust me, that school was like, it was dangerous, man. Okay? And maybe I was, you know, I was naive, but part of the fucking danger. At the end of the day, right? You wanna with, you know, you wanna with the, with the, with the, but yo, like, like, like, students from that school, you know, they made the paper. - Yeah. - Yeah, man, and not in a good way. - Yeah. - You know, man, you know, like, like so on, shoot the head, shoot the head, death hit, death hit, death hit, death hit. So, so it's two things that's happening. One, you're dealing with poverty and oppression in communities. Two, you're dealing with now taking these communities, this, this, this, this, and you're stuffing all this fucking energy in one place. - Mm-hmm. - You got some motherfuckers that ain't playing with a full deck. They up in there, too. - Yeah. You got girls that's up in there, too. They, they, they, they, they, they loose and, and it's too much shit, bro. - Yeah. - And then you got teachers that don't care. I did have one teacher that did care, right? That's who that care, but this one teacher, I never forget, I forgot his name, but I won't forget his, his, his, his moment. I was scientifically advanced, right? My ideas about science was like, shh, you know what I mean? And they, they, they want, they, they wanted to send me to Stuyverson. - Oh wow. - Yeah. It's like, I was there for anybody who's not from New York City. Stuyverson is like the elite of elite schools in the city that you have to test into. - Yeah. - I mean, I mean, I didn't get close. - Yeah, I mean, yeah. - There's Stuyverson, then there's Brooklyn, Second, and Bronx Science, yeah. And those are the three, like, most elite educations you can get in the city outside of going to some fancy private school. And even a fancy private school, I don't know if the education's going to be as like competitive as a society. - It's that, yeah. And, and, and, but I just started playing hooky. - Hmm. - Really? - Yeah. - Started playing. - So the teacher sees you and he's like, all right, this kid is, is actually really sharp. We have to do something to harness this energy. We got to get him out of here, because there's a direction he can go over there. - And then, and then my drama teacher, I'll do them his name, Mr. Greenberg, he realized that I had this type of, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the thugs was, was listening to me. - Oh, so you had, like, a leadership call? - Yeah, the, I'm the skinny dude, got the, all the big motherfuckers, fucking with him. - Right. And so he realized that, he's like, they keep gravity, but I was, I was kind of, my knowledge was, was, was ahead, you know what I mean? - So does he pull your side and say something? - Yeah. He's like, okay, I want you guys to perform at the school, uh, at the school play, you know, whether the big school performance is here, right, and, you know, I'm a pass order y'all basically. You guys do this. And my fuckers, he says, and I want you to kind of lead it, right? So I get the team together, right, and I put together, um, uh, I did that we're going to do like a tweet, we're going to be preachers, and we're going to do a sermon, and we're going to do all this shit, right? And, uh, and it's, it's kind of cool, and we do it for the teacher, and we rehearse it. And he's like, you know, he's like, you, um, yeah, it's, it's going to work. The day of nobody shows up. Yeah. But he's a, he's a duck, but they're not getting on that stage, well, that's how like the fear of talking to public is greater than the feel of shooting people and shooting people. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that great, you know, what happens is that, but it's what I learned from this is great. So wait, do you still do it though? Well, no. Check it out. That's why I learned. I get there. And it's a slot. And Mr. Greenberg is like, I'm like, nobody's here. He's like, what, go do it yourself. Hmm. I'm like, he says, go do it yourself and he walks away and the slot is coming. Like, it's like 20 minutes to the slide. And I'm like, I don't even put a fuck in here. Like, I'm thinking about it. And then, I go sit in the fucking audience, bro. - Wow. - And when the time comes, that's what happens. The curtain opens and fucking Mr. Greenberg is there by itself. And he pissed on the fucking greatest improvisation I've ever seen in my fucking life. He's using different voices. He's doing all types of shit, bro. I mean, blowing my fucking brain, and I was like, holy shit. And I learned from that moment that, Joe, bro, just do it. - Just do it. - Wow. - Just do it. - No doubt. - I left school. I never went back to that school. - After that moment, or what? - After that moment, bro. - Why? - Because there's a light towards the spring that gets closer to some of fuck school. - Right. (laughing) - I'm just saying. - I can't learn this. - Yeah. (laughing) - The way you just said it. - I heard something. I got going to 42nd Street, shit in the fucking theater. Then they started, then you get arrested. - Right. - Back in those days, there was a rest in my fucking. Me and Dirty was in the back of Truin Van's weekly, bro. - Yeah. - Hmm. (laughing) - 47. - Still, I don't know what the fuck. - You think about this shit. - Yeah, bro. - I gotta think about it. - Where the fuck is the system that, right? I mean, I guess the system is that. The system is penal, the system is more penal then. - Yes. - Yeah, that's what it is. - It's not trying to create an opportunity or it's penal. - Yeah. - So anyway, but yeah, I know how we got to it as shit. We going out somewhere else. - So what do you do? So you leave school, you don't know that? - I leave school. - Do you leave out of like guilt or shame or do you leave just out of it? - Well, interesting. So you did feel-- - No, I felt fucked up. That I, I felt fucked up that I didn't stand up for the moment. I felt even more fucked up, but yet I was inspired that, wait, 'cause I never even seen my teacher do this shit, bro. - So you saw a different side of him. - Yeah. In fact, he always said, like his claim to front fame, was that he was invited. I don't know if it was the Grammys or the Oscars, but he did something that he got an invitation to California. Whatever that was. And that was like his claim to fame. He's a Brooklyn school teacher, white man, green eyes. The kind of looked like, kind of had a little bit of oversized hack men and a little jean. - A little jean, yeah. - A little jean hack men and a little shit. Mr. Greenberg, and you know, we don't believe this story. - Yeah. - Yeah, I've been, he's an English teacher and a drama teacher. - Right. - But when he did that, I believed him. - Yeah. Did he do a rendition of like your play or he just frees out? - Yo, he just frees out, bro. He did voices. He did abit costello shit. Yo, this dude was good, bro. He was killing it. I'm telling, I was like, holy shit. But then, like I said, I kind of whip it out of there. Then go about the class. I was smoking weed already by then anyway. So let's know that, which was sad. I don't smoke weed now, thank you. But I was, you know, just ran with my man, the scientific, shout out the scientific. Let's do a scientific, yo. It's another guy who taught me something. Tell you where he taught me. So now, this is like all the same, like last two months of that of me being in this school. I'm getting out of here, okay? I'm leaving. - Yeah. - But scientific, he never come to school anyway. But it's me and him, another brother, a general born and some other brothers and shit. And, you know, we who we are. But nobody's really coming to school that much but me, right? And then this is big giant motherfucker, bro. Dad, I don't know how I got into a beef with this nigga, bro. But his nigga had it out for me. He had to be 17, bro. Or I'll go from the special ass side of something. Bro, this dude, bro, this dude, you know what I mean? I did not have the confidence to fight this dude. You know, I mean, I'm 12, going on 13, right? 13, whatever, going on 14 maybe. Whatever, whatever. I didn't have it. - I was 20, 17, bro. You're not funny, man. - And he was, yo, and his physical appearance, you know what I mean? Like some dudes like, yo, they look like it. - Yeah. (laughing) - He got the size and he got the fucking look. - Yeah. - And he just was like, yo, after school, you know what I mean? He's going to do me a shit. And, yeah, I had to duck out early that day, you know what I mean? And when I did, I ducked out. I went to my man's scientific neighborhood. His scientific was selling weed and all that. So he was already slinging. And I caught up with him and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yo, yo, yo, yo, this, yo, you know, in fact, no. I caught up with him and I didn't tell him. Somebody else told him. - Oh, then you had to fight and then you weren't there. - Yeah. - So you pull up with scientific, scientific, scientific is like, yo, why aren't you? - Yeah, so I'm like this, right? Scientific is up here to me at the time. He's like Joe Pesky type shit. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. The giant dude is up here, okay? And scientific comes to school. He'll never come to school. He comes to school the next day, well. And comes to my class and everything. And then, you know, coming to class, we get out of the class. And he's like, hold on, who was it? I said, oh, oh him? Yeah, come on. Walked over, crammed this motherfucker by the collar, brought him smack him twice, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you ever fuck with Rocky? My name was Rocky him then. You ever fuck with Rocky him again, yo? - You know, you know, he my son. That's my son. - Whoa, yeah. (laughing) - I think I was inspired like a motherfucker. Like that was the day the good life moment for real, yo. And I took he to that. Like two days one is great to have somebody that's championed with you. - Oh hell yeah. Nobody takes over nothing, you know, no general, no king takes over the country without good generals. No general takes over without good soldiers. So that's vital. And then you got to know when to be the general, when to be the soldier, you know what I mean? I was a general at that time too, because yo, he just did that for me. No reward, no return. He just don't fuck with him. Yo, somebody just told me this the other day. - Wow. - Okay, I'm gonna shout you out. What's up Ellis? So Ellis, he's a method man's manager. He just told me a story that he never told me. He's proud of what's being in the rock and the wall of fame. And he just told me about some shit that was going down in the hood back in the day, where, you know, some dudes had it out for me. It was just a neighborhood of what shit. But he told them not, they came to get him to join the fight. - Against you. - Yeah. And he told them not. - Matthew or Ellis? - Ellis. - Ellis said no, I'm not doing it. - He said no, that guy especially was going to be a star. - Maybe 18, maybe 17, 18. So this beef is potentially very dangerous beef. - Yeah, at that time, yeah. - Wow. - And he just told me that. He just said, he never said it with me. He just said, it's with me like, after the rock and roll, whole of fame. We're now some men. - Hmm. - I'm gonna tell you something, I told you. - Yeah. - Basically. - Like he saw that, he saw that I was trying. I was striving. And I had, I had an energy, you know what I mean? So I think that's one of my blessings in life is that sometimes there's always one amongst you that is the Noah. He's the one. He's the one that could build the ark. He's the one that could guide you out, you know what I mean? And not just putting it all on myself. I think me and my brother, Devon, would be kind of like, we become our, we become the Moses and Aaron of our community. We become that Moses and Aaron that's able to, if you look at Wu, there's a lot of people that comes out. And it ain't like two, you know what I mean? It's, it's, it ain't even just the 10, right? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's hundreds of reality. But even on the artist side, you start going to Sons of Men, Royal Youth Fam, Killer Army, Black Knights, North Star, cream team, um, um, I could keep going. TMF, you know what I mean? Like, you could keep going. GP, like you could keep going, right? Everybody had a chance for a better day. Everybody had a chance for like, yo, you know what I mean? We could do this, you know what I mean? And I don't care if it's 30, 40 grand, 50, 60 grand a year. Better than nothing. Exactly. It's a chance, you know. And some of them, it's hundreds of thousands, you know what I mean? So, so, so, so, so that, I'll take that lesson in my life to be, to be what they call the abbot. And I probably was even the abbot back in junior high school. Yeah. I probably was the abbot in high school, not even conscious of it, not identifying it and, and doing all the negative shit. Even in the negative world, I mean, it was like 22 people in my crew, bro, you know what I mean? But I was leading them to nothing. Like he got shot, he got shot, he got shot. But then in the positive side, you know, everything turns around families, families, communities are better. [BLANK_AUDIO] any of the negative stuff follow you into the positive side. How long before that subsided? Like were you concerned? As you guys are on this rise to superstardom, then some fuck shit from back in the day was gonna catch. - I mean, Ootang was, they were involved with a lot of. - You heard about the fucking, the Delphonics come to do a song with the Wu-Tang clan, you know, the Delphonics are fully soul group, baby or not, here I come, they, they, like, we big fans of this shit, right? Ghostface, oh he loves the love scene. And William Hart, Major Harris, Major Harris is the one who made this song, Ty won't let me wait. The one that Loot the Ranchers did over. Anyway, these are big soul songs for us, right? They come visit us to do a song, and then it's like, let's do a piece of it right now. I don't know if it's a piece of Blunts in 40s and some paper. I didn't go, I had to stay in the studio. I'm working on the track. - Shit. - Come back, man, the van got shot up. - No way. - Yeah, busts and starts, and they, they was like, "Hey, man, don't worry about the blood. We, we seen all that shit in the building." - Wow. - But I'm just saying, yeah, of course. - That element of danger was there. - All right, guys, you see the light, you know what time it is, right? You know what time it is? Blunts, you got a new product. Your girl's getting dug out. Andy Dufrey. Andy Dufrey. The man crawled through shit for freedom. You don't got to do it. - Did you talk about that? Epstein victim. I'm like, what's going on? - Come on, how do you always make it bad? How do you always find it? It's a thought about Shawshank's redemption show. - Fuck your bitch to death. - No, what's the hell? - She's a Shawshank redemption. - I'm gonna bring that up and add about blue choo. - That's crazy. - Doesn't your shit go to the left a little bit? - It's the shank part. (laughing) - You know, Shawshank redemption your girl, man. She deserves it. Stop being selfish. It's not just about you. We know you're gonna finish, okay? 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I wish that we got to talk about Art in New York next. >> You think he's an ex-man? >> What do you mean? There's no choice to be anything but. >> I mean, I don't know. He lives in Ohio for a little bit. >> Not Charlotte for a little bit. >> What's Corson through his veins? >> From Brooklyn, he's a group of born in Browseville. What's Corson through his veins? It's the New York Knicks. >> This is Knicks. >> Maybe Dolan's all in that. >> [LAUGH] >> God! >> [LAUGH] >> Why are you talking about Rizza right now? >> He's a good guy. >> He's still got plans, I want to go. >> [LAUGH] >> In all seriousness, Knicks taking this series. By the time this comes out, cuz we're recording this Tuesday. Games tonight, we'll be up, we'll be up 3-2, we'll be up 3-2. And then I think, what do we have at the winning the series? Is that 69% what does Calcium have at 69%? >> 69%, so it's slide, it's slide, it's slide. >> I mean, it's picked up from last week. >> Last week we were looking at the odds were like 16 or something? >> No, no, no, I don't think so. >> And? >> Was it single this? >> It's not the side of your face, >> It's not the side of your face. >> That's not a thing, you know, cut that off. >> Yeah, cut that off. >> Cut that off, I understand. >> Cut that off. >> You could put the magic's odds, cuz I don't know if you guys have been seeing it, but the boys down Orlando have been cooking. I mean, they just won against Detroit. >> I'm not going to give a fuck, I'm going to throw in all magic, sir. >> Detroit's the first thing- >> Detroit's the volume on it. >> Look at the volume on it. >> Go look at the volume on it. >> We got 24 percent chance of winning the game. >> I'm milling, bro. >> A milling. >> 1.7, right? >> 1.7. >> All right, go look at the volume on the next. >> Okay, what do we got? >> Wait, wait, wait. >> 1.8. >> [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] >> That's something out of you all. >> Yeah. >> Something out of you all. >> If you want to make some money, you got to back up the Atlanta magic. I'm telling you. >> Damn, I guess they're gambling like that. >> They're the eight seed, they're the eight seed. >> Because there's nothing to do. >> There's nothing to do. >> There's nothing to do over there. >> Bro. >> Yeah. >> I think it's more of a boredom thing. >> No. >> Yeah. >> They got money, they know how to make a come up. >> How do they find time to watch the games in between cheerleading conflict? >> Okay, there's a lot of cheerleading coming in. >> How do they do it? >> There is a lot. >> There's so many cheerleading companies. >> That's the second-screen viewing right there. You just pull up on the side. >> Well, you're watching the cheerleading. >> How will we just put up 20, yeah? >> It's kind of nice. I mean, Cade Cunningham had 25, but copied up eight times. All right. Then this is your angle. Sorry, not that part. This might be the most fragile and first thing we've seen in a minute. I mean, you're telling me you win 60 games. You can't score for five minutes in the playoff. [LAUGH] >> Lunch horizons. This is your style. Detroit plays like a team that just discovered the playoffs are harder. Right? I mean, come on, bro. Hot take, quit this. Or come that way. >> If Orlando wins a series, it's going to be the one of worst collapses for adversity. It says a modern playoff history. This is career altering for Trey Young. >> It hits Mack. >> You know, the worst collapse in that history is I think it was your grandma's welcome. >> Okay, I don't know. >> In that bunker. >> No, actually. >> In that bunker. >> It turned World War II. >> Cut all the stuff out. >> Remember, remember, remember, I remember, I remember wrecked them. >> We can't laugh here. >> Can't put this in, bro. My nephew's been watching the show. >> Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. >> Yeah, we'll stop that. >> I'll do you a grandma. >> It's not, it's not a couch. That's not a couch. Oh, yeah. >> It closed your line. Detroit season went from work contenders to wear a documentary. >> Anyway, let's get back to the show. >> In that early crew, who is the funniest one, especially when you were growing up middle school high school? Is there someone that sticks out here like, oh, he was the funniest guy. >> I mean, Dirty is the funniest, bro. >> Yeah. >> Dirty is the type of dude, bro. I don't know, you got children and all that. But know that. That pops the type of nigga, y'all, that wrapped the paper towel around his dick, cuz he have a condom. >> For the dish, for the dish rag on his ship, bro. >> He might have been in there at the school. >> Look at the dish rag on that ship, bro. >> Bro. >> Yo, that is a little man. >> That is super absorption. That might work. >> They have seen the commercial. >> I have seen the commercial. >> That is the brownie problem. >> We came from fun. I told Joe Rogan the story of the day, but I say he was an ultimate, ultimate, ultimate expression of freedom. If I got to tell you a difference, yo, the dude, the dude fucking takes the car, yo, I want to, chill, we making a song, we got the Blue Mansion, we got the studio in the basement, the whole Marley Mar thing, right? He got ours. So let's, you know, let's make some song, I, I, I just got to run to this one hour and do something. And yeah, I think I know he had a being, whatever the fuck he had, goes out, tears the car, crashes, comes back, acts with somebody else's, go, I'm gonna get another car, yo, yo, he gets it though, don't, who, who gives them the car, me, of course, of course, of course is me, right? Yo, doesn't make it out the driveway. Another one. But now, now, mind you, the driveway is a little bad case, the driveway, bro, is going to the bad cave. It's like this, it's like the driveway is a, is at least three New York City blocks. We live, the house is in the fucking woods, Batman shit, right? So there's a chance at high speed going out. Yeah, he's clipping some kind of car, we're talking, um, he first, he fucked up the beam. I think for me, it was my angel over. Okay, so he fucked up that one. Yeah, he didn't, he wanted another one. But somebody came and got him and said, the thing I did, what the fuck was he going? Yeah, what you call, yo, did he always say where he was going? Yo, what you call him, uh, less than a piece of 12 o'clock. So, so there was this dude that would give us, get us cars, like, you know, you can bomb right? Like we, first of all, to be honest with you, we don't got license, bro, we sit on the half of dozen cars with no license. Yo, I don't got, I think it a license to like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I got my license, like in California or something, but I'm, my new wife, I don't drive now at all. But 12 tells me, don't just got the new Benz, this is, uh, he's happy. Now, he is a type of dude that he, he, he, like, he drives like a maniac, yeah. I'm not here for this. So all you could do is describe what somebody told me on the BQE, okay? He crashes the car. The car flips upside down, bro. The road gets out and just leaves, and left 12 o'clock and sit in the car, just upside down. He just left, bro. That's what happened to the other dude, he was like, yo, the nigga just left and with the try to get another fucking car, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not exaggerating this shit, bro. 12 to 12. I'm, I'm, I'm like, yo, I was like, I was like, yo, what the fuck happened, take off my seat, buddy. Yeah. You were six o'clock. Yeah, let me, let me, let me digress to something. So anyway, first of all, thank you for inviting me, dude, of course, I'm doing, I'm doing a big press run for my new film. Oh, no, I want to talk all about the fact that last night, by the way, respect, we's wanting to break it up is because my character is named Unique, yeah, yeah, an old E B name is A song Unique. Okay. So I named the character after him. Okay. That's awesome. And there's a scene in the movie where the car is upside down, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's it. This guy helps. Yeah. So point being made is like, like, like my love for for my cousin and for him, I'm glad that I'm able to be an artist that I could find ways to inject real life stuff, real life stuff. And I'm making magical, of course, but, you know, ODB's older brother name is Ramsey. That's why in my story is Unique and is Ramsey and how the brother name is Randy. And that's why his government name is actually, so the, yeah, you said the ODB is the ultimate expression of freedom. Is that the magnetism of him? I think so. Because I remember, I mean, I'm sure you remember the moment where it's like, it was like MTV was obsessed with him. He had crossed over too. And I don't know if you could write that not you, of course you could, but like the average person, I don't know if they could just write down why they love this guy. But it was a visceral reaction before you could like game algorithm and like promote something. I don't even know if MTV was going, is this the right thing to promote? Right. And it didn't even matter. Right. It didn't matter. You could make the argument that he was doing everything for them not to promote him. And it was working. Right. Right. It was like true rock stars, and not rock star and like the contrive version where you've seen rock stars try to pretend to be rock stars, like, okay, like my four fathers put all the furniture in the hotel room on the ceilings, I'm going to do that. It was like watching something that didn't know how to exist in any other way, shape or form. Yeah. He, bro. Yeah. Talking about hotels. Well, I was just saying, yo, bro, there's not many hotels, got destroyed by the city. Tell me. No, even, yo, I'm going to sleep with myself, this will take it even popular yet, bro. And they invited us to the, what if the BMG conference or some shit, and they trying to like convince the executives that this is the new group, yeah, they're going to be this, they're going to be that. The same was doing well, but put money on these guys, right. And fucking, we go there and they want us to perform and front of them, and we do, first of all, dirty stars, the performance off, and just wasted it somewhere over the rainbow. Okay. So that's the, give me what night here, this is great. No service, bro, but that night, what do these, what do these, what do these execs and suits think? That's not fair. Okay. But forget that, but then that night, bro, and I, like, I'm not going to, like, I wasn't part of it. Like, because I can see that I like talk about him, but it's still, I'm going to give him the ring, leave the role of this. Well, I don't know what made him get the idea. I don't know if we cause, cause maybe the, like, the girl was in that room or this or whatever, you know, groupies or whatever. But he was like, yo, yo, God, I got this fire highs, right. Right? Fire extinguisher. Yeah. Yeah. Say, yo, look at this shit. You hit one puff and it like, it does, it does this. He's like, yo, let's go hit niggas rooms. Okay, yo, yeah, I did it. Yeah, for the door, he was light up the whole room and just like, boom, boom, boom, boom. Or even you could put it like right there and push it through. And then put it through. Whoa. But now, I mean, everybody was he, the mouth was super heated. He had a, he had a darn piece in there probably back then. I don't know. But it's not just, you know, I don't know, like I said, I'm just open as a door covered as you know. First of all, you don't realize that that stuff is not easy to come off. Yeah, yeah. Fire extinguisher shit. Fire it started. Yeah, you got to basically throw that couch away. Just remember. And so now it's the only guy to get this bill. He didn't complain. Then he just, he talks about it now, like, you don't know you fucking guys, like you guys, like the shit, like we had the chairman of BMG there, bro. And they fucking came with this fucking bill for Wu Tang clan is like, he had to convince them. It's gonna be worth it. Yeah. He was right. He actually said, he might have said like the rock stars. He might have used that as a fucking slogan unintentionally, but I'm, here we are in a rock and roll. I mean, it's just yeah, like I always wondered like in the 90s, everybody's trying to be like gangster and all that type of stuff. Why did ODB choose old dirty bastard for his name? Well, I gave him that name because all of most of my names come from inspired by Kung Fu movies one way or another. Okay. But, you know, in the Kung Fu, one of you guys was watching, but they always say, you old dirty bastard. They always say that. Oh, that's the translation. That's the dub, that's the dub, dub, dub the version. And then, and then there was the, um, the, and the drunk master was always considered the old dirty bastard. And old dirty, did the drunk and style, as we say, my style, I do the drunk and style. I mean, he could get, he could drink 10, 40s, and still get on the microphone and brush ass. Oh, okay. And he actually gave Ray Kwan the name of the chef. Ray Kwan had his name with dirty was like, nah. He's the chef. He's only one that kind of like, uh, that, that dude actually gave that title, Ray Kwan was Ray Kwan. - Why do you make him the chef? - I feel like it was for two reasons. One, for their movie, the mystery of chess boxing, there's a character called the chef that ends up teaching the student, but you don't know where the chef could kill and kick ass. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, so I think that was one of the reasons and also, you know, cooking up for this, by the way. - Yeah, cooking up marvelous styles. Yeah, we'll pull up for you as you pull 'em on. - Fair enough. - Cooking up marvelous styles. So that's why you got the chef. - Of course, ghost face killer from the movie, mystery of chess boxing, ghost face killer. Everybody wanted that name, though. - Yeah, everybody wanted that one. - That was a high, that was a high. - After the fire extinguisher, everyone's ghost face. (laughing) - Didn't he break out of prison one time to go perform with y'all in New York? - Or like that? - Then I'm not break out of prison. - Rehab facility or something? - Yeah, it was looking for him. And he fucking left and he showed up at the Hammerstein ballroom in disguise. - Most of you disguise as? - With the dirty add-on. (laughing) - Cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers. - Mark, do you want a little? - I'll get a glass, if someone-- - Miles, can we get one more glass in for-- - You got to start, you got to start. - Okay, so the Hammerstein ballroom-- - He's in disguise, he pulls up, he probably still has like a medical bracelet on or something. - No, he, he, that was a weird night. - I bet. (laughing) - No, it was something beautiful about it, Doc. - Okay. - Because he was there. - And he wanted to beat it, you know what I mean? And I was so happy, I kinda bought, I don't like how I reacted that night. Like I think, like I think I did it, I think I was wrong that night. - Why would you? - I think I was like too happy and too in the moment of the brand and too in the moment of the visual look of it. But I didn't really take the consideration of the danger that my cousin was in. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - Yeah, I think I was too much being a fucking avid executive type morph. - Chasing the success and what this event would be and how, I mean, I think this would be received. - Yeah. - I think I was fucked up enough. 'Cause I saw the footage of it. And I don't even say, you know how it really is now, I can't stay long. Like I can't, like and I would like, you know, I'm like, yeah, we got done. Man, fuck all that shit. Well, this is a serious. And I just, that was a, I think that was a, I think that's been a few of my, I'm gonna speak my, I think that's a few of my flaws is that the, the, the, the, the, like the, the, the, the, the, the small human is of it. - Mm-hmm. - The small human compassion of the moment. - I'm the sacrifice that for the bigger picture. - Yeah. - And then you gotta say is the bigger picture worth it. - Mm-hmm. - Hindsight is 2020 or whatever the cliche is. Like it's easy to look back as someone who's achieved all the things and go, oh, I wish I did those little moments differently, but that perspective also might have allowed you to have a hundred people escape poverty and, you know, live their dreams. - Somebody said, I've got to just say that, but Tarantino said that to me one day he said, uh, 'cause one day I really was really like, I don't know, it felt like going back, it was shit happening and I just felt like, I don't know, maybe I should fucking do something, you know? And he was like, ah, come here, sit down. - Yeah, let me pour you a drink. - Oh, as he said, let me make you a margarita. It's like he makes me, I'm margaritas, making margaritas, it makes me a margarita. And he did say this to me, and I'm can now, I'm taking back, I'm not taking back, what I felt wrong, 'cause I do realize that for the W, my sacrifice, yo, I wouldn't even, like my mom's wanting to come, no. - What? - Because I felt like what we doing, what we was doing was there's too much and too that for her. - Well, that's being protective of your mom. - Yeah, I don't respect her almost. - Yeah, I didn't want her to see me jumping up coasting like that either. - Right. - Now, I'm sure as a parent, you're like, one of my kids has achieved something that he's most. - Yeah, almost nobody in history has achieved. And I just kind of want to witness it. - Yeah, I don't care if you're cursing, bro. - She knows you're a curse words. - I was wrong on the team. - But then also, like me, my siblings have been talking, and it's just like, at one point, if you wasn't woo, well, you couldn't see me. - Really, it was that tight. - Well, I was so engaged, you know. - Oh, wow. - I mean, my first house, I bought my first house at Cleveland, which was, I would drive out of Rockaboo Hall of Fame all the time, too, so it's a blessing to be in there. But I bought that house, that's, that's why I was. - Yeah, that's crazy. But I bought that house to move my woman and child to Ohio so that the Staten Island House can be the studio. - And I stayed there. - Interesting. - Okay. - I'm talking like months and funk and, and blick with swords and Cuban links, bro. It's like, when Rayquan said with the boots that paved the way, Nigger, I didn't change my shoes, bro. He was like, the other is Nigger's way and that's saying, you know what I'm saying? Since we're two years, I have it. Like, so, so, I'm just saying that, that I'm not knocking it. I'm just saying what, that when you think about, those moments, like, dirty on stage, his life is on the line in all reality. And I'm like, the woo is more important than this moment. - Yeah. - And we're having the next two days later. - He gets put back. - Exactly. And I couldn't even get, like, I didn't even get, like, my love for him is, is like, in the Bible, it says, David and Nathan. I don't know if you read the Bible. - What's up, David? - I don't know if I'm even in Nathan, but. The other story in the Bible is like, the reason why David lives, and why he doesn't kill Saul, they become the king, because Saul's son was Nathan. And he was, you know, the prince. But David is about to become the king, over this Nigger's father, right? But their love was so strong, like, their spiritual love. Like, it wasn't the, I mean, some people tried to miss the church with that shit, I don't know. But, it was, their spiritual love was just like, "Yo, that's my mate." - Yeah. - That's it, yo, and they was like this. And that, they was, and that love was so strong that it helped David become the king. You see what I mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And so, I was saying, me and Aeson was like, - Severeign that love wouldn't allow him to be the king they needed. - Exactly. And so, where Aeson is just like, it's like, in that moment, it's almost like, I even sacrificed that love because, I didn't even give him that fucking, that fucking hug. I'm not gonna see him until years later, when it's not even him. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - It's something, so that's something about when in hindsight, I'm like, okay, for the womb, what a sacrifice. And that's my family. Like, he's our brother. - Yeah. - And all of us love him. - Yeah. - And all of us party to say something very similar. But he's also my blood. - Yeah. - So that's another equation there. - Do you regret not spending more time with your kid and having them go to Cleveland? - I don't regret now. You know, I have a beautiful wife and my new wife came in and they helped me raise my children. My ex-wife, we ended up. - Yeah. And my new wife came in. And my son, you know, I don't be going deep here. But my son said this to me. And all praises do to a law. 'Cause I'm happy that I can hear my son say this. And he said that he never, he didn't miss me because when I was there, I was so present. He was like, his friends, he's like, my friends asked me. I was like, I don't know. Like that, no, like that is a type of dude, bro. Like, I mean, even I have fucking, like, but like, I'll put on a, I'll make a movie just for my son. Like, you know what I mean? Like, look at this. I made for you. And I said, with his toys. But then I scored, and then I scored. (laughing) And I'm that type of, like, I'm like, you know, I'm that type of, I am, I'm in, when I'm there, I'm in the games, yeah. So he said, so he told me, he didn't, you know, or all my sons, you know what I mean? But thought it was maybe a little more text, a little more. And I think, and I gave more. Like when I realized, when I was, and I said it was any father, then when you realized that something is off course in your household. - You gotta get in there. Bro, take the time. Be patient. You know, my daughter, I didn't know what to do, right? I didn't know how to communicate with her. It was, I was working on that TV show gang belated. And we had this, this other guest actress who maybe had two episodes with us. And, you know, she would hear me vent because the lead actor, Ramon, you know, we became, you know, we do a TV show, we become brothers, right? - Mm-hmm. - He had me like, yeah, my daughter. And she said, well, girls are different, Bobby. You need to just text her every day. Even if she don't respond. Text call every day. I said, eventually, say, and eventually she will respond. And about four, five months later, yeah. And then we know the relationship, that's beautiful now. - Wow. - Yeah, and you need to push through that boundary because what she's feeling is that you don't want to be there. And it's very difficult to show love to somebody. who is rejecting the love. - Yeah. - But that's actually when they meet at the most. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's tricky. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's cool. - The kids stuff, yeah. - So fascinating. You mentioned this earlier, it's like when you lock in on something, that's like so focused and then like you haven't been writing because you're focused on editing the movie and things like that. So you'll get so focused, have you adjusted to find like balance to be able to do multiple things or is you still operate the same way? - I think I got balanced now. It's just like, look in the middle of this interview, pour some fucking heaven's sake, you know what I mean? I come, so I've not found the balance, but because it's the sort of things that I love that I do, you know what I mean? So I love piano, 90% of the time from home, the first thing I do after a couple of calls, it's said by the piano. - Get out of here, you wake up, coffee, and just hit the. - Wow. - Yeah. - Or the good talk. The good talk's right by my bed, bro. So I get up, or rather like how the coffee picked the good talk. - And you know what? I'm not a singer, you know that. But I could sing my wife a song quite sure she might, she's enjoying it 'cause it's me. (laughing) But I know I'm not, I'm not here, no, no, no, the bad jokes. No, it's over there. But by the end of the day though, it's, I love music, and also, before I face the world, you know what I mean? It's like, I try to get myself some time. And then the second thing I've learned is, but first of all, the blessings of life, right? So we all, 'cause you told you to be here or for something like that, right? So you ran around, you did just shit, but then you home and you fucking your home is heaven. - That is the problem sometimes it gets really comfy. - Right, but that's the beauty of going out. Like, Kings don't build cashews for Kings. Kings build cashews for Queens, so that when they come home, they're in heaven. - Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. - That's, I've been blessed with that kind of life, you know what I mean. On this project, even more, my wife is a producer. So, I came here from, I left, she's writing a hotel, I'm gonna wait for me to come back. - Was that tricky to have her input on the? - It's great, great, great, great. 'Cause social was true. - Yeah. - It ain't gonna be an old boy, it's, yeah. - Yeah, it has Connie, well, yeah. Even, I said something all the day, 'cause she asked me sometimes I'm coming to the interview. The other day, I guess I was, oh no, I started talking about some sex of some shit. And she said after it says, she was like, chill out, or talk, or talking about the sex. I was relating it to something in the film, you seen the film, of course. - It's shit, right? - It's a nice little scene. (laughing) - Nice little scene. - It got a little bit behind me in there, too. - Yeah, it was, yeah, it was, she was, oh yeah, oh yeah. - She was bouncing on it, man. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - She was bouncing on it. It is weird 'cause they're in high school in the movies, so you're like, yo, I know these actors aren't you? (laughing) - It's hard, it's hard. - I just believe a little bit. - Yeah, so anyway. But it's in the movie. - It's in the movie. - But she's right, that's not what the movie's about. - You know, does he not write when the cops come in? - That's funny, yeah. (laughing) - I thought it was hilarious. - That's hilarious. (laughing) - The second the cops come in, the dude just busts up a little. (laughing) - The girl, the girl's bouncing on it crazy. Like, on the bed, not in. But he doesn't know her. He's the role of the guy. - I said on the bed, not in. - But he doesn't know her to the two cops come in like, "I ain't put it in." (laughing) - What's happened to Turnolize Trump? - Yeah. - He's in a little more sometime, yeah. - He's in a little more. - Oh, but he got to get him over the edge. - Yeah, exactly. - So that guy, RJ Cyclough plays that actor. - Yeah, he's good. - Yeah, he's good, man. - You seen him in the book of Climates, you ever see that one? - Yeah. - That was good. - He's good, yeah, yeah. - Which book of Clarence? - That was the key, that was the key. - Big world, man. - Big world, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - How did you get Michael Jackson's daughter in that? - Paris Jackson. I got lucky, bro. - That was crazy. - Oh, she um-- - 'Cause I didn't know she was in it. - Yo, Mike, till you saw it. - I'm watching, I'm like, you know, man. - Wait, is this Mike's king like this? - Yes, he is. - Yes, he um, it was my cast and agent, Kim Harding. She said that Paris is acting now and she's looking for good roles. You might have sent her to script. I said, "Yeah, send it to her." And then she responded and then we got on the zoom. And um, yeah, I was like, you know, the first one would be a pleasure. The thing about her that I think is special is that she don't need to do it. - At all. - Yeah, at all. - Right. And when you're doing the movie, bro, you gotta get up six in the morning, sit in the fucking makeup chair, deal with a bunch of motherfuckers you don't know. And then go be somebody that you're not. - Hmm. - Right? Most people do it for money. - Yeah. - For, or a lust for fame. - Yeah. - She don't need none of that. - Yeah, yeah. - So only way she could do it if she's a what? - An artist and she is, bro. - Really? - She really loves it. - She's an artist, bro. She, first of all, she has every actor got something like Shambi Moore, who's a lead character. He's a spunt. - Interesting. - He's a spunt. She has to sit here, soak it up. - Soak you up, go give you back. - No. - She has what I call the must remember me of an actress. I seen that in Uma Thurman and I seen it in Lucy Lo. Which is, the way this table is is going to, if the scene was this. - She's going to do it again. - Exactly. - Exactly. - And I was like, that's okay. And I said, she's actually meant to be an actress. It's up to her. If she wants to be, she can easily be. - Did you remember, did you meet Mike? - I never met Mike with Jackson. - Oh wow. - No, the only one I know when I met him in our crew was Ghosts and Ray, because they called me that day. - What the, what was that, how did that happen? - They was, I think they met him twice. They met him at the hip factory in New York. And then they met him at the hip factory in Miami. - Yeah. - What did they say when they get out of here? - Like, they said he was like a prince. - Like a, like a, like a, not prince to artist course. (laughing) - There was a great, you know what I'm saying? He was like a prince. - His steam. - Yeah, like, like, like, like, I couldn't imagine. Like, he probably like, like, like, remember I told him about the guy who had that little small vibration. - Yeah. - He probably had a vibration that was like. - Bro. - And I see it and you as like a person who's famous, you know it and you probably feel it, right? Like, you know, when you're in a room where people recognize you and you could feel the attention going. - But. - And then there's people that, like, like I was, I remember once I was at the comedy seller, it's a comedy club in New York and greatest comedy club in the world. - I knew that. - I don't know, of course. - So, and Madonna was there for some reason. And like, I don't think we forget how famous Madonna was. Like, you know, or is, like, of course. But it was, it was a fascinating thing because it's not like there aren't famous people that go there regularly. But she was just at a table. And the feeling was, nobody in that room could concentrate on whatever they were pretending to talk about. Like, you and I are talking. But both of us are kind of veering off. - You're fearing, you're fearing this energy. - Yeah. - And like, I always wonder what that does to a person. - That's, that's vibrating the energy. - And it's getting that energy vibrating back, like constantly gravity on you, no matter where you go. - You know, let me, let me give you a small theory on it. And I don't have those type of people's energy, right? I've got my own, but I, so it took me years for my wife to watch me perform. If she looks, I'm stumbling, bro. - Interesting. - Oh wow. - You know what I'm saying? - Why do she know a different version of you? - Whatever, like, like, I don't, maybe, you know what I mean? It's maybe. It's like, it's like, yes, like don't look at me. - Wow. Because it's this, you know what I mean? So, it could be also, I'm so enamored by her. So it could be, you know, the same way, but I'm saying it. And I'm trying to say that there, maybe that's some energy in that to where a celebrity or somebody, they have a G that rattles you. You know what? I did an interview at the, on KTLA last week. And I watched KTLA every fucking morning. I wasn't really going to point the first minute. - You're nervous a little bit, Glyn, too? - Yo bro, the first minute. I didn't even think I was nervous though. I was backstage talking to mother fuckers all said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're gonna do, yeah, cool. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, turn, okay. I'm giving you a pic of Michael. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, pic of Michael here. I got an inside pocket, yeah. - Mom, I sit down and shit. - Is it? - No, shit, is this one? - Fuck it, I was like, what the fuck? - I was like, what the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck? - I was like, just froze up with it. - They ain't no time for nothing, but like, so really, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's it. - Yeah, you know, like shit, yeah, you know, all right. But you know what I mean? I'm like, you know what I mean? I'm trying to get it together. It took about a beat. And then I got like, my shit is stoned. But it was like, you know what I mean? It started soggy dig, well. (laughing) You gotta blow on it. (laughing) - Have you met people like that where you just get into presence and you're like, oh, there's cheese cream. - Thought it was cream. like they're vibrating at a different level. >> Yeah. >> Who are some people that come to mind? >> I mean, over the time, so many different people you meet like that, like you feel them. My Tyson was like that to me because I was such a fan, you know what I mean? He's my brother now, but like, for me it's different, right? I can't like say the name, name, name, name, name. So I think, I think Denzel Washington had a had a had a energy that made me like kind of like a little, I said shrink and energy, right? Because that's the best way to use it. I think that's a good terminology, a shrink and energy. Motherfucker's that can shrink you, you know what I mean? And I think he had it on American gangster is the greatest actor in the world at the time. He's Denzel, fucking Washington. >> Still. >> Yeah, still. >> And I just, you know, like, they was like, oh, do you want to meet Denzel? And I was like, yeah, exactly, right? And it was like, okay, we're going to bring you to his trailer. Now, you don't go to a mother fuck this, only groupie is going to go to your trailer. Right? I mean. >> I'm a groupie. >> Gross. >> You know what? You know what? I went to his trailer, but normally, I'm not going to nobody's mother fucking trailer. >> Yeah. >> So I go to his trailer and they knock, boom, boom, boom, and the door don't open. Now, they came and got me, so they boom for the knock again, the door never opened, bro. It never opened, okay? And basically, my car came and took me to a fuckhole, so I don't meet on this shit, right? So, and I was a little puzzled by it, but, and I was, my fucking hand was sweating anyway. So maybe it was a good thing to do. But then, there's a scene in the movie where they say, where Russell Crowe's character is going to examine him and go through all the history and they're going to break it all down. And the scene was written that Russell Crowe and Vinzel are going to have that moment. But Russell, he already built this convoy with all the actors and his, his police force. And he was like, no, mate, me and my guy is going to do that. You know, that's like, like, I wouldn't do that by myself. My whole crew who helped bring this down would be here, that's, that's how it would work. And really, Scott was like, okay, you know what I mean? And so now, I'm in the scene with Vinzel. >> Yeah. >> Wow. And bro, he didn't speak to me, like, he almost didn't look at me, you know? And I remember, like, on the first two takes going back out and really, really, Scott was like, I don't know. Like, you know, like, what's up with this guy, and I got, and I was living in my own heads. I kind of took it a little personal, but it wasn't not me, he didn't speak to none of us. He spoke to us, okay, and that, and that, even that was, and so, okay, so anyway, this take five, and really trying to tell him, you know, given some direct advice for the fuck you were saying, right? And now be at tape four, five, and it's the same thing, bro, you know what I mean? I do some lines and start now, and you know, I try to, you know what I'm talking about? And when you watch the film, it's in the scene, it's in there, okay? And on the very last moment of the last, okay, we got it, right? Somebody said something, and he said, what, I fucking force you, he said, what? Why would I be fucking smiling with a fucking bunch of cops on Frank Lucas? Why would I be friendly to a bunch of fucking cops on Frank Lucas? He's thinking they character. Oh, wow. Right? Now, I still didn't get it. I mean, how could I, no, I'm new. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what, second, third film, imagine your second third film you're sitting across Denzel fucking watching. There's a blessing for them to know. So now, and I go home and I tell my wife, I'm like, I don't think Denzel liked me, I don't know, baby, like, like, like, like, I knocked on his door, going through every moment. Like, yeah. And she said, I don't know, because she loves Denzel, of course, and said, and so I wanted to be able to come home and say, yeah, Denzel, my man. Yeah. But what finally happens, bro, what's cool, what's, what's show, show us how amazing he is. Now it's the premiere. And we walk in the red carpet and somebody comes from behind and grabs me and it gives me a big hug. Like from the back and I turn around, it's fucking Denzel watching. And what happens? Wow. You grain in the film and shit, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, oh, shit, Denzel. You say, you say, you say, you take a picture and took a picture with me and my wife and all of us. And I see them after that. It'd be cool. Wow. But I was like, oh, shit. And I was, you know, everything was like, yeah, right here. He knows me. He likes me. I'm cool. Cause you didn't meet Denzel. You met Frank Lucas. Exactly. Exactly. And that's, that's the kind of professional that he is. And that's the kind of professional that really, if you're serious about that craft, right. I think that's a smarter approach. I don't know if I can do that because I come from different disciplines, so I bring a different discipline with it. Sure. But he's one of the best that I would do it. So it makes totally, totally sense and said, he probably tells that story. He's like, I was waking up. The cops is banging on my face. I don't know what the fuck that was. 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I was a party on the east coast and all the fuck in there. It was in LA. How did you know about him? Who Eminem? Yeah, because before the album is released, I think the singles doing well, he was doing well, yeah. But he wasn't this sensation immediately. Well, he, I mean, I think Luris is recognized immediately. So, okay. So the community, the people who are rap, rap, rap, Luris is recognized immediately. Now, now, I didn't meet him back, all right, so I had all the guys that worked underneath me. And my up and coming food. we're staying at the Oakwood apartment. So this is a place in California called the Oakwood apartment. In those days, all corporate mother for all artists would get an apartment as a corporate housing. - Someone else has been told me about this. - Yeah. It was also I think like if you were doing pilot season. - Yeah. - Like your mom and you would come through like a child actor and you get the apartment there. - You could apartment the Oakwood apartment. A lot of actors or up and coming artists. - Yeah. - Eminem was there at the Oakwood. And he met some of some of my, some of the younger killer bees like a guy named Hall of Cards and all these dudes. - Interesting name. - Yeah. - That's a fucking name. - Well, some guys are killer. You know what's bigger than a killer. - How did it go for? How did it go in the entertainment business for heaven? - One single. - That's the rest of the piece he passed away. You know, you know what could quote Hall of Cards learn from beginning to end? - The Jews. - Seth Rogen, bro. - Get out of here. - Seth Rogen knew that shit. When I met Seth Rogen, he knew that whole fucking roast. The roast is amazing. It's not a. - Is it in German? - Okay. - Yeah. (all laughing) - I think like it, like, as, and then I never actually had to say his name like that. (all laughing) I guess he was so close. - You just call him "Cards." - Yeah. - Or Hall of Cards. (all laughing) - He was good. - Yeah, he had some shit as a West Coast killer visa shit. But anyway, anyway, they met Eminem back in those days and shit, and they told me about him. - And shit. 'Cause they were getting to Slyphus, you know? - Okay, so they knew there was like some. - Yeah. - Percolating. - But when I went to the album, at least, I just went like, and I think in that phase of my life, trying to move, I moved to Cali, or, you know, I'm talking more fucking that will show up, you know, I mean, if somebody like, oh, they got a hip hop song, so the night and so on, so you want to pop in, you know, yeah, why not? And then, it's party. (all laughing) Yo, and I be the only motherfucker. Yo, but I be the only motherfucker from the East Coast in the whole fucking party, you know what I mean? And felt, but there was love for-- - Yeah, it was love. - No, I felt super comfortable when, and then it is love. I mean, come on, Dr. Dre, that's like the Godfather of it all. And even when I first met him, it was like a pleasure. Like a joy. - Yeah, I imagine when he meets you, given how much he cares about, especially like, rap and lyrics. He's meeting someone he's admired for a very long time. Is there like-- - It's mutual. Of course, of course. - Yeah, I gotta say, you know, no, it's mutual. He loves the game, you can really feel it. - Yeah, you know, he's giving me, he's giving me some great compliments in this mutual. It's like he's one that he's one, if anything, if you wanted the sound like a fucking record, you gotta emulate him, you know what I mean? I wasn't trying to sound like a record, honestly. Until I was trying, like for many years, I didn't try to, I was trying to sound like a demo. I mean, I wanted my shit to sound like, yo, son, this shit nigga's made this shit. - I mean, I was like priming it. - You wanted it to be like, yo, bro, fuck that. - Low five. - Yeah, you know how it is when you first, I mean, especially, like, I'm a generation older than you guys, but hip hop started on fucking tapes, blowing hisses. - You know who, who, who, who's in the room soon? - My dad, my dad used to work in NBC with, like, producer news on NBC. He was first in Baltimore and then he came up and he did a news story and it was the first ever news story on rap music. And he went up and there was a guy named, it was up in a Bronx, there was a club, I forget the name. - The fever? - I don't know, I gotta ask him, but it was DJ Hollywood. - Yeah, it was DJ Hollywood. - Yeah, classic, yeah. - And he was like, dude, he was like, this guy was like, he was just kind of freestyle and he was going off the, and imagine, like, a white dude to like, go over to New York. - Never heard this before. - Kez here, he's there and everybody's telling him about this, like, this is very real. My dad's old, he's 80 years old, you know what I mean? He doesn't, and he actually met with, like, Russell in his, like, midtown one office with no desk. It was just a telephone and two chairs, right? And, but he said, he was, it Curtis Blow is there and stuff, but he said there was something about that, like, that DJ Hollywood guy. And I was always curious, so like, people came up or at least were, like, aware at the time. - Yeah, DJ Hollywood had tapes flowing around. Like, I'm more of the era of cold crush brothers, which is, which is, you know cold crush brothers. - No. - Okay, so cold crush. I mean, people were arguing that grandma's the cast of the cold crush brothers is, might be the third rapper in history. - Really? - Like, you know what I'm saying? You might be the third. They said there's got a cold little rock. - Yeah. - Right, he might be the first rapper in history. Melly Mel, Grandmaster Cast. These are amongst the, these are considered some of the firsts. And if not, definitely in the Bronx. Where it comes from, so. - Right. - So, so, yeah, cold crush brothers. That was, that's some from the cold crush brothers. The Fantastic Five, Fieldless Four, Crass Cool. - Wow. - So this is percolating at the time. - This is the tapes. - And this is like, I'm trying to figure out like what it connects to. Like, I remember when I was a kid. Do you remember like the Jackass, that show Jackass on the TV? Before Jackass, there was this thing that Bam Margera and his brother and their friends did. There was a skate video called CKY and CKY2K. And it would mix skateboarding with pranks. - Okay. - This is the first experience I had with something that was like viral through like handing it to people. In the same way that tapes, I think were, like I remember getting like Big L's tape. - Right, right, right, right. - And it was almost people with gatekeep Big L a little bit. - Right, right. - It's a secret, right? - Yeah, I don't know why they felt like they wanted to be a secret, but the only way you could hear about shit, it wasn't marketing, it wasn't fucking promo. - Somebody had a hand at you. - Someone handed to you and maybe you could like burn a copy of it. - Oh yeah, you got your fucking Kongin' box. - Yup. - First record of that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So that vibe and that feeling was always important to me. The vintage sound of hip-hop. - So lean into it. - When it just did this first album, where I was from Virginia's, it was in the studio. Like he had the demo first. I had the demo on cassette. Then when he put the album done, it, yeah. - So what, you made it more like the demo? - No, what he, no, what he, what I'm saying is like, I have the demo of his album, which I love. I love the albums to refined. - Then I get the album and I'm like, "Yo, it sound like, what is like, what happened?" Like something that is like, you know, sound like you. - It's already nice. - It's the soul, yeah, yeah. But whatever they did in that fucking mixing board. So now my goal was to make sure that that doesn't lose. So when you put it on 36 chamber, this is going to the tape, you turn it over. And cream, you hear the tape, and you go, "Hey, yo, sound class." And you go, "Hey, yo, sound class." That's gonna happen to him, bro. - The chaos. - It's real. - It's real. And then when the beat finally drops, because you don't think it's going to drop, you know what I mean? And I'm actually doing it live. I'm doing that live. I mean, because I've been like on the seventh chamber. I pressed every snare manually. So you're keeping the timing yourself. And he's fucking slid. And you can hit it flat, flat, flat. When that happens, I got it now. (laughing) I'm living it, you know what I mean? - It's not perfect, but it's real. - It's real. - It's not perfect is what people, so the guy that does the audio, you met him earlier at the time, because Santa, he's the best at, in my opinion, doing audio for a stand-up comedy. But the thing that we always talk about, like when we're filming specials is like, you need to hear the audience. Sometimes, sometimes people who do audio for stand-up they just want the words to sound perfect. - Right. - And then the audience. And I go, when you're at a comedy show, sometimes you won't even hear what the motherfuckers say and these people laugh. - Right. - Someone's ordering a drink behind you. - Yeah, maybe. - And they laugh somewhere. - Just like making it. - That's smart, yeah. - Like give people that experience where they feel like they're there. - That's smart, because you know, especially when you actually do sound good. - That, yeah. - No, no. Shout out to Tom. Because I've seen a special twist, like it's like it's hollow. Like somebody put a filter over that shit. - And they do. - 'Cause they want to make it perfect for the standards of what, you know, the stereo should be here. - Yeah, right. Netflix won it like this. - It's not a sitcom where, with a laugh track, it's human beings who laugh at weird times. Sometimes they laugh late. Sometimes they're kind of like repeating a word from it. Make it ugly. - It's like a, like, which a pie, right? - Remember when they're walking in when it was laughing? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The guy walks out too and takes a picture. It's still like, it's so real. - It's the realest moment. - And he lives off it. - He lives into it. - I think that's one of the special sauce with wool. Is that you felt like it was, not only the characters, right? Characters, I'm using that respect, but like, not only the people that populated it, but also like the sound. Everything about it felt so authentic that it made things that weren't that feel mainstream or, I don't wanna say processed, but like in reflection of it. - Well, honestly, sir. - I know what you mean. It's like, it's almost like, you're like, The hoody skateboarder is better than the fucking elliptic ice skater. Yeah, it's a fuck on that shit. It's all great, it's all great talent, but it's like, I don't need the task as well. That's shit, I want to sneaker scuff. Right, right, right. I want to jean's ripped, makes sense, but I will say there was intention to that, to the sound, you know, it wasn't tension and it stayed like that for a while, because when I did the methaman album, I felt like that we went to the studio on that album. I never like, I ain't gonna say I never like that, I love what we did, but I just felt like it was, I let too many fingers touch it. So when I went to Cuban links, I ain't got nobody touch. Nobody was in, you know, I mean, I didn't even go to the studio, I did, I picked the board in my house, hit the two track real to my fucking house, and that's, and if you even listen to that album, even though it's gonna sound, whatever way it's gonna sound, you may hear stuff that has more sonic weight to it, but sonic ideas and the way that the MC sound. I had every one of their compressors set. So when Ghost came, you listen, like in early albums, Ghost sound like Ghosts again and again and again and again, eventually he stopped sounding. He sound like Ghosts, but he started, it started sounding a little different than the place I had him in, you know what I mean, because they stopped putting those compressors in the same place. It stopped using, it stopped using what we used. This is, you know what I mean, it's like the setting, like he came in today, I had a setting, like you may, maybe he's like a preset for you, it's the time you sit here, bro, it looks like you're a show. If you guys got to break this shit down and move, it's going to be different, but close. You had the Ghost setting, yeah, I had the Ghosts, I had everybody setting, bro, I want to ask you a question. Yeah, because I just, we told everybody to fly who named, you know, named five, Patrizonile. Patrizonile. Patrizonile. Patrizonile. Patrizonile. Patrizonile. Wow. That's my top five. He's funny. Yeah. Wow. That's good. Dialogue, dialogue, dialogue. Now listen, this is, I've seen everybody live, and I've seen them on their recorded stuff. So it's, I'm not just judging off of like what you see on video. There are some people where you see they're like, they're special. And in my opinion, it's not like the best representation of them, not even because of the jokes. Sometimes like, their energy doesn't permeate the television. That's true. And there are some people who permeate the television, but like in person is not as impressive. Right. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that force is, but some people have that, that gift or that thing. Right. Me, it was just, he was the most, he was just the most fully formed. Like he could give you great jokes. He could bring you into the joke. He could make you think it was happening in real time. And he could do a joke about the toughest thing and get you to laugh at it. I'm gonna go back and study him. I've seen some of his work, but not a lot of it. It is funny, but I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go take another option. Elephant in the room is the one that's probably available now on Netflix. Okay. Look, he passed, like R.I.P, like he didn't put out a ton. I don't know that he passed. Yeah. It's almost like a big, not a big, he was bigger. He was more renowned, but like, he's, he's one of those super, like a big L maybe. That's maybe a better, like everybody knew about him. But to me, it's like not even, okay, I haven't seen anybody touch it. Yeah. Who's your favorite comedian? For me, like, Richard Puyer just always seems to, like, had, had, had always, like, he was, he, I still got him as number one, because he was able to, uh, stomach ground, hit it. That was a long, I thought it was the subway. That was a long crack. I never heard someone say that, something's growling while it's still growing. You got a subwoofer in his soul, man, you know what, I drunk before I ate. Yeah. What's the, what's up? It's like, yo, bro, that's what you give me. That's right. It's right. That's this one. It's right in there. It's, it's a poey. But Richard is fantastic. What I say, hell, for me, is I just never seen nobody before or after animate anything into a situation. Yeah. Like, he's like, yo, the dog, he's, he had the dog always barking at me and shit, right? It's shit. And, uh, he had the monkeys, and then the monkeys die, it's shit, and the, and the monkeys died. I was fucking sad. My monkeys died and shit, you know, sitting there in the fucking dog that he used to chase me. He tells me over the fence and shit, you go, hey, man, sorry about the monkeys. Yeah. That's sad. I was going to eat them and shit. He's like, you know, we don't let that shit get to you, man, you know, that shit could fuck you up, you know, uh, yeah, be strong, man. All right. He said, then the dog looked my hand and he ran and jumped back over the fence. But before he landed, he looked back and said, no, I'm going to be chasing your ass again tomorrow. I was like, so is that so different now, Richard and the jokes still hold up. You listen to like old prior, like, they still work like a comic could do them today. Like maybe changing like a little like some language stuff, but like it's the essence is still there. A lot of old comics, it kind of ages. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Tommy doesn't age well a lot of times. Mm-hmm. Hit that watch it. Hold on. Again. Trains coming. Yeah. Who's an artist you would love to work with that you haven't been able to? Um, I don't know, right? I'm open to artists. I just, I just, uh, musically, you know, I never, like this is corny, but I said it a hundred times. I said it again. I never really worked with Lionel, but she's out there again. I know, but I know it's like, there was something that's, I think, should. Should it happen in, in definitely an op-roms, it just never happened, yeah? Mm-hmm. That would be far. Can you? Maybe you can get it or put out another album. I know. I know. We've been waiting a long time for that. Maybe. Of course, you already got the apple number one album of the fucking history. Yeah. I think they got it right, too. I mean, she killed it. Yeah. Okay. So just real quick, big owl to you. What was happening in your life around that time, because I'm very new, you know, big old is my man. Well, you knew him. Well, I don't talk a lot about big owl and shit, because that's my man and shit. And me and big owl was rhyming back before Wu Te. Can you know how to get away? So, so people I said in New York, I don't know if they really know big owl that much. Yeah. He's, he's growing though. It's weird. Like I see even in like Europe sometimes, I'm like, yeah, he's growing from him. He's, he's like one of those, like it's certain jazz musicians, too, right, that you, you realize that they were another pillar of it, like another energy of it, that you go, you don't realize until you realize it. I think he was, I think he was ahead of this time. Yeah. Like he was special. And, and, and, and that was my man, that was my man, man. I know met the man and said one time that, uh, I don't want to be people with it. You know, tons of got tough with big owl. So he, he, he became a street pharmacist. Mm-hmm. I thought his brother was the street guy and he was with, either way, I'm going to have to doubt him. Yeah. You believe him. That was my man, though. Right. I, I, I mean, I was, I had a, I had a drug moment. I'll talk to him with my drug moments. Right. So, yeah. But I had a drug moment a little bit. I was fucked up. Really? I was lost in the sauce, bro. Using word or. Yeah. Distributing. No, using bro. Really? Listen, I kept it to, you know, especially after my mom's past, you know, my mom's past, it's just like, I don't know, I lost myself for some years. It wasn't reasonable. It was kept, you know, I kept it contained in shit, you know, I mean, I mean, I mean, I could tame. It wasn't publicly exposed. Right. You know, I mean, what was the, what was the, I mean, I didn't get in there, bro. You don't want to get into it. Yeah. I, I, I call it, you know what? I made my own formula. Get the fuck out of it. Yeah. Yeah. If the shit I was doing, bro, you are a producer. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, trust me, you patches that should I make. Trillion. Trillion, man. Trillion, man. Trillion, man. Trillion, man. Trillion, man. Trillion. You patches with our, with our claim up with. Wow. How long? Like how long word did you go through that period? I feel like it lasted at least. Oh, wow. How did you, how did you kick it? How did you, yeah, what got you out? Yeah. Like, we're talking about another time. Fair enough. Okay. Yeah. Wow. But it's gone. I don't even smoke weed. I know. Wow. I'm just interested. Sockie's. Fairly indulging Sockie. Wow. Because I love when you started doing the Bobby Digital stuff. I was like, oh, wow. I'm just seeing a new side of you. And I know that I was, but I saw the future. Mm-hmm. What do you mean? Bobby Digital. As inspired by this consumption or because you've always had kind of foresight in what was going on. That accelerated my foresight. Mm. There. And then was part of that future bad if you didn't kick it. And that's why you're like, I got to get off this shit. Can't see. Mm-hmm. Wow. So. Some like spiritual experience type of thing? It is guys, huh? Dig in me. Sorry, bro. Don't do this. Just come back. Just come back. You'll come back to another time. Wow. Yeah. Well, sorry, sorry. You were saying about L. And you guys were close. Yeah. And you had to call and be like, listen, dude. Like. No, I was calling him. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, I need a sample, I need a sample. Well, at least 20, 20 you can see. Here, 25% of the formula. Wow. How do you get it from there? Yeah, great. But that was a real thing that rappers used to do, like, would go to other rappers hoods in like battle. Like that was a real thing. Cause you hear stories of Big L and Jay Z having these real things. And that's how you met Elp. Yeah. That battle? Yeah, I met him at a battle, yup. Wow. And nasty? Just nasty. I forgot what was there. I had to bend it back then. So is it a town in the battle? No, it was in DC. This is like 90, I feel like this is 90. And pre-written stuff or whatever, whatever you got. Pro, maybe the reason I like it is because he had some bars that were hilarious. Like, I think a lot of the, there's a lot of dudes that battle rap now, they are like genuinely geniuses at it. Genius. Yeah. Like, I watched so many of these guys and they're phenomenal and they're funny and it's kind of like joke writing in a way like that. Like roast jokes. It's like roast jokes, right? And, but he would just have these lines that would have me fucking die him. Well, no, he's good, man, he was special just, first of all, just like, he was like my man. Like, my man is like, every time I saw him, I felt good. No, man, he's like, like, and even when Go saw him, he wouldn't know him, like I knew him, he felt good. Really? Like, you know, some people was like that. Like, you see them. And it's like, oh, it's my man right here, you know, I may make you smile, he's real, he's still real. He wasn't know nothing with real, he's an artist and he was real, you know what I mean? And they said, like, like, I spent a thousand days with him, you know, man, sure, but you felt the connection with him and you thought he was positive energy. Yeah. It's special. What happened to him? And any of us, look, yeah, he has 16 ready anytime, he has 16 ready for you. Do you want it? You got it. Did you ever have to bat him? I don't know. I don't speak on that. Wow. Wow. Oh, I want to know that. I don't know. Maybe all fairs. I like that too. Well, that's round two. That's round two. Yeah, we're going to learn a lot of stuff. He's a special, he's a special dude. So just keep that specialty there. Let's do it. Yeah. And thinking about, like, rap beats, I'm so curious, your perspective on the current state of hip hop and rap. Like obviously Kendrick and Drake had this massive thing, you know, a year back. And like, I know you kind of helped Kendrick a little bit when he was first starting off, like helping with some samples and clearing some stuff. And then obviously you and Drake, it seems like have some relationship with like Wu-Ting forever and things like that. So I'm curious when you saw that going down, what was your perspective and like now like things that kind of settled, what can you say about it? I mean, hip hop is a sport as well as an art form. Right? It's like chess. Chess is a sport. But it's also an art form and it's also a competition. So hip hop to me is very similar. So I thought it was great and healthy. The only thing that's, you know, that's, that's we could look at that in perspective is that because it's black culture in a way, even though it's not, but it's just, it is what it is. I said, it's not because it's fucking worse, big rubin' with Charlie Chase, you know what I mean? Because it was part of the first cruise, Grand Wizard Theatre, some, you know, I think Charlie Chase was Puerto Rican, Tito from The Fearless Force, Puerto Rican. It's the, it's a black contribution to pop culture that has become the dominant force in pop culture. Yeah, it is capital city culture. Yeah. Yeah. But, but, but, you know, you know, the brothers put a lot at, yeah, no question. They created it. Right. But, um, it comes with our stigma of, you stuck in my shoe, yo, mm, mm, you know what I'm saying? And the old days, you couldn't even wear a can go, bro. Why? You got to defend that. You know, not serious, yo, why do you, yo, bro, you wore a can go. Yeah. And the days when hip hop was first formulating, you better be able to fight or have a gun or run fast. One of my saying when I put on my can go, you say that I, I could hold this shit down, kid. Wow. If not, give me, give me that. I can't go. Like, go face this. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. No, he stole it from me. My north face. Yes. I'll say, look, how they stole your north face. They snatched it. You have me and my buddy in an outside A and S plaza. Remember A and S plaza? Is that, uh, Brooklyn? No. He's in on like 34th, remember, there was a mall that was like an inside on 34th street in Manhattan. There was like an indoor mall. I don't even know if it's still there. I don't think I went to that model for it. Yeah. Anyway, it was by like MSG. Okay. And like, there was a little phone booth outside. This is back when we were using payphones, like call our parents to shit. No. I was like, fuck, 11, 12 years old, a couple of kids were in up on me and him. And they're like, yo, we're going to need that. And I was the last one of my group that got robbed. Right. Right. Like, I watched my buddy get his jacket. His back back taken. Right. He got his front row at the garden. I was crazy. He got a knife. He's not there. He just skip over. I thought I was like, I don't think they want mine. I got purple. But anyway, yeah. They got my shit. But you know, but that's how hip-hop was, like, you know, you could be in that street jam. And you got your, whatever you got on, you got to be able to hold that down. Right. Right. Because of that nature of it, when a hip-hop battle starts, we don't know if it's going to always stay with the art. We don't know if it's going to always stay on the, on the, stay on the wax. And so that's what makes it delicate. And then when the lyrics, you know, you know, to me when Kendrick wrote that lyric, uh, from to his son, I mean, to his daughter, uh, to his mom and, um, yeah, yo, gee, he broke them apart. That was deep. He broke them apart. Yeah. That was deep. Well, I was just like, um, that's, that's, you know, that's, that lyric was strong. It's knives right in the quarter mega, you know, I think you're going to go eat there. But no, no, no, that's on the quarter mega, well, one love for us who lived this shit, knives wrote one of the best rhymes in history with that and, and the, and the, and the other song they gave you power, I gave you power. He's writing from the perspective of a fucking gun. Oh, wow. All right. So in Kendrick, to me, rolls to that level, when he fucking wrote this fucking letter to this dude, um, but now it's, it's, it's, it's, it, it becomes, it goes back with Jay-Z. He said recently, it's unnecessary because it can't become personal, can it become back to, to, you know, biggy and park, right? You know, park says, I fucked your wife, well, yeah, you said it kindly, yeah, you said the kind of exactly, but still, that's a hard, it's a, it's a rhyme. I lost my first battle to a nigga, right? I lose a lot of battles. I lost this one battle, though, I won most of my battles, maybe two of my life, I lost. But this dude, and I'm maybe, I'm 13, 14 and my name is a scientist, but all my lyrics is scientifically deep, well, I'll tell you how to sperm, go to the zygote, my host and my host is, exactly, I said that shit is girls and the whole crew, you know, so like 20 people, well, yeah, you know, I don't go first. I said that shit, I thought I killed this nigga, this nigga said, I don't know, I forgot his name, I don't know if it's Mikey D or something, shit, whatever, nigga, my MC Mikey D, you talking that scientific shit, I make you get on the knees, nigga, suck my fucking dick. - And the crowd asked. (laughing) - Oh my God. - What? - Can't say that much. - What did you say? - What the fuck is that? - That's the, it's not clever. - It was no comeback. - You thought you were nerd. - Right. - And now, and yo, and we thought about like, to be fight. (laughing) - And when you thought he was like, yo, I can stab this nigga. - You really? - Like, yo, it felt, it felt, it felt deep. - 'Cause this throwing out of suck, my dick is, it's deep. - It's deep. - Yeah. - It's deep, but it was a lesson. That's what, look, you hear dirty. - He'll say shit like that quick after that. - Yeah. - By the time, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - I'm a bunch of motherfucking ass right now. I'm the one man on me, yay song. I love, he even said it, right? - You can suck my dick. (laughing) - He sat it in his own shit. - So that's what he learned from that moment. - Yeah, yeah. - From that moment you learned like, just some time more that. Dirty said, oh, and that song, "Stomp." Said, "Niggas wanted to get up and rap, and rap, and rap, and rap, and rap." Man, fuck that. - That's it. - I think that's it. - Should I make us a head? (laughing) - That's fine. - I mean, sometimes, but sometimes that's what resonates the most. - Yeah, damn. - But so, go back to your question. I think hip hop is doing great, bro. Yeah, like regardless of what is lacking, of what, you know, that battle dead, and, you know, you're learning, make, make 15th Drake will let us know what the iceman thinks about it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And you'll know. But you'll know, it's his talent, it's his skill. Is he coming in Muhammad Ali? Right? I got to be careful saying this. - Mm-hmm. - Because when, uh, I might want the belt back, but I was so hurt, hard, personally hard, broken when Buster Douglas took it. From him more. Yeah, bro. Buster Douglas. I'll tell you this. Don't get Buster Douglas out this motherfucker. You could get Buster Douglas. You can. You got to be careful, bro. The dude took down the chair, and nobody expected that, right? So now how do you come back from that? So, and I'm not saying that this was a Buster Douglas fight. This was two swordsmen at their peak, throwing rounds for a round for a round for all respect to Buster Douglas, but Kendrick's not a Buster Douglas. No, hell no. Kendrick is a master, Drake is a master, the two sports class, somebody swore a broke on that one. Okay? But he went home. That's like chess, you could come back and walk another day, and so I'm so excited to see what he do with this new album. He may go, who knows what he's going to do? We're going to find out. But if he comes like lyrical back on that, then Bung. But if he comes back like, yo, I'm making hits, apart of hits, Bung, you know what I mean? So I'm excited about that. But I love hip-hop, I'm pessimistic about it, and I think that, I'm optimistic about it. No, see how. I'm optimistic about it, not think that it could turn you to do what it was meant to do, which is inspire and lighten and feed so many families. Love. Where can we see this movie, man? In theaters this weekend, May 1st, you know, I mean theaters everywhere go check it out. Presented by Quentin, by the way, you're going to be Quentin Tarantino. Yeah. Yeah. So it means that they're going to be white character, saying the N word. 100%. That's the quality of the case. Famalamba. Feet. Feet? No. I was disappointed. I'm a man of culture, like Quentin. Right. I mean, no feeding this fucking movie, but you can you send us out on one more story? Oh, yes. Please. Okay. So there was a time that you went to Shanghai. Oh, okay. And you had to try to figure out a bathroom situation. Do you want to show you a room? Oh, okay. All of it. All of it. All of it. Okay. I'll give you some more to fuck with. I'm going to start with a story. Then I'm going to see if I got one bar for you. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. It's a chopper. Okay. So no, we was talking about, you know, filming, you know, so once one of the talkers, my fourth feature film, and my first film was called "The Man with the Iron Fist." And I shot that in China, Also Crow, David Teesta, Lucy Lewis, that's a great cast, right. But in 2010, 2011, when we was doing the film, the outside of Shanghai, all the bathrooms still had the stand-up joints. Yeah. And you got to squat the plot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen them. Yeah. They still got them? In parts of Southern France. Oh, wow. What's up? So that means that you shitting, bro, there's a hole in the ground, or even a hole in the toilet. I'm not in the toilet. Like, you go into a skull. Yeah. And you squat and you plot. Right? Oh, what if you got bad knees? You got to be strong, bro. You don't got bad knees in China, bro. Yeah. I just like squatting on the street. Yeah. Like that all the time. Boom. So check it out. That's a nice one. That's a nice one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a nice one as well. There wasn't that nice back, back, back, back when I went there, right? But here's the punchline. I got you now. Sure. I'm bringing over 20 Americans as heads of the apartments and things in that nature. So we're like, yo, we can't, first of all, I'm the most finnishiest bathroom user you're going to ever meet. That's it. It's on my writer. What a toilet. It's like a rail, bro. What's that bathroom? I got to have us this personal clean private space, bro. Yeah. That's mine. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody else could use it. You got to mark me off my space. Yeah. Very. You had 10 siblings growing up. So now. Yeah. But I had, on my, on my TV show, my, I had a trailer. That was, that's my dumper, right? And my, my younger brother, who really doesn't really respect me as the riser. Yeah. And maybe not even as his big brother, because of course, mind you, he's like fucking literally hopefully looking more like Superman two inches taller. Oh, wow. It's about three, fifty, four hundred. So put me call it. It's still my little brother. Yeah. Younger brother. So, bro, would you believe that we get to set, I go and say, I'm gonna get breakfast for everybody. Get breakfast. I give him breakfast and everything. And then I had to go and do some fucking, you know, check the monitor, whatever. He didn't do it. Bro. He didn't do it. The dude goes on my fucking trailer. It's not. It blows it up. No. No. I came in there, bro. Yo, I kicked them off set. I banned them. Yo, too much szechuan. Yo, you had a job. I had them working in security. You got fired that day, bro. I said, yo, bro, you know, I only got one fucking woman. That said, don't use my fucking bathroom. Yeah. So, so we said, okay, let's build a western bathroom. Yeah. That's a reasonable thing. And we do. Yeah. So we build it and we build with urinals and we build with toilets. Great. Right. Of course, you know how western bathroom is. You walk in the bathroom, what's first? Urinal. Then toilets. Okay. So, day six, seven, whatever, Rick Jung, another actor. He's an Asian actor. He's in the film as well. He plays Zingy. He comes into the lunch room. I also had a separate lunch room because in China, lunch is whatever, you open it and whatever's in that motherfucker. Yeah. I had a catered lunch. So you working with me. You got you to choose to take mother fucking things. Yeah. So Rick comes to lunch and he's just like, yo, bro. Disappointed, man. So what you mean? It's a disappointed and my people, bro. That's what you fucking talk about, bro. We have it a great time. It's no, bro. I just came from the bathroom, bro. Yeah. Ed. Yo, bro. Somebody shit it in a urinal. I don't believe it, bro. I can't believe it. We're like, nah. I can't believe it. I'm like, nah. I'm like, nah. I don't think it's possible. It's not scientifically possible. I don't even do that. I don't believe him. Four days later. I go to Baffel. No, no, no. Two of them shit's wrong. I'm like, what the fuck? I don't get it. I couldn't. But I honest to what happened. You should have put the urinals. It got too excited at the urinals. It does a fancy thing. I'm like, I don't even gotta squat no more. It's high. Yo, I'm not exaggerating this shit. I'm not making it up, bro. I just learned a lot about culture. All right, we need more information. I'm trying to keep all that close to it. All right? It'll be hard to do. You got to arch up this shit. Yeah, exactly. It's trying to flush it doesn't go. And they're like, oh, so give me a give me a what kind of ball you like? Oh, dude. Yes, that's on you. You, you, you, it's on you. You're an architect, bro. In a no tap too, right? I love it. Yeah, that's me every day still. You said that's five. You heard his orchestra album and did a whole album with the Denver orchestra. Oh, yeah. It's just a whole on orchestral piece. I gotta give you something good, because I got a feeling that that somebody going to see it, you know? Okay, so this particular ball, right, was supposed to be, so at the end of my movie, once I'm going to chocolate, there's a song that comes on that, um, that my buddy bacon produced with, produced and I rhymed on. And he gave me this track a while ago. And in the track, the hook says, maybe your God is something like my God. Right. It says, all the bullets in the guns, we use like the hard our lives. I mean, it says, maybe your soul. I'm just a paraphrasing. Maybe your soul is like my soul. We all suffer in the past, and nothing of a last forever. Maybe we can pray together and see either I, that your God and my God is the same God, right? And then I vote a vote for it, which we didn't use. His name is bacon. Yeah. He's going to get hard to Muslims and Jews. He's going to get a war. How about some bacon? So, but who could split the atom into 10,000 pieces? My thesis, it can be achieved through telekinesis. made from this image. We could trace all ourselves to the same lineage. We all have the same arm, leg, leg, arm, head, appendages. We fought scores of wars, were hoards of many caveans, shields and swords, guns and missiles in the name of the Lord. They gave them a thousand names, but the birds, the bees, the sea and the trees, the sun and the moon and the stars, they see Him as the same, genderless, creator of the genesis without anemosis. The one were no beginning or ending a nipotent. But we separate ourselves on borders and believe the lies of forefathers tortoise. Even the a-rabs were subjecting their women and burying their daughters. Hard on the side of castles made a brick and mortar. Then built cities that pollute the very air and water from the Spanish Inquisitions, the crusade Muslims against the Christians, Buddhists against the Taoists, Hindus and superstition, or prowess or power attacking the powerless. If this is act of war or act of cowardice, the inability to accept, we all showered by the same rays of the sun, days of the month. We all start all smaller than the micro-dot and grow from older young. We all walk with two legs and speak from one tongue. I prefer to drop love by some prefer to drop bombs. At the barbecue, my aunt and uncle used to argue about what God would do. What you should do, what their spare God to do, what doing for their selves was hard to do. The solution could be if we just came together, but they didn't bother to. Be play together as kids. On the military, we slay together. Politically, we can hate together. But why don't we just get on our knees and simply pray together, stand together, face each other, then see eye to eye without shame and proclaim, maybe your God and my God are the same. That's right, the result of our month. It goes, man. It was an honor, bro. Thank you so much. I'm sorry to steal that from my bad. Yeah, thank you so much, bro. Thank you so much, man. This is amazing. Make sure you guys go check out the movie. Yes, tickets on sales now. Have you got tickets on sales right now, once one of chocolate, bong bong. Go check it out. And you got more coming as well, right? Yeah, more than mission. I love it. I love it. And when you have been on the mission in the past, it's been incredibly fruitful. So we look, we look forward to indulging in this fruit, my friends. Thank you. That's one of my amazing. My man. This is awesome. Thank you, baby.