RZA Talks Wu-Tang, Creation, New Film

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Honing what he called a Tian Fu or a natural gift for the art form, I was the best. I was the best, and I knew it. One day during training, Master Chen Ji Jing called me into his office. He told me that as his most prodigious student, I would be sent to represent the Wu Dong in a battle against our natural rivals, Shao Alin. Of course, I accepted the opportunity to show my discipline superiority, so I hopped on a bus to Zheng Zhu, and I entered the temple and ready to display my mastery. I was soon introduced to my opponent from the Shao Alin temple, an American man named Brabert. He was strong, intimidating, with an eerie calm about him. We bowed, quickly began our Shao Zhu. I attempted a blow with my right hand. He perfectly blocked it. I tried for low leg kick, Brabert jumped all over it, almost bored with my attempt. And after many more failed strikes, I was clear. He had had enough. He was done playing with his food, so with one swift strike. He chopped my head off. And I died. I later found out that Brabert was a celebrity known as the Rizza, from a very herald-and-cumar 3D Christmas. Now, is that story true? 100%. And let the moral be this, don't try to steal the chicken just to end up losing the rice before they hatch, by guest's new film, One Spoon of Chocolate is in theaters everywhere, so go see it before it's gone. Please enjoy my conversation with the Rizza, Bobby Digital, Bobby Digital, the Scientist. Best friend. Best episode. Best episode. I got one last question. Like, what is this for? It's not in it. Go to the store. Go to the store. Now, it's water. Then he goes, "Faka." Well, I don't believe, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't be amount to many people. Well, I know. I can't measure. I can't measure. I'm at this stage in a middle age adulthood where I'm like, I, I, I really just said, I want to go to work. And you married or you, or you engaged? Engaged? I mean, you want to talk about that on camera or no? We don't have to. I don't, I don't, I like to. No, I like to create a new vision that I, that's, I like bad bunny. I could be straight gay. I don't shoot. No, no, no, no. I like, no, yeah, no, I've, I've mentioned before, yeah, we're, we're engaged. We've been together for five years. Oh, nice. Wait, he's awesome. I mentioned what I'm going to comment. I'm going to interview with this guy. How many, how long for an engagement? The engagement, like a year. Oh. Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. 'Cause at the, first of all, after two years of dating. Yeah, yeah. Three years of dating. It's really just whatever they want, you know? Yeah, but, but then to say, they're going to engagement, that means that you're feeling shit is good, bro. I wanted to get, I wanted to get married to her immediately, but I'm just one of those kind of guys. I was just waiting, it was, it was embarrassing. So I didn't tell her and I was waiting for her to be like, you have to get it engaged to me. But, yeah. I break the engagement though. You broke it? I break it. It was like. I like went, I went to Mexico City and then she was, we're visiting a friend of hers and I was like, can you make sure we're at like a party, like, and when the countdown happens, I'll just give her the ring. And then just like, we literally just, have you seen that movie after hours of Scorsese movie? No. It's the one where the guy goes out and he's just like, everything's a disaster after disaster. Like. I didn't watch that one, but, yeah. Okay. Yeah, we like, we left somewhere, we got to another place, there was no one was there. I was like, is that I told her friend, I was like, can you fight a party? We get to the party. There's like, like, six people around a coffee table living room, I'm like, I'm not getting engaged for, for these freaks and they're like, yo, dude, I love the last episode. I'm like, I'm definitely not getting in there for a guy who was who fucking watched my last episode. We try to go, we try to go, like, six different places and like by three a.m., we finally found this place. It was like, looked great. And she was cold, you know how like women, you know how they're old. Yeah, so she's wearing my jacket. And then the, I get padded down, I go in and I turn around and I'm like, oh shit. And then she's getting padded down there, like, what's this box? Oh. Yeah, they took it out. But I was like, being such a bitch all night, it would have been a romantic thing if that happened. But I was like, all night, she was like, what, why, why do you have such a bad attitude to new years? -I'm fine. I'm fine. -That's just trying to find a fucking place to it. -Volves. -And then she was like, "Oh, well, it didn't work out tonight. Maybe another time." And it was like, "It was so nice, but also I was like, might like, felt so immasculated." I was like, "Yeah, I'll try again another time." -Sparmer lemma. Then the next day, he says, "Hey, baby, let's do it." And you said something about when we're always being cold. How many when we have here? -Zero. -Yeah. -Let's just say, let's tell it like it is. -That's what my wife saw. -Yeah. -Let's just say, no. -You're always being cold. -The way the light was sitting in this dude right here, don't be angry. No, because his hair's here. Fuck this angle. -This is the alpha-pack leader of the crew. -No, but this angle. -Don't get it twisted. -I was like, "How many women we got?" I said, "None." -I said, "Wait, none." -I said, "Okay, take these off. I don't need these." -Yeah, yeah, but anyway. -But in prison, you'd be the bell of the ball, man. -Well, these while I was asking, is that, can your girl and anybody can answer this? -Yeah. -Can they fucking stand a hot shower than you? -These showers, it's so hot. -Exactly. What's the sign? -What is it, bro? -Women love a hot shower. -What the fuck is that? -Yeah, and it's insane. -You get an app that's insane. -And burn your whole shit. -It is, it is like. -So you down with it. -It is female. I get more witnesses. -Okay, all right. -Yeah, that's right. Tell them like it is, and there's no one here that could stop us. -That's shit. -All right. -And they'll see how they like that. -I just want to make sure I wasn't alone in that shit. -Oh, my God. Don't get me started, brother. You know how they tell the best stories that are really funny and interesting? -You know how they tell their girls those stories? -Uh-huh. -That they just told you, and you're like, "What the fuck is this?" And then their girl is like, "What?" And you're like, "What are you hearing?" -It was the pencil I had. -And then they tell a gay guy, and the gay guy's doing that, but I know the gay guy doesn't appreciate this story. The gay guy is, he's a double agent. He should tell her it's a bad story. -You know what, though? I can't speak up for my wife a little bit. -She's a. -No, no, the best throw. -I didn't realize how funny she was, bro. -They are funny, though. -Bro, she was hitting me with jokes for 10 years, I didn't get. -But she was hitting me with, you know, like, what style? -Bro. Like, want to come up. And it comes up, but I asked my wife, "Shit." -My friend has a list of just things that his wife says, so he doesn't snap. -Yeah, she's good, bro. -She hasn't even got trillion as three million. How funny is that? [ Laughter ] -Who won the war when he was talking about World War II. She's like, "Who won?" -What are they doing? -That's funny, though. -And don't get me started. They use Apple Maps. [ Laughter ] It's insane, the way they use Apple Maps. -Apple Maps. -Yeah, because it's on the phone. You're like, "Get Google." You're gonna fucking drive off. Apple Maps never works. It's psycho. I don't understand how they ever figured out the maps. You use Google Maps like a man, or ways like a Zionist -Way. -Masad. -Would you believe I don't drive, bro? -You don't drive at all. -We're having jove since 2011, bro. -Really? Do you have a driver? -Yeah, really. -It's money-out-stress, you know what I mean? -Do you have a window that you, like, like-- -No, no, no, no. -No, I don't want to talk to you. Do you have a-- -I mean, the panel will kind of pop up. But I got to escalate. He drives to escalate. Oh, whatever. But I don't drive. Just game up, bro. -You're done with it. I'm a terrible driver, too. -You should give up, bro. -Yeah, yeah. And also, my girlfriend's way better than me, and it is the masculine, too. Yeah, I will-- I know how I'm going to die one day, actually, because I do this sneezing thing, where I can't sneeze once. I sneeze, like, at least three times in a row. -Okay. -And I'm going to be on a freeway, and then just-- yeah. -Well, you've got a lot of blessings, then. -No, no. -I know if you sneeze. I know if you sneeze, bless you, bless you, bless you. -No, no, no, no. -Not once. One of the least respected-- You have a lot of nicknames. I only have one. You're like-- you have, like, you know, the scientists, Bobby Digital, Robert Fitzgerald, Diggs. -Diggs. -Yeah. -You're also-- yeah, you're named after RFK? -Yeah. -Yeah. -No, no, wait. -No, no, no. Fitzgerald, John Fitzgerald. -John and Robert together. -Your parents loved them. -Yeah, yeah. -There were those kind of baby boomers. -Yeah. -They were like, it was Camelot. It was phenomenal. -Yeah. -It was, well, somebody cared. -Yeah. -It felt like somebody cared. And those days, 'cause it was, you know, it's like, nobody cared. -You ever meet the son? -No, I'm a junior. -A junior? -No. -He's got some of opinions. -Yeah, well, I'm talking about the guy with the-- -He got a junior. -He got a deep voice. His voice is deep, though. -What the fuck happened to him? -No, he's kind of voice-like. He's got something stuck in it. -Yeah, what happened? -What's that? -Oh, no. [ Laughter ] Just kidding. Well, he deserves it for all the, you know, you know it, Mr. Trump. -Yeah. -That's what he gets. -Yeah, he has come stuck in his throat. That's what I said. -Ah, shit. -No, I'm, uh, yeah, there's a very funny video of him, 'cause he's, like, clearly on, like, Roids. Try to do push-ups, and he can, like, only do three. -Good idea. -Yeah, he has muscles, but he's weak. -Yeah, it's hilarious. -That's deep. -Not us. -No, no, I could do more than three. I got a bad shoulder, and I could do, definitely more than three. -Okay. Let's get to the interview, even though you're my best friend. -I thought we-- I thought this wasn't an interview. -No, no, I have-- I actually-- -Yeah, you got it. -You got it. Make an intro. -I have topics. -Okay. -Well, we were rolling all that. We were rolling on all that. I just wanted to chill with you the rest of my life, and I knew that I would be this guy. -Ah, shit. -When I've thought about this, this has gone exactly how I thought it would go. You're like, Adam, you're the second greatest producer of all time. Who, uh, you think you get your flowers, actually? -You know what? -In terms of, like, all that of, of, industry itself? -Producer, specifically. -I don't know. I think this. I mean, I see it a lot, you know what I mean? I'm always on somebody's top five or whatever, whatever. But, um, it's like, nobody validates me, you know what I mean? -I would say it's Phil Spector than you. -Hey. -Yeah. [ Laughter ] -Bill was good. -He was pretty good. -It's it. But I think that, uh, no. No, on the little bill, nobody don't take me, can't validate me or invalidate me, bro. -You don't, I don't really care about any of the things in this. -That's not saying. -It's not being middle-aged. -Yeah, right? You'll be a fuck. -I don't have to be cool anymore. -I stink. I stink. And if you're watching this shame on you, you're a loser. [ Laughter ] -We're gonna upgrade you, though. We're gonna upgrade you. -Did you have, like, a, like, a lineage? 'Cause, like, I feel like when, like, we should get to the movie 'cause I know you're promoting it. -Wait, wait, wait. I don't want to-- -I don't want to-- -I have, like, a million questions that I've had my entire life. But, like-- -Let me start this-- Let me look, ladies and gentlemen. It's my first time here. -May 1st. -What? I won't say-- -I'm gonna throw up on this guy. He's gonna get me back for this. But, yo, bro, I'm just here to have fun with you spending the time with you, bro. -Me, too. That's all I want to do, also. [ Laughter ] -I'm just trying to show him. -Okay. -That's it, bro. -Okay. -I should do a proper introduction. Ladies and gentlemen, he doesn't need one. It's the Rizza-- -Yeah. -His new film, what's it like in your new film? -Once for the chocolate. -It is in theaters, May 1st. Everyone goes to see it. It is-- It's-- it's fired by your own life. It's your story. -It's fired by a lot of shit, bro. -It's the inflection point, kind of, of everything for you. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -There's a lot of things going on in there. It's fired by two events. And I think, uh, now that we've done that, we promote my film. My first week is just chilling this shit. But now that we promote my film, I will say that. -Cause, though, 'cause the money men here, all they care about is the dollars. They're looking at me. They're, like, promote the film. Why do you pay good money for this? -Well, all you care about is your brands and your commercial. [ Laughter ] -Yeah. -But I will say that it's definitely a film that will hit every emotion. -Yeah. -I mean, like, you want to get-- You want to feel comfortable, uncomfortable, happy, sad, uh, fulfilled. And you still might walk away with some questions. And that's what cinema should do. Cinema should make you be like, "Yo, whoo, that was good." You know what I mean? -There's nothing about you that's, like, movies and music is kind of one thing. Like, I mean, like, the first time you listen, the 36 chambers are like any of the, you know, the albums that you produce for the solo albums that you produce for them, it's all, like, just sick. Some of this, I mean, like, we listen to Liquid Swords. That's about two minutes of a sample. That's a long one up top. -Yeah, it's a movie. -But, like, you are, do you view music as cinema in a way? Like, are you experiencing an album? Like, it's a kind of like a-- That was my ambition was to make albums that was, like, audio movies. I'm making music back when there's no DVDs, well. That was, like, one of the questions I had is like, "How did you see so much, like, specifically black exploitation and kung fu movies?" Like, how were you exposed, I guess, growing up to like-- -Oh, VHS was everything. -Yeah. I was-- I actually had to-- I actually bought-- I tried to start my own video store in Ohio. And so, I bought all the fucking movies from this video store in Staten Island. So, my collection is ridiculous on VHS, to my thousands of VHS movies. And I watched shit, you know what I mean? I dig-- I was digging through movies, like, we-- Like, people who dig through creates records, you know what I mean? And so, and my goal was-- so, New Yorkers, we would leave New York and drive to Virginia-- DC or Virginia. -Yeah. -This was when the street pharmaceutical business was part of the trade, right? -With the Viagra-- -No, but-- -Yeah, before that. -Yeah, yeah, before that. Okay. -This said-- This said probably shrink your dick, all right? -Oh, yeah. -That's the worst experience in the world, which is like-- -Yeah, this said probably shrink your dick. -Yeah, cut that, please. Please cut that. -Wait, this is a weaker curse on this shit, bro? -Yeah, oh, fuck yeah. -Okay, let me make sure. Anyway, driving down to, you know, when you drive, dude, when you drive, I always wanted somebody, you know, with a big fucking Benz to put my cassette in and fucking go on a journey while he's driving. That was like my ambition to, like, have an audio movie. And so, my music was always made to be listened from beginning to end. I wasn't really thinking about singles and hit records. I was thinking about cinematic experiences without knowing the world was called cinematic. And then, eventually, of course, I realized that all along, I am a film director, but the toys I had was a sampler, a turntable, or a four-track machine, or a beat machine. Now, of course, I've been blessed, and I got motherfucker. You know what I mean? The whole set, you know what I mean? So, I mean, you've scored films, of course. -Yeah, that's what they do. -Tarantino films. You also, wait, did you see that clip of him that one time when he was on 106th and Park? -Tarantino, I see it. -Oh, you-- -So, you're not talking-- -My bad boy, he's being very-- He has a lot of stank on what the way he's talking. He's putting a lot of stank. He's like, yeah, what do you do? -When he's on BET, where he's like, he's like, yeah. But he's talking like 70s black guy, which matches, I guess, his movies. But the code-swishing is one of the funniest videos, yeah. -I gotta see that. -See, y'all, what up, slick? You make me a little touch. Slick, you know? -It's like a pimple, yeah. -Oh, shit. -Well, that goes, you know what, all your slang-- I know, he's a friend. He's a friend of mine. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Definitely, you know, I used-- I call him the Godfather in my film world. -Uh-huh. -Right. But, oh, no, let's go to anybody. Everybody slang depends on your fucking age, bro. -Sure. -If you meet a dude in the '60s from 1965 to '75, he's like, what the-- what the-- what the-- what the fuck is that? -It's like listening, it's like listening, you know, a Lenny Bruce comedy album where he's like, this cat over here-- -Yeah, this cat. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -What the fuck is this? What is this funny to people? But the funniest thing worst is that the shit come back around, y'all. Now, by the-- y'all, bro, y'all, bro, do you have that lot now for these kids? Were you from the bro generation? No, the-- the bro was-- before me. Oh, bro, it was set-- it came before me. When did bro first pop up? I'm from the son, y'all, what up, son? Son, that's me, what I've done. That's New York, though. That's me. It's so funny how I was just like-- It's the most fun. I was listening to the infamous and just copying the way they're talking. -Yeah, y'all. -That's a Jewish boy. Like, literally, when I moved to New York, would you move from? I gotta know. I lived in DC before that, and then I grew up in Vegas pretty much. Yeah. That's-- wait, that's a weird place to grow. I mean, no, I mean, the pain pong is definitely-- I went to college in DC that I started-- comedy that I went to. - Okay, okay, okay. - But like, I was literally on the G-Train, listening to the infamous, and I was like, like, I was, I was like, like, Emily in Paris, but I was like (laughing) but I was like, they're rapping about the G-Train in this song. - Right, and you're on it. - If anyone knew what was going through my mind on the train, they'd be like, this is the lamest guy of all time. - Yeah. - But Sonnet Thun is, and for me, also, you know, from New York, every since we was 11, we was calling each other, yo, it would have got peace got. - Yeah. - Yo G, you know what I mean? - That's respect, that's nice. - Yeah, so it was always, so all that, bro, job, turkey shit, none of that shit made it to me. - Was Stan Island considered like, you were like a country bumpkin at the time? - No. - You guys were the first kind of act. - Yeah, I mean, people, now New York did look at Stan Island as a forgotten burrow. - Yeah, they were like, what the hell are these? - It's where they came over. - These whops. (laughing) - Oh, these fuckin' day goes over here. - Right, right, a lot of time brothers over there. - I'm sorry to make their friends of the show. - Yeah, yeah. - But till they came over there, 'cause yo, you could come to Stan Island with all that other sucka shit. - Yeah, yeah. - And don't go home. - What was it like growing up around those guys? - Which guys? - You know, the die trailians. - Oh, those are, those are, those are one of my people's y'all. I was in, I mean, the last one was small. - Yo, I'm in school, I'm in the eighth grade, and my classmate last name is Costa Lano. - Uh-huh. - Okay. - So that says, - Yeah. - Oh, good. And I'm like, "I spent the night." - You know what I mean? 'Cause he had a turtle. - He had a turtle. - Oh, yeah, he had a turtle, you know what I mean? So, you remember hanging out with a rich kid who sucked, but he had all the gaming systems? - Yeah. - Yeah, that sucked. And he just had all the games. - And you have a ball with a cartridge, and never take it back? - Of course. - Yeah. - Tell his dad to buy him another one. (laughing) - That's what you get for being, (laughing) fuckin' one percent, (laughing) - No, but, wait, so you were born in Brooklyn, you grew up in Staten Island, and in the South, and Midwest, all over. - By the time I was 21, I lived in the 20 locations. - Uh-huh. - Yeah, not by choice. It just happened to be that way for me. - I think, what's clear, from the early records is like, you were using a lot of soul samples, which is kind of like, I think, do you feel like you were one of the first producers kind of, 'cause that's defined hip-hop production. I mean, Kanye's first three albums don't happen. I think, if you don't put that, like, yeah. - Yeah, I think I definitely helped bring that into it. The emotion of a soul record, I actually realized that that fuckin' A minor chord, was everything. - Brakes your heart. - Yeah. And then you see, like, even on Lisa Keane's first came out, it's an A minor. - Yeah. - That scale, those chords, I think it was something about them that really attracted me, sonically. I didn't even, I didn't know what the fuckin' was, but I didn't even know what a C chord was when I made a platinum album. And you go, "Hey, hit the C note." I'm like, "Hold on, bro, let me." I might dig in my pocket, try to prank it. A C note is a hundred dollar bill, you know what I mean? - And just for the record, speak of A minor, no one has ever come forward and said that they were molested by Drake. It's a very cruel, and it's a cruel anti-Semitic. It was literally a hit job. He was one of the first artists to sign the Palestine letter. And DJ Khaled hasn't done it yet, actually. Just by being the most famous Palestinian, I don't get me started, but. How did it, but it's. (laughing) I just want to put that out there. - This guy likes it. This guy likes it. - Yeah, A minor is just a chord, right? - Well, it is just a chord, and it's at the Grammys, the Super Bowl and the Oscars. I thought Oscars, what does the fucking song have to do with movies? Sorry, don't get me started. It is one of the most anti-Semitic things I've ever seen. (laughing) - Can you wait the May 15th? Are you excited about May 15th? - I'm so excited. - Okay, make sure, okay. - Do you know, do you know the product, do you know my friend, I would assume he will be as good as friends of us. Do you know Aubrey Drake, Graham? Do you say, you call them Arby. - Is it you stupid? - Arby. - You know what, we know each other for the meeting. - I've met him, I've met him, I respect them. Yeah, I'm like, sometimes I'm an audacity, I know you, right? And I can't say I know him, right? - But you have his phone number maybe, or? - No, I have his pops phone number. - You have, woohoo, you do. 'Cause his dad, his dad's brother was in sign of the family's son, is that correct? - Nah, I don't know, I don't know the history. I think his father was in business. - Dennis Graham, yeah, they just were Memphis. - Yeah. - I think his uncle was in-- - Yeah, I think they've been in music their whole life. - Yeah. - It's shit, but I know, if you were to ask me this a few years ago, you know, sometimes I go, yeah, I know 'em, but then I'm saying to myself, like, yo, you don't really know. Like, I said, even if we met today, because somebody said, you know, we're so, yeah, I know. - Well, we hung out, my dude. - I wouldn't say that. - But you can't say I know this motherfucker. - Well, I wouldn't say, I'd be humble about it. - I met this motherfucker. - I would say I met, but in my head, I know we know each other well. (laughing) - So, but, yeah, but I'm a fan of Drake's music. I met him as a cool motherfucker. - When did you make it when the C&D's, C&D's knuckleheads? - The battles? - Yeah, knuckleheads. - Listen, bro, that's part-- I'm from New York, yeah. That's how hip-hop tapes started circulating. Like, it was like, yo, you heard this tape, a busy bee at Kool-Mo D. - Yeah. - You're like, what, put it in, and they fucking talking shit about each other. But they battling, you know what I mean? So hip-hop has been that, you know what I mean? But it's part of, hip-hop is a sport. Don't get it twisted. - Who did you guys have problems with early on? - Nobody. - Nobody. - 'Cause they-- - 'Cause you do karate and beat 'em up. They were probably afraid of the karate. - Well, we had our battles before we became famous. We used to get on the train and look for motherfuckers. - Really? - Seriously. - Really? - Yo, bro, even as a DJ, I'll give you one little ego-tistical one. Yo, as a DJ, bro. From Staten Island, I got on the ferry to the fucking train to go away to the Bronx who are project building that I never been to, to battle a motherfucker at a house party. That's hip-hop. - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? Beat this motherfucker, then go back, you're just doing it just to beat him in the head back home. You get no money, you ain't getting nothing. All you know is that you beat that motherfucker. - Do you get his girlfriend or something? Or is he gonna get nothing? - You don't get anything? - Nothing. I did the same thing. Yo, then the two weeks later, they're like, "Yo, they got this DJ in Lower East, said he could get you." It's always some guy that knows some guy. - What did they do? - It's like, yo, I'm like, "Yeah, I beat their Saturday." You go there, turn tables out, block party. You ain't even belong there, bro. You a fish out of water and all reality, but hip-hop is so big. And then you battling, you beat the goddamn guns. Come out motherfuckers shooting, blah, blah, blah, blah. You laughing. - You're laughing at the guns? - Yeah, you laughing. - Really? - No, I'm saying because it's just like, yo, I could burn all y'all motherfuckers. I'm the best. - And your hands are lethal weapons, probably, from all those movies you've been watching. - But that's hip-hop. Like, that's the ever-of-hip-hop when it was like, it was such a passion to be great, such a passion to be normal. And so when it started becoming music and making songs and all that, that sport did travel over. Now, it dwindled, and it led to damages in the '90s, of course, you know, thinking about parking in a bag, you know what I mean? I think it ended admirable with Jay and Nas, you know what I mean? They actually ended up working together. - That ain't got me, that one got very mean. - Yeah, but they ended up working. And then we get to Drake and Kendrick. It was like, well, it hasn't been nothing really in a while. And then this becomes not just fucking hip-hop, bro. This became world news. Like, like, you could be watching fucking the view. And the ladies at the table talking about Drake and Kendrick. Like, hold on, what? He came like a boxer, sir. - Yeah. - All right, I passed you the mic, sir. - Anyway, I'll fall in a big heart, though. - Well, I thought in the third round, family's bad, is he? He switched up the flow for a time. The way that fat, the way fat 40-year-old white guys with beards were taking-- - That's not the same, but the same as that. - They were like, well, if you manalize, you know, the cadence of the flow and the fourth round, I'm gonna give this one the shut up. Shut up. - I got to ask you a question, bro. Why is the MPC here on the floor? The MPC went thousand. - All right, I was smoking a Corona Dutch master blood in college with R.E. Stern over there. And we're listening to Arthur's scene by Christopher Cross and we're like, someone should drop this into a, you know, you know this song? ♪ When you get lost between the moon and New York City ♪ - You know, it's crazy. - Of course, I just played Christopher Cross. I just did a yacht rock show. - Really? - The series XM. - Really? - Yeah, they say, I'm gonna be the guest DJ. No, he wasn't there. - Do you know what happened to him? - They thought he was gonna be next, up next and then then-- - One album. - But it was before there was like, then his face, they said-- - What happened? He gained weight of some shit? - No, they said he wasn't. People saw that he wasn't handsome. - No, I see one of the shit on the guy. He made him laugh. - No, I see this documentary, bro. ♪ Feeling, feeling the way, the way down, go, go, do, do, do ♪ - You can knock that, kid. - Dude, I love that. With the flamingo, the green, whatever, sailing? - Yeah, yeah. - Right. - Oh, you're on the way to Mexico, right? Yeah, you're on the way to fuckin'. Mexico. You proposed in Mexico. - I proposed, yeah, I break. - Makes sense, yeah, yeah. - I see the Christopher Cross connects and has a comment. - I did it for care. - That's all coming together. - I'm on the run. (laughing) - Wait, so like. - Okay. - So Harry put these samples on his NPC. - I don't know, I mean, we loaded it, and I-- - What's he wanted to do? - I mean, it's kind of offensive. I mean, it's like, I'm saying, like, I'm gonna make George Martin make a new Beatles song for me. (upbeat music) - Yeah, what's with that? (laughing) ♪ You can do, do, do, do, do, do, do ♪ - He knew, he knew already. (upbeat music) - How did, that's exactly-- - Grabbing tits. (laughing) - Wait, that was literally what we were saying, that if you loop the best that you can do, - Right. - I mean, it's kind of a joke. - Yo, somebody should do that, yo bro, do it. - Can you do it? - Can you do it? - Do it, do it. - No, no, not me, 'cause-- - Please. - That was called more when I do it. (laughing) - This is too free, as an exercise. - Are you gonna get demonetized? - Oh, I don't give a fuck. - Wait, you ain't gonna listen. They're gonna edit all this shit out your shit, bro. - No, who's they, the rabbis? No, they're not gonna say anything for me. I'm on to them, I'm on to them. - This is gonna be like-- - I saw what you did to Michael. Not gonna do it to me. - You're gonna play his content. It's gonna be like, this content has no fucking audio. - Just, just, but if you were, just a baby, we'll edit it out, but if you were-- - I'm gonna do it another day and sit there. - What about it, which is maybe-- - But yo, that's yo-- - It's a great moment in talk show history, right? - It's up, yeah, listen, I'm gonna say this. It's a good shot, bro. I think you gotta-- (upbeat music) - Oh, that's simple. Let me see, hold on. - And then maybe pitch it up, like a little bit. - Yeah, pitch it up. - And you gotta pitch your velocities at four level. - On your MP. - Exactly, that's what I was like there. It's just a button, you know, man. - And then you got-- - And then yo, look, if it's off, it's this. Like that, but you hit it here. - Don't tell you hit it, you know, man? - That's my way of life. - If they take it off-- - If they're putting it on one shot, you gotta know on, you gotta know on pulse and shit, bro. - Oh, you changed it in the program, wasn't it? - I know, yeah. I'm telling you, I'm telling you that you post a had-ass shit. If you wanna be in the program, I post a had-ass shit ready to go. - All right, I thought you would have the program, but don't forget. - Well, we wanted it, you changed it, you changed it. - This is the best day of my life. - All right, so-- - He got it off velocity. - Yeah. - Anyway, wait, wait, wait, wait. - No, back to another question, bro. - Just you can rest in the pads of Mr. Ari Stern's MPC, man, what a moment. What a moment for-- - What a story. - What a moment for us, man. - When people talk about energy, recovery, performance, they usually jump straight into training protein or supplements, but one of the most overlooked pieces is gut health. If your gut is not dialed, everything else struggles to work the way it should. And that is where Momentsis Fiber Plus comes in. 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That's where I got these, too. But I found out that that's where a Dallas business man gets them and not the real cowboys. Well, we don't got horses. We don't have horses. We got a-- We just pass through. We're just fucking passing through, of course, dude. We're just two guys living life. They pass through. Not the money guys over here, which is living. We're the artists. Exactly. Well, one thing that was-- I said to you before the show, there was like, I had no idea. The inflection point that we're kind of referencing before was like, you caught a charge in 1983. With a charge of the '91, you caught the charge. Yeah, you were-- I got acquitted in '92. The acquitted in '92, yeah. And Wu Chen comes in '93. How do you do-- how is 36 chambers of the first? How is it so perfect, immediately? I think-- thank you for saying that for us, Santa's perfect. But I think that what happened is that it's years of us trying. So in my hood, there's tapes that's floating around. Even someone in lyrics on 36 chambers is referencing songs you never heard. But only people heard it was the people in our projects. So by the time you meet Wu Chen, right, this is used-- I use myself as an example. You meet me on 21, 22 years old. I've been writing lyrics since I was nine years old. So now you don't matter, a guy who's been doing the shit 10 to 12 years. That the ran through New York City and now that-- Yeah. But even though I'm a kid, you know what I'm saying? So then the jazza, doing it even longer and stronger. So that's why I come to his verses on that first album. He probably got some of the best verses on the first album because he was the best of us, you know what I'm saying? And then you see methods a couple of years younger, ghost a couple of years younger. But by the time you get the Cuban links, like, oh, shit. Now they get in their 10, 12, 13-year mark, you know what I mean? So 36 chambers is capturing. These dudes write approaching mastery level, some of us were at mastery level, some of us were advanced regardless. You know what I mean, like nods, I call them an advanced MC. - He was 19, right, when he made-- - Yeah, but he was 16 when he was already considered like your old fuck is this one. - In Queens. - Yeah. - So that kind of energy. So, but going back to it, what you were saying far as the story and the point, and this is not funny, you can make a joke out of it, but-- - I'm not going to. - That's yours. - I refuse, okay. - So, from the time that I stopped being a negative, motherfucker, you know what I mean, which was April 22nd, wasn't even a year later, bro, that I was able to be platinum. - Yeah. - And, but before that, every time I try to do something, which was mostly negative, shit was failing. - Yeah. - And so, I always tell young people that, yo, positive is not an easy role. Like, you look at meth and meth with muscles, that ain't come overnight, bro. You got to go to the gym, bro. Go work out, you know what I mean? Work your material out, bro. And don't be deterred, because something that could easy tell you to turn left and fuck up all the shit that you, the true calling. And for me, art was my true calling, even though I was trying to be everything else, but an artist. - Yeah, it's just like, you have to catch L's, probably, to get better. - Yeah, all you got to catch, no, you, well. - You got to fuck up a bunch of times before, like, you have to work your ass off. You got to work your ass off, but you don't got to fuck up. I tell people that, like, you don't got to go through hell. I went through hell. - I've been through hell. - Yeah, yeah, me too, bro. All right, we been through hell. Now, I wouldn't say. - Anybody else who got to go through hell? I'm saying, whatever hell it is. - Yeah, yeah. - Right, when you have your son, you ain't gonna want him to go through your hell. His hell got to be, you going through your hell, then you ain't gonna do your job. - God forbid, yeah. - Yeah. (laughing) - I like the idea of being alive. - But you feel me, though? - I feel you, well, 100%. - Yeah, so my son didn't go through my hell. I know that for a fact. - Sure. - I said, he's most laid back, nah, it's a lot. He wakes up at one and a half to no one. (laughing) - You think they were like rich kids, you know? - Oh. - Your kids, right? - You know what? 'Cause you grew up in the projects, right? - Right, yeah. - And you're like, you guys are fucking pussy. - It's like, no, I wouldn't say. - Well, I wasn't saying about that. - I wouldn't call them that, right? - Yeah. - You're just like, well, come on, you can't bear yourself for a voice. - You know, no, they're rich in heart. - They're rich in heart. - They got you in love. - They got rich in heart, but they didn't have to be, you know, I met a dude, and I talked about this dude a lot. But, and I know he respect me to talk about him. He's a serious dude, you know what I mean? Did his time, did his crime, did his time. - Mike Tyson? - Nah. - This dude is deep. Well, I'm gonna say his name. But he told me that while he was in jail, he read one of my articles that came out, whatever, in one of these magazines. Well, I was like, yo, at the end of the day, I'm a fucking nerd, bro. - Uh-huh. - Right? You giving me some electronic shit? It's when I saw this shit, I was like, yo, ready to pick it up. Give me a comic book. - Uh-huh. - Right, so this dude, he was in jail with another dude who was in there for murder. - Yeah. - And he probably shot about multiple people. This guy is like, he's a super motherfucker, man. - Jesus. - But at the end of the day, when they were talking to each other, they said, yo, at the end of the day, this dude could fix, compute, this dude was a nerd. - They're both nerds. - Exactly. - Yeah. - They gangster's now, they were gonna twist it. But they know, the gangster is the, is a, is part of the, uh, the environment made you have to be that. - Yeah. - The circumstances made you have to be that, you know what I mean? It's almost like, uh, um, um, yo, bro, I'm a vegan. - Right. - Right? - But, pause. - Yeah. - If I got a fucking, why'd I say that, why'd I say that? - He's doing it, he's doing it, he's doing it. - Yeah, I don't know why I said that. - That's okay. - I'm a vegan, though, but check this out. - Why would it, what, where do I get the confidence? - It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a good tough, bro. I'm eating meat, kid. - Yeah, sure. (laughing) - Sure, sure, sure. (laughing) But, this guy's stupid. (laughing) - Wow, it's a mess in your life. - Hold on, hold on, hold on. - No, no, no, no, no, you, no, I got, the nigga say pause, right? It's so funny. - Somebody else could be like, yo, fuck it, nigga, we won. - It's the middle, there was one, there was one, uh, I just, I like this guy. - Do you know every, do you know every, do you know every affiliate's name? - Ooh, that's a good one. - You can't possibly know. - I don't think I could do that. But, let's fuck 'em out. - Let's see what you got. - Wait, by the way, at our Jewish summer camp, a Wu-Tang affiliate came and performed, like, they were like, "Oh, remember your old remedy?" - "Rimney Kane?" - He did never again for us. (laughing) - Holy shit. - Yeah, and like, there was like, like, that's beautiful. - For a Becca Goldstein, we're like grinding, it's like, for him as a gig, for him as a gig, yeah, to a, to a, to a, to a holocaust song. Also, you had a guy named WarCloud aka the holocaust. - His name was holocaust, holocaust, yeah. - Then, then I was like, yo, you might wanna shift that. Then he went, war, then he went holocaust, yeah. And holocaust died last year. - He died, yeah, yeah. - Do you know who knows holocaust is like, Barbados, who is my Seth Rogen, though? - Seth Rogen's friends with holocaust? - No, he's not friends with holocaust. But he, yo, he knew that, when I first met him, he dropped that 16 like it wasn't shit. - I mean, it's a thing that we would know if you had a guy named holocaust. (laughing) - The holocaust died last year, after October 7th and everything. I can't believe he caught me, caught me. You have a guy named Dexter Wiggles? - Oh, you know Dexter Wiggles? - I'm reading the funniest names that I found. - I'm like, oh, like this. How do you know Dexter Wiggles? - 'Cause I read a list of all the 3,000 Wu-Tang, I feel like, how do you even join? How do you, how do you, how do you, what's the-- - Well, give me some more names first. - Cheesy rat. - Then that guy didn't make it, but I don't know him. - Now, now you're going into the unknown chart, it shit. - Rap master one, that's a terrible name. You sure? - I don't know that one either. He didn't make it. - Yeah, polite, so I like it. - Yeah, polite made it. - And polite is, that's the nicest, polite. - Yeah, polite is the, he's my man. - Yeah. - Give me another one. - I would say, please, and thank you. (laughing) - And excuse me, spanky splash. - Wait, hold on, hold on. - Shorty shit stain. - There's a shorty shit stain. (laughing) - He's not having no serious. You know what, no, no, a shorty, yo, yo. (laughing) - Yo, my nigga, hold on, listen shorty shit stain. - No, I wouldn't ever-- - First one's my cousin. - I'm a big, that's your cousin? - Yeah. - I'm a big fan, yeah. It's just a funny name. - Yo, shorty shit stain. - Shorty shit stain, yo. - What is it, what is it, what is it? Is it me who's the poopest man, is there something? - I am kind of shorty shit, no mind is-- - Give me another one. - The coward. - Wait, no, no, who's the cow, and that's not in it, bro? - I heard crazy allegations against this one guy. - No. - Like, these parties where they were like abuses, there's a guy named T. Diddy. (laughing) - No, no, no. - Did you see the trial? - No, I didn't, I didn't see that. - How do you have this monster if you're a kid, that's one of-- - He's stupid, yo. - T. Diddy. (laughing) - Well, he's an impersonator, bro. - But that's a real guy? - No. - No, no. - Someone just put T. Diddy on the list? - Yeah, give me another one. - Azy addict? - That's funny. - No, azy addict, bro. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. - That's two on the nose for like a booze, hang on really. (laughing) - That's a guy. - Stomach with a K, don't know him. - Mike Boston. (laughing) - And it's not like microphone with a C, it's M-I-K-E Boston. - You know what, I don't know-- - I don't know, but-- - Man, it's the first of my hood that motherfucker named, but I don't know him. - Okay, what you got? - Belichick brought a lot of rings to the city. - Who? - No, no, I'm just thinking of Mike Boston. - Oh, I thought that was a name. - There's a guy named D-L? - Yeah, on the D-L. (laughing) - Give me another one. - I heard some things about D-L and the Holocaust with it. (laughing) - Uh, Legion of Skanks? - Nope. - Zach Amico? - No, you get some shit now, bro. - Sagar? - Nope. Sagar is one, it's one of the list. - I don't know if it was-- - Cheesy rat. I told you, bro, no cheesy rats, well. I think it is. He was in the chunky cheese band, wasn't he? (laughing) - Oh! (laughing) - Yeah, yeah. I'm an animatronic band. - I'm going to ask him, what was that shit? - That was so sick. - Well, first of all, every time you take your kids day, they come back home sick. - Yeah, well, they're disgusting, die of it. - They're just food. - But it was, fuck. - Black as Billy the Kid. - He's cool? - I don't know black as Billy the Kid. (laughing) - Well, there's a cousin Billy. - Cousin Billy. - Yeah, you got that on there? - No, I mean, there's more on the-- - He got some shit. - I pulled some selects. - There could be some good ones, bro. - I mean, good ones, what, shorty shit say? (laughing) - What are the best I've ever heard? (laughing) - Well, okay, let's go back to the list, okay? (laughing) - The Holocaust, it's so funny. - Insane. - Let me say to my Holocaust real quick, right? - Yeah, all right. - So, I'm sorry for your loss. - No, I'm a rest in peace to Holocaust. - Toh Holocaust. - But, yo, bro, I ain't seen for years at one point, right? And then I saw him. He came to the studio. I was working on Afro-Samara. I said, "You know, I'm gonna have him come do a song." He showed up to the studio. He had a long coat on, bro. And he had a fucking duck in his pocket. - Why? - I don't know, bro. He pulled out a duck and started petting this motherfucker, bro. - I'm like, "What the fuck?" - What's the science? - What drove us that? - I said, "What the fuck is a pet?" - Wait, how do you have a fucking pet duck in your pocket, bro? Like, like. - How do I, wait, like how do you like, do you guys have like a barbecue or something to get together, it's like a family reunion? - No. - Do you have a three-legged race or like a sack of race for all the Wu-Tang affiliates? - Not yet, well. - How do Ari and I become? - We gotta chop this beat and send it to him. - Yeah, they chop this stuff so I'm gonna give you this. - This is two more names in this, this gonna out of this chamber. - What's this guy's name? Falling down, that's me, that's so me. That is so me. - I sit. - What's a Fuji, Fresco P, Gab, Gotcha, G-Clef, G-Flex, G-No? - Holy pig, Gab gotcha on there. - Goldie Mac, who's that? - You don't even like it. - I know Gab gotcha. - There have to be some guys here that you're like, that guy. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was, he was, he was starving. - Gab, Gotcha, that's like a pedophile. (laughing) - Gab, Gotcha, he was fine, it says. - He was a nice guy. - But yeah, Goldfinger, Goldfinger was actually a producer. - You know who Goldfinger did, y'all? He produced a song called "Fabytales" that was the first song, I think, that Kelly, a police was on. - Oh, really? - Yeah, he kind of, he kind of bought copies of it. It's on the grave diggers. I remember "Fabytales". You know the grave diggers? - All right, yeah, we'll go with grave diggers. That was with Prince Paul, right? - Yeah, we're Prince Paul on them. - That was, horror core, is that what they call it? - That's what they call it. - Scary. - It's dark, it's dark. Spooky. (laughing) - It's kind of like, do you think that Jay-Z verse on monster was horror core? When he's like, "Goblins, ghouls, spookies". (laughing) Things that go bump in the night, scary things, nightmares. - So, he made it sound like the $25,000 permit question, though, right, the guys were like, "Days that go bump in the night, things that. " - Wait, wait, what's it called? - The fairy tales? - The fairy tales on the grave diggers album. - But that's not a very grave diggers thing. A fairy tales, a nice thing. - Yeah, but if they thought he needed dark, well. - All right. - All fairy tales was dark. Brother Grims. - Wow, you look handsome on the cover of this. - So, that's a nice picture. - Oh, thank you. - Yeah. - Paul's time. (laughing) - Wait, I can't compliment my friend. - Wait, so who produced this? - And you know, that's the first one I've ever said, Paul's in my life, well. - Really for me? - Yeah, I never said it's not. (laughing) - Wait, gold fingers, all right? - So, so Gap, grabby, what's the-- - No, no, Gap got to, we left him behind. - He didn't, he produced no gold finger did this one. - Wait, can I ask you a question? What is the understood thing about "36 Traimmers" was fueled by, that is a cocaine album. Is that correct, or is that just a-- - What do you mean by that? - Possibly. - But I was doing a cocaine. - But it sounds like everyone's just fucking hands. - No, no, no, no. - No, no, no, no. - That's a myth. - That's some gossip mongers. - That's a myth. - You guys got to deal with these-- - Yeah, you got to deal with that. - How about the money guys deal with some of these gossipy, gossipy women? - I'm not a cocaine head, don't sniff coke. Too cool to sniff coke. - They said that it was fueled by, I mean, it sounds like-- - They might have been wrapping a heart. - They might have meant like, because we had no money, the money that we did have could have came from-- - That's totally different. - The pharmaceutical business. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So maybe the pharmaceuticals, they would talk about that way. - That scene. - That scene. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm gonna have to be Fauci. (all laughing) One thing I like about the solo records you produced afterwards is that there's a distinct identity. You're kind of in you being a tour, directing a film. To Cal is like, he's just fighting against the beats that you're making, right? Then there's like, I think for Iron Man, there's a lot more soul stuff there. - Yeah, not a soul. - You kind of directed each of their movies. - Well, that's a producer you should be able to do that. You should be able to hear, feel the vibe of the artists and compliment them. - Yeah. - And also you should be able to make sure that you're not doing the same thing over and over. One of them, I'm gonna say this to you, like as you got your NPCs, one thing I try not to do, right, was repeat myself. But not realizing that, which is cool for me, but all the footprints I'm leaving, all the motherfuckers is picking them up. - Yeah. - You know what I mean, if Methamant doesn't do to Cal, there's so many rappers that don't exist. - Sure. - Even though Methamant will never do an album or those flows again. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? So, here are the soul samples, like after-after, there'll be tears or shallow boxes in the audices, all that sped up shit. But then by the time you get the Bobby Digital, I'm using all electronic equipment. I'm not even using samples. So, the point is like, you wanna grow as an artist, right? - Yeah. - You know, realize that sometimes your fans just want you to do this? - Yeah, my fuck. - Right, and then sometimes you'll realize that, you know what? Or you don't wanna do that no more? - Mm-hmm. - I'll do it. And so many other people are now doing that because you already sold, like, like, say, let's say I'm saying, yo, everybody loves donuts, right? And I'm like, yo, you know what? I ain't selling donuts no more. They're making my motherfuckers fat, trying to help these kids. - How dare he say that? - I'm moving over to this. - Do you think Dylan was promoting obesity? - You think Dylan was promoting obesity? - No. - That's a fast, fast brain. - But what happens now is that you don't do it. - Somebody else does it, well. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That one was beautiful. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, I love Dylan. - I was at the, in DC, at the African American History Museum, they have his NPC that he made donuts. - Yeah. - But he was in the hospital, right? What was that? - Yeah, Dylan was beautiful, man. - Who do you see? Like, who, do you have baby bros? Like producer-wise, that like, you were there, like kind of, kind of, I don't know, sensei. - That was fast, too. That would end up, kind of, it works. - I like that. - No, I mean, when you call them a cause, people that say they learn from the result, they study the result, they'll let you know, you know, man. - Yeah. - Do you give them, was there anyone younger that you could give feedback to, or like, looked up to you, and like, - Well, I've dropped beat machines and keyboards on so many people, you could forget it, but. I'm the hip-hop guy that was in Germany, when Germany didn't have hip-hop. I gave kids five grand, ten grand, told them to go start it. - Yeah, really? - And then left them alone. So, that's a whole 'nother chamber about me. - Was Kanye, did Kanye look up to you? - Yeah, Kanye was. - 'Cause I see kind of a lineage there. - No, no, he said that, you know, he learned the light from the, from the Abbott, the Supreme Clientel album was very, very inspirational to me. - What? - As well as, just, you know, just, you know, yeah. I mean, he once said that, I don't wanna talk about Kanye like that, but he once said that, you know, they asked him, "Who was your hero?" And he said, "Nervisa." - Yeah. - You know, I mean, so that's respect. But, I respect them as a genius and as a brother. - I think as a talent. - Dooster, he doesn't get enough credit. Honestly, I think he's one of the best. - He does a lot of credit, bro. - But I think people know more as a, I think people know more as a famous anti-Semite, but I'm like, I think-- (laughing) - Have you heard the late registration, for instance? No, you've done, like, as a-- - Oh, that's a, you stupid, bro. - I'm not, and the apology, you didn't even need to apologize. Yeah, I've loved you and I just want you to be okay. You're my hero, I love you so much. And it didn't really even hurt. And you know what, it kind of was not bad for us because it seemed like you were having a tough time and so it made anti-Semites seem like a product of someone having a tough time instead of something that all the signs are-- (laughing) - That's crazy. - Cut all that, cut all that. - They're not gonna cut, not in this-- - The money guys, they're like, we're putting you on our-- - Yeah, but not called you stupid, though, but-- - I'm one of you. - Hey Adam, I call you stupid. - It's a problem, yeah, yeah. - Yeah. (laughing) - No, you know that. - No, when you date like a Latina, she's like, you stupid. - Yeah, it's cute. (laughing) - That's good. That's like my dream girl kind of girl. Honestly. (laughing) I mean my-- - Do you ever have a New York Latina as a date? - I, I, you can't talk now, I can't talk now. (laughing) - Yo, no, they're the best, bro. Let me say some other New York Latina. So you can just know. - I wanted to talk about this, yeah. - They're just special, bro. - They are. - Yeah, man, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that's all I gotta say. - They're amazing. Shout out to all the Latina in New York City. - Yeah, beautiful people. You can do your thing, we love you. You guys are awesome. (clapping) - It really does feel great to be called "Stupid" though. It's like, whoa. (laughing) I am being stupid right now. You, you know, I think you've done kind of everything. (laughing) Right, you've done like everything in kind of-- - Art, art, art, art, art, art. - Art, like in music and movies, you've kind of like done all the things. I mean, you haven't been like a best boy or a grip before, maybe you have, I don't know. - No. - You weren't like a teamster driving a truck, but like, no, you've acted, you've written, you've scored films, actually movie scores, like, like approaching a film score, like, what differentiates the process? Does it feel like you're just making an album? - When you're working as a composer, you're working for the "Vatiment of the Film" and you're working at the "Service of the Film." - Yeah. - At first I thought I was working for the "Service" of the director. I realize, no, it's not for the director. It's his vision, but you have to serve that film. And so it's a different approach, because it's really, you've got to have a skill set, an ear set, and an ability to do it, but it's not just about coming in and making a fucking beat. Well, what I had to do to try to understand it, was I went back and studied Peter and the Wolf. So when Peter and the Wolf, Um, every instrument represents a character, yeah, yeah. And so the flute was the bird, right? The trabones were the, was the wolf and all that. So once I understood that, and that's going back, basically the classical, going back to opera, going back to sweets, as they were called the Nutcracker Suite, et cetera. So I studied that first, and then I understood that I can kinda do that with characters, and I can kinda do that with inanimate objects in a film. Yeah. It helped me, but even after that knowledge gets you, it doesn't matter, right? I was right in the scene, um, in Kielbjell, I was right in the scene, and I thought I had it, and I showed it to Quentin, he was like, no, that's not it. Yeah. Now, that shook me because I'm the Rizsa. Right? And at the time, it was like, it was, what I did was probably considered undeniable, but it wasn't good for that film. And then I did it again. This went on for two weeks, bro. Uh-huh. Then it was like, no, that's not it. You haven't had it collaborating a while, I imagine, right? You've been like-- What I haven't been at-- What I haven't been at, right? You know what I've been at, service. See, collaboration is one thing. As service is even higher than collaboration. So then, maybe on the week three, I'm just in there doing, I'm doing, and he broached it into the room. And it was like, that's it. And I was like, okay, understood. Like, it's not impersonal. It has to serve the film. Yeah, yeah. Different process. I mean, that score is awesome. It's a different process, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what have you enjoyed, like, like-- I guess you're getting into what, you're-- It's your fourth-- It's my fourth decade. Fourth decade in-- I'll think of this in my fourth, pizza film. Your fourth feature film? But it's kind of your fourth decade in making art. Slow that down, slow that down. Kind of-- Yeah, I got signed. Yeah, I'm called an approaching. Yeah, that's not the teenager. So I guess, like, you kind of answered this question a little bit earlier. But like, you shouldn't grow complacent and just do the same thing over and over again. You grow restless, and you want to change and evolve over time. Like, what's in your belly right now? Like, what's motivating you right now? Cinema. Cinema. Yeah, I want to be-- I want to add to the catalog of cinema some great work that even 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, 100 years for now. Somebody could pick it up and look at it and go, yo, that's some shit, yo. You know, I remember doing the pandemic when everybody was stuck at home. I discovered burnt landcaster. You know, burnt landcaster? Yeah, of course. Yeah, and it's just like-- I'm watching movies that I've never seen before. And it's like, it's fucking inspiring. I'm getting shit, you know? I discovered-- Have you seen local hero? Local hero. No. Is that the one that he's in the last film? Local hero. Who's the guy, the old guy, the-- [INAUDIBLE] I'd assume that one, though. Cut it if I'm wrong. Cut it if I'm wrong. Fast, fast, don't stop. He is. Yeah, yeah. It's his last performance. It's an unbelievable movie. Very slept-on flick. I've got to see that. Local hero. Local hero. Yeah. One of my favorites. It's in a category which I call for the fellas, where it's like, if you're like at a bar with your friends, you're like, you know, let's watch Moneyball right now, right? Let's watch Master Commander right now, right? And then you go home and you're literally dapping each other because you're like, that's what it's all about. Yeah. Brotherhood. Local hero is definitely like that slap shot. Yeah, Wolf of Wall Street. It's just like, that's shit. That's shit. Wolf of Wall Street. What a fucking masterpiece. So good. Let's go. What point I'm making, like, okay. So this is Wolf of Wall Street as an example. Wait, you were saying you're studying Lancaster, though. No, no, yeah. I was just saying, like, I'm going to use the same thing. I was going to say my birth. I'm going to say it by Leonardo and Scorsese and Wolf of Wall Street. But when you go watch the 50 years later, bro, yeah, you're going to be at the table, bro. Right. And so my ambition now, I did it in music, whether I thought I did it or not, I know I did it now because there's just the blue tangas in the rock and roll of fame. So I did it in music. Yeah. I want to try to do that in film. I want to try to have some films that you're like, yo, I got to see this. Tell somebody, you got to watch that. For whatever it does for you, you know what I mean. Once we're in the chocolate, maybe that's the one that fucking make you think about relations, right? You know, man with the Iron Fist, which we watched that recently in California, bro, it's really almost the first black superhero movie after Blade. But I didn't know that. You see what I'm saying? So cinema, I think, is my way as an artist now. What about Blank, man, with Damon Williams? Have you seen that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was a superhero. It's a very funny movie. Yeah. Have you seen it? Someone. He's just being like, he's just being gay. I don't know. He's great. Now, I'm trying to think of black superheroes. I keep going, sorry. Yeah. OK, you off. No, let's say that's all good. But like, yeah, you asked me what I want to do with it. I realized that until you saw the Iron Fist. Yeah, no. In my belly, the question, ladies and gentlemen, the question is, what's in my belly? Yeah. In my belly, it makes cinema that can last and stand to test the time and inspire future generations. And I'm going to be striving to do that the way I did with music. Yeah. Yeah. And you're hungry and vicious. Yeah, ambitious about it. We have a new company called 36 Cinema. Oh, cool. And we are-- you know, like you guys are doing your own thing, we're doing our own thing. And look, let me say this out loud to you. Podcasting, right? Your comedian. It's a talk show. Yeah, complete. Right. I'm just saying, talk shows. Talk shows, podcasting, broadcasting. All these things have given outlet's of voices and made it easier. Yeah. Right? And then they become a point where, you know, you're a fuck that. But we've got our own cameras, our own fucking lights. We do this shit the fuck way we want to do it. Yeah. Cinema is hard for that to happen. Even though AI is here, it's hard for it to happen at the level that it projects on a big fucking scale. You need a lot of people there. Yeah. It's really a lot of energy. I'm trying to simplify that and trying to open the door for that for-- so that it's not a dirty hurdle race. It's only 10, 12. Yeah. Yeah. So that's one of my-- It's a stream line production process. Yeah. And the distribution process, you know what I mean? In a positive way, though. Well, if I make money, if I make a smile and more art is shit. You're the best. I want you to know that. I mean, this has been the best. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. I like-- you're like-- I think-- Yeah. You're-- I've been a fan for so long, and it's really cool. And especially meeting you is like you're just such a sincerely lovely person. Like, thank you for being here. Normal-- thanks a lot. There is a guy. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING]