[MUSIC] >> Be the right club, be the right club today. >> Yes, that's better than most. How about in? That is better than most, better than most. [MUSIC] >> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up live show presented by Titleist Ryan Fox is your open champion, solid here, just in shambles absolutely devastated by the final result. I'm going to let you guys do it. I'm taking it. I'm going to get right out in front of it before you guys do your whole bit, do your whole thing. Hello, DJ. How are you? >> Hey, I'm great, Solid. As hard as you've been on Foxy over the years, today's a day for celebration, you know. It's just- >> I'm going to put my beef aside tonight, pledge to you. All of my hate for Foxy, I'm putting aside completely tonight. All the ways he's rung me in the past, we are going to completely forget about all that and I'm going to give the guy his flowers tonight, okay? >> My God, what a day of sport, man. That's as good as it gets. I was a giddy. I was absolutely giddy watching that finish, can't wait to talk about it. >> Literally, the only thing I wish was that it wasn't like came young, whose heart he just ripped out. If it was someone else on the board, I think I would have been through the mood. I wanted to play off, but that was one of the most epic finishes we're going to see in a major. Of course, hello, T.C. >> Hello, Sali, just I'm happy to invite my guy to welcome my guy, Foxy, into the brotherhood. Not only the linksmaster brotherhood, the linksmaster at Berkdale, brotherhood. >> Incredible. >> Listen, if you've listened to this podcast for a long time, you know the jokes, you know the inside jokes, the bits, how far back some of the Foxy stuff goes. The fact that we were there a couple of months ago, taking fake clarity junk photos of T.C. That same bunker and fucking Foxy is your champion, golfer of the year is just I had such a fun time today. Can't explain it. 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Everything I just said is completely 100% true and not in the script for the record. They had this year on data golf that Ryan Fox gained 2.12 strokes on the field with his birdie par birdie finish the cops to that in major championship history. Keegan Bradley, 2.89 at the 2011 PGA, Payne Stewart, 2.51 at the 89 PGA, Nicholas did it with 2.4 at the 86 masters, Fowdo, Ram, that's the company that Ryan Fox is in with his birdie par birdie finish, including a bad bad boy rolling into the bunker on 17 and he could have birdie 17 as well because he recovered so nicely from that. Just an absolutely. He grabbed this thing. He grabbed this thing and took it when everybody else was fondering in the late wave. Yes, he did. It was unbelievable, man, TC, the floor is yours, this is your guy. I thought the up and down on 15 was the peak of just mental toughness going right in, splashed it right out. He plays so fast, he gets to it, he gets to his work, he doesn't ruminate, he's not bitching about it, getting a bad break, he goes in, he splashes it out, hits a great chip, makes the putt, gets up and down, and that just showed like the amount of heart and just resolve that that shows in the moment without feeling sorry for yourself one time is remarkable. And I felt like all day, he just like he wanted it, he wanted the moment, he hit the shots, man. I mean that was immense, right, and the approach to 17 and even the, and the approach to 16 and the putt on 16, even the T shot, he hit on 17, the roll in the bunker was like, maybe the wrong strategy, but he was doing exactly what he tried to do, he just rolled a foot too far and then hit a great punch out in a great approach from there, like he hit literally all the shots coming in. And I gosh, it's just hard to honestly think back to something that like close the door over like an hour like that, coming down the final three whole stretch of a major, like the last. And nobody else seemed to want it, right? Nobody else would just like, like there were plenty of opportunities for guys to make putts or, you know, hit the shot and nobody else seemed to rise to the occasion. And I would go back to Foxy 62 and the, the, the shot he hit out of the bunker on, you know, Saturday midday was like that shot out of the bunker on 18, like that is pushing all of your chips in, even before you realize you're at the final table, it's fantastic. I love, like I was, I was enthralled and invigorated watching that. I just love it when somebody goes out and wins it and they play to win and they're fucking fearless. I was so ready for a playoff, like I was looking forward to a playoff because I enjoyed this week so much. Like I don't want it to end. I wanted to keep going. And I'm in my head. I was like, there's no way he's going to breed, like nobody breed 18, but there's, there's no chance. And he just stepped up and it started with that T shot. I mean, you hear pro golfers talk about this all the time. I had great commitment. I was really committed to my shots. I've genuinely never seen more extra light from the outside looking in. You can just feel it through your TV screen. Like that guy is the most committed to that driver swing that I've ever, I was like an audible holy shit moment when that came off the clubface and credit to Sam Burns, who also hit an unbelievable T shot on 18 as well. Yeah. Then he stepped up and hit the mid-iron. He stepped up and hit the putt very quickly as he missed 22 seconds, 22 seconds after Burns got the ball out of the hole. Like it felt faster than that, that it's so ridiculous. It's just crazy. Those are the guy, like you just don't ever see that person win it, you know? It feels like, it just feels rare. It feels worthy. It was just, it was just awesome. That's kind of everything I'm, I'm looking for the open championship. And if you thought this was a clunker, as I heard people talking about, we're just not going to, we're not going to see things the same way and that's fine. But man, I, I just couldn't wet this while off my face all day. Can we just just summarize how incredibly unlikely this was? He was 750 to one at the halfway point of this tournament. Justin Ray had it. He was T 56, 552 after 36 holes and it is the largest 36 hole comeback by position to win a men's major in history. In the history of the game, nobody has been farther back at the halfway point in one of major. It was Ryan Fox in an open championship, like there's just an absolutely unimaginable sequence of events over the last two days. And it's incredible too that there's, there's four guys shot 62 this week and the winning score was minus 10, like three, sorry, sorry, three guys shot 62 this week and the winning score was minus 10. I think that's a credit to Berkdale of like, it's, it gives and it takes and it's, and it ebbs in it flows and it keeps you honest and it may not be like people getting punished out of the rough. Like, you know, a lot of people want to see, but I thought even like Sam Burns on the stretch today, that rough up the right side of 17 or 18 like that was, that was, I think I was on 17. That was serious rough. Like, it's, it's just a little nicks and scrapes that kind of add up over the course of a week, which is, I think, what we were hoping for as well. But back to Foxy, man, I just, I think like it's, it's very rare that like you talk to people, you know, in New Zealand, in the States, in the UK and to a man, everybody's like, dude, he's like the nicest guy you'll meet. Like he's just, he's a sportsman, his like, like his, his dad's a legend is like, like, he comes from a great family and he, I don't know, it's just, it's like it's good to see good people win stuff like this. It doesn't always happen and like, there's just, he just seems like a proper dude's dude, like he just, he just seems like a pint, you know? The complete opposite of a pampered fuck, like, and like, the complete opposite of the modern tour pro in terms of just, you know, the way he carries himself and just the simplistic way, I don't know much about him. I don't know him at all, but like just the relatively simplistic way he carries himself and just matter of fact, way he plays the game and handles himself with media and you just have never heard a bad thing about him. It just makes it, I don't know, doing, doing all that in the final group too is just something else, man. I mean, that's what we were talking about last night. He shot 62 when it was the getting was good yesterday morning in a completely different environment. Then shot the 68 today in the final group, watching Sam Burns have all kinds of problems right next to him. And a lot of guys, you know, I have no all the weighting ahead of me.
do with the guys in front of them, it just, uh, that was a major we're going to remember for, for quite some time. Incredible run of major winners we've had over the last three. But last I'll say, I want to say on that on those 62's TC, and we talked about this a little bit early in the week, but if you don't listen to all the shows during the week, it's like, it wasn't like there were 62's and like 63's right behind it and 60 in a group of 64's right behind it. Like the 62's were that, and I get some people don't like those scores. That's fine. I'm not going to try to convince you what to like, but I would say to that is like, to your point about complimenting Bertel, the fact that it at least offers that up makes for really interesting watching. Like you can go, when Cammy Young got on offense today, it was like, Oh, dude, he could get this hold now. He could get this one. And then when you start struggling, like Burns was today, I was like, Oh, God, he's got no, like he's going to get, he's going to get boned by that hole that I thought canned good birdie because how good he was hitting it. The line was in the really, really, really good place with Bertel, I think. And yeah, I kind of get a little bit of the overreacting to the low scores, but man, I think this golf course held up and identified a proper champion. And the beefing up at that 18th hole kind of defined this tournament. Really, I mean, they Cammy Young drove it into a bunker that wasn't the same size in a little bit different location. Their prior and that cost him and he makes bogey. And we saw a ton of people struggle with that tee shot over the course of the last four days. And Foxy stepping up and striping that one and earning that birdie, man, that was that was theater. Like that was a really, really, really stern 18th hole, which is kind of what we've been asking for more at major championships. And he passed the test and it gave us a great moment. The got it. First of all, I got to credit the members for that bunker. Thank you to them. The, it's, it's, I think you said it very well. So I would like to, not all this, everything would felt very imperfection this week, where it's like, if you see a number on a leaderboard 62 that you don't like, you got to look at what else is going on around it. And Foxy's around yesterday was the best round of the day by three full shots. There wasn't a million 62s out there. Sandburn shot the second best round of the day way back in the afternoon and like deserved every square inch of it. It was just, if you're watching the shots, it was, it was awesome. If you're watching the leaderboard, I could see, it doesn't feel cheap. Yeah, nothing about it felt cheap. And he made every, Foxy made everything. Yesterday and kind of earned it. And you could kind of see as the tournament went on, how much harder it got to make putts, you know, all of those different things. It all just kind of felt like it was, it was all working together. And then you got, as soon as somebody got off, you know, off their run, like, came young, you said it got on a absolute heater this morning. And when he did miss, it was always like, dude, he's going to have to be creative in how he gets this up and down. And he's going to have to really earn it to keep the momentum going. And when you didn't do it, we saw what happened with Tommy, like he had a nice fiery start. And then you can get off the track pretty easily. So I was, see who came on the back where he had everything going and all of a sudden, just misses in the wrong spot on 16. And it's like, man, you're, you're done. Now your momentum is gone. You didn't, you're not going to answer the challenge. And Foxy just kept doing it over and over and going back to what you're saying earlier, too. I mean, he's, he's almost 40. He looks like a dad. You would see it Costco just like rocking up with a big thing of bottled water and a, you know, some discount booze or something. Like it's just, it's, I just love everything about it. He seems like, it seems like the entire world of golf, of professional golf is going in this direction. And Foxy is from so far over here that it's just, you, I don't know how you can do anything, but just have a massive smile on your face for it. He's, he's been through, he's like one of those guys that you look at and you're like, man, tell me, I would love to sit down and have some beers. Just tell me where your career started and all the twists and turns that it's, it's been through. All the different tours you've played, all the different bumps and grinds that you've had to do to, to get to this point. It's just, it's awesome. Man, I had nothing but respect for that kind of career. And he didn't start playing the game to lose 70 school. Yeah. Which is another answer to the modern. Yes. Guys, he made 458 feet of pots this week, number one in the field. I know that really gets gets right. You had two, three pots. Brandy just got a whole weekend there to hear that. But like I think the other thing with Berkdale is the sequence of holes. Like I love what they did with four today, where they bumped that, that pin up, they shortened the hole and was like, cool, like this is, it's a shorter hole, but this is a trickier spot or I thought six was great all week. I thought eight, eight great hole. And then like as it kind of ramps up, like that, that pressure ramps up and you don't get your first par five until until 14. And so you're just kind of like chomping at the bit, but then it's, it's a three shot. And 17 feels like last chance kitchen. And then you know, 40. Yeah. And then 18 is like, oh my gosh, like this is, all right, this is a, this is like trial by fire. Like I got to hit the shots. There's no shortcuts at all. And like you got to hit either you got a driver or you got to just hit a damn good second shot and play for par. And so for him to birdie 18 in that fashion was just, and like it was so cool to the way that all the fans, like I mean, he was saying, like they, they were just immensely in favor of him, but without diminishing every, like, you know, anybody that he was playing against, I think that that's, I don't know, it says something. I think best best fans in golf. It's truly like, like I think there's something that with him that resonated to the fans in Southport and that those don't seem like very easy people to bullshit. Totally. It just the shouts of come on Foxy lad to the 39 year old dad Bogg. It's just, that's it, man. It's just electric. Just putting stance. It's just, yeah, weird ass golf swing hitting the heaviest mid irons you've ever seen in your life. I mean, it's just killer. Never. Yeah. Led the field and putting for the entire week with that weird ass putting stance as well. Exactly. And, and sorry, I think one of the things I bristled out in the past with like the, like we've had some fun back and forth about the, the low stinger shot he hit it at a gust. And all that credit. This whole thing literally started was like, yeah, he had a really low shot. It was six shot into 11 is a really low shot, but it went over the grid with sick, but these guys freaked out back. See, that's a proper player right there. It wasn't even a good shot. I was just like, wait a second here guys like that. He airmailed the green. What are you talking about here? It's a future looking index. That is the basis of the proper player thing. But like, and I think, yeah, but, but I don't know, even beyond that, like, there's stuff that gets lost in the stats, right? Of like, you could look at his stats from various for events and say, like, oh, this guy is just a bombing gouge specialist. He's, and I think that's where, like, the quality of his iron plate, it's lost a little bit, right? And knowing how to hit the shots and, and, and having that full arsenal in your back. The, the counter to that and, and this is not me becoming the hater is like, well, he never top 10 in the major in his life prior to this. The track record is interesting. It's interesting. It's interesting. It's interesting. Of course, but he's never done it, right? Like, that's that wasn't even let him on the president's cup team. Which still pisses me off twice. He'll be on it this year and he'll be a fantastic fit for Medina. That's true. That's true. So, should we talk? Well, I was going to say one more thing on Burkdale. I've said this a couple times, but again, if you don't listen to every show, I feel like at least personally, I hope a lot of other people feel this way, but I've always had the English venues have always just kind of smushed together as like, there's the ones in Scotland. There's the ones Tiger one at. There's the ones, and then there's the others. I've always had a hard time discerning and I just, I hope Burkdale rose up in a lot of people's rankings this week like it did for me. I mean, I know it's, you gotta put, it's you can only go so high, right? Because they're also good. I know solid we've talked about that before, but it's it was just a place that I I just hadn't given full credit to in the past. And like you said, TC, the sequencing, the visuals with all the dunes. It's just like the best of it's, it's the best of links golf, man. It's it's got everything that you see in Scotland. It's got pieces of what you see in Ireland. It's in such a cool location. It's just I hats off to also think I think it's the best of championship links golf. Yeah. It helps to have seen it in the best possible you know, firmness that we could have possibly seen it in just baked out the whole week, got no rain this entire week. That was a unicorn kind of situation, but brought out a lot of a lot of really fun features in it. And like it's good too that it fits like the open profile. I get to good business open for the art. You know what I mean? Like some of these some really good golf courses don't fit the economic situation nearly as well. I'm like you kind of see some some like port rush. I like port rush, but like that is proven to be a quite an economic decision for the RNA to go there. And I don't know. I guess like a and like rhythm is not the most economic, but like to have a golf course that easily clears the the the level of championship play like to elevate this championship and also is really good from an economic standpoint is like and like straight up like Northwest England just gets better weather than a lot of areas of of Scotland and northern Ireland and a lot of other places to the point where like we were you know more likely to get those dream conditions like we got this time around and yeah we didn't get the win we wanted, but I don't know. Berkdale is Berkdale's you know pot a stamp it. I guess it's a the best venue in the Northwest England I think.
I think it clears Royal Liverpool for me a little unfair because we got rain at Royal Liverpool. I think it is, yeah, it is, but I still think like this one's, this one's, there's more to it. There's more, like I think the floor is higher for sure. Just the dunes with the crowd pops, like there was a vibe there. Like there was an atmosphere that came through the television that I think is harder on flatter links golf courses as much as it is. And it's dependent on which, which stream you were watching, or to say we call it hamster dam for a reason. T.C. We're not letting it infect the rest of the show. It was funny. I went back and I listened to our pod from, I don't know, it was a few years ago about like like us ranking the open rota venues in our person and listen, like a few takes, I wish I had back in there, but I was also really like, I was kind of in my own head too. I'm like, man, I think I'm just giving Burkdale way too much credit. I think, like I think I just, we just had a great day out there when we went out there the first time and it was great and you know, I'm kind of transfixed by the list of winners. And I feel like, now I feel like, all right, no, that was, that wasn't recency bias. That was actual based in fact. So. Yeah. Like I said, there's no bad venues. Can we talk, Cam? Guys, that was, that was a monumental round of golf. That was such an awesome round of golf. I was vibing with it from the very beginning. I don't even know if you guys were up yet. And I'm just blowing up this or slack thread. And we'll come from the second whole, all the sequence of events of Cam. I mess. I thought whoever he was playing with bang went off the stick almost equal to five and I thought it was Cam. I was really freaking out at that point, but just one of the most impressive builds of a golf round I've seen in terms of hitting incredible shots, making puts we needed to. But I think only like the 10, I think he missed a putt, a relatively short birdie putt. But all the misses he had coming in were in the exact right spots, getting it up and down. Got all the way to 10 under par. That was looking like a really, really, really good number. Didn't miss by much off the tee on 18. But again, the design feature of that whole got him goes into the bunker, tries to pull off the shot, went for the shot. That's the lip of the bunker, Ricochet's out, he ends up in the green side bunker, almost holds it to get in the house at minus 10, makes the par putt, it gets in at minus nine, ends up one, falling one shot short. But I am, I'm gutted for the dude. I mean, another runner up at the open championship. And just like the 73 yesterday was, was painful and really where it hurt. But it offered him the opportunity to get out in the golf course before the win picked up a little bit. And then the advantage of it when not a lot of other guys were doing it and just a really, really, really solid performance and the guy probably should have been in a playoff to win the open today. And just that putt leapt in on 18 for Ryan Fox. Yeah, it's, I don't know how to feel about it. It's on one hand, I'm like, I know there's more golf this year and it's only July 19th. But that was kind of the last, the last big one, right? And it's, it is good to see him end, quote, unquote, the year in the place that he should be, right? We saw him at the beginning of the year, nobody was hotter. We're debating like, is he the hottest player in the world right now type of stuff? Is he number two or number three kind of guy in the world and just weird dip into the wilderness mid year? And you just don't want, I don't know, you don't want that run to be over, right? Like I love seeing him as, as one of the three, you know, I'll say dudes, you want to see him as one of the three dudes in golf, the prodigal dude, perhaps, you know, he was wandering, but he came back home today. So it was good, it was good to see that. But at the same time, solid is a little bit of a like, man, how many, how many of these calls are we going to have? Like this is, it's got to break through at some point. Who, who, who want Aaron, right? One, Foxy, Foxy's a major champion. Like it is, but that's kind of what it's, it's why I think these watching somebody play golf for 10 years is so much more interesting than watching somebody play golf for a year. You know, it takes, it takes a while for this, uh, this build up to really hit a fever pitch. And I mean, I think it just makes it go into the, I, this is ridiculous because the master's isn't for eight months or whatever, but it's just makes going into the master's all that much better. Like he, he, he's starting to become the laser focus of when's it going to happen for this guy? Everything says it's supposed to happen and it hasn't yet. What is, what's going on? I just think that makes it really fun to watch. Yeah, I think it was this is 29th major championship, uh, this is a, er, I'm sorry, this is 29 years old. Uh, this is his 22nd major championship and his fourth top three finish in majors. Like it's, it's impressive, man, he's done, he's, he's, you know, he's finished top 10 and, you know, 33% of the majors more than that, uh, of the majors that he's played, five top five finishes, like, it's, uh, it's a really impressive record. He's, he's putting together and I thought I thought it was this day. I really did. Yeah. He spent a lot of time in the fedora five and I was just really glad to see the putter turn around today because I feel like with Cam, it's almost like you feel like, oh shit, we're regressing. We're regressing like the bad putters coming back out. Um, I'm just getting across this, this is, this is per Fraser Wilkin, uh, on Twitter, um, or ex the everything app. He's a golf coach down down in New Zealand. He said, hate to break the narrative. Foxie has not had a beer since he was 18 due to an allergic reaction. So there will be points of red flowing tonight. How about that? Interesting. All right. Never mind. I take back everything. He's not a bloke. Yeah. I, I, I think something else like if you win a major, especially the open, you win the open as an Aussie or a Kiwi or Argentine or whatever, I feel like the, the golf world owes you to, all right, you know what, we're going to come, a lot of guys are going to come play your national open, uh, the, you know, the next one that there is like, I feel like you're kind of the champions dinner. Yeah. I like that. I like that idea. I do like, I think when those guys win, it does feel even more like the world's open. I felt that same way with Cam Smith, right, and him talking about, you know, how much this is this, you know, it, yeah, it's the world's, the world's open. Everybody kind of puts that on the masters. I feel like with, with all the Norman close calls and everything, but I just, um, I don't know, I think that drives, drives that home a little bit more when, when one of these guys win. I would see. All right. So the, the beer thing doesn't work. That's fine. If you want to pull some, pull some points, I would recommend T.C. You mean for a high noon, a vodka Seltzer, you could grab a vodka iced tea, you could grab a tequila, Seltzer. No matter the occasion, high noon has something for you. I'm going to tangerine tonight. I always say this one tastes like Gatorade, um, orange Gatorade for me. This one's, this one's very good. This would definitely be a two, two, uh, two drink night. I got the cranberry one rating as well. 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He was hitting shots with like, I think you said a complete and utter commitment and like a, a true vibe of fearlessness. And I was trying to think about this like, you know, because you could be like, oh, some, you know, some mule one, some journeyman, you know, like why, why, why do I feel this way now and I didn't feel this way with Aaron Rye and no offense to Aaron Rye, but it's not, you know, he made that massive putt on what a 17, you know, it's like a lot of fireworks there. And I think it's just a lot of it's aesthetic for me, you know, the swing is unique. His age, nothing adds up, but he's just sending it. And a lot of times when a guy like that is in this position, it feels like the end of a soccer game, like a one nothing game and they're just, you know, distribution like plan keep away. And this felt like a suburban dad, New Zealand guy is doing his best Steph Curry impersonation of like the gold medal game. I mean, he's just like shooting bombs from deep. These irons are coming down right on the flag. He's doing things that nobody else in the final six group is six groups are able to do and he's, and he's like doing what he's intending to do. He's going to win the golf tournament and the aesthetic and how he did it is, is I think what matters to me. I think the other thing is I would not underestimate the pace with which he plays and what a contrast that is to all the mechanical bullshit we see from pros with how they get lined up and the shirt tucking and just all the, the 30 things on the pre flight checklist. And this guy's just like, no, man, I'm just going to step in there and I'm going to hit this ball and I'm going to hit it there. And then even when he's in that bunker and he's chipping out backwards on 15, he's making that decision like, all right, the decisions to play backwards, like not even I can do that, you know, you're going to like go through the five stages of grief. Like, well, maybe I could, what if I get down on one knee and what if I do?
do this and let me go, let me get a rules official and see if I can get some type of free drop. And it's like, no, I'm just going to hit it backwards and get up and down. So anyway, I just wanted to get that in because I, it was such a refreshing, just a refreshing win to see somebody do it like that. I was thinking about this. Neil, I was tweeting something about this too and we were talking about Cam Young and the shot in 18 and should have laid up, should have gone for it. Was that the right call? And there's just a lot of like big, strong men saying what a horrible decision, yada, yada, yada. I was just thinking about it. Maybe I'm watching too much baseball, but I just love seeing golf as a sport and I feel this with Foxy and everything you just said to where it's like, you can have all the analytics prep. You can have your whole game plan before it starts. But once the game starts, there's no one standing there with a big laminated sheet of all the potential outcomes and saying like, actually, you need to do this based on what's going on all around you. Just don't even think here's the play, you like, you just have to figure it out for yourself. And I just, I love the contrast of, or not even the contrast. I guess similarities of what cam had to do there, where it's like, no, you know what? I think this is a moment where I need to push my chips in and I granted, I think you just hit a bad shot yet a six iron, he was trying to open wide, wide open to try to get to the front of the green. I think you just hit it thin and hit it in the lip of that bunker. And same thing with Foxy, right? It's not like, it's not like anybody's out there being like, well, because of the back nine scoring average and because things are manipulating this way, this hole is actually there's a strokes getting advantage here, but you just got to hit the hole and just go for it. That was a late bearer today, I think, through, through both of those guys, X or, no, right there. You know, you got to get your stats right, TC, if you're going to try to, there's no X war. All right. Another thing. There's more. There's more. There's more commentary on me. But so I'm watching it. And his putting stance and the open feet, you know, is like, I got a buddy Matt, who towards ACL, like 95 times playing college football. And he's the only person that I know that has a stance like that. And he does it because he's ripped his knee up a million times and he doesn't hit it very good. But to see somebody like Foxy do that, I don't know if this is true. But when I'm watching golf, I'm like, man, what I wonder if he like blew his knee out, you know, he's 39, like, there's a lot of wear and tear on a body like that. And it's, but the fact that a guy's like, no, this is just, he's figured out a way, a very unique way to hit the ball really fucking good and really far. And I just think, I miss that in golf as well. And I'm kind of saying that his approach, the pace with what she plays and the uniqueness of a swing, all factor into that aesthetic that I was talking about. And it makes me wonder, it makes me think, it makes me like, I wonder if he is, that was a rugby player. Maybe blew his knee out, playing rugby. It's like, no, you know, I'm watching so much damn golf and so many commercials. It's like, that's where my head goes. I would exceptions to every role, but like, there's not more Foxy's coming. I don't think. Yeah. Is what I was feeling today. I'm like, we need to enjoy this because they're rapidly, they're an endangered species. And they can't even reproduce at this point. They're not coming back. T.C. And we need to just, we need to soak this up, protect this guy, they're getting hunted for their horns. Uh, if I can go back to the cam situation on 18 though, Deach, here's what I would say from a strategy standpoint. I think there is a calculation that can did in the moment that said, if I pitch outside ways, I have got to work for par like my expected score is going to be blah, blah, blah. And if I go for it and hit the lip and it comes out, my expected score is probably going to be pretty similar. So it is worth, it is worth the risk of trying to get it up near the green on the green in the bunker to try to make it easy for like that's that I've seen some criticism of his decision to try to hit it out of there. I don't think the spot he ended up in was that different of a expected score than if he would have pitched out into the fairway left him 100 and so, so, so he yards. So, Sally, Sally's talking expected score again here guys were creeping back away from Foxy's way. I, I totally agree with you, Sally. My, my point is like I just love that he has to make that decision on his own. For sure. You know, independent of any other information. He's just got to have the feel for the moment. That's, that's very cool and unique to golf and, again, disappearing in other, in other sports quickly. I gasped when he, when he hit it, because I thought he hit it OB. For sure. I did that fan so I was like holy shit, it's not a, if it hits the hill and it's the hill, it's like, if it hits this sand below the, the sod mound and then, and then rides up the face and go straight right. I was like, man, that's, that's a wild way to see that play. They did not see that play. Yeah. Well, last one of them with Foxy, he's also given us like a multiple B-Rite. I think it's 16 into 18, oh my god, be right. I just loved it. Man, he's twirling it. How coldest moment of the week could have been twirls and I, it's a, a driving iron 327 off a 17 T's twirling it and it goes in the bunker. I mean, he's just juiced up, man, that's, that's driving it. I think we all know what the coldest moment for sure. He was, he was John with radar on 13. He was like, oh, I bet the boys up in the booth are all over me about, about that one. I didn't hit the right shot there off the tee and radar, they're just, they're just going back and forth with it. It was great. He just seemed like he was, he was not only comfortable in the moment, he was embracing the moment. Yes. For somebody like it, if we're being dead honest right now, probably has only shot it one of these, if we're being completely honest of that, to play with zero inhibition in a, in a moment like that, whereas like a true once-in-a-lifetime moment to shoot 6268 on the week in the open to win it by one, birding the 580th hole finish to make it happen. Like, godly, he played with such little fear. If I go in the final group too, I mean, just compared to like, I mean, Sam Burns, 12 straight bars after three bogies, you know, it's like the kind of the opposite round playing in the same group, just couldn't, it couldn't muster the, the zeal and the fearlessness. Yeah. I like to make an apology on my Sam Burns. I called him a dog yesterday. I still respect him. He's earned my respect. But I think he's, he's who we thought he was on the greens to an extent. I hate that TC because I was saying to you, I'm like, man, he's, he's undoing a lot of work that I've done to, to think that he's somebody other than who he might be. Basically, how does, as soon as it started to get a little squirrely, a little unsharp with some of those irons, he, I don't remember, he had an iron off the tee and it was just not close yet. Another kind of flary one. I was like, oh, man, I thought this was going to be the, the slam the door kind of moment for Sam Burns. And it was, it could not have been less of that. And two, two, the two really, really, really costly shots. I'm obviously went bogey on, on four, five and six. The pitch over the green on five was, you know, he had cost him a full shot. And then obviously driving in the burn on the next tee shot on six was, you know, that's two shots, over two shots gained lost right there. And he finished two shots back like that's, that's where it happened. He, he's still potted well today. He had a, a, above average putting day overall, um, and yeah, but like when, when he needs it, you know what I mean? Like, all right, you got to make this one. This is, and there was just a few too many of the ones like, he probably not expected to make them, but all right, you got to wiggle one of these in. If you want to even have a shot at sniffing this and they're not going in. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to win, that's definitely the case. But it's, I would, I would say it was let down by almost every part of his game today. Yeah. And then putter necessarily, I don't think he hit the ball well enough to win the open. He would, you know, he would, he would tell you that as well, unfortunately. But I thought he was going to, I thought he was going to do it, man. Yeah. He said, uh, he said a really, really strong, I mean, T7th, the Masters, T26 at the PGA runner up the US open third at the open championship. He had two career top 10s and majors coming into this year, uh, and had two top three finishes this year alone. He's played 26 majors now. It's not, not a small sample of him. So just a massive leap he has taken in this past year and, um, he'll be on the president's cup and hopefully he has a, he needs a good team event because I, I, I still honestly believe people are doubtful of this guy or don't like the guy because he's been in big spots next to Scotty Sheffler and team events and not played well in them. And they have discounted him as a player because of that. And T's, like I said, in the biggest tournament this year, he has played his best golf and I salute that. It's a hard one because it, it, I feel like coming in to yesterday, it was very, you know, man, he's been knocking on the door. He's been knocking on the door. He hasn't been knocking nearly as hard as Cam Young and it's pretty similar sample size. And you know, I feel like you still, you watch Cam and you're, you're much more like how the fuck is this not happened yet, whereas San Bern still does feel like a, even a step away from that, you know, so it's, there's still, still work to do for sure. Scotty Sheffler, final round 67, probably to zoom past that, I don't think there's anything that happened in his round today that needs any breaking down. He finishes in a tie for fourth with Tommy Ladd. Yeah, nice birdie on 17, good up and down, got a birdie 17 left rough. He was way over there on the left and got up and down. We got, we got to bring in the big man is his favorite player. We can't talk about him without talking about his favorite player. Hello, Big Ray. Oh, hi, gentlemen. How are we doing? Great. How are you? Nice hat, big. We're good. Let me just say I know we're moving on from Foxy, but I found myself, my wife is half Kiwi. My daughter is a quarter Kiwi. I found myself in the world.
in and amongst a lot of newfound Kiwi family. And it was a lot of fun to see Ryan Fox win this. The family chat going crazy. This was a fun one. My daughter's first open championship and a Kiwi wins it. I mean, that's the stuff you dream about right there. - How about that? How about that? - On to Scotty, 17. What do we think, boys? You don't like the rule? Call your senator. - That's exactly what I'm saying. - No, you're exactly right. - I think, my issue is not with Scotty. - Can we set it up, let's go through the X's and O's here, Sally. - Are we setting it up based on NBC fee or world fee? - Hamster damn T.C. - I'm just starting to start, Sally to set the context. - You're dumping bodies outside the zone right now T.C. All right, it's gotta stay in the zone. - Let me get some free drop. If you can't find the bodies, it's like. - Sally, start on 17T because that's where the drama really starts. He hits a little peeler. All he's trying to do is miss that front left bunker. It takes a pretty tough bounce and kind of stops on the upslope. - Why? - You like the bunkers? - Why? - Why? - Dude, that was like the first equivalent of what Justin Rose did. Yeah, they're just gonna pull it like, whoa. Jesus, dude. I mean, it was like, which is so funny. Randy, I know this is your guy. His superpower is just, that doesn't bother me. Okay, I got for just moving on. And it just boiled over. It was great. He needs to make a move. - Let's see the passion. - That's right. He needs, he's two shots back of Cam Young, who's in the house in the sky. He's at seven under. So he goes for it from this upslope. Like, I think it, mix the top of the hill on the way and it's going way left, way left behind. Clarets, a hospitality area, way left of 17 green. I believe it misses left of there in like that gorsy area. If you're watching this on the screen, left of the hospitality area, but behind this fence that you see here, gets the ruling as they get up there to say, it is in the whole area, even behind Clarets is considered TIO. You can see it from, if we have the other angle as well, Cody, that from the sky, you can see that there's more fence off area behind this to all say the entire ruling and it has been this way all week. All this is considered temporary and movable obstruction. Do they find the ball? No, they're on their way up to it. One of the official, the guys walking with them has said, like, I've, I've watched it on video. They showed the video replay of it to show that it goes in this general area. Gabby Herzing tweeted this earlier and said, if the players ball has not been found but is known or virtually certain to have come to rest in a TIO, the player can take relief, blah, blah, blah, blah from there. There's people up in the hospitality as well that we're pointing as to where it went. Long story short, they don't need to find the ball. They don't really go looking for the ball because you can take the line of, I don't want to get this wrong. The entry point relief, I think, is kind of what they ended up doing. Going backwards, I think he went back to about a hundred yards of, of course, he should have just written four down on the card. Of course, gets it up and down for birdie. He's a birdie away from birding 18 to maybe get into a playoff and just maybe, you know, all the, I'm very happy we're not sitting here tonight discussing that as really affecting the champion golfer of the year. But as you might predict, a lot of people up in arms about this situation. And this is a big part of my platform. Okay, key piece of everything I stand for. I have no issue. Scottie didn't do anything wrong. Let me get that out of the way. Randy, you nailed it. Got to call our congressman. But this isn't, this is not good. Like a TIO area, like I understand if he hit it in and it was underneath the grandstands, sure, virtually certain it's there. But to blow it like a hundred yards left, 50 yards left, and then not even have to look for it. And like in the past, I think what I'm upset about is the RNA and the past has used drop areas for TIO relief. And the fact that they didn't use a drop area here, I think is what I'm really upset about. Peanile drop areas too, they would like that should not be, because then Scottie doesn't interview after the round. And his thoughts were like, oh, so walk us through what happened there. He's like, yeah, well, he's pressed. He's trying to make birdie. I hit a shot. I wouldn't normally hit. And I know I can miss left. And so, you know, I went way left. It's just like to have like these guys, they can blow it in there. Is like, I couldn't tell from that quote if he was saying, I wouldn't normally hit that because I know I have safety left. Or because I like need to win the golf tournament. I think he said because he needs to, you're right. He needs to win the golf tournament. But he's also saying I need to keep it up the left. And I think that factors heavily into, oh yeah, if you miss it, like wait, like you can go at this one. You cannot miss it right, but left, you're fine. Like because he said to, he said immediately to Ted Scott, he said, oh, that's in the hospitality left, I think. Which is like, he like he very, very aware that that's over there. Like the optics of this or what is bad for like just the, you know, pro golf in general, it's like the course playing easier for these guys. Then it does for everybody, you know, any other buddy's trip that goes there, I just think that we got to solve the TIO thing that I just think there should be a penalty stroke involved or like the drop area is a good, I'll meet you in the middle there, like a penal drop. Like, yeah, like that's it, you can't just drop it where the people have trampled everything down and just get up and down. I just, it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Now, and it's not Scottie's fault. It's just, I hate that that's, and it definitely impacts the strategy of how he plays the whole. So it's, it's, you know, it's poorly set up by the RNA. That's what I'll say. It's against the spirit of like what one out of championship golf at the very end of it. I think is the, not the enforcement of the rule, but like how that was set up, I think is very reasonable. Yes, because it felt wrong. Remember when Big Shot Bob at the Scottish Open was in the Heather and steps on the spring, he finds out he's a sprinkler and he is able to take a free drop and like hits it on and makes eagle. It just felt like, wait, I did nothing wrong. Of course, in that situation, same exact thing. But it's just like, that doesn't feel right. And he went on win the tournament. It was just like, that just doesn't, it doesn't marry up with like the consequence of the golf shot. Part of that's a little bit of luck. You know, there's a lot of luck that is involved in some of these things as well. If, if I felt like Scottie was trying to hit it there on purpose, and that was a bailout, I would feel even worse about it. I mean, obviously there's, it was not a good feeling when any of this unfolds. I don't think he's trying to do it on purpose. But I think he knows he can, if I'm going to miss anywhere, I'm going to miss left. That's, that's, that's, I mean, they got their whole core strategy. Come on. Neil, that's where, too, he said like, this happened to me, this is happening to me previously and I knew the rule as well. So he's like, I'm not proud of the fact that I know the rule. But like I knew the rule. I think the most outrageous part is the fact that that entire area was, was marked as TIO as well of, you know, all the way back to that, like almost next T-box. And I think that he didn't just hit it into the fucking hospitality, guys. He hit it over the hospitality, like left of the hospitality. It's, it's like any, so anytime you go over a fence in a pro golf tournament, whether it's a, you know, for spectator safety or hospitality, whatever, I think that should be OB, period point blank. Like these are the best players in the world. We shouldn't make it easier for them to get out of jail free. Like he hit an awful shot and couldn't find his ball. He hit it so bad and he gets off scot free. And again, that's, that's not a commentary on Scotty. That's a commentary on the rules. I just think the governing bodies need to do a fucking better job of like cleaning some of this stuff up and the PGA tour as well, it stinks. I, how do I say this? Like he did hit a god awful shot that he couldn't find the ball. But he is opera in that moment. He's operating under the, with this knowledge that this might happen, right? If it is OB, you might not hit it over there, right? Like it is a, it's a, oh, I know that's what I'm saying. I know that's his fault. Let's put the fear of God in these guys. Like, all right, if you, like, let's say you're in Detroit and you're, and you're trying to do the 313 challenge. Like, I remember Cameron champ did this a few years ago where he hit it. Like, like, Bryson hit it one time. I think, I think it was Bryson. He hit it into a hazard in Napa, left of hospitality, and got a free drop from it because it was TIO. Like that's the kind of shit we're talking about here, guys. It's depraved. And it's not, again, it's not malicious on these guys intent. It's just then using the rules to their advantage. I just think the rules stink. Just like, our guy, Hubert's catching all sorts of flak on X, the everything out for being, for like being a reinstated amateur. I don't think Hubert should be a reinstated amateur either. But the USGA and the R&A says he is. So it's like the rule, change the rules, you know? The stance of the, the people that administer the rules about tournament relief is that this is an unnatural part of the course. It's not part of the design of the whole. It is not meant to be an obstacle in your way. Again, I'm just presenting. I'm, I've been on the side of you guys that there needs to be on this, but again, I'm just presenting this case of it is, it's not going to be OB. Like that, that's not going to happen. Like that, that's very clear from, from, from how they put about just from that standpoint, DQs on the table. I think just, I mean, you're basically, like you do a career, a stroke with some line of sight relief. If you want to take that, I know what they don't want to encourage people to hit it over hospitality for safety reasons. But the other thing with this one, the TIO area was a new one for me. The fact, I kind of thought like, hey, man, you
should probably have to go look for that ball. And if you don't find it, the lost ball supersedes the TIO stuff, you know, like if the actual Claret area, the physical hospitality is TIO. But if you hit it in the Heather behind that and you can't find it, that's a fucking lost ball. If you did find it, then get your TIO. But then I think then it's like, how do you know that it went in the Heather and it didn't go inside the underneath the truck. Right. But then that's what I'm saying. And you got people taking apart generators to me like, oh, it's so this guy saw it bounce in here. Like I get why all of these things exist. It's a bit like the Bryson rule, where it's like somebody thought about this a lot. They wrote this and they weren't sitting around like, oh, shit, I didn't think about how we're going to rule this, this area over here. Well, I'll just fucking make it up as we go. Like they clearly thought about this for a very long time and how to apply the rules. So this is where I always get again, this is I'm not wearing it across on Twitter guy. Like I kind of take a backseat on this stuff. My gut TC, I'm with you. This stinks, put up some red stakes. If you guys don't want to roll the golf ball back, then great. We're going to have we're going to have penalties all over the place. I that's kind of where my head is at. But I understand how it got to this point. I know that's kind of a mil toast sort of tape. But it doesn't so much bigger, too. Yeah, right. Totally. Like clearance, you know, Randy, Randy, I know your big Clarets guy. What do you? Let's say you love the Clarets. I think we're all on the same page. TC, I've steadfastly been on the TIO sucks for years now. I'm I'm with you guys 100% on that. I think it's a heady move by Scotty. If he does know that rule, like I if it was him or if it was anybody else, it's like, you might as well use the rules to your utmost advantage. Like that's just being a competitor. But yeah, the TIO stuff sucks in general. It should be you get a line of sight relief. Like, you know, say get a line of sight relief plus a penalty shot or play this allies. Like those are your options with they didn't just build that hospitality tent right before he hit that second shot. You know, it's there. I it seems like the biggest no-brainer tweak that pro golf can make. I don't understand why we're not doing it. And it also seems like something that governing bodies could do theoretically. Again, as I understand it, seems like something they could do with like this stroke of a pen. You don't need the PGA, but like I know the PGA tour is different. Like you would need the pack to probably figure out whether they want to run it that way or model local rules and all that stuff. But the USGA seemingly could just be like this area is designated as a hazard. This way like I have a how it seems like they could change that. But again, the view point there and we've asked rules official specifically about this is like this is not part of the golf hole. Like this is this is something we have put up for the entertainment value of this golf tournament. This is not meant to be here. This is not part of the design of the whole. We are not going to make this a hazard that that for writer for or for wrong, that is the viewpoint that I would be extremely surprised that they're diminishing. I would urge them to reconsider. Yeah, I don't know why they're putting that thing in there. They're they're changing the strategy the whole anyway. So like it's a great yeah. By that token solid, like if a ball bounces off of one of those and comes out of the green, then you should have to replay the shot like if it's power lines. I put this at the feet. You can't have it. You can't have it both ways, right? Like it can't be there as a bumper to be used, but also like oh no, no, no, no, no, pretend this doesn't exist is bullshit. Maybe we should since that bunker on 18, we have to thank the members for that. I think this TIO area, the member should have spoken out because you've got to wear this one. Yeah, we want this to be penalized at the members should have stepped in on this. And maybe like I don't even know how I don't even know how temporary clerics is at this point. It takes takes months to put up, you know, like if it's big enough, it's not temporary. I mean, Randy, you've asked it before, like aren't we all temporary? Isn't aren't all these courses temporary? That's heavy stuff. Now we're asking the right questions, TC. And it's got for the RDA, they had to be like, we made it 70 holes in this tournament before one of these came about. Like we all know, no, I didn't know that was TIO back there. Nobody else that was not a topic of conversation at all. All we could sure enough, there's has to be one ball that goes there, which again, like if they would have found the ball, which he would have gotten relief anyways, one, we kind of gloss passed the point where Scotty's yelling and I don't know if you guys caught this on every seat, but this was on the world feed. But where he's waving his hand, saying everybody stop looking for the ball. Don't want it is where it's like, okay, well, that's not again, the right call, good strategy, but like not good optics. That's a tough, that's a tough one, you know. Yeah, we just need, we need more OB, just generally in pro golf. We need more OB because that's the only thing that scares these guys. Like you saw it on one this week. One was brilliant with the crosswind. Johnny, Johnny Rambo went out, went out of bounds twice on the weekend on one. So good. And I would just say, let me, let me, if we're discussing spirit of the game, I would say let's make it, so let's put in bounds OB or what's the term in course? Yeah, in course OB. I don't want to see guys ever playing down like the wrong fairways. You know, I want to take that out of it. Play it, if we're going spirit of the game, then you're playing the whole as the architect laid it out. You know, I don't think we should be playing shoots and ladders and going to other fairways. I can't promise you more OB, Randy, I cannot, but I can promise you H and B. Okay, I want to get a shot to our friends at Holderness and Borg. That's the overdoing folks. That's the average doing it. He's right. I'll be right. Yes. That was my Foxy putt on 18. There's summers in full swing. It is time to stock up on some bottoms. The hardwood short, the Anson pant, the McDaniel pant. Of course, the active wear push, the new Saunders short is great for the gym. You're run or just lounging. 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Can I get an early pair of those? T.C. What's this one I got on? There's like a cotton blend sort of sort of thing. I mean, just lovely. One of my favorite shirts I've ever had. This is one of the new hoodies too. It's got this texture to it and stuff. It's this thing is going to rip. Not rip literally. It's going to rip in the shop and on the line from that. So comfortable. It's going to fall apart. All right, guys, it's time. It's time. 58 minutes. T.C. Do you want to lead it? Do you want us to, you know, do you want to, you know, what are we doing here? What do we, what do we do with this? Yeah, do we want to attack the full week? Or do we want to say today? I mean, granted, like, I watched, I watched him side by side. I watched the world feed and then I watched NBC. Oh, I'm talking. Oh, I thought we're going to Amsterdam. No, you're avoiding this. Wow. Come on. Oh, yeah. No, Sally. He was the only guy to shoot in the 60s all four rounds this week. He birdied 18 just like, he birdied 17 and 18 just like Foxy did. So he's out of it. They, you know, the people, the people made their voices heard. Okay. And I thought, no, I think indeed, feel free to pop in here at any point. Feel free to save me, Deeds, and answer truth. No, but I think if I had to dial it down to anything, when he went long on nine today, I was bummed. That was, you know, back in Neil's territory back there on nine. Neil was kind of, pre-saging a lot of, you know, yeah, little spots on the course between five and nine. And then, you know, so he bogie's nine made a good one to make bogie there. And then again, just really conservative off the tee on 10 and 11. And I feel like left himself really far back. And that's, that's just where like, you know, all the air went out of the bloom. Three bogies in a row there. He had the, he had the big putt on one. It just, it felt a little bit like Foolsgold at first. And he played really well in the front. I mean, he was 300 through eight. Yeah, overall, man, it was like, like, that's the most frustrating part about it. Minus seven, three shots out of the lead, played good, good golf, good, good, not great golf all week. It was solid. I think I was glad at how he battled when he didn't have it earlier in the week. And, you know, I think the crowds helped him out all week. And great scene coming up 18. You know, that, that NBC didn't show much of up.
the world feed had, and then nice embrace on 18 green, and after the fact, and kids and Hicks talked all over it, but yeah, it was a, I don't know, it was a cool special week that could have been all time, I think. I'm disappointed. I do think that him shooting in the 60s all four rounds and burying the last two holes should net me some sort of reprieve or exemption that I can use into the future to pick him once more, especially with Foxy really as well, but DJ, do you have an announcement you'd like to make? I have some questions I want to ask TC because this was a unique week and I may be taking this in a direction that even I didn't expect, but what exactly do we want TC to apologize for? That's the question I want to throw out. I don't even know if I know the answer. Keeps picking Tommy to win. I've heard Tommy's going to win this major for years. Yeah. So let's start there taking your entire reputation. You stick your entire reputation on him winning. I did. I did. And then you want a dog Sam Burns for not being a dog. What I mean, I don't think I've ever called Tommy a dog. I don't know. I've ever called him clutch. Yeah. Well, it's not stick to the absolutes as your lawyer, TC. No. Absolutely. No, I want to take out there. Anybody wants to review. Listen, am I happy he basically wiped one, two, 20 off 10 T and left himself with 180 yards in and out of the thick stuff. Or am I happy that he hit one, two, 75 up the left on 11? It's just not. I mean, I watched like probably 60 of his holes this week. And like, you know, I was texting with DJ and I'm like, yeah, like, all right, here's what's going to happen. You can see it. Like you're you have previously scheduled stuff where it's like, oh, yeah, like there's a bad bogey coming up here on 11 or 12. And it's just I feel like he makes incremental progress. But I also think it's interesting that like, you know, he shuts 63 there at Chinatown. And Cam Young should 64 here makes a bogey on on 18 Tommy misses the birdie putt on 18 at Chinatown. Cam's getting lauded. Tommy's Tommy's getting just just shit. Oh, yeah. Just 10 years later because like, so like said, no, I'm so in the environment six years. That one of those counts. No, that was. Yeah. No, in that moment, like in 2018, you guys were shitting on it. I don't think that's true. T.C. here's what I would have you apologize for crying wolf to Randy's point to taking Tommy's name and vein to picking him too often in places where he couldn't win. I'm not mad at you this week. I we were all rooting for him. I pick him at Augusta. I don't pick like I'm not picking him Willie nilly at every single major here. I picked him at the two places of the last 10. I thought his game fit really well for after saying you wouldn't if he doesn't been point right port rush that's true poor rush to this game well to get it done. It's got a good game. So serious though here, serious. I think and I'm not you know, I'm waiting into DJ like golf strategy territory, but there did seem to be a very like Tommy seem to be playing the course different than everybody else is like laying back on the key. And that would be the one thing that I would second guess, especially as the week went on and where you're at on the leaderboard. I'd love to see him hit driver on on 10 and 11 like those holes where it's yeah, no, it's like man, you're just putting yourself in a really tough spot here with a mid to long iron when other guys are just forcing the issue a little bit and it's paying off. So I don't know why he's stuck with that. No, I agree. Neil, we talked about this a lot like Thursday and and last night. I mean, Solid even said he's he's too accurate. So his misses go into these fairway bonkers, they don't go into the ground. That's the real problem. Let me let me let me give you a layup then here, TC just a lab question. You asked me to wait until after after this open to answer this question. Yes. Yes. Is Tommy a bigger game hunter, bigger major championship game hunter than Zander Shoffley? No. I would say would say no, um, just I think I throw that on the the picker along the bottom. Thank you. I think you were did Joe Biden win the 2020 election. Exactly. What I was going to say this feels like that's literally what I said on the PJ championship preview pot, who are the 2020 election? When you refused to answer that question just a few months ago, but I am now happy satisfied that we can move on and start healing as a country, honestly, but it's a forward-looking game. Well, but how was it a major and it wasn't. Trune was though. Zander was wildly impressive at Trune. And yeah, I don't know, I'll take I think Tommy, Tommy nabs one of these, man, I think he does. TC, where I walk away from this week is maybe he does, maybe it doesn't, we have to believe that he's going to is is how I feel. Yeah. I'm just. You go. I'm not. I'm not. I said I think he's going to win a major, I, I am less confident after my hand up. I've always been on the other side of this. Yeah. There's not much big game there that I've, I mean, just calling balls and strikes. There's not a, if we're not really that close to winning, like always there and he's not, but it's not like a shot or it's like, but it's solid. It's always in this awkward way where it's like a backdoor at Chinatown where it's never in the final group. It's not a Sam Burns where it's like, man, you, this is this one's yours to lose and that's tough. So what DJ is asking you, like, what, wanting to, yeah, I think wanting him to win one. He does it in this back footed awkward sort of way, like even when he's in contention or like it's, it's, it's pretty see to your pants stuff, but that's what makes it even more invigorating. Like it's, you just feel like the universe is conspiring against you and Tommy is conspiring against himself. That's, that's where I'm at. I joined UTC picking him to win this week romanticism. I thought, oh my gosh, maybe the lads can, can just carry this guy to victory. What a day it would be. And so I watch way more of him than I even usually watch because I feel like usually what I see is the tap in on 18 for, you know, oh, man, he didn't quite have his time. He's going to be back. What a crowd favorite. I watched a ton of his, like, how he actually plays golf and I walked away a bigger fan than I ever have. He is the, the best. And so do I think he's straight up choked a lot of his way, yes, for sure. Is he also maybe the only player to, you know, Rand, if you're going to eulogize speed on me and say that he doesn't have a brain activity anymore, then I just don't know who else I'm really riding for on a week to week basis other than, than Tommy and it's, and Foxy, but I, I don't know if this is the floodgates are going to open for Foxy necessarily. And so I'm with you to see that like I will call a spade of spade here, but also if I got to be full-throated, like, I need to believe that he's going to win one of these at one point because otherwise, there's don't have a lot of reason to watch on Sundays. I felt so much watching this week almost teared up as he's tearing up on 18. He walks off. He sees Frankie asked him, are you out, are you okay? Are you doing all right? I mean, it's just you okay. It's awesome. It's awesome. I feel like that's a bit hyperbolic there, DG, you're, you're struggling for a reason to watch on Sunday. We, I mean, we just had a great championship today and we wasn't saying week to week, week to week. Yeah. Yeah. I need, I need to have a center of gravity in my like, who am I rooting for? What am I rooting for? I just don't have been that and he no longer has that. He's in mourning right now. Exactly. Your question. Maybe I shouldn't be making any big life decisions right now. You know, maybe I should let this, this beef news kind of just center for a while, but I just know that nice guys don't always finish last for sure, like it's a big bad world out there. Sun. I'm just going to plant my fight. Here's what I would say. I would be willing to look like a clown for the next however many majors in the squad in the interest that like maybe one day it happens. And T.C. I'll be with you. We with you when if and when it happens. Right. Sallie, you know, Milly mouth, I believe them. You talk me into picking him. Was it Port Rush last year? I picked him and he like shot the bed on that. I did shit the bed. I think it, I think it is he gets a lot of benefit of the doubt because you're so likable because we all root for him because we all want it to happen. But to Randy's big macro thing, big macro take big long running bid on a particular guy that he's had in Ricky Fowler. The head to head and the Tommy's resume doesn't sniff Ricky's at this point. We have to call, we have to call that at this point. We have to, but Ricky didn't make anybody feel anything. That's part of it. No, no, Ricky was making a lot of people feel a lot of things. I'm not making a lot of people a lot of money, a lot of marketing people. I don't know. There are a lot of guys where a lot of Ricky fans, yeah. That's disingenuous to say that Ricky's not making people feel stuff. He's not making people feel the way that Tommy makes people feel. I'm saying we do Ricky, we say Ricky pejoratively and we don't about Tommy.
one of these has to level up. There's no expected wins in any of this. Ricky has what six PGA tour wins, including the players. Tommy's got one. Tommy's got Ricky's even got two DP world tour wins. Tommy has eight of those PDEs. Those fields are not very strong. As you can see, his weighted total wins comes down to 6.3 versus 12.4 for Ricky. Data golf points, 557 for Ricky. 454 for Tommy. Ricky is two years older. It's remarkably similar. PGA tour starts for Tommy. Flea with 179 PGA tour starts for Ricky Fowler. 383. Like get the fuck out of here with this take. This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. Tommy's going to win a bunch more on the PGA tour in the next 80 starts. I think he put together at least as good of a campaign as Ricky has here. I think this is. We got a lot of PGA tour wins. We got a pick. All right, solid. Put it on your calendar for two years from now and he's the same age as Ricky. And I don't want the weighted bullshit in there. Tommy can only win against who he's teaming up against like the Dr. Moon Jaws hero cup or whatever the second of Abu Dhabi or Dubai event. And you know, the Kazakhstan opens in there and he won that part three national open in England. I don't think that stuff's been a golf six. Is there something to say? You know, he's got a national open being weighted properly. That carries a lot of a lot of juice. I mean, national opens are hot in the streets right now. The Kazakhstan. Ricky's got an Asian tour win. The Korea Open 2011. The national open as well. That's tough. What do you want me to check on in two years? I think some of this is Tommy is English. And so he gets this like juice because the English are passionate golf fans. If Tommy was American, he would not be near as big a deal as he is in my opinion. But check it out. He's not American. And he's like, right. One of the most fun iron players in the world to watch, you know. I'm sure I'm curious with this black stunt thing. If he's going to start going up in these Danny DeVito jersey mics commercials, this IPO, they're doing IPO. I could change things. I'm wondering if they're going to put in the work to make sure that they, you know, he keeps kind of towing about with Sunday red. And I know. Tigers tweeting about it. That feels like writing on the wall there. Yeah. And I thought he was going to commit months ago to that and he just hasn't. So maybe he's just maybe the, maybe the dollars are going up, you know, and he's betting on himself here. But I want to be clear that the Ricky comp is a good comp. It's just I'm saying, I don't think Ricky's like far and away past Tommy. That's that's my stance. I think Tommy's got a is not too Ricky's career achievement level. One and just making the point that we kind of, you got to play like the biggest tournament one of any of these guys. I'm not wrong about that. I'm impressed. I think Ricky's had a better career the better. Yeah. What's the better? You got to give us the case here, Dij. I'm not seeing it. I mean, I'd Ricky's won. What? He won the players, of course, BDE, awesome win, peak of his career. And then it's like I'm trying to rattle him off, rocket mortgage. He want to. Wells Fargo players, Deutsche Bank, Honda, Phoenix, in the rocket. I mean, Phoenix, Honda and Wells Fargo, good wins. Those are good quality PGA tour wins. Like they would call those signature wins at this point. Not when he was playing, but those are signature events. And I'm not saying that I'm like, oh, I'm riding for Ricky, but like if I'm just, like Randy say, call him balls and strikes. Like Tommy's got a lot of fucking work to do. If you want me to keep going, more top fives and majors than Tommy, more runner-up finishes in major than Tommy, more top 10s and major championships than Tommy. He was also a late bloomer, too. But Tommy didn't get on the scene. You know, he was playing almost exclusively DP World 4. Until that doesn't get you in major, that doesn't need a pass. No, I know, but I'm just saying like the point, there's 200 more starts or whatever we're talking about with Ricky here. Like what's like, I think Tommy's, I think Tommy's got a lot of really good golf ahead of him. I don't know that anybody's like doubling down on the next five years for Ricky. I agree that I want to get high on the hopium as well. I'm hoping Tommy does have a better career than Ricky. But right now, I would say that it's like, yeah, Ricky historically is a better golfer, more starts obviously, but I would say like better to this point in his career as well. Just to your point, he's got 304 DP World Tour starts, add that with his PGA Tour starts. And like the DP World Tour quite clearly, not nearly as strong of a tour as a PGA Tour, and their win totals are like the same here, right? It's not like Ricky's got 200 more career starts than Tommy Fleetwood does. Just he does on the more competitive tour. He was hit with that other tour. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Some of these, some singer, I feel like you guys, I hear what you guys are saying. There were a lot of the top 10 guys in the world in Abu Dhabi, when he won there or whatever. And I think the other thing too is like, I would put his rider cup record up in there. I think that's the Ricky told Randy Hick the ball up, dude. Who like, come on. Randy, that's where I struggle a little bit with like the, you know, like he's not a hunter. Like, yeah, like he's there's there's something going on with stroke play individual championship events. He's been a fucking hunter in the rider cup for what, three or four of them. Well, so it's you know, granted that's not going on his dossier, but if he wanted to play team goal, he didn't. He's stuck around just like team Rose. He stuck around because he's not going to get a career decision. Tommy is feasted in team matches in the rider cup. He is an excellent, excellent record in team matches in the rider cup. That is undeniable. So I'll get you right now that he accidentally just got in the rider cup at this conversation. Oh, no. Oh, fuck. They got me there. I should, yeah, I should have thought of that. Next time. Let's move on. I just to put a bow on it. A DJ, welcome to the squad. Thanks, man. Glad to have you. I may be having you make picks for me, but because I'm not, like, legally, legally allowed to. It's going to wander picks, it's wandering his picks, maybe a accessory to the crime beach. Don't do this. Don't fall in with this, this ground. Will you actually adhere to it now that, you know, we'll see. Okay. I'm going to pay for the masters. Yeah. No apology anywhere in here, Sally. No, there wasn't going to be one. There was. And you know what? Tommy finished T4. He shot four rounds in the 60s. He didn't get it across the line. I don't, I also don't think he debased himself this week. Like he that was not the baseline. Your prediction was not he's not going to debase himself. That's a win. Who'd you say debased them? That's a good question. Who debased themselves this week? Well, yeah, I think we've done it already. Uh, Rahm was, uh, tough, tough season for Rahm. We called it at the beginning of the year. Deach, uh, big, big spots for majors and to game, uh, Riverboat Remy didn't come up, come up with the Royal Flash. No, he did not, uh, he did not. Yeah, man, another, another long winter for the Spaniard. I think December. Yeah. Reason to believe, man. He manly would maybe this year's gonna be better than the last deal. I don't know. Top year for Rahm. Uh, I, I, I will say, Rahm didn't debase himself. Like, I thought for sure we were tracking towards a, uh, code of conduct, like two stroke penalty or just removing him from the grounds. It was really funny watching feature groups the other day where it was like every time that he was going to get really mad or do something. They're like, no, code of conduct. It's working. Here comes the putter throw off. It's a new John Rahm. I mean, why you got Bob just slam in his club. He might have the best of stuff a little bit this week. T.C. Love sucks. After he afterwards was like, yeah, I'm going to keep doing it. Uh, just, and he had some things to take on the course, like mixed in there. He was like, you know, it's just really frustrating when you miss, you can miss by a mile out here and not get punished. And then if you're slightly offline, you get screwed. Like, you know, just basically like, I don't think this is a good golf course, which is overall message there. On back on the Rahm thing. I mean, it's, it's been three years now since he left for live. He's played 11, 11 major championships. Only one top five finish in major championships in the three years since he's left for live. He's got a two seven, a two seven, a T eight. And there's a four top tens in in the last 11. Oh, he's still dude. He's still like one of the best golfers in the world. Like, by where he is. I was measured though. I just, this is, this is so stupid, man. What are we talking about? You're, you're, you're shitting all over Tommy for getting, like, this is crazy. Rahm has just not showed up in the, in the biggest course. He's not. He's still one of the best golfers in the world. Like, top on here every week. And it's like the only thing that matters is majors. Can you step up in the biggest moments? Boom, boom, boom. And he just hasn't. He's like, he has not had two or three completely and totally disagree, of course, with his strategy of, I'm going to go play on this, this other tour, the other other tour, a very not competitive tour, beat these, beat these fuckers up and then put massive amounts of pressure on myself in the biggest
events and fuck them up, like, yeah, like he obviously deserves dinged for all of that. Like he deserves all the scrutiny he's getting, all the criticism and like it is a really shitty, like a really heartbreaking is not the word. It's like a frustrating thing as a golf fan to have watched one of the top talents in the game, like squander an opportunity in the most competitive window he should have to be a very serious player on the world stage, like, and get results and get results. Go for like in theory? No, he's like, he's, he's, I don't know what to tell you. He's still like measures really well. That's what that would be. He's still good. My question to that, Sally, is you, because I see the strokes gain chart of like, okay, over, you know, two and a half, like, look at Ram over the last two years. Like he's, he's up there in that top 10 years. Like, okay, fair enough, but I'm talking about the last three years. I would love to get rid of the live strokes name, strokes game data. Just give me the, the his strokes gained in majors over the last three years. I don't have time to like, do that right now, but that's the chart I want to see. And that's where I would revoke dude status because it's like, he's not been a dude in the majors and like, I, I totally get what you're saying, deep, like, I do. Like, does the live golf count or does it not? And I'm, I'm usually like, no, it doesn't. But like, and, and this is the a measurable part that I'll get shift where I don't care. It's like, again, if they teed it up like, again, tomorrow, if they started this tournament again, like, do I think he's one of the five most likely players to win the tournament for most like, I do. Like I do. I think he's, I, I think he is approached. He's all wrong. I think he's not preparing properly for them. I do not think I, I think there's absolutely a factor and live not preparing him. As you're saying, that doesn't matter. Like, like, all right, let's, let's roll the balls back out this coming Thursday. And you're just going to wipe all that away and say that, yeah, is he one of the top five most likely guys to win? Yeah, even though he hasn't done dick for the last three years. Sure. Yeah. I have, uh, I'm recovering. I was on this block for a long time, solid. And maybe I'll look very foolish if he goes and wins. If there's runner up in a major three majors ago, like two months ago, like he was an Aaron Rive freakish runaway from not winning the PGA championship. Like, again, you're right. That's fair. You are, you are right about that. It just is, I don't know. It's, you are kind of, I'm waiting for that guy to show up like very, very, very consistently that he has been in the past. And it just seems like such a market change that the, the patients or the benefit of the doubt is kind of running out for me as a completely fair, completely fair. I would say, do I think like the next three if you live continues, I would, I would still venture his next three years of major championships would be much stronger than the last three years have been. I would, I would expect that. And if not, and you want me to set a reminder for three years from now to revisit that one, I'm happy to full calendar and declare declared. I'm just doing it basically calendar. He's too big of a town. Like, there's just a, he's a fucking nut job though. He is a complete nut job. But like, there, I, I, I have too much respect for like his actual like floor as a talent level. And the, and the sustained success that he's had since like 2017 that almost no one else in the game is that like, Zander has not been able to maintain it the same way John Rahm has. Patrick can't lay most certainly not. Justin Thomas reached that level for a little bit, but he was unable to. Don't have to revisit the Jordan speed thing. Of course, like, none of those guys have been able to consistently beat people on the golf course the way that he has in the last eight years. And I do not think this is like a permanent decline in his, and decay in his game would be my take on the matter. Okay. Kind of a, Randy, where you at on this? It's an interesting conversation coming off the Tommy. I mean, it's all based on past performance in our expectations about the players because I'm just looking at Rahm. He's got less miss cuts in majors over the last three years. He's got a better higher finish than the T2 this year. He's got more top 10s in Tommy. And it's like, what, why are we talking about Tommy being this like, oh my god, he's going to do it. He's so good. And then Rahm, it's like, we're shitting on him. It's just our starting points, right? With each guy. I think that's from not my cup of tea, but I would bet on him. I would bet on him. There's room to go. That's a distressed asset. I would buy low on John Rahm. I don't see Fleetwood going to some other level. I don't think it's the same question. Yeah. I don't think we're talking about like, John Rahm's like supposed a generational town, like a borderline generational talent. And that's what I'm saying. Like we're not Tommy's ahead of him and your data golf ranking is right now. Like it's John Rahm's just not, like he's just not putting it on paper. He's just not doing it. And he's making bad decisions than he's compounding those decisions. I think it's, it's more not really comparing Rahm to Fleetwood as it is, like, Rahm to Scotty and Rahm to Rory. And like who Rahm should be? Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. Do you guys think Rahm wins another major? Yes. Probably yes. Yeah. I think he wins multiple more majors. Yeah. I think he wins at least two more majors. I just, that's the frustrating part. I see everything that you're saying. I just, I think there's also something there where like he's definitely psyching himself out in these things. That's it. That's, that's it to me is like definitive. I think he's going to win multiple majors. That's a dude. I see that a lot of dudes. I know you do. I know. But like to, I agree. Like I feel that way. Like do I think Cam Young is going to win multiple majors? I have to say that with less confidence. And I think Cam's a dude as well. Like do I think also easier to say about a guy that's already one. Correct. A couple majors too. Yeah. But no, it, it's still a, it's a confounding thing, man. And it is very much a, you go back to those combos we're having in December of 2023. Like what's this going to do for your major record? And like he deserves every second of scrutiny. Anybody gives him. I deserve shit for, I can keep bringing it. That's fine. I'm still just, I'm still believer in the talent, even if the results are not matching it. Like I think the talent. Like where I went through a period like this in his major championship career where he was just shitting the bed when the expectations were bigger on him. He came out the other side and won two green jackets of it. And after it. So it's a very good comp actually. And it's similar period in his career as well. Right. I mean that, that kind of turn in 30 like that was right before he switched gears and seemingly changes approach at the majors too. So that's, that's a good point. Anything we need to revisit on the price in front. After all that has happened this past week, he kind of exited the premises shot to over finished it for under par, finished tied for 14th, wasn't really involved in the proceedings. Yeah. I mean, tough day for thaz. Not a lot of, not a lot of a, not great to matinee. I don't have a lot kind of left in the notebook here. I feel like we've covered a lot of this over the last couple days, certainly in a very fun live show on, on Friday night. Good to see him avoid the, the slam, you know, it was good to see him involved. He played really good golfer a long time this week and hard to know what the, the weirdness of Friday did for his, his prospects for the tournament. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to take away from his, his year too. Talk about another person that just was, had massive potential for the majors this year with so many question marks about what, what his literal career looks like going forward. You know, I think this was a massive contract year of sorts and just pretty much spit the bit in a lot of different ways. So I don't, I don't know, just a confusing, confounding sort of six months, eight months for the big golfer, the former big golfer. I'll say this. I would give Bryce a ton of credit. I feel like every time they cut to him today and all week, really gritty stuff, making a ton of par putts, like showing, I don't know, like it's showing some strategy, like playing, you know, playing good, good golf overall for the week. And it is, it is more fun. He's not for me. But it's more fun when he's involved for sure. You know, it's like he's, yeah, man, he's a content factory. So he's frustrating. I don't know, he's frustrating. He's annoying. He's performative. We've talked about all that stuff. But at the end of the day, like when I see him make those 12 foot par putts over and over, he's also gritty. And I think he deserves credit for that. And I think that shows what two US Open wins as well. It's still, it's wild to me. Like I would say, the general reception, even after what happened Friday was mostly positive for for Bryce. And I know there were some cheers out there. But it is wild, especially coming off the backs of watching what happened with Wyndham at the US Open of like, Bryson's already committed some pretty strong sins in golf in the past several years and then over the course of his career and done plenty of things that make you not like him. Then he at best inadvertently stomps behind his ball. As Randy said, like an elephant on Friday and then when the rules officials, you know, assessed him a penalty, went out there made a massive performative scene, you know, threatened not to play, spent an hour at the course delayed T times. Kind of worried comment on this yesterday of frustrating the whole field, feeling very performative. And people go out and cheer for him. It's just like, nothing fucking matters anymore, man. I don't, I don't get it. I don't. I mean, Bryson is who we thought he was for a long, long, long time. And I get that he's got an entertaining YouTube channel. And you know, he smiles at the fans now and like Shane Ryan had a great piece of just like talking about how he, like literally truly believes Bryson practices stuff in a mirror.
and I completely agree with that and that's the performance stuff for me that I'm just like, I don't know how people do get to the conclusion that they're a fan of this guy just on the surface. It is electric. I'm the same way. I want him involved in things because I want to see what's going to happen, but I guess I'm just very still surprised at the public treatment he gets even amongst the best fans in golf of like being saluted, almost like cheered for what happened on Friday was just like, I don't even really know if he was getting cheered or not or jeered or whatever because we didn't really get a sense of the moment either or of the scenes, right? I think the next year's going to be fascinating for Bryson. You've got obviously Augusta. He's kind of struggled there, but you've got Frisco fighting his backyard. It's a home game for him. It should actually suit him relatively well. I'll be curious to see how they do set up and rough there. Then you've got Pebble Beach, which I have no idea how he attacks Pebble Beach, and then you've got the Old Course, which would seem like. -R-60s. -R-60s. And then possibly live going away and I mean it sounds like they're in doubt for their team championship in August next month, even. So who knows? I mean we could be seeing him play in DP World Tour events. We could be seeing him play the your golf tour, you know. You're a big YGT guy. -Might make some appearances at all kinds of invitational. Solly, I have to your point about the fans cheering him. When I've passed events this year, or majors this year, when Bryson's come by, I think some of it is the fact that Bryson interacts with the crowd, engages people. Not even wins him over. They just want. They love the response. It's like the circus coming to town. It's like a little bit of like, "Oh, let's cheer at the performer out there." Because he's going to. Like there's a cause and effect to that. So I don't know if it's like the, you know, people are really rooting for him or if they're just like looking for the entertainment of it, of the response of it. It's a little bit of. I don't know that, but I think there's something there with that. So the big golfer. I would tend to agree with that. A couple of things. He's going to absolutely destroy Frisco. He's going to have so many videos prepping out there. It's going to be sick. One thing about Bryson, I think, always resonates with me is that, you know, I think nature of this job, we spend a lot of time online. That's just not the reflection of like the real world that's out there. And he is absolutely loved. And I think because of what Neil said, he's the showman. And we have a case because we work golf and we spend so much time in live shows for majors and everything. We stack all these things against him and kind of create this rap sheet. We're normal people who enjoy golf. Don't give a fuck. Like truly, honestly, they just see him out there as the person who's showing up, who's laughing, smiling, giving thumbs up, waving. And that's who they think and truly believe Bryson is. Breaded circuses, baby. Yeah, I think that's well said, Cody. I mean, I think that the circus analogy, Neil, it's like, I'm not really looking at the guys in the circus and then looking at what podcast they're going on and what they said on this Instagram post and what they, whereas I feel like we are doing a lot of that stuff. And maybe that might create a clearer picture of what's going on. But it's definitely a more complicated relationship. And then I think you just have, yeah, you just have a lot of different people with a lot of different context, all kind of talking about the same thing. And it tends to be quite a, quite a stew that gets created. Yeah, that just, you know, the rules, the rules violation is what we'll call it that happening. And that, that, that, that, that, that to me was just like again with the British crowd. I'm like, all right, well, that's going to be a thing that flips things, right? And sure enough, it just doesn't, doesn't ever seem to, doesn't ever see even with them. I mean, the open is, you know, yet what 75,000 people there each day, like it's not like we're talking to about like the core of core golf fans. This isn't the masters. This isn't, you know, the us open. This is, this is, it's bigger too. So I think there's probably more core golf fans there, but, but they're in the midst of a bunch of other people as well. Which I think creates like, again, a weird cocktail of when something like what happens on number five on Friday happens when just by definition your fan base are people who are probably more passive about this or aren't following it as closely or more I check in and then I check out or I watch on YouTube and then I check out. When you have something like a really nuanced ruling happen, like it's just, of course, it's going to be like, oh, they're trying to fuck us, man, it's us against them. They don't like what we're about and they're trying to get this guy out of here. Look at the break that Scotty got. They probably were all, it's just everything's a fucking conspiracy. You know, and it's like he's, he's just a good canvas for that. And I, does he play into it for sure, right? I mean, I think of course he plays into it, but it's, the ball on that front just seems to find him like we said on Friday and he just seems to keep finding himself in those situations and it just kind of keeps upwardly spiraling, you know, and I don't think it's going to end anytime soon, you know, especially if, uh, if live goes away or if it doesn't or if he comes back to the tour or if it doesn't and it's just going to get it wiped up to a million here over the next several months. Oh my god. And then we're doing it. I don't care for, you know, yeah, it's nice to have a little true rivalry and golf heading in the next action in here. Neil, come on, pop. Roddy, I hear it playing in the background. Turn it up, PC. Just like we use, we use the word Bryson as performative. Roy also is performative. Sure. You know, it's up to you on whether you view it as a pro or a con, whether it's, you know, your guy or a negative thing. Roy is doing the exact same thing. It's also whether you view it as authentic or not. Like you can be performative, but be authentic with like, all right, this is what I truly believe in versus performing and putting on airs, you know, Bryson at Pebble to close this out T 35 at the 19 US Open. He played in six AT&T Pebble Beach programs. Don't really matter, but only one miscut there. He has a T two and a T three. So I think, which was last time you played there. Twenty twenty one T three. It's also a notable that, yeah, during COVID, basically just freakishly turned into a different person like golf. Why, you know, I mean, like he completely transformed his golf game, which is always just funny when you look at his career results. It's like that guy in 2017 or whatever. It's like, yeah, that was a different, different. Totally. Totally. Yeah, I would, I don't know. I would have expected a colder response. But, you know, I think if I may, I do believe that brings us to our shout out to our friends at Yeti for presenting this week's coldest moment. This was an easy decision for us. If you missed last night's live show, we're bringing it back. Here's the clip of what happened. We were tried to give away last night on the live show you to the no laying up pro shop here. I'm going to give away $100 in pro shop credit to, I hope this is like Joe's own floor. It's one word, dude. How am I supposed to, how am I supposed to bring your brains up, picking up patterns of like, oh, I missed Jose, sorry, Joe Seale, Joe Seale, Bertoe Flores, that works straight up. That shit works. Joe Seale, Bertoe Flores, 3149. Congratulations. This could be an O's. Gentlemen, I still can't believe it. Funny story. I did get an email a couple of days ago from a J.O. from a Joe. I think that played into this. So shout out to Joe Seale out there. I don't know if he's watching tonight. Joe Seale, Bertoe, full name, please. I hope he's in the comments. Yeah, he deserves another, another gift. I mean, that was a long, long-ass YouTube handle. Joe Seale, Bertoe Flores, I think Bertoe Flores, when we, when we cut though, the best thing about it was like, it's all he's like, yeah, and you don't even really read the names. It's just. Now Lee Roy Jenkins. Because you brought up NLU pro shop, $100. I felt like, you know, the czar, like, okay, let me take this, guys, people. They're excited here. Come on. They want to hear from the czar himself. Like, I, I felt like I owed Joe Seale that that honor. Well, in honor of Joe Seale. Of course, and thank you to Yeti. You can shop their complete product line at Yeti.com. Appreciate everything they do to support us in their content. I wonder if we're going to have a Joe Seale moment today. Well, Cody, our guy yesterday that was, what was he, he was calling us pussy or something like that? He's a gladiator. He's a gladiator. And yes, he wanted it on the record that he was not calling us that word for, per se. Don't want to get the explicit rating on this podcast, but Mr. Jim [BLANK_AUDIO]
- Jim Coverver. - Jim Coverver. - 44-14. - Jim Coverver. - Jeep Carver. - James Kim Carver. - J. M. Coverver. - I'm gonna do one more. - Anyway, yes, T.C. he did reply back, say, he was not calling us that. He was talking to somebody else in the check. - Did Joe Steele reach out? - Of course, yeah. - All right, good. - Dusty Pasca, seven, nine, seven, four, email
[email protected]. - Dusty Pasca. - He's Russian. - Dusty Pasca. - E-Pasca, just a Siberian. - Oh, Randy. - Do you got any T's and T's? - You got some thrills into the lights for us, my guy? - Yeah, I just got a couple of them at the Shams Randy. Come on. - Yeah, why don't we start here, guys, there was no bigger fist pump in this championship until Ryan Foxx on 18, then Casey Jarvis fist pumping his birdie on 18. What a thrill and delight that was finishes at 600 for the championship, tied for six. He'll be back next year. Just love a good fist pump and excitement from somebody that is not gonna win it, you know? - And I just said that, Randy, shout to him. He had an awesome, awesome winter. I watched a lot of him winning on the DP World Tour earlier this year and like, laddering up to success in a top 10 in a major and pathways are open, man. You play good golf, you're gonna have opportunities and you took advantage of a great opportunity this week. Salute to you, Casey Jarvis. - Fedora 5, forward looking index, man. - It is a forward looking index, guys. - Now, Sal, I believe you called him one of those guys that's just on a leaderboard every week. - You said it like it's derogatory, like he's one of those guys. - Yeah, one of the guys that's always up on a leaderboard. That's one of the nicest things I could say about you. - The same guys everywhere, yeah, he's always won. - It was, it was. - Casey Jarvis was in the Fedora 5, the week of March 8th. So, congrats to him. There you go. - Where should we go next? I got a kid, here's one. Just throw him the light, homemade golf swings. Of course, Rhine Fox, you guys touched on it. I had that on my list. The only thing I was gonna say is, of course, I'm not sure, speech, golf game has any brain activity left, but if I were to give him some advice, just do your own thing, man. Quit trying to optimize. Quit trying to build your swing to be something that it's not. I would tell him to lean the other way. Just go homemade, go what feels good, go what feels natural. - The three-pot big was, the three-pot from like four feet or whatever that was, was so uncomfortable to watch. With all the just thoughts that seemed to be going on, how do I pull the trigger? Is my elbow in the right place? It was a lot of projection for me, but it looked wildly uncomfortable. - The exact opposite of Foxy. The guy that just won't write. - Couldn't be, yes, exactly. - Just see ball hit ball. I think that's what Jordan needs to do. Not covering new ground here, but I was not on last night's show. - Couldn't love Rory's comments. Give me more of that. Give me guys speaking their mind. That's the beauty of when guys talk to the media. I just, you know, good on him for saying it how it was. - I mean, that's a big from you, Mr. Big. - I know, all this I'm a hater. - That's probably the most fired up I've been for Rory in some time. - What else is on my list? What did Scottie say about the Rory's, or about the, the Bryson stuff? - It was not today. Very, very succinct. It wasn't very pointed. It wasn't, it wasn't. - I don't know if that word, like I want to say a lot of stuff, but I won't. - He said that he said stuff today. - He's like, I played a lot of golf with Bryson from junior golf on, and he's not a cheater. He said he thought he was careless with how he stepped around his golf ball, understands how that can be a penalty, but feels like the, that penalty is not enforced enough. What I interpreted is like, he'd like to see them tighten up on enforcement on a week to week basis, but also it's tough when certain guys have more cameras on him than others. You know, just kind of like ping ponging back and forth between man, like this should probably be called more, it happens more often. So I see how it's penalty, and also it's unfair because like not everybody has a camera on him, and Bryson's on a cheater. - Yeah, it was a, things are complicated sort of take, which I understand, not really expecting him to have a well thought out dissertation about it afterwards. I think it is a complicated situation. - Well, I was really stoked to hear what he had to say, and then it kinda, and I feel like he bought himself more time after deferring on it on Saturday night. I was like, all right, cool, let's see what Scottie has to say. - I wouldn't be surprised if he does get a follow-up to him having a, he's usually very, very good in Wednesday, Tuesday, press conferences. When it's like, man, I'm not, I didn't just walk up the golf course where I'm clearly trying to not lose it. - That's fair. - You know, I think he's really good in the interview room, and if he gets asked about it, I bet he'll have a good answer. - Against, well said. - Maybe this is a good segue. I just get tickled that Comcast gives the American audience the sky feed through Peacock, like a markedly better broadcast than the one that they are putting up on their national United States feed. - It's incredible to me. So I, use that if we made to bridge into Hamstam, but that was on my thrill and delight list as well. - Can I, before we get to Hamstam, one positive, I do wanna shout out Foxy's Catty. We didn't get this view in the NBC, like, of course, I've versioned, but when they showed the replays, he goes to his knees, and just like the joy, I read that as just like a man that just watched, that was one of the best rounds of golf I've ever seen. To be a part, I don't know. I just, in the background, you see his catty, like I can't believe he just did that. He's pure joy and energy and emotion from watching his guy get it done. That was awesome. I was delighted to see the catty's reaction. - Absolutely. - Just a couple of quick golf shouts with the rest of the leaderboard kind of a little bit on him. - Yeah, let's go down a little bit, and I guess it's you I'm holding back from Hamstam anyways. So yeah, you can go down the leaderboard. - I'm trying to be calm with Hamstam, but I think Lucas Herbert, shout out to him. He was in the mix all week and handled himself well. And was, you know, T6, like really successful week. - It felt like a, I didn't watch like every single shot of his, but I mean, it felt pretty patient for a player that hasn't been in a ton of those spots. You know, he seemed like he didn't let it get off the rails. You know, and he kept battling when he clearly didn't have his best stuff. He was clearly nervous. It was, yeah, that was, it was commendable, commendable finish. - See Woo Kim got a taste of the of the cauldron today and went the other way. - It looks like he did not want to be there. Last three, four holes. He started losing. - He got it done for the team though. We were thrilled with the results. - But yeah, do we have results? - We get to get that. I don't think, I don't think we need to go through what happened in the easy office pools. It is good. The only thing I'll say to see Woo Kim is like it's good when the brain matches the brain, maybe I would say, where it's like, all right man, like this guy's never done, which again is what makes Foxy so fucking awesome today. But it's like, see Woo Kim has just been a completely different player when he shows up at the majors. Like, is he really going to hold it together for 72 holes and you get to like 63 holes? And it's like, no, he's not. It's a moment got straight up too big. And he, but I hope he comes back and does it a bunch more because he's very fun to watch. Adam Scott, T9, I kind of forgot he was playing this week. - Totally, that's a chance coming across my dad. - He's got, he. - Russell Henley, good day, he gave a couple back coming in but was really glad to have him on my squad this week and he was, you know, horse for course, I think. Rasmus Niergaard Peterson, first career appearance at the Open Championship, T9. Ludwig, I don't really, I mean, I feel like we, we've unplugged him, we've plugged him back in, he's booting back up. We'll see what he does. He'll probably win the FedEx Cup or something. Like it's just, it seems like he's getting over the mental block with the putter, but yeah, just, it feels like we're going to get too far down the line and he hasn't won one of these and we're going to look back and be like, holy shit, like this guy wasted the first six years of his career kind of thing. So, love it, we got to get it in gear, big guy. - He just like a mega high floor somewhat low ceiling. Like I think when he came out, we like thought he was a massive high ceiling guy. Are we limiting the ceiling at this point with Ludwig? - I don't think so. I just don't think he's put it all together yet. I think he's like just like raw and weird ways. Like he, I think he was so good as a ball striker that he didn't even have to really be a great putter or be a great chip. I think his chipping's gotten better. I think he's just, like, he's just got to mature and evolve as a golfer. I think he, I felt like,
he was and then he's kind of backslip this year. So I could you could see him go on the Cammy, young route though, you know, with the puddings, you know, it's like it could click with the putter and just, you know, that could be it. The more we talk about these guys too, the more sad I get that Will's Alatoris is just closely on the shelf. I feel like he should be right in the mix with these guys. Brian Gerard, kind of a, you know, birdie this pretty free birdie free 16-pars to bogies just didn't really get it in gear. Cory Connors T-14, just the most uncompetitive T-14, I think I've ever seen. Song J kind of slunked away from it after being in the hunt early tournament, Hedecky, Bryson, Ricky Goddard, a bud-colle orco-penge. Good to see him playing well. He was staying at home this week. He was pretty unhappy about the Bryson stuff. He took to social media to hit out at Bryson. Lauren, Sally, what's your take there? T-18? I'm trying to do the math of it. If he's got enough points to go to Visby in August and have his kid ruin that green all over again with the Tonka track. Lashy, wide-boiled, mobbed up. T-C, I don't know if there's a big payoff for this next one, but again, I famously put a calendar invite five years ago on the Sunday recap. LBC, right? This was set for Sunday, July 19, 2026, back in July of 2021, to revisit T-C, predicting Morakawa wins eight majors after he won at Real St. George in 2021. Man, T-C, this is tough. How old is he? He's 29. He turns 30 before the next major. He is a little baby column, though, for a reason. I think he's been hurt. It sounds like his golf has gotten better this year, once he got injured, which is kind of crazy. I don't know what to do. I don't think he's going to win eight, Sally. I think he's probably got one or two more in him, though. I couldn't tell if T-C was going to try to really hit the shot there. If he saw, if he saw hold the trees that I was not seeing, but yeah, just take it on playable there, T-C. I know I've actually got TIO on this. Yeah, I would like to distance myself from this one, just I know we've been we've been a lot of step for a lot of this pod, but I just I'm not here with you. Yeah. Right hand, Dan Brown, Zander, all T-18. Victor Perez was the low cleak. He was T-28 with Cantley, Keppka. Was he the only cleak in the field? Had to be, right? We got. Moronquist from the field. Low cleak, only cleak. That's good. That's a good change up. I think he had to be. Super. We got to talk super real quick. Super. Yeah, hand up. You got to be for our super. He got caught tampering with evidence today. Check it out of evidence. Internal investigation, that be caught. Guys, I do have to report T-T-46 for P. I have to report our our this or that head to heads that we did on Wednesday's show. All time, epically bad performance by the crew, just extremely, extremely bad. T.C. was the best at nine and 10, nine wins to 10 losses. DJ went eight, eight for 19, eight and 11. I went six for 19, six and 13. Rainy went five and 14 in our head to head. That's really, really tough. I had to do that. Really tough. Extremely tough. Yeah. Yeah. Scotty versus Rory, only Randy hit on that one with Scotty. Only DJ hit Alex Fitzpatrick versus Matt Fitzpatrick. We all had Tommy against Sam Burns. That didn't work out very well. We all had. All had speed against J.T. We all. Yeah. Yeah. It's not good. So anyways. We beat on. Yeah. Yeah. Hamster. Damn. I mean, I feel like I've made my voice known on on X the everything where everything's happening. Kisner's replying to people mid mid broadcast. I didn't quite understand the vitriol. Like his like like his Bryson call or his Bryson minus 10 Sam Burns call. I didn't think that was out of bounds or anything like that. I thought I thought he just could have said it in a more concise or clear way. But like all day it was just there's just no there's never any analysis from anybody. It's just telling us what we're seeing on the screen when we are seeing something on the screen. It's I mean, Sally, you were logging the commercials for a while there. Yeah. It there was a time period there where they went. I can get the final and not time period. It's like the last six holes. Yeah. Like the most important part of the tournament. They took I believe six commercial breaks in a 39 minute span. In like the most crucial stretch of the tournament. It was. I mean, like it's it's we've done this a million times. I don't know how many more times we can do it. So like let the record speak for itself throughout a pull up a poll on the everything app. And sure the crowd on the everything app is a little angsty and and and feisty and self, you know, this is self selecting in some way a total of 5,595 people voted on this in 93.4% of people said the NBC broadcast was unsatisfactory. So you can think we're wrong NBC or you can think, you know, even or if you're a listener that thinks we're wrong on the broadcast, that's fine. But like night. What else could I have asked and gotten 93% of people to vote a certain way? Like I honestly don't know. Like I think people would troll the other way no matter what I asked. That's true. Did Ryan Fox win the tournament? I bet like 10% of people would vote no, just for fun on there. And 93.4% of people price advanced. Yeah. Exactly. Voted unsatisfactory for the NBC product there. So like that. I almost just want to let it speak for itself on that. It is. Yeah. It's impossible to watch. It's dated. It needs blown up and changed. The only thing I'll add because we've been over this a million times too many voices. My answer is it needs to be simplified. Like my biggest frustration is that it's just all clutter which is all controllable. You know, it's like I could put up with the commercials. If it was just let the golf go too many voices just trying to do too much and get too many, you know, commercials in it's just it's just like so if it was like, man, you guys really got to up your camera angles and you got a there's not enough tech involved. If it was that kind of thing, even that though, Neil because the answer was like, you guys don't know how hard this is to broadcast. I'm like, my point is you're making it harder. The issue I have is that you are over complicating what's already a very hard thing to do. We're watching. So Scott Vempelt had a tweet about, you know, just golf Twitter, a large and how it's just a, you know, it's crazy. Nobody's ever satisfied with anything. But I think everybody's united in like, hey, this isn't good. This isn't the answer. Like we're not saying that we know how to broadcast or produce a big time golf tournament. But you are literally giving us the other option of like, there's like sky and the world feed is doing it with less resources. And they're doing it at a far higher level and I get that they have less clutter. But I think we're at the point now with USGA and the RNA where I think for the good of the game, like, be okay with maybe taking less money from a competitor and feeling like you're putting golf in the best foot forward because I think you're turning off an entire generation totally of potential fans. And I think like that's a short-sighted decision that is maybe hurting the long run of the game. And I would say the same thing to the tour as well of just, it's, I mean, they're not even doing the little things, right? Or like the baseline easiest stuff, right? They had American flags next to all sorts of guy, like Lucas Herbert's name yesterday. They had Cameron Young on the on the leaderboard twice. They're missing all sorts of shots. It's I get that they have even the important part. I got that. I get that. No, it's just like details. It's like broken windows stuff. It's just like, like, the house just isn't in order. Like somebody tweeted it today. They're like, yeah, like they're they're televising this like they're under a constant cyber attack. That's what it feels like. And then I mean, digs to your point about like Toreco, like just make it like Toreco and one or two other guys in booths and then a bunch of guys out on the ground to your point and you'll simplify it. Like it's it's and then it's it's just like the camera angles are bad. I don't think Tommy Roy like the game has passed him by like seeing the camera angle that they had for Foxy's final putt. And the camera angle that the world feed had, it's like staring straight down from the top of the club house.
with no, with no context, no reaction, no fans at all versus the world feed one is showing, you know, half the grandstand and all that. I had a friend come in from Australia who he texted me today, he said, man, like, I've been here for three days now. Now I see why what you guys are talking about with NBC. Like this is a, this is horrendous effort. So it's just frustrating, man. Yeah, I don't have anything to add. I agree. The, the thing I'll say is I made the very conscious decision to switch yesterday. I talked about this, but when, when they're having, they're frothing everybody up for Bryson to get to the first tee on Saturday. Who know? Is he going to play? Is he not going to play? Even if you're a casual fan, it's like, that's got to be the number one story. And when you're doing that and playing through, it's just like blaming on contracts, blaming on companies, blaming on the R&A, blaming on the direction, blaming on whatever, I just am not going to be involved. If there's another, if there's an option to watch a different broadcast, that's what I'm going to be. And so I watch Sky and the world feed, which is I feel sheepish saying is available through the media site if you're credentialed. So it's like, we had access to watch that, but it almost was a, it was like proof by omission or like proof by removing yourself from the situation. I was like, I think that's one of my favorite opens I've ever watched today. And I'm like, fuck, is that because I watched it on like really good TV? Or is that because the open always like this? And I just don't, we don't ever get to watch it like this. It just was through me in this weird mindset of, you know, it was almost like disconcerning how fun it was to watch golf on TV. I'm like, I knew it, man. I knew it's fun to watch this. And once you, yeah, once you get rid of all that clutter, it's just you're kind of left with great players playing great golf courses. And that's that's kind of all you need. I would, I would say like, like, if you're the RNA or the USGA or the PGA tour, put them on concurrently on two screens in a conference room and sit there and watch five or six hours. Yeah. And you got to just see, but like in a compliment for the world feed and featured groups in sky, like it's brilliant. The commentary is brilliant. The, the open radio is brilliant. The, the color and width and just description that they use. It's, it's like everything I love about the open. And so my thing is like, why doesn't NBC just save the fucking money and just use the world feed. That's where I'm like, it's all my hands out. Everybody's always yelling at us. This is so hard. It's so expensive. You have no idea. I'm like, dude, I'm just like, what is the world feed? I can't even describe it. Who's paying? I don't understand how the finances of the world feed work. But I'm watching, like, I'm not just watching them do all of these things. The whole thing is the commercial load squeezes all of this out. And like, I, I, again, this is where we all just kind of throw up our hands at each other. Like I get you paid mass of fees and you got to make it back through commercials. And what you're just not getting about this, everyone that wants to argue with, you know, from the, from the networks wants to argue, we don't care who to blame in this. This just sucks. Like this, it six commercial breaks in 39 minutes during the most consequential stretch of it. Like, you don't understand those are the most valuable commercial. No, I do understand those the most valuable commercials. You don't understand to see, to see, see point. You are, you are turning off a entire generation of it. 93.5% of people said that was a completely unsatisfactory effort. Like, if you don't take that and change things, again, this where I don't even want to finish the sentence, then I would finish it by saying then you obviously don't care. But like, that's obvious at this point. Like, they just don't, and it's not going to change until I don't know what cause would cause it to change. I really don't. It, I don't know. I would be more worked up if we weren't able, didn't have the blessing of being able to watch other options this week because it, like, it, it's impossible when you were breaking every five or six minutes or eight minutes, whatever it is, to get into any kind of flow watching, watching a sport. It's just not possible. What if I, all right, what if it's actually a glowing brain false flag thing to just get everybody to subscribe to peacock? I've said for years, I'll pay for this. I'll pay for an option to not have to sit through all these commercials. I really, I fucking love golf. I do. Yeah. God, this is where this turns into a 40-minute conversation. But this is where it's, there's just not enough of those people, Sally. And this is where I think golf gets really interesting over the next 10 years as far as how do you, you allow the casual or the, the very core fans, the people who are like, I'll be there on CBS every Sunday at four p.m. I don't care what tournament it is. How do you allow them to be critical mass enough to support an entire TV deal while also having all of these realities? And we're going to break every five minutes. We're going to just kind of take advantage of the system that we have, but also they're not being enough people to sustain a paid product. It's just, you know, I don't know. It should be very weird. And then you throw in inflated purses and then you throw in, we can't go backwards. And then you throw in rival tours and then you throw in and it's where it's like, all right, well, it's probably good for the two-hour and six-minute mark. But that's fine whether like the PGA tours in that scenario, but I would argue, all right, what's the mission or the intent of these governing bodies? PGA of America included is to be stewards of golf, to be stewards of the game, bring it forward. That's not at all costs, right? Like, like, I just don't know why they need, I don't know, like, I know they're floating their entire budget off of this, but at some point, like at what cost, right? Like if you're turning rabbit golf fans away from your own, your own thing, it's, it's just, it's like, it's like you're choking yourself off. It sucks. So, I just go back to that, you bring Mike Toreco is a total pro, you bring him all the way over there and then you don't use him. He was a spotter. I just don't, I've never, like, I would like one of the executives to explain that to me. He's like, is that his choice? I can't think it's his choice because he's just hanging out. He's he's on at the beginning and he's there at the end. But and then you have like three other crews. I'm like, I agree. This isn't perfect, but they're, they've got a hell of a lot better. But it clears the bar. Like, I don't feel like we need to dedicate 10 minutes. We're not wondering whether they care or not. Yeah. I don't dedicate 10 minutes of like nitpicking their mistakes apart because it's like, it just feels like the effort's there and it feels like they clear that it's never going to be perfect. Again, producing, you know, common thing we say with all these producing a sport with 18 different stages and 70 balls in play is inherently extremely hard. And it's just it's like man, the commercialization of this sport has just gotten out of control and it is suffocating the biggest golf events. And it's kind of like all we, you know, it's the events that have supposedly gotten bigger and bigger with the PJ tour and live separation. And as we get into a new era and whatever that looks like, it's just all got to change. I know this is PGA tour conversation versus USGA in R&A is a different thing, but man, just not it, it's not it. And Michael Kim's commenting on this, like this is this is breaking contained. Like the players are comp, players are texting me about it. Like, you know, I've friends of mine from high school texting me about this. How do you guys watch this every week? Like it, it is broken contain outside of just us bitchy golf Twitter folks. Like that's not what this is anymore. It's a massive problem. But the role that I usually play here, we're not just pointing things out. What I would say is TC had a great idea. I also tweeted this to Josh Carpenter. NBC is off of the golf. So the entirety of the FedEx Cup playoffs will be carried by NBC CBS or CBS. Excuse me. NBC will be back next for the president's cup. I said, I know that they care everybody at NBC. Please sit down in a conference room, do an AAR and have three screens and have the product that they put up, the world feed with Andrew Carter and the sky feed and point out and say, okay, if people are saying this is what we like, there has to be a middle ground there. Playing through has become a crutch. But playing through is also supposed to be an advancement to where you could still see shots. But it's hard when you're comparing it to sky in the world feed where like pivotal shots are going, you have to be able to pull yourself back out of commercial to show them. And we gave glowing reviews here, of course, for having sky on peacock. Please don't take that away. Please, please, don't take that away. That's going to be that's going to be what happens. It's like, oh, I didn't realize we had sky. We got to get rid of that. We have a geo fence that shit. As soon as you guys start in a row, praising it finds out about that. That is what's going to happen. And that would suck. Really, really bad. We mentioned open radio by far. My favorite thing about the open every year, major shout outs. I know Marcus Sue, the great Sophie Walker, everybody else there gave us a lot of run big. Unfortunately, we've been going over for the AIG women's open the last couple of years, no radio this year for the women. So maybe next year, we'll see what happens. But I loved it. Plenty of time cut and grass. There's there's ample opportunities to get your open coverage. It just stinks that like the worst option is the one that we're served here in America. Can I have one more idea for the RNA? Make the world feed available for $10 fee for the week. Like where's put that on peacock? It never breaks. They do not have commercials. It's just golf the whole time. Well, I think that's the thing. They're sending that and then other countries get, you know, they'll put their announcers on it. But that's the thing, these cameras. NBC uses some of the world feed cameras.
as I think, and yet, even the color grading and saturation is totally out of whack. It's like everything, they get everything wrong. Zero taste. - And that's legitimately, it's like, I can nitpick the commentary too, but it's not even, - Oh, yeah. - We could easily do that, but it's just like, dude, yeah, it doesn't. - It's unprepared, it's not it. - Final standings from the easy office pool, Neil won the pool this week, $2.5 million. He didn't win this. - Dedicating my win to Josiel. - His players got $2.5 million. - Fine scenes. - Cameron Young was a big carry there. C. Wu Kim as well, excellent draft from Neil. I got second, just shy of 1.4 million. Randy Bigg, Sunday from Scotty, his favorite player, got him almost a million bucks TC. - He took 500, he mentioned Foxy. - I was digging for you. - Mentioned Foxy before taking Cameron Smith with his last pick. - I was poking around the right waters. - And DJ, with Cody drafting for him, unfortunately, will be fifth, 300 times. - Of course, he was canceled. - Cody, what do you think? You think we're doing the get ready with me video or the watch in the hawk on Netflix? - You're doing the get ready with me video. - For sure. - Neil fucked up his get ready with me video and you got to put the Hydro layer on there. - I have my own process. It's not the process, okay? I went early with the Hydro layer. - You're laying out all these anti-aging over the top of the moisturizer. You just don't, yeah, that's not what you're doing. - You weren't, the question I made it to the bit. Like you were like very clearly paying off a bit. The bit was gonna be like, I need you to like get ready with me as I get ready for the lot. I need you to play with it and you broke the fourth ball. - I don't care, I did it. - It disappointed my way, just like Sinatra. - It disappointed, didn't my way. - Disappointed. - Anything else before we wrap? - Congrats to Foxy. That was a very, very memorable major championship Sunday. It does make me feel better. - It's such a hard afternoon, man. - I know. - Today was like as good as a day as you could possibly dream up. Following yesterday, which was just so shitty, but I'm pumped at Foxy one. Because it seems like a fucking awesome dude. - I think Foxy might have earned great man status today. - You guys came that out to anybody that, you know, basically isn't American. So he was already probably a great man. But I think Ryan Fox Open Champion works really well. Like that, I'm still struggling with Aaron Ry PGA champion. Like that just still feels weird to me, but Ryan Fox Open Champion does not feel weird at all. Like that feels, that feels like a thing. And I'm very, very stoked for him. - It turns out it was coming home. It was just the water maker instead of the clear at jug. - Yeah. - It's true. - All right, that's gonna do it. Special shout out, of course, to our fans at Titleus, the dog that is barking as well. High noon, Holderness and Born and Yeti. And of course, Joe Seale. Thank you, everyone who tuned in this week. Give the no-ling up podcast a subscribe button. If you don't mind. I think if I've done the math right, I believe this is 140 consecutive rounds of major championships that we've done at a live show afterwards. So, if that does not earn us a nest membership joining, join.no-lingup.com. You can find all the great benefits of the nest there. Some behind-the-scenes content, bonus podcast videos, all kinds of things. Discounts in the pro shop. It's all listed there. But thank you everyone that tuned in during major weeks. It always feels weird to end them in July. It feels like there should be other men's major content very soon. We'll, of course, have the AIG Women's Open to wrap up major season, but it has gone very, very, very quickly. But thank you everyone that tuned in live provides a lot of comments in the chat and watches on YouTube or wherever you watch or listen to it. We greatly, greatly, greatly appreciate it. So, thank you to Cody, run the ones and twos, Matt. Runnin' our social. We'll see you back here next week for a slightly less anticipated 3M recap and thanks for tuning in, cheers. - Oh, cheers. - To be the rules podcast Tuesday, 'cause we got some rules stuff coming. That's gonna be a really good one. You're gonna like that one. - That was recorded last week or two weeks ago. - It was recorded prior to all of the Bryce and stuff. - Oh, we still touch on a lot of that stuff. - We do. - We do not with the most recent examples. - Yeah. - But it's gonna be a good listen, I think. So, anyways. - Awesome. - Cheers.
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