Russian strike on buses in Ukraine kills at least 30
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This podcast covers a range of global issues, from the escalating violence in Ukraine, where Russian strikes on civilian infrastructure have resulted in over 30 deaths and rising civilian casualties, to the deepening UK-Israel dispute over settlements, leading to the downgrading of the British consulate in Jerusalem. In Gaza, humanitarian conditions remain dire, with tens of thousands living in tents, hospitals struggling with medical shortages, and neonatal deaths increasing due to lack of resources. Meanwhile, a BBC investigation reveals that workers in Cambodia producing official football kits are paid less than $2 an hour, working in unsafe, oppressive conditions, raising ethical concerns about major sports brands. The story of Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen, who exposed social media harms, is highlighted as a pivotal moment in public awareness, now reflected in a new film. Additional stories include the legacy of pioneering software engineer Margaret Hamilton, whose work ensured the success of the Apollo moon landing, and the extraordinary 28-year solo journey of Carl Bushby, who walked from Chile to the UK without transport, redefining his relationship with home. The episode underscores global injustices, technological ethics, and personal resilience, urging accountability across industries and nations.
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Part of why I blew the whistle was I didn't want to lay in bed in 20 years.
Having seen another million people die, I know that I could have done something when I had a chance.
This week on The Interface, we're talking to Frances Haugen.
The Facebook whistleblower who leaked the documents that changed how the world saw social media.
And now she is the subject of Aaron Sorkin's latest movie, The Social Reckoning.
So join me, Thomas Germain.
And me, Jess Maddox, for The Interface.
Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.
Hello, I'm Charlotte Gallagher and 1300 Hours GMT on Thursday, the 8th of October.
These are our main stories.
At least 30 people are reported to have been killed by a Russian strike on two buses
in the Ukrainian territory.
Israel has downgraded the British consulate in East Jerusalem after threatening to close
it completely over the UK's decision to sanction Israeli goods from illegal West Bank settlements.
Also in this podcast, how people making Premier League football shirts are paid less than
$2 an hour and say they're working in dangerous conditions.
I got electric shock for the second time.
But they only took action after the second time I got shocked.
And recovery efforts for the world's animals reverse species loss as bluefin tuna returns
in huge numbers off the British coast after almost disappearing from UK waters.
Really dramatic to see this recovery of a species that was around in Britain about 70
years ago, but then kind of vanished.
It was incredibly rare to see tuna off the coast of Britain.
Even as recently as 10 years ago.
We start with the latest deadly attack by Russia on Ukraine, this time on buses in the
strategic eastern city of Kramatorsk.
Officials say more than 30 people have been killed.
So why has Russia launched this attack?
I asked our correspondent Abdul Jalil Abdurassilov, who's in Kyiv.
Kramatorsk is one of the key hubs in eastern Ukraine.
It's a key.
Logistical hub and one of the so-called fortress belts in the region of Donbass.
And the Russian forces are trying to cut off all the logistical routes that support the
Ukrainian forces at the front line.
And so perhaps that's one of the reasons why the city of Kramatorsk gets regularly hit
by Russian drones, missiles and aviation bombs.
So this is not the first time when they hit the city.
It happens quite regularly.
And today, according to the Ukrainian authorities, those passenger buses were hit by the Russian
planes.
They were hit by a guided bomb, which suggests that the attack was deliberate.
And the images of the wreckage depict a very miserable story because it looks like those
passengers were trapped in the bus and they were burnt alive.
And President Zelensky today said that the bodies that were recovered from the wreckage
were burnt to such a degree they were not even recognizable.
And there is a sharp increase of civilian casualties in Ukraine.
In fact, according to the U.N.
this year already, the number of civilian casualties has exceeded the total number of
civilian casualties that were registered last year.
And just yesterday, there was another attack on a residential building in the city of Pryluki
in the Chernihiv region, where more than 20 people were killed.
And today, President Zelensky, with the foreign secretary, Ed Miliband, visited that site.
And again, it was a direct hit by a missile and the residential building was destroyed.
And, Abdul Jalil, as winter approaches, how are the Russian strikes intensifying?
The Russians are trying now to target the energy facilities again.
They did that quite regularly in the past.
Last year, when they hit the power plants and substations,
they already started doing this kind of campaign again ahead of the coming winter.
And already just yesterday, President Zelensky said that one of the targets of the attack
that happened yesterday was the energy infrastructure of the country.
So, Russia continues launching this campaign and Kyiv says that they're basically trying
to weaponise the weather in order to force the Kyiv government to accept the peace deal
that is favourable to Russia.
Abdul Jalil Abdur-Isilov.
Next to the row between Britain and Israel, which escalated last month when the UK announced
sanctions on goods from Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.
All the settlements are illegal under international law. Israel has retaliated by announcing
that the British consulate in East Jerusalem has been downgraded to a UK mission after
threatening to close it completely. Gideon Saar is the Israeli foreign minister.
We seek good relations with all countries around the world. However, any country that acts against
Israel should understand that there will be a price to pay. It will not benefit from such actions.
On the contrary.
Our Middle East correspondent Yolan Nel spoke to me,
from outside the British consulate building.
The signage for the British consulate in Jerusalem was taken down from here. That was just ahead of
the 30-day deadline that Israel had set for the British consulate to completely cease its
operations. There is still a British flag that is on display. And then in terms of explanation,
because we had still seen a number of staff, apparently some Brits heading into the building
without any comment, there was a long statement that was posted on
social media by the Israeli foreign minister, Gideon Saar. And he was saying that Israel had
established a clear principle that no country could act against Israel without Israel having
an appropriate response. And he said what measures had already been taken against the UK in retaliation
for its announcement last month of these major sanctions on Israeli settlements in the occupied
West Bank. Now, he said that Israel had established a clear principle that no country could act against Israel without Israel having an appropriate response. And he said that Israel had already been taken against the UK in retaliation for its announcement last month of these major sanctions on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.
And he said what measures had already been taken against Israel in retaliation for its announcement last month of these major sanctions on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.
Now, he said that Israel had established a clear principle that no country could act against Israel in retaliation for its announcement last month of these major sanctions on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.
and 2 million Gazans are squeezed into a small area,
amidst rubble and dust.
Tented cities have come up.
In some areas, they literally touch the coastline.
For now, I'm living in a tent.
Over a video call, architect Amal Abadla showed us where she lives.
That is my tent.
It's not really protected.
I feel very scared because when the wind is so strong,
our tents sometimes get destroyed and damaged.
Amal once lived in a comfortable flat.
Now she's raising her boys, Mohamed and Noah, in a tent.
Amal's husband, who wasn't in Gaza when the war started,
has in three years not been able to get in and even meet their youngest child.
It really breaks my heart to take care of our two boys alone.
It's not easy.
I have no one to help me fill the water, buy food, set a shelter,
this place from a place to another.
So it's a huge responsibility.
Aid and commercial goods cannot flow freely into Gaza
because of strict Israeli controls and the policy of dual use,
which means nothing is allowed into Gaza
which Israel believes could be used to make weapons.
Israel says it does allow in medical equipment,
but inside Gaza's hospitals, critical services,
including those required. to save newborn babies, are severely hindered by shortages.
In this incubator, we have two babies.
Yesterday, one of them deteriorated quite significantly,
needed intubation.
We had to resuscitate the baby right next to the other baby,
which is inappropriate.
Asiya Hanan is a British neonatal doctor working at Nasser Hospital.
Across the last two weeks, I have seen very severe cases
and multiple deaths, which is extremely unfortunate.
One of the main issues which are leading to the death of a baby is the death of a child.
One of the main issues which are leading to the death of a child is the death of a child.
is the death of a child.
Datta. She had actually raised concerns over how she was treated or mistreated. That was about a
decade before 2018. But those concerns were not heard properly. And in 2018, when it came to light
again, Nana Bhattikar had always denied those allegations. And later, police also investigated
the matter and they found insufficient evidence. So he was cleared of the charges. But the whole
incident started a dialogue over how women are treated in Bollywood and resulted in a MeToo
movement in India. That was Janavi Moola in Mumbai.
A BBC investigation has found workers in Southeast Asia are being paid less than $2 an hour to make
official football shirts sold by some of the world's biggest clubs. While these shirts retail
for around $100, workers in two factories in Cambodia told the BBC they struggled
to make ends meet and made up to 700 items a day. Our sports editor Dan Rowan explains.
We traced production of official Adidas kit to two factories in Cambodia's capital Phnom Penh.
There we found some workers earn a basic salary at or just above the local minimum wage.
Their testimony is voiced by actors. Workers get paid less than 10 US dollars
to make around 400 to 500 shirts a day. They make a ton of money of that but give almost nothing to
the workers. The factories aren't owned by Adidas but are primary suppliers to the sportswear giant.
Inside we found official kit for some of the world's biggest clubs. Arsenal, Liverpool, Celtic,
Real Madrid and more. Workers also told us about the pressure they're under. People have to rush
so hard to meet targets that they don't have time for bathroom breaks which leaves them exhausted.
On top of that you can get scolded if undone clothes start piling up on your table. More than 6,000 people work across
the two factories, the vast majority of them women. Two more workers described conditions inside.
The factory is hot and humid. The company does not allow workers to take longer breaks to cool down.
I got electric shock for the second time by a bare wire but they only took action after the
second time I got shocked. This all comes at a time when football fans are being urged to buy
official kits rather than cheaper counterfeit products. But these findings will lead many
supporters to question whether or not the real thing is worth the price tag and the role that
the clubs play in all of this. These are conditions that exist across the sector for many millions of
workers producing our clothes around the world. Anna Breyer is from campaign group Labour Behind
the Label. Clubs need to send a really strong message that they won't put its name on their
shirt if workers are not treated with respect. Adidas told us it's taken a variety of measures
to ensure fair and safe working conditions. Adidas told us it's taken a variety of measures to ensure
fair and safe working conditions across its supply chain, reviewing supplier conduct and working to
address problems where necessary. It says workers are usually paid considerably more than the minimum
wage, that specific guidance is in place to manage heat and that its standards do not permit any form
of harassment. 6,000 miles from where these shirts are made, supporters may expect buying official kit
to guarantee certain standards. But there are now fresh questions over what goes on at the other end
of the supply chain. Dan Rowan with that report.
One of the football clubs replied to the BBC's request for comment.
Margaret Hamilton, the pioneering computer scientist who helped land US astronauts on the
moon, has died aged 90. She's often credited with coining the term software engineering.
Helen Briggs looks back at her life. It's the 20th of July 1969. The world is transfixed as
the lunar module, the Eagle, descends towards the surface of the moon. Suddenly,
the computer flashes alarms and, for a moment, the mission hangs in the balance. But with high
confidence in the computer code developed by Margaret Hamilton and her team, the historic
landing goes ahead. Her team at MIT had built the system to cope with exactly this kind of event,
knowing lives depended upon it. Speaking years later to the BBC World Service podcast,
13 Minutes to the Moon, she explained her approach.
I began to get fascinated by errors because there were no tools for finding them.
They almost didn't exist like they do now. We try to understand the errors and find new ways
not to let them ever happen again. The astronauts' lives were at stake.
Born in Indiana in 1936, Margaret Hamilton studied mathematics and joined the MIT
Instrumentation Lab while raising a young daughter. She became the first software
developer hired for the Apollo project and one of the few women at the heart of the endeavor
to send man to the moon. Her brilliance as a software engineer was never in doubt.
She's credited with coining the phrase and founding the discipline. After Apollo,
her work shaped later space missions and she went on to found her own companies and published more
than 130 scientific papers on computer science. She received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from
Barack Obama and even inspired a Lego figure celebrating women of NASA. Margaret Hamilton
remained a role model throughout her life. Her advice to young coders was simple. Do not let
fear get in the way and never be afraid to ask questions.
That was Helen Briggs looking back at the life of Margaret Hamilton.
Now, finally, a story to make your jaw drop because on November the 1st, 1998, Carl Bushby flew from
the UK to Chile with one goal in mind, to travel back on foot. Now, Carl is back on British soil
after walking for 28 years. He's been speaking to Alex Ritson.
The plan was fairly straightforward. It was a case of we're going to get back from the
tip of South America to the UK unassisted by any form of transport.
So the challenge was just to get from the furthest point on the planet back home. You know,
we've been looking at maps and join lines. And at one point, we ended up connecting the continents
because theoretically speaking, it might be possible to cross this Bering Strait,
which would link the Americas to Asia. And the more excited I become and the more pushback I got
from the rest of the world, it just made it all the more enticing. And looking at the maps, there
were these gaps, the Darien Gap between Colombia and Panama, this big swath of jungle, which is
basically a war zone. And then,
you've got the Bering Strait, so this 57 miles as the crow flies, stretch of ice and water,
joining the continents that no one had actually managed to cross on foot at that point. Then,
ultimately, the English Channel to the UK. Which you just swam across.
Yeah. So, I mean, theoretically, we had this huge challenge. And then we just made two simple rules.
Rule number one was I cannot use any form of transport to advance.
And rule number two, I can't come home until I arrive
on foot.
That's the most extraordinary thing. You didn't allow yourself
any holidays from this. No trips back home. The last time you saw your home was 28 years ago.
Yeah. So, then you start to question the concept of home. Because home, for me,
became something very different. I mean, the UK, for half my life, has been a distant myth.
My home was wherever I was. It was the road. It was the journey. It was the purpose behind it all.
What was the most dangerous moment of your trip?
There were definitely some spicy moments there in the Darien Gap.
You're basically sneaking through the front line of the fighting between FARC and the
Colombian Army and the right-wing paramilitaries. You know, you end up at gunpoint a couple of times
and it can get really interesting. And you're pushing through some real challenging terrain.
And then, eventually, you're pushing through a winter in Alaska to get to the Bering Strait.
And then you've got to get over the Bering Strait, which is a formidable piece of
environment. Great if you're a polar bear, but terrible if you're not. And then Siberia,
again, all winter travel. There was probably a number of, "Oh my God, I think I'm going to die
moments there in Alaska, for sure." And then, you know, there's just these amazing stories
and adventures in between as you traverse massive expanses of the planet.
You're back in England. In a few days, you are going to be back home. You're going to see your
family again. How is that going to be? I mean, this has been your life for 20 years.
It's a process. I'm reconnecting with the UK. I'm doing the conversion of pounds to dollars
in my head, so I understand the money. I'm walking around the shops, trying to understand
what the products are compared to what I'm used to. For me, the UK right now is a foreign country.
It's something I now have to learn how to do again. Any regrets? Absolutely not.
And that was Carl Bushby. Before we go… Hi, I'm Celia Hatton, one of the presenters of the Global
News Podcast. Hi, I'm Celia Hatton, one of the presenters of the Global News Podcast.
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part of why i blew the whistle was i didn't want to lay in bed in 20 years
having seen another million people die i know that i could have done something when
when i had a chance this week on the interface we're talking to francis haugen the facebook
whistleblower who leaked the documents that changed how the world saw
social media and now she is the subject of aaron sorkin's latest movie the social reckoning so
join me thomas germain and me jess maddox for the interface listen on bbc.com or wherever you get
your podcasts
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Russia has intensified attacks on Ukraine, including a deadly strike on buses in Kramatorsk that killed over 30 civilians, with officials confirming the attack was deliberate and targeting logistical hubs.
The UK and Israel have escalated tensions after the UK imposed sanctions on Israeli settlements, prompting Israel to downgrade its British consulate in East Jerusalem and threaten full closure.
In Gaza, over 2 million people are living in overcrowded, unsafe conditions amid rubble, with severe shortages of medical supplies leading to infant deaths and deteriorating healthcare.
Workers in Cambodia producing official Premier League football shirts earn less than $2 an hour, facing dangerous, hot, and stressful conditions with minimal breaks or safety measures.
Frances Haugen, a Facebook whistleblower, exposed harmful social media practices that influenced global perception, and her story is now central to Aaron Sorkin’s film *The Social Reckoning*.
Despite claims of fair labor practices, major brands like Adidas face criticism for enabling exploitative supply chains, prompting calls for accountability and ethical standards.
A historic lunar mission was made possible by Margaret Hamilton’s pioneering work in software engineering, where error prevention became a life-saving discipline.
Carl Bushby completed an unprecedented 28-year solo walk from Chile to the UK, facing extreme terrain and danger, transforming his understanding of home and identity.
Summary:
This podcast covers a range of global issues, from the escalating violence in Ukraine, where Russian strikes on civilian infrastructure have resulted in over 30 deaths and rising civilian casualties, to the deepening UK-Israel dispute over settlements, leading to the downgrading of the British consulate in Jerusalem. In Gaza, humanitarian conditions remain dire, with tens of thousands living in tents, hospitals struggling with medical shortages, and neonatal deaths increasing due to lack of resources. Meanwhile, a BBC investigation reveals that workers in Cambodia producing official football kits are paid less than $2 an hour, working in unsafe, oppressive conditions, raising ethical concerns about major sports brands.
The story of Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen, who exposed social media harms, is highlighted as a pivotal moment in public awareness, now reflected in a new film. Additional stories include the legacy of pioneering software engineer Margaret Hamilton, whose work ensured the success of the Apollo moon landing, and the extraordinary 28-year solo journey of Carl Bushby, who walked from Chile to the UK without transport, redefining his relationship with home. The episode underscores global injustices, technological ethics, and personal resilience, urging accountability across industries and nations.
FAQs
The BBC Global News Podcast covers global current events, including conflicts, humanitarian crises, social issues, and cultural stories from around the world.
At least 30 people were reported killed in the Russian strike on buses in Kramatorsk, Ukraine.
Russia is targeting energy infrastructure to disrupt Ukraine's winter energy supply and to pressure the Ukrainian government into accepting a peace deal favorable to Russia.
The British consulate in East Jerusalem was downgraded to a UK mission after Israel retaliated against UK sanctions on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.
Workers in Cambodia are paid less than $10 per day to produce official football shirts, with some earning only a few dollars per shirt despite the retail price being around $100.
Workers face long hours, hot and humid conditions, lack of bathroom breaks, and are often scolded for unfinished work, with little time to rest or recover.
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