Russian ATTACK On NATO Country THWARTED, WW3 Fears Debated w/ James Klug

- You're the best field operative I've ever had. You were born for it. In '81, the embassy went down. We go 25 million in the wall. - Where? - Hotel Tehran. - This is bad, like run for the hills bad. - Do it, now! - I don't have the money, but I've got something more valuable. - You shall know the truth. - The truth? - They don't make you free. - The Fix, in theaters, September 11th. - Romanian intelligence reports they stopped a Russian sabotage operation on NATO military targets. And this is a wild claim to make. Because if it's true, this means that Russia made a direct attempt attacking a NATO member. But everybody's kind of keeping the temperature down. Now, of course, the debate rages on over whether or not calling it World War III is warranted, and we have that debate. We have the media simultaneously, various outlets saying this is World War III. It is here, especially in Europe and Eastern Europe. But then we have other publications saying, stop calling it World War III. The reality is everybody, just nobody knows. Everybody's got thoughts on when or how it will happen, but nobody really knows. Because when you look back at history, hindsight is 20/20. But should it be true that Russia actually attempted, a strike, an attack in a NATO member country that could trigger Article 5, which would require other NATO member states to join in and go to war with Russia? So far, it doesn't seem like Romania is arguing this is an act of war, but it is still an escalation. And the question then, of course, is how many grains of sand until you have a heap? With the missile incursions into Polish territory, and oh, whoops, Russia made a mistake. We're not gonna, you know, think too much about it. With the CIA director meeting in private with Russian intelligence for reasons we don't understand. And now with this, we have snowflakes potentially forming an avalanche, but we just don't know when or even if something could kick off. Now, recently we saw Ukraine attack the Iranians in the Caspian Sea as they were supplying Russia with weapons, expanding the conflict, roping in the Iranians into the Ukraine-Russia conflict, which of course brings the Americans in, which we've already kind of been in. We're entangled in this Iranian war, which seems to be another quagmire. And our last carrier was pulled out of the Pacific for the first time in generations. And China, of course, is salivating over Taiwan. Then you've got the capture of Maduro and the capitulation of Venezuela and the isolation of Cuba. We do have conflicts bubbling up all over the world. Maybe it means nothing, but we'll go through those debates. We'll talk about it. Plus, we've got some jurors coming out from the Lindsay Clancy trial outraged at one man, would not say she was not guilty. And so she has a mistrial. But apparently they're raising tons of money and they're all very excited about it. We'll talk about that. Plus, we've got some funny Hunter Biden news, a controversy over Channel 5, allegedly giving him an email list illegally. Now they're claiming they didn't, but others are saying that they did. And then Democrats are actually contemplating Hunter Biden for 2028. Not kidding. They're like, who do we got? Who do we got? I guess John Ossoff and AOC joining us today to talk about this and of course, everything else. We've got James Kluge. What's going on, brother? - Oh man, thank you so much for having me. My name is James Kluge. I do political street conversations over at youtube.com/jameskluge. You guys, I'm very happy to be here. Thank you so much for having me. - Of course, the boys are hanging out. - Big pleasure, man. It feels like the moment in history when there's this mechanic in like ancient Greek play is called the deus ex machina. It means the day of the machine, the God and the machine. - God from the machine. - Yeah. And it seems like AI might be that God that like we pulled Excalibur out of the stone and we have the solution to the problem. - Ian, that's not what that means. - Learn to wield that thing. - I just told Ian about the open AI, what is it? They don't even have it. It's an internal model that did some crazy mathematics and now he thinks that the world is ending. - No, no. - It's a reference to in storytelling, you as the creator of this universe can make things happen to fit your narrative. - Or in the play, it would be like the world's falling apart. Everyone's losing at the very end, a big machine, literally would fly on stage and be like, I am God, I am here to solve it and it would make everything right again. It was a real cheap mechanic. - It means plot armor basically. - Plot armor? - It basically means plot armor. - Yeah, yeah. - Like the world's ending and then all of a sudden you go, right as the meter is about to strike, another meter hit it out of the sky and it was gone. - You see it in so many American movies that just at the end of the movie where all hope is lost, the thing saves the day. Well, it feels like that might literally be happening with artificial intelligence. - Carter's here. - I am here and yeah, it's getting pretty crazy out there with AI and everything else. But yeah, it's been a great weekend. Glad to have you all here and glad to be back at it. Tim, let's go. - Also, I just want to point out, Carter went super saiyan. - I did. You know, this is the. - Yeah. - Put my hair in a man bun and then I'm like-- - I'm digging the new look, man. - Whoa. - It's like literally the guy. - Definitely digging the new look. - He's transforming. - Right. - He's never looked stronger actually. - Indeed. - Indeed. - I watched an AI video of, it was a Seinfeld thing where George was Krillin and Jerry was Piccolo and he was arguing about how in mid transformation, he got punched in the face and Jerry was like, why not transform in the car and then come to the fight? It was wild where AI is currently at. - For sure. - In creating a Seinfeld Dragon Ball parody. It's just, we're going to talk about this because Astra just came out, GPT Astra. And guys, this may shock you, but I was wrong. Now that we've let that settle. My timeline was way off. I was like, man, in like two years, you'll be able to like go on Disney and say, make me Spider-Man and the Hulk fighting zombies or whatever. No, it's literally right now. The things that GPT, Astra can do Grand Theft Auto 7 will be done in a year. I'm learning a decade, but we'll get into all that. I don't want to go. I don't go too deep because we got news to talk about, but I appreciate it. Before we get started, my friends got a great sponsor for you is Keet.io. It's a messaging app. Download it. Keet.io/Timcast IRL is a question. Why should your messaging app need to know anything about you? Why do they need your email? Why do they need your phone number? Why do they need your profile? Why do they need your private sensitive data? It doesn't make sense unless, you know, they're trying to spy on you for some reason. Most of us have already accepted that tech companies collect an enormous amount of information. What we click, where we go, what we buy, who we interact with. That information is valuable because your attention is valuable. Keet takes a radically different approach. 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I think people are tired of the anger, the vitriol. And I think most people are kind of just tired of the 24/7 news cycle. So we built an evergreen conversation show at The Tim Pool Show. Men Don't Need Therapy is about to crack 1 million views. Absolutely incredible. Thank you guys so much for watching. Check it out, subscribe, share it if you like it. It's much lower energy. And with that being said, we're gonna talk about the state of social media today and the need to turn the volume down. Everybody is just increasingly getting crazier. So we'll talk about that. Before we do, of course, let's talk about where we're getting with this war stuff. We got this report from Reuters. Romanian intelligence service says it prevented Russian sabotage operation. Romania's SRI intelligence service prevented a sabotage operation coordinated by Russia on Romanian territory. Ukraine's European allies seek to counteract what they say are Moscow's attempts to destabilize them. European countries blame Moscow for sabotage, cyber attacks and disinformation targeting supporters of Kyiv's war effort. They include an August drone attack at Leipzig HAL airport, is it HALI? That ratcheted up tensions between Berlin and Moscow. Russia has repeatedly denied any involvement in sabotage. The Russian embassy in Bucharest did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Tuesday. Now this is absolutely insane. Russia has shut down the consulate in St. Petersburg, the German consulate. Germany has shut down the Russian consulate. They've accused Russians of drone striking an airport. There is now direct accusations that Russia has launched physical military strikes on NATO countries, including Germany and Romania. The question I suppose is, let me do this. I know everybody gets angry when we put World War III fears or escalation in the title. But my friends, this is not me being like, hey, let's say World War III because it'll do better and it'll freak people out. Literally, when you search it on Google, you have conflicting arguments over the state of global conflict. Stop declaring World War III, says Loai Institute. Has World War III already started, says the New York Times? No, we are not on the eve of World War III, says Asia Times. The Japan Times, are we on the verge of World War III? Here's the hill, World War III is already here. Stop declaring World War III, says Real Clear Defense. The Washington Examiner writes, has arrived. Barack reveals secret Israel-Syria talks, warns small military mistake could spark World War III, how World War II could turn into World War III. The point is, every major publication internationally has some article saying this is the debate right now. With Russia attacking Germany, with Russia attacking Romania, with Ukraine striking Iranian shipments to Russia through the Caspian, with the U.S. strike on Venezuela, the capture of Maduro, the isolation of Cuba, with the war in the Persian Gulf, with Iran refusing to back down, and China running sorties over Taiwan, we have conflicts bubbling up from every major world power in nearly every corner of the planet. The question, of course, is legitimate. Are we staring at World War III, or are people so tired of clickbait they don't want to recognize an escalation? Finally, is it all really just hubbub and conflicts happen all the time? It's not hubbub. It's the Great War World War I was called the Great War. It started in 1914. It's essentially never ended. It toned down when the Allies won the first time around. They split a bunch of Germany apart. Hitler then comes to power. World War II begins. But it was essentially the Great War continued. He still wanted to take over France. There was animosity from the previous fighting. Now, then the war went cold, and the Soviet Union and the Americans pointed weapons at each other for 70 years. And now we're seeing this iteration of that same conflict. It's about Middle Eastern hegemony. During World War I, the Ottoman Empire was destroyed by the French and the British, and they set up Israel where it's at. Basically, that's when that began. So they took over Iran between the 20s and the 50s. So that's part of that conflict post-World War I. It's still vying and trying to seize control of the Middle East. It's been going on for about 100, since airplanes were invented, and we really mastered artillery bombardment. It's opened up a new war. Before World War II, war was kind of a constant in Europe. There was, like, nuclear weapons kind of ended that. That's why we had the Cold War. Europe is the big pain in the balls here. I mean, the Middle East is its own issue. But, like, what's going on between Russia and Germany, that doesn't really have anything to do with the Middle East. That has to do with Russia and Germany. These guys are the usual suspects. Both World War I and World War II, Russia and Germany were major belligerents in it. The third part of the equation is the Ottomans. The Ottoman Empire longest running empire. There are no Ottomans now. 1917, it was broken up. That was over 100 years ago. The point that I'm making is, what's going on now is Europe. There are some people over there that are probably. You're the best field operative I've ever had. Where? Hotel Tehran. This is bad. Like, run for the hills bad. Do it. Now. I don't have the money. But I've got something more valuable. You shall know the truth. The truth? They'll make you free. The Fix, in theaters September 11th. We're still like, yeah, the Ottoman Empire, won't we? Yeah, I mean, I assume so. But here's the point. Here's the point. Guys, guys, guys. War is the natural state of human civilization. I know people don't want to hear it. They don't like to talk about that. But we grew up in a golden age. The Soviet Union collapsed. The proxy wars were winding down. And we had Henry Kissinger's limited warfare. None of it is good. I'm not saying any of it is good. We want there to not be war. War is bad. But all of human civilization, there's war nonstop. Like, the periods of the United States, how many, what is it, like, 10 years of America's history was not at war? If that. But if you look at every other country on the planet, it's not unique to the United States. No. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the US became a global hegemon, dominated everything through economics, the liberal economic order, the new world order, as H.W. Bush said. And we grew up in this golden age of economic expansion in the United States, where we were like, hey, we have these limited wars. War is bad. We don't want it. For about 10 years, we had limited wars. And then we got full scale invasion. We had it in Desert Storm, don't get me wrong. But the 90s was limited wars, what Henry Kissinger called it. Ian brings it up quite a bit. Then we got full scale occupation for 20 years with the Bush administration. That period from the fall of the Soviet Union to Bush is an anomaly in world history. For sure. Yeah. The big question marks right now are the Chinese, because the Chinese. The Chinese were allied with the Americans during World War Two. After the war, there was the Communist Party revolted and took over the country. So that's kind of a question mark. And the Russians now, the Federation is not the Soviet Union. So their behavior is a question mark. And I think a lot of the technocracy that's being fielded out of the CCP with the Davos groups and things like that is a way to prevent a global war to go hot again. We're like, if we can pacify the population through technocracy and get people to, you know, come together in a lot of ways, communication and things that prevent. Like global wars has been nuclear weapons and the liberal economic order. Like those two things have been the biggest reasons why there haven't been major worldwide worldwide conflict conflicts. The United States and Russia had a bunch of nuclear missiles pointed at each other. And so it was economics like NP and basically the world was deciding whether or not it was going to be communism or market capitalism and market capitalism has made made most countries. that engage in it, including China, wealthy enough to think that, you know what, it's probably not a great idea to engage in all out war for sure. The largest commonly cited stretch in the United States of that armed conflict is about seven years. Yeah, that's so depending on how you like to parse it. But if the definition of armed conflict there, like, are we talking just because right now we're at war with Iran, but they're like, no, we're not. And so I'm like, I'm not playing stupid games. Okay, we're clearly at war with Iran. We blew up their leadership. We're occupying the Persian Gulf. We're at war, but not and they don't want to declare it legal. legally. I'm not playing stupid semantic games with the government. 22 years out of 249. Now, I guess, because it's 250. So it's 22 years out of 250. How long did Vietnam go for? 10 years? 15 at least? 58 to 73 or something or 72. I think it's right. Advisors went in first before they started sending in a lot of troops. They started, I want to say, let me check to make sure. It was like the French were in there first and then we sent advisors with guns. It was kind of interesting. I was having a conversation with a couple guys from Czech Republic a few weeks ago when I was in Ceuta in Spain. And one of their major concerns was Russia was so top of mind and where the US was positioned speak like where we were and what our thoughts were about the conflict. And for them, it's a huge deal. And it's a huge deal to all these countries over there. But their main question was like, you know, they end up attacking or doing something like this to a smaller NATO ally. You guys really going to support sending American men to go fight for that country? To answer your question, 3,500 Marines landed on March 8th, 1965 when Johnson was the president. Okay. Eight years. I thought it was way longer than that. Well, that was when troops officially or when the first Americans arrived? When Marines landed. Oh, when Marines landed before they had advisors in there before that advising the French troops. Yeah. The Russians are badass humans, dude. They're Viking descendants like we are. You know, the Vikings went west and became British. The Britons and then Americans and the Vikings went east and south and became river men of the north. The Russians, the fucking Russians, dude, they're hardcore. I see why they terrify people. Language again? Language? I apologize to all my Russian brethren out there. I'm only trying to build you up. Russians are not descendants from Vikings. Modern Russians are primarily descendants of Slavics. You're talking about the Rus? I watched them, dude. The Kievan Rus are from Ukraine. Yeah, yeah. And the majority of Russians are not descended from Vikings. Modern Russians are primarily descendants of Eastern Slavic tribes. Okay, but those guys are Vikings, too. No, they weren't. Ian, correction. I believe Kiev was the capital of the Russian Empire for some time, right? Yes, it was. Russians came from Kiev. This is what Vladimir Putin was talking about when he sat down with Tucker Carlson. The Kievan Rus were the actual first Russians in Ukraine. That's part of why Russia looks at Ukraine as actual Russia. Look, Russia lost the soft power battle. That's just it. They lost the soft power battle. The West was gaining influence with Ukraine. That's threatened their natural gas monopoly. The U.S. was courting favor with Ukraine and the EU. Real quick. Can I just point out that Phil was wrong about that? Okay, hold on. I had to fucking divert my energy, dude. Yes, okay. Put a pit in it. The point is Ukraine wanted to join the EU because the Schengen zone would allow Ukrainians to freely move out Europe and get jobs, which would dramatically improve their lives. Russia couldn't compete with that. They didn't have the resources. And a lot of Ukrainians don't trust Russia for obvious reasons in their history. So Russia, losing the soft power battle, decides physical armed conflict, which is the line we say no to. So, look, man, if I'm negotiating with somebody and I'm winning the negotiation, so you pull out a gun, you're the bad guy. That's just it. Anyway, Ian, make your point. Phil was wrong. Yeah, the Kievan Rus were descended from Vikings and Eastern Slavs. So what the point of that, you interrupting me there was really annoying, dude. I'm looking. I'm simple. I'm not Russian. Yeah, Phil, you want to look? You want to look at what it says? You read an internet thing and you interrupted me. So, like, chill out if you really have real data. Bring it up. It's as real as anything you look up on the internet. It was incorrect. Real shit, apparently. I'm looking at the A. I'm looking at the brave search. Are Russian guys in the standoff? Don't interrupt me with stuff that you're not sure about just because you read it on the internet. Who has a sloppier take from AI? Look, we have common ancestry with the Russians in some ways. Phil, you are completely wrong. Completely wrong. Yeah, the Kievan Rus, for which are the Eastern Slavs, were before that Vikings. Oh, okay, all right. And the Britons before Britain were Vikings. Let me just pull this up. Historical consensus indicates the original Rus people were Varangians, Norsemen, Vikings, mostly from modern-day Sweden, who traveled down to Eastern Europe, rivers to trade and raid. So ultimately, what became the Slavic people were originally, like, maybe not Vikings is not the right word, but from that region. The Eastern Slavic tribes with significant ancestral contributions from Finno-Urik, Turkic, and other local populations. Whoa, look at this. I mean, I got to say, like, Ian nailed it. A Viking warrior named Rurik established a ruling dynasty in the 9th century, creating the political framework for early East Slavic lands. The Vikings came down the Volga River. That's how they were so dominant in Eastern Europe, was through the Volga and other rivers. They were river men, and they were seamen as well. It says that they don't have significant Viking DNA. It says, however, the Rus people, who established the first Eastern Slavic state, Kevin Rus, were likely of Scandinavian Viking origin. The small Norse elite ruled over the Slavic population, gave the land its name, and provided the initial ruling dynasty, the Rurikins. But they were genetically and culturally assimilated into local Slavic country over time. Consequently, while Russians have Swedish Viking roots in their political and cultural ancestry, they do not have significant Viking DNA. But that's because their country was established by, like, the Norse or whatever, and then other people came and joined after the fact. That's what I'm reading. Russia comes from the Rus, tying their national identity to the Norse origin founders. Hardcore dudes. Even though the genetic and cultural makeup remained overwhelmingly Slavic. Yeah, they conquered. They took over the territory, essentially, and then set it up legitimately. So we have a lot in common with these people ancestrally. The point was, I understand why people are afraid. You're saying it was the Spanish people are terrified of the Russians right now? Well, I didn't talk to them. I was talking to people from Czech Republic. Czechs. I mean, they wanted to talk about that whole evening. They wanted to know where the American people stood or where me and my group stood on that issue. And it's crazy because, dude, you talk to the average American, they're not thinking about this one bit. I think because we essentially dominated the Cold War, the Americans think that the Russians are a non-factor. The truth is the Russians are one of the most vicious humans on the planet. A lot like Americans. And they both can save the day and wreck it. So I think the reason the Allies won World War II is because the Russians, Hitler idiotically betrayed them. But the Russians, the defense of Stalingrad is one of the most heroic tales ever told by a human. Ever, ever in the history of humanity. It's maybe the most epic defense in common. Yeah, a horrifying battle. And it went on. Bro, the Russians are a brutal people. And I don't say that derisively. Like, historically, from their own internal conflicts to living in the, like, isolated north to fighting these wars and surviving winters. Yeah, they can withstand negative 60 degrees Celsius like naked. But also the important factor of, like, they win wars with the Zett-Branigan method, which is sending wave after wave of their own men to die. For sure. Famously, in World War II, the issue was that the Germans were building these really elite, beautiful tanks. That could withstand everything. And the Russians were like, just make a bunch of crappy ones. Who cares? They'll blow up, but whatever. You know, we can send wave after wave of cheap crap tanks and wear them down. Yeah, they had, what, the T-51 tank? It's the Zerg. You know what the Zerg is, right? Yeah. Yeah, mass amounts of troops to overwhelm the enemy. Even though the enemy has better weapons, they can't stop the onslaught. So this is really, really cool, actually, for those that don't know. Zerging is a military tactic where you just send as many of your lowest level guys as fast as possible. And you'll see it a lot in competitive stuff. You just charge right in with all your lowest level dudes. And it comes from StarCraft, where, I could be wrong, but I believe it does. Yeah, the Zerg is the rudimentary basic soldier. And you just, instead of trying to build up this complex military base with crazy science and tools, you just spam the weakest little guy and just keep sending them nonstop. Yeah, the Zerglings. The Zerg is an entire species of just overrun. Now it's a verb that means to rush and overwhelm with immediate force, which is kind of like Blitz. It's kind of funny that that's the name of the country, rush in, you know? Literally, in World War II, it was like, the story is told. You die, the guy behind you, they didn't have enough rifles, but they had enough men. They would pick up one of their fallen brethren's rifles and keep going. That was the Chinese. The Chinese did that, too. It's no man, no turning back. I don't know, they would be, but they would be like, we're going to kill you if you turn around. There's no other choice but to push forward. And they survived, and they won. Stories like that come from the Korean War, like the Incheon Reservoir, I think it was. Japanese, too, were ruthless like that as well. They would do that kind of stuff? Oh, yeah. Oh, when it comes to, oh, your guys die, just keep charging. Yeah, yeah. Well, they'd blow themselves up. Oh, yeah. The Chinese would like, they would send dudes to the front without rifles, and the guys with the rifles would be in the front, and they'd say, when someone dies, just pick up their rifle, and you go. When fighting the Japanese? No, fighting the Americans during the Korean War. Probably a lot of super poor people, probably, you know, maybe people in jail, hey, if you survive, you get freedom. Maybe. But, yeah, the tactic of just sending wave after wave of. Of humans into the meat grinder, I mean, that's kind of what's going on in Ukraine right now. Like, they're at a stalemate because of the trench warfare. Russians just keep sending people in, and the Russians have a lot more people than the Ukrainians. Dude, with those drones, too, those, what are they called? FPV, is it? First Person View, yeah. Those are the ones where you wear the goggles. Yeah, I mean, those gotta be some of the most brutal forms of warfare as well. I mean, the toll that that's happening, having on troops has to be just. And I don't, I don't, I'm. The sound, everything, and I mean, it's just horrifying. I'm not, I'm not like, I'm not pro-Ukraine war, but I will say that the United States is learning a lot from what's going on in Ukraine and Russia. And you sometimes wonder if that's the intended condition. I mean, you know. When was the last time the U.S. got to do a full-scale test of advanced. Well, doesn't the U.S. do the same thing with Israel? I mean, you're kind of looking at these people that are guinea pigs, where we get to test all of our equipment. And I think, that's not talked about enough, that a lot of the conflict we see with Israel may very much be. Israel is a weapons developer. They've got chip production, technology development, cyber security. It's a U.S. sandbox. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but they certainly love to sandbox out some of this stuff. Oh, totally. Absolutely. And that, and that, that sets us apart from our adversaries, where like you have China and a great example of that actually was the, what was it, the anti-aircrafts satellites that they had? Or what was it in Venezuela? You guys know what I'm talking about? Is it, is it anti-air? What, what, what were the, the radars that they had? Oh, they just, there was, there was a bunch of. It was supposed to be detecting fighter jets and all that. The Chinese said that they were, they were sending the Venezuelans there, like top of the line stuff. Correct. Now, obviously they weren't sending their top of the line stuff. They're not going to do that, but it proved that they swore up and down that the radars could detect whatever the U.S. had to throw at them. And that shit was just not true. Exactly. And that's where you have, you actually like have battle tested equipment that the U.S. has because of all of these conflicts. going on across the world. And then last thing as well, after that, I don't know if you guys saw those memes after those radars were like exploding from American aircraft, but it was like, oh, they actually did work. You know that an American aircraft is nearby when the radars explode. Yeah. I mean, you know, the U.S. is, the, the Venezuela op really kind of made it clear that the U.S. does still have the edge over, over, you know, our, our needs. near peer or peer countries. Now, granted, China and Russia have massive militaries, and I'm not trying to make the argument that the U.S. would be able to handle a full scale war with the with China with the same kind of results that we got in Venezuela. Clearly, that's not true. And that's not the point I'm making for sure. But the U.S. does have the edge over basically every other country. Right. I mean, if it were a situation where China was confident that they had the technology to handle our our our military, they wouldn't have all of their navies or sorry, all of their their ships be built to naval specifications so they could use them in the event in the event of a war. This is something that's really interesting, too, I think, is you often hear people say, OK, well, China has that as well. Right. Oh, we the U.S. has this. Well, China has that. Oh, F-35. Well, China has an F-35 competitor. The performance is the question that you should be asking after that. How can it perform? It can perform up to the level that our equipment can perform. Yeah. And I mean, look, I don't I don't know. I imagine China has really, really good intel on what the U.S. can do for sure. And there's plenty of industrial espionage that goes on. So I'm sure that they have the schematics for a lot of stuff. I've heard, you know, rumors and read stuff on the Internet that says that they have, you know, basically eyes and ears in most of our aerospace companies and stuff. But the materials that we use are still a secret, if I understand correctly. So you can make a plane that's shaped like, you know, an F-35 or shaped like a an F-22. But the materials that it's made of are still something that the U.S. has. Let's let's jump to the story. Speaking of material needs. Oh, boy. World War Three, ladies and gentlemen, Canada's pissed. World War North. Trump hits back as Canada imposes new tariffs on U.S. goods. Canada's decision to retaliate against Trump's recent tariffs has triggered another front in the trade war. Now, I want to say right off the bat, what you could expect is likely a serious negative for the American economy, for the American people, especially if you're working directly in these trades, clothing, cheese, metal parts, wood products. We're going to be we're going to be short on aluminum. That being said, I do think it's important for the United States to become self-sufficient in many of these fields. We can't we can't artificially rely on Canada. Suffice it to say, I want to make sure I'm giving you a holistic view of what this means. And that is there will be an immediate negative. There is no guarantee there will be a long term positive. We have to make sure we can shape a long term positive in this. And as I say, with most things, whether or not we want. these things to happen, we have to play our role in whatever is going on. You can not like Trump, you can like Trump, you can vote for him, you can vote against him. When we get these circumstances, all I say to you is understand what it means. Do your best to navigate this. This is macro level stuff. They say the new Canadian tariffs targeting roughly 20 billion in U.S. imports snapped into place on Tuesday, prompting President Trump to retaliate hours later by trying to limit the federal government's ability to buy Canadian goods. The president's move conveyed in a social media post escalated a widening trade war between the two longtime allies. The latest front began after midnight when Canada began enforcing tariffs up to 50% on a variety of U.S. goods. The approach is meant to mimic the taxes Trump imposed on Canada last month. Now, I want to give you the best field operative I've ever had. In 81, the embassy went down. Where? Hotel Tehran. This is bad. Do it. Now. I don't have the money, but I've got something more valuable. The truth. They'll make it free. The general understanding here, again, you don't got to agree with this, but we saw a series of free trade agreements between the United States, Canada, Mexico, and we saw an attempt at this with the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Trump shut those down. He got rid of NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, brought in the USMCA. There was a period over the past 30 years, the efforts of the liberal economic order, again, I'm not making that up, that's actually what it's called, wanted to create economic dependencies between nations for the purpose of preventing conflict. They wanted to uplift Canada and Mexico's economy at the expense of the U.S. economy. This means that the U.S. doesn't refine aluminum despite the fact that we have bauxite mines, the raw material needed for aluminum. Canada, which we import aluminum, from imports their bauxite from China and Australia and other countries. There is absolutely no functional reason, no logical reason for the United States to pay Canada for aluminum when we could build refineries here. It's a political circumstance created by our leaders and theirs. Basically, we cut a deal and say, "I tell you what, we'll get rid of our aluminum refineries. You guys can have that manufacturing, which will create economic boons for your people." But it creates problems like this, where Canada and Mexico, Canada and Mexico, Canada then has leverage now because we don't have these refineries anymore. They can come to us and say, "You know what? We're cutting you off from aluminum because you got rid of your ability to produce it yourselves." Now, again, it was political when they did it, and it doesn't need to exist. Trump and Trump's administration, their view of this is we should just, we have bauxite mines in Louisiana. We can source our own raw materials, and this work can be for Americans who need these jobs. So they're basically telling Canada, "You have no right to our labor and to this trade." Canada, of course, is pushing back. Breaking these trade agreements will cause pain, but the question is, whether you agree with it or not, honest question, why should we have established these trade practices in the first place? It was, as far as I can tell, an intentional no going back tactic from the people crafting the liberal economic order. They wanted to get us entangled where we couldn't untangle it, and now they seem to have succeeded because of the pain. It's like, if your body's hooked up to a machine and it's helping you live, which is basically what they did when they drafted this liberal order, you try and take the machine, turn the machine off, good luck, will the body survive? If we cut off trade with China, can any of us, the system can't really thrive. I think the idea of just buying slop consumed the American people, where it was like, "Oh, well, if you get something made in Mexico, you can get it for a lot cheaper, and how great is that?" Ten years following NAFTA, we lost about, I think it was about around 700,000 to 800,000 manufacturing jobs. 10 years. 10 years after NAFTA was implemented. I believe that's correct. The trade-off was, "Okay, well, now we're looking at basically modern-day America where you can get your super cheap thing from Amazon, and it's super cheap, and it gets here in a few hours, and that's great." But eventually, if you're creating such a consumer economy, we're like, "Yeah, consuming's really easy now. We made sure of that between Mexico, Canada, and China. It's super easy now, but our industry sucks." Especially all these things, funny enough, the tariffs, one of the industries that has actually grown has been, I believe, aluminum as well, and these are important things, man, especially with the AI revolution. You mean American domestic production? Yes, yes, sorry. But with the AI revolution booming, where we can now, these new factories, these modern factories, can now compete with that old argument of, "You can't compete with child labor and sweatshops." Yes, we can. We should bring this stuff back. The AI stuff is both fascinating and terrifying. I think there's an open door to a tremendous benefit from AI stuff, but I think the problem with it is, and again, guys, I am trying to still stay on subject of the tariffs, the rate of change is so rapid right now with AI stuff. What we're seeing economically with these tariffs is stamp collecting based on what we are going to see. It's indescribable. It is indescribable. I just converted 40,000 lines of action script into HTC HTML to run a program from 20 years ago. My mind is blown right now just experiencing this. It's worth noting the US GDP from '25 to '26 range was $30.8 trillion to $32.95 trillion. The Canadian GDP from the same time period was $2.3 trillion to $2.59. Now, granted, it will cause pain to have some kind of trade war with China, but the United States will win the trade war. It'll cause pain. It'll be a pain in the balls, like Americans will notice, but Canada can't have the kind of trade war that they're implying they can. Neither can Mexico. Yeah, exactly. The US has so much economic power, even now, even though we have to reindustrialize, we have to bring jobs back to the US, we have to build factories here, we have to do a lot of stuff to really actually build up our own infrastructure here, even under these conditions that we are right now. It's 12 times larger than the Canadian. They just can't compete. Yeah. I think being straightforward about it hurting Americans is, I mean, it's important. I actually think the Trump administration did a pretty darn good job at selling that. They said, "Hey, you're going to see prices raise. You're going to see that." And it depends on, because reality sets it, right? How long are the American people going to tolerate this, right? A trade war with Canada, high gas prices, high product prices, higher product prices. How long are they going to put up with that? Do we think it's the right thing for the country to be bringing industry back to the best of our abilities? I think so. I think most people agree, but are they willing to actually allow for those price increases, and are they actually willing to wait it out? Because, I mean, this isn't helping the midterms. Everyone knows that. All of these decisions aren't helping the midterms, but are they helping the US five years from now with, let's say, aluminum was the example, and building that industry up in the United States? Probably. You're forcing it. I've got to throw it back every single time to the population crisis that we're facing. I don't think people realize just how apocalyptic the — I want to say this again, because I know most of you guys that are watching this show understand Gen Alpha — I said it 50 billion times at this point — half the size. But this means that the next generation will be half the size, and if this trend continues, the next generation will be half the size of that. Right. This is functionally the end. Of our entire system of governance and economy. Does it mean the Constitution gone? Does it mean Congress is gone? What it means is, right now you've got complaints there's not enough members of Congress or the Senate to represent all of these people. Give it 60 years if this trend continues, and people are going to say there are too many members of Congress. They're going to say, "Why do we have a member of Congress every 30,000 people?" The nation, if this trend continues, we rapidly, rapidly decline the population. This means technology — technology is produced, based on the scale of civilization. So, for instance, a television cannot be made by a single person. I don't know the exact number, but I think it's like 1,000 plus individuals to make one modern $300 widescreen LED TV, because each one of these individuals does some minor task, but many hands makes light work. When our population declines — and I wonder if this is intentional — you take a look at the Black Plague. Afterwards, we had a Renaissance. Tons of people died, and the argument is, the weak die, the strong survive, and the specialist, the crafty, it lifts up the caliber of the remaining individuals. It's a horrifying thing to realize. We're doing it to ourselves right now with population collapse. The people who are incapable of reproducing and having families aren't doing so. So, I wonder if there are world leaders that just say, "Good. It's the intended condition." They want the — I don't know, I guess, what did Yuval Noah Harari — that's his name, right? — the useless eaters. These people, these world elites want that group to be gone. I think so. Shrinking stress on the system by removing people that aren't contributing to the system inherently. And then, like, I think you're right, James, that reindustrializing the U.S. is the right methodology, and you could use A.I. to help design the domestic — Oh, I was just saying, A.I. allows for us to compete with the old argument that, "Oh, we can't compete with slave wages." Because it was built so that we could not extricate ourselves from it. I think the liberal economic order literally had a self-destruct mechanism put into where it's like, "There's one way forward. There's no going back. Now you're intertwined. Good luck. Reindustrialize." industrializing when half your jobs are in China now. Good luck. But we can. I don't know if they saw AI coming in 1947 when they were drafting this up, that we could hyper-localize our industry rapidly. And people still work at these advanced manufacturing plants, right? The jobs look different than they did in the early 1900s, don't they? So you can still get good quality jobs. I'm pretty sure Tesla has some pretty advanced factories. How many thousands of people still work there? I think my point overall about that is like, yeah, there is no better time to make sure. There's national security reasons for this. There's tax reasons for this. There's industry reasons for this. Just jobs, creating jobs. There's literally no better time to bring this stuff back. And this is how our system was built. Alexander Hamilton's report on manufacturers, they were looking around the United States saying, dude, we're buying everything from our enemies or just other countries that we don't have. We're farming. We need to build up industry. And so it's like, yeah, man, you might have five to 10 years where the American people aren't really happy about it, but this is forcing industry's hands or, sorry, basically businesses' hands to build in the United States. And hopefully it succeeds. You have to convince people of the environmental costs because right away we're seeing data centers pissing people off, taking water sources and making noise. And aluminum manufacturers will pump just foul chemicals. You get banned. You get banned. You get banned. You get banned. You get banned. You get banned. You get banned. You get banned. You get banned. You get ready to lose about 20% of your agriculture domestically if you're going to reindustrialize for real. The filthy ass shit that we got to put on American soil. Maybe we don't need to bring back every single little thing, but would you agree that we need to bring back more medicine manufacturing instead of maybe China doing it? Yes, at what cost? Like if you're going to destroy 15% of your farmland, maybe, yeah, but you got to anticipate that. Wait, why would you destroy 15% of farmland? Well, if you're going to be pouring toxic sludge like they do in China with no EPA back into our riverways. Oh, I think we do a night and day difference, between how we do that stuff. That's actually another reason is we do it cleaner than all these other countries as well. There's also the phenomenon that we're seeing of leapfrogging. So we don't have the filthy 20th century materials right now. We offshore that stuff. And like in Africa, they have solar panels. They skipped centralized electrical grids. They went right to local solar panels. So we might be able to skip the filthy 1970 to 2010 factories and start building these super high-tech refineries. I think so. I think there's something to be said for a population decline. And there's questions. There's conspiracies about whether or not the population of the planet is as big as it is. And I'm a big fan of conspiracy theories. One of the theories is that the Earth's population is nowhere near 8 billion and that it's probably closer to half a billion. But they claim it's really big to justify why we have to reduce and why they can control us. I don't believe that because I've looked at maps and I've been to places where my mind is blown, like Tokyo. I've been there. Yo, these places are insanely big. There's a lot of people. It's about almost double the size of New York City. It's crazy. It's absolutely insane. And you can eat off the floor. But it's wild when you look at some of these places and you're tracking a map and you can go there and you can see the map is correct. The urban sprawl is insane. Now, to Ian's point, with this population decline, what you're talking about isn't a consideration. We're not going to be destroying farms because population is cut in half for the next generation, which means we can bring back this manufacturing and we need to, especially if our population is declining. Yeah, it actually feels like it's a perfect synergy that it's better off with a smaller population because we don't have as many mouths to feed. We can focus on getting the specific things done. We don't have to hire a janitor to clean up the old janitor's mess. Because the whole job economy thing was sort of a sigh up from the banking system to get you to dig a hole and I'll pay you my money that you're going to pay me back in interest, and I'll get you to fill the hole up. And then you'll dig it up again, and then you'll fill it up. And you'll fill it up again. As long as you guys are busy borrowing my money and paying me back with interest, I'm making money and they're not going to form a revolution. So this jobs economy manipulation thing is kind of we don't need to focus on does everyone have a job? It's like how productive is each human? That's more what matters. I'll go ahead at that point. I kind of feel like market capitalism doesn't really allow for that kind of stuff. Like when you talk about like, you know, dig a hole and fill it up. That's kind of what the government ends up doing with jobs But like, if you've got a business, right, you're actually looking to, you know, produce something at a profit to pay back the bank that you've taken a loan for, like, you're not going to have, like, just make work, you can't, you can't really, you can't really draw that comparison to like, let's say, Tim cast, Tim created Tim cast. It's not a, you know, nobody's like, it's not, it's not like it's just not doing nobody's doing anything. And there's no revenue generated elsewhere and value brought here and here and here. And, you know, so maybe that's more of a government job thing, kind of, I mean, yeah, because, you know, the government then just prints the money. Yeah, you know, like, it's all fake, make make the money and pass it out a massive babysitting program. Yeah. But I mean, you know, like, when it comes to like, you know, building cars, right? It takes materials, it takes someone actually putting the cars together, sell the car. That's the actual product that was made in the economy, there was there was actual time invested into it, it had, you know, all the all the materials had to be had to be produced and stuff like that. And then you put the car together and you go out that that's not like robbing Peter to pay Paul kind of thing, you know, bloated administration is really where the robbing the Peter comes from, like, especially in the in the education industry, the administrators outnumber the teachers three to one or some garbage. Yeah, it's crazy. What you see in California, actually across the US is most places you see for public schools, they're spending more per pupil than private schools in the areas get cost. Keep in mind, private schools for profit, and they're spending more, the government spending more per pupil than private schools cost. You probably guess private schools have a have better results, too. Yeah. And the teachers don't get that money. It goes to administrators, it goes to teachers unions, it goes to, you know, all of the things that surround the school, like it doesn't go to actually teaching kids, and it doesn't go to the teachers goes to the administrators, it goes to any number of, of any number of bureaucrats in the, you know, the public schools, system for sure you know this the success of like a program is is the more bureaucrats that they have the better so yeah wow we're spending all this money it's like is it going to the teachers are the results good no we have a ton of bureaucrats it's awesome i don't have that's how they measure success literally yeah i don't have it pulled up but i saw a tweet just today that that shows that the uh basically test scores are just cratering absolutely cratering in the past 20 years like kids are getting put and i i blame george w bush a lot because of no child left behind right like the the incentive of no child left behind actually was just push kids along so that way they they graduate they go to the next class and it doesn't matter if they've actually learned stuff and so you end up just shoving kids through the system without being sure that they've actually retained anything it's better to hold kids back to make sure that they learn than to just shove them through you so that they're not left behind you'll get either the the kids that don't know what they're doing and they get shoved through and they have an f score but they graduate or you'll have the kids that are smart and they have to sit there and wait for everyone else to figure it out and then they get pushed through at the real snail's pace too i've noticed with using chat gpt like a school book it is literally like a science textbook and that you can ask questions to when you don't understand the term that it gives you you can just ask what it means and then keep learning you can get like a conventional six months education in like 18 hours you know like 24 hours depending on fast i'm one of the most pro ai guys around like i'm really a big fan of it i think that it's going to do great things but one of the one of the things that they're finding is when people use ai to help them learn stuff they don't retain it the way they do if they have to do it like sit down and study and read and take a test on it of course it just doesn't stick with you the same way so like they'll get better scores on their tests and you'll end up with higher grades but because they were using ai they don't actually retain the information they didn't actually learn anything you need to teach kids also like how to think critically like how can i find this answer aside from just saying like uh genie give me the answer yeah like that's obviously destructive to their learning process some people learn through hearing those people excel with a professor or someone and other people excel with reading it on paper those people some physically dude i success yeah by doing it i like it you're the best field operative i've ever had you were born for it in 81 the embassy went down we go 25 million in the wall where hotel tehran this is bad like run for the hills bad do it now i don't have the money but i've got something more valuable you shall know the truth the truth they'll make you free the fix in theater september 11th lab like doing it i like doing both reading and hearing it i prefer all three if i can but i think it's been a long time since we've talked about this but i think there's like eight learning metrics that they track academically and uh people have varying common varying combinations some people just can't learn by seeing it be done some people can't learn by hearing it some people can't learn by reading it they can only learn by taking their hands and actually grabbing something and and that means it's very difficult for them to learn abstract things gpt can give me the textual answer and i haven't paid for the upgrade yet but it can give me visual representations of what it's explaining so i want to i want to talk about this cultural stuff real quick so we're going to do a hard segue here we've got this post uh i found on instagram it's a woman i blurt out her name i'm not trying to be mean or rag on her and i i i From all of this, I've markedly, I'm going to, I just, I have to, the volume has to be turned down. I certainly don't think I'm one of the worst in online vitriol, I think, a little bit sometimes. So it's a woman who says, I'm a widow raising two kids, and here's what nobody tells you, and she's crying on camera, which means she started crying, she took her phone, she put it down, pressed record, and then turned her face, and she performed for the camera. It's very similar to what we see with the Lindsay Clancy stuff, which we'll get to in a bit. I've got a couple other examples for you. This is Brenna Morello posting, how do we get this new trend of talking crap about your husband on the internet to stop? And it's a woman just basically attacking her husband for social clout. And this is the more extreme example. Chinese live streamer dances almost nonstop for four to six hours every time viewers send gifts, she has to dance. This is insanity. What is currently happening on social media. So I'll say a few things. Right now, I've heard a lot of comments from people saying that it feels meaner online. It feels angrier online. And like the reply, you know what I like to say is that, you know, the saying is that a rising tide lifts all ships. And I say that the low tide exposes all of the scum. When the tide goes down, what's shown as the scummy floor and the critters and the urchins and things of this nature, right now, it's just discernibly correct that most people are, it's political off season. People are outside there with their families. They're doing other things. Views across the board in every capacity are down for everybody. For us, it's about average. I'll say it like this. Technically, we should have more viewers based on general show growth, but we're at around the same amount of viewers that we had in the previous term cycle. Everybody's sports podcasts are down. Every show is down. And the end result is people are desperate for views. I've seen maybe, I don't know. Several. Dozen. Instagram women crying for some random reason saying, please follow me. I saw a woman saying, I have no choice. I have to be an influencer. Please don't scroll. Follow me. I have seen a hundred young women playing music where they say the exact same thing. You're so lucky that Instagram showed you rare and eclectic music. And I'm like, very few people are desperate to be followed and desperate to be influencers. Right now. I think many people are just tuning out. And a really great example is Labor Day. Over Labor Day weekend, I posted like three things. It was a hypothetical. I posted, if you could press a button that would kill somebody, but you got a million dollars tax free, would you do it? The old classical hypothetical. The next day I posted, if you could press a button to kill a random person, but you were forced to take a million dollars, would you do it? Now they got tons of replies and I've got no B for any issue. I don't, I don't, I don't care about the, the, the meta analysis. Now, some people are like, Tim, you posted the same thing twice. I didn't. We're going to, we'll talk about that in the after show. Maybe the point ultimately is this. If you are inside on online over Labor Day weekend, what does that say about you? Now, hold on everybody. I'm not insulting you. I'm not suggesting it inherently means you're a bad person or an angry person. I was online too. However, it does mean you will likely find a higher density of people not hanging out with friends and family Labor Day weekend. Uh, there was a. Rodeo at Nema Collin, if you've never heard of a Nema Collin, I'm a colon. I recommend you check, check it out. It's in Pennsylvania. One of them, one of our favorite places ever to go. We go several times a year. It's a resort, a little higher end, but not insanely expensive. It's something you, you go to once per year for your vacation, but you're gonna spend a couple of grand if you can afford it, it don't get me wrong. It's expensive. They got a landing strip, but it's not like billionaire expensive, you know, a private yacht or something, but, uh, we go and hang out. They had a rodeo and the family came and people brought their kids and they're watching horses and stuff. It was absolutely fantastic family experience. So what does this say about your average everyday person who's trying to live their life, have a good job. They're not sitting there on social media, posting comments for sure. So when you do go on social media, like I did a little bit, you know, even over Labor Day weekend posted a couple of times, you are going to get a higher density of people who are perpetually online and less likely to be out and about with friends and family. So again, I'll stress this for those of you that were online, like I was, I'm not saying all of you are bad. I'm saying a lot more angry people and permanently on online people are. They're still active right now as the tide goes out and many regular people leave, there's still water, which is the most of you regular people that are sitting there watching smile on your faces saying, I made it agree with Tim on everything, but I enjoyed the show. However, you are going to get a higher density of scum, people who are angry in any direction, left, right, up, down, top, bottom screaming. I hate you. You should die. The people posting about Charlie Kirk's death anniversary and mocking it with excitement, with excitement, right? I guess. Right. Right. Right. And the thing is, I don't think this is a reflective of the whole world. I think there are many good people that are still on. That's the low tide, but there's a lot of nasty people that have always been there. You're seeing more of it. And I think for one, we got to turn the volume down. Like, I'm not going to insult this lady or be dramatically mean about what she's doing. She's a widow. That's fine. But I will be somewhat critical of her posting this for social clout at the same time. I think we should recognize a lot of this is you shouldn't get depressed about cause I've heard a lot of people say, man, it's just so nasty online. Yeah. Yeah. But it's because. It's because regular, normal people aren't there right now and maybe they'll come back in the winter and this means you'll get a higher density of more passive commentary, but the negative is always going to be there. Yeah. Down with political off season. They're perpetually online. People are just, uh, I mean, you know, you do, you do it too much, man. It's corrosive to the soul. I can even feel that. Right. I mean, I'm, I'm on X all the time. I spent my weekend last weekend filming every single day and then, uh, going, you know, reading articles, editing and, um, what? Um, doomscrolling X probably like I can eat when I'm doing it too much. I can feel that. It's kind of the, it's the feeling when you're at dinner and you have your phone out and it's at, it's on the table and you're just like, you know what, dude, I don't need a screen anywhere near me right now. You guys ever do that where you have that realization and you say, okay, no, no, this doesn't need to be near me. It's, it's excessive. It doesn't need to be on cause there's people that lean into this and it's just corrosive to the soul. I started YouTube videos in 2006 and within June, 2006 by like August I, I pinpointed the danger of relying on text. And I know a lot of these people that are complaining are in video, which is another thing. Another point. But firstly, do not get lost in text. There's no tone. Stay focused on speaking and communicating with your words and listening to people's tone when they explain things to you. Secondly, if you're going to use internet video, do it with a purpose, with some, with a message to deliver, not about getting famous. If you just do it just to get seen, you'll realize real quickly. What am I famous for? Well, because I'm an attention whore and then your followers will be attention whores and you'll be a word. You'll be the worst person as a result. If you have a message to deliver, use it and you'll become popular as a result. And then we're talking about boasting that came up a little bit before the show and how proud you are of your work and how willing you are to tell people how great you are. There's a whole nuanced debate there. Like some people I think maybe can go a little overboard and about talking how awesome they are, but other people sell themselves and if they never said a word, you wouldn't know how that you wouldn't have ever heard the thing. Maybe they don't believe in themselves. So I don't know. Like, you know, look, look, it's just. Yeah. A lot of people, especially right now with the, with the desperation towards views, the, the game is what's going to get you traffic, right? So for, for many of these influencers, what we're seeing, ask yourself this. Why is everyone fighting? Why is the left fighting the left left, fighting the right, right, fighting the right because of what kind of traffic as well as it's because we get it. It's because everybody is in a, a mosh pit. That's probably not even fair because mosh pits can be fun. Everybody's in it. And everyone was thrown to the Oubliette. As it were chaos chamber. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, basically we're in a w w everyone's facing a shortage of viewership and I'm, I'm stressing this again. Sports podcasts are, are down in viewership. Like you'd think they would remain high no matter what, especially with you. You got what? Pre-season football and stuff. Yeah. They're down. They're way down. And it's like crazy down. I don't know what's going on. What I will say is there's a few things to expect older. So you. Yeah. Yeah. There's more shows to watch. There's more shows, smaller, younger generations. Older people, millennials are having, are starting to have a little bit more kids. It's not like it's where it should be, but you know, look, I just had a kid. There's many more people having kids. I used to post on the weekends all the time. Some people are like, man, remember when Tim used to post a show every single day, it was just always a video. I got a family now. And so it's going to be like, I'm here for IRL every time I can be. And I have to balance doing a morning and nightly show when sometimes I got family duty. Yeah. I think continuing to continue doing a daily show for more than even a couple of years is just unbelievable. Well, I'm doing an amount of work. See a lot of people aren't willing to do that level of work, but a lot of people are willing to, I mean, there's new influencers that I see. Let's say politics. We all know politics. Let's say, uh, th there are more influencers than I've ever seen in the political space on, let's say Instagram. I don't know 90% of them and they're probably 50% of them came, like basically grew the last year or so. Well, here's, here's, here's the, the, the, the principal issue is that they're all just saying the same thing. So the bulk of these lower tier, I'm not saying lower tiers and insult smaller channels, watch a big channel and then remake the video saying the same thing. And you have, you know, 5,000 of these people that are doing this exact same thing, hyper saturating the market. That's a lot like video games too. You'll see like a thousand games with basically the same game mechanics all about with the same level of depth that all have like a seven. 70 rating on steam that get people play for an average of 15 hours and it's just easy to reproduce what you know is going to catch people with a hook and not really thrill them now i i definitely don't want to uh people to think that i'm not like encouraging people to jump in and start your own political channel and have your own political takes obviously i want to super encourage that let me put a pin in that for one second um whether it be political commentary or what have you you should to ian's point early you should do something because you want to do it right right like if you're good at it and you continue doing it like you know money and success that you know hopefully that will come but like i've been i was in a band the first time i was in a band it was like 1993 or 92 and i was in a band basically the my entire life for you know until 2004 is when all that remains really started to get going so from from 93 for 10 years i'm in bands trying playing and even if and even at that time like i was playing such like heavy like really heavy stuff not alone was my ringtone like two thousand thank you um but like we were playing like before all that remains we were playing like really i was playing really heavy stuff that there was never a thought in my mind that i was going to be in a band that toured that made enough money to support me it was just that's what i did and you loved it i loved it and i did it because and then you know music changed and and my taste in music changed a little bit and so like we started playing a little more melodic stuff and and then we started to see some real success but like i was doing it for a decade thinking that i would work a regular job and play shows on the weekend maybe i'd go on tour for a couple weeks but there was never a thought that i was going to be in a successful band so and there's so many people out there that think i want to go ahead and and do you know political commentary because i see people are making money i see that there's money there and it's like if you start it for that reason you're going to end up being tired of it before you make money and you're not going to keep like you do something because you want to do it and hopefully money comes because you've been doing it you learn your craft and stuff like that so i apologize for no i i i wholeheartedly agree um and it's like don't be afraid to be authentic man you maybe you don't need to be an influencer right but maybe you can use social media to boost your hobby that you love and can transform your life you know what we're talking about what ian to your point you're more talking about dude their dream is being famous yeah and that's a problem you gotta ask yourself famous for what why am i famous i learned this the hard way yeah beginning of youtube i was like how can i gain the system i'll reply youtube response youtube video responses to whatever is trending and it was just purely to get famous and the people that started following were just fame whores no offense guys if you were one of my early subscribers but like i got what i wanted which was fame and i was like what am i famous for and that's the thing that's the thing that that's when i realized there's a reason i'm here and whether or not i'm famous almost is irrelevant like the fame will amplify what you're doing but what are you doing i i got the answer to that question is psychedelic space gypsy it is um it is terrifying and demoralizing that the economy is turning into i have to be an influencer because that just means it's impossible if every single person is manufacturing a toast like every single person is selling necklaces well why would i buy my own why why would the guy down the street who's making videos talking politics buy or sell from someone who's doing identical stuff saying the exact same thing from them this is hyper saturation and you know part of it's demoralizing is this is not a get rich quick scheme or a path to something sustainable if you have the ability to make a good product make a good product and i hate that i hate using the word product like the mcdonald's guy but i'm but i'm not talking specifically about podcasts i'm saying whatever it is you make if you can make a good one do it right but what's happened is that so many people have found success having shows they make money doing it and good money everybody's now like i want to you know what's really fascinating about this is that in 2015 youtube was dead for sure i i i had uh i've been going to vidcon i've been talking to youtubers who were big in 08 and they were like the dream is over they're like we used to get a video now we're only getting half a million we can't it's hard to produce anymore and there are people saying yeah you can't really do it today everyone is adamant they're going to be the next big influencer and they're trying just to do that i think people they they need to build new things you know you're not going to get rich look to this woman who's like i'm a widow raising two kids you are not going to be the widow influencer there is no widow influencer there is no three million follower every day crying because you're a widow it's a one-off video so don't do it because if you do want to be someone that is respected or has an opinion that's worth listening to it can't just be look at me crying i'm a widow i think the currency that they're playing in and and yeah i mean i feel terrible for this woman obviously but like i think the currency that she's shooting for is dopamine hits for likes i mean i i don't even for people like this you know i think it might be kind of a of it's not going after maybe being famous maybe it is or it's not going after having a big page but it's it's going after the attention i think so it's it's a non-sustainable way to accrue attention because if you rely on crazy thing happened to me today to get your for your videos to get the attention it doesn't sustain after like a year and a half that you'll realize what a shell you've become seeking crazy thing it's not good for you so you need to produce cool content in some way like ideas that you have processes that you're building that you're you can show people and then make videos to to amplify what you're doing but you gotta do cool shit man you gotta pioneer education and entertainment and sectors of art like be the one that did it first get embarrassed online in front of everyone you're memorable also um make long form if you guys are going to start making content make long form it's it's so good for the if you are passionate about something let's say cars or watches which by the way i will subscribe if you start that channel um like that is good content people enjoy it and you can do your hobby and document it i fully encourage people doing that stuff if if you love it if you're doing it for the wrong reasons and trying to be famous or you're constantly crying on camera every single day uh no bueno also if there's like a million people making a video and you want to make videos like that and you think you can and you know you're the best you have to do it because if you don't other people will take the space that are lesser than you you have to step up so it is diffused as it seems like it will get you have to continue to prove them wrong you have to be a spire that appears in the muck and you can do it but it's just it's just you know that don't do it for that reason that's just a byproduct of incessancy that you know you never give up you keep going you just do it again yeah i think um one of the challenges right now it's a lesson i learned a long time ago in the space is obviously going to be entering a cesspit if you choose to engage on social media it is going to just be a i don't know a mosh pit people are screaming they're fighting all the time and it's kind of the point that i'm getting at that um it's it's time to stop you know i i've been fairly like screw you i don't care what you think for for a long time but i'm just not going to engage largely uh anymore at all and i think if you take a look at uh well i'll put it like this there's no reason to uh let me let me put it like this instead choose your battles we'll just say that the funny thing is i've gained a lot of followers on x just being me and posting what i think when i feel like i'm doing it and i'm not doing it because i'm not doing it because i'm not doing it because i'm not doing it because i'm not doing it because i'm not doing it because i'm not like it even if it pisses people off or is silly but at the same time it's just i don't know if it's worth it it might be worth it just to i can look at it like you know fox news personalities not their politics but in their production they don't engage with people at all they just stay away from it and for that they get less death threats you know when you choose to stand before someone and tell them shut up you're wrong they are going to feel like they're on you if you ignore all of these people and just do the work well they stop trying to bait you and stop fighting you because you're not giving them anything in return for a long time i had no problem i was like screw you i can do what i want i'll say what i want i talk to whoever i want i'll talk to people on x you know there people are like if i had a big account i'd never respond to people and i'm like i feel like talking to people i feel like talking to but i think at this point it's just it's bad i think it's bad because it's kind of like starve out the the monsters people that thrive on being nasty online just suffocate them what you feed is what reproduces and if you respond to negativity you get more negative because people will see it and they'll be like oh you he responds to negativity well i got one for him and like i said like this is a lesson we've all known about for a long time but i think at this point in my life especially with the family i'm like yeah just no more and i won't call anyone out specifically but there are a lot of personalities that you know who host big shows who never ever engage with their audience now i'm not saying don't do that well we're always going to have our our discord membership and our super chats and stuff but on other platforms i'm just not commenting there's a value to negative communication because it's like threat detection people appreciate your willingness to confront the negative the elephant in the room but we're it's such a gauge where we have the opportunity to create positive momentum with ai you know replicate a video game in two hours or make a movie in 15 minutes that it's i think it's very healthy to step away or refocus away from the negative stuff for a time to create a lot of goodness in the world because it's just your word against theirs man to outpace you and you've got to be better. And you can and you will be. That's the fascinating part. Let's jump to this story from the New York Post. Lindsay Clancy jurors detailed just what happened behind closed doors and how a not guilty verdict nearly came down. Indeed. Well, the Post Monial frames it as female Clancy jurors complain about very arrogant male holdout were so excited to acquit child killer. Let's let's play this video from NBC. Lindsay Clancy feminist jurors are melting down. All right. Let's see if the deliberations was harder than her work as a fifth grade teacher. And they confirmed there was one holdout juror. I asked them what they thought of him being described by the prosecution as a rogue juror. Here's what they said. He was very arrogant. He really did not take anything that anybody said. The nurses, he he tried to ask a question about the medications. And we went back to. The report from South Shore Hospital. We had the toxicology report. We could see exactly the amounts. The nurses in the room spoke to that. And there were nurses on the jury. Yes. They spoke to that. That specific thing. That was a question that he had. And he just completely disregarded the information that they gave him. I mean, he had reasonable doubt. He admitted he had reasonable doubt. After we watched that video. Of the interview. I think that's what it was. And I started filling out the forms. I was so excited. I actually. There were three forms I had to fill out. And I started filling them out. I wrote my signature on each one. And then he said. But I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity. I'm not sure if rogue is the right word, Sue. But every one of us. In the hours of our frustration would get up and walk the room because you just couldn't sit anymore and would all go to the cart with the exhibits. He he, I think, got up to the cart once very briefly and went back to his seat. He would not. He would not interact with us and and try to understand we read to him on numerous occasions. The definition of a reason. He had a lot of reasonable doubt from Judge Sullivan's instruction. He actually said one day in the end. Well, why don't we have the judge come in and read it again? And we were like, no, we have it in front of us. We don't need that. And we would highlight it. And, you know, so and so this is the definition of reason of doubt. But he had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children. We don't need that. And we would highlight it again. We don't need that. We don't need that. We don't need that. We don't need that. pop makes a lot of sense. I think that. Well, yeah. yeah the crime is pretty gnarly so maybe it is from my perspective this is and this is just my opinion like it's better for the person that committed a crime to be removed from society for society's sake than to allow them to continue to be in society of course i i don't know what kind of prison or what kind of a facility they need to be in that's you know someone else can decide that but if you're talking about someone that's violent they shouldn't be allowed to just be like oh well you know you had you know whatever the argument is if you're a violent criminal take them out of society for the rest of society's sake for the possible future victims of the person that's violent how many how many more times do we need to see some like psycho schizo uh you know homeless person waving around a knife and killing somebody how many times do you really need to see that before you say okay no that person needs to be separated yep you know and a lot of those people are like serial criminals as well yeah yeah and that's the thing it's not about for me from my perspective at least it's not about punishing the person that did the crime it's about protecting the rest of society right like we want to live in in a safe society we want to live in a society where we can walk around in the streets without fear of being you know assaulted or or what have you so those people that are are violent criminals take them off the streets put them in jail put them in some kind of facility that's that's that's what's best for society overall do you have a preference or do you know enough about the trial to suggest lindsey clancy should go to either a prison or a mental institution uh i don't really care where she goes from jail put her in jail it's fine i don't care either way you'd be happy as long as she gets some sort of sentence some sort of incarceration somewhere probably catapult like use a catapult and send that use that send her to jail via catapult yeah the the the thing is it's possible that i'm not guilty by insanity results in life in in a mental institution but it's also the possibility that she gets out at any point she has a very strong argument for oh well that was postpartum exactly well i don't think that was part of the trial i don't think they they claimed postpartum what i'm saying is in the facility it's like well that was due to no no no she was out of the postpartum phase uh i don't think that's the argument they made oh okay so she she couldn't argue i was postpartum because she wasn't she could argue i was temporarily insane at that time but i'm not anymore i don't think that's the argument they made oh okay so i heard a lot of legal breakdowns of saying hey she could even be in uh a facility for six to eight months and get out this uh i just heard six months is the minimum in six months i think this is the case just happened from cory walsh a 40 year old mother from frankfurt illinois charged with first degree murder death of her two-year-old son you're the best field operative i've ever had you were born for it in 81 the embassy went down we go 25 million in the wall hotel tehran this is bad like run for the hills bad do it now i don't have the money but i've got something more valuable you shall know the truth the truth they'll make it free the fix in theater september 11th eric walsh and the they uh allege the prosecutors that she was very invested in lindsey clancy's trial so it's like copycat it looks like it might be a copycat crime like oh she can kill her kids and get out of it there's been a few of them and they're not going to get out of it and they're not going to get out of it and they're not going to get out of it and they're not going to get out of it since that's a big concern of why not to come down hard on lindsey clancy yeah that's a that's i agree like that's that's why or that's one more reason why the punishment should fit the crime right like if a woman has postpartum depression or what have you and has you know they they come up with uh some excuse and they have a little episode or whatever and they end up killing their kids they or they might think if i do this i'll get let you know let off i know this is like a they don't put women in you know they don't put women in jail or whatever it is right it's a but you know we want to de-incentivize murdering your children yeah right that's so it's true right but again well i'm this guy let's get political we got this from cnn democrats enter the midterms looking to conquer red territory with hunter biden right state says hunter biden for president don't make me laugh it's hard to mention the democratic party making a bigger mistake than nominating hunter biden for a run and yet hunter himself is not floating the idea and more entertainingly is casting himself as some kind of reluctant savior oh boy we may have to reluctantly hand hunter some credit here if there's one thing he knows about it's addictions but wait there's more biden has self-described former crackhead who was convicted on federal gun and tax charges said that his top qualification for becoming president is adhering to the rule of law wait we're talking about a presidential run yeah here's my qualification for becoming president if you believe in the constitution of the united states of america that you swear to uphold and protect i want the next president to commit to one thing to adhering the rule of law he said okay i can't imagine they're actually considering this guy uh for president but uh newsom ain't doing all that well either and aoc is uh she's still one of the top contenders in the prediction markets she's currently uh down just below john ossoff who's winning but she's in second place so uh who would you guys vote for hunter or aoc aoc i'd rather vote for hunter i'm going hunter all day well if i wanted yeah i don't think hunter has a chance in hell that guy as soon as he gets put up against the real deal he's gonna just it's like a wooden board that just starts to crack along the fibers polls at this time are just like name recognition like whoever's popular in the media right uh hunter biden just did kind of a a social media campaign that tour that he was doing right is he selling a book why is he doing i don't know okay all right whatever wasn't able to talk before when his dad was in power so it's his time now but you know since since he's done that tour uh that's probably why he's making an appearance just because people it's top of mind that's who people are thinking about he's been doing sort of a rehabilitation tour what you're referencing over the last six months four months out of nowhere and there was this weird like cult love hunter but it's this weird anti-hero energy would people get where they're like oh the punisher i love him it could be a bit of like a trolly kind of funny support for it maybe i don't know unless people are serious what unless people were probably thinking they're supposed to like him so they're doing it for real other people like just laughing their balls off in secret but being like yeah hunter glad you're on the floor because look look if this is legitimately thinking about running biden's ex his crackhead son that was on the board of prisma selling out our country to the liberal economic order like good luck guys good he said uh meet we need he may have to run for president in 2028 during an interview with uh john cat uh cats and metitus on his wabc cats roundtable radio show on sunday i'd like to see him debate jimmy biden's campaign i'd like to see him debate jimmy biden's campaign i'd like to see jd vance because it will get a bunch of fuel you know it's just what's the right word for it it's it's too corrupted at this point everything in my opinion is too corrupted like the idea of actually having a hunter biden candidate like listen listen trump was a deviation from decorum as it was but the clintons the obama administration were so miserable in so many different areas that as much as i mean a lot of people just couldn't stomach trump at all i i used to frame it as i you know the great example of me being in the uber and in uh i think i was in houston going to glenn beck show and the driver was like man it's like i wish trump wouldn't talk the way he does but you know i voted for him and i'm like i hear that a lot from people that trump just kind of you know why does it got to be like that but he's clearly better that was already a deviation from the decorum throwing hunter biden and it's just like i'm at the point where it's just okay it feels like riding the atomic bomb down with the cowboy hat yeah i mean what else do you hear people say though they say that trump is that businessman right so they'll say oh personality i don't know but oh he is a businessman he's tough dude he's that tough great new york city businessman that's been famous for decades right so this is a lot different than a lot of the people that the democrats have been propping up over the last uh five to ten years i mean dude you look in congress there's there's communists in congress that have achieved literally nothing you have uh or socialists if you want to be precise but um you have mom donnie you know it's just another example of that like they're addicted to propping up media mediocre figures as long as they hey can smile maybe are charismatic and hold marxist views they don't need to accomplish literally anything and that's what that's what sold the american people on trump it was a big selling point man exactly be obnoxious but he is a billionaire and a serial entrepreneur and you know tough as nails you knew how to come with an action plan build the wall that was his action plan which is something which by the way is being built and fully funded right now just to let everybody know and like other people their action plan is the current status quo is bad like no action plan basically just complaining about the old action plan if you come with like we're going to build a space elevator and here's how we're going to do it you'll get a lot of people getting behind you if you have a vision of some sort of better future that's what you got to sell to people i can't imagine the communists have any any version of a better future or if they have a plan they might say like no when we're all together we can do this together we the people that's not a plan that's that's hyperbole or rhetoric you know the craziest thing is they i've been doing a lot of uh dsa street conversations over the like the last couple weeks we've been hitting that hard and we'll go over like the dsa platform you know that co-chair did that famous fox news rundown of their of their platform and you'll get people that say like it's it's a lot of feel-good stuff and they also think with socialism they think that it is more like equally spread out and not like the power doesn't center centralized bro that is literally exactly what the power ends up doing so they say they a lot of these people that you'll talk to on the street they think it's like capitalism is is completely centralized and that's all it is and nobody has money it's like well dude what you're advocating for is literally like five people at the very top having literally everything and picking and choosing where it all goes it's called vanguardism both the soviet union devolved into they promised communism and end up with vanguard where a small group of people oversee and control the military and then the entire economy and the chinese happen the same way they said we're going to give you a republic the people's republic of china and then they get into power they they lie to you with the communist carrot and then they give you the stick of uh of basically a small you know a junta a military council running the show right so it's happened twice the soviet union in china i see no evidence that a communist in promise revolution could ever lead to anything other than a dicta dictacracy where you've got you know one plus guys stalin i mean look at the market doesn't drive monarchy in the grocery stores like they pick and choose what goes where right because it all has to be equal right so that the market doesn't drive that you drive it you decide what it's worse than that because they have central planners that will say this is how much wheat we need because this is how much flour we need because this is how many loaves of bread we need and so like there's no correction system at all right like they say we need to produce this much wheat there's no market for wheat so if they produce that much wheat then the the bread that you're going to get is as much as the wheat can produce there's no like oh we're running low on on flour so we need to buy wheat from someone who's got wheat to sell no one has wheat to sell because all the wheat was produced so then that happens throughout basically every single you know food product that you can come up with that's a big part of the reason why socialist societies always have issues stocking the grocery shelves um i think it was it was gorbachev that came over to the united states when reagan was was president and he went to a grocery store in you know just some random grocery store in texas and he said the russian people would cry right if they saw what america said they revolt did he say revolt it's possible um i could be i could be misremembering he was shocked but he was shocked at how much variety there was and you get people like bernie sanders saying oh well you don't need 10 different kinds he said if they saw the u.s supermarkets there would be a revolution yeah i wasn't wrong short revolution shortly after that well um well you know but like you know bernie sanders here in blue jeans says hey we don't need to have 15 different kinds of toothpaste well what do you how do you know bernie like where the hell do you get off saying we don't what what people need you're right because if the market if they don't need it they're not going to buy it and the market will stock less exactly if the if the if there is a market for it and people are purchasing it that means that actually yeah people find value in these different kinds of tooth there's also privateers that will that will make unnecessary market surplus just in case for that rainy day that a central planner will never will never see coming and so when they run out of food you're like actually somebody does have it because this one private company decided to go go rogue and develop 10 times more than it needed the central it's just having many many planners is way better for an economy than having one well they also lied about the quotas that they were meeting and not they didn't want to get it because they didn't want to get in trouble which led to like massive famine and then actually not having enough so it's not accurate at all they were afraid that if they they admitted not meeting quotas they'd be killed so they were pretending they were meeting quotas exactly well and even if it wasn't i'm sure there were plenty of people that were killed but even if it wasn't you know uh being killed you'd lose your position and if you had a nice cushy position in the bureaucracy and your family has a nice apartment that's you know probably not nice by united states standards but in the soviet union you had a nice apartment you'll lose that stuff if you don't if you get fired from then you have to go and you'll be knocked out like everybody else that's why they would lie that's why they would do the lying because they didn't want to lose their position the hunter biden thing is really crazy because i feel like this is a strange psychological phenomenon of like uh villain worship not that he's the only he's like punisher an anti-hero that has done so much wrong and but also now is like seen as like as you know there's good in him still which is true he's not an evil villain he's just done a lot of weird who's that oh hunter biden hunter biden his complicity with joe biden with barisma i think i don't know they did a lot of business with like doing that business and that was another shy who exactly uh china dealings yeah he's definitely been a willing pawn of the liberal economic order to cement international economic relations between the chinese the ukrainians the americans so he's gonna have to answer for that and he will and he is but still just because he's out now kind of spilling the beans hey that's cool i want to get on your good side hunter because i want you to tell all maybe you want to wait till the big guy's out of the picture until you do that i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know but joe you know i'm talking about your your father still being alive and tarnishing his living legacy but at some point if you really want an alliance of of true americans you're gonna have to be completely transparent with what you've experienced until then dude he's just a mouthpiece um i'm happy to see him get propped up because he'll get shredded down diplomatically on the stage and bernie sanders isn't gonna give jd vance enough of a run for his money he's too old he's trying to slow down ai development bernie sanders i don't think he's talked about running but yeah he he and aoc both submitted a bill that is an ai moratorium for not just the united states they're trying to get other countries china to actually build them or have a moratorium on ai development and that would be like trying to get them to stop uh building the nuclear bomb during right before world war ii and asking the germans not to build it and then promising you that they won't anybody with a brain understands that the only place that would actually slow down on the development would be the west and then everyone else would continue building at full speed when you say west you mean the united states because there's no significant ai companies that are doing anything in europe it's all they're all american companies right you know yeah it's very strange that you want to slow that down i know there's there's downsides to unleashing ai but it's better to have it happen here than elsewhere it's not really that strange because he's like he's anti the the things that ai promises are all things that bernie sanders against like the idea of ai taking people people's jobs so bernie sanders is like no we shouldn't have people's jobs we'll think of all the jobs we'll lose you know he's he's he's just he's against um people having control like so he doesn't want people to have their own ai he doesn't want people to have access to that kind of stuff it's actually pretty in line with with bernie sanders kind of worldview right like if you're a socialist that thinks that the government should control things for people and it should be a top-down society having private companies developing these super intelligent ais is something that you'd you'd be against you're the best field operative i've ever seen you were born for it in 81 the embassy went down we go 25 million in the wall where hotel tehran this is bad like run for the hills bad do it now i don't have the money but i've got something more valuable you shall know the truth the truth they'll make you free the fix in theater september 11th yeah it could lead towards intense corporatocracy where like open ai becomes one of the most powerful governments on the planet with a standing military in command of like robots i sympathize with that but like i mean you do not want to not beat your adversaries on the development of the most advanced ai on the planet let's uh speaking of communism and all that stuff let's talk about this from newsweek trump plan to pay parents nine thousand dollars to stay home with kids divides republicans it's not nine thousand dollars to stay home with kids it's nine thousand dollars per kid currently there exists a well fair program that will grant nine thousand dollars to working parents that way they can pay for child care the trump admin said how about we reverse this if you stay at home with the kid you get the nine thousand dollars that way you can pay your bills and pay yourself to raise your kid the current system as has been put in place over the past several decades incentivizes whether accidentally on purpose mothers and fathers to leave their kids with other people at schools or daycares instead of staying home with them now this is divided republicans uh dana lash said this is it to socialism for which michael knolls rebutted saying i don't recall where in das capital marx advocated for seizing welfare programs to incentivize homemaking but this has resulted in a big debate uh now i i hate the republicans whatever i'm for it it's an existing welfare program that i think is largely bad they're not getting rid of it they're just saying no you've got to be home with your kids and you'll get this grant i think it's i wouldn't implement this from scratch if we didn't have any welfare programs i wouldn't say create this but considering it reallocates from an existing welfare program that incentivizes parents leaving their kids with somebody else i think it's a good thing what do you guys say you got it the republicans need to be giving something to the american people for their votes because whether we like it or not the argument of pull yourself up by your bootstraps young man that ain't gonna fly it's just not gonna fly and and i find myself actually like appreciating that argument i used to talk crap on that argument but i actually kind of appreciate that one but but i i agree with what you're saying wholeheartedly honestly yeah i mean look if your option is look man go out there and work hard and do it by yourself and you'll get the you know blah blah blah and it's gonna make a man out of you or hey we're gonna give you all this free shit like people are gonna be like hey i'll vote for the people that are gonna give me the free shit that's just the way people are they're incentive driven definitely when it comes at least in modern society 50 100 years ago i get it right fine before the the welfare programs in the 60s i was like oh my god i'm not gonna vote for the people that are gonna Fine, I totally understand, and I like the idea of people being motivated to go out and do things and and you know work hard to make make something of yourself but there is a lot of validity to the argument that hey look the people that are going to go out there and work hard and do something they're going to do it whether you tell them to or not yeah as long as you don't make it physically impossible which a lot of these countries are yeah right now across the west like all over europe they make it practically impossible for you to start your own business and pay employees and you know innovate and um there it's not it's not like random why the united states became this just juggernaut of innovation over the last 150 years it's because dude you came over here you weren't hopping on welfare you weren't allowed to even come here if you're hopping on any public dole we encouraged entrepreneurs to come here and create yep and so i i think i think that that still needs to be an important conversation to you know encourage american greatness but as for transforming an am i don't know i i would probably have to sit on this one a little bit but i i think just hearing it right now i wouldn't have i agree with tim i wouldn't have a problem with so much transforming it to encourage people to stay home i think that child care is incredibly unusual to me i will talk i'll have conversations with people and look i don't have kids so um but i i will talk to people that will say oh well i work so hard and uh or you know i was talking to a wife one time her husband works and she works and she said that her kid went to did did child care 11 hours a day and i'm like at that point like what do you you're gonna raise the kid because i mean that's you know that's that's obviously important but also how much are you spending on that too you know um so i i don't have a problem with creating incentives to keep people home with their children to raise their kids i mean and i think culturally we need to kind of get back to that and i think that's a good kind of get back that to that as well the fact that this woman is doing 11 hours of child care per day and like people aren't kind of raising questions about that blows my mind yeah like i said i i don't like it but i like it more than democrats winning because democrats will well democrats are going to do that and more if you if democrats the border and flooded again the country again yeah absolutely absolutely and that is the the biggest problem that the united states faces now is the number of people that the biden administration allowed in right we need to deport a lot of people we need to incentivize americans to have kids right to have families and you're not going to get people to do that by just saying well look man i know it's going to be hard but pull yourself up by your bootstraps you just it's just not like i i don't like it i don't you know but you're you're you've got a situation that just sucks and so how do you fix it i don't i don't have a better option than saying look you know this is the game you got to play it you know do you know what this uh program is that they're rediverting funds from did you pick that up at all tim earlier when you were yeah he said it was it's the existing program so the program right now pays nine thousand per kid for you to be at work so if a mom and a dad have a kid and the mom says i'm gonna get a job they go okay we're gonna give you money for that which creates a perverse incentive yeah it separates parents from their kids strengthens the institutionalized learning facilities and these child care scams to be fairly honest yeah the bureaucrats are going to see the the you know the the education bureaucracy loves it because they get that money at the end of the day right it all goes into the bureaucracy somehow i look at this kind of like you know do you spend a boatload of money on your kids that are failing to try to get them to the average level or do you spend money on the kids that are excelling so that way the kids that are excelling can really excel because who's going to do more for society right it's funny i mean the kids that are excelling we're going to spend money here we're going to throw good money after the kids as a point as opposed to throwing bad money at the kids that are that are struggling i had two answers for your question if it was i had to pick a kid or a small group of people i would have picked the bright kids and and fund them to do better but if i was like a city planner i'd have to do both to make sure that the the kids that were struggling don't get left behind because they'll form gangs and then mess up my city so you kind of have to bring them in and slow down and if they're if they're if they're the kind of kids that are struggling and they're the kind of person that's going to be that's going to get into gangs and and going to be the kind of you know criminal element or whatever you want to call it they're not going to you're not going to be able to educate them by throwing money at it like you're you're just not the the way that if you look at what happens when you have bad kids in classroom like two bad kids can ruin a whole classroom yep and that holds back all the normal kids and the ones that excel and it doesn't take it doesn't take a classroom full of bad kids it takes a handful of them to be like uh you know like if you got a classroom with i don't know 25 kids or how many you're in a classroom nowadays you get two or three bad ones and that means the rest of the class suffers i was those kids out of there it's the same same kind of idea as like if you've got violent people in society get them out of society this is for the people that are trying this is for the people that are doing well get the bad ones out is this an idea that they're just floating did anyone because i didn't get a chance to review they're floating it they're floating it's just it's a plan which means who knows okay all right interesting concept i think uh unemployment also should be inverted not you shouldn't get paid to have no job you should get paid a little bit extra if you have a job i think there's a lot of people that use these programs genuinely and there's also a lot of people that use these programs non-stop for years and so it's like you know i i think as a developed country in the world superpower i i would like to see a have at least some safety net for people that, hey, life hits you hard, man. And sometimes people need that. And there's a lot of stories. And I'm sure a lot of people that are actually watching this right now that maybe they grew up like that. And they actually needed those programs. And the family worked really hard. And they eventually got off that. And that's a great thing. And I think we should have programs like that. The problem is we have people that are just perpetually on welfare for their entire lives and their kids' lives. They'll get unemployment. And then they'll intentionally not get a job. Or they'll pretend like they're trying to get a job to keep getting unemployment. It's not just unemployment, man. They'll be on everything. Anything. They'll be on all of it. Food stamps, everything. The safety net, true. Yeah, food stamps you lose if you get a job. Sometimes it's crazy. So if we could incentivize people to maybe you get a little bit of money if you're unemployed or you need food stamps. But if you get a job, you're going to get three times that in government assistance while you get back on your feet. That's the UBI idea. And it doesn't work. It'd have to be a limited amount of time. And then people would try and game that. They'd get fired. They'd collect unemployment. They'd get fired. They'd get fired. Then they'd get the job. It's not that. It's just communism. It doesn't work. That's the idea for a lot of these communist systems is that we'll guarantee you a certain degree, but you can work for more. So like in the Soviet Union, they had money. In communist China, they had money. But they had rations, too. So poor people were guaranteed. It just doesn't work. You mean like unemployment is inevitably communist? No. Some of it's OK. That's not what I'm talking about. Unemployment. I'm saying a universal basic income. Well, to go from unemployment to I'm going to get a job and still not lose all my unemployment because a lot of unemployment is I pay a tax that covers unemployment insurance, as does my employer. And then if I lose my job through no fault of my own, I am not left destitute, which would be bad for the economy. A mixed economy, I think, is fine. Some programs are OK. I'm fine with this program. I'm fine with unemployment. The issue is when you do a universal guarantee, people go, look, if I work 40 hours, I'll be able to eventually save up and get that nice car. If I don't work at all, I can do whatever I want, whatever I want, and at least the bus is there. So people just eventually stop working. Yeah, that's the problem. And then they get paid unemployment. If they've lost their job through no fault of their own, they can just sit there off and suck off the tit of the government. Yeah, for three months. Yeah, for like, no, a year and a half sometimes. 900 bucks a week. Crazy amounts. I don't know what the maximum is right now of unemployment checks and how long. Obama extended the crap. He did, but that's still a completely different thing we're not talking about. I'm concerned about people staying on benefits, if we're talking about people collecting $9,000 to sit at home with a kid. Abuse of the system is bad. Universal basic income is universal abuse of the system. That's the distinction. Yeah. So if they were to get a job and to make more than their unemployment for a short period of time, it wouldn't be a guaranteed universal setup. It would just be a way to. And I was making $35,000 a year, lost my job, filed for unemployment, and I was getting paid like $70 a week. It's not sustainable. You were in California, I bet. Yeah. Yeah. See, California's communist. It was a lot. So why would anyone want to work? That's insane. I didn't. I spent a year not having to work. It was crazy. And they were like, you know, I don't even think you had to look for a job. I was like looking for a job. I'm like, it was the most miserable degrading. Illinois wasn't like that. What's that? And I don't think anybody should be like that because I was incentivized to not get a job. I had a job opportunity where I would have made less than $9.50 a week getting a job. No, no, no. Hold on. There's a distinction there. The unemployment system will tell you explicitly not to take a job. It said don't take, don't. Because it's bad for the economy. Because what happens is a guy will make $60,000 a year. He'll get laid off because the company goes bankrupt or something. He'll get unemployment and then I'll say, well, I found a job, but it's going to pay me 40%. They go, stop. That's going to perpetuate unemployment. So wait until you can find a comparable job or when you have no choice. That's what they told me. It's like, don't take a job that makes less than a certain amount. It's like, bro, there are plenty of jobs where I'll make less than my unemployment check taking 40 hours a week. 40 hours a week. I'm doing zero hours a week. Right. The government's paying more than what a job would pay. But you understand why that's correct, right? Why it's correct or corrupt? Correct. It is. It was the correct way to do it. Because a guy. A guy who's got three kids who needs $900 a week to feed his family, taking a job that pays less than he was getting before. It might have been $950 every two weeks for the record. I don't remember what was the maximum. If a guy is told he's going to get $600 a week in unemployment because it's based on 67% of what his salary was, and he says this is a struggle, they will say don't take a lesser paying job because then you and your kids will be homeless, which will create a bigger problem for the system. What they should have done is let me get the lesser paying job and augmented that with a little bit less than what I had been making with unemployment, but still something. And rather than just cutting me off as soon as I get a gig. I think there's a fair argument to make that they could say take the job and we'll pay the difference for a certain amount of time. Or the difference plus 10% or some real incentive. But the problem there is, what are they saying? That in three months when this difference expires, you quit that job? It doesn't make sense. Tough gig. And so unemployment makes sense in that we pay taxes for the purpose of unemployment insurance. Both we and the employers pay that. You know what's crazy? It's a crazy thing. When people collect an unemployment check, they have to pay taxes on that like it's income. It's insurance they've already paid, and then they get their insurance claim, and they have to treat it like income. Yeah, I don't agree with that. But I do agree with disability and unemployment insurance. The problem is, so what I will say is these programs are beautiful, perfect in every single way. The problem is your society. A hard-working class American society that believes in honor and integrity doesn't want to be on unemployment. They're embarrassed to say they are. They're embarrassed to say they're getting EBT. So they take it when they need it. They pay into it, but they try to get off it as fast as possible because they don't want to be embarrassed. But you get people who don't care about our way of life, who don't have honor and integrity, and they will exploit that perpetually, and that's the problem. So again, if everybody in the country had an identical moral worldview to Seamus Coughlin, no one would complain about unemployment welfare because they would try as hard as they could to make sure that they were getting EBT. They would try as hard as they could to make sure that they were getting EBT. as they could not to be on it and they wouldn't exploit it. But then you bring in people from Haiti who don't care or people from Somalia who explicitly have said, these are the rules you put before us. We are simply following them. But there's an honor system. Well, they're like, but you told us we could just walk out of the store with the food. Yes, but you're not supposed to. But I can. Yeah. OK, then I will. No honor among thieves over 20. The best field operative I've ever had. Where? Hotel Tehran. This is bad. Like run for the hills bad. Do it now. The truth. The Fix in theaters September 11th. A five percent. A five percent of Philadelphia's population. And there's there's some places that are even higher than this is on food stamps. I mean, the abuse in some of these programs. I'm just talking about welfare just in general here, not not unemployment, of course. Welfare in general is I mean, it's got to be there's probably 100 times the amount of people that are on these programs that should even be on that. Yeah. You know, like everyone, all these people are abusing it without 26 percent of Philadelphia's entire population. Or I think it's like maybe Baltimore or somewhere has like 40 percent on on food stamps. I mean, these programs are way out of control. And this and again, we got to go to callers. But I just want a final thought on this. It's not the program. It's not the police. It's your society. It's your culture. For sure. For sure. And I want to talk a lot about this in the uncensored portion of the show, because it's going to get edgy, as it were. It's going to be at Rumble dot com slash Timcast IRL. But we're going to talk about taboo subjects related to demographic shifts in the United States. I want to talk about my neighborhood and some positives, some negatives. But also, what does it mean? For your home to be your home? And is it racist? For people of varying ethnicities to to want to live around each other, like for Latinos, for Asians, for black people, for white people? What does it really mean? I want to talk about that. We'll talk about the uncensored portion. For now, we're going to grab your rumble rants and super chats. So smash that like button. Share the show. Force name change says I smell bullish. What does Russia have to gain from attacking Germany or any other NATO ally? They're barely holding out against Ukraine. Never mind NATO. Couple couple one. I tend to agree with you. It seems very I don't know. False flag is the right word. But NATO wanting to get support to fund Ukraine makes a lot of sense. Why would Russia instigate against NATO? They're being attacked in Moscow. That being said, the counter argument is that they're striking military targets where NATO is using to fuel and supply Ukrainians. So they're they're trying to be disruptive without triggering a war. Russia wants or arguably European EU citizens to control Ukraine. So they're trying to be disruptive without triggering a war. And again, we don't know for sure. Libertarian Hawk says Phil, I want to include you as a werewolf in my next book. Fratras, a modern mythical story. I just tagged you on X with the excerpts and I want to include with you as a character. Okay, we'll see. Force name change says someone passed Ian Adubi. He seems a bit tense. Oh, feel that there's a lot going on. You're into it. I'm feeling it, bro. Captain Overkill says I bought. The no red coat skateboard on June 16th and was charged. Never got it. And no one answers my emails at boonies at Q. You guys suck at business. All right. Captain Overkill, we'll send you a Chinese board. No problem. How does that sound? I will get I will personally have the Chinese laborer write a letter. I'll ask. Seriously, I'm going to reach out to to our distributors and say, can we get the Chinese manufacturer to write a letter in Chinese to Captain Overkill explaining the benefit he received? As an employee of the company, why it's better that we buy from China with all due respect and no disrespect. I appreciate you bought the bought the board, but we've explained on the show several times. We have lost three American manufacturers. If you want, I will get you a Chinese made board. I will personally make the phone call and say, let's get that Chinese made board because Captain Overkill wants it. Now, again, I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I'm trying to make the point. American companies are going out of business. American manufacturing, as in dire straits. And because we chose American manufacturing, it's been taking a long time. Three factories have gone out of business, even though we are selling out. It's just not enough. Now, the boards have started shipping. So this is the good news. And indeed, I apologize. It's taken a long time. Here's the problem. We have gotten more demands for Chinese made boards because they want the art instead of supporting the American manufacturing industry. So we have to get the Chinese made board instead of supporting the American manufacturing. That's just the reality. We have gotten from emails, people saying, I don't care. I want the board. And we've said, we've replied, guys, we don't want to buy Chinese made boards. It's insane. It's destroying the culture here. It's bad for the American economy. Be honest. We've gotten more people saying, I don't care. Give me the Chinese board. So I say, okay, people don't want to wait. And I think that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a challenge, I suppose. I think that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a challenge, I suppose. But when you, when push comes to shove, the individual says, what's one Chinese board? It's not like everyone's doing it. The problem is everyone is doing it. So I apologize that hasn't come. It's like terrorists forcing growth because people will go out of their way to not spend the money here. Guys, I got to be honest. I'm not sure it's possible. We, we get everything we do made in America because we want to be true. But I think the sad reality is not enough people actually care. And it feels kind of like, it's like, it feels kind of like I am legend. Sitting in the top of the tower, looking down at all the people carrying their Chinese manufactured skateboards with smiles on their faces. And I'm like, guys, shouldn't we make these boards in America? One or two people say, you go, Tim. And then they go and buy a Chinese made board from the shop. So it's, it's, it's, it's really hard to do when people are like, I don't care about the boards. I want them now, even if it comes from China. And it's like, okay, I guess like we should probably just switch to Chinese boards. It's an uphill battle. It's not a battle for sure. I mean, we'd, we'd, we'd make so much more money. So we are trying to be something different that supports the American culture, but I don't know that you, you, I can pull up a million videos on Instagram of a Japanese or Chinese kid ripping on a skateboard. In America, the culture is largely dead. And then you, you go online and people are like, Tim Pool's wrong. Skateboarding is thriving. The international market is amazing. I agree. It's doing great in Japan and China. I can't name a skate shop near me. All the iconic shops have closed. There's very few left. The ones that do exist are being subsidized. So the, all the iconic shops have closed. So this is the challenge when you guys buy from us, everything you get is American made. And then what happened was we went through our third factory going out of business. We had our first factory and they were like, holy crap, how are we going to make it? are you selling so many boards? And we're like, we got a big show. People are big fans of the boards. And then I remember they came to us and said, we just can't do it anymore. We're shutting down. Even they just, they just can't afford it. They can't afford it. And we, and our boards are not overly priced. What, what these pro companies are doing is they're importing from China and they're getting them made at 30 bucks. It's only about 90 bucks. How much are your boards? They cost us around like 35. We sell them for 50. For a deck? Yeah. That's totally normal. That's actually ridiculously cheap. No, that's like, that's like a great price. I mean, I used to, I grew up skateboarding. I think what, I think what we have to do is like charge a hundred bucks for a board and then just give 60 to the shop to keep them in business. But the problem is these American shops can't compete with China. This is the, this is the reality. We go to these American shops and we're like, guys, how much for a board? And they're like 35 and we're like done. And they go, whew. Then we sell them for 50. And then our distributor says, why don't you guys just buy the wood from China? It's, it's, it's like 15 a board. It's dirt. It'll make so much more money. And we're like, because we want the American shops to exist, but the American shops, get enough clients outside of us. Because what happens is someone goes to them and says, how much for a board? And they go 35 and they go, eh, I'll go to China for 15. So then eventually they say, Hey Tim, you're the only one that's doing these boards, but we only have two staffers. It's, it's really hard. We give up. I see. I see. Three factories have gone out of business. I was going to say like that price that you're talking about. It's totally, I mean, if you, if I were to look up flip skateboards right now, are they still making skateboards? Yeah. 80 bucks. Uh, 80. Yeah. That's even more expensive than I thought. But anyway, some of them are a hundred. Yeah. So you're super competitive. You're just saying, okay, well the price that you're getting them for is, uh, so here's the issue. We could sell the boards for a hundred and then just tell the shop, we're going to give you 60 per per board you make to keep you in business. Then the question is, will our viewers want to buy a board for a hundred bucks? Then the issue. So the principal issue is right now, let's just do math. Hypothetically, a skateboard manufacturer in the United States needs to sell a thousand boards per month to break even the minimum they can sell a board for is 30, $30. And they have to sell a thousand boards per month to break even. So they have to sell a thousand boards per month to break even. China's selling them at 15. So someone goes to them and says, how much for a board? And they go, we can give you a quick turnaround. We're going to make them here. It's going to be 30 per board. And they go, China's doing half the price. And they say, we can't do that. This is break even for us. Our cost of electricity, our cost of import, our American labor. And people go, I'll go to China instead. So then they end up selling over five, only 500. They say, we can't do it. We're out of business. We come along and say, we've got 300 to 400 boards per month and we'll buy them at your rate because we want America. And they say, that's great, but we need to do it. And they say, we can't do it. Double that. Otherwise we're out of business. And they went out of business. Three shops went through. Where? Hotel Tehran. This is bad. Do it now. The truth. I'll make it free. The VIX in theaters, September 11th. So I gotta be honest. Like the, the, the, the people who want to buy the boards who are fans of the show, we're getting more people who are like, I don't care about a man. You're making manufacturing. So we're like, maybe that's the reality. I think to push back on that really quick is there are different industries where the manufacturing process with this, I brought up this point earlier with, uh, you know, the new technology, when it comes to the manufacturing, they can make these products. They can make these products. For pretty close to equal what you're getting them from China. And if they're made here, you can get them a little bit faster as well. I'm not saying every single industry is that way. Maybe there's a lot of labor involved in building a skateboard. The problem with skateboarding is that it's completely dead in the United States. So the American manufacturers are competing with each other and not getting enough orders. And culturally, most Americans don't care about American made. That's why they're mad at Trump over tariffs. They don't care if they're getting cheap Timo products. They want them. Let's grab a couple more before we go to the uncensored portion and talk more about this. KJX is in honor of Tim Kass tradition over Labor Day weekend. My nephew Zach had his second child brought to this world by his brave wife. Welcome Lila into the world. A new Patriot awakens. Let's go. Young Patriot. Let's go. Let's go. We're going to Earth's atmosphere. Libertarian Ox says I had Claude build and launch a Star Wars galaxy private server. Took about an hour. Played the game. Wow. I just had Claude rewrite 40,000 action script lines of code from old from old. I just had Claude rewrite 40,000 action script lines of code from old from Flash game, recreate the entire game perfectly, implement design elements that were never implemented but are sitting dormant in the code, and then told it to reuse the code to make a sequel to the game. Mind-blowing. Upscaled the graphics, created online play, finger snap. Took about an hour. That's incredible. Insane. And that's old claw. This is not even the latest and best. We are probably a month away from you being like, make GTA 7, and I'll go, okay. That's where I'm concerned, because I'm using Claude to put code into Unity, and I'm using ChatGPT as my sidekick and all this, and then I'm using Git to make a copy of the code and sending it to GitHub before I make an iteration with Claude, and I'm like, yo, bro, in a month, you're just going to have one AI that you're like, maybe ChatGPT. Can you be like, make me an RPG that's like this, and it just, in one move, spits the game right back at you. Well, it's not instant, but yeah, you can do all that. All the other apps that you're using, you don't need to use them anymore. Definitely with Astra, when that becomes available, that'll do all the stuff for you. I want to grab one more before the Uncensored show. We got Salty Bag of Nuts. I'm in contest to be a super dad sponsored by Ace Hardware. It's awesome that they are highlighting families. 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