Roy’s Return to Management In Our Most Personal Episode Yet! | Stick to Football EP 156

Stick to football is brought to you by our title partner, Disney Plus. Watch a lifetime of great stories on Disney Plus. Where's our sweets, Kiran? Oh, no, Kiran's losing it. - Kiran lost it. - Kiran! He's lost the plot. Josh, if Roy comes in, there's no sweets. Don't worry, I don't know what's happening to you. He'll think we've lost our way. There'll be sweets. - Guy, why are you wearing the same t-shirt? - Oh, no. I need to change my t-shirt. Guy, you want me to get you one? Let me get you one, Gary. Come on, you pick me some candy. - They're in the green room. - I can't get him one. Oh, no. He's not got the sweets out in time. I'm all of it. Thanks, Roy. I'm not kind of a sweet. I'll eat some, but I. I love sweets. - Do you like certain colours? - Oh. Red or black? That's right, he's gone to get me a top. Yeah. I do every time, I do every time, I go back in to get a top. - Guy, what are these? - No, I don't want a polish shirt. - I don't do polish shirts. - You're not doing that? - You are? - With a t-shirt. - What do you want that? - Black or blue? That's blue. - Do you want the arms? - I go green. - Yes, lovely. - Psycho green. I like the green on you, girl. - I really like it. - I really like it. What you're going to go green with your faded denim jeans? - Yeah. - Oh, you look amazing. Gary's gone deep into the bag in this, man. - He is, yeah. - Yeah, he's gone deep. I can't believe I wore tight jeans for so long. - And they were tight. - We were trying to tell you, girl. Hey, and they were tight. You're a jeans with like, Ross and Friends. Remember, we were damn leather pants. - Oh, Jill! - Thank you. - Like a mustard. - Wow. - I said thank you before you even give a call. - No, it is like a tupper mustard. - Yeah? - I love it. - It's beautiful colour. - I like it. - I like it. - I just like more colour. - I like it, Jill. - Thank you. - Jill, I like you sitting there, as well next to me, by the way. - I know. Although you did have Steven Jervard last week. - Yeah. - Jill, you're so up. - You're a brim. - Right. - Like, I know what we're doing. - Yeah, it's lovely, isn't it? - Let's go. - Look at that. - I love him. - Within 10 seconds, I'd clause run my career. Because I felt I'd definitely had physically given my order mentally. So I knew I'd left nothing behind. - Technically, I could have been a bit better. - I've seen some stuff while he's spraying the bottle. - Look after the bottle. - I'd run with it. - You're going to bust the bottle. - I'm trying to be humble here. - No, I am. - You imagine me pre-map, right? - I'm doing my quick feet, me and Phil. I can't break my routine by someone coming over to me and asking me for tickets, right? - Number Fabian was going up with. - What's in him? - Linda of Injullista. - Yeah, we started going in there then, yeah. - So he started going in? - To make sure she was settling in. - Can someone AI a ball, Gary Neville, please? - Yeah, come on. - Like, somebody who wants a FIFA who's just been passed about something that's gone wrong. - He's retired from going on tour, ain't he? - What good news, guys. - I'm 81, wordly, I'm a little bit tall. - I'm 81, I got a skinny jeans. - When shall I start wearing skinny jeans, Rod? - Oh, totally, I was going to pass. - We've got three games here, right? - Wow. - One of them's called 2v2, so what you have to do, I'll give you an example. So basically, if I say training, what did you do well and what didn't you do well? You've got to come up with one of each. So that's like, that's what we're players. - Yeah, so training. - Right. - Next one, husband. - What do you do well, what don't you do well? So that's another example. - Well, I've contacted part in "Hospons". - No, we can do partners instead. - We have partners in business like. - You've not known, sure. - Do people know you're getting married? - Yeah. - We're now sitting there. - Yeah, should we now show off? - Do you know you'll be having married? - Can't wait. - It's graduation. - We're all going to be here, baby. - We're there. - I'm there, Jill. - Be a bad day, baby. - Jill, be good. - Let me hang in. - Let me hang in. - I'll never last. - I said that. (laughter) - I give them two years. - I give them two. - I've got a thing to wear, Jill. - Oh, you can wear them anyway. - Can I wear any color, Jill? - Yeah, any color you can't wear. - What do we wear? - Anything. - Suit, is it tight? - Well, you can do. But what if I'm even if you want to go a bit. - Can I ask you a question to how this year of marriage, what you think, what year is it? How does year of marriage? What do you think it is? - They say seventh, don't they? - I don't know. - Yeah, it's seven years old. - It's awfully not the first. - That's a tenth. - But the hardest one is the year you're in. (laughter) - What's so every year? - Yeah, I don't like it's tough. It's meant to be tough. - Yeah. (laughter) - The year you're in, it's married. Am I right Ian? - Absolutely, bang on right. - Oh, thank you. - Well, you've really got excited for this. - I feel so well. - I've got it. - Oh, just. - I can't wait for that moment when we get to you. When they said, "You're now, partners, barren." Done. Beautiful feeling. - Cut the cake, eat it, and let's-- - The first marriage on your second. - Oh, the second. - Hold on, hold on. - I'm just checking. - I don't know. - You're shutting me up. (laughter) - Am I going to move? - What's the-- - I was like, "wedding cake." - What's your-- - What's your-- - What's your-- - What's your structure of your day like, Jill? - No, well, for the wedding. - Yeah. - No, we're just going to have, basically, we're going to have family rammed the night before. And then the next day, we're just going to have, like, a big wedding party, basically. - Oh, so-- - So we're going to do all the-- - I'm doing this. - One mallet easier. - We don't have to come to that, right? - No, no, no, no. - Really? - Got me to come there just to do the reading out of there. - Yeah, if you two can just sit and read, and then, yeah. - You can do whatever you want to be there. - No, it's not-- It's not sit now. We're just buying the party, right? - Yeah, just a big party. - Really? I can't wait. - Yeah, my house, innit? - Yeah, this is my house. - Come and have an after party, yours, okay, great. Everyone, staying at Roy's after. - You're getting lost in the garden. - Right, well, we'll start with that then. We'll start with part of the then. So what do you do well? What didn't you do well? I think I could be more present, being honest with you. - Mm. - We'll be thinking I could do well, better. What do I do well? - I love how you found the negative script. - You know what I do well with my girl. No, especially with any of them. Anyway, in fact, anywhere in effect, wherever they are gone, pick 'em up. - Mm. - Wherever. - Wherever time, wherever they are, I will go and pick 'em up. They have a day next to me now, and she's coming back on a train from, she went to see Westlight, and I fell asleep, and she was texting me and phoning me. - Ah. - And you know what? I couldn't sleep properly in the night because I fell asleep, and then she and me, and she got a train. - No, this isn't a train. - By the way, this isn't, I've just realized, this isn't being a parent, 'cause that's net, that's over here. - Right. - It's being a partner. It's not like, they're being a parent's different. - Mm. - So what's that being a partner, like a husband? - Yeah, but what I'm saying to you, he's like being a husband doesn't mean the kids. - So I'm dancing. - With my misses then. - Yeah. - So I'm saying, I could be more present, you know, 'cause my mind's always thinking about different things, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - And then what do I do well? - Are you good listener? Do you listen? - Oh, no, I'm not. - You're very kind. - I'm good at myself. - I'm not very good at loud. I hate listening. - I'm about how. - It's just shocker. - You know what I'm, I'm not listening if I got the iPad as a game. - You know what I'm pretty good at is, what I think I'm good at is that when arguments happen with my daughters and then, and the misses is involved, I'm quite a good mediator. - I'm confused. - Yeah, because I'm quite calm. I always try to make it like, - I think I'm quite good at that, actually. - Let's just chill a bit. - Leave off. - You're kind though. - I feel like I do that. - Yeah, I feel like I do that. - Yeah, I'll say I'm kind. - Because there's a certain time when my girls realize, you're being serious right now. - And then they get-- - Like, they know the difference. - Yeah, like Jill, you-- - I would say, you've been with Shelley for years and years. - Yeah, nine years. One thing I would say I need to be better is like, tidy and helping with chores and stuff. I'm terrible at that. One thing I think I'm good at, is I always organize like I would trips and I would dais out and stuff like that. - I do that. - So I think I make quite fun. - And concert tickets. - No, that's you. Not that way I've been in the position. - Right. - What do you do well and what don't you do well? - Oh, I hate to stop. - I love this. (laughing) - Always walks the dogs. Everybody in the family's got a dog. - Yeah, we're good. - That's the thing. - That's the thing. - That's the thing. - You do that everyone. - Oh my god, is it? - Yeah. - Advice? - That's apparent now. - It's like a rat. - I shouldn't eat this, but. - That's tough question now. - It shouldn't be. - I'm quiet. - I'm not. - I'm not about use of all struggle but it's something you good at. (laughing) You need to go home and reflect. - No, I'm good at loads of stuff. It's just which one to say. I can provide. - All your lives are very good. - I'm trying to remain humble here. - Yeah. - I'm a good at. - What, you're not good at? - I'm reliable, I think. - Yeah. - I mean, I'll turn up and put a shift in. - For stuff. - So you're reliable? (laughing) - That's good. What, you're not good at? - I'm doing anything. - Are you impatient at home? - I am sometimes. - Yeah, but not always. - No, I'm just. - I'm just heat-nosed. - No, I bring things back together. I make the effort. You know, to. - What would you be impatient about? Whatever's happening is trying to make sure that you're. - Oh, I can get it. - I am just impatient sometimes. - No, I can't. - That's more. - That's more, man. That's not. - No, I don't. I don't eat enough with them at night sometimes. 'Cause I've. I've got an annex coming. - No, that. Well, I'm not having that. There's certain things you don't always eat. - We have to eat with them at night. - I don't eat with them at night. - Oh, you should eat it. - Yeah, I don't eat with them. - Yeah. I think that's the time where you can chat and no one's on the phone. - No, we eat together. - Yeah. - Absolutely. - Yeah. - Big part of it. - So you would get annoyed with me for saying I constantly go on about being on phones to hear that about me. - Oh, yeah? - No, like, I'm like, let's do our phones and I think. - Well, you said that to him, right? - Yeah. - I think that's what they would say. would be annoying about me, definitely. I'll be, but it'd be interesting what your partner would say to you. Would say, yeah, yeah, should we ring Theresa? Yes, Tama. Right. Next one. Next one. I don't even think we've got answers. What are you good at? I'm good at being there. Like I said, I'll go and pick them up from anywhere they are. And anything, family, family has to get dropped off, so I do all that. Like logistic. I do all that, yeah, I do that. And what would you be better with? Like I said, I could eat with them. Eat with them, okay. You know what, it's just sometimes, it's just like the football matches are on it a certain time, and it always throws me that, you know. You'd be eating before the football match, because the football match, that's the eight. You've got to eat before eight. Sometimes I haven't eaten before eight. What's the problem with you? I don't have to, why are you digging me out from work time? I'm eating after eight. Yeah, but sometimes I'm talking about all that, not just dinner, like sometimes at lunch and stuff. I don't, I'm not eating with them enough. I should be eating with them. Yeah, but at night, you eat at 6.37, don't you like between that? - You want some tea. - Yeah, yeah, I see. It's tea. Everyone might be watching something else, so I might be doing it. That's what I'm saying. I need to find time, because there's time. It's not like there's no excuse. - Yeah. - How'd you get a bit older, though? You get a bit more, like, you relate a bit more. - What do you want to do? I just want to be able to find my family stuff. It's key, you know. - You're all good with family time, you know? - Yeah, I'm absolutely. - Getting everyone together a bit. - Yeah, I might try. - We had a really good one the other day. Family came around. - Get together, yeah. - Grandkids and everything. - Yeah, it's beautiful, that's when you realize, you know something. - That's key, yeah. - This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney Plus. - Rivals is back and Danny Dyer. - I love Danny Dyer. - I believe you're a fan of Danny Dyer. You're a fan of Danny Dyer, aren't you? - We should get Danny Dyer, aren't we? (all laughing) - That's what they took, that's what Ben told, but it's won in the Fountain of Knowledge. - In the world. - I said Danny Weber. (all laughing) - Danny Dyer. - It's all nice, you know. - Rivals is back, apparently. - Is that the Rudy Schubon? - No, Rudy, no, no, rivals. - No, I'm saying Rudy, it's with Rudy, isn't it? - Yeah, there's sex in it. - Yeah, it's like Rudy Schubes, I said. What do you think I said? - I don't know. - Have you never seen it? - Rival. - What do you say, Rudy what? - Rudy is that right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, rivals. - There is sex in there. - I'm sure they're playing Senna's topless. - Yeah, so what is that? - I've not seen Rival. - Yeah, the place has been topless, so get tune in. (laughing) - What makes a brilliant Rival in football, who's the biggest rival that you've ever had? Club and personal like player that you've played against? Who's the biggest rival that you've ever played? - Well, like on the pitch. - As a club, I saw obviously Tottenham, isn't it? - And then there's a player that you've played against who's your biggest rival? - Well, not dislike him, just dislike rivals. - Is this a good question? - Oh God, remember Keith Stevens from Millwall, Rhino? As I said, Rhino's gonna get you. He was my biggest rival. 'Cause I genuinely thought that he was gonna hurt me, but like, you just get on with it, but he was easily the right. And the thing is, he went to Australia, we get on really well now, it's a lovely bloke, but I genuinely thought he's gonna hurt me when I used to play against Rhino. - So Tottenham and Keith Stevens, Rhino? - Keith Stevens. - Arsenal, probably. - Arsenal, 'cause of the years. - Patrick, probably. - Patrick. - Patrick, probably. - And now your friends? - No, I'm gonna. - Yes, you are. - You're friends, you are close enough. - I saw you, it's probably like, we did that gig last night. - He owned it. (all laughing) - Back from Senegal, didn't we? - Yeah. (all laughing) - You're right. - It's just had to do just the right move. - I am biggest rival. When I was at City, definitely Chelsea, 'cause it was always like us too gone for it. And Keith, your Chapman, we used to just kick this shit out of each other, literally. So yeah. - Good Chapman. - Yeah, I'd probably say Chelsea in Evan. Evan just gets me inside Darby's. And just Chelsea's 'cause they were the probably one team. Obviously, we've got a rivalry in it. But we were never competing with you. It was really for the league. But we had that competition with Chelsea for three or four years. Champion league semi-finals and big cup games and that. So I'd probably say Chelsea. In terms of what was the player? - The player. - The biggest rival. - The biggest rival. - As in, like, yeah. - Deary. - Draug by, was Draug by habit. - I'd probably say Draug, but as in, 'cause here he was on one way street. That was just, like, there was nothing to shoot. - No, no. With Draug, when it was a good bounce, played lots of games against Shell, probably say Draug by. - What about you, Guy? - Gary. - I'm going to say Liverpool. - Liverpool's out of doubt. - And I'm probably going to say Robbie Fowler. We used to have some, yeah, we used to have some stuff going on the pitch with each other. But we have good badly scored a lot of goals. - Yeah. - He's got a great, even I've great badly scored. - But we thought, Karra sometimes at times. Karra was always, obviously, you know. - Yeah, giving it. - Do you ever think about it the night before? You know, if you were like, was the sun players that were getting your head a bit? I knew if I was coming up against Chapman, I'd be thinking about it a bit the night before. Like more than other games. - I was there. Like a lot, like a lot. - Like a lot more than your few times on Crust, didn't you, man? - Crust. - That'll go through a bit. - Oh, God, God, God, God, God, God. - I was talking about God. - Right, that strikes me. He's like, "I didn't see you." (laughing) - Right, right, it was. - Right, remember, it's one moment. - Oh, no. - It did you a few times that it knows one's right. - Oh, it's one's. - Oh, it's one's. - The award winning series returns to Disney Plus. 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I eat at the same time. - And you thought it was gonna be the answer. - And I am consistent around food, so yeah. - Good. - So I'm very consistent. - I like to think I'm consistent around food now. I like what I do right at the moment is my disciplining going to the gym fight. - That's not diet. - Yeah, but like the food. - You keep answering the wrong question. - No, no, no. The food comes with it. - The food comes with it, girl, because like my discipline to make sure that the gym's right comes from the fact that I've got to eat the right food and I'm religious on that end, just something. I look forward, I usually wake up before my alarm, but literally I look forward to walking out the house, particularly now it's cold in the morning, at quarter six to walk to the gym. And I love the fact that after it, I go and walk for a coffee. I have a coffee just somewhere there. - Got a routine at that time. - And then I come back with a hoodie on and I just walk back up extra to nine. - Should I do colds this coming in? - Yeah, I love winter. - Yeah, I like that. - Walkin' with dog hair. - That's it, yeah. - Yeah. - I love it. I love that. Back to diet. - Like a weakness. - My weakness is, you know, it's those kind of, you know, you go to the shop and you can buy those cakes with the icing on top and you put custard on it. That's my weakness. - Sponge, yeah. - No, but you're disciplined. I like sweet stuff, but obviously I can have one bar or two. You could you eat like loads of stuff and go overboard. - I can eat, you know, I do stuff. - I can eat, like you see them like biscuits, like chocolate, I can eat the whole pack of it. - Yeah, if I'm watching. - I've stopped doing it, I've stopped doing it now. Because like, that was easy to do. Especially if they're a little bit warm and melted. I can easily eat a full pack of chocolate. - I've got no, do you know what I mean? You talk about someone who's disciplined and like professional and I am crap. - Yeah, you see these? - I could as well, right? - There was a time when I'd enjoyed that one. - I'd have to eat stuff. - They're not good enough to eat all of them. - No, no, no, but the thing is I can eat four or five of them and I go because they're easy to do it. So I've had to, all that has had to cut out. - Okay. - What would you have like a lot of, like give us an example? - A massive bar of dairy milk. - Oh yes. - And I wouldn't stop. - Would you eat all of that? - Like the giant buttons from Madison Spencer, you know, the massive giant buttons. - Yeah, I can't stop. - I can't stop. - I can't stop. - I can't stop. - I can't stop. - I can't stop. - I can't stop. - So yeah, I'm quite disciplined. I do like chocolate, but I think, you know, when you were grown up and you were allowed like one thing after you ate, I think I go, right? I love that bar chocolate and then I'm done. - You can have a little bar of chocolate, that big? - Yeah. - A little one. - Yeah, my good. - Oh no. - It's a little fizzy, like a fizzy pot, fizzy drink, not a fizzy drink. - I don't know. - Yeah, I don't know. - Which is a really good ass there, just well. - I think what I don't do so well is when I'm on the go, I probably don't eat enough. I always make sure I have like my tea on a knife back and I have a couple of coffees on the morning and then if I'm at work and stuff, I'm not very disciplined with my food. - I've got a sweet tooth, but I don't have a big appetite. - Do you have something every night? - Right, I always think I have something every night. - Like as a sweetness. - Yeah. - But Roy, how do you not put weight on? Because you are not a walking. But I'm saying, you don't do gym all I trust. - I am, I know anything like that, but you walk. - I walk. - And that keeps your weight. - I think I've a really small appetite. - Don't eat that much. - No, I don't. - No, I don't. I'll sit and have a meal with people. I just barely. - But when we go out though, you eat like, I don't want meals. - But I wouldn't have a starter in a main course. And I might have like, I definitely might just have a main course. And usually you watch, I don't actually don't eat that much. - I'm very similar to be honest, 'cause I don't do loads of training. And I'll just walk and I don't think that like. - Over eight, yeah. - I have to work my backside off, and then even then I'm a little bit still, hot full. - But that means you're still-- - You're always looking mostly though, doesn't it? - No, but Joseph, I literally work quite hard in the gym like five times. - Do you think you've got a chubby guy inside you? - Oh, I'm desperate to get out. - I'm fighting every day to like, so. - Go out often, would you? - I'm fighting. - I'm fighting sometimes, obviously. - I do, I do. - Go out often, do you have that massive bar? - I do, I do. - I've tried to cut down on it to be fair. - You know how many calories in like this? - Joseph, Ian, it's the-- - It's thousands. - Hey, beaties, it scares me. - Well, that should frighten you, go. - Yeah. - That should frighten you, because like, that's a lot of trouble. - I know. - But you've lost a lot of weight over the last two of you. - You know what? - No sugar, it's no sugar. - What about your last, are you like, don't, a stone as much as-- - Is that more stone in a half? - I drink a bit as well. I don't drink a bit a lot, but I drink, you're like, I have a few glasses of wine every night, so you're going, no, no, no, no, I was, I can cove it, I was having a, yeah. - You see, I stopped, ooh, I don't drink-- - Yeah, I drink in the house. - I'm at the, that's why the house now. - And I'll have a ginnies if I go out, nothing else. - Sometimes, you know, if you're doing, like, talks and events, sometimes that can get back and I'd be like, God, I had three glasses of wine one day. Three, two, three. - Well, if you want to function, you've got to be-- - Yeah. - I think export people, I think export people still eat drink, what they're kind of used to when they were playing. Obviously, back in the day, you were born and off, you were trained. - So I think people, for my problem, have the drug finished. - Yeah. - I was eating the same, and not training. And that's a calorie. - I've also-- - Massive discipline. - What's your opposite of that? - What's the opposite? - Just opposite. - Go out and you might drink a fizzy water or something, maybe something, I just-- - Would you eat healthy when you do eat? - Yeah. - Do you not like it? - Yeah, I've got healthy, yeah. - Fish and veg, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - All the, like, salmon and steak and chicken, a bit of rice, not so much pasta. How's the pasta two, three times a week? Maybe once a month, you know? - You know what, the hardest thing not to bring it up, but obviously I was playing football and I went in the jungle straight after, and I was used to all them calories. And I just-- - A little chef here, assistant. - Oh my god, like dizzy. - Yeah, dizzy, lost so much weight. - What are you worried about, yeah? - I couldn't at first, we were trying, I remember my tank oxy, and I will do some weights and that in the jungle, you know, just like with the trees and that, well, branches. And then it got to like do two, you know, twig, and that, I was sore like, yeah, just would feel light hard, at your head, light hard. Light-headed, you know, when you walk down, to get the-- - Yeah, down the bottom. - All the wood and bring a part. - You still want to do it, girl, didn't you? - No. - You still want it. - Yeah, it's on Joe, you don't need it. - I've got some fries against my hand cut. (laughing) - That's another episode. (laughing) - This episode of "Stick to Football" is brought to you by Disney Plus. (upbeat music) - A bit of football one, playing in your position. What did you do well in your position? What could you have done better in your position? What didn't you do so well? - I like, I like to think I finished well. Like my link up play. It was something I would never be. I was never completely happy with. Even in game before I could have done that, but the ball comes into you. Then as you get older, learning so late that how important is for a striker to keep the ball for people who are coming on to you. - Did you have a lot of assists here? - I don't think I have to. I make 20 odds, maybe I'll have to. - And all strikers score goals now. They also assist those like. - It's a different world, but what I'm saying is, is that even when I knew I'd done it well, when I'm getting ready to look around and it's gonna happen, I'm quite scared. 'Cause I don't want this ball to break down off of me. Especially when I went to Arsenal and you got mercy, you got this, you got Dennis and that. You have to keep it for them. And that was something that I never stopped thinking about. - But did you shoot a little bit? Obviously, Palace where we just want you running behind. - Just running behind it to hear that. - To be honest, is that I knew that Stassau Steve Copper wanted to play me and it was suited me, especially coming straight out, semi forward ball. So I wanted to go that way, but then when I started to train with people like Trevor A, like big number nine and realised I've got to work off of him. So when the ball goes into him, I got to make sure I come round. So as he can lay into me and just say, if I make a run there or if he runs across there, it was like, when you were in England squad, you'd think I have to step up on the other side. Because you go to the England squad and even like, people don't realise people like Des Walker and Paul Parker. When they're marking you, you're like, you're looking a straight jacket. Everything is to touch is, if you touch it and it's a little bit of boom, they're coming and they're getting it. They're getting it. Perhaps it's a good defender. It's very good. - Very good, very good. It could leap kind of few it. - Just so righty, I reckon one of the biggest improvements I've seen in a player come to United from when they joined to the end was Andy Cole's link up play. And I'm not talking about going from someone who like, when he came, he was with pure goal scorer. But towards the end, Cole is touched and his link up play. What's going on? - But then that's the thing is to be able to have the ability to say, oh, so I'm going to have to play like that, then you adjust. - Yeah. - You adjust, that's why he probably went on for us. He played quite a lot because then what happens is is that the technical ability and the experience with the game and knowing what you need to do is certain. You know what, it was such a beautiful experience. - Let's talk that right in. Where you're back to playing. - Oh, it's so tough here. - Especially when you've got. - Good defenders, good defenders. - A time when they could come through. - Yeah, back in the day. - And so you could come through it. And then you've got that midfield who's going to try and nick it off you. And it's got to come in here. - But you said Dez was good. Dez would be giving you a stick. - Right, you know what the kind of stick that Dez did, he's just talking to you about we making that run for. He's not even, did I tell you that? We making that run for. He's not even got his end up. - I used to think that when I was playing against a striker, you could, when they were just about to control it, you could just literally rather. - Yeah, you had to go through the back of it. - Just clip them. - Just literally, just swinging your leg with their leg. - Yeah, yeah. - Just making contact. - I make contact, that was a foul. - But it must be frustrating when you come up against really good players, same for me and midfield, and it goes up to you thing, I've got a thing I have on me. And they just have a nice little touch and they go away for me, like the real top players like that. - So again, what you've got to touch. When you watch like again, you appreciate when you see it, I watch Dominic Calvert looing against Arsenal. It's a fantastic display of a number nine and getting the ball against two really robust defenders. - You're aggressive, yeah. - It was brilliant to watch, 'cause you don't see it anymore. - Was that the right age? - The lunchtime game. - That was the one where we played leads. - Oh, it was tough for Arsenal. - They were good leads. - Honestly, they were very good when we played the cards. - You know who else, Robbie, when I watched them making the city, wow. - He almost like, you know how some strikers, the ball, comes in, the protect, then they get the hit. He almost does the hit, then he's so good at that. - I don't feel it. - Right, as well. With that number nine, if you're playing like, I think Solanki could do more to be the same. I think the Dominic Calvert looing. When Dominic Calvert looing plays that, there's no one who's comfortable in a defensive role. Even Virgil wouldn't be comfortable if he's getting the right service, 'cause he's so awkward. He's so good at keeping, and it's just, we were lucky, United, remember, Mac use and York, Teddy, like I'd be zipping boards it, and I tell you what, they looked at it. - Teddy, I give them that. - All of them to be fair. - Teddy, yeah, about the thing, if you're talking about, you know. Teddy's shot, he was brilliant at it. York, he was good. I just trying to get a ball off York, remember. - He was strong. - And he'd want that to defied him. - Yeah. - But Eric was brilliant at it. - Yeah, Eric. - And he'd want, you have to, his bravery to that. - Well, just to me, if you played the ball into a striker, and they didn't hold it, they were getting killed. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were getting killed off the manager, off the players. Like they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, when I, when I signed for palace, what I learned very quickly. Well, I remember Jim Cannonek, he's coming at, because like, get older, you've got to get older because they can't get a brother. We had a forest, Brian Kulf was a great, for a striker, if you didn't call that boy, he's taking you off. But I still can't even strike up a charge. I still say I hold on that. I still say the coal comes now most. If it bounces off someone, he's got to get older. You just say it. Yeah. I've got to get an eye, but virtue. I know, not. Difficult to do. Yeah, yeah. They kept bouncing off him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's just a whole bit. Like a wall. It's just. Jill. So was "Finish and Well" football a husband? What'd you say? What? What were you on about? You finished "Finish and Well" was out under football. No, that was what you said. What you liked on what you didn't like about. He said he wanted to finish better after some part of the. LAUGHTER He probably wanted to finish better as well. Right, Jill? No, right. Have you done both yours? Yes, playing your position again? What were you good at? Playing in your position. So I could have been better at technical ability, like receiving as like a single six. I wasn't very good at that. So like Rodney Roll? Yeah, I wasn't very good at that. But what I did well was I did just run all day, pressed. Rust people. Yeah. You just got as well. Yeah, a few, but I could have been better at that, yeah. But I think it was just for me, like, work rate, keeping everyone organised. So you say I'm answer is me, Jill. LAUGHTER Right, I'm going to say. I think I knew my position pretty well. I think I knew where to be, and where to stand. I think. So I think I knew my position well organisationally, sort of, so I'd think. What could have done better? And I look back now. And I used to laugh about the fact I only scored seven goals, and my assists, I don't have my assists I've got. With the team that I played in, if I was under the pressure that current fullbacks are to affect the game in the final third with crosses and goals, I genuinely believe that I would have worked on it a lot more and I would have scored and making it up. I just scored 25-30 goals for United as a fullback and probably had 60 assists or 50 assists in the games that I played. Because we had all the chances, we had all the possession we scored, loads of goals, there was nothing restricting me going forward. But I used to overlap there, I never used to go there, like Niko O'Reilly, I was watching Niko O'Reilly and Gavardio all the time. They're going there, I never went there, but I was just stricken here because the team. - Yeah, but I just think when I look back now. - It's true, yeah, that's what you said about Trent. So, some full background, don't worry about overlap, it just comes back to you. I think when your goal score is the top end of the pitch, I should have impacted the game better in the final third, I think, than I did as a fool. Yeah, but, truthfully, your mindset got into football matches. It was not making a mistake, not, you know, keeping my eyes shut, keeping the guys quiet. We weren't saying, at the end of the season, we weren't saying, now we want to get two goals or three, we just wasn't in the conversation. - What's the other story? - No, truthfully, I think. Mine was the same as Jill, really, I just. - You could get enough of the back full, right? - No, no, no. As I got a bit older, technically, I could have been better. I could have, technically, I could have been a bit better. - But obviously, I don't. - In what way? - In what way? - Yeah, I've seen some stuff where he's spraying the ball. - I can look after the ball, I don't know. - I can't look after the ball, no. - I can run with it. - You're trying to be a. - No, I, yeah. He hasn't got a bad one, really. I could, we look at Gerard, scores, he's lashing, but I didn't have that in my locker, did I? - He was going for 25. - Well, I think I could ping a pass, maybe, but not, do you know what? I think one of my strengths, and maybe I kept everything simple, keep it simple. I was obviously, I just keep simple, look after a ball. But again, I wasn't scoring goals for 25 or 30 yards, I don't know, that technique. - Tracking your runners could have been better. - Yeah, well, you couldn't hit that for 25 yards of fricking him. - And that 25, 30 yard pass, he couldn't knock that. - Yeah, the pass, but I'm on about lashing, lashing ones in. So, with gel peros in the pocket, he just looked over his shoulder. Back before he kept dropping and dropping. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Right, next one, Jale, do you want to go on the next one? - What one you got? - Life after football. - Where's that? - What you did well, and what you didn't do so well. I've realised that, it's that same thing. - Good question, come up with these questions, geez. - This is good. - I like them. - I definitely could have been more focused on what I was doing. I just did everything, you know what I mean? Try to do too much. So, try to pull everything back really, just to coach, media, business, you know, just. - At least you had a plan though, when you said, "Oh, you had a plan." - I had a plan. - I had a plan. - Yeah. - Yeah, I did, I knew what. - And you had a plan. - Just something. I always looked at players that, it used to scare me, juggle ads that used to walk around the stadium, Roy. That you just used to do the match days and walk around the stadium. You used to do, like, the traffic suite in the. - Yeah. - The traffic suite. And it used to scare me to death, I used to think, "I don't want to walk around the stadium." - What do you mean, what do you mean? - Just like ex-players. - Ex-players who walk around the stadium. - Well, I. - Just some people can say, "I love women." - Yeah, you and I. - I think I paid, you know. I don't, but I just thought, "You scared me to death that." I just thought, "Just with that, I'll make me. " I'm not really good at that. I'm not a. I'm not a social type person in terms of, like, I just thought, "You scared me." - You tried, didn't you? You were. - I tried it for about four months and I just had to. I stopped it. - Yeah. - So, that wasn't for me that. - But you said that's what you didn't do well, but I would have put that down as what I did. - No, but you've. - Except for the Renzi job, Gill, except in the England job, they're still doing business. They're still doing the meat. If you think about it now, it's wrong. - But you learned what you liked and. - Yeah. I'm looking, I experienced things, I did that, but I think looking back, it was too much. And then, what did I do well? I maintain my work ethic from football in my post-football career. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I just. - I think that's a natural thing when you're that driven. You take that. - It's work ethics, yeah. - I feel like I have to do things, so. - You're so hard work, and though, you are. - But that's because that's not too much, John. - Yeah. - Sometimes, I think, but what am I doing? So, I'm not always in control of that. You know what I mean? It's like. - Do you know what I mean? - Yeah. Right, Roy. After what, it's a sub-plane. What did you do? What I don't want, I think. I kept everything together, if you don't know what I mean. Just carry on, stayed in football, didn't crash in burn, which I top. - Yeah. - There's definitely potential for that. Kind of kept everything simple, of a nice family, but probably the most content that I've ever been in my life. Kind of content in the middle of the road stuff. And yeah, I think, again, there's always the pitfalls when we all finish. Again, that idea, what do you do after football? The pitfalls of players. We've seen it all, addictions, bankruptcy, divorce, to hold your bang. I've kind of kept it all. - Yeah. - Kind of kept it together, right? This is certainly not perfect, obviously not. I kind of enjoy what I do know with the people I work with, the companies I work with, and that will do me. I'm quite contented to good on. It's just what scared me once is when people think that you play football, like 13 years, 14 years, and you finish football at 35. You've got, like, 40, 45 years to get through. And you've been stimulated, and I'm massive adrenaline rush every single one. Distrenching, for me, for all of my. Do I used to obviously play and I was a bit mad. I told you, when I retired, when I remember, when I rang Gordon's track in, and I said, "Garden out, obviously, my hip." I'm finished. I still had a year left to sell it. When I came off the phone, would in 10 seconds, I'd closure on my career. - Seriously? - I'd closure. I didn't even kind of go, "You know what? You'd be worried about the hang-ups and routine of training." But I was cool with it, I was dying. Because I felt I'd definitely had physically given my all. I mentally, so I knew I'd left nothing behind. This nubs and downs, of course. So I got closure. So I'm not one of these players that looks back. - Would you want to go talk to him? - I don't. Even if I didn't do the media stuff, I'd have no interest in going back to. Truthfully, I've said it before, and I mean this in the nice. This is kind of a. Not against the clubs. I didn't want any. kind of connections with the club, where I felt I had to go up back or I had to go and do some stuff. I got, "No, I loved it when I was there. I gave everything I had." Thank you, and hopefully you enjoyed when I was there, and I gave everything I had. But I've moved on to other stuff for me, like, "I'm not drawn back to United, Celtic, Forest, whatever it might be when I was a player." And I got closure. So my contentment comes out. I give it me all. And now I'm kind of doing stuff, and I stay involved in football, obviously. And I want what we're good people. As to keep for me, I need to want what we're good people. I also don't get under-podcast, but I do with Sky and ITV. Jill, well, that includes writing. You know what? I've loved life after football, I really have. And I think I always said that I'm not someone that thinks too far ahead. I always just think, "Show up every day. It'd be nice to people and work hard." And that's why I used to think when I played football. And I've kind of took that on to, like, interlife after football. But. Are you the most successful women football player post-career? No. No, seriously, I'm absolutely. No, I think, seriously, about thinking about how you've handled post-career. What you do in the media, what you do in your sort of commercial stuff, what you've done on television, obviously, the jungle. Was time in you, Jill? Winning the euros, the jungle or lack of that little extra boost. Yeah, and I do feel very, like, lucky as well, because I was part of that euros squad, and then the jungle came along. And I've had some, like, really good opportunities, and I just feel, like, really grateful for that. I think when I played, I'm always someone. I've always had to be doing loads of stuff. So we opened the coffee shop. I was doing soccer camps, I was still doing talks from a very young age. And then, I think, then, when I've progressed out of it, I've still been able to cover that stuff on. So I think that did help. I would always say, don't just do one thing. If you're a footballer, you do find yourself having a bit more free time. Like, do something else with that time. But, yeah, I've really enjoyed it. You do take stuff on, though. You don't mind going at something. No. And just trying it and. And it's different for the women, because, obviously, women, even more so, have to look about, right, what I'm going to do when we finish in that. Yeah. I was petrified, even as a man. I was petrified about what I was doing. I didn't retire with any. I didn't have a lot of money in the bank or anything like that. But that never worried us, because I was like, I know I'll go and get a job. I'm not shy of working. One thing, probably, I could have done better in the beginning, was maybe balance, just being at home versus working. But, same as Roy, I'm so content now, family. Everything, I just feel so content. Love doing this with you guys. Feel very lucky. And you get lots of stuff, too, because, obviously, people like you. Yes. Likeable persons. That's where you're getting all of them. And you've got a personal. Yeah, thanks. That's what I thought was my luck. Jail Watson, but going back, that's that point. Who are the most successful ex-women football players we've gone on? Oh, you've got businesses, you've got commercial stuff, you've got media, you've got, obviously, other things in television, you've got. Who else? I'm trying to. I'm not. I'm actually not a trick question. Who else is going to endone what you've done? I've never really thought about it. I think there's obviously a lot of the girls that have gone into punditry. Like, you've got Stefan and Ellen White, Valor Williams, Alex Scott, like, who have really focused on that. So I don't know if I've just kind of. Somebody said to me, "When I'm tired, like, you'll have to pick one thing." And I was like, "But do you have to?" Or can you just. No, no, no. The thing is as well, Joe, is that, like, you're one of the first with the personality and the charisma coming from the lionesses, which don't brilliantly for us winning it and everything. That's got personality to go out there. So the rest. They're coming. So, especially that. When that group starts to get to retirement, we might see a lot more. Yeah, of course. And then probably. Yeah, because, like, I think that Jill's coming along perfectly. And the Jill has ended a great example of magic here. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. For all of you who look at you and go, "Listen, Jill can do it. There's opportunities out there." And then lionesses, they won something. They've done something. So they will get their chance. But, Jill, you said about, basically, you should have done one thing and done different things. I couldn't. I didn't know what I wanted to do. Yes, yeah. I didn't have a clue whether it ought to be a coach or a pundit or a generally thought, "Well, I should have to go for it because I didn't have a clue what to do." Yeah. And I think that was the same as well. Did you have an idea you were new, finished what you did? I tell you what happened for me is the television show came while I was still at Arsenal. How's your own television show? Yeah. The Friday night is all right. So I was thinking, "I knew I can't. I'm not going to coach. I ain't going to be able to coach. I've got the personality for it." I got the passion for it and I tried it. It didn't work for me. So I was thinking, "Well, what am I going to do?" It's going to have to be something personality-wise, TV-wise. And I remember I had to present top of the pops, and then I'd done that. And then, I got off, I TV offered me that. So I went into that and I was like, "This is what I've got to do." How much time did you present that? I must have done it at four or five times. I'm actually talking about the pops. That's him, isn't it? That is sort of the prince. What's his name, the fellow sang the Robin Hood song. Everything Adam. He's a really cool Chelsea fan. And then Prince done a lot of people, but then once they saw that I was okay. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to do this. I didn't know if I wanted to do that. And then five, like, I'd say 18 months into it. After signing deals and obviously the money's coming in and everything. I think I don't want to do this, I don't like this. I don't like what I do in the TV stuff, live stuff. I didn't like doing the TV stuff. Were you doing any sporting stuff, Dan? No, no. You know what, when I stuck the football went straight into like shiny floor to ITV entertainment shows. And then I've done that for about five, six, seven years and I was just getting more and more depressed doing that. Once I got back to, once I got into the football and really focused on doing it properly and reading it. Was that your idea, right, Tip? Yeah, I want to do RDS et you. Do you fancy doing a bit of this? No, no, no, no, because remember, it was at BBC, I was doing it first and Nile was the one who wanted me to do it, Nile Sloan. So I've done it for a while. Then I got in touch with the ITV entertainment side and then they saw something, they wanted me to do stuff. I was doing friends like these for BBC. Then I went out to ITV and I'd done the Friday nights all right, then I'd done the record, get his book a record show. And I was thinking, I'm showing different kind of sides. I don't remember any of this, do you? I remember it a little bit, yeah. But like the thing with it was, is that I'm doing it and I'm doing it together. So what was the first sport you've done? First sport I've done would have been one of the World Cup's 1998 was the first World Cup and I missed out on that. The BBC are ITV. That's for ITV, that's the first time I've worked for ITV. So when you do that, I got injured. I did Nile move to ITV then, though. And Nile moved from BBC to ITV later on. And when you said to do Nile, you got, this is better. Did you love the straightaway or were you something? What? Yeah, doing the football stuff. Yeah, because I felt, because then. So you knew what? There was so much, there was so much reading and stuff you had to do and, let's do that again. It wasn't natural for me. No, but right, you've brought that entertainment bit, though, into the football, like that personality you've brought, that you've probably benefited from that without knowing it, right? Well, hopefully I have, because I was so, I was so unhappy doing it. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. Roy, did you, you know when you obviously went into the management, then you went back to Punditry? Was there a time that you were going to go back into management or not? Yeah, there was a little moment, yeah. Well, it kind of did happen. I did, when I, after left Sunderland, I think I was doing a bit on ITV, then I went to Ipswich, and I came back out, then I went back in with Matt, with Ireland. So, at times, I wasn't kind of dipping in it out. Yeah, but this last, like. Well, the last few years, no, it was definitely, yeah, then you're, like, yeah, you're just kind of no going back now. But I still think, I always think, truthfully, when I'm doing deals, I usually do short term deals. I always think I'd be getting out of it soon. Really? Yeah, I never think I'm going to do this for three, four, five years. What's the thing for you, because I think, what's the thing for you that, because obviously as soon as you come into television, your voice is compelling. It's like it's, there's no one delivers like a phrase, or a sentence, or analysis like you. Was it a case that basically you felt coming into television was something that maybe, was almost like defeat, because you wanted to be a manager? Was that, was, did you think about that at one point, because. Do you know what I mean? I know exactly what you mean. So you're standards, you're standards, and you're sort of like. It might have been a bit of that, yeah. But I also appreciate the walk that, when I see other people doing the TV stuff, and pundits, and we're obviously different, we're all different, we give different opinions. No, there was definitely a power to me over the last few years. I feel, I don't know if it's an ego thing, I should be a manager somewhere. Yeah. So I feel like it had been a really good manager. Was you vex about it? So maybe there was a little bit up, but no, I wasn't sure, and I wasn't going to go, I should be a manager, because with power to me going, I'm also doing TV stuff, and I appreciate that walk, and like embrace it. But it was definitely something with me going, I should be, I definitely should be a manager somewhere. But I think that helps when I'm doing the games, because when I do go out to games, I do go and watch the games, and I'm passionate about the games, I don't, I certainly don't try not to go on. I can't believe I'm here, I'm like, no, I'm here, I'm going to do it properly. But you've lived like what, you know, Michael Carrick's going through, now I'll walk away. Oh, yeah, and I feel, and of course. It's just, it's a, it's a, I don't know, you call it the managerial circuit right now. I mean, it's kind of, it's a mess, it's a mess, it's a mess, it's a mess. But you said it before, you're working for people, you're probably going to sack you within six months or eight months or nine months. Your life's in there, but no, yeah, but it's not any more, thank God. I think when you're obviously in that managerial road, you are thinking, listen, two or three bad results, and you can be able to, you have the extreme highs, I had a Sunderland, you think, things are great, and then you go to the position, you're battling, and you can't get a result, and yeah, that's, that's a tough roller coaster. So I don't miss, I don't miss being on that roller coaster, but again, I just have this feeling that I could have been a really good manager, and I had little moments with Matt with Ireland, that was great. So I've had proper, really, unbelievable experiences, walking in prebuciable level, walking in the championship, walking in international level, so, so I also think that helps me with my punditry, is when I watch a match, it's obviously experienced being a player. I've got a right mix back to my opinion, it doesn't mean obviously it's, people have to agree with it. So, when I'm doing the TV stuff, and I'm going to game, again, do you want to mention that about, trying up on time, being polite to people, and giving your opinion. Yes. No, as we said before, a lot of people do a lot of talking and saying that, and I do like kind of skipping that side of it. You know, I don't, maybe I don't overanaly stuff, and I don't overthink it, but if I see something again, I like it, I don't like, I don't really mess around. Yeah. Good. Will you one more of these, Jill? Yeah, one, you pick. That's a lot better, let's see what we found, let's see what we need. Let me see, girl. It says being a captain, being a leader in the dressing room, there's one, dealing with foreign players, international players, dealing with young players, which one do we want? That's, I like all of that. Let's do it all, then. Being a captain's job, seeing your player in the dressing room, what did you do well, what didn't you do so well? Don't, so many people seem to get that wrong, don't they? What do you do? You know, when they get that leadership role, or they get the amban, I see all the sports, they seem to just. They go somewhere. They go somewhere, you're like. Is it what you got to their heads? I don't know, I think, I remember, when I got to Cappensy, you know, remember, when you get to Cappensy, you know, you don't apply for it. You don't, there's no thought. The manager pulled you in, go, do you want to be a captain? Deep down, you're not, listen, it's great that they think highly of you. But you also go, but don't, don't suck it and distracted by the fact you might be captain, that you're going to distract by your. The distractions, you know, it. I just think there could be. You see a lot of people get that role in their sack on down different odds with the media and they start thinking. I found it difficult for the first six months, eight months. More because of basically who I was replacing, really. Who was it? So, what was your problem? So, what was the problems that you. Was it too much for a sponsor? If everyone knew Rose, the captain. So, it's a case if you basically get given the captain's amban partway through a season and you're thinking, "I'm obviously not rocking, I'm fucking million miles from it on the pitch, I'm off the pitch." So, you're just thinking, "Fuck, how's this going to go?" And you feel like. You're fond of it to lead. Do I need to do something different and do I need to. And to fair, the only time I got peace, we won the Carabell Cup. That's where you're getting that, yeah, yeah. Was that what you're getting right? - It was where you were getting ready? - Yeah, yeah. And that was. That, that to fair. Because we won and we were on the podium, even though it was the lead cup. That was massive for that group. That group, it was massive. And I was a non-for-the-player, did I? I don't think Cristiano, I'd won a trophy before, I don't think. - Namania, Patriots. - Of course. So, a lot of them had won trophies before. And then the start of the next season, the football was like, "Oh, my God, it's unbelievable." It's like Lewis Harald was with. With Wazarin, we had Cristiano and Giggs Y. And it was like, "Oh, my God, that. " And I didn't have to do anything. So, I didn't do anything. Well, I was. The only thing I did, the only thing I did, differently than. Well, Roy was a. Fad different than I was. The only thing I did was when. And I asked, "Could we have music in the dressing room?" 'Cause the players wanted music in the dressing room. And it would never had music ever in my whole time. Well, that was the key for what you don't. Your leadership now. You didn't try and do too much. No, I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything different. Like, canton, a Brucey, Robo, they're all different captains. So, what you find, you find what walks for you. And again, when I was there, I don't very little now. Truthfully, yeah, well, I did. It's not going on this road of saying you don't. Yeah, you're a different personality. You're a different position and seat to me. But you don't start with the players, new players, and that. Oh, of course, yeah, you would do that as a senior player. That's not 'cause you got the am band down. We would have all been doing that. No, but I think we were the way you were in the training pitch every day. The way you were in the dressing room. Yeah, you were going to get us my point, but that's the way I was when I was a player. It was. Yeah, but the captain didn't change me, though, but I think from that moment, when it pre-99, when, show you, let's say you were captain, when was it '98? You became captain '98, did you? Oh, come on, sure. Your personality and character from '98, say to 2002, it developed enormously. You weren't a massive speaker, even as a captain, to be fair. You were definitely. You were different, but different, but it's needed. But I was thinking, yeah, it wasn't different in terms of that. That was the thing I trained that way, I don't think I. My whole point was, if your man's on people were a lot more, polls kept in sitting, you may be worried, now you know. That's just 'cause we were getting older, and your younger lad's coming soon, Ronaldo and Rune Aldi. So, yeah, you're going to tweak things. But again, that's my whole point. I look at certain people who get leaderships, and I don't mean just in football or whatever. They go down this road, you go, "What are you doing? Just focus." I saw an interviewer there, and all interviewer Tony Adams. I'm gone back, I think it was like back in the '90s. You've got an interviewer about Arsenal, or expectations at the club. We want to compete with him. Nice and simple, not dramatic about it. And I see other captains getting all a bit distracted by stuff. And what I used to argue, and what was a good and a bad thing for me, United, I was always looking after trying to look after the dressing room, not turning into a circus, keeping people away from the dressing room. We knew it was commitments during the week, but on a match day or for a training, I fell out with lots of people at United, you know, people come to the dressing room, getting jerseys, coaches, I'd be like, "No, this is. But those sorts of things were things that to be fair. They're the sort of things that you did post-cats into that you may not have done pre-cats. Ony, yeah, because obviously it was a bit younger. It's just your role as you get a bit older in the club, just like Giggs, and you were doing that when I was there. I think you don't have to be an amp. You don't have to have kept an amp. No, I'd be a leader. The thing I felt I did badly, but it's not right. But when I was injured towards the end and I was. I thought I found embarrassing. And it happens now. I see it sometimes, actually. And I think, "Oh, it's so awful." So when someone's playing all the time, let's say Giggs, he was captain on a village was captain, or Rio was captain, and then you come on for 15 minutes, and you run on the pitch, and then they pass you the amp amp. And I almost felt embarrassed, you know what I mean? Because they'd run over to you and give you the amp. I'd say, "No, go away." I think one game, I said, you know what I mean? I felt I didn't contribute in the last couple of years. I felt like I wasn't a captain, you know what I mean? And I remember, I actually offered him the caps and see up. So one pre-season, I think it was probably. Not the season before, I actually finished the season before that. I said, "Look, I can't keep that amp." I said, "Giggs is playing every week." "Vidditch, Ferdinand, Ronaldo, I think." They don't look at me as the captain anymore. I'm not playing, you know what I mean? And he told me to keep it, because he didn't want to give it to Vidditch because of Ferdinand, Ronaldo because of Rooney and vice versa. Because of the personality, he could just keep it. It's easy for me to rotate it between you and Giggs, and that was it. But I felt embarrassed at the end. But you must have had a still a big role. It's still a big role on the other side. Yeah, don't, but there's off the field stuff at United. I do tickets, bonuses, contracts for young lads, to his lads. And a lot of players don't want to do that stuff, and that's fine. What happens? As you're playing one, two, three hundred games, it comes your way, don't you? A young lad comes to see you. You have to try and help you. You're not going to say, "No, are you?" But deep down, you've gone, "I want to head away." It just comes your way. Even Christmas twos. You're going to organize a Christmas do for the families. Honestly, you've got a big game next to the family. We did now. We did lots of functions. I mean, wife would have bought me book places. I know you'd have a big game coming up, and you'd be like, "I don't have a distraction." But that is part of the role. Yeah, it is. It's a lot of pressure. It wouldn't be like that now, though. They'd have people in positions to sort that, I think. I don't know. I don't know. To sort that, I think. I told you, the best one ever. And sometimes they come back for it. Again, the United, the best one ever was sort of tickets out. I can't tell you the tickets stuff. You're not about winning football. Forget matches. That was easy. Right. I tell you, I gave pie just something. So I got the captain's handband, all of a sudden, the 51 tickets that you got, which was 17 times three. 17 wins squad. Actually, five subs, 11 players. Five subs, one in the squad. So you're like, "You have 17 lots of three tickets." Oh, brilliant. Right? No word of a lie. So I got there. I love these guys. You imagine me pre-match, right? I'm doing my quick feet. Me and Phil. I'm doing my quick feet, you know what I mean? So after about three weeks of being a captain, you know what I'm asking for tickets. I went, "Gigzy, gigzy." I can't fucking do this. And literally, "Gigzy looks after tickets." I never once was captain in tickets after the three weeks. I thought, "How the hell do you believe?" "How the hell do you do that?" "I'm telling you, you be going out of five to three." And I'd be on the phone to the ticket. I was trying to get tickets. Ten to three. Ten, that's a close one. I'll tell you, maybe left or right. I'll tell you, maybe an injury. Can you get it? There's two people outside now. There's not a player who's coming in. Got lads who might have been injured or suspended. They come and go, "Last minute." I've got two tickets. I'm playing them anyway. I just got here at a traffic. And you're on the phone trying to get tickets sent down. And you're like, "I don't want ten minutes to play." I used to see them. Wow. You see them on the phone in the corridor? Yeah, it was a phone. Asking for tickets. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Ready to go. I was bringing the phone with like this. We had sky sports news on the injury room. Players asking for tickets. The injured players would come into the dressing room. Yeah, last minute. Just talking. I used to have to go and sit in the toilet in the players lounge. Just focus sometimes. And just sit out the way if everyone had to just. Maybe it was a good distraction. Maybe it was one, two, four. You know what? You know what? It's not recommended. But when they look back, no, I do laugh in it. And because you look. You know what? They're all the lads used to you before me. And I remember one time pierced you. And I was a farthest pierced. He was doing the tickets. And the lad asked for tickets last minute. And I ended up being a bus stop. So when lads came to me with tickets and they were still. You do your best to help them off. Yeah, yeah. You never go, "No, no, no, you drink." Sometimes you go, "No, you can only get forward." You're sure. But the way the lads come up. And honestly, ten minutes. There was a phone on the card, you know, you'd be on it. And you'd be on it. All shots gone on it. You're kicking off in ten minutes. And you're shutting the tickets off for lads. It was mad. It was always one of the most prominent things in the dressing room when you got in was tickets. There's always players. You got to spare, you know, spare, you know. Yeah. I hate the tickets situation. And I always say to people, "If you not ask me by Thursday, Friday morning, the latest, do not bother me after that." No, I've not. I've not patiently disciplined for that type of thing. But I did because I used to do it to Eric and Robo and Brucey. You used to. Last minute. I'd be like, trying to. People come up to me last minute. Irish people, players. So I used to do. So when people come to me, I've done it. I've done it the previous time. I can't see anything I'd have to do with. So I always had a bit of tolerance for that. And I just thought it was pathogen. Do you know what, right? You're on a body of asthma, jerseys. It's like a tradition at United. It's like chaos. It's just like a TV or beyond. Harsh racing. God, I never lied to me like that. We've gone out in a minute, yeah. It's chaos. And then we got win. Yes. I'm a legal. I'm a legal. People not to be coming to the games. I know that sounds bad. I love like my family and that being in there. But when there wasn't anyone coming to the game, it was quite nice as well. You know, you have to be a match if you've got beat. Now you pick up and use your. No way. If someone offered me a million pound to go in the lounge, no way. No, I'd not go to the game some of the times. I'd never went in the lounge after the game. I used to basically straight after a match, go and get a shower, and I just couldn't wait to get in my car, my car park, and go home and have my Chinese. It changed a little bit when Fabian signed. Remember Fabian was going out with? What's on him? Linda Ravinjolista. We started going in there then, yeah. So he started driving? To make sure she was settling in. Just a little bit of aggression. And that's how he used to look after the party. Fabian, how many of you want that, man? (LAUGHTER) Is she any friend? No, I don't know. Boy! I did that out. I went to watch Oasis with Fabian. Well, not necessarily with them both. I went to a concert with me back. Fabian Barters and Linda Ravinjolista at the Apollo. Watching Oasis. I'm guessing she was Fabian Goodlucken. I'm stunning. I'm stunning. We're not the other players' wives, obviously. That's just horror. So you checked in with all of them? Yeah, all of them. I got a ticket. Right. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney Plus. We've got a thing here called Agnian. I don't know whether we're going to go on to this. We're going to carry on doing these. What's Agnian? Agnian is you ask. They answer. What's that mean? Yeah, getting advice off somebody. Is it. are these real things? Let's have a look. Let me ask you one. Right. Well, you'd be a good Agnian. Right. For Christmas, my mother-in-law is coming to stay. My wife won't tell me how long she's staying. In the past, she has stayed for nearly a month. How do I find out how long she's staying for? And how do I get her to leave after a week? Oh, my gosh. But Jill, I would invite my mother-in-law to live with us if that's what it needed to be. I don't have anything. My mother-in-law used to live with us. So, if you're thinking about wife, daughters, two daughters, immediate family, grandparents, they can stay at our house every day of their life if you want. I have no problem with that. Okay. Beyond that might be a bit of struggle. Yeah. But immediate. No, I'm no problem with that. But what about this one that wants to get rid of them after a week? We need to give advice. Why would you want to get rid of them after a week? I mean, I'd ask the question, why would you want to get rid of them after a week? You know what the thing is. Why wouldn't she let her know how long she's staying in the first place? You know, you're going to someone's house. No matter how tight you are, if you're going to the someone's house, you've got to let them know when you're leaving. You can't just like, it's just like, you're going to like that with your missies. Fucking sick. Yeah. Hey, what'd you fancy? You know, it's like, you'd especially if you don't want to take it through again. You're going to say something like, how long you stay because next week, so let's say they come on the Friday. You say, "Oh, Brennan, we're going to see you." Yeah, I stay as long as you want, but next week, next week Friday, we're actually, we've got to go up to Somerset. Somerset, I'll go down to Somerset or something. Yeah. I mean, you're more than welcome to stay for the week. And then you're just like, you're going to Somerset. So you think, lie. Well, I probably think that you should probably lie. But who has these mother-in-laws that they can't just be up in? Come on. How can you not be in, if it's your wife's mother, you have to get on with that person. I think she's a mother-in-law. No, I have to love her. I have to treat her as my mother. My mother-in-law is amazing, so she could stay as long as she wants. But she's 83. She's still doing so much stuff. I've got no choice. I can't fall out with that person. I've got to get on with that person. I wonder why I don't get on with them like that. But she's staying for a month. You know, just off the bat, girl. You've got to get close and everything. Maybe we've got to close to say this thing for a month. But he's staying for a month. So if the right in next week, and basically tell us why they don't get on them, we'll take care of them. My hair is starting to thing. Should I go to Turkey and get it done or shave a doll off? Do you know what? This is actually a problem for women too. My front bit is definitely. But mine's going here. Mine's going here. Look at your hair now. It's pulling just straight. I've started spraying. If you've seen them fibers, you can get it. You can get this thing and it just sprays a little of that fiber. I think he's going to. Well, it doesn't say. I'm guessing she'll get a doll off her, too. Yeah, shave it off, but I'm not going to tell you many different, am I? OK. I think I'd look horrendous with a bald head. You should try it. You don't look great as it is now. Fingers, guys. Because we're something that a friend spent a hat like you know, you know what you do right to get out of your heart for you I want this You know what I do yours your head small so small I'm gonna get carried on the eye Consume on AI a bald Gary Neville please We need a ball Gary Neville It's like a episode of what's that program you used to put the all right on the night Oh, yeah, I just love that. No, you're one. No. My one was called Friday nights. All right Yeah, it used to be one it was like it'll be all right on the night where things went wrong Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, right next one Jill Roy, I think you've done this a few times so I'm the best man at a wedding in the summer Any advice on writing the speech and public speaking should I write it myself or just rely on AI because if you don't Do AI for a best man's speech Tough I did I did back this when we're with the best man. I was best man. What's your? Yeah? With the best man you have to go into that place. You're the best man. You've been with him in places You've been tight. You've been close or any speech and any speeches. Yeah, I don't know the way I think that's the most pressure I've probably ever been the best my life back to man the best man at the goal well done I think I did a decent job I've got a copy of it 10-15 minutes. Oh my god I'm a man who went to United America. It's amazing. I'm telling you. It's a guy who works for his and Wilcox Oh, brother. Oh my brother. Yeah, you know something you look like all Like somebody who wants a fee for who's just been passed that's something that's gone wrong Yeah, go you look see you've got to keep you. Yeah, get it show Emma. Honestly, I'm telling you to be happy That's not right now. Now that looks good. I think yeah. Oh, no, that's definitely right Well, what's the what's the question? That's my speech. That's my speech. You said you don't know the best one. I did the decent I did a decent job. I think I told a good job We'd just beaten by a music in the championship league final So I told a rude joke that you wouldn't ever tell now like 27 years later You gotta tell us you gotta tell us because are you I heard about it? It's it's it's a bit uncouth Have you heard it? I said it's a great job. Do it? I said I said the spy skills once because the spy skills were all there Obviously, and I said the spy skills wanted the biome unit team to come tonight to the event and I asked sort of why it said because any man that can stay on top for 90 90 minutes and still come second. They wanted to meet I made that up myself. Yeah, didn't get a laugh like that. It was a comfortable laugh. It was laughing their heads off But yeah, but I don't I feel a bit sick saying it now, you know mean 2026, you know mean It's like a bit uncouth, but that back then the humor of like everyone thought was really funny. No, that is funny Yeah, but in respect of a best man's speech. He's just got to come from I feel a bit sick I feel a bit weird though. If he can it's got town. Yeah, that's the thing giving me advice, right? It's not uncouth, isn't it? It's not nice. I don't I've done my daughter's obviously the Father's speech a few months ago and I thought oh, okay, we're okay Whatever I give to you a little bit of steak or whatever and and at the end I went a drink to the and I said happy birthday to him No, oh, yeah, definitely no, yeah, I do know it. Yeah, happy birthday Yeah, to the happy couple happy birthday They come on, you know, it's not a birthday. I said I didn't realize I said I think it's a later on someone told me I went Don't get to speak your wedding. Yeah, why don't you make a joke about the bi-unic men's team on top I did get some I got a knock Well, I was right my speech with binoculars at the start. You know, it's here. So it's our Hampton That's actually Who's speaking your wedding? No one at the party you used to use a modern welcome Maybe we could just do with it. Oh, yeah, I like it So I'm gonna go for it when I don't I'm gonna have a few. I think we're not gonna do it. Can you have a dance? I was thinking oh here we go I don't just want you sat there all night with you get up and dance. Are you gonna have people keep coming around saying? I like watching people dance All right, so whoever do you know what I should do when people are dancing go over and people go Sit down So where do you go for the people sitting out to go get up and dance? No, if you go wrong to everybody's not dancing come over to me No problem, but don't just come off to me and go get up and dance. Okay. I'll go over to everyone just one dance I'm not dancing next one Jill you'll obsess with me dancing. You're a good dancer. I'm amazing dancer Yeah, only when you're next one, right? Right. This is probably for you out of out of all of us at the table I wish I was more fashionable But I worry my friends will take the piss. Do I just offer it and change my clothes all at once? So do I do a graduate? No, you don't do it gradually the thing is the friends are always saying if it's this Just go to my pants, right? It's just go to my pants. You know the thing is is that that's the people don't understand That's the massive problem for a lot of people whether they Whether I think it's funny or not It's what people say you're comfortable in it, obviously. But the thing is you don't get put in place It's not righty to stylist truthfully because he's from London, but if I'm from London everyone thinks they're cool to dress It's not. You are But the thing is is that you have to break through a phase of people digging you out Whether it's wearing this hat, wearing your glasses whatever it is you have to go through that If you have to be brave righty you do because like people you should have seen And this is why I said I'm going to wear these you're going to see more of these You should have seen the the franksman said the shit that was coming through Continually, are you the mind just because I'm wearing because I'm wearing a hat but a star. It's a beret Yeah, wearing a beret You know what I mean? And I made sure I got it so it comes on Just look at your face where you like like that go on a couple of weeks wanting to be something different More like the hat. You know what I was wearing you know the other hats I was wearing the docker's hats Oh, I love them I see they're really cool. They're a kid. You know, so I'm wearing those but I thought no, I just want to change Very very very when I was a kid. I could have aware that you can sort of pull that off I can't pull it off. Yeah, I'm not bothered if people figure out how to pull it off or not This is that's where the bravery is isn't it? Yeah, because that's where the bravery that's what I would say to the person Okay, it blasts through the shit you're going to get because you're gonna get it. Yeah, simple as that It's like Gary look wearing baggy pants now people digging you out say look at your baggy pants. Oh, you're giving it Take risks right to take risks wear baggy pants. Yeah, so be brave take risks get your baggy pants on I did it done right. I'm 42 and I've moved to a new area and I don't have many friends Logically, how do I make some your man or 42 do you don't get my party to us? I won't need to nearly 40. Do you need to make friends? I think so would like a man or woman that asking how do I make some? Is it a man or woman? It doesn't see do you know what you're thinking? Yeah, go into the local shops You could also go to the gym and maybe trust that training with people. Yeah, you could go to the shops You can go to a local pub maybe local restaurant or something like that You'll start to meet people naturally, but I wouldn't I the idea of having too many people in your life and having people all Yeah, I love chatting to people. You know if I go for a coffee You're at the shop, Jill. If I'm in London, I'll sit and I'll just go Are you having a good day and I just have the most random conversations? I could see you living in would you live in London? I like to I am there quite a bit, but I do like to be in for a few days and then yeah Well, but I do love London. I love it. I love the hustle bustle. I always just walk around like I love it Yeah, arrangements to eat at coffee shops and then you're not there. Yeah No, you went to the coffee shop and you didn't tell us we did no I went to the wrong one. I told you the night before Yeah, the night before Shelly was there. Yeah, as I was on a train to London It was like breakfast waiting for you to get on the train for yeah, no exactly Community questions. Oh, no, I keep one with us. I get it. How many more forgot one more do one more then we'll finish Okay, I'm having a good time. I'm just gonna get in the car before Just ask questions Right, I like a city break, but my husband wants to go away to a beach. How should we decide what to take them to the city? What do you like what time of year is it? Yeah, because I suppose there's a beach. It'll be some moment Um, I'd go to the beach in the summer and sit in the winter I mean that's the easiest thing. Is that a serious question? It's not even a hard question. Oh, oh, I get I've got a great answer Well, if you do the opposite, why do we go to a city with the beach Barcelona Barcelona Singapore those types of places? It's a kind of question. God, they work that out. I'm so you can go to places that I've got you did valencia He would never have seven weeks And he's real questions and someone really just something valencia is one of the most beautiful places I went make it work and you've got basically strunch yet Go to a city with a beach and be serious. How is the football doing in valencia these days? Where are they in the table? No, they are right. No actually The table no, they're not here much about them. Oh second bottom pal They've never quite recovered This is why I'm worried for you knight. Yeah, um knight. They would never My two-year-old is struggling to sleep. Do you have any tips for getting her asleep? Well, I looked after my nephew for two nights Yesterday in the night before 18 months old and Literally, I just put them in the bed with us and he slept for 12 hours Why did you talk about your career? Yeah, that's exactly what I did. I was like let's talk No, he was so cute. I just put 18 months. I just put him down. He cuddled this toy then he grabbed my hand and he just went He felt the love he felt they feel it. Oh, honestly, they feel it. So I don't know When you said yeah, but the thing with a two-year-old, as you know, you have to have a routine leading into that. If they haven't got a routine leading into that, then they're just not. They're just going to think that it's play time and mess around time. Yeah. You have to get them and say you've got to go to bed now. Put them in the bed, make them stay in the bed. Not when I'm coming to the bedroom, otherwise they won't leave until they're fucking 12. So you've got to put them in the bed and you've got to let them understand this is where you sleep. And so when they wake up, which they'll do a few nights, they'll do that, then you go back in and you let them know to the really upside. Yeah, I don't want them to take them off for a bit of fresh air if you can. But then you let them understand this is your place of sleep. That's what you've got to do. It's very difficult because you feel so firm because you're crying and they want you. You've got to get past that, otherwise they're going to cause your problems. We'd be good at any hands, won't we? Yeah, I think we should do that, isn't it? Ah, Monica. Hey, to how Monica, oh. Could you imagine getting them out of my house? Yeah, you play the whole Monica. You get it Roy. Yeah, I just have a little mess with it. When you're grandkids, right? I have a little bit of Bruce Springsteen plays that. Oh, it's a pub, doesn't it? A pub, doesn't it? Think of it, just say him. Steve, you want to play it? What about Steve? A little bit. Yeah, but Steve, you want to play it as well. He's on tour and he's. A little sound. You said you've seen him, haven't you? I have seen him. It was a tough one. You know what? Because you wanted the stuff, the reals. He's top stuff and he was giving us other kind of. And we got good news. He's retired from Gun on Tourney. Rod Stewart. What good news, that is. Wow. Don't worry. It's about 20 years ago. He's a little. Absolutely. He's a little. He's a little. I heard that in the last three years. He's waiting for three years to have a gut run. Wow. I already stopped touring. I'm like, "I'm in the car screaming." Yes. Wow. That's right. I can go to more Celtic games. I remember going to. I remember seeing him at Wembley once and who? Rod Stewart. I'm sure. And I remember, I'm thinking to myself, "Is that a touch?" He just starts singing a couple of lines. Everyone sings the song for him. It's a great gig, isn't it? It's amazing gig. He's kicking footballs into the crowd and everything. Why, yeah, was that right? You've gone back donkey. Oh, yeah, man. I went back to. I went to see Rod Stewart. He's ten years younger. Like, he was. He was good. His voice. I love his voice, Brennan. Yeah, it's very 50 years ago. 50 years ago. We were good players, 30 years ago. Well, any more, are we? How old is he now? Some say he's got to let it go. He's got to beat. Oh, he's 80 something. Ah, I'm gonna say 112. That one, man. Hey. He's 81. 81. He's done well. He's an ox's retirement. He's done well. From touring. I remember. He did cancer by 60 gigs in the last two years. And normally it wasn't for you, don't worry. Jesus! Let's go, let's go, Roy's got none. Oh, no, I didn't. Next 90s, I had a Scott in the match. That's my point. Forget the people who have traveled thousands of miles. But this is naggy out, naggy out. This is one here. It's one here. I'm 81. World New Year. World New Year. I'm 65 years. No, stop. I'm 81. I have skinny jeans. When should I start wearing skinny jeans, Rod? Oh, Tottie. I was gonna go par. It was. Don't show your chest with me. Yeah. It's the one called by boots. Leave him. Leave him. Right? Well, on that note. We always finish on that note, won't we? I love that. It's a naggy out. I was gonna pick one. Yeah. Well done, everybody. Well done, well done. We didn't need no guests yet. What a great set of Agony Ants we are. Well, I've really enjoyed that. This has been a global and the overlap production. [Music] Thanks to our title sponsors, Disney Plus. We'll see you next time.