Round 5 LIVE: Captains & Trade Targets

Get it and welcome to the ball boys AFL fantasy live show on your Friday evening getting ready for round five it is gather round and it is back to best 22 you're listening to the ball boys let's go and welcome again to the ball boys AFL fantasy live show on your Friday afternoon I'm your host Mitch Casey and you can find me on Twitter at ball boys fantasy and I'm joined by Luke Rodgers and as always how are you mate? I enjoy your week off on holidays your hard work and underpaid teacher you are overworked and underpaid it is mate yeah my about teachers all across Australia overworked and underpaid and more holidays yeah come our way more holidays you don't get enough I can imagine that's a popular opinion out there I'd imagine a lot of people want to see teachers get more holidays so yeah I can't see why not but surely with all this extra free time you've had this week you you've been able to come through with some excellent advice and some some good trades for yourself and advice for the people out there to help with their fans teams no mate the poor advice has got nothing to do with time I just have poor advice I'm here to look good you're here for the good advice no no no you're good at weight you're you're ranked ahead of me so one point one point right ahead of me so at the moment you are the better coach so we'll have to hit your advice you look good in my review Mariam mate oh mate okay all right open the door for you don't you got my desk you all try through it okay here we go mate we we had a big game last night good game to watch we had what do we have the aloe crows lost the second on the trot it's good start together and gelong gelong got the w and not without the weekly gelong shenanigans that we saw the the illness just something they've got to they've got to source something out there of the gelong because every week it seems it's someone just seems to be getting sick on game day it's an epidemic this time it was Tom Stewart that fell victim to a so a bit of illness gastro apparently laid out well it's not only him who had the shits because it's fantasy coaches too these laid outs for gelong are not doing wonders for us I think it's what's the starts four out of five weeks now that they've had a laid out I think it might it be every week well yeah nearly a rig maybe round one they didn't but yeah they're all fantasy relevant players too or fantasy relevant pieces yeah impact fantasy relevant players so gelong sorted out yeah and it's like okay maybe this time Stewart was sick but it's like the boy who cried wolf you know I mean just you just each week you keep doing it you just like give me a break these guys I saw your tweet you got your tinful hat on it's conspiracy isn't yeah yeah I don't know but it's it's something that did you work out if you flew to Adelaide or not oh people telling me that he did yeah he was doing interviews and stuff and yeah it was over there so that tells me that I think he is genuinely sick but somebody slips like just of course it's gelong of course it's gelong how about my boy oh he maxi homes after I told everyone to trade him in last week he came out and got tagged within an inch of his life to where he scored 67 yeah and then he comes out and redeems himself with his career high AFL fantasy score with 133 and over the last two weeks is average 100 yeah you're not normally one to to feel bad for other people but I think I think that's just that oral I think last week you actually genuinely felt a little bit bad recommending homes but I think most people could see that the Melbourne tag was was unfortunate and vindication yeah I felt a little bit after seeing zorco go crap you know like he and zorco basically were 10 points difference in the end and so that's a little bit better but yeah just watching that tag last week I was like where the fuck does come from so it's good to see that he he bounced back and rewarded us and he tackles man when he tackles he's scoring big so hopefully he's keep avoiding some more tags that would be nice and a someone who could have been a laid out yesterday yeah but wasn't Isaac Rankin did us all proud especially finished the game really really strong tough made heat he'd play with gastroiric I reckon you just got a hope he's not the away team in the white shorts yeah yeah watch that and make sure make sure that they sub someone else out before three quarter time he's so he doesn't get that rest and then not too far in front there's a few there's a few things that we need to wait and see on with rank and but the last quarter was where he got it done so we're looking at three quarter time he's fine his talk was a little bit down throughout the game but when it was winning time he said no no no no I'm gonna I'm gonna be out there and I think he did his best to put the cross on his shoulders just not enough people went with him I don't think yeah I think he hopefully fingers crossed you know they they had a short turn around this time around they'll have a bit of a longer break between this round and next round so hopefully he is all good and won't miss any more time barely Smith got it done not too many marks and tackles this one but just always just absolutely never never gives in that that bloke what do you have 35 touches 24 kicks 11 marks kicked a goal only 102 because he only had the one mark you see the best player the night yeah and he flipped off the crowd at the end top of 1500 dollar fine for that I heard that the the cross fans might have been talking to danger field maker said yeah off the skipper's back which I like yeah I like that no yeah and he's he's been interviewed about it he's like yeah you know stared him down with his guy liner and just go and just go on a bird you got a theory about this we've got his guy his eyes are popping recently yeah I was gonna look at the Instagram man yeah little verdict from everyone out there tell me if Bailey Smith is is donning the guy liner each week because he's always a lot of these shots but he's always a lot of yeah good look at rooster yeah right Sam beconing yes right was on the wall when we saw big blitz blitz come in and no rockman go out that he was going to play a basically full time half back or a half back full back he did look 56 it's it's not great but it's not disaster his break even I think was very close yeah so he's just about hit his break even which I think is so go back like a little bit of cash but it's more than you can ask for given the circumstance especially if you were forced to hold with other bullets elsewhere so I held did you hold yes you did in the end he's on the bench so yeah we are looped him in terms of their got the emergency but I think I'm gonna roll with somebody other rookies in that case yeah but Dawson owners Bailey Smith owners anyone who went to VC on some of those options probably not taking those scores so again shout out to the big boys okay we'll get Dawson wasn't in the top 10 I think barely Smith might have been 10th okay so you're reading well mate you're seeing it like beach balls I'm reading well look hi I didn't if I didn't have to take that brace your score in round one like I've got a 130 VC or my VC is a bit average 130 plus so just bloody uh boydy fucks me over by playing that round one side but anyway let's talk about the rest of the team so we've got a couple of things going on so Finno Sullivan he's back in he was back sick last week he's fully sick this week yeah he's back in the side let's go uh George Wardlaw you said George Wardlaw was the out because I I and you I'll give this to you you wrote the notes in this one but I thought I saw him in but then he's what back out well go check it out you got a you got a fact check in mate I'm not a details man like yeah no no he's yeah no big details man over here uh yeah he's not in I think maybe I saw that online somewhere that he was going to be in but no well be the opposite of in out yeah I got it so he's out uh Tim Kelly yeah bit of a bit of a message just a little mini McWalter flickeroonie yeah throw him down the axe I don't want it so he's been chopped it's gross for gross it's gross gross gross gross gross you hold on to this grass thing yeah yeah um yes it is I think it does does both well for him um both really well I think for the Carlton midfielders and basically any Carlton player there so we'll talk about some of those guys potentially in the big boys big boydy Harry Boyd has been named to the extended bench now we're gonna actually you know what I'm gonna skip ahead I'm gonna go rogue and we're gonna skip ahead and look at this here he's not in yet it's extended so he he is currently an emergency he was an initially ruled out before this but it just makes you a little bit more nervous because killer has been named out yeah jack feel is in now they play out in Norwood oval so very narrow ground but we're gonna anticipate more stoppages I can't kind of quite easier for a rockman to get around then yeah this is what I couldn't quite get my head around is is whether they view that as more stoppages maybe requiring a second rockman just to deal with some of that physicality but then overall there's gonna be less running you're gonna cover less distance so you're gonna be fresher so I don't know if this is maybe just like a little bit of an insurance policy and we're not actually gonna see it but you're right it makes us more nervous especially because we're we're best 22 now so there's not just these free loops getting around like we've had over the last couple of weeks yeah and the other thing so in the that Sunday squad you do have hasty max hall and Garcia still in the side so I guess that's good from a cash standpoint of you but you know especially someone like hasty you know you're more likely gonna be the sub again and then boyd is that emergency so Tim English for example plays very early. I know the North Kangaroos are playing the first game on Saturday so Sherry's going to be playing early. When does Max play? Max plays on the Saturday night so if you're going to do a little bit of loop action through your, through your Ruck line you're going to have to make that call before Sunday. So you're going to be going into it a little bit blind whether or not Boyd is a late in or not. It makes me nervous. What do we do about the situation? I think if you can avoid using the Ruck line as your loop option I would explore that. Good coaches that have law. That are a point ahead of bad coaches that don't. So he's also out. Is that some of the names? Might be able to use him as a little bit of a loop. So he'd be great this week. Which one don't play until the first game Sunday as well. So you're going to get a look at some of your VC options. Just make sure that you look around and make sure that you know who else is playing because you're going to have to do some switcher rune. You don't want to be caught by surprise but he could certainly be an option. Camp Riali not so much an option because I think we'd all agree that he probably plays unless you were anticipating a good score from a Dawson last night. He obviously plays before a lot of the other good options. So maybe some people with some options there. If you've got Boyd I think it's really tough because it would be disaster. I don't think you're re-shopping. Maybe he comes in late in. No, I don't think you're re-shopping to get a red dot in. No. I'm more thinking do you if Boyd is your only access to a loop. Do you forget the VC and just go straight whack the C on someone? Well, you've we'll get to the big boys in a second but you've kind of flipped a little bit on the number of the one and two. So that tells me that you don't think there's too much separating them. So I think you could still put a VC on just see how that plays out. Hope for the best. The thing is as well though and like some of the good matchups like that Richmond dock as matchups then it's well there's going to be some players in that the top five. That will be starting before you know the final changes for the St. Kilda and Giants game. And there's not too many captain options in the St. Cyan's games or the port Hall for one game. So you really if there is a late in you really up the creek. You could be in that point. Yeah. So the Wangwen 120 plus at Norwood last year I know it was against the tie. It was against the tie and you would anticipate less space is less good for a player like Wang. The other thing about that as well as if you're rucks on the bench you're not going to get that rucks score. So like the English the Sherry the the max score that's that's now long. Before we don't know before we get too deep in this couple of bits and pieces from team reactions obviously nods out we knew that earlier in the week but Hayden Young. Oh boy. The flowing months. The flowing top dot. So we record a podcast for the patrons doing the Q&A but we haven't recorded something for the rest of the public out there detailing our reactions but this sucks Luke this really fucking sucks. We love Hayden Young. Hayden Young what do you say? I said Hayden Young's back. Oh sorry I thought you said will days out. Oh you're all about yourself. Oh my bad. I'll skip it as the last dot point. You don't even listen to what I'm saying. No I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Looking at you. Hayden Young is back. Yeah. Well okay Hayden Young is that good or bad for Caleb Sarong and Brayshore. I think we saw enough sample size last year to suggest that it's not going to knock him about too much like Brayshore finished the year really well. Obviously I think Sarong started the year better than he finished last year but well little theory here is that okay please is that it could be really good for a play like Brayshore. He loves those little 45 kicks. I think maybe one of the issues is the players can't actually execute or not confident enough to kick it to him. You think Hayden Young is. He'll back himself in and he'll hit that ball. So just one more player out there that's confident enough to make that little inside kick. I reckon that might give you a couple marks extra on Brayshore. I'll get on board mate. Do you really want to talk about Will Day or? Yeah I want to get this off my chest. Okay. Again. Look at Sucks. I think the logic was there to hold him. I feel bad because I was championing that strategy and obviously with hindsight now it was the wrong way to go. We all should have traded him. You know couple weeks before the tag or the supposed tag game was coming. But I think the logic was there. This is just terrible timing. Even if he just did it a week before you wouldn't have held him through his buy. I held him last week. I had a premium. I had 800,000 on my bench last week that I could have used. So Sucks. It's bad timing but I don't think it's not necessarily a poor reflection on the rationale to hold him. You weren't alone. Other good coaches did the same. I think I'm going to give this guy a shout out. But I'm pretty sure that Minimunk who's lurking around in the comments. I think he held Will Day as well. I think he did. I think DZ Lemon held him as well. So yeah. Do you guys think he's there? Speaking of, Minimunk, I think we need to get him on the payroll because he's doing God's work and answering questions in the comments. We will get to as many questions as we can. Send your questions in guys. We'll see how much time we have after Mitch goes through his sob story but we will get some questions but thank you to Minimunk for answering some there as well. Now that's the sob story. That's all I wanted to say is that it sucks. It's bad luck but I think the logic was there to hold him but you've got to deal with it. So because he is pretty much out for the season almost, at least out for the most of the fantasy season now. So any other takeaways from the five o'clock Sunday teams? Let's have a little look see here. I think it was just the saints that I was really interested in. Xavier Lindsay Saturday. Okay. Nothing else. Hey, young is confirmed. And Sean Darcy back is in. Which did affect the big boys. There was a name curve us in the top five. He's no longer there. Luke Jackson owners were helped by the fact that he got injured in the air. Luke Jackson out confirmed. The Luke Jackson's out. He's out of the net. So that's how he's kind of that kind of coincided recently. Well, you didn't have to make sure. So Sean does he's in but not Liam. Really Liam. Really is an emergency. You're going to have Sean Darcy hold down the rock on there. Which is interesting because I think they mentioned before that he was unlucky to play. But James Whirpool back in. So not chops, but he's in and Logan Evans has been omitted for the poor Adelaide power. So interesting. Interesting one there. But our boy, Mariah Rasmus has held his spot with Tom Cochran and Travis Boe coming back into the side. And Darcy Ben Jones also suspended. So nothing to major there. Yeah. The rest is pretty much unscathed. So just a watch on that St. Kilda bench, which seems to be the watch every week when it comes there. They're always in cash. Brilliant. Mate, are you ready to talk to me about some large gentlemen? Let's do it. I need a big boy. Give me a big boy. Woo! Let's go around five. My brother Tom and I. You going to get. Yeah, yeah. You got to gather around big boys. I feel like this is a juicy round for for targets. I think that there's a good seven or eight really good options. We're going to give you guys the top five in a moment. But if you want the full top 10, which I do announce on Thursday afternoon before the Thursday night game, you can head over to patreon.com/ballboys to get the extended list of all the options as well as I'll give you my top 10 and then a few honorable mentions. And I sort of detail the reason why I'm putting these guys where they are sort of a bit about the opponents they're versing and a bit of a predicted range on what I think they can score as well. So patreon.com/ballboys. But number one, I've got a lot of a lot of boys, but this is my guy from this year. Actually, two of my guys are the top two here. So Tom Deconing comes in at number one on the big boys this year. I have used him a couple of times already as a VC this season. He's done me proud. And he comes up against the easiest matchups for rockman in the competition. And he's already going 112. Put it slightly downscore last week in an 82, I want to say, but that was a much tougher matchup. So I think he bounces right back and feasts on the Eagles. Wish he was playing it in all would that be good. Yeah, he is playing on Adelaide Oval. I think it'd be good. I think the thing about the Eagles is they give up, I think the second most disposal of any club or second or third most disposal of the top my head. And they also give up the most amount of hit outs to rockman. So when TDK is getting his disposal, that's when he's at his best. And the the hit outs just provide that really high level of safety in terms of a really good floor. And Carlton have still got to put the foot down. They haven't won a game yet. Yeah. So they can't afford to be cruising and co-sing. So they'll be they'll be going full strap. Number two, and this is that little switcheroo that happened. I just yesterday changed change one one a little bit. This guy was at number one, but I push him down to number two. That is Andrew Brayshaw against the Tigers. Tigers still the best match up in fantasy 40 bar none. Zorko didn't get it done last week, but there was a lot of scoring still around. So McCleggage went 140 plus. Dunkley I think went 118. Neil went 115. Will Ashroff toned up as well. So all the midfields went big. Brayshaw I think has the chance to do that. And hopefully he can get his marks. Yeah, even though even though Frio's marks it down, you'd have to imagine that against Richmond, that's just going to be an absolute buffet for him. Please, please up the barossa. So I think this is a new hopefully not the ones per game. Yeah, hopefully that's the case, but I think I don't know if We've got too much data on the barossa oval. So I was trying to do a little bit of research from what I can tell it's a wide-ish ground. It'd be more open, so if anyone, if you're at Gather Round, Adelaide, let us know is it windy down there at the moment? And you know if it's gonna be windy on Sunday, but I think you'll go good regardless. And yeah, shoot shouldn't have a bit of a ceiling score. Number three, Harry Sheezle. Now, if I could guarantee you that Harry Sheezle was gonna stay on half-back, which he played last week, if he was gonna stay at half-back, he would potentially be number one on the big boys. Little bit of doubt on that role. Move them down to number three, because half-backs, Golko's give up a shit ton to half-backs. They do all right for midfielders as well, but it's even better for half-backs and obviously Harry Sheezle himself is just an absolute gun of half-back. - He's a weapon. - Here's another three. - Before you get to four, mate, I think we gotta pause the big boys, 'cause Sir Hales jumped in with a super chat. And simply to wish us all a good weekend. So on vacation in South Africa, and all nice vacation. - All we can think about is fantasy. So if I was in South Africa, I'd be parking the team. You'd be on assistant coach duties, but wishes everyone good luck for the weekend. So what do you mean? - Oh, thank you. That's very, very kind of you. And I hope you enjoy your South African holiday, mate. It sounds probably where I'd rather be than little Brisbane, you know. - I appreciate that very much, so. - Yeah, thank you, mate. Number four, I've got Zach Merritt coming in against Melbourne. I'm predicting they don't persist with that tag that they did last week. That a small flag there. But this is a great matchup for Merritt, who I think is one of the safest players going around. And at number five, I've got Caleb Sarong, Rachel's teammate in the same matchup. Doesn't rely as much on the marks, collected like 37 touches was something last week. I think his ceiling is maybe a little bit less than, than Rachel, but as far as basically his highs, anyone. So I think from Merritt Sarong had a massive game, at least once against Rachel and her last show, I don't think they played him twice, but I think they had like a 120 or something like that. So yeah, I think that's, I like a lot of those top fives. There's a few guys in the next bracket as well that I also like. But I think especially those top three, how'd to go wrong with any of those guys. And three fairly high players, especially brace a lot of people trading in this week. So yeah, few options. Beautiful, mate. So that is it. I'm going to be VC or maybe Shuk and the Sea straight on Tom DeConey. I have to see how nervous I feel about the Harry Boy thing. Yeah, well, like I said, you wouldn't be in that position if you had lower mate, but that's just reserved. Just a bad coach. Reserve for the good coaches. You want to do some spicy stuff? Yeah, let's spice it takes. Oh, you're turning my light off the clock. Can't forget your props, mate. You can be the reach around and turn my light off. Yeah, just sneaky reach around on air. Can I have both the first up? You do. You went first last week. So I'm going to go first this week. My spicy take and make sure that you guys get yours in the comments as well. See what, see what everyone's pretty. Remember, spice takes, they can be optimistic. They can be a bit of hopeful takes. They can even be unrelated to footy. We don't care. Spice as they come. Now, if you had a look at the thumbnail for the live show, you might have seen that I was doing a little bit of cosplay as Riley Bice. You wish your mowers as good as his. I wish my hair was as erect. I wish my mower was as luscious. I wish I was Riley Bice. And Bice is nice. Bice is very nice. And my spicy take is that he's going to turn up tonight. They was talking about the broadcast last night. Do you tag him? Which I thought was crazy. I think we were putting that up before the horse. Yeah, a third game. But mate, he looked good last week. And I don't even mean like, oh, he's a rookie and he scored well. He looked good. Some of the kicks he was fighting off, there was one where he was running kind of perpendicular to the goals. And just a little bit of, how's your father around the corner, sideways action, boots, inside, hit a target, no drama. How's your father? Got you, uncle. All of the other. Yeah, everyone, all the family. Yeah, no, I like that. What do you think of his spicy? That's pretty spicy. Not many back to backtons from real life. I just hope he doesn't steal too many points of Matt Roberts. I think mine's on the peri-peri-scale. This is extra hot. This will not just happen. This will happen. Joel Frazier. Oh no. He is going to remember how the football-- and he's going to give us one of those tongues that he put up in round one-- that all the people who started him got to enjoy and asked idiots who traded him in, asked around one. Still waiting for, he's going to give it to us this weekend playing on Norwood Oval. So it's just high-scoring ground. He's going to give us one of those nice juicy tongues and those people who are forced to hold with the injuries. Gonna get rewarded. That's the little spicy take. Will you? Couple of spicy takes in the comments. Someone's predicted to cherry a laid out. Willak. Willak. No, we don't wish injuries upon him. No, we want him to manage the injury well. He's already in jail. We just want him to look after himself, right? Yeah. Spicy take. More of an economic spicy take. Taros on a thing, but they had to be here. They seem to be. In Austria, life is not just about saying that, you know what, you're doing. Life is about wellness fairies with sexual albony. Smoky wanders or cycle fairies. And fairies are about to be the ones who are the most successful parrots of the whole family. No, yeah. And then, you're doing fantastic ski fairies. Mark Liebenskiffel, Austria, Pungstrom, info. I'm going to go and pull all the time. Get in at the bottom of the market. You hit bottom of the market. Hey, just like fantasy, you know, underpriced. Hey, mate, value. It will be millionaires by the end of the year. All right. We're going to the Newcomme scores in '85 this week, but then goes on to average 120 of the next five rounds. This is the spice take from this is the. This is the Hawthorne great run that you were holding in the 120. No, absolutely. It could happen. It could certainly happen. All right. Drop in any questions. Are you guys have four of this round or anything else you want to, you want to have a chat about Matt's talking about the Bergman going 130. He's been good. And you should tell everyone you're welcome, right? The iceberg. The iceberg. You're born. Iced in my veins. Ice cold takes. Yeah. No, it's white steak. Ice cold take. Hey, I. No, I wasn't looking confident on this one first couple of weeks, but he's come good. He has come good and now Bergman's out one more defender just, you know, out of the way. Sorry, Evans. What do I say? Yeah, Bergman's still in. It's got me talking about. Yeah. All right. Let's get some questions here, Luke. Drop some questions in the comments below guys. We'll get to as many as we can. If you drop a super chat, we'll get to those ones as a priority. But let's see how we go. All right. What have we got? Okay. James, good question here. So already have boss. Beautiful. Locked on Nord to Ashcroft. Which trade is a better second trade? Would you do Callahan to Toronto or would you do Fraser Crane via DPP to marriage or any rooks? What's the go with Callahan? Because he was someone I never really believed in until one week I felt a little bit weak and sort of suggested him as a potential trade option. But since then, he's gone crap, crap. The thing that we kind of see with Callahan and have somewhat anticipated is that he doesn't have the tackle and mark numbers that provide players with that really high floor that we typically like. So I think that's kind of what we're seeing if he's able to. There's a horn for answers, I reckon. Like just there's a little bit of that. There's a little bit of that as well. But I think that it's the issue is that he's not going to sort of average the four marks, four tackles kind of thing. And then I think that's going to be where you see those floor scores, unfortunately. So in James's particular instance, would you do Callahan to, I forgot who James mentioned to, Callahan to Toronto or would you get rid of Fraser and go down to America? I know my spice takes that Fraser is going to tell him out this week. It's spicy because it's very easy because it's like I sucks. I think I'd be getting rid of Fraser. Tony says, "Wolsh or green for nod?" I'm pretty clear cut on this one. And for me, it's green. Wolsh obviously we saw the big score from last weekend. But if you go back and have a look, I think I had a start on Wednesday night where over the last 13 games were saying Wolsh has only tund up maybe three times, including the weekend. And then you go back and look at 13 games before that. And there was only twice that he dropped under a time. So it kind of coincided with Carlton starting to play poorly at the end of last year. So it's kind of, Sam Wolsh is a bet on whether you think Carlton's going to get their shit together. And the way it's looking at the moment, I can't back it. Despite them having the Eagles this week. Yeah, they've got the Eagles. Then they've got North. So they've got two couple games. But after that, they go Jolong, Adelaide, St. Kilda, Sydney Giants. Like I'm thinking there's a chance he gets taged from Jolong. St. Kilda, Windhager could go to him. James Jordan the week after. Bed for the week after that. You could have four tags in five rounds from rounds seven to his bar and round 12. So you got green as well. I'm probably going Tom Green. I'll just have people confident in the team and just him as a safer bet. Okay, peak mentality has got a spicy take, but we'll use it as an opportunity to discuss this player. Josh Ward will average 90 for the next six weeks and make big money. So two things here, obviously, will day being out with anticipating Ward more midfield time and a good run coming up. Can you get behind peak mentality spicy tape? Do you think it's something that could happen? It could happen. It definitely could happen. It's not a pick I would jump on this week. It would be a next week play if you're going to go. there. I'd want to see good CBA numbers. And if you can score, if you can score like 80s, this week against Port Adelaide, then I would have a higher level of confidence to trade in him for that five game run against Jolong West Coast Richmond Melbourne and the Gold Coast Suns. But not on this week, I think there's too much risk. Okay. DeathMater says who gets the windy tag this week? So they play GWS from memory. Am I right in? Yes. At Norwood. So is it Green that gets the tag? Cullhand that gets the tag. Could they tag Locky Whitfield? They could. I don't know if they will. They could. Windhaker hasn't tagged a half back before. I don't know. I think he has. I'm going to say that he does try to go to Tom Green, but then they switch it. Tom Green, I think is the harder tag option. Callahan, I think you can actually have a bit more influence on him. Windhaker is a running machine, but he's not built like Tom Green. So you know, I built physically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just built different. Yeah. So I think it makes more sense to go Callahan. But I'm not sure. I'm just saying that because that was the last tag from the Hawthorne matchup. What do you think? Yeah. These are these are tough ones because sometimes it can depend on just how that opposite or how St. Kilda's coach in this case, Ross line views GWS and who he views is obviously important to their structure and ball movement. I'd say based on the form at the start of the year, I'd say Callahan's been like more outwardly damaging. But then some coaches will rate what Tom Green does high and Callahan because he's at the source. He's winning at his taking the ball from inside to out. So so far they've tagged homes. They tagged Toronto, weirdly enough. Don't know why. And then last week, did they tag Rosie? Yeah. Yeah. I definitely early days. I don't know if they let it off. I didn't watch that game. But Rosie started scoring a little bit better as it was. Does that tell you anything in terms of like the type of player that those guys are and who's going to go to? Like I would say homes and Rosie, you're definitely more Callahan types. Yes. Correct. Toronto. That's beyond me why they tagged him. I mean, maybe there's just no other option really there. Yeah. Let's keep moving because we've got a couple more super chats. Sam, Sam had a super chat there. But retracted took that message back. So if you want to pop it back in there, Sam, we can answer your question. For sure. Thank you, Sam. Anyway, super chat. We definitely appreciate that. We'll move down to the next super chat here. So one shot kid says thoughts on Frazier down to a rook at D8. I'll have two of bias trainer and read on the field. Okay. Who would be the best rookie to bring in? So Frazier down to a rookie giving two rookies on field and defense. Yeah. Look, I don't mind it. I think the rookies and defend. So probably some of our better rooks at the moment. So I think it's definitely an option. I'll be doing something similar except I'll be holding Frazier. So I'll be having two rookies and Frazier. Who would you feel? I think you got a bias on field. Yeah. I'm going to feel a bias. Well, my spice you take is going 100. He's going huge. Who would you go out of read or trainer? Reads got a bit of match up in my opinion this week. So I think I'm going to go with that. He's had two scores over 60. Yeah. Trainers had three. So trainers heard what he's only had one poor game and it was a 33 against poor Adelaide. The rest have been 62, 78, 74. Read has only had one score over 80. It was 83 against poor. It's a four game sample size, which to me is not enough for really to look at those scores and say, Hey, this is what I'm confident is going to happen. So if I go with the match up, I feel like at least like if it goes wrong, I can say, Hey, well, I think most people are going to go with read. So if you want to, that's the way I read it. I think he's the way to go. That's the way I read it anyway. Nice. I'll say it again. I'll read it. I get it. Yeah. Okay. So probably expecting a standing o. Thank you for that super chat. Once I keep pre-shared it. Jarrod's also snuck in with the super chat as well. Says selling nod and can only afford Toronto patraca, Neil or Ash. I'm assuming Ashcraft, I'd imagine already have marriage and bias. Thanks. Lads. Jarrod, this is pretty much the exact situation I'm in and kind of obsessing over as well. I think in this situation, I think that means you can also afford Chera. Yes. Someone else, you're also looking at so at the moment as it stands, my team, I'm in this exact situation. I've got not to Chera. I don't know how good I feel about it because I can see obviously Toronto's got pet degree, patraca's got pet degree. I think Chera maybe has the instant match up. I don't like the low time on ground, but I think the instant match up can hopefully work for me, especially like me. She said, "Culton need to absolutely annihilate West Coast this week. It's not just like they're going to be cruising." I have this feeling that with patraca, I just at least want to see one week. I know he's a good player. I'm not disputing that, but I want to see one week of good. I think this week gives in the match up to do that. Chera's also got a slightly lower break even than both of those guys as well. I just feel like maybe I'm heading in the right direction. Maybe I'm poorly guided there, but that's where I'm at, Jared. Hopefully that comes in. What it's worth, I think I would have Toronto at the top of that list, but I know he hasn't done awesome so far this year. I just think that the matchups have been tough of them and they definitely get better for the Tigers. I still think he can be a hundred plus guy, and I just think he's a bit closer than someone like Chera, and I think they're both at equal value. Sam, "Snuckbacking with a sub chat. Appreciate that, Sam." It says, "Who to bring in? Brasior with 266K left over, or are you going merit with 160 left over, Mitch?" Sometimes you go, "Okay, yeah, I'm going to get the guys more expensive because it's a better player." But if you subscribe to the big boys, then I think Brasior is going to go bigger than merit this week. Plus, you're going to have an extra 100K left in the bank. Why wouldn't you go that option? Unless you obviously disagree with me and you think merit is going to be bigger this week. But I think even the fact that it's a conversation, even the fact that it's close, this is where I take that 100K and try and imagine that I'm going to use that better next week to help my team make a better trade with next week's trade. I'd hate to pay for a merit who goes less than a Brasior, have less money and full short of them, I ideal trade next week because I went chasing an expensive player. I think that feels like good advice when I'm tossing up between those types of decisions and you try and forecast. It's fraught with danger forecasting three, four weeks ahead, but even just the next week is wise in that position. Thank you for that, Sam. Jason also got a super chat in. Appreciate it, Jason. Can I feel real read over Frasior? As I had to trade, will day and knowledge for Brasior. So, hit by bullets for Jason. This is your conundrum, isn't it? I could have the option. I could choose to go trainer and read and put Frasior and Sam deconing on my bench, which sounds crazy because you got two 700K guys there and you're putting two 400K guys on your field. Frasior has a better role. Yes? He's not a key defender. He's not a tall defender. He at least is getting some CBAs. He's gone 60 plus three times, including a ton in there. He's at the one score below 40. I know it's the most recent example. If Melbourne decided to play like they did last week, she's not sorry, I got my wise cross there. Yeah, Melbourne for a moment for Essendon. Yes, I say. Yeah, I'm in and reads. Yes, reads every case. Yeah. They play in Norwood against Brisbane. For me and the way I'm seeing it, I'm going to back in the slightly more experienced player with what I see as a slightly better role. I'm going to go Frasior, but I am not very confident in that at all. Maybe that's me just leaning on the fact that he is more expensive. I don't know. At least he's toned up at some point this year, which gives me a little bit of hope. Let's get through a few more questions. Abhinav says, "Am I going to brace you this week for that ceiling and a semi-decent run?" Or am I going ashgroff to it also has a good run, cheaper and with a lower brake evens. What are your thoughts on Will Ashcroff? I guess. The thing that concerns me is the role and the CBAs. They're not up there. He's still hovering around that 50 to 60% CBAs, which is kind of what he was doing last year. I think he's going to be better. Obviously he's further back from the ACL come back. But I don't think he can be that a hundred scoring guy. I didn't know midfield, that's what we want because then you're taking too much of a hit to the top guys and they're in that situation. For me, I would go up a little bit higher personally. I don't think he can be the hundred plus. If you do think he can be there, then maybe I'd look that way. I just personally don't. Scott says, "Mitch in a word, green or brace sure." It's kind of funny because I've got a brace on one of my big boys. But I'm going to say green because, sorry, I've got a brace on two of my big boys. Because green, I just trust him a little bit more. There's a small concern on the role. Outside of maybe these next two games for the three mental dockers, I think green is just a bit more solid in what he's going to be doing. No change in his role, no change in the game style from the Giants. I think if I had to choose between the two of them, I'd go green, but it's close. - A second part of the question is Luke Watts-Vidina. - Ooh. - Paul got something in the air, that's Luke Walker, huh? - Paul Pork. - Hey. - Could have pulled pork, get the sauce on there. I don't know how to do in roles or wraps, but been the great bloke that I am, I've even invited this fella over. - What? - This fella over for dinner too. So Paul Pork for both of us tonight. - Yeah, well thank you. - You're in hot water, mate, because Jason has said, he's going for Asia based on your advice. So Jason, if it doesn't work out, - Hey, come and hunt me down. - At least you can point fingers. - No, he's turning up, I told you. He's turning up, he's going to be, he's going to remember how to football. - Of course he is. Petrica, DPP, is he getting it? I'll sneak us. - I think it's very likely. - Does that, so this week, does that make him a more attractive option in any way than Tarantor, Chara, these guys that are kind of around that price, Ashcroft? - I don't think he's as much value as those players. - I think he's more likely than those guys to be just a 90 guy. With that said, a 90 guy in our forward line is pretty much the top six. So I see him more as like paying up for a merit, like that kind of option because merit is, he's priced expensively, but he does the world he does that, but he's a guaranteed top eight. So the value versus certainty for them to be best in their line is sort of how I see them, but I don't think he's as value as those other guys. I don't think he's going to average 10 more points than where he's priced at, which I think is still 89 or 90. - Jonathan wants our thoughts on Locky Neal. I'll take the lead on this one. Locky Neal, I think there's an argument to say that Locky Neal could average the most out of kind of any of these guys that we're talking about for the next two weeks, but then if you kind of look, if you look three weeks ahead and you look at St. Kilda, I think it's in tag, it's almost a certainty to be a blanket from Windhaiger, and that could really put you off, I think. I think you get two good weeks and then you go into Locky Neal, classic 40 when he's being tagged, which Locky Neal sometimes drops. I think that puts you off a little bit. So, I mean, he has put up a 37 so far this year. - Yeah, so that's put me off, 'cause I certainly had a look at that earlier in the week and if he was coming into five, six games where I thought that maybe there was no tag, then there's a chance that I would have gone there. - Yeah, so the guys you're bringing in now, you want to hold basically two thereby. And before his buy, which is around 16, the last buy, he does come up against St. Kilda, the Windhaiger Tag, potentially something like a spare tag from Melbourne, maybe. You've got Hawthorne, Fin McGinnis or a Conor Nash. Even Estadon could throw someone on him. You've also got the Giants, who will definitely throw Bedford his way and Jolong, who've already tagged in with Marco Conor. So potentially five tags in his next 10 games, to me just, yeah, it means that I don't think he's an option. - Giants, I came with a super chat. Before we get to Giants' question, I just saw a name in there that we haven't given much air time too. It's Caleb Sarong. So if you can't get to Braceure, you're happy with Sarong this week? - I am happy with Sarong. What do you think he can average? - Is my question to you, because last year he's coming up with 103 season, the year before he was a 108 guy. Where do you see him from this point on averaging for the rest of the season? - I think with the addition of Hayden Young to the free-o midfield last year, and he started to, I think to feel comfortable in there over the last half of the season. I think that kind of put a little bit of a dent in Sarong's ceiling scores that we saw early in the year. And I think which surprised me, but I think what's actually happened there is Hayden Young's, it's good. He's as hard as a cat's head. And we didn't expect that. We expected a guy with a top knot to be flowing on the outside, but that guy loves to tag, or that guy loves to get inside pills. So I think it just maybe knocked the ceiling off Sarong. That's not to say that I don't think he's a good pick, especially this week coming into Richmond. I think you can ride a couple of good matchups. - Yeah, I still see him as a guy with a fairly high floor, like, he's not a guy that drops 70s or 80s very often. He's usually a 90, 100 sort of a guy, and you can get the occasional pop score. So last year when he did, you were right before, when you said he had a big screw against Richmond, scored 141 against him last year. So he had 38 touches, which, and eight marks and five tackles. That's a big game. - The thing, I did some digging on Sarong and Brasior, and three minutes of mark numbers down this year thus far. The thing about Sarong scoring compared to Brasior's scoring is he doesn't rely on the marks as much. So I think Sarong kind of last year, off the top of my head average, somewhere like two and a half marks, any average is kind of four and a half tackles, again, off the top of my head. But he's maintained those tackle numbers, and his mark numbers have just dropped slightly, whereas for Brasior, he gets around giving you five, six marks a game, and his mark numbers have dropped drastically. So I think like Mitch said, that at least gives you the high floor, which is what you're asked for a guy that you want to keep at least to the boys. - Yeah, I think at worst you're going to get what he's priced at, and there's a bit of upside there, and you've got the sugar hit for this week. So I like him as a target. - Okay, Joy's got a couple of options for us, and we appreciate the Super Chat Joy. Sanders and Taylor, to horny boy, and the Wang, horny boy and the Wang. That's a combo right there. - That's a combo, I like it. I'm gonna stop reading the question right there, 'cause I'm locked in, I'm biased. - Yeah, I'm gonna hold on to the call then. - I have. - The non-existent collar. Or are we going tailored to Brasior, and some other defender, 940 or less? - So would you bring in a 40-breed? - He's sure it was that option, but obviously he's not, I would have said that before he was laid out last night. - Wang and Horn Francis. Horn Francis as a trade-in option. - Well, to me, this is a little bit interesting because you're trading in St. Kilda, sorry, the Wang against not really the most fruitful match-up on not really what we'd expect to be the most fruitful ground despite him doing it last year at Norwood. And you're also then trading in Horn Francis against Hawthorne, which we also know is maybe not the most fruitful. So even though they're potentially good trade-ins, does it kinda go against the timing of the trade-ins that you normally like to be? - Yeah, it does a little bit. I think Horn Francis, it depends on what you think you can be. Like he was priced at 90, he hasn't really shown anything so far this year to say that he's going to be better than last year. Would you agree? - Yeah. - So if he came into the year average of 90, butters is now back, he is priced at like an 86. So there's a little bit of meat on the bone there. Wang's priced at 103 or something like that. I don't know if there's much meat on the bone there. So you may be getting like a few points of value here and there. Brace your, you definitely got a bit more value, but a Defender 840K or less. - I think that's a trouble, isn't it? - It's a bit of a, it strikes me as a bit of a half way house. So I think I'm leaning the first two. You're getting two players out that I think are good trade-outs and potentially two keepers in those positions. So despite that not being he's value, I think I'd probably go there and hope for the higher end of the projections. Maybe Hornfrances is the 95 guy. Then that's a good trade. Like if he goes 95 from here or even like 100, that's possible. That could be a really winning trade at this point. - Okay, we'll get a couple more in. Sam says a non-sheezel owner with the opportunity to trade him in. Would you trade him in? Do you like that potential defensive role enough to trade him in? - If I could guarantee it, he actually could present value. - Wow. - He's priced at 112. If he stayed a half back for the whole season, he'd be a 120 guy. - Oh, I hope so. - I don't see that happening. Like North got pumped last week and it was very disappointing. You could tell like the whole team was a bit rattled and they thought error a bit further on than they were. - And Wardlaw's not back this week. - When Wardlaw does come back, I actually think I can see a world where it happens because it sounds weird to say that North, I'm not gonna say an embarrassment of riches, but I think North Melbourne have a lot of players that they see as playing in their midfielder. - I do know why God. - Elder used just signed a massive contract. He's number one in there. They seem to really begin on Gryseumpkin in their pal. They seem to be keen on Wardlaw. We know that. - That's how it turns the sheen in the game. - So are you gonna run a five-man midfielder? There's not too many teams in the comp that run. How much is he gonna do off-half forward? Yeah, so there's not many teams in the comp that genuinely run a five-man midfielder where everyone gets their share. So I mean, I can see a scenario when Wardlaw comes back where they go, "Hey, she's a could be the most damaging half back in the game." - I think you could. I think you could. I like him better than a Zorcaro Whitfield. I'll say that. I still think I'd lean somewhere a little bit cheaper, but there's a world where it works. There is a world where it works. Okay, Tim, thank you for the Super Chat pre-shared. It doesn't have a question associated with it, but we always appreciate it. - Yeah, thank you. - Very, very kind of you. Okay, last question, what do you think? - Let's do one more. - Yeah, one more. - So Sam says, "Who do I feel out of Warner, Hall, or Garcia?" Well, you're the genius here, Matt. - Yeah, I think I have this very question this week. And right now, I'm on Max Hall. I think Jack Steele coming back here and really dense my confidence with Garcia, low-togged. Max Hall was going good until last week. He even was good in the first quarter and a bit, and then really slowed down, poor Dutelade. So I'm gonna back him in. He's had three scores over 50, 280s. One of them was in a thumping against Richmond. One of them was a thumping against Adelaide. [BLANK_AUDIO] That fills me with a little bit of confidence that he can do it in both scenarios where the teams going well and going poorly So I should think of I'm going with him. I think a narrow ground Contestic and I think might actually help him yeah this week as well I think he seems like a bit of a go getter and he's not gonna be afraid to Is that what they play good in yeah? Yeah, we all think yeah, not all well I think we'll let everyone go have a fiddle with their teams and go watching the big bias is nice to know yeah And if if you're over at Adelaide, enjoy the scenes around for us. Maybe we'll get there next year Pretty sure we said this this time last year But have a good round guys hopefully your captains go big make sure you stay across the news with all those late-ins Make sure you check your loopholes and and all that sort of good stuff And we'll see you guys again for the round review on Monday's podcast until then have a good one bye guys bye [Music]