1203: Ross Steelman

[MUSIC] >> Be the right club today. >> Yes. >> That is better than most. >> How about him? >> Better than most. [MUSIC] >> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying a podcast. Sully here, we have your new favorite golfer. We found him Ross Steeleman interview coming up shortly. Spend some time with DJ T.C. and I. I know DJ got to play a pro and with him a few weeks ago. Raven about this guy, finally got a chance to sit down with him. He's coming to the PGA tour next year. Number one on the corn fairy tour. Let's run and get into all of that. He's going to be a very easy guy for you to root for when you hear this interview. I promise you that we appreciate his time. I also appreciate our friends at foot joy as golfers. We're always checking the forecast before we get out there and play. You never know when you're going to be with an unexpected shower. You got to be ready. 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The Arcus rain jacket is built to keep you dry and comfortable because the weather turns your golf game shouldn't have to. Thanks to our friends at foot joy. Let's get the podcast started. All right. Let's get to know Ross Steelman. You're coming to the PGA tour next year. That one's been locked. What's that been like to be able to say that like very confidently now? You've had it, you know, you've been in a good position for a while now but we can confidently confidently say you're going to be on the PGA tour next year. Yeah. It's been really cool for lack of better words. You know, it's something I've wanted to do and dreamed of doing since I was a little kid. So to be able to not say like, oh, I'm pretty close or like, it's around the corner. If I play well, it's like, now man, I'm going to the PGA tour next year and it's such a cool feeling. It's really fun. What's it like to have to go out and shoot 64 every week? Every time we look, I'm like, oh, Ross shot 64 again today. It's great. Yeah. 64 is just a couple back. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like last week I shot 1800 and finished 38, it's just absurd. But it's taken me a couple years to kind of figure out like my process of looking at a leaderboard and thinking like, oh, like 64 is T8 today and it's just taken a little bit but it's really kind of required me to mature and get better at just being patient on the golf course and realizing like, hey, if you don't birdie the first four, like you're going to be okay. Like because that's what it feels like out there every week, if you tee off in the afternoon on Thursday, there's someone at nine or 10. And if you tee off early, it's like through five holes, someone's four under and it's just, it can be really exhausting if you're trying to keep up with that the whole time. And this year, I've just done a better job of, you know, piecing together like five under six under seven under rounds and stacking those across four days and it ends up working out pretty well usually. What's, uh, what's it feel like when you're when you're not doing a good job of that? Are you pressing? Are you frustrated? Like what's, talk me through kind of, uh, what it used to be like and what is kind of the difference now? Yeah. I mean, it used to be like, I, I've always like, I've, I was a good player in college and then I come out and it's like, I feel like I'm playing about the same as I was in college and just getting smoked like weekend and week out, like getting killed. And so it was like, I get frustrated, like I get mad, like you're out, you're in for porn fairy for us. We played places that are the hottest places on earth for whatever week we're there. Like, we go to Omaha and July, we went to Kansas City in August and it's just all this just horrible. Yeah. Springfield Illinois. Just horrible. Yeah. Springfield Illinois, the driving range is the hottest place I've ever been in my life. It was, I, I thought I was going to pass out one morning before we were playing. And so it's like you, you can find that with the fact that you feel like you're just spinning your tires and you just want to break every club in your bag every like third week out there if you're not playing well. And like going from that two seasons and last year, like to just kind of relaxing out there and just saying, like, Hey, man, like I'm playing golf. Like this is a pretty good day. Like regardless of what I'm shooting is, it's been a, it's been a really good turnaround for me mentally to like be able to have fun and doing it even when it like, even if I'm three under and the leaders are at 12, like it's just been like a much more patient mindset for me. What's it like? You, you want it maybe the two most opposite golf courses on the entire schedule, which I think is a really cool feather in your cap. Just talk to us about that. Like, I mean, Boise and Boise and TPC Colorado, those are, those are opposite ends of the spectrum. Yeah, those are, those golf courses are not, not similar at all. Like Colorado's, you'll have to check me on this, but it's like 8,000 yards and there's a 775 yard par five and it's a lot of like, a lot of the length is on the par five. And so it's a lot of, if you can hit a driver really far and then hit a three wood really far, like you can make up a lot of that distance, but you know, it, it goes from that to Hillcrest and Boise, which is like a little tight, like kind of winding through residential neighborhood style country club. And you know, I just, both of them, I did a really good job of this year, just kind of just blasted driver. And for as far as I hit it, I hit it pretty straight to both weeks. I was hitting my driver well. I was putting well. And then both weeks, I just got real hot with like my seven to four iron on par five and started hitting them to, you know, 15, 25 feet, having good eagle looks and then hit some good ledges and, you know, it kind of accumulates in pretty good sports. If you were to win a third time, would that get you just like, what is the, all right. So this late in the season, post regular season, what is the, the battlefield promotion? Would that, would that net you anything other than getting you into all the falsaries events? And earning immense respect of the Eda, you probably said it's the best thing anybody could do golf. Um, I think it, I'm pretty sure it just comes with the, the immediate like insertion into the fall series stuff. So like, if I was to win in a couple of weeks in Nashville, I'm pretty sure I'd get just immediately into all the rest of the stuff in the fall. Do you have any, any sponsors invites like with being number one on the points list? Do you, are you planning to play any fall PJ tour events this year? I don't have any lined up yet. I'm going to call the word out, we're putting the word out right now, give them a call. I'm going to spend a good chunk of next week sending out some emails and hopefully making some phone calls to tournament directors with the last couple of events once our season's done. Um, because you know, I talked about this with my coach and it's like, I'm playing really well right now. So I might as well try to get in and like regardless of whether I do or not. And yeah, any, any opportunity to play on the PJ tour is a good one because you never know what one week can do. So Utah would be a very, very good fit for you. Yeah, I would love to play at Black Desert. I love playing at altitude because it just like there's, you have to, it does a really good job of making me like think about the shot that I'm hitting right then because you have to calculate the percentage of how far it's going to fly and it changes throughout the day. Um, and yeah, I kind of, sometimes I get bored when I'm just hitting a number and just swinging a club and it kind of makes me focus in a little more. What's your, uh, just looking at it, like your gap between you and Doc Redman, you know, like you're, you're one, he's two. How much is that top of mine? Because, because being, you know, finishing number one at the end of the corn fairy tour season gets you into more stuff and like you're kind of high on the hog is from a priority perspective. Yeah. So it like, obviously, like one of my main goals for the rest of the season is to finish number one on the points list. Like I, it, you're getting in guaranteed the players, the US open and the PGA, like that's a huge perk that comes with it as well as like, just kind of, as you said, like the, the priority and getting in everything, like that, that'd be really big. But I'm not really like going out there thinking about it per say, like I'm, I'm still just trying to go and shoot 64 and BT 8 by the end of Thursday most weeks. And it's just like, it's a cool thing that comes, it's a byproduct of good play at the end of the season. And with four events left, it's like, if I can just go put my head down and play well for four weeks, like everything will kind of take care of itself. For the listeners, like you are first on the list over 400 points gap, you've got 18 73 docs, got like 14 42, something around that range of points over the course of the season. But I can - We got a rocket bull being yesterday. He's just sleeping. - Hanging out here in town. - I got a question for you on distance. For those that don't know, you hit it hard. You hit it hard. - Can I say solid, we played a pro-M a couple of weeks ago, and I think I said to you, I'm like the third or fourth hole, I was like, man, you're like one of the longest guys, right? 'Cause like if you're not, like I don't know what, I don't know what we're doing. - I'm curious how, was that always the case, growing up, was that always a thing, and just kind of, we've seen a big, you know, revolution and stroke's gained and analytics and all this technology and blah, blah, blah and hit it far. I'm just curious if we've been talking about this crop of guys that are coming and we've seen a lot come up to the tour that hit it hard. And was there a calculation to this on your part of saying, like this is my best route into, you know, becoming one of the best players, was just always the case for you. I'm curious how you've analyzed that. - Yeah, so I'm six six. Like I've always been tall and I've got long levers and I've always hit it, like as a kid, like I enjoyed hitting it further than everybody. So I would like try to. And now it's gotten to the point where it's like, I was saying this, I'm hanging out with Joel Damon and Andrew Putnam this week in Seattle. And like Joel was asking me that kind of the same thing last night is like, do you always hit it far? And I was like, you know, honestly, I picked up about 15 to 20 yards kind of in the middle of last season, just by switching to a longer driver shaft. As using one that was like 44 inches and switched to 45, 75 or something in that realm. And I ended up starting to hit it 20 yards further and probably three fairways around straighter. And so it was, that was cool, like objectively. That was added to the list of things that are sick in that farther. But you know, it just like, I've always, I don't analytically know, I just, I hit my driver. This season, me and Craig, my caddy, have made kind of a conscious effort to say to each other, like, hey dude, like driver goes straighter than anything else in my bag. So let's just hit it everywhere. And it's like, it tournaments, like I'll hit driver on 95% of my T-balls on par fours now. It's like, and obviously on corn freighters, less of a like detractor to hitting drivers on different holes, like, it's a lot of places that you just blast it and go find it. But I'm doing that in a way that I'm blasting it and hitting it in the fairway still, which has been very nice to have wedges from fairways. - I feel like the Michael Brennan school, school. - Yeah, I've, like, hit it right far just straight. - Hit it a long way, hit it straight, and then go try to hit wedges close from there. - Can I, can I ask about the 44 inch driver? Because it sounds like there's some scar tissue that made the past, making it go that way. - Yeah, well, it's like, well, it wasn't even scar, it wasn't even like, it wasn't even anything that I struggled with. It was just like, I had a fitter when I was a kid, be like, hey, you're tall, you're gonna hit it everywhere. So let's put you in a shorter shaft to get it going straight. And as I got older, like I played it through college, like played it my first couple of years as a pro. And I was like, sure, this is, this works, but I've always done it. And it's like, I never thought about it. And so all of a sudden, I pulled one of my buddies out on a range, me and Pontus, both Mr. Cut and Chicago last year, pulled his driver out and just laced about five of them. And I was like, yeah, I'll take this one right here. - Can we go, I feel like we kind of skip past some of this, but for people who are not super familiar with you, can you run us through your backstory a little bit? Where are you from? Where'd you go to school? Some of the just kind of bio info here. - Yeah, for sure, so I grew up in Columbia, Missouri, which is where the University of Missouri is. I grew up learning how to play golf at a part three course in driving range, just off of I-70 there outside of town. When I was like, I was like eight, I was hitting balls on the driving range and the guy that owned the place is named Jake Poe. And he's like, he's my coach to this day. He came out and said to my parents, like, hey, if he ever wants help, like I'd be happy to help him. And so he kind of got me started, like, told me how to hold the club, told me how to swing all of that and I ended up, and I still work with him now, but it's like, I kind of just got a little better, a little better, like, I hit it. I was a terrible golfer as a kid until probably my junior year of high school. And so I went to the University of Missouri for two years, played there. After two seasons, transfer had been finished at Georgia Tech, graduated from Georgia Tech. And then after Tech, I got on the corn fairy through the PGA tour U system and have been out here for the last three and a half seasons now. - What does terrible golfer mean? And how did that switch flip? 'Cause somewhere you turned into a really good golfer. What was the-- - Yeah, I was fine for Missouri. And then I'd get to the places that I wasn't familiar playing and just feel so out of place and shoot 80. Like I did that. I remember distinctively my freshman year of college, like our second event was at Inverness in Toledo. And I got there and I was like, yeah, I do not. This is not-- - I don't know that. - I don't have that. Yeah, and I shot like 86 in the final round and I was like, yeah, this is horrible. And as I kind of got older, I broke my wrist twice my senior year of high school so that wasn't cool. And then that, once COVID happened, I kind of had enough time to sit down and let it like heal 'cause college golf, you don't have time to play in every day. Like you're working out every day and it's just like very bad time for injuries to heal. And so got that healed up, started playing better. When out in the SEC was the only conference that was playing during COVID in that fall. And I played really well in the first, we played three or four events and I played really well in the first three of them. And you know, it was seeing that we were basically playing SEC championships every week. It was like, okay, I can do this with these guys now. And kind of from there, just had a lot more self-confidence and self-belief into saying like, oh yeah, I can do this. - College football season is here. Our closets are looking more and more like Brobex website. Here's the thing about Brobex Collegiate Game Day collection. They're not just slapping a logo on a stock polo. 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Rowback.com code N-O-U, let's get back to Ross. - Can you take it like wear on the scale, let's say like the IMG Academy is right here. And like Magic Mountain is on one of the scale. Where's Perch Creek? Where does that fall in the spectrum in terms of background of places as play as kids? - Real quick, too. Has it rebranded to Midway? - Golf, yes. - Golf, yes. - Okay. - It's rebranded and I haven't been out there since they rebranded it, I don't think. But it was Perch Creek is-- - Perch Creek, okay. - Yeah, it's, you go to IMG and you sprint the other direction as far as you can. And that's where Perch Creek was. The greens were, I'm sitting in a little office that's probably about, I don't know, 12 feet by 12 feet right now. And that's about the size of every green out there. You know, it was, there was probably out, probably 75 driving range mats. We'd hit out into this big like floodplain. And every time it rained, the entire driving range would be underwater. And the next morning I'd go out and me and my coach and his dad would hand pick the range. And so that's how I would get to hit three golf balls as I'd go pick them all up. And then we'd get compensated for that. But they had a mini golf course that the greens probably stamped out at about a 37. They were so fast, it was like putting on glass. Like they had the little, it was like that astroturf that was just worn slick into the concrete. And it was so much fun. - Proper playing surface. - Yeah, exactly. - They got go-carts as well. How's the go-carts? - Go-carts. - Yeah, we ripped the go-carts out there. They had, they had massive like, they had a car out on the driving range at one point when I was a kid that we would hit balls at. That says just, it was a blast like it. I really like glean a lot of appreciation like to the game of golf. And like when I show up at nice places now, it's like, yeah, this is really cool. But it's like, I grew up at par three course on driving range off the side of an interstate. So it's like that's kind of where I always like draw my roots back to engulf is having this like I I like to think of it as a pretty grounded approach to everything just because it's like that's where I grew up playing and it's awesome. Well, you live in John's Creek, right? You live in I live in Midtown now. I don't know why it says John's Creek on the PGA tour app. I might have put that in a couple of years ago. There's a course out in John's Creek to do there called river pines that Neil yes, yeah, I drive by it. Play in the par three course there and hit and range balls and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, very similar. So do you do you practice when you're at home, do you practice down at Georgia Tech or do you go out to coach golf club at Georgia or what's your. Yes, so I use I use the tech facility there in Midtown a lot like it's so cool. Coach Heppler while he was there and now Coach Hibble since he's taken over our parade about having alums that are playing professionally out like they're very welcoming and that was a big part of why I picked Georgia Tech was like the pro base that is still there a lot. So I practice at the tech facility in Midtown and then I play at Drew at Hills, Delver and just off a ponds there in Midtown and it's been awesome. They let me join when I was moving back to Midtown last off season and it's been fantastic. You know, it's always in super nice shape. Really great putting greens in the memberships. Awesome. They love. There's a couple of us out there and they just love having us and playing with us. It's really cool. It feels like Atlanta's kind of an under maybe underrated underrepresented home base for pro golfers at least just from like a travel perspective, right? I mean, you can get you can get anywhere wherever you need to go. Whether's better than people probably think I don't know talking through that a little bit. There's there's not a ton not a ton of you guys. No, there's not a ton of us and most of us played it at tech. A lot of guys that play kind of stay like a bunch of my teammates like Connor Howe, Vince Smith, like Noah Norton, like we all stayed in that area and are playing still and you know, it's it's so easy to travel out of like I live 15 minutes from the airport and so it's it's just super easy to be able to go and get anywhere on our schedule, especially corn fairy like we play in some remote locations and so it's been awesome like it's super cool and there's some sneaky good golf, especially North like TC knows all about it like that. There's the I love playing golf in Atlanta like there's a lot of courses are really cool to pros like they let us come play and it's it's really cool. I want to ask you a couple a couple of static questions. First off, the fingernails. I know we talked about this in the program. TC's big Caleb Williams guy. I don't know if he's going to turn him off. It just really made me laugh. You were kind of in the middle of your of your fingernail journey. I feel like when we were older out there, I was wondering if you just now know stories and figured this out. Yeah, so well it started. My girlfriend got a new fingernail polish and we are a new color of it before the tournament in Raleigh that we played this year and so I was I was testing to see the color of it before you know she committed to it full time and end up finishing second that week and so I just painted one one fingernail finish second and like like fuck I can't stop now. I gotta keep going and and so then we a couple like keep playing and then a month and a half or so later you know we're talking about it and she says to me like oh it chips faster on my pointer finger than it does my pinky. I'm like that just doesn't stop. Like I got something's going on here so I started doing that one and then I won or I finished third in Chicago and then won and boys see a couple weeks later so I'm like well now I've got two that are painted and so that's the new superstition that I've got going so it's like it's working so I'm gonna keep doing it now I'm mixing up the colors a little bit. Yeah it's just just kind of fun being different. Yeah I think once you stop shooting 64 every day you could maybe reassess then I'll stop painting. The swing weights seem to be working right now. Yeah I think so. And through your your results just going back to the the altitude thing you're truly like an altitude specialist like you played the the Columbia event really well you played you played well in Utah over here you play well and call it out of every year it's crazy. Yeah I love it but there's something and so Jake my coach is adamant about this he's like something about kids from Missouri playing in altitude in the mountains he's like it just works and I have no idea why but man I love it it's just fun to tee it up and just rip it in the ball go forever. We need to get you pulled back back on the calendar for you but yeah I know kidding. What is that on the on the tour bio the fun facts about you it says something about drinking ginger ale the night before tournaments because of a Ben Hogan link is this is that accurate and take me take me there. Well it was funny I was I did a little thing on golf channel with Damon and Damon last week and and Damon asked me the same thing and I was like that so that was my like I had to drink ginger ale the night before I played competitively because I was convinced I was convinced that it gave you better feel on your fingers and uh my people this year yeah it entirely is but and this is the guy who superstitiously paid to his nails is exactly yeah okay well and it's funny because Raleigh this year it was the week that I started painting my fingernails that I was like hey I'm gonna stop drinking ginger ale like I'm gonna stop doing it this week and so I stop that and I started painting my nails so now it's just it's the superstition was flipped from one to another um so I I swore by that I did that from the time I was I think my grandpa got me started on that I think I was probably 14 so I did it every I drank ginger ale the night before every round from the time I was 14 until June of this year. That's great there's there's not a lot that can wow me like nutritional facts when you read the side of a can seeing a side of a can of ginger ale and seeing how much sugar in it for the first time is a true whoa I didn't know that was possible how's this legal yeah like four loco yeah a lot of sugar a lot of sugar what do you how do you travel are you a like a food nut do you get out and kind of see a bunch of different I've just on that note like what's what's traveling week to week like for you I eat Chipotle every meal that I'm not playing golf so I eat it if I'm at a tournament for six days I eat it in six nights for dinner and probably three or four times for lunch I'm saying every time or yeah makes it up. What's the order? No I go extra white rice brown is okay if they're out of white but I go extra white rice double carnitas and extra fajita veggies okay it's good that's it good protein sure yeah exactly that speaking of the protein craze yeah everything everybody's got to have all sorts of protein it's all got some reds you want to talk about that Ross you're a cool guy too I am yeah I I don't do it before I play like I was telling the guys last night we were hanging out and Andrew was telling me how to use his coffee machine and I was like oh no I'm good in the morning I just need loud music and I'm good to go but yeah I this we had a long break between the South America stuff and Savannah this year and so I was after like a week at home I was bored out of my mind and so I was like I'm going to figure out how to make like espresso and so I got like a they got in the espresso maker have been which one did you get I got one too I got a Breville barista express the same one I got it's awesome it's have you have you taken it like I took like six hours and made about 22 cups of coffee just to figure out how the dialing in process can you get very expensive yeah it's oh god it's gone oh wow yeah exactly it's time to make a cup and it's gone yeah oh right yeah it's like oh this is my second bag of beans today and it it is gone let's go back to the coffee shop but uh but yeah so I've gotten I've gotten big into like making my own coffee and just kind of having that and enjoying it so that's been that's been fun do you do you frequent other like like coffee shops out on the road as well like I know Curtis Luck is a big coffee guy uh he's like Curtis and Max Rotloff and a few other guys they would you know like there's a place in cow that was greenville greenville mafada oh a stock or coffee greenville or yeah okay I feel like you go to some cool smaller cities for cornfair it's all that have kind of a cool you know either university culture or a coffee culture yeah I don't do I don't do a very good job of like seeking out coffee while I'm on the road a lot of times I'll opt for a baja blast from a crogress I've got one but uh um stay young yeah yeah that's that's what everyone's telling me and I'm I'm rolling with it while I still can but um you know it's I I do a bad job of like going out and doing stuff when I'm on the road like like if I'm in town on Monday like I'll be the like I'll play at six o'clock on Tuesday mornings just to get in get done get my work done before everybody else gets out there and then sleep for about four hours in the afternoon but I love walking around like just going and walking college campuses when we're in towns at places like Boise State School, 'cause it's like, it's got a really cool downtown and then you can go to the college and it's this really cool campus, like kind of set down in the valley and you've got the mountains on one side and there's just a lot of like, and I've heard Randy talk about this before and there's just something. Something really cool about college campuses and I've always really, like I grew up pretty much on one. Like my grandparents owned a bed and breakfast that they operated and my parents were like the managers of the University of Missouri's campus. I would just like wander around campus as a kid and my aunt and uncle were the volleyball coaches and so like college campuses are just, I find them really cool to just walk around and see what's going on. - Get you and Randy on a little, a big brother's, big brother's program. (laughing) - Out there. - What's the loud music in the morning? - It changes, it's in speaking of superstition I kind of play the same like group of four or five songs on the way to golf course. Right now it's the main one is never going home by coons. It's, I don't know if you saw Erling Holland, he posted that selfie after they beat someone in the World Cup and it's this super catchy like EDM song. There's always a little bit of TI in there. It's an Atlanta rap. Just get you really fired up to go chill out and make bars. (laughing) A lot of times it's skill it in the morning on the way to the course just to really get the blood flowing and but then afterwards it's got to cool it down after the round, especially if you're coming off hot after 18, get some irration, get some grateful dead, something that just kind of relax a little bit. - Sure, I don't know where. - Sounds like the spectrum, yeah, no where. I wanted to ask, the other aesthetic question, I feel like we got to ask about the tattoos. I think when you get to the PGA tour, there's gonna be a lot of, did you guys hear about the guy with the tattoos? You're gonna get a lot of that that's gonna be coming. I'll just warn you. But I found the story behind him super interesting, especially like the, talk about kind of the, I don't get like the desert scene and the kind of forest scene if you don't mind walking through some of that. - Yeah, for sure. And so it's kind of like I told you in Chicago, it's kind of a working mural of a life story almost with different reminders to myself. Like other people would see it and be like, "Oh, that's cool." But it's like it has a little deeper meaning for me, especially like the desert on the inside of my forearms, kind of a, it's a working reminder that, you know, obstacles in life can lead themselves to opportunity if you look at them the right way and kind of shift the perspective that you're looking from. And, you know, kind of in comparison with the, like I've got the desert on one side of my forearm, like mountains, like the pine forest, like rolling stream, kind of on the other side. And it's just this working dichotomy of, you know, in life there is good, there is bad. Like there's happiness, there's sadness. There's, there's good times, there's bad times. And one of them, you can't have one without the other. So don't wish away the bad stuff, just because you want the good stuff, like appreciate what's going on in your life and try to like see it from a more holistic perspective and just like be where you're at right now. And just remember that if something seems awesome right now, it's probably gonna come crumbling back down at some point and if something feels like it's at rock bottom, like there's something to work towards and there's something to look forward to. And that's just something that, you know, I try to remind myself daily and just say, like, hey, like just keep everything in perspective, man. Like everything, like no matter what's going on, it's all gonna be okay. Ross, were you just having grown up in Columbia? Was it like, did you feel like you had to get away to, to, you know, kind of come into your own and stuff? Like, you know, like, like, like, talk to us about the transfer from, from Missouri to Georgia Tech. - Yeah, so, you know, I grew up, like I said, essentially on campus at Missouri and that's the only place I ever wanted to go out of high school. Like I, as I committed when I was 15 or 16 or whatever and at that point in my life, like, that's where I needed to be. Like, my first two years in college, like I was not ready to go outside of Columbia, outside of Missouri, like outside of the state. Like, I don't think I would have done very well 'cause I, I just, part of it was getting out of my own house into, like, around my teammates and whatnot. And part of it was just, like, I needed that time to be in college to learn how to get a little bit better. Like, we, I learned so much from being around the senior on the, our team, my freshman year was Rory Franson. He's the Scottish guy, he just won on the challenge tour, a couple, a hotel planner a couple of weeks ago. And, like, he did such a good job of helping me, like, realize that in, like, there were areas of golf that I was good at and there were areas that I wasn't good at. And it's like, I just needed that time there at Missouri to kind of mature enough to realize, like, hey, like, I'm, I'm good now, but it's like, I, I, I want to get to a different place to get a little better weather, a little better schedule. Be around guys that wanted to play professionally. Like, a bunch of my teammates at Mizzou didn't have real aspirations of playing professionally. And I feel like as a, as a college golfer, like, if you have dreams of playing professionally, you need to be around people with those same dreams too. And so it, uh, I, I feel like part of that was, like, coming into my own and being, becoming my own person and saying, like, hey, like, my whole family has grown up in Columbia and has stayed in Columbia their whole lives. Like, I, I love Columbia, Missouri, but it's like, it's, it's time for me to branch out and, and go somewhere else and be in a program and, and a place that's a little more conducive to a lifestyle of professional golf. - Was Georgia Tech hard? - Academically? - Oh, my God. Yeah, it was, what did you, what did you study? - I think it's almost underrated academic school in the country. - It was so hard. I, but it was, it was worth it too. Like, it was, it was our, my coach, coach Hapler was adamant. He's like, hey, like, if you come here, you're gonna learn how to manage your time. And I came into it and was like, yes, sure, whatever. And then after about three weeks, I was like, oh, my God, he's right, like, I need to manage my time a little bit here. But so I studied at Mizzou before I transferred, I was a mathematics major. And then after I transferred, I did a degree called History, Technology and Society at Georgia Tech, which is their way of saying sociology. So very opposite ends of the spectrum. - That's great. - As, as somebody who started in mechanical engineering and wound up doing whatever the hell I'm doing now, yeah, I can, can relate. - I'm curious with, we talked a lot about, you know, what it takes to be successful in the Corn Fairy Tour, a lot of them being, you know, races from the jump, pin your ears back, go. You've played in a few PJ Tour events, great. If I'm scrolling through them, they are some of the, you could take a deeper, at these tournaments there as well. But you kind of, I would imagine you kind of know what you're getting into coming into the next level and how it is gonna be different. What would you say sitting here right now, late August, 2026 that you'd say, like, man, when it's time, when it's go time come January of 2027, I know I gotta be better at this to compete at this level. There's really a thing that jumps out to you to say, like, here's what I gotta get grinded on, get working on 'cause the test is just gonna be a little bit different. I, you know, I'm good, I don't need to work on anything. I got it, I got this man. - I'd say the biggest thing for me is, but it is resisting the urge of saying, like, hey, I really need to improve on this. Like, 'cause so many people, and that's what a lot of guys have told me. Like, so many people, like, graduate on the tour the first year they try to change a lot of stuff. And so my biggest, like, knowing myself, like, I love golf clubs and just like the allure of new stuff. And so just staying out of that and just being, you know, true to myself and running the same process that's working now 'cause it's like, I'm not, you don't go from, like, I've shot 20 under, like, I feel like the last five of the last six weeks or something. And it's like that inherently, like, yeah, the golf courses get a little harder, but it's like the process that I'm working with right now, it inherently works. And so I'd say my biggest challenge will be to stick to what works for me rather than trying to conform to what other people do. And that's what, like, jumps at me first of things that it's like, hey, like, let's not try to change a bunch to, like, do this next year. It's like, hey, let's not change anything and see how that works. And then from there, kind of, diagnose and assess and take a look at, like, hey, is there something I need to do differently? - What's your opinion been on, you know, obviously a bunch of changes going on just with the tour and how it's going to affect, you know, someone in your exact position, you're in kind of this, like, one-of-one sort of position, it feels like where you're, you know, you're kind of in the right spot as all this stuff's sort of shifting around. I was curious, just kind of broad thoughts on, and, you know, things as they change. - Yeah, I think, honestly, I think the tour is doing a ton of good stuff right now. Like, Brian Rollap came to Omaha a couple of weeks ago and kind of laid it all out and just told, what was going on and almost all the stuff he's saying I'm thinking like that makes sense like yeah that's a good idea like that seems like where it seems like we're thinking at it with the right right cap on here and it's like there's a lot of stuff like that and it's like like right now there's 40 guys that are playing like this season that have played like four tour events in a row and then three corn fairy events in a row and then another three in a row and it's like what's going on here like it doesn't make any sense like none of us know like how status works right now so it's like it if it's something that you can kind of consolidate into a very linear like this is where you're playing this year this is where you're playing this year it inherently in my mind it makes sense and as far as like and like the announcement that was out this week about match play like yeah that's awesome like let's get away from Atlanta and August like nobody wants to be outside and Memphis and Saint Louis it's like let's go places that are like cool and that are gonna look good and that are gonna present well to the fans and sponsors it's like nobody wants to see Lucas Glover with swampaks out there and Memphis like and it's like I don't I don't want to be out in Atlanta and August and I live there like I don't want to be outside and it's it's like it just seems like it's making a lot of sense like a lot of things that they're rolling out in a row it's like solid it's like you said on two states pot it's like yeah like that makes sense like it's a lot of things in a row that you're like you think of and it's like the tour announces it and it's like okay sweet cool let's do it how would that have changed from a couple years ago like let's say you know you've been in the corn fairy tour a couple years like if if Jay or anybody had come down and been like hey I'm coming to meet with the membership what would they have been upset about or what would they have been like we need to fix this immediately I think there'd have been a lot more of the older guys at that player meeting that were very that would have been more vocal about what's going on like it's just there's been so much go on and golf the last five years from the just absolutely just complete fabricated inflation of first sizes with live and you know going everything being just an arms race of how much money can we pour into this how much money can we pour into this it just got into a point where it's like yeah let's everybody kind of calm down here and just say like it's gonna be okay if we like there's a couple changes to be made that's gonna make things really cool for people and it seems like they're kind of doing all the same stuff that like guys would have said a couple of years ago and it's like well if we do that it's gonna work pretty well I mean it's gotta be you gotta think you hopefully you're hearing this around the corn fairy tour right now and let's let's let's let's say you're on a different track I'm picturing you your 2028 championship series right let's get in that top 90 next year and go do that but if it doesn't work out that well for you like going to and they I've almost heard the Challenger series be called a glorified literally have we're called a glorified corn fairy tour I'm like that's not a bad thing like it's a great like opportunity for you that's a better place for like you know bad example you your number one on the list but like a lot of people just shortly far down that list of like if that's where you end up shaking out playing for four million dollar purses and playing on the PGA tour that's a great thing like that's an awesome thing and I think I will find that probably be more interesting than following the corn fairy specifically week to week where it doesn't have been a little bit of birdie fest at times and like look what happens with the corn fairy tour is a separate question and I think there's still a ton of value to be had down there but like this there's a whole new class of players that I think is gonna benefit greatly from this new series that it's just I don't feel like that's been fully voiced yet right and I agree I think it's gonna do a much better job of you know determining like the the skills required to move up and the skills that are lacking and you move down like corn fairy right now like you can get like on the birdie fest weeks like there can be a guy that gets hot and wins a couple like wins once in a year and then has another top finish that gets their PGA tour card that might not be name names you know name name thank solid um I can think of you well and there's like there's just and this is what I've conveyed to them over the last couple years and I feel like they've done a much better job this year of you know improving the agronomy and improving the the the conditions that we play in to make it more similar to PGA tour style tests and like obviously there's the weeks that 29 30 27 under when but it's like there's been more this year that are in that range of 16 to 20 like and that's kind of where you see a lot of PGA tour tournaments one is in that range and it just it just seems like it's doing a better job of testing the skills required to succeed on the PGA tour not just to like it used to be like you could like me and my coach have talked about this like there's there's a way to build a game like for the corn fairy tour and just go out and hit it it's like you play in scramble golf and just hit it as far as you can like play five wedges and just try to get it around and like just bomb and gouge everywhere and it's like that like it is not going to work going forward it's like you have to still possess the skills to like TC likes to say you got a pitch not throw sometimes and you still have to play golf out there and that's what I've done a better job at this year is actually like playing golf rather than just trying to go like drip bash my head in when I'm not making five birdies in a row which and other systems getting blown up in me this isn't but you seem to have you seem to be on this and like I think like the way the points work like the volatility at the top of the FedEx cup makes sense like people like winning you want to see some movement but like for a corn fairy tour I think it a smoother point system would make more sense because I get like an eighth place finish on the corn fairy to a consistent eighth place finishes on the corn fairy tour just means you're a good golfer like if you're around a lot but you're not getting a lot of points for that like that's not what's going to be what gets you up there and that one massive week first or second can really dictate something like that do you think a smoother point system at that level would make more sense in terms of identifying who should advance to the next level like the lack of volatility will be a bad thing at the highest level but at a lower level could that make more sense in your mind but you want twice maybe you don't want it necessarily I've never thought about it that way but I mean I guess it makes sense it's like you're like the kind of age old saying out there is like you got to have the super peak weeks like if you finished 20 if every week like it's just not you're not going to make it and like you're like you can be really good and really consistent but it's like you have to have those weeks where you where you peak very hard to be able to move up and it's like it almost it doesn't really reward super consistency unless you're consistently finishing top five yeah that's like you you're your season last year's the perfect example that like you finished 30 second it five top 10s but nothing better than fourth right so you're just in that middle ground you're playing really good golf but Rod extracting the maximum value out of those peak weeks exactly like I think I finished last year with the fifth or sixth scoring average on tour and just wasn't like I was close-ish to moving up but wasn't like particularly real close because I didn't have one of those weeks where I finished second or first and got 500 or 300 points in one scoop. 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But if you're a hardcore pro golf fan, all of a sudden you have this challenger series that you can create a million different on ramps too, and you can really like figure out how to get the right guys from the corn fairy tour onto that track, how to get the right guys from the DP world tour, how to get the right guys from, I don't know, the Asian tour, the college, from all these different places. And then yeah, if I was a 22 year old pro, it might almost be frustrating 'cause it feels like another step to get through, but it's also probably a good filter in order to make sure you've got the kind of the right, quote unquote, the right types of games coming through and the people who are gonna sustain. So yeah, long way of saying it, I think there's a lot to be excited about. Ross, what couple of questions for you? A, how much has your life changed since you were named the Fedora 5? - It's been transcendent, you see. Like it is, I've had so many people, like me and one of my best friends, Feaser, like we actively, like we have plans to, we, he lives in New York, I live in Atlanta, we have plans to actively like watch tourist sauce this fall and then FaceTime afterwards and just got to get this up. Like, so he texted me as soon as it came out on Monday morning. I was like, you're on the Fedora 5, I was like, oh yeah, this is fantastic. So yeah, it's, you know, as I was starting to play well, kind of in the middle of the summer here. I'm like, we need a new, we need a new list coming out. So I might be able to have a chance to get on it. - You're gonna get out of that Tobi Fleetwood, you know, mental, mental pressure situation. You have to watch out. I know that's gonna be, it's gonna be overwhelming. - Can we think about TV and cover down the stretches? - No, granted, I think there were 11 guys on that addition of the Fedora 5. It was Chicara, Tommy Morrison. - We might need a better, we might need a challenger track for the Fedora 5 as well. - Well, there wasn't corn fairy Instagram post in the Tweed, putting Tommy Morrison in the Fedora 5 and they took it down and I wasn't on it, either. - And then second question on that note. You are above average on like, you're better than average on all of the pace of play stuff. - Yeah. - That the Corn fairy tour publishes, which I think is awesome. Both that they're publishing and that you like sponsor's exemption. - Let's go. - Oh, that's right, it's not gonna be coming up the system. - Yeah, get 'em out there. - Let's play, you're like top 20 in approach play kind of speed. Like is that something that you've seen guys talking about, guys looking at kind of naming names now of hey, you are objectively slow or you're objective. - Yeah, kinda, it's like, I mean, my whole philosophy is, guys, speed the fuck up, what are we doing? Like, it doesn't take that long to hit a golf shot. And it's like, obviously there's gonna be circumstances where there's going to be like, there's gonna be a win switch and you're gonna have to back off and change clubs. Or there's gonna be a putt that means a lot that's really hard, but you gotta look at it from a little bit further. But it's like, man, if you've got a pitching wedge to a center pen, like, hit the damn thing. Like, what are we doing? And so just to see, like, the guys that, like, and it's, for us, it's kind of subjective to when the volunteer is hitting the button, signifying that it's our turn to play. But it's like, it's pretty accurate. Yeah, it's like, it's like, yeah, guys, like, if you're, like, if you're taking, like, eight seconds over to hit an approach shot, it's like, that's move it along. And so the volunteers here, like, don't start that clock yet. They're still putting up their, do not start that clock yet. But yeah, it's like, I've always, like, I move quickly, like, through stuff, like, I'm not trying to go fast. Like, I think where I have slotted in, like, all the time slots is pretty good. Like, I don't want to be last, and I don't want to be first. Like Dylan's first on everything. He plays so fast. It is, like, it's like playing a two-some, went to a three-some, if he's in your group. Like, he is half a hole ahead the entire time. So it's like, I do everything quickly, but it's like, I've gotten to the point where it's like, hey, man, if I'm standing over a seven iron, and I'm taking more than 20 seconds to hit this, like, there's going to be something terrible happen rather than good. And so it's like, yeah, just probably all the times, like, for everybody, like, call out the guys on tour, 'cause it doesn't get faster. It takes so long to play. It's terrible. - I did want to ask you some corn fairy tour questions, 'cause, you know, you've been out there a couple of years. You've gotten to know a lot of the different guys for people who don't follow the tour. All that closely, I wanted to ask you some more, kind of, superlative type of stuff. So outside of yourself, who's your favorite golf swing on the corn fairy tour right now? And this is going to be funny, 'cause he doesn't like his own golf swing a lot of the time. I really like the way Dylan Manetti swings it. It's just like a super laggy, like, gets to the top, and it's gotten less since we were kids, but it's just, it's super laggy, super fun to watch. You just, like, like I said, he gets up there and then five seconds, all of a sudden, he's just smackin' the thing and it's just gone. And it's, I've always enjoyed watching him swing the club. He was very fun to watch at the old course. He was like, very old-school-looking player. Yeah, just kind of, just small guy, but it hits it hard, violent. It's just, it's a cool, it's a cool move. It's a cool move, shit is. Best short game. Best short game, I'm gonna say David Shore. I played with him on Saturday and Boise, and if he missed a green, and he's done it for years, like I've played with him a bunch. If he misses a green, like, you feel like the chips got a good chance of going in. And then if he hits a bad chip, he's a really good putter. And it's also probably gone in. David Shore sounds like a, like, a, you know, alt country, clear that, like, can he chose the beach country? It could be like a festival to countries. We're going out of danger. We're all for good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Adam with a lift. Yeah, who's, who's the most comfy pairing for you right now on the corn fairy tour? If you get the text on who you're playing with tomorrow? I'd love playing, and I've played with him a bunch this year, Hunter Eichhorn. He's, we've known each other for a long time. He grew up in the U.P. and Michigan. He's got his, his girlfriend Sarah Caddy's foreign. And she's a really great, really great caddy. And they're, they're fun hanging out there. I've gotten the plot with them a bunch this year. And I'm always excited when that text comes through. Marquette guy. Yeah, who's the most underrated game on the corn fairy tour? Because I, you know, I will say, like, I don't watch a ton of it on TV. I kind of follow the leaderboard. I watch the points list. But what's not coming through the stats? That's a good question. I was thinking about that this morning. And I'm going to say, I've played with him. I don't know if I played with him this year, but I played with him a bunch last year. I'm going to say, Will Cannon. He's a shorter guy. He doesn't kill the ball. But he works, like, just works dogmatically out there every week. And he is, like, any time I'm on the putting green, he's grinding on the putting green. Like, he's getting his, getting his feet dialed for aim point. And he, like, when he's rolling the ball, like, when he's rolling it, he makes more pots than I've ever seen anybody make. And he just gets so much out of his game for, like, the style with which he plays. And it's, it's, it's very impressive. Watching Will out there and, and, you know, going through his weekly process of, of getting it all prepared and ready to go. That's a good one. It's five foot seven. You guys got it. But you guys would be a heck of a heck of a big and tall or big and small. Yeah, exactly. You and Randy, you guys are walking through the college campus. Maybe swing it a bit between your arms. The, uh, I threw this on my, on my list as well. So for kind of, you know, these guys that we know are probably, probably headed to the PJ tour. I went down the next five on the points list after you give me, like, a not personality wise, not look wise, just like game wise. Uh, who do these players remind you of on the current PJ tour? Start with, with Doc Redmond. What's, what's his game like? I'm going to say, I'm going to say Russell Henley. Um, he's just like, when you play with Doc, he's just, he's hitting it in the right spots and he's hitting it, like, just over and over. It's like the drive's going on the right side of the fairway. Or he's missing the right spot. He's hitting his, his irons into the proper side of greens. And then once he's on the greens, he's probably making the puts that he's hitting. Um, so that's been, I think, I think that's pretty fitting for Doc there. What's great. Ian Holt, I don't know much about it all Ian, I, I went through the PGA tour. I went through the list A to Z a couple times this morning trying to figure out a comparison for Ian. And I think I'm going to go with, uh, Corey Connors, just watching him. I could watch Ian hit balls on the driving range for hours. Like his swings just really rhythmic, like super smooth. It's just a real fluid motion that, you know, you really, really like watching and hearing the ball come off of both Kent State guys too. Yeah. I bet that played into my, played into my selection process for the models. Yeah. Uh, okay. Alistair Dockerty. Snicks. Uh, I'm going to say Victor Hovland. He, uh, and I was kind of trying, I was honestly, I was kind of trying to match guy's swings. And they don't, they don't swing it at all similarly. But in my head, it's the same swing and it, it's not even close. But I was thinking about it and it's like, yeah, this, this works and, and, uh, yeah, Alistair. He hits it. It kind of very stereotypical of like a young kid coming up, a kid, a young guy coming up now. It hits it a long way, like, hits his irons good. And like when he puts, well, that week, it is, it's really, really impressive stuff. Uh, Kulshurwood. Camilla. no hesitation. No hesitation stamp it. Like me and sure would have been really good friend since we were probably 15 years old and he I'm not going to say swings it robotically because it's not robotic like there's it's like and there's a artistic like it's made in the lab. Basically it sounds yeah and it's just so good like you it's kind of the same thing it's like if you're going if you're going to watch people on a driving range you're going to end up standing behind sure what when he's hitting shots because it's just it's just every time it's just really really pretty stuff to watch. It's great you should give me excited. Tommy Morrison's the last one. I struggled on this one. I don't know. It might be not a lot of guys that look like him out there. Yeah no there's not yeah and I was trying to go through it. How tall is he six nine six nine six 10 like he makes me feel short when I'm standing next to him which is not easy to do. Your bio says you're six five but you say you're six six which like normally yeah yeah usually I yeah it's because when I was a kid like if if you tell someone in a store you're six six they start putting me in 36 inching pants and those are a little too long so just kind of stuck on six five for a while. But Tommy. Tommy. Yeah exactly. We could yeah me Randy and Tommy start to look like staying terrified of freshness. Big tall trees. It's the best of all two. Yeah for Tommy. I don't really like I was trying to think of tall guys out there and it's like you know you got there's Sammy Valemaki. He's a big dude but I don't think I don't think they really play very similarly. I mean you know maybe like he doesn't swing it like Gary Woodland but Gary Woodland like they look kind of similar if you add eight inches to Gary. So I don't Tommy's kind of in a world of his own honestly like I played with him last week and he is very very good at golf like it just it it's it's it's impressive stuff. It seems like seems like there's some dudes coming from the car tour which is the very fun to follow this year. You know like this is a cartel of capital details. I'm asking troops like a bar. Yeah they're ready to ready to store. Yeah exactly. What's what's an event on the calendar for next year that you're like I'm I'm so stoked to go play this one like number one on the list of like I cannot wait to play blank tournament next year. I'm there's there's a couple of them I'd say a waste management like that's one that it's like I would that looks like so much fun and I love playing in front of an audience of people like that's one of my favorite things about like moving up in golf is like being like we are performers at the end of the day like being and being able to perform and show like people what can happen and so that one waste management be really cool. You know obviously like the if I finished one and get to playing the majors and the players like those are super high but the one that's always been near and dear to my heart was the John deer next year. I was I was really fortunate to get a sponsored exemption into that my first year out on tour and you know growing up in the Midwest that's always been kind of like Zach Johnson says the fifth major and it's it's not the fifth major. We say that as well. But it's it's it's super cool like it's a super well run event in T.C. like I remember you saying you went to it last year with your kids and it's it's so much fun like when you're on when you're on property like it is amazing like it's so much fun um and so that one will be cool and then Sally you're going to love this I can't wait to play a Tory like I I love Tory pines it is it's it's it's such like it's for sure it's it's great like once you're I am on TV it's a little sleepy but it's like when you're there it's so much fun like it's so hard and it's it's just a like big brawny ballpark to go just hit some drivers I can't believe you seem to be incredibly familiar with our weird universe but I can't believe this we've made it an hour without without discussing here my brother we're in the we're in the brotherhood together here. Part four are he doesn't know it. Part four aces yes a legend I think people saw years go in right nobody saw Sally's go in yeah mine mine has witnesses to say it went in the hall for sure. Yeah what's the story what's the story there. So 15 15 toll in Chicago's like it's kind of a little turn the corner part four is 350 issuards and someday we're playing and get up there and I just I lace one straight at the pen and I just hammer it and we it's going right at it but it's it's weird it's kind of a weird hole because there's a big slope on the right side of the green that kicks every ball that lands on it just dead left and it like back right pen and we thought there was no way a ball could get close to the pen and so it's going right at it and there's a bunch of people standing up around the green and we hear this noise and it's like everybody goes oh and I know what the hell just happened and I look at someone and someone in the crowds that was standing behind the tea goes it went in and I was like yeah there's no way it went in and so I say to Craig my caddy I was like did it go in and he's like I can't see it and I was like well that's a good point I can't either but as we're walking up the the scoreboard has already changed and I go from 19 to 22 on it and it's like that seems like it went in here and we're and we're walking up and as we get up there everybody around the green it's just like pumping their hands and just going crazy and sure enough I walk up and it's it's in the in the bottom of the hole and just wild just absolutely no expectation whatsoever just pick it up and it goes and yeah so that was pretty at another thing to add to the list of things that are sick. Did you move up the board at all with that going from 19 to 22? I went backwards about five spots yeah um yeah I think I moved up I think I moved from like T6 to solo third and then potted my way around the last three holes and one over to still finish solo third so that was fun that's so sick. What's uh it was pretty sweet. Like you strike me as a golf a golf tragic a golf sicko like when you're not playing you know like like ramping up for a professional tournament or whatever like are you taking golf trips or are you you know just going and playing for fun? I yes I play for like I play for fun seven days a week like if I'm not playing in an event like I I'm not I'm not real good about golf trips um because I don't know it I feel like it's hard to like figure it out but like I if I'm not playing an event like I'll play in practice every day like I just love it like and I told DJ about this in Chicago but it's like I just have this romantic view on golf clubs and like like finding old stuff that works and it's like my putters from 2007 that I got off of eBay and it's like my my wood fairway shafts and my hybrids from eBay like it's all like there's just I just really enjoy the like that that search and that hunt for some old nostalgic golf club that is really cool so yeah sometimes it works out really well and I start like my putter for instance like I got it and I got it in April this year off of eBay started using it and I've now hoarded five more of them I just ordered another one a couple of days so it's uh it's an old tailor-made rosa de tona it's uh it's one of the like solid milled ones and uh I was using you know everybody in their mother is using a spider right now so this early this season I was like yeah I should use a spider use it for a little while did not work for me like great putter but not for me so I was like I just need a blade here I just need something that's just a solid piece of metal and yeah it's been great and I have seven of them now and I saw on your your bio like because this kind of reminded me of me and Neil as well like I remember saving up and I bought a Heidelist 975 f three wood the first year it came out and then Neil Neil saved up and he bought he had the 1983 E when he should have had the K and it just devastated him that he like it was exacerbating the stuff that he's gonna say that was like the fade bias that'll never happen again but it sounds like you had kind of a similar thing like you were like I was the same thing I was pressure washing and dog sitting it sounds like you you were doing dog sitting back when yeah I was dog walking I walked dog and my neighborhood grown up and when I was 14 I think I got my 13 or 14 I got my first new golf club it was a title is 910 seven wood and it was just like I remember just just saving up and saving up and being like man I really want this club and getting it and it's like this is so cool because it's like before my both of my parents were teachers so it's like I wasn't growing up at country clubs with new clubs every year like I was scrounging around in big 50 gallon trash buckets of just wedges and irons and just looking for something that might ever work and so yeah it was there's the kind of that anticipation of like, oh my God, this is a new golf club. This is so exciting. I don't mean to uncork another hour of conversation here, but how does that factor into like, are you a golf swing nut? Or are you just like, like, I would imagine if you grow up that way, you're kind of like, I just got to make it work. I don't know, you know, is that very much? I'm curious if that's kind of carried through to, you know, high level success. Yeah. So like me and me and Jake, my coach, like, we both kind of grew up in that same, like mindset of like, hey, we're just going to make it work here. And it's like, my, my thing is like, I'll call him to complain. Like, oh, my, I'm not cutting it. And he's like, well, just swing across it a little more. And it's like, oh, well, I'm not drawn at very well. He's like, just hook it, man, like, just figure it out. And it's like, and that's kind of the way that I've always played golf. Like, people, like, I had teammates in college that would ask me, like, what are you thinking about when you're trying to hit a cut? And I'm like, I don't know, man, I just cut it. Like that's exactly it's kind of it. Like, I have a track man, but it's like, I have like three titles that give me numbers, like every time I have no idea what any of the rest of them mean. So what are you most focused on then carry distance? Like, that's about it. Like, carry and spin. And then that's kind of all I look at and how high I fly out there. Yeah, exactly. All right, we'll get you out of here on this, put you on the spot with this one. But everybody's always got like a good, this is how not glamorous, you know, secondary levels of professional golf are travel story, bad hotel, rental car, bad rate, something. What is what comes to mind of like a low point in the travels in some way? That's not golf related. So I'd say just on the whole, like, trying to do laundry at a fair field in an Omaha, Nebraska at like eight a.m. on a Monday morning is just the bottom of the barrel as far as travel goes. But then I had a, and I don't remember the, I don't remember the people's names, which is probably a good thing. But I had a host house set up in Omaha my first year out. And I texted with the people like they were like, oh, yeah, if I come in your rooms in the basement, whatever, like the front door will be unlocked. And I get there. It's one a.m. like I just flown in from Salt Lake or whatever, get in there. And there's a, like I get in, lay down and all of a sudden there's a dog pawing on the door from the outside. And some of the guy knocks on the door and is like, hey, do you mind if the dog sleeps in your room? This is usually his room. And I'm like, like, what? I was like, like, no, preferably not tonight. And, uh, and he's like, oh, okay, just, just so you know, the dog's probably going to bark then. So then the dog's barking for like two hours straight just right outside my door. As I don't know, I, I, I didn't work on the door. I, uh, I, I packed my stuff up. I, I sent him a text the next morning and I was out of the house at like six. And I was like, hey, I'm not feeling great. I'm going to go stay in the hotel the rest of the week. And I just never saw any of them just left. And, uh, so that was, that was the most unique experience traveling, having the, the barking dog outside of my door in a host house. That's great. All right. We're going to let you out of there out of here on that one. Hopefully some tournament directors are listening to this one. Hopefully we see on the PGA tour, uh, some of this fall. The best of luck with the corn fairy tour finals. And yeah, we're looking forward to watching you next year out on the, uh, on the PGA tour. But thanks for your time. Really, really appreciate it and great get to know you. Absolutely. Thank you guys for having me. This has been a blast. Cheers.