Rosalía on Nudity, Flamenco, and Walking Like Naomi Campbell Fashion Neurosis

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This is something extraordinary for everyone, - and their style advisors can guide you, - making the search for the perfect gift - at every price point totally effortless. Head to Neman Marcus for a truly unforgettable holiday. Hi, come in. Neman Marcus for a truly wonderful holiday. - Thank you. Thank you for having me. Can you tell me what you're wearing today, - and why you chose these particular clothes? Today I'm wearing a black cardigan that I've had for years. And I'm wearing these black skirts and these. Alexander McQueen shoes. And they have these cross, - as if they were in Rosario and Ellas. And I've decided to wear these, - because I think I wanted to be my energy and expression - to be on the forefront. And some days, I think that I want my clothes to speak for me. And today I wanted to find the words myself. And I feel like clothes can be like a spell. They have that power. I feel like sometimes clothes, they have that power - that they can change the way your day is going to be. They can dictate how your day is going to be. And I think that when you make the decision of wearing a certain thing - that can change the way your day is. And I think that today I just wanted to make myself available - for this conversation and for words to be more important than what I wear. And I think that this cardigan helps me think. And it helps me speak if that makes sense. Yeah, it does make real sense. I think a good outfit can kind of facilitate your intelligence - because it doesn't distract you from your thoughts. Right. And so what you've described is such a perfect way of anticipating - how you want what you want to enhance. Yeah, because clothes sometimes depending on the outfit - it can make something happen or not happen. It can take you somewhere. It can stop you from going somewhere. There are shoes that I've worn that literally they took me back home - right away. And maybe subconsciously I just wanted to go in first place. So yeah, I tried to be conscious of what I choose to wear every morning. That's so interesting. And you're a multi-award-winning musician - and you have created this new genre of music. Did I? Yeah, I mean it's devoured by your fans all over the world. And you described that when you're writing, you sometimes feel so sick - that you have to lie down. Is that to do with the intensity of your expectation? Definitely. I'm sure it does. And actually, I think the best result that I get is writing. It's laying just as I am right now. And I was wondering, it's pretty funny that we are doing it like these - because I wonder if we will get good results - in a conversation like this, as much as I get when I write like this. Because usually I write with a pillow. Really? Oh my god. With a pillow on my head. Rest in my head in a pillow. Then I have my computer in my belly. Then I basically just write like this. And it helps me relax. Because otherwise, I think that I find it pretty hard to just be on a table - and a chair trying to create. It's too formal. There's too much, maybe anticipation there. You know? Well, when I'm just laying, it's like, okay, nothing needs to happen. And then maybe something happens. You know? It's interesting how certain positions kind of free your system. To explore a little bit. And then you just note them down when those things come up. Yes, yes. And it helps me kind of shut down a little bit. Which is necessary if you want something to come to you. If you want to be a vessel, I think that you need to kind of erase yourself a little bit. And I love that state of about to fall asleep. The state of about to fall asleep, it's the most relaxed one. Sometimes when about to fall asleep at night, it's when ideas come. So I try to find that during the day as much as I can. And I feel tired also when I write. I feel really tired. I feel there's exhaustion. And I think that laying helps me be less exhausted. That makes any sense. I think it's so interesting this thing of letting a part of yourself switch off in order of. Or even suppressing something in order to allow something else to come up. And I was reading that you took part in a talent contest when you were 15. Which I was such a kind of courageous thing to do. And I wondered where you go to draw on that kind of. You know, the courage to dare to try something like that. I mean, it was a huge success. I think that I always wanted to be a performer since I was very young. I've always had the desire, I think, to share and love and be loved and see and be seen. And I think that when I was young, I wanted to do that just being on stage. And I had no idea how that could happen. How could I do it in a big dimension also? Because I really enjoy when extreme situations and extreme. Yeah, the extremes. I find beauty in singing for five people, but I also find so much beauty in singing for a thousand. I think that I wanted to open that door. And I didn't know how that door. How can you do it? I basically just found that there was this program. And I was like, "I'm just going to go. I'm going to do this casting. And I'm going to sing this song that I've been hearing. And I'm just going to do this and fuck it." And I did it and it helped me realize that I needed to study so much, study music and study the classics and read. And, you know, like I wanted to actually write what I sing and explain stories and be a channel to explain stories. And choose what stories I was going to explain. And so basically it was just a journey, a huge journey of understanding what I was going to do. means to be a performer and a musician and a writer and how much this has been changing through years. The more I change, the more I grow, the more that idea changes with me and I'm grateful for that. Because the writing seems such a key part of your work and the way you use language is so complex and so remarkable. You throw out these contradictions which are really thrilling to listen to, especially with your new album and the languages you use but the words you choose and I found that very touching because I'm interested in language and I've been obsessed with languages, a kind of tool of power when you're a young girl, especially and you have no physical power, but you have the power of your words and there was something that really that was so affecting reading all the lyrics. Thank you for saying that because I'm fascinated by music and sounds but I also have lots of love for words and I think that a lot of times when I've made albums I think that albums were the excuse to use words but I think that in this case it's the opposite and I think that I decided to make an album from the love of for words and I dedicated just one year of reading and writing, just reading and writing and isolation, lots of isolation and just how would it look? Putting myself in service of that, of just the writing and there are maybe things that I've said in this album that I I didn't allow myself to say before and I think I find something so how would it be? I find pleasure in contrast. Yeah and I think that there's some of that in in the project too. Yeah, really comes through, it's very exciting. Thank you. I'm glad that you like it. I love it. It makes me happy and when you obsessed with certain clothes as a child, oh yes, I love the crazy colors, colorful outfits, how do you say the colors? Anything that had she like a puffiness and volume and anything that occupied space. I think I've always liked that a lot. I definitely was obsessed with my mom's coat at this green coat. She had this long green coat that it was not that it wasn't that agradable to touch, it was not so agradable but the color that was like such a vibrant green, like olive kind of and I remember her, my mom wearing this super long blonde curly hair with her coat and it would look so amazing and I remember I would get obsessed with things that other people would wear like like the women in my life I think and I remember so much my sister wearing this short, super short mini skirt, the quadros, like coceces and these boxer boots and she was the coolest. Wow. She was the coolest. There was nobody else in our little town that would wear things like that and she was the coolest and then my grandma she would wear scars and you know panuelos de seda and gold rings and long nails. Yes, so like the women in my life they always put me in fashion. Yeah. You know like the love I have for fashion, it probably is thanks to them a lot. It has to do with them. If I wasn't a musician, if I wasn't a woman who grew up with these women too, maybe I think that I would do such a different thing and I probably wouldn't have developed the love that I have for fashion. It's great to have those role models who show you how to wear things especially going off you know out of convention and absolutely being able to kind of go beyond people's judgment of you. Yes. They show you that there's possibilities. Like I love when somebody an artist, a person who ever just shows you that there's alternatives, ways, possibilities different than what we are used to. Yeah. I admire always that. And how did you manage your transition from girl to woman? That's such a great question. Nobody has ever asked me that. I think it was, I don't know if I can mark it on a specific moment, but I definitely remember when I was 28, something started to shift. I remember starting to care less about male attention and starting to care less about what I was actually wearing or what other person would think. That makes sense. So it would start expressing myself more through what it actually gives me satisfaction. And I thought that that was such a different way of being in the world and I started feeling more of a woman than a girl if that makes sense. Yeah. When I started hearing more about how do I feel instead of how am I perceived? Yeah. I feel like those journeys are so connected to one's mother as well. And I found that transition quite stilted because my mother didn't guide me really. Right. And I think it sounds like you have a great relationship with your mother and it. It's an important sort of figure. Yeah. And also it's very small. I think being noticed really as you grow into your womanhood is the kind of reassurance to then explode into it and enjoy it. Like you mean being seen a bit guided? Yeah. Is there any way to be guided really to that? Because the way somebody becomes an adult, fully an adult, it's such an internal thing that I don't know like if somebody can really guide you through it. I'm like it's interesting. I'm interested in if you think that that's possible. Like I wonder if it is, I would love to know because one day I'm a mother, which I really hope so. I would love to know how to do that. I definitely, though I definitely remember that I would rebel a little bit against how much my mom was always so poised, like so like ready for the day. In a way where it was like almost annoying how good she always looked, how amazing her makeup was always so important and the hair and the teeth and the teeth and the heel and everything. And I was like wait but you still have so much value and you still are so amazing if you don't do that. So be a little bit like, fuck it. I can be amazing even if I don't straight my hair, put my hair straight every day or I don't do this and that. Like my value, it's beyond it. Yeah, I think that the head of phase of that also when I was about to become 30 I think. Yeah, it's a real turning point 30. It feels yes. I always remember thinking I'll be so old when I'm 30 but it was only realised that when I turned 30 how young I was and I suddenly thought oh my god this is great this 30. 20 years. so loaded with these awful achievements that you're supposed to have made. In your case, you actually have made them. It's pretty incredible. But in the end, at the end of the 20s, I feel like if we evaluate what people consider a success or whatever, I feel like some came on the end of my 20s. But I think that my confidence and how I, how I, how I, how I exist in the world, it's much better now in my 30s. Yeah, yeah. It's relaxing and it is so young and it's wonderful because you have this experience of life and you. I feel like it's possible to enjoy it more. Yeah, 100% and I like a lot that you talk about 30s as a moment of youth because nowadays I think it's so usual to see how much. How much value people put in teenager years or the 20s as if that's like the past woman and the youth, the real youth. And what is youth now? I like that you extend it to 30s or maybe even more. It goes on. Yeah. So, "Port from Fashion, Neurosis comes from Neiman Marcus. The holidays are approaching and you can let the special people in your life know just how special they are with a gift from Neiman Marcus. Even if you have someone who's particularly hard to shop for, Neiman Marcus has lots of categories to help fulfill the perfect gift. 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That's why I think that either something that you consider a strength or something that you consider a weakness, both can catalithar, both can be the starting point. But maybe the excuse that you use to do something, to build something or to destroy something. Yeah, I think that in my case, through years I've been going to the gym a lot and sometimes more than I needed, sometimes less than I needed. And I think it's been because I find that my body is an instrument to communicate. It's an instrument and instrumentist. So instrument to instrumentist Alabe. And the violin and the violin. And that has took me to different places. And I think that I'm grateful that it's the case because I learn through years how to push less my instrument and use it with more love and learn how my instrument can be more. Afinado menos más temperados, más. in a better place. Refined? Yes. Yeah, I love that word. Yes. Because you often refer to how someone moves and it's. It's as though you're attuned to think with your body and is there a garment someone wears that draws your attention to this? I think that what draws my attention since I was young, it's the rock star. Look. Because at home. Yes, because in my family they would play a lot of rock music. So I would know that it's the weekend because they would play music. During the week there would be no musical home. But then I knew it Saturday, Sunday because of it. And they would. There would always be like CDs of. Johnny Joblin and Prince and Freddie Mercury, you know, and like all these amazing. Or Mike Mick Jagger, like my mom was obsessed with him. And his mouth and his outfits, his pants, tight pants and these volumes here. I just found it, or Lenny Krabitz. God, yeah, I love the way he dresses. What? That's the best. That's the best, like this man. I found so much courage in the way he. He styles himself. And I love the way he does it. And there's something irreburent in the rock star. Look, and that occupies his pace and that can be like from voyeurne and fun. And I really like that. It draws my attention a lot. And sometimes when I don't feel like. I don't feel strong enough. I look like that can make me feel strong again. So definitely I find there's power in it. Because you trained in flamenco, which is a very serious discipline. It has also the air of being the most sexual dance. And I wondered if it influences your romantic love, the whole restraint and the intensity of it. Oh wow. I mean, I think that there's so much passion in flamenco. And in that culture, in that way also. Like some flamenco artists, they say that flamenco, it's a way of living. It's culture, right? So there's passion in that way of dancing, in like a Takoneari, like just a stump. You call it "Stump the floor"? Yeah. In stamping the floor. There's a rage in it. There's a lot of rage. There's a lot of. What's the word? What's it called? And complain. There's a lot of complain. And there's a lot of like. Like there's dance, and playfulness, and tragedy. And for agility and strength at the same time, there's all of it. Like it feels to me like flamenco is the most complete human expression that could exist. And it's a very personal opinion of course, but because it has it all. Like the whole human experience is condensed in that music. And in that dance and in that culture. And that's why it's so beautiful, it's so rich, because so many cultures, they came together, they found each other, they didn't need to explode it, and it's a music and it's a culture that shows that, that merge, that mix. And I think that in my life, in my romantic life, I definitely think that I always do a border with that passion. It's a lot of intensity, a lot of. A lot of wanting to give to the other, and wanting to receive. But I'm also always very scared, I think, of the human interaction in terms of love, and fully showing yourself, and fully receiving the other. So even if I'm so excited about it, I also found it extremely scary. Yeah, it seems the kind of ultimate revealing of yourself to be engaged in that dance, wherever it is, whether it's in a relationship or on a stage, it's so raw, and so sort of ecstatic. I always. I remember going to see Pakadilusia, like when I was the teenager or something, doing calm and. Here at the Sadler's World. and I was kind of slightly obsessed when I was young. Yes, I don't blame you. It's so good. Yeah, I wish I would have seen Camarón. Camarón, it's my obsession. Like here's my favorite artist of all. Right. And they would play together. And whoever has seen this two play together, I think they are the luckiest people in the world. Wow. I would have loved to. I read that you said you have an appetite for risk. And I wondered what risk means to you. What risk means? Maybe risky is when you don't know what the outcome is going to be. When you stop controlling, risky surrender also. I think that risk is so connected to surrender. I think that the times that I've risked the most is the times that I've abandoned myself to the situation or the experience. And I find also like risk as something that it has to do with fun. And something I've done always allow myself to experience. Because I think that I'm a control freak. And I think that that's why I think that I like also to take risks. Because it takes me to the opposite place where I naturally would live in. I would naturally live in the control where I know what the outcome is. And I think that I, as a human, I learn much more. And I push much more when I'm in the other side. And I chose this work. I chose to be a musician and an artist. I think because that's what makes me always have to take risks. I don't know how to make music in another way. Like I wish that I would be content with just making songs and not, I don't know, making a song over and over the same song. There's like musicians that they do that. And they are, it seems that they are satisfied with that. And I can't find a dissatisfaction in that at all. And that would be actually my biggest nightmare to make the same song over and over. But maybe I'm lying. And maybe I'm always doing the same song over and over just with different codes in different ways. But I'm actually repeating the same sheet over and over because some people say that artists have obsessions. People have obsessions. We do have obsessions. We all do. And maybe those are the late motifs that, you know, that we are always, our life is always like turning around our life around the same themes, the same themes, and the same questions. And maybe we never find the answer and that's okay. Well, you seem to be pushing the boundaries in a way that everyone's responding to with a lot of excitement and delight. I think it's good to have the sort of things that we know we love because they spark off the new ideas. So sometimes when I think, if I strand myself trying to find something new and go too far from what's like the two wires going together that spark something, now I'm older, I have more confidence in my methods, but I'm definitely not repeating myself. It's me anyway. Okay, so there's hope. Well, I hardly think that needs to be your worry at this moment with this amazing piece of work you've just made. And in your photographs, you have this kind of ravishing old masters' piety about your poses. And do you look at paintings for ideas? Because in the pictures I've looked at you, there's quite a lot of light catching, like in Vermeer or in Caravaggio, there's love, these beautiful kind of attention to like your element of purity and also very sensuous. I think, I mean, the only thing that I can actually put on the table when I'm being photographed, if that's what you're referring to, like the pictures, I think that the only thing that I can really put on the table is the poses and the energy. So I think that I'm passionate about movies and photography a lot, and I try to collaborate with people that they seem to have a point of view. They seem to have a story to explain. They seem to be excited to explain things and not just capture something, which is nice also. But if there's something pictorical in pictures that you've seen, maybe it's because I've been lucky to be shot by amazing artists. And I love the painting and definitely there's a lot of poses that I might have done that are from a painting that I have seen or sculpture that I have seen. The question is, how do you think about the world in the past two or three years? I've been looking at the shop in the past and I've been looking at the world in the past, and I've been looking at the world in the past. The world is a world that has a lot of pictures and the world is a painting that I have seen or sculpture. I've been looking at the world in the past and I've been looking at the world in the past. But maybe it's also from studying Naomi and studying Kate and studying the greatest. How do they do it when they are in front of the camera and they do it so effortless and gracefully? I love Naomi walks, for example. I can wait for one day to see her again and be like Naomi, can you please? I know her for just a couple of times that we've seen each other quickly. I just can't wait to ask her to teach me. I really would love to just learn how to walk in the way that she does it. I think that everything is like there's a vestidarius, a vestidarius, alpha beds, there's a vestidarius, ABCDEFG, everything. I would love to learn that one. I would love to, I feel like I want to be a student of everything. That one of the things that through years I feel like I've been able to experiment with it but not study it all the way. I would love to study it. I know that some people think they kind of like, how they say, in Fravalora, they underestimate models' job. I agree. I think that that's so dumb because there's such an art in master your energy and your corporalities. There's so much magic in that and I love how close Evinie explains stories with her face and body and with her styling too. I think that there's so much beauty to be done in that field. And some people think that models they just stand there and leave and it's so difficult probably to be a model and be always called or always feel like freezing. You know, like go through all the sheet that they have to go through. They are great artists. Kate and Naomi are, they're just phenomenons. And that walk you describe of Naomi's is just electrifying. Everyone goes still and is completely transfigured. Kate, you know when she talked about her body being a vehicle for people's ideas to project on it. It's such an interesting, similar thing to that you said. It's such an interesting notion that that is how you enact your sort of genius by being it, I suppose. It's a form of performance, isn't it? - Yeah. - And you become a mirror. - Yeah. - You become a mirror. I think that the greatest thing that can happen as an artist is that you erase yourself and that you disappear and that you become the mirror or the vessel or whatever you have to become in order for people to find in your expression or in whatever you're sharing, whatever they needed to find. I don't like when people ask you, oh, what did you want to say with this or in a specifics or what do you expect people to feel like? As if you could prepare a specific thing for them to feel or you could control, or have any decision in what is going to happen, you know what I mean? Like you're supposed to maybe just follow an urgency - That's correct. - And then share that, materialize that, and then have the courage to share it. And then what else is there to be done? I don't think that there's much more to be done than that. - Yeah, well that's everything. Like when you describe letting go of the outcome, it's that's when the kind of chemistry takes place. You made an interesting observation. You said in a cubist painting, which part do you choose? Like was that to illustrate the absurdity of reducing so much into one thing? And I was thinking which Spanish artist do you find has the most duende? - Oh, the question is difficult. - It depends on the field, right? But even if we're just speaking about painters, I think that Picasso has as much duende as Dalí or Galadalí. So it's hard to choose, but I think that Picasso had something, something different. - Yeah. - Yeah, like it was very raw. I like that. And I admire also the commitment in the different phases, right, in different stages. It happens. I like when somebody decides that they are going through a phase and that's what they're doing and they get obsessed with it and they, with a color, with whatever it is. And then they just let themselves get lost in that. And but Dalí, I also love how spiritual, some Dalí paintings could, they can be and or how like bizarre also they could be. And yeah, it's hard for me to choose. I really like Lorca too. - Yeah. - I really like Lorca. - Yeah, Picasso just never stops shocking you with his brilliance and his surprises and how moving everything is. I just love seeing more and more and more of his work. - He's amazing. - Oh, sorry. - No, he just seems to be like everything about Spain that has so much imagination and scope and integrity. - Support for fashion neurosis comes from Neiman Marcus. Gourmet treats, coveted it bags, elegant timepieces, stunning jewelry and much, much more. 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This holiday season, you can explore a wide range of unique and splendid gifts from Neiman Marcus for a truly unforgettable holiday. You're able to create these huge artistic concepts for your work and your music. When I was listening to your new album and how enormous it is and how much there is, and I was thinking about generals and novels like about war, like Lem Is Arablan, these generals who have this huge military plan in their heads and it's vast, and they haven't even seen all the land, it's all on maps, and it's like, "It's almost like you're holding this huge thing in your head, and I wondered if you had a heroic figure in art or literature who you refer to sometimes when you're thinking that big." Hmm. "Oh, what it be?" "Maybe you don't need one, it's you." I guess. [laughs] "You're doing so successfully." I gotta say, I gotta say that there's definitely so many artists that are inspiring like Patis Meeth or Marina Brahmovic or like Pinabal, or like, there's so many great women, Kate Bush. Oh, yes. [laughs] Yeah, I mean, a woman being able to produce like that and write like that and sing like that and make videos like that and dance like that and dress like that, like, or day before we were like, [laughs] there's so many, right, that they are so good, but when I'm doing my job, because it can be so overwhelming, the dimension of it, which I cannot complain about because I really desired it. I really wanted it. I wanted to experience this. I remember when I was younger, I would be like, God, take me, take me as far as you want. Like, push me. Push me to the limit. Push me to a place where I'm, I think I cannot hold it. Like, take me there because I really want to see myself like, at that place where maybe I'm about to like, crush. And because I really wanted it, I think that through years it's been building so slowly, that I feel like I just focus on small things. And that's where really helps me get through the day and really helps me make a plan that maybe is a five-year plan, but or ten-year plan, but I can still, it still can make sense every day. And I try to just, when I do something, just do one thing at a time. Like, that's maybe the thing that has really helped me still do what I do. Because otherwise I think I would have burned out. At this rhythm of things, where everything goes so fast, if I focus on the dumbest shit, like just tight or untied my shoes, or if I speak to someone, I look at them in the eyes. Or if I, cool, I just move the spoon and I don't try to do anything else. Or if I hear music, I just hear music. And if I make a song, I just make a song. And if I make a plan on how to share that song, because now the song is done, I'm just going to share it then, boom, I just focus on that. But I think that I'm just human. I'm imperfect. And I live in an imperfect world. And then I just try to be closest to what's perfect, which is the divine. And I try to stay close to God as much as I can. And I, I try to remember to breathe. And I try to remember to pray every night before falling asleep. I always pray on Father and on the way. And then I usually do it until I don't remember. I just felt asleep. I just felt asleep. And simple things helped me stay in my centre. Yeah. There's also your stratospheric popularity makes you a focus of envy for some people. And I wondered how you deal with envy. How I deal with envy. It's interesting. I've never been asked that. I think I don't give it too much attention. And I think that my beliefs can change how I live my life and how I perceive life. And I truly believe that I'm protected. I truly believe that there's something around me and protecting me. Every time I see a feather in the street or when I'm sitting, I know that's an angel. Yeah. I know that I'm protected. And a friend of mine once told me, sorry my English is pretty ratatats. Wonderful. Yeah, a friend one time he said that when you see a feather, that's because an angel is close. Yeah, it's nearby. And I've seen so many feathers in my life. And I know that I'm guided and I'm protected. Because that's a really strong belief I have. I know that even if somebody would tear my mind out of the eye, how do you say that in your life? If they give me a bad eye, the bad eye you call it? 30 look, we call it. The dirty look? They can touch me. I know that that's how protected I am. That's very relaxing. Yes. Yeah, thanks a lot. Where do you start with the look? Where do I start with the look? Sometimes it's one piece. Sometimes maybe it's the part of my body that I want to share, that I want to hide. Sometimes it's the nails that I have, the nail design that I have in my hands, that it's so. It's so, you know, a camp that it needs that the outfit, it's completely the opposite. Sometimes it can be that I'm excited of shoes, which is also kind of like the case of today. I'm really excited of having these shoes in my suitcase right now. So I better just make the best of Osalcomo, Osalcomo, Osalcomo. And I really find satisfaction in repetition. And these days I'm just trying to repeat clothes, pieces, but challenging myself on how to do it differently. And how I've done it before. I've never repeat an outfit completely. I repeat pieces over and over, but I have kind of a rule of. Those are the, if you are a creative person, you cannot repeat an outfit completely. It needs always to have a different thing in it, because that forces me to think. It forces me to really be honest on how am I feeling that day. And the makeup also. Sometimes it's about the makeup. I'm like, let me start today with this, and then I will build around it. You see, if I want to go crazy with some color, I love Isamaya French. Yes. She's wonderful. Isamaya, she has the most amazing palette with her brand of shadows. And those shadows are so delicious and so inviting to just build everything around it. You know, like basically put some metallic green in the eye, and then where you're going to do it. Because you cannot just put any color with it. You have to build around it. And I think that anything can be an excuse to start a look. And how do you feel about being naked? Oh, I love that question. That's my favorite. At home? Yes. At home, I'm always naked. Completely naked or do you wear something to be naked? I might be the happiest when I'm completely naked. Maybe it's because when I was at home, when I was a kid, or when I started becoming less of a kid, that was not allowed. And I really like to do things that I'm not supposed to. Right. Yeah, this logic of contradiction, it's been always there. But I really like being naked. It gives me a sense of freedom and not giving a fuck. And because I've always have to be so presentable or whatever. I think that when I'm at my comforts and my space and my home, I really enjoy that. But also it's something that I used to be very. Tenen mucho pudo. I used to be very much like I don't want to be seen naked. And these days, I really don't give a fuck. That's so good. Because of my job, I have to be naked so many times in front of people that I don't know in so many situations. And it can become so. I like it. It's a thing that can be also very violent sometimes. I think I've kind of developed this detachment with the situation of being naked. And I've kind of decided that I don't care if somebody is seeing me naked and how they feel about how my body looks. And if they want to look or not, or they want to think about whatever, if they want to judge it or not, I'm like, this is who I am. This is how God made me. And I'm going to be walking in this room full of people naked. And that's okay. As long as they are okay with it too, of course. And is there something that a man wears that you find always attractive in some way? I find like a cocky shot or a denim shot. I always. I'm interested. I have some reason it does something to me. I really like when a man is capable to wear leather in an effortless way with no effort. Because when a man wears leather with effort, or it's not worn enough, it's not worn enough, it doesn't have a story yet. Or he's not comfortable with it. I can tell right away. That's such a good description. You know? If you're going to wear leather, you better be. You've got to sell it. You better be ready to wear it. You better be like sure about it. And so that's one thing, but I really like when a man just wears jeans definitely and white plain t-shirt. And they look hot in it. Yeah. There's something beautiful about the simplicity of that when they're not trying hard. But I also like when they were men and women. They were a funny, very sexy when they were just. a camcetta del colineas. How do you say it? A striped t-shirt. Yes, with different colors. And it can look kind of like playful and so cute. And that's so sexy for some reason. You know? And then I really like when people don't have their hair done. When they don't have their hair done. I find it so hot, so sexy. Like there's something about not giving a fuck that I love. And I say it well, while I've done my hair this morning. And I really like when somebody wears something short and they show in this part. Oh, yes. You know, when you can kind of see the bone or not. And it's just showing this part of the body. Because this is a very vulnerable part of the body. So whoever wears something like a crop, but not to crop. Let's just say this area, that it's very hot because it's explaining something about them. Yeah, I know. Yeah, and I don't like when men show their feet. I like when women does it. I find it so hot. I really. I find it disgusting. I remember this front of mine. This maybe such a huge artist, I would say probably one of the biggest artists in the world right now. And he came to the studio. And he was wearing these shoes that he became barefoot right away. Let's say he didn't even took 10 minutes, 15 to warm it up and then take off his shoes. He just did it right away. And he just put his feet on the table like this table. And I was seeing his foot and even if he had the manicure done, his pedicure was done, I couldn't even find it not even tiny bit attractive. I was like, no, no. That's so specific. That's so good. I don't know if I find it. But I find it so hot when you open the door or somebody opens the door of their house and they were just socks. Yeah. Yeah, like give me socks. Yes, I want to see your socks. I don't want to see your feet. I want to see the color that you chose of your socks and the texture of it and the pattern in there's any. If you are so like, that's that local local, they have a pattern in your socks and that, I don't know, like I want to see all of that because that says something about you, but I don't want to see your feet unless, yeah, unless we got to a point where we were going to see where I can see your feet. Yeah. Because I was going to ask you, if you fancy someone and don't like something they're wearing, does it kill your attraction? So is that your arm? Is that that beat? Yeah, I guess so. I guess so. I think so. The thing that can kill my attraction the most is if I don't think that what they were in his honest with who they are. If they, because it can be whatever, like it can be the funniest t-shirt, the ugliest t-shirt, the most, the classiest t-shirt, it can be the most distressed, even like with stains. I don't care. Like, it can be the thing with, I don't know what somebody could consider tacky, whatever. It can be whatever, but if that's who you are. And that's how you felt that morning. If that's who you are today, you're wearing that with truth, then it's the hottest thing. If you're wearing it with enough truth, not enough truth, then that's the most torn off thing ever. Because in a way, backwards can be really sexy if they want how without any kind of self-consciousness, you think. Absolutely. Oh, sweet. I like it more. Yeah, it's an endearing. Yeah. It can be so endearing. Yeah. It can be so like, Tierno. Mm-hmm. It's like a Tierno. Tierno tender. Yeah. Yeah. Right, like when you see a kid that it's just wearing that because they felt it. Then that's the most beautiful thing. And it could be maybe considered that it's not combined well enough, but you wouldn't say that to a kid, right? You wouldn't say, "Oh, you didn't combine that well." Why would we do that to an adult? You know what I mean? Yeah. Like if it made sense for an adult, like that, then it made sense for them, like that. And I respect that. Because you're looking at wearing, I mean, today you're beautifully encased in black so that your vocabulary and your mind is at it. That's the focus of this experience. And with the new record, it locks it. You're looking at wearing more angelic kind of clothing and even some wings and halos. And I wonder what purity means both as an aesthetic and as a moral compass. And what's the underlying kind of drive for you with that, that illumination and the discipline? Oh, that's a great question. There's, I think you can find purity in any color, I think. I think that of course, because of our tradition, cultural, of, because of our cultural tradition, we associate pureness to white. And maybe it's because there's also so much beauty in light and in white and every color that can have light in it. But also I find a lot of pureness in a dark tone or a dark color or a dark outfit if that makes any sense. Yeah, yeah, it does. Dark brown. There's a density in it or just black. I really find so much beauty in it. And I sometimes I think that we associate the black, the color of black with negative stuff and I really would like or just dark stuff. And I really would like that it's not like that because I don't. And I saw a picture of you and Patty Smith on Instagram recently and she seemed someone who's able to combine purity and resilience into her value system. I wondered if she an influence, had she been an influence on you? Absolutely. Absolutely. I love Patty. I love how she's capable to have such a strong energy in on stage and so much to say. And every time I see her she's so vibrant and her eyes, you look at her eyes and you can see that she's experienced so much. Like there's so much like in those eyes, like in so much knowledge. Like I wish I could just like know everything. I could just listen to her and know everything she that those eyes know, you know? Like I think that she's so generous in her in the way she exists. And yeah, that's. Yeah, and I love how brave she is and I love that she wears her braids and. Love her braids. Yes. It's so beautiful and I'm just fascinated by her writing and her, the way she speaks on the stage, still to this day and how passionate she is. And I just love her. She's a huge reference for me and I think she gets to manage at least it seems to me. I would love to know what she thinks. But she seems to handle contradiction in such a graceful way because she's human and she lives in this world. But she still like sings about what she sings and she cares about what she cares and. I just really love her. She's the best. She is the best. She really is the best. Every time. Every time. Yeah. Yeah. She always surprises you again and again. I've seen her so many times and every time I learn something new about how to express things. Yes. 100%. And the way she breaks her voice, the way she can have her voice being so gentle. Yet she can break it and make it be so like, bistéral. Yeah. It's incredible to me. I hope that when I'm 78, I have found at least half of that expression and that I can access that. Yeah. Half of at least half of how she access it. Yeah. She's such a wonderful representation of femininity because she does all of that. of it she does the soldier and she does the girlish and she's so pretty with her braids and that when she looks shy and then somehow her language never fails it's always on point and she kind of gives you courage I find. Yes she has mastered, I think what being a humanist. I think that she really, she released my favorite human. She really is like I think wow, but it's me that human exists. Being a human can be that, you can be all of it at the same time. You can be as you said like she's all of those things and she's all of it at the same time with so much truth and so I think that at the end of the day she just exudes freedom. Yeah, so much freedom and irreverence and I admire that so much. Well thank you so much for as a Liyafa being on fashion neuroses. Anytime. It had so much pleasure talking together and watching you so thank you so much. We wanted to, I hope that we have more opportunities to share together. I really love that. Yeah, because this was very, very sweet, very nice. Support for fashion neuroses comes from Neiman Marcus. Our favorite holiday fables are full of fantasy and magic and the same can be said for our favorite wardrobe pieces. 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