Rookie Review: RBs Pt. 2 & WRs + Egbuka's Fall - Dynasty Fantasy Football

[MUSIC] Welcome to the Fantasy Foot Mollers dynasty podcast with Borg Betts in the Baller. [MUSIC] Welcome in. [MUSIC] It's Wednesday, January 14th here, Fantasy Foot Mollers dynasty podcast. I'll be your host, Cobborganoni, and I'm joined by Jason Moore and Matthew Betts. >> The way you said that, Kyle, you made it seem like it's going to be different than usual. Like for today's show, I'll be your host. Aren't you always the host? >> Today, I'm feeling a little bit of pep in my step. >> Okay. >> Why do you credit the pep in your step? >> I feel prepared for the show. That's one thing. >> Okay, well, that's always a-- that's great. This is the first time. Go on. >> And then also, I just turned the page from, okay, I need to turn my attention to these rookies too. I'm fully in there. Like, the switch turned today. >> Nice. >> It's a great place to be. >> Nice. I think, yeah, I think my switch has not officially turned yet. Like, today we're talking about the 2025 rookie class, not the 2026 yet. >> You're not turned on. >> I mean, let's be careful with our words here, Kyle, but I will say that I am extraordinarily excited. I will probably be flipping the switch this week, if not Monday before Monday. So I'm looking forward to it. I can understand the feeling, the vibe you get when you go all in on the upcoming rookie class, one of the most fun times of the year. So that's where you are right now. You're diving in. >> I'm in. I'm in. I'm at-- >> You got the scuba gear on. >> Yes. I was thinking more of like, I'm out on the dance floor and my eyes are closed and I am-- I'm vibing. I'm having a good time. >> Okay. >> I'm not looking around anybody else. It's just me, bets. >> I'm just picturing you that scene, vibing, as you would say, as the kids say. You seem like you were a huge club guy back in the day. >> Yeah, you know, I was a frequenter of the clubs as the candidate. >> If I were to knowing you, I would assume that if I were to watch you dance, I will be honest. >> I don't think it would be quite-- you're athletic, but like Andy is athletic, and I've seen Andy dance and it's like, you don't want none of that. >> Don't you put that in your hand? >> Do you have rhythm? Do you have like-- I got to watch you dance now, I got to see this. >> Okay. >> There's probably somebody out there listening that is a good friend of Kyle who can ask you question this. >> Oh, yes. >> You can. >> Who's got videos of Kyle dancing. >> Yes. >> Please, probably from this weekend, right? Kyle, you were a wedding. This weekend, I will be at a wedding this next weekend, so maybe I'll get some footage, some fresh footage. But like-- >> Please. >> There's kind of this in-between with dancing, where it's like, are you going for just I have the moves to-- okay, I'm being a little bit goofy here. It's like-- there's a spectrum of what you want to show out on the dance floor. But maybe you guys can just-- the whole time, you're just going the entire time with the moves. >> I mean, you know me. Come on. Let's be real. >> I feel like you'd be a robotic out there. >> I'm like you're classic, you know, guy at a wedding, dancing, a couple drinks, a little sweaty, tie comes down, I'm nothing special out there, I'll be honest. >> I think I've seen you dance a couple times, Jason. >> Well, congratulations, my friends. I mean, that is a treat of epic proportions. >> Well, I'm excited, and on this episode, what we're going to do is finish reviewing the rookie running backs. We started last week talking with Mike. We mentioned Jenty and Hampton. We will finish talking about those and then get into the wide receivers, where I think there are some interesting discussions, specifically about how players finish the year. It's like, you can look at how people feel about Egg Bukka right now, and then flip the script of how people feel about Luther Burton, because it is the exact opposite. But I want to give you a fun stat. You guys know how many top 24 finishes Luther Burton had this year? >> Oh, this is great, because he's the hotness, he has the new hotness, he was great. I don't know. I mean, obviously, the first half of the year, he didn't do much of anything had big breakout proportions. Top 24, I feel like it's a low number, but I think that's the trick. So I would say like two. >> I was going to guess two. >> Okay, the answer is two, which is as many as Deandre Hopkins had in the year. >> Yeah. >> I'm glad you brought up Deandre Hopkins as the like, oh no, this is a guy whose career is over, he's done, he's meaningless and worthless, despite being a legendary wide receiver. Because the reason we don't care about his two is because his career is over. The reason we care about the two from Luther Burton is because his career is just starting and so you see this before, you see rookie wide receivers, rookie, anythings, who just show flashes and flashes towards the end of their rookie season. And that's all you need to know, like, oh, this guy's got something special, the more that he gets involved, the more opportunities come, the more routes he runs or handoffs he gets, whatever position you're at, then you can prepare yourself for success. So I'm still excited for Luther Burton, although it does seem like Mr. Lovely is going to be soaking up most of the targets there. Kyle, how are you feeling? >> Love it, love it. >> Haven't Dynastie is definitely one of my favorite players. >> If the listeners don't know. So pretty much bets and Kyle have been at odds for a year in the Tyler Warren versus Colson Loving the Bay. >> This is not true. >> It's very true. >> It's true in the sense that bets has been like Mr. Loving. >> Yes. >> Well, I mean, I guess that is Mr. Loving, but he was very bullish on Loving. You, Kyle, you were not necessarily anti-loving, but you were very bullish. I mean, your, my guy this year was Tyler Warren. >> My love. >> So you were Tyler. >> Looks like hate. >> You were Tyler Warren over Loving and he was Loving over Tyler Warren. Is that fair to say? >> That's fair. >> Yes, so. >> But I'm not rooting against love. >> It's slack. >> But in slack all year. I mean, it has been such a delight between you two on this anytime Loving does something bad or worn, does something good. Kyle was talking and then vice versa. Oh, my gosh. Now that Loving is breaking out, bets is just, I mean, there's a fake persona that now exists about how much Kyle hates Loving despises. >> Honestly, I believe that now. I believe, Kyle, that you have a deep seat. >> You have bought into this propaganda or loved one. I have it so much. >> It stinks because I have level in a dynasty. I traded for him before the season because I needed him and wanted him and I've been enjoying it. But yes, I liked Tyler Warren and we also have one of those things. We'll talk about the rookie tight ends where it's like, these seasons happen in such different ways from, it was slow for leveling and then Warren loses his quarterback where yes, now it is, it seems like it's Mike's full-time job to remind everybody and remind bets that I apparently hate Loving now. >> Yeah, so good. You do love it. When is the rookie 10N review show, Kyle? >> We'll be doing that in a couple of weeks. We will be doing over the next couple of weeks, more overviews and then we're about to get into these prospects. So I think that's kind of like the meat of what we're going to be doing on the show. We have an article up on the site right now, the 2026 NFL draft prospect primer. If you're trying to get used to these prospects, everybody else, you know the name's like for an end of Mendoza, maybe Jeremiah Love, but you're trying to get used to the rest of the prospects. There's a giant article out on the website if you want to look at that. But right around the corner, on Super Bowl Sunday, we launch the pre-orders for the ultimate draft kit, which includes the dynasty pass. So that initial look at those rookies, the production profiles, that will be out on Super Bowl Sunday. And then we will update it a couple of times. But I think that's the part that I want to make sure before we jump into today's show. Like if you're, if you're not where I'm at, if you are not your, the switch isn't turned on, then you're about to be and we want to get you in on that process. >> Just started on team opportunity this week. Had the lovely pleasure of reviewing the Washington commander season and the Tennessee Titan season. So I started, I started at the bottom right here. >> Exactly. Only up from here. But yeah, I love doing that exercise every year and I think people find it really valuable to because when you actually dive into like what is going on on certain teams, rosters from a draft pick standpoint, contract standpoint, free agency coaching changes, all that sort of stuff is in there. It just really helps you kind of understand the direction of where these teams are going. So definitely a very, very valuable tool. And like Kyle said, I mean, Super Bowl Sunday is not that far away and it's coming fast. >> Yeah, congrats on the commanders who have basically nobody under contract other than Terry of significance. >> It's Jayden, it's Terry, the sender, it's pretty bad. So go to ultimate draftkit.com if you want to be in on that. But let's keep reviewing. So we're going to finish our conversation about the rookie running backs. We talked about Gen T and Hampton on last episode. And this episode we are going to discuss Quinch on Judkins, Travegan Henderson, RJ Harvey based on where they finished fantasy wise. And then maybe a couple other names if we get to them. But overall Jason, I want to get your sentiment. This year's class was supposed to be really good for fantasy. And I would say it was, but what was your overall take of just like, did they deliver on the promise of where we drafted them in dynasty? No, no, they definitely didn't. Now what they did do is they delivered on the future belief of the players. Like when I watch what Henderson did, you go, oh, that is the guy that we loved. You know, he broke out, he could be special, he could take that Jameer Gibbs type of leap forward, um, Jinty, you watch him and you go, wow, that guy is so special, definitely disappointing for where you drafted him. He was my, you know, redraft bust pick because you're taking him in the first round and he's playing with a terrible offense, bad offensive line, et cetera, et cetera. And you saw that. Like you were disappointed. It was a bust pick. But there was nothing that you saw when you went, oh, no, we were wrong. These guys aren't good. RJ Harvey didn't get the opportunity, um, easily ahead of, uh, JK Dobbins. So, you know, the list goes on and on. I, I would say that, um, for year one, rookie year, disappointment in fantasy output in production and stats, but I'm still very bullish on the future. I look at, you know, we're, we're going to be, you know, creating for the dynasty past that's going to launch here in a couple of weeks, a brand new from scratch, dynasty startup rankings. And I think that these rookie running back, the rookie running back class will be very, very, very high, especially as I think it's, I think this class came in at the perfect time because a lot of the stalwarts are starting to age out, um, you know, Christian McAver is going to be 30. Mercury is obviously immortal, but super old, uh, you know, there's, there's a lot of these guys where it's like, where, if you're in a startup draft, where are you drafting them versus others? And I'm, I'm very bullish on this rookie class. Let's start off by talking about Quinch on Judkins, the Browns hook him 36th overall. He only was able to play 14 games. So before we go through his season, bets kind of give us a little update of where he's at injury wise, because it was week 16 when he had his injury. Yeah, very similar to that of Cam Skataboo with the ankle fracture and dislocation. He did have surgery on December 23rd. So unfortunately, Merry Christmas to Quinch on terrible timing, but he had surgery just before Christmas and now kind of faces, you'll see, you see reports out there. It's like a four to six months. But for me, when I look at that, that is more of the return to football activity recovery timeline. Really, it's going to be like closer to nine months before he's kind of actually doing the things we care about in fantasy from a workload standpoint, explosiveness, all that sort of stuff. And sometimes even takes longer, like up to 10 months, it's really just regain your form and explosiveness and all those things. So I do expect him to be ready for week one. I do not expect him or Skataboo to be a hundred percent in training camp and week one. So it'll take a little bit of time to get back there. But generally speaking, players can come back from this injury long term. So I'm not necessarily docking Judkins in a massive way in the long term dynasty lens. I do think when you think about what is the early part of his 2026 season look like, probably gets off to a slower start. In terms of efficiency, it was really, really bad. Only Ashen Gentia had a worse stuff rate. And 67% of his runs went for three or fewer yards. I was the highest rate in the entire NFL. Part of that, you can look at and just say the team, the context of the Browns was, this was a bad team. So seven rushing touchdowns in 14 games actually is really impressive. But it was very clear. Once he got on the field, remember we had that little scare of like, is there a long suspension? What's going to happen? He was there, dude, 34% of the team's rush attempts and targets. And for a stretch there, right, from like week three to week 13. It seemed like this dude was going to be super helpful for fantasy championships. And he was there, dude, inside the five, like they didn't waver in our scattering report. I was looking back last year in these episodes. We talked about him as a red zone hammer. He's like, man, if this guy gets opportunities inside the red zone, he's going to be awesome. And one of the comps that we gave was Josh Jacobs, which, which I thought was just like a tough dude between the tackle. So I think from how we scouted Judkins to where he was taken in the draft and then even the production on a bad team, like I think he was solid overall. Jason. Yeah. So I remember in the scouting process pre NFL draft, I was not nearly as high on Judkins as you were Kyle, you really loved Judkins tape. I was, I was like, he's a good player. He's not my favorite of this class. But when he landed in Cleveland, it seemed genuinely perfect for him, even though it wasn't a great offense, you didn't assume there'd be a ton of scoring opportunities this year. They needed him. It seemed like a Nick Chubbry placement, which he was. He came in and, and, and quickly became the guy. It was tough sledding for him. You know, he's not out there running it, you know, five yards per carry with that kind of an offense was Shadoor Sanders and, and, uh, Gillen, Gabriel, uh, you know, behind center and, and all the, all the things that they had to go through the team. The offense just was terrible. Um, once they drafted him, though, I was, I was bullish on him. I think, you know, right here to the offseason. Will he play football, domestic violence, all that issues. He was my number one, but I always, I always forget about genty as a rookie. He was my number one of the rest, uh, fantasy projection. And I think he had a successful rookie or now I am, I am pretty concerned about this injury, though. Um, I'm concerned for two reasons, not long term health and whether he can come back from it, you know, and he is, he's very young, he's 22 years old. So maybe he doesn't come back to full strength right off the bat this season. Um, maybe he gets better towards the end of the season. But the issue is like, one of the things I loved about Judkins was the depth chart. They, they really didn't have hardly anything there. They barely brought back Jerome Ford and obviously they, they drafted another rookie, but he was an undersized guy that, that, that, you know, Quinch on Judkins was the, the dude for them. That's what they wanted. But now with that injury and with the depth chart being so bad, it feels like a team that needs a running back. Like I don't know that they can go into next year saying, well, we've got, we've got Judkins. We invested in him. He's our dude. If I don't know that timeline, I don't know how ready he will be in training camp in, in pre training camp. You know, before the draft, when free agency opens up, well, will they have enough information on Judkins to know, can we rely on him in week one or even in week five, um, in which case they might go out and make a splash, they might draft someone, they might. So it's one of those like, I liked what I saw. I think he's a good player. If his opportunity stays what it is after the NFL draft and after free agency, I'll be bullish again. Right now I'm kind of, um, holding my breath on what his future looks like. Yeah. He's a guy that I think just to piggyback on all those points, it's sort of a thinnial of a thread for me in terms of like a true year two breakout happening right out of the gate from week one on because we talked about the injury, but also like we talked about a genty last week, like there's even if they're a better team, there's definitely some more systemic concerns just in totality on what's going on in Cleveland, same as what we talked about with Vegas. Like when your expectation for win totals and points every week, you know, hinges in like the 17 and a half to 20 and a half range. It's hard to be a top tier fantasy running back because touchdowns obviously are very important. So it's a thin needle to thread for me and redraft where we look ahead to 2026 of how this goes for him where it's like, Oh, what an incredible season. So he's more like a, to me, more valuable and dynasty piece. I think at the running back landscape where you know the injury could slow him down a start the year, but we all think he's pretty talented. He's got the size and speed profile you look for that can develop into a true Belk how we already saw it as a rookie. So there's a lot to like for his entire kind of picture and profile, but I do agree I think it's possible we see him as like a better dynasty asset to have than like a redraft target for this upcoming season. And I don't consider him a player because he's injured. You need to go get him, you know, it's, he's a hold. If you drafted him, you're just going to have to wait it out, wait out this period where you're figuring out his injury situation, but he belongs in the NFL and he saw 18 plus touches a game like that's significant for a rookie running back. So I think overall, he made sense where they drafted him. Would you rather have Quinch on Judkins in a startup? So let's give that context or RJ Harvey. I personally would probably rather take Judkins, I would as well, the age gap there 22 versus what's our. 25 four. Yeah, I mean, I, I'm going to take the, the three years, but, but what if you said like who's going to score more touchdowns in 2026 as part of the equation? You probably guess it's Harvey, right? Yeah, I mean, you certainly would say the Broncos score a lot more touchdowns than the Browns do next year. the RJ Harvey was was pretty good at getting in the end zone this year as a rookie despite not being on the field a ton, but those seem like the type of touchdowns that are very hard to bank on. Whereas Judkins touchdown opportunities are the ones where you can go, okay, this guy gets the work inside the five yard line. He's their goal line back. So yeah, I mean, I would probably lean the needle towards RJ Harvey, but not in a drastic way, even despite the, the offenses being drastically different. I guess we should probably talk about Harvey next and we'll just go into it. We can talk about that. I find it hard because talent wise, I think Judkins better player. I liked him better pre-draft process. I think he was much better in a lot of areas inside the red zone, but then you look at like man, which teams can be better. Like that's where I feel conflicted because when we look at RJ Harvey, they took him in the second round 60th overall. I think that surprised a lot of us. We thought he was kind of there in day two in the mix, but 12 touchdowns, including five receiving was kind of the main thing, but he was not the dude until JK Dobbins hurt. So I look at the way this team won. It wasn't because of bonus. It was because of this offensive line. Really like it was their defense and their offensive line was the way that the Broncos became the number one seed and Harvey benefited from that in the second half of the season. So do you think he will be overvalued because of the touchdown production? Like is he more valuable moving forward like in a trade piece this off season than he is to your team the next couple of years? I think probably that's how I feel too. I mean given how they used him, given the opportunity to really have him truly break out. I wasn't. I mean, I will say this, we have more information still coming like they're in the playoffs. If they beat the bills and make a run and it's on the back of RJ Harvey, the continuing rookie breakout can still happen. I reserve my right to change my opinion here, but in the regular season, you know, they they had opportunities to they gave them the ball, 17 carries, 19 carries, 14 carries, 15 carries with JK Dobbins injured. No one else on the roster to really do something super special. They gave him opportunities and I wasn't. I wasn't personally blown away. I mean, he was he was pretty good. He scored a lot of fancy points. He got in the end zone a ton. I don't I don't know how I feel about RJ Harvey. I looking at what he did down the stretch the offence he's on. I feel like I should be really bullish. And for some reason, I'm not enamored. Is that just because he got off to a slow start this year? You know, the first six weeks of the season, he did pretty much Jack squat and he couldn't overtake Dobbins. It took a Dobbins injury. And so I think that's kind of why we're like, but it took it took a commentary injury for Henderson to get the opportunity to break out. So I don't know. I feel like maybe we're being a little I'm working through this. And I think maybe we're being negative on RJ Harvey. I think they're certainly because of go ahead, Jay. Just the combination of because of his age and the fact that he didn't overtake JK Dobbins and it took that injury to get the opportunity down the stretch. I don't know man. Yeah, I think he's a player for me that this might feel like a cop-out answer because kind of it is. There's certain players that you have like really strong convictions on, you really like, you know, all those things that you want to be in kind of no matter what. There's other players where you're like, I'm out no matter what. There's a ton of players in the middle. And to me, RJ Harvey is like a very price dependent from a startup cost from a trade value piece to me. I would love to have starting running back for the Broncos in Champagne system as a blanket statement. I feel like RJ Harvey, what he showed is a rookie. Like you look at his numbers among 49 qualifying running backs that had 100 plus carries. The peripherals were not great. He was 42nd in New York's per carry, 40th in rush success rate, 46 in EPA per rush. And that's why the Broncos offensive line was still operating at a top five rate. So considering all that, I saw on the field this past season largely a fine NFL player, but probably a guy that's not irreplaceable is how I would put it. Now, obviously it's dynasty and we're looking at this kind of into two to three or window. I think the opportunity will be there in the next couple seasons, but as Kyle mentioned, he's already 25 years old. And so if somebody is like so in on this guy because of the perceived role in this in this offense, I'm willing to see the downside here and kind of take the other side of it. So that's a copy dancer for me. I think he's fine. But I also wouldn't be surprised at all if this team either brings Dobbins back and or invests elsewhere because you know, Sean Peyton loves his committee backs. And we saw that a bunch this year. So maybe the playoffs change that for RJ Harvey, but overall I see a player that's pretty good, but nothing incredibly special. 58 targets is is nice. We kind of talked about that as part of his game explosive. The explosive plays is what we saw at UCF. And yet I feel like I remember this season of like there's three or four plays where RJ Harvey just busted one, but the rest of them were just like stuff the line. That's that was my what I remembered, but 58 targets is tied for the fifth most among day two running back to the last decade. That's a really good number as a rookie. It's a really good number. And it actually is far better than that. Again, took the JK Dobbins injury. But if you look at like after the buy week, when they really started giving him the workload, their final six games, that stretch, he was on pace for 73 targets, 53 receptions, which would be, I mean, if you tell me, hey, I get all running back on a good offense with 73 targets, I pretty much don't care about almost anything else. I know that they're going to be fantasy relevant. And then he got 240 carry pace and they didn't do much on the ground with it. But I want to see what they do in the draft, whether I agree they could bring back Dobbins. They could grab another running back. He wants a committee. But RJ Harvey could easily be a top 15 back next year. So I don't want, I don't want to just, you know, crap all over him and be like, he's old, you know, if the next two years, he's a top 15 running back, then you probably made a mistake trading the way. And I think if we said, like for me, personally, let's say Judkins was in this spot on this team, you know, without Andrea Beck. Oh, well, the siblings a lot higher there, because I think Judkins is a better overall player. But in full PPR, if you're seeing this type of receiving production on really good offense with the good offensive line, I won't call it a really good offense. I'll call it a really good offensive line. That's fortunate to be in really good game scripts because their defense is so good. You hit because you where you drafted and was the back of the first round in your rookie drafts. And that to me at the time, I was scared. I was like, I don't know if I really believe in this player the same way. It's kind of irrelevant at this point, where it's like the situation and the opportunity turned it to a really, really good one. So overall, if you drafted him, you're probably really happy that he finished the year the way he did. And you counted on him as like a high end RB two. So let's hit quick break. And then we'll talk about some tribune. I'm not sure if we've had a running back in recent memory that has given this much of an emotional toil for the first two months of a season like this. I mean, it was it wasn't just like, okay, we saw a little bit here and there. It was two months of if you drafted him in a redraft, you thought I wasted my pick. And then in dynasty, I took him at the 104 in a draft and I'm sitting there thinking I could have had jetkins or I could have gone for eight games. Like you said, the first two months of the season, he had 228 rushing yards. He played every game 228 rushing yards. That's a half a season. And he basically was irrelevant. I mean, didn't even have a hundred receiving yards. This was a player that was just a cast off after thought. It really, this is what this is why we get so angry at coaches. Because if Ramandri didn't get injured, I don't know that they, I mean, I we do know, we know that they were not going to just go, okay, Traveon, you're the dude. It took the injury. And I guess this is why like we we just talked about this with RJ Harvey. It took the injury for him to get it. The difference is once he got it, you know, it was like, oh, man, Henderson dominated just 50 yard touchdown run, 50 yard touchdown run explosive play, you know, RJ Harvey had a had a few good plays over the course of that second half of the season. Henderson had a few good plays over the course of a few good, a few more opportunities. He was just so good, so fast all the time. And it's just, it's so silly to me. We get frustrated because we're like, we believe he is better and you should give him more opportunities. We don't know anything. We're not there at the practice field. We don't know the past protections and all the the meetings he's in or isn't in and all of this stuff. But then when we see this kind of proof in the pudding where it's like, you were wrong. Like variable, I love rables. Vrables a great head coach. He was wrong or whoever was the decision maker. Maybe it wasn't variable, you know, putting the offensive personnel out there. Maybe it's the offensive coordinator. Maybe it's the running backs coach. I don't know, you know, how their team operates in that fashion, but whoever it was that was giving, you know, six, nine, 11, five, three rushing attempts, a game to Travion Henderson. They were wrong. Period. It is a objective truth. You know, it's it's when they were forced to give him more. He won them games and dominated in a way that Ramondra couldn't. And so then when Ramondra came back, they're like, ah, we should give we should give a Trevo a lot more work and they did. So I think he his his role and like even in the playoffs, Ramondra was awesome. Ramondra looked so good. He looked like their best offensive player. They're not going to go away from Henderson ever again because he showed how special he was. It's just dumb that it took their hand being forced. Why can't they force their own hand? Why can't they just go? You see that? Okay. He's really fast. We should get him a ball. I wish it was that simple. Don't you? Yeah. Well, you know, they only spent the 38 pick overall and the NFL draft on him. Why would they want to get him a ball? Very true. Yeah, we talked about this a little bit last week. Kind of just hinted at where Travion is and and all that sort of view in the landscape. And I mentioned this to Mike and he was like, hit this out of here. Ramondra actually ranks ahead of Travion in a lot of the advanced metrics. Now a lot of those sometimes are pretty noisy. But like you said, to Ramondra's credit, I pretty much wrote Ramondra off this past year from a redraft standpoint and wasn't really targeting on all those things. He's been good this year. And I don't know how much of it is him versus Josh McDaniels whose scheme has been awesome. Drake May. Again, I'm sorry, Patriots fans. The schedule. There's a lot of things that worked in favor of this offense over performing maybe some people's expectations. I'm not saying it's going to regress next year. I think it's a very good team. But I also like talking out of both sides of my mouth, I think that Ramondra will still have a role next season. Doesn't mean he's going to dominate the way he did this year and take over in terms of being the RB one. But Travion to me, these are the guys I love betting on a dynasty where you do not need to have the volume to be a very good fantasy back. Travion is so talented that he can still be a very high end running back for a fantasy and for dynasty without having 23 touches of game. But if they actually given that goodness gracious like like Judkins, right? I think he's a pretty good player. I think he's very talented of what he does. He kind of needs like 19 touches in a game to like really get there. Travion can do it in 15 touches, you know, stuff like that. So these are the backs I love betting on in dynasty where the draft capital is there. The talent profile is there. And the area was pointing up on the offense. So even though I do think Ramondra might be a thorn for another year in the side of Henderson, obviously he's still very in on him from a dynasty standpoint. The question is, does he go the way? So Henderson of H and in Gibbs where it's not just they're hyper efficient and you know there's big plays, but then there's this next level where the Raheem Mosterts and Dave Montgomery's of the world slowly subside and these people enter another stratosphere like we saw with H and this year where he was the most consistent back in football, right? Aside from like CMC and B. John H and was unbelievable. And he was the dude, right? Like we had to wait a couple of years. Same thing with Gibbs. So do you think that there's that type of ceiling Jason for Henderson in the next year or two? Yeah, I definitely do. I would, I'm glad you said year or two because I do think it'll be a two year stretch. Ramondra's contract is enormous. He got a new contract recently. He is not going. Yes, he's not going anywhere. It will be a two headed monster similar to you know more like like H and it's alone. They've been trying to figure out like Ollie Gordon, you know, right? Like who else can we have it? They just don't have anyone with Gibbs. Dave Montgomery is a good quality back. And so his second year, it was still a pretty decent split. I mean, genuinely like Dave Montgomery worked in a lot. But you had you had Jamir Gibbs go from 253 opportunities his rookie year to 313 his sophomore year. And that was with Dave Montgomery working in a lot. I don't necessarily expect the Patriots to be as run heavy and as run successful as two years ago's Detroit Lions like that. Their offensive line was the heart of their offense. Like that was the machine they made it go. The offensive line is something that's improving, but has not been a strength of the Patriots necessarily certainly not to the degree of the Lions. So I don't know that the opportunities will be there to have the total team amount of Russian attempts, but I fully expect Travion Henderson next year will get more work than Ramondray. He will get more work than what you saw the split with Ramondray and Travion on the field together once Ramondray came back, but it will not be solo. He won't get all the work. And really it took your three for Gibbs. This past season where it was like, man, we got a we we're really hurting ourselves when we take Gibbs out and put the ball in David Montgomery's hand. So more and more, I mean, Gibbs went from 313 opportunities his sophomore year to 337 in his third year. I think that there will be a very, very similar percentage wise bump over the next two years for Travion Henderson. So he's going to be highly drafted next year in redraft. And I believe he's going to pay off on that. You just there's not, you know, there's not 20 guys in the NFL that have the explosiveness of Travion Henderson. You know, they're and most of those guys when you talk about that level of true athletic freak explosiveness, those guys are in the first two rounds of fantasy drafts usually. You know, that's the that's where Gibbs goes. That's where Jamar Chase goes. That's where those, you know, H and in just the crazy like I can take this 80 yards to the house. You know, if nobody can catch me. Yeah. And I think that Gibbs cop makes so much sense where you can see more working year two. But really year three is like the runway is cleared for him kind of thing. And they just can't keep doing with her. I mean, that makes a ton of sense. I will say a couple more points on that. We did see the bell cap abilities of Travion when Rwanda was out 20.3 total opportunities per game on 80% of the snaps. So we talked about this in previous seasons with Montgomery Gibbs. It's like, well, also if the other guy misses time, you also have a true workhorse every time back on your hands. So I think that's the case with Travion for sure. And then I will say from an efficiency standpoint, we keep bringing up Gibbs. It's it's very funny how they come out here. 5.7 yards per touch this past season for Gibbs. James Cook was at 5.6 for context on kind of where Travion was at 5.3, same with Jonathan Taylor. They were tied. So he's kind of already approaching that level of efficiency or at least he did it in this first season. Of course, things could change. But just to highlight kind of that's what we're talking about here with with the director of Henderson. So definitely an exciting piece if you haven't won your squad. Yeah, he's going to be a fun player to talk about all off season as well. Another in the playoffs right now. So there'll be more to add the conversation. But I did so many deep dives on him of like what worked with him, what didn't work with Ramandre. So just just an interesting player because he was number one in yards before contact, which you could say, oh, his offensive line was good. It's like, no, nobody touched him on a couple of these like 60 yard runs. And then it says that he's last in yards after contact. But that's just kind of hurting him because he had these long runs. Where it's like, if you have a 60 yard run and no one touches you, that actually hurts your yards after contact because he didn't gain any. So anyway, yeah, zero yards after contact because no one could contact him. He's so that they all need context. And he's definitely one of those players. Real quickly before he move on to wide receivers, I just want to give a couple of shout outs to some other rookie running backs. It was a wild ride. And it was a really wild ride for some day three guys that got in the mix, the cam scataboo, Woody Marks, who in the playoff game looked pretty good. We had Kyle Menungai, who 43% of his carriers this year went for five plus yards. That was tied for the most in the league. He was really good. And then we had we had Bill, who was the hottest thing ever to be relevant to the end of the season go, okay, it wasn't so bad. 808 on the ground. He is currently the only running back under contract entering the offseason for the commanders only in the entire NFL. Yes, for the commander, only Bill could do that. Any any quick thought Bill Kroski doesn't sign contracts. His word is his bond. That's I know you're a bit by shop. What about by shop tuten guy? Yeah, I think tuten's at least worth mentioning here just because Travis ETN is a free agent. Now ETN is Trevor's boy. He performed very well this year. I could see them bringing him back for sure. Please, please bring him back. But if you recall the conversation after the NFL draft, there was a lot of like, oh, the GM wanted this guy. They targeted this guy specifically. And I think tuten showed on his limited touches like he's got the juice. This guy can play. He was awesome in the playoff game. I didn't really give him much volume, but he made a couple of really big plays this past weekend. So just wanted to highlight that if they for whatever reason will move on from ETN and don't bring in like a next bell Kyle kind of back. I mean, his value is going to skyrocket. So just just a guy to to monitor if that's all season. Yeah, it seems like with the offense as a whole, the Jacksonville Jaguar are a top half offense. You expect a lot of touchdown scored with Liam Cohen going into next year. And so whether if ETN comes back, he's very valuable. If he goes away, Tuton is very valuable. All right, let's say quick break and we'll talk about you. You, you, you, you forgot one. No, did I? Well, you know, K Caleb Jones. Oh, he is in the down. You did it to yourself, man. We could have just slept under the rug and moved right on. I know. Like that again, we bring up our own, we bring up our own wounds. We don't get everything right. I love the Caleb Johnson. He, I mean, you can't have a more drastic failed than basically not being active. I didn't see Kenneth Gainwell being a superstar running back in the year of 2025, but he was great. It's interesting that the contract situation, I don't think, uh, I don't think Gainwell's under contract. I don't know. I, I'm assuming that they're not going to fire Thomas, but who knows, you know, five straight playoff exits of double digits. Uh, maybe they'll take time to evaluate and next week, there's breaking news or, or not, but I, you know, there's going to be change in the offense, you know, quarterback, everything. I mean, there, there, this is a situation to monitor. And so, I don't know, is there any hope? I, I believe there isn't any hope for Caleb Johnson. There's no hope. I mean, it's just like, I can give you, well, it's one of those things where it's like, I can spin it for you. Yes, spin it. Okay. Rodgers is gone. Let's just say there's something there. I didn't like the rookie. Bubba, he's gone. If Arthur Smith's gone, even better in terms of switching it up, you definitely want Kenny G out of there. And he's going to go wherever Rodgers goes, which might be Cabo. So he'll, he'll be gone there. But bets. And I figured this out last year, if you are a day to pick and you are actually not used to ton your usage almost doubles the next year, regardless of it, it's just, you just need to be a day to pick. So he's going to get like 20 cares. I think he had what? How many cares? He had 28. I don't know for 69. Okay. So he's going to get up to 50, 60 cares. He had 69 Russian yards. Nice. And a catch. Yeah. All right. Let's go. Let's move. All right. I was, we'll hold on. Go for it, bats. You had a thigh. Kyle just cuts me off. He's like, we're done ads. Um, he, this could look so stupid in hindsight. I think he's like the perfect guy, if you're like working on a trade this off season and you're like stuck on like a third round pick or a second round pick, but we all get that way, right? In trades. He's like the perfect guy. It's just, I don't know. I mean, just don't kill Johnson, because I do think there is a world if they move on from Rodgers who Rodgers is like such a, like trust. I'm getting my guys. I'm deciding on the field type of player. If they move on from Rodgers and they go with the split backfield of Jill and Warren and Caleb Johnson, I think the light is on. Now it's, I'm just saying, just throwing it out there. Don't put up, you know, major, we're never wrong. We're just exactly exactly. Don't, don't go out and trade forward this guy, but if you're trying to like treasure and horse it, not just throwing Caleb Johnson, because he did nothing. Sure. Just, that's what I would say about it. Okay. I'm going to send some Boo Boo offers for him and see what happens. No, that's not what you do. You try to trade for other players and then get him in the deal. Kyle, come on. Nobody wants this guy. He's barely in the league. Let's move on to wider receivers, which changing gears. Overall, the all sentiment on the, this year's rookie wider receivers. Mine's just kind of, it's not great. I would say pretty good. Pretty good. We got some this is. See, this is, I think the most interesting post mortem of the season is the rookie wider receiver class coming into this last year. We were coming off of a year where Brandon Thomas Jr., Malik neighbors, Lad McConkey, we had three top 12 rookie wide receivers in fantasy football. And we knew going into last year that that was a special class. That's to say nothing of Marvin Harrison Jr. Like this, this was, that was supposed to be a really deep wide receiver class coming into this year. This year that we're talking about right now was supposed to be a very good running back class and a very weak wide receiver class. The wide receiver class was like, okay, Travis Hunter isn't really a wide receiver. He's a cornerback. We're not sure that you got Teterola Mcmillan. Okay, he's, he should be a stud. And then it's like a hodgepodge of question marks. As the season started, it seemed like man, okay, we are going to be good. Travis Hunter is going to be a wide receiver, not a cornerback. He's, he's going to play a little cornerback. He's going to be a wide receiver. So you got Tatt, you got Travis Hunter, a mecca at Buka outstanding. He's going to be a, he's, he's the next Justin Jefferson, you know, you still had a first round wide receiver draft pick in in Matthew golden that like, there was, I think, a period of time this year, where it was like, man, were we wrong? Was this a really deep good wide receiver draft class? And now come to the end of the year where Buka just disappeared. Travis Hunter obviously got injured, but even though we could say the breakout was coming because he had one game, it was like, it was still just what he had one good game at wide receiver before the injury. Matthew golden is who we thought he was or at least who we thought he was, not who the green bit backers thought he was. He's not a first round wide receiver, not that good. Jayden Higgins disappointed. Okay, maybe a late breakout from Lutherburden maybe, but that's Mr. Loveland's team now. It's like this, me looking at this wide receiver class, I think it panned out how we thought it would pan out during the early off season, which was pretty negative on the wide receivers. I don't think this was a good class. We are who they thought we were kind of thing. It's, it's like at Buka just to give some context. Those first five games were the second most fantasy points of all time scored in the first five games of a rookie wide receiver. So it's not just like I mean, Puka is the only one that's better. And then it's this historical drop off. Mick Millen. Mick Millen was a rough ride for the first half of the year where you were like, okay, he's getting the targets because like his target cheerleading the year looks awesome. 27% that is a top five mark all time for a rookie wide receiver. Really good. And yet it really took a long time to get eight. And you're talking about Tadaroa Mick Millen. I just said Mick Millen after a Buka and I thought for a second, you were, you were talking about his teammate. But I thought Tadaroa Mick Millen was exactly who I thought he was as he's a target earner, big body, and he ended up with a thousand and seven touchdowns. He's going to be a dominant stud. I truly believe that. Yes, and that's, so that was part of the equation is this is Drake London and Drake London took a while to develop. But you know that this is alpha type stuff. And the way that they drafted from the top 10, it was there. His season, he finished a wide receiver. 17 was really, really good. But at Buka is the exact opposite. So Betts, I'll let you start first. How do we contextualize at Buka, his season, moving forward? It's all Gronk's fault, dude. Literally all Gronk's fault from, yeah, from the pre egg big boo moment on national TV. This guy was dominating 18 minutes people, it's for game 89 receiving year, it's for game after that happened 41.1 year, it's for game six. What do you want to do? It's for game. So Gronk, thanks so much for ruining our beloved, I big Buka. It's so tricky because in some ways, we kind of knew regression would hit for him throughout the course of the season. If you guys recall early on, he was running white hot on touchdown production. Not that his peripherals weren't also good, but he was just scoring like every week and sometimes twice. And it's like, okay, that will eventually come back down. But it's so weird because the timing of the fall off kind of correlated with like when Baker started to get really banged up, remember played through the shoulder injury. I think there's going to be more news that we get in the off season where it's like, oh, he had a knee scope, you know, stuff like that. He just did not look healthy. And then like Evans also coming back and Chris Goblin getting healthier down the stretch. So it was almost like, not that we should have seen it coming from this level of fall off, but anybody that expected him to stay as like the wide receiver to or whatever he was through the first five or six weeks probably was misled in terms of what we were getting. Now zooming out. I still think he is a very talented player. And I certainly want pass getters to the Baker Mayfield. I know this past year was not great, but largely over the last couple seasons, we've seen him have support really, really good high-end wide receiver seasons. And Mike Evans is yet another year older. So I'm still very much in on him even though I know it's really tough to say that with what we saw for basically two months down the stretch. Are we going to find out something about Baker after like in the week or two? I like to the point of not just the physical part, but so he was so he was so bad to give you a stat. He was the worst against man coverage of any quarterback over the last four years, the worst of any quarterback, not just like he was worse than Dylan Gabriel. And I feel like the team had no answers. So is this going to fix itself is really the question. They're going to new OC this next year. We don't know who it is yet, but another one for Baker to learn another system. Greg Roman, you know, freshly available. So yeah, let go. Thank goodness. I don't know. Jason, what do you think about just the buccaneers moving forward? Because I'm assuming I'm assuming Evans isn't back. back. But maybe I'm wrong. I think if you want to come back, they'll have them back. Yeah. Mike Evans, we experience this, you've experienced this back in the day. I guess it worked out a little different with Julio. But with like Larry, Larry was past his prime was making tons of money. It's past his prime. And the way that the Cardinals, the Cardinals, maybe because they weren't a good enough franchise, they put Larry ahead of the franchise. It was basically Larry, what do you want to do? We'll do whatever you want to do. You want to retire. We'll let you retire. You want to go. We'll let you go. You want to sign here. We'll let you sign here. It was just his decision. I feel like that's almost where Mike Evans is. He is like the Tampa Bay Buccaneer now at this point in his career. And so if he wants to come back and play, he'll play. I think he'll come back and play. I don't think he wants to leave on a sub thousand yard season. In fact, I think he's going to play several more years. But I don't have a crystal ball on that. What I do think is that a mecca ebukah is a great wide receiver. He was a my guy for me this year, which felt super great. The first half of the season as basically the best rookie wide receiver we've seen in a long, long time, absolutely dominant, great hands, great route running, great connection, reliability. He was just a pros, pros, a rookie, which is why I loved him coming out. He was, you know, I, I said in the, the draft process, Teterola McMillan is a higher fantasy like, you know, big bottom boom. But the best wide receiver in this draft class is a mecca ebukah. He did not remember how to play wide receiver. He's not a bad wide receiver, despite the end. And really, to me, this is Baker Mayfield, the catchable balls that mecca ebukah got were few and far between. And I think they were so surprising he would drop them too often. But look at those first 11 weeks versus the last eight games played from not a mecca ebukah, from Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield splits at that point in time, starting in week 11. He went from 64% completion percentage down to 62%. He was on pace for 4,100 yards. Then he was down to 3,100 yards. A thousand yards less was his pace, 30 passing touchdown pace to 21. And a four interception pace, like he was, you know, MVP, MVP, 30 touchdowns, four picks was the pace he was on to 19 interceptions. That was his pace in the last eight weeks, Baker sucked. And I, I really think he was banged up because just the way that, you know, mecca ebukah is not a bad wide receiver, Baker's not a bad quarterback. We've seen Baker play poorly before, get kicked out of Cleveland, washed out of Carolina. So it's, it's a little scary that maybe he doesn't figure it out. But I'm hoping that it's injury. And I'll probably be back in coming. Jason Moore, known Baker Mayfield hater, just known. Hmm. Is that what just came through? Well, I love Baker. I know you do. On top of the Baker health question marks, we also need to remember this offensive line was like shuffling the entire season. Remember that, like, Justin Worf's towards the end of the year, missed time. He also missed time at the start of the year. They've shuffled in a different guard. The right tackle was in out of the lineup. I think when you look back on the season, obviously, we don't want to like just make excuses for players over and over again, because that kind of gets you in trouble sometimes in dynasty. But I think for this specific situation, in hindsight, when we take a step back and analyze the brutality of the bucks, it kind of makes sense in some degrees. I'm not saying the falloff should have been this drastic, but it does make sense when you start to put the pieces of the puzzle together, offensive line, Baker, all the things we talked about. So I'm glad we all, well, I don't know Kyle's opinion, but I feel like Jason Meyer still in on Mr. Big Boo. Yeah, if you just look at the totality of the season, he earned a target on 26% of its routes. That's like 90 second percentile over the last decade for a rookie. So in terms of the marks we want for a rookie wide receiver, a 23% target share, he was pretty good against zone. I care about all that stuff. He's fine. It was just so boosted at the beginning of the year that now the question is like, how far does he fall? I think he's probably in that top 15 range still, which is really good. Would you rather have him? Okay, be some other Ohio state wide receivers. Him or Garrett Wilson in dynasty. Bet. Oh, man. I don't know if I can answer that without knowing his point. I'm going to throw lava too, by the way. Oh, man. Kyle, don't do this. I think I would take a book over Wilson, but I don't want to say I don't feel good about that. There's a two year gap between those two wide receivers and a book. Oh, that is so tough. Honestly, I don't know age. You're saying there's a two year age. Yes. I don't think it's that big, but a lot of he's going to get paid this off season. You will. Yeah, a lot. Yeah, he should, right? He's he's coming into his fifth year. He was a first round or so. It'll have his fifth year option picked up. I'm sure. Yes. Or they'll work out a deal. I think I'd still rather have a book, but it's it's close. All right. I want to quickly mention these last two wide receivers before we head out, sleuth or burden, who any time I've ever put out any tweet about Luther burden, the Bears fans come out of the woodworks and they think he's the greatest thing that's ever happened. Also, whenever I put out stuff about Matthew Golden, the Bears fans come in and they remind everyone, they're really good at reminding everybody. Luther burden only at 60 targets on the season. It's not a lot to work with. It took a long time. In fact, you can get a lot of statistics where it's like Zikias was more involved for a long portion of the season, right? Where was like a burden wasn't the dude, but the yards for outrun is historic. It's the highest for rookie wide receiver. That was drafted in rounds one, two and three. So he was really, really good on a per out basis. A lot of his stuff was crossers. It was the highest rate of any wide receiver in the NFL, 24% of his routes were crossers. My question is, is there a certain point where his hype is way too high? Maybe. I think it's possible. Like for instance, he's he's now in the range where I'm seeing him in the top 20 of dynasty wide receivers. And even I'm seeing some people say I'd rather have burden than a buka. But that is obviously like sentiment over the last month or so. So yeah, of course, because in fantasy championship week, like I was the wide receiver one, right? Just went crazy against the Niners. And like if a buka did the reverse, where it's like, okay, he was really slow for the first eight weeks. And then he did what he did in the first half and the second half. I think the sentiment around these players would feel a lot different. I think I just I would take probably draft capital as the deciding kind of coin flip there on these two players. I still think he's going to be a very good asset to have on your dynasty roster. But I also think it's important to note. There's going to be weeks where I think it's possible burden kind of not disappears, but is not the focal point because of Mr. Double and and room of dudes, it was out for a lot of the stretch where he was kind of coming on late in the year. So it's a weird offense that I'm not sure we know yet how these pieces are going to fit together next year. Yeah, I know that that's been a point that Jason's brought up numerous times about. Roma Dune say, not being there. How do we figure this out? How would you figure that with love, love? Lin, but Jason, any final thoughts on burden before we sign off? I'm excited for him, but he reminds me of a gadget type of player where he'll have explosive games be very volatile. He'll have very limited production in a lot of games. And so I'm excited for him as a prospect as just an NFL player from from a fantasy perspective. I am. I'm a little bit more skeptical than Mike. Mike is, I don't remember if this was on air or not. He comped them to Antonio Brown. He said that. We have the risks. So yeah, I just want to you, you were bringing up. I was doing some research over here because you were bringing up who would you rather have between a buka or the other Ohio state guys like Garrett Wilson or Chris O'Lavi, which Garrett Wilson dynasty wise, this last year. I mean, what was he like? Why do you were eight, seven, five, no one? No one in prison. Yeah, entering the season. I mean, just the young hotness, you know, leader in receptions and targets for the first couple years, such a superstar. And I'm pretty sure O'Lavi, because of his concussion stuff, was like, why are two or 40? Like people don't want him, even in dynasty, everyone's scared. But I wanted to look at their career numbers compared to one another. Who has more games played Chris O'Lavi or Garrett Wilson? It's got to be a lobby. I feel like it's Wilson. It is Wilson 58 to 55. They're very close, 58 to 55. So Garrett Wilson has played three more games on O'Lavi. Who has more receptions? Oh, Wilson. This one should be easy. Wilson. 315 to 291. So not that far apart, but also three more games. Who has more yards? Chris O'Lavi or Garrett Wilson O'Lavi when you have 395 in a season that hurts. Yeah. O'Lavi, 3728 to 3644. And who has more touchdowns? O'Lavi. O'Lavi or Garrett Wilson? O'Lavi is not other than this year. It's not been a lot of touchdowns, but this year put him ahead. Yeah. Yeah, I did 19 to 18. So basically more yards, more touchdowns, fewer games than Garrett Wilson. They're the same exact age. I don't know, man. One of them's got a quarter Don't tell me how to have a good time. I've Talked about Crystal Ave and put more hope in him than almost anybody else in the league and it's hurt for years And this year was great, so We will talk more rookies. So the rookies we didn't get to talk about Jayden Higgins you guys want to hear about Matthew Golden. We'll talk about Travis Hunter this offseason all those guys. We made sure to talk about all those guys They're available in the dynasty pass. We'll talk to you next week Goodbye Thanks for listening to the fantasy footballers Dynasty podcast If you want to take your dynasty skills to the next level check out the fantasy footballers dot com