Rookie Draft Worries + Talkin' to the People - Dynasty Fantasy Football

[music] Welcome to the Fantasy Footmuller's dynasty podcast with Borg Betz and a Baller. [music] Welcome back! It's Wednesday, March 25th here. Fantasy Footmuller's dynasty podcast. I'm your host today, Kyle Borgononi, I'm joined by Matthew Betz and Jason Moore. And Kyle, more importantly, the people. I mean, this is the people's show. You know, you put out the polls on Twitter. Oh, that's true. We got their input into the show. There are takes. We're going to bring all that down today. So I like these kind of things. Usually, it's going to be fun. Usually, we don't give a fart about the audience. Not a single one. We don't even. Not any farts. We bottle 'em up. We squeeze it tight. And we don't care about the full clean. But on this specific episode, this is your episode, people. Yeah. Now, normally, we will waft in our own brand and be fine with it. Oh, yeah. And. But we want yours. That's essentially what we're saying. You know, my favorite thing to say after a fart now, you know, since we're talking farts. Yeah, yeah. Is. That one's going to itch when it dries. That's my new go-to. I was not ready for that. Yeah. I've heard that before. And it's beautiful. No. Yeah. It's mostly. You mostly use that to strangers. I'm assuming. Oh, for sure. First impression. In a group. Yeah. But try it on for a size. You got to wait for the right sounding one. You know what I mean? It's got a sound of smidge wet. No, you got to go that route. I did have this new fart endeavor. My son plays pitcher. And he's only six years old, but he's like, Dad, sometimes I'm out there. Is he a pitcher in T-Ball? Yep. And nice. And he will just rip them out there. Because he's just out there for a long time. And he's like, Dad, what should I do when I fart? And so I said, you could signal to me just so I know we're on the same page. So he's got a signal. He kind of does a little shooter thing. Oh, I love it. That's the father's son. That's the mom. That's the next level parenting, Kyle. You should be so proud of yourself. I actually am very, very proud, but he like takes the time mid-game to share his farts with me and no one else. But. May be beautiful. Yeah. Welcome to The Dynasty Show. Yeah. I'm glad you're here. We are talking to the people. We have a number of polls that we put out on X. And I really wanted to get a pulse of how people feel about some of these questions heading in closer to the NFL draft. So we'll talk some prospects. Some of the guys that we've highlighted on the show over the last two months. I'm changing my opinion because we are starting to get a little bit more informed about maybe landing spots. I started going through the process of where are these teams? Where are they putting their top 30 visits? And you kind of start to line up some of that we have some data that we'll put out over the next month or so. But like, there are certain teams like the Browns have basically gone all in on wide receivers at their second pick. It's like, if they don't take Cornell Tate at pick six, the one that they got from the Jaguars in the 20s, it's like, man, you are visiting with a lot of the wide receivers that we think can go in that direction. And I want to talk about that later because the Browns kind of care for me. Oh, yeah, I mean, that's that's one of those like you are you know, they're taking a wide receiver, right? And so you're just you look at all the guys that could go in the first round and you order them in reverse order. You say, who do I hate the most? That's what I that's who you're hoping the Browns take. So you could just be OUT. Yeah, like if they took Keon Coleman in the past, like that kind of player that I didn't like, it's like cool. I did like him anyways. Now, I definitely don't have to like them. But what if they take Concepcion? They're gonna have to struggle with that one, Kyle. Well, what if like Tyson, a lot of the injury concerns have popped up recently about Tyson. He didn't run his pro days. You know, it's been this hamstring injury that he's had for a while. It's like, man, what if Tyson ends up on the Browns? It's possible. It also hurts my heart. There's also a lot of, I mean, this is the time of year where the NFL mock draft, not rookie drafts. Mock drafts kind of have the same carryover. And you'll see like a lot of the repeat, same players with same team. Right now, a very common pairing is Carnell Tate with the sixth pick to Cleveland. That's gonna be a tricky conversation. But yeah, it seems very clear either with that pick or the second pick. They're gonna be addressing wide receiver at some point early on. If you want all of our rookie rankings, start up rankings, production profiles. You can find them in the dynasty pass. That is part of the ultimate draft kit. Plus we're actually in the process right now of finishing adding all the scouting reports of every single player that we have ranked. And I added them up. I don't know how we ended up with this number with 10 quarterbacks, 15 running backs, 20 wider sewers, 10 tight ends, which just so happens to add up to. 55. We did it. We got to stay on brand. Yeah. And to be honest, it's like we really had to push it on the quarterbacks because it's like, uh, there really 10 guys that we need to like profile. But we did it for the people. No, there's not. There's really not. So you can find all that ultimate draft kit.com. My quick question for us is about rookie drafts and where you are starting to get a bit nervous. This can be about your own teams. So, you know, maybe you have a pick, you're like, man, I kind of mocked this a couple of times. I've gone through the process and I'm like, I don't know how this feels or, man, if this player goes in this spot, like we talked about earlier, it's like that changes things. So Jason, I'll let you start first. Where are you getting a little nervous? I think it's the back of the first round in rookie drafts where. I mean, obviously we don't know exactly where all these water sewers are going to go yet. Is Denzel Boston? Is he a first rounder? Is he a second rounder? Where's Omar Cooper and Chris Brown? These guys are like the ones where depending on where they get drafted, there will be a lot of question marks in the profile. They could end up being hits and they could end up just being kind of. And that's always the spot in my usual rookie drafts where I look at in this case, it would be Mendoza. And I'd say, do I want the number one overall pick, who I know is going to have a super long leash. You know, look at Bryce Young, right? Bryce Young was benched and forgotten. And he's still playing. He's still the starter. He still has fantasy relevant games and he's been bad. So when you have that number one overall draft capital, that's where I get nervous where I go, do I want to take the kind of 50/50 shot on one of these watches? And to be honest, this is, I know this is supposed to be this deep wide receiver draft class. And usually when there is a broad brush stroke arc over a draft, it's correct. And so I do lean that this will be a deep draft class. But a lot of those guys in that spot, I'm just, I have a few concerns on the production. You know, guys that they're looking to get great NFL draft capital and never got a thousand yards in a season. That's always one of those like, that that gives me the X. I don't like high draft capital waters viewers who didn't get a thousand yards in college. Like it just feels icky. And there's a handful of those guys that are like top two round picks that never did that. And I don't know. So at that point at the back of the first, I'm going to be going, you know, let me just take, let me just take the short thing. Let me take the high draft capital quarter back. Right. And obviously I'm talking single QB leagues here because super flex. He'll be much higher. I was thinking about last year and how we had those wide receiver question marks at the end of the first round. I was like, well, Matthew golden's the first round NFL pick. Do I take him around the one 12 or it's silly thing about now, but Luther burden was kind of in that same spot. That French first round second round, you're like, well, he wasn't a first rounder like golden. And he didn't have the same production as he had earlier in his career. And then you had like tray Harris, you had these other names in the mix. Jaden Higgins where it was like, it wasn't obvious. Now we look back like man, burden's the best player of that group, but it wasn't at the time. No. And honestly, as you roll through those names, you are highlighting that it was a very weak wide receiver draft class because it really was. That was another one of those broad brush stroke overarching thoughts on like this is a weak wide receiver draft class last year. That's what it was said. And that is really, really true. So the piggyback on Jason's point there, Kyle and I last week on the show talked about kind of the next maybe like two tiers of wide receivers. Basically from like the Indiana guys, kind of all in word with gurmy and Malachi fields and brazil and all these guys. And I felt bad because after every one of these guys, my conversation kind of end point was like, I can see you're rolling the NFL. It's hard to see this guy being a top 24 top 36 fantasy wide receiver, which obviously we care about. So you're going to see so many day two wide receivers, but like Jason said, you can poke holes in every single one of these players outside of kind of the big three in this class. So while it has been built as like a really good wide receiver class, I'm with you. The production doesn't match that kind of overarching statement. So I'll take a one step further. I think after the 105 and rookie drafts. It's it feels like landmines everywhere if I'm being honest like you say after the 105 so I'm just curious. The 105 to you, is that city? - I guess I should say after the 104. At the 105, it starts to get super sketchy, like, Cedeek, you can make the argument for it. I like KC Concepcion. Some people love Omar Cooper. Like Kenyan Cedeek, I get the excitement, especially with the athletic testing, and all that sort of stuff in the first round draft capital. But Kyle and I talked about this on the Titan show. It's like, his production doesn't really match kind of what we've been used to with some of these elite Titans coming out, thinking about last year with Loveland and Warren and Harold Fanon's efficiency, like is career highs 560 yards? - Right, exactly. And even the reception teacher, if you just break it down by the offense, the reception chair, yarded chair, it's not what we're used to seeing for these kind of high profile Titans. And so yeah, you can start to poke holes and basically everybody after the 104, in my opinion. So I came in kind of this cycle of thinking, like, okay, maybe it's not the deepest class in the world, but there's probably gonna be a couple diamonds that kind of emerged there at the 105 to like 108 range. And as the days and weeks go by, just feel less and less confident in that take. And so for me, like if I have these kind of middle to back first round picks in my drafts, like I am bookmarking, trying to figure out like, who can I target in a trade while I'm on the clock when those picks have a ton of value, or even just leading up to the NFL draft. I just think this class is kind of overall, very, very, very top heavy and it gets super sketchy beyond that. - I feel like Jason is, like the way that he's described some of these players, like he, you're a yardage king. You're a yardage czar that when these players are coming before you, you're like, not impressive. Not enough. A thousand yards, not good. Sadeek, 500, and I do agree with you, and I agree with Betts' point that like, comparatively to Lovell and Warren, all these other guys, and Bowers, it's nowhere close. I think I feel, I feel fine hitting a double with Kenyan Sadeek, where I think most people think they're hitting a home run at 105 or 106. Baseball now. - Yeah, you just don't wanna hit a double at the 105. - Like whoever, whatever position, your first round pick, and that's a top half first round pick, you expect to be adding an asset, a known commodity, a future star for your fantasy team. And I think right now, there's gonna be a lot of doubles in the back half of the first. - Yeah, what you should have done is just suck as a team and have two top five picks, right? That's the plan. - That's the goal. - Every year? - Is the predicament that I'm in in the Dino Junior League that we're in together? - We'll pick, do you have any? - And I bring two top five picks, like I said. - Okay. - Come give me some specifics. - My point is that I have started to get to the point in the process where I have overthought, and gone in so many directions about tape, lemon, Tyson, those three versus each other. Because, I don't know how people play fantasy football. I play, I assume I'm gonna do something stupid and wrong. Like I just, I just start off that way. I don't assume that my opinion's correct. And depending on the day, Jason, I have message Beth and say I feel like it's the tape day. I'm in. - Oh, okay. - Or the next. - So today is what matters the most. You've never been as old as you are today. What, order those three as of this moment in time. - For fantasy football. - Tyson, tape, lemon. - Okay. - Oh, that's didn't like it. - All right, Beth, where are you at today? - Beth smelled a bad fart from you. - Kyle ripped, you know what, just for people that care, Kyle has the one of two. He also has the one of five. - You know, like, what kind of lemon man? The third of those guys, you want somebody that didn't really give a ton of elite production, but like, you don't care about the catches and yardage. I mean, what's your thing there? You don't like guys that act like I'm on Rossane Brown? Was it the interview? Was it the weird looking 40? - I mean, in my attitude only league, off my board, nowhere even close, like I could not, no. It's, I go through every single little thing. It's like, okay, we can use draft capital, 'cause right now we think Tate is gonna go first. He's minus 300 to be the first wide receiver taken. No big deal, we got that at like, well, minus 115 bets. But, you take all the other stuff and you're like, well, Tyson broke out really early, has a better dominator rating, and I think he projects to be Justin Jefferson-esque at the next level. Tate, I have question marks, but I also think he's gonna be drafted first and I think he could grow into something bigger. Lemon, he would be the highest slot only wide receiver drafted, but he wasn't just a slot only wide receiver in college the year before. So, I just have all of these factors. I could see any of the three of them end up, and I just feel like I'm gonna guess wrong. - Well, whoever you do, whoever you don't take at one or two, will make my decision a lot easier at one or three. - Yes. - Sounds like bets is going lemon 103. - If God doesn't take them, I probably will. - It would be me to go like, just a stick it to bets. I'm gonna take a lemon, even if I don't believe it. - I don't want them, but I hope you do. - Oh man. But like, could you see the case last little question here? Could you see the case for any of those three to be the top fantasy wide receiver? Or is it just like, one of them, I can't see it, Jason. - No, yeah, no, I mean, all three are. They are in, I think, a similar tier. I would agree with you that I still like Tyson's core abilities most for fantasy football, projecting to be able to go down field, to be able to be a goal line receiver. All three have the same potential of stardom. So, I don't mind putting them in a, I mean, honestly, like, if I was in, you know, if I had the 102 in three different leagues, I might genuinely take, in each one, take a different guy, just to kind of spread out the deck a little bit among my leagues, but I don't know what it's like having a top half first round pick. I, I, unless I, - You have it one. - I traded it a long time. - I haven't won the championship in a few years. - Yes, handed the banner, third place, baby. - Oh, I mean, look, I don't, I don't draft in the, in the top. I, I was able to acquire the 101 via a trade a couple years ago, got B. John outside of that. I don't, I don't deal with your guy as well. - I don't deal with your guy as well. - How'd that feel? - That felt great, man. - And the best part about it is, like for two months, leading up to it, you just get to dangle that pick out in front of your league. I got it, come and get it if you want it. - That's the year that we ended up with a 102. And we kicked ourselves. Do you know who that ended up being? - Oh, yeah. - JSN, right? - JSN. - Yes, and we now, in a dynasty startup, I would definitely take JSN ahead of B. John without a doubt. - Dynasties, why? - So, it worked out. - That year after JSN, we got so many offers. Everyone's like, man, I guess we'll just take them off your hands. - I mean, I made you an offer and it got rejected, right? - We just were super stubborn. All right, let's hit quick break. And we'll talk to the people. (upbeat music) - We pulled thousands of people, really looking at the results on X. And we're going to talk through some of those questions. Let's go. (upbeat music) - Let's talk to the people. (upbeat music) - The first question I think, I love at JSN's on this podcast, because the question is, who is your RB2 in this year's class? And our own Marvin Eloquin, who does a lot of dynasty writing for us, I think puts this in context best and we'll talk about the results. But he said, if you look at all the past draft classes of the last decade for running back, 2026 projects that the largest gap between RB1 and the projected RB2 in his model, and then when you start to look at mock draft databases, and then when you just ask people, you kind of get a, you know, wide opinion. Like, it's wild to think about, we're looking at this class, and I don't think anybody firmly knows who will be drafted second, much less who will be the better fantasy running back. 'Cause that's not always true, right? You're the second running back draft, it doesn't mean you're the best for fantasy. So, we ask the people who is your RB2's, Jonah Coleman coming in first at 36%, Giderian Price at 34%, Mike Washington, Jr., 20%, and Emmett Johnson at 10% Jason. Did these results surprise you at all? Um, they did not really surprise me much. I know that the world likes Jardians a lot more than I do being Giderian Price. Uh, I, Jonah Coleman is a player I really enjoy watching. He's my number two, that's what the people agreed to by a, by a sliver as well. But the truth is, I mean, you know, that we, we keep talking about that broad, overall view of a draft, and this year, it's thought to be a very weak running back draft class, and that bears out in almost every possible way. Project a draft capital. Um, you know, I've, I've talked about hinted about my Felix score that I've developed this offseason. And if you want to compare that, like, okay, what is the gap between running back one, and then that, that second running back? So, Jonah Coleman is the, and the Felix score will change when there's actual draft capital. Right now it's all just projected. Um, but right now, Jonah Coleman is the second running back according to my Felix model at, at a 75th percentile score. So, at running back two to be at 75, to give you an example, last year was a very good running back draft class. There were seven running backs last year that were above a 75th percentile score in my Felix model. Even the year prior that was Tray Benson and John of them Brooks, both of those guys scored more than 75. And, and that was also a week draft class. And, you know, the, then, so I, to me, I think that this is like, I, I like Joan of Coleman. I could easily see after the draft being like, I don't like Joan of Coleman. I don't like really many of them. There's going to be like the, the Adam Randall's and the Mike Washington's that we just enjoy and have hope and excitement for, but overall the, the conversation of running backs, if you take out Jeremiah love, it is, it's a, it's a crappy year. And so I think landing spot will matter probably more than talent. Do you, so I want to go through this list and kind of just assess like when I look at these guys, I think of all the check boxes we have for running back of these four guys. Who has the size speed combo that we always look for? So like Jason, you always talk about big body backs that can run under a four, four. Who's that guy in this class? Uh, that guy, I mean, Mike Washington obviously is, I think of this group. He's the one that checks that box. If we're talking touchdowns, it seems like it's either Joan of Coleman or Nicholas Singleton to be honest. Yeah. I mean, so I, I, I liked Nicholas Singleton more than most people did because another thing I, you know, you want touchdowns, we talk about that's one of those, weirdly sticky stats from college production at the running back for fantasy football. When you have rushing touchdowns in college, they translate to fantasy success in the NFL. And then you've got past catching upside. So to me, Nicholas Singleton, he was my running back three pre NFL draft after Joan of Coleman. The injury just sucks because I don't know what's going to happen with draft capital, whether he falls in the NFL draft, whether teams will view him as a foundational piece or not. And a lot of people really don't like Singleton. They don't even think he was the best back on his own team. For me, I like a big running back who can catch the ball and be a goal line. I mean, that's where all fantasy points comes from scoring touchdowns and catching the ball. Like that's really where it comes from. So that's why I, I like Singleton not because I watch film and go, this dude's special. I like it because I go, this guy's big and does what fantasy points get scored from. That's what you should do it. I, I just worry that when I start going on list, who's the, who's the big fast guy, Mike Washington? Who scores the touchdown? Jonah Coleman. Who's the most elusive? I think it's Jadarian price. Who's the best pass catcher? Uh, Coleman or Emmett Johnson? Who gets drafted first? I guess it's Jadarian price based on what people are telling me, but I don't know. So all of that to say, like, I feel like I'm still going to be left with the same exact question a month from now. Do you feel that way, Ben? Yes, I know. I think the NFL draft is going to tell us a lot about, but even if prices taken second, would you call him the fantasy RB two, not necessarily because if there's, let's say he goes in the second round, which, you know, his current mock draft database number is 47. So if he's the second round pick, and nobody else has taken until day three, okay, you probably have to use draft capital as a tiebreaker there. But if he's taken in the second round and somebody else has taken like kind of at the fringe round two, three area, I'm not going to put so much stock into prices draft capital. So if there's a larger scraper team, the NFL says this guy is clearly RB two from a draft capital standpoint, and everybody else is kind of in this round four bucket. Like I'll probably will just use that as a tiebreaker or throw my hands up and say probably, but I think it's really landing spot dependent and draft capital dependent with this group quite honestly. It is, but I don't remember your guy's opinion on Jardines. I know I have been more overly negative, but a lot of people out there just absolutely love him and say that, you know, if it wasn't for Jeremiah love, he would have been this great explosive back. You know, obviously in the last, I think it was, I forget which mock draft where he was taken in the first round. I think that was Daniel Jeremiah's maybe, but to Seattle. You know, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what a great landing spot there if that happened, but what is your guys' opinion on price? I don't remember. I get the vision of him being a day two pick. Like I see the path for him to go there. I obviously can't really use the pass catching stuff to project forward for fantasy. Which catching it just I just can't do that. So I I'm not like I like him as a player. I thought he would test better than he did. And therefore it confirmed some of the NFL draft capital stuff, but I think he's good in the open field like as a runner. And I love the kick return stuff. Just like I can see that translate to the NFL, but he's more like a third round pick. And in this class, maybe he is up in as a second round pick because of the supply. Yeah, it's funny. If he was in last year's draft class, I mean, I don't, if he came out with all those guys, you're talking about like, I feel like he would have been a fourth or fifth, fifth round pick. Like it just kind of. I think we don't really have him like playing scataboo as a prospect. And and the idea. Oh, for a third or fourth round, you know, so it's like, yeah. So it's just one of those like it's ironic when a down year pushes bad players up. It's like, wait, shouldn't they should they go lower? It's like, well, no, scarcity. Yeah. And a couple of weeks, we're going to be talking about landing spots. And I've started to go through the process of looking on day two. Who has what pick? So like, for instance, Washington, they're one of the teams that are connected with Jeremiah love. If he's there at seventh, they don't even have a second round pick. So then they have to wait all the way to pick 71. And there's a couple other like the giants. A giants are another team. Like could they get Jeremiah love at five? They don't have a third round pick. So it's interesting to figure out what they do early and how that affects their draft capital on the rest of day two. So we'll be talking about some of those San Francisco's interesting to me. This is just a random. They have four fourth round picks. And three of them are because of compensatory picks. I guarantee it's going to be one of those running backs that goes in the fourth round. And we're like 49ers running back. I'm down with this. And and we're going to go crazy for it. So we'll talk later. Who would you hope? Who would you hope? Which one of your guys would because obviously you're behind Christmas after your dad is rookie barring injury? Which guy would you be like, that's who I want to be on that team? Emmett. Yeah. I just I like Emmett. Emmett. All right. I've been going with Emmett. He would be like Washington feels like a 49er doesn't he? The size speed combo that Shannon always loves. Big Mike. Yeah. I could see it. This next question I think brought up a really interesting discussion. We also got some good comments from it in a dynasty startup. Which of these wide receivers are you taking? And I took these guys because they're back to back to back to back in our dynasty start rank. He's in Malik neighbors. Who was at almost 50%. Okay. Justin Jefferson, about 21% Amman Ra was at 18 and a half. And then CD came in last at 13% and there's an age discrepancy. So I think some people see the phrase dynasty startup. They're like, if I'm starting today, I'm obviously not taking the oldest guy of the group. But that's not actually how we have them ranked. So neighbors doesn't shock me that he's the top pick. But would you guys take neighbors in a dynasty startup right now over these guys? Oh, man. This is I think. Yeah. I had to look at my own rankings and really think if I was on the clock in a startup, who would I genuinely take? And it would be neighbors. I would I would rather have the 22 year old versus the 26 year old. Obviously coming off the injury. That sucks. But that's a large enough gap where I feel like that that doesn't mean in, you know, in my current league that I would rather have neighbors than CD land. But it does mean if I'm starting from scratch and I'm building a foundation that I would tie break towards neighbors because it gives me four more years to build. If I'm, if I know, especially because this is the first round of a startup, right? You don't know if you built a veteran team. You don't know if you built a win now team. The draft comes to you as you go along. So that's where it's like in that first round, I want a younger foundational piece because I don't know if at the end of the draft, I'm going to look at my dynasty team that I just drafted and say, I am absolutely a year one contender. I might be, but I might not. If I'm not a year one contender, like if I don't look like I think I'm one of the top four teams in the league at the, at the draft, then I would much rather have Malik neighbors and CD land. But if I was a contender in my actual dynasty league, you know, I would prefer the guy that's healthy right now. Yeah, that's, I completely share that and that take. I said, Ah, this feels tough. And then I was equate him in four years. Four years is a lot when you're thinking about wide receiver age. Like he's not even close to his prime yet, which is crazy to say obviously the injury and everything, but like what he did is a rookie in the first couple of games. I think we all agree he's a superstar. It's just like, let's get him healthy. Let's get Jackson Dart another year in the NFL and kind of see what these two can do together. They didn't even get to play together last year at all, barely. So yeah, he's not even 23 years old. To me, that is definitely the type of career. So I agree with the people I would, I would take neighbors first a year ago. Do you feel like Jefferson was the easy answer here? I think the content. I mean, yeah, for sure, Jefferson looked like he was invincible. And then we saw, I really don't think we have analyzed how wildly bad Jefferson's year was. I mean, I know we make excuses and rightfully so his catchable rate was very low, but he played 17 games. He played the entire season. He was massively targeted and was worthless in fantasy. I mean, he just he hurt you if you played him. He was not good. It's like, how can that be possible? If you told me, okay, they're not the best targets, but Joseph Jefferson's going to get 140 plus targets and play the whole season. It's like, okay, bad year, wide receiver 12, wide, you know, like, okay, that's, that's bad, but he was absolutely unhelpful. Yeah, if you, if you told me to be in the year, 29% target share, 35% first for your target share, plays all the 17 games, you're like, oh, it's obviously a top 12 wide receiver. It reminds me of that DeAndre Hopkins year. It was a long time ago with the Texans where he had that insane target share. It was like 150, 160 targets. And he ends up like wide receiver 30 on the year because of how bad the quarterback play was. Which team, so of these teams, giants, Vikings, lions and cowboys, which team situation are you most confident on for dynasty? And like, you mentioned neighbors and Dart haven't played either. That's also like a counterpoint. We're like, I haven't seen them play together. I think they're both good. I also think Dart is wild. And this is a brand new offense. The most stable. Did you include the lions in that group? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I was going to say the lions are the most stable. You know, lions are or the situation with DAC, obviously, the mind mill connection there. But yeah, it's one of those two, Dallas or Detroit. I feel like almond Ross, the pick that I can poke the least amount of holes in of this group. And so you throw a goal line, highly targeted, best situation paid as much as, you know, anybody. So, but he's usually the last one people want of that group because for some reason, he's just not as sexy, right? Blows my mind. Consistency is not sexy, Jason. You know, it sure is. It's just not seen as sexy. Like, man, people need to look at consistency a little bit more. All right. Last little question here. Who do you think is the most talented NFL wide receiver of this group? This is a different than a fantasy conversation. Just who do you think it is? The most talented. Yeah, Jefferson. Yeah. I think we'd all say Jefferson was mine too. I just, I like staring at Jefferson. I'm like, I want him to be the answer. I think he can be the right answer, even in a startup. But I think we all agree. Like, neighbors take the four or five year discount and hopefully the giants are just really fun. Like, they're just a fun team moving forward and we can see where they're going. This next one's pretty quick. But I wanted to follow up about wide receivers. The question was how many wide receivers can you start each week in your main dynasty league? We get questions all the time from people. They're like, Hey, in my league, you know, I'm only starting two wide receivers or two flex or three wide receivers and two flex. And then there's some people out there. It's very small percentage, about 20% that are starting six or more wide receivers every single week. So and you guys main dynasty leagues. How many wide receivers can you start each week? My main one, I believe, is four with two start two and then two flexes. Yeah, our two main dynasty leagues were in are the same. Yeah. I have a full PPR league that is three wide receivers and then there's two flex spots, which is fun and full PPR. Oh, yeah. If you want to go that direction. But it's that super flex. Yes. Yeah. See that if you're playing in a super flex, I really prefer full PPR three wide receiver super flex. It it it evens out. It makes wide receivers so important. And it lets you take advantage of people who get way too enthralled with the super flex and they care about they just think quarterbacks are the only thing that matters and you load up on wide receivers and you beat them. I love that. Yeah, but what if you load up on wide receivers and then you just don't ever win the championship like me in that league. I do need I do need a little help in that league. Next question is about breeze hall and it's interesting the opinions because I the question was what fantasy finish are you expecting for breeze hall on 2026 and I asked for half PPR leagues 61% of the people said that he could be a top 16 running back, which technically he's only done once in his career. The next highest one was 35% said he could be top 24 and then there's a very small percentage that thinks he can hit the extreme outcomes the top 10 or he's just a train wreck. Based on what he is in dynasty where you value him as like a top 15 running back who has a one year deal right now and hopefully gets some deal next year. Do you feel like this is kind of like a man outcome that the people are expecting for breeze hall where it's like he's valued as a top 15 running back people think he can be that and he actually hasn't been that other than 2023. So what do you think that's it's just hard to be a top tier running back when you're scoring expectation each week like as a team like the jets team total every single week is going to be like 16 and a half points. Systemically there's just so many issues with this team like Juno Smith is probably starting for this team that in and of itself is terrifying so he's so talented he catches the football he's so explosive he's so good that the opportunity and the talent will keep his floor somewhat high. I agree though it's just hard to see a top tier ceiling with this version of the jets which feels like it's getting worse which is kind of somehow hard to even imagine. You know you're not a big Frank right guy. I will say they're offensive line I kind of like like they're all it's weird like how most bad teams their line usually is also terrible like I feel like the jets have some dudes on offensive line but Aaron Glenn I don't believe in and Frank right I don't believe in and this team clearly has their eyes set on the 2027 quarterback class so they will be incentivized to be picking in the top three. So systemically I just I think there's just risk here which is why I don't see a huge ceiling. So if you have haul right now and you think about where he's valued as like a top 15 running back is it better than to cash out because what we're still hoping then is that he does hit this outcome and then we hope he gets an extension somewhere like you know three-year free agent deal to go somewhere else and leave purgatory and then it will eventually get better it's like why not just get paid for the top 15 running back you get you have right now. I think that's fair I wouldn't argue with that it's just running backs are so hard to come by and dynasty and we're unlikely going back to our conversation on this class to get anybody outside of Jeremiah love that's really locked in as a contributor for the foreseeable future and so if you got a guy like Breeze Hall who we know the talent is there and you know the workload is going to be there it's so hard to find running backs in dynasty that I could see if you work and tend to are holding on to him but if somebody else out there is still willing to pay for the name value which I'm not even say his name value but like for the talent that he is I would be willing to see what that gets in a trade I think it's just tough I think the shine of Breeze Hall year-over-year in dynasty leagues in the trade market is probably starting to wear off a little bit where he was just so highly coveted his rookie year and coming off injury he was insane and then the jets have just been so so bad year-over-year that I think the shine is kind of worn off a little bit. Do you guys so last little question here with Breeze? Do you feel like if you had him and you're not a contender it's better to wait till your trade deadline because then people are super desperate for running backs than trying to cash out now what what would you rather do Jason? Yeah I think that that's the right approach I mean see what he's doing the the issue you're going to run into right when you get near your trade deadline teams that are wanting to go for it sometimes we'll pay more the other side of that is if you get to your trade deadline and Breeze is not a very relevant you know he's not consistent he's not doing great people are going to just pay out the nose because they need a running back they're going to pay out the nose for a running back that's doing great things and I tend to believe that Breeze is going to have a mediocre season with this version of the jets I currently have Breeze in our main dynasty league and I just can't tell you how angry I was that they tagged him I mean just third level stuff from the jets he wanted to be free and they they won't let him spread his wings and fly and that sucks and they're ruining his best athletic years of his career you know next year does he hit the open market get a new team great but then how many years left you got so if I had him and I'm not a contender I would probably look to trade him off of a great week if week one he comes out with Gino and catches the ball six times and scores a touchdown and is like the running back five or six that's when I'd look to flip him okay that makes sense let's take quick break here and we'll be right back all right we're going to move through a couple more questions here talking to the people this first one is about the second year wide receivers which wide receiver are you most bullish on for a second year breakout of this group group, Jaden Higgins, Travis Hunter or Matthew Golden. So these are all players that you would have drafted last year, Hunter and Golden and probably the first Higgins probably mid to early second. 50% of the people said Higgins, 26% said Travis Hunter, whatever he is as a wide receiver. And then Matthew Golden, whatever he is as a wide receiver. A couple of people responded like, can I just answer nobody? And I said, I get it. Speaking of a down wide receiver draft class last year, I mean, this is the best example of how last year's draft class really was is because the first round wide receiver on a good Packer's team who just lost Romeo Dobbs is coming in third place behind a corner back. You know, it's like, that's rough. It's kind of fair though. It is fair. That's well, no, I would probably take Golden ahead of Hunter. I'm worried that he's not going to play wide receiver, but I mean, Higgins would be my number one of this. And I'm not, like, don't hear what I'm not saying. I'm not out there trading for Jaden Higgins thinking I expect a true breakout coming. I don't, I think you're, I think the people's answers of being like, I mean, none of them is the right answer. I agree with that. Higgins was like fine. Last year's how I put it. Obviously, Matthew Golden's year was a pretty much a disaster. All things considered, like, if you told me in week one, hey, this first round wide receiver, Jaden Reed's going to miss almost the entire season. Christian Watson's coming off the torn ACL, you know, all these things like Tucker Kraft's going to tear his ACL in the middle of the season. The C's part for this guy to emerge and it just never happened. It does happen in the NFL. It's rare. It could happen. The odds are so stacked against this working out. So I'm with the people, like, I think he's thrown on this list. The problem with Travis Hunter, like he said, is we don't know where he's at at wide receiver versus cornerback. And all their moves seem to indicate more corner than wide receiver. There was a report like a month ago in February that that was going to be the case. And all we've seen them do is trade for Jacobi Myers, signed to an extension, try to bring in Jake Bobo, like, the signs are all there. They don't trade by and time is to keep him. It's all the Parker Washington break out. So it really doesn't need him at wide receiver, for sure. So I guess by default, Higgins, but I don't feel good about any of these three. I don't feel like like the only one that feels like a by low, if somebody really just listen to this podcast and they're like, Oh, you guys trash, Matthew Golden. I'm like, I mean, if you want to give it to me for a late second, I'll talk. But Higgins, I feel like you can't really jump in and say other than Nico missing games, is he going to see more than 20% of the targets? Like, that's just kind of where he feels capped. And it just feels like the wrong team for him. Like, I wanted him to be in a different spot to have that role, have a Nico role. And Nico already has that role. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if it's really that bad a spot. CJ Stroud just needs to step up and be better. That's really the truth. They need him to play better at quarterback with Christian Kirk out of the way. The opportunity is there. And when I watched Higgins, I thought he looked good. I never watched him and thought like, ah, there's, you know, I was, I was curious why he didn't get the opportunity more. Like Christian Kirk was hurt twice in the year, started the year, injured, missed two games, a little bit, you know, mid way in the season. And I expected them to really allow Higgins to flourish, you know, going deep into the, you know, into the season, into the playoffs. And they just didn't let him. And so I don't know, maybe that was talent. Maybe they didn't like what they saw or they didn't trust him as well. There's so many things that go into that. However, if it is truly just one of those, you look at the Nico Ryan's and this defensive, you know, team that was winning because they had one of if not the best defense in the league. Just put the veterans out there. The guys aren't going to make mistakes. That's what our offense is not the rookie for his rookie season. And now you lose Christian Kirk and he's not a rookie. And now it's like, okay, now this is your job. Higgins does have a chance, I think, to break out and be special. But if I had to take a year to wide receiver, it would be Luther Burton. Okay, I agree. One thing that's interesting with Golden, like, where would you guys compare him in this year's class? Obviously well behind the big three at the top. But like, once you get to like, I don't know, Denzel Boston range and like, Gurmy and Chris Brazel, like in that crew, like at that point, when you're on the clock, let's say you're at the 202, 203. And like, you're starting to consider like some of those types of names. Would you flip that pick for somebody like Matthew Golden to say, Hey, this is a first round pick on a good offense. Let's just hope it works out because the odds of that second round pick hitting any way are pretty low. What are your guys thoughts on on that type of strategy? No, knowing that Golden had the first round draft capital, he has a leash. If you take that out and just say where as a talent, does he slide in, you know, before the NFL draft last year, like, just like we were talking about with the running backs of like, you know, percentile score of talent, I would have put him behind almost all these wide receivers this year. Last year, I was saying, before the NFL draft, I can't believe people are talking about this as a first round wide receiver. I would, I would see him as a third round wide receiver. That's, I think he's a third round talent going into last year. Obviously, he was drafted in the first. So that does change things. And so I think if you're in the second round of rookie drafts and you can flip a second rounder for a guy who was drafted in the first who they do need does have opportunity, he probably, that probably works. But as far as just pure talent, I'd put Matthew Golden behind probably about six players in this year's draft. Yeah, I'm looking at like who goes at that one to turn or the beginning of the second, like Chris Bell, Chris Brasel. I put him behind Omar Cooper conception. I'd put him ahead of Malachi fields. I'd probably put him ahead of Elijah Sarat. Just very, very different players. I think the best part about Golden, which I can't believe I'm saying nice things, but this is where we are is like you know the team. You know the structure of the team. Yes, they always rotate wide receivers, but at least there is a path on this team with a quarterback that has always had an above average touchdown rate. And so can Matthew Golden have one of those years where he hits seven eight touchdowns? I think so. Absolutely. Yeah. So he can, but it's funny. So I've got my Felix score, you know, and I've also got a talent score that I haven't really brought up. That's, that's no draft capital. Oh, man, he's crushed here. Have you seen it? I just heard it right now. Yeah. So his talent score minus the draft capital with the draft capital is Felix score, which to be clear, the Felix scores far more accurate. You share that with his parents, right? The talent score? No, no, no, that's that's, that's keep that away from mom and dad. So he's, he's 84th percentile with that first round draft capital and everything else factored in. That's a pretty good score. But if you, if you take that out, his talent score minus that was 10, 10th percentile. So yeah, I mean, and again, the talent score metric that I have, it is not, is not nearly as reliable. The, the best indicator of success is, is the, the draft capital, but it does show, um, it does show that there were concerns in his profile, for sure. Yeah. No, that's okay. I feel like we're kind of landing at the spot of like here's where he should have gone. And I feel comfortable with that first round pick, man. Anyway, he'll be one of those guys we first time in years. It's so funny because the packers just refuse to take a first round. We're begging them year after year after year is like, now this is the year you take a first round. Why do you see her? Oh, all right. This next question is more of a philosophical question. And it's which of the following is most important for your main dynasty league. And I really thought about this question framing it in a way where when you think about dynasty and what makes your leagues, what makes it fun here are the categories. Is it the format, meaning it's like Superflex, Titan premium, like that type of format? Is it having competitive league mates? Is it the roster settings, your size or reply with other, the overwhelming favorite, almost 80% was, if I'm in a competitive league, that's like the most important thing. Yeah. I mean, your, your, your league mates make the league. It's not your format. You know, I, I'm not a giant fan of Superflex. I know the Superflex pros out there just, they just threw their mug on the ground right now. They unsubscribed I would much, much rather play. And like, I don't like time and premium. That's just stupid. I would much rather play in a Superflex Titan premium league with a group of fun, active league mates. Then my ideal scoring setting with like a boring league of, you know, it's just not fun. I mean, the people are really what makes it fun. Agreed. The best part of this game is, you know, you make a trade with somebody like last year. I mean, the falcon made a trade. And I don't want to say I won that trade, but I didn't lose it. And somebody else did. And the best part of it is being able to make fun of your league mates and banter and make trades and have stuff going on all of season. So that's the best part of it. What was the trade? It was, it was like a, Jill and Hertz to Montess Smith stack that I sent plus George Kittle, I believe. So I was like, you know what? I don't think I can tend. I'm gonna, I'm gonna trade away. And I got back where she writes, which please brother stay inside and play video games. Tyler Warren and Drake May, I believe, was kind of the three pieces on each side. There might have been a draft pick in there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I mean, if rice doesn't get his head on straight, that could look silly and, you know, a year, but we'll see. You're like the people in your league and the camaraderie, all that stuff, like that's what makes it fun. And I know a lot of times people ask, like, man, how do you guys trade all the time in ballers leagues? Like, yes, this is part of our job. But it's like, that's part of the culture that makes leagues fun is that you're always expecting trades. There's always those kind of conversations. I wasn't even talking to my kids the other day. It's like, you don't want to be in a league. They're in baseball right now. Where's just like, everybody stinks and you're the only one that's good. It's like, that's not fun. Like, as a dad, yes, you can beat up on your kids and they're never going to win in sports. And that's fun. Yo, that has a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah, like, my kids are never going to actually get a shot off in basketball. No, just blocking a little kid is so much on, especially if you're doing a full volley ball. Oh, and you're, and you're letting them, and you're coming out here late. You know, it's like your, your hands are on your knees. You're just barely moving around. They load up to take that shot. And then you explode and you just punt that thing to the moon. Oh, that's a great feeling. We had it. You get to feel like Wembee, you don't realize. Oh, man, that's going to be awesome. No, we had a parents and children game like the end of the basketball season. And the first shot, my son put up, I wanted to send a message. Just send it into the stand. It felt awesome. I let him shoot the time. But yeah, you want to be in a league with people that are in the end of the day. Like, maybe you don't understand this other crazy format. This other person brings up all the time. It's like, but the people I'm with, whether it's one quarterback or superflex, like, it's, it's about that. So we have a lot of people that find good leagues, footclanlegs.com. If you're looking for that. Genuine question. Does the league idiot make the league better? I think it does. I think it does define this idiot to me. We all know who we're talking about. Well, no, I mean, it's me. It's me. It's actually me. It's like, like, the like, okay, so one of the the managers we've had in a league, many years and a lot of the different leagues. I know exactly. You're talking about. Yeah, you know who I'm talking about. Just so overactive and makes the most crazy stupid maneuvers. And sometimes it works. I'm still benefiting from some of those trades. But like, genuinely having that person in the league, like the one person, maybe you could take advantage of it. It is, it is pretty fun. And then the rest of their action kind of like all, you know, agree on it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want a bunch. I think I think it makes it better. Yeah. Do you need tryouts? It's like, okay, we were looking for just one guy. It doesn't fully know. Show me how fast you can accept a transaction. Go. Oh, yeah. No, that's good. A couple more questions real quick. We'll do some quick hitters. Which of these rookies, Jason, you brought it up earlier? Would you rather have at the 112, regardless of your team's context in one quarterback league, Mendoza was what the people wanted. Almost percent of the people said, Hey, at the 112, Mendoza's there. It's who I want. Mike Washington, Eli Stowers or Elijah Sirot. So I tried to give a different position there. And if it's just, doesn't matter what my team means, you would still take Mendoza there? Yeah. I think, you know, not knowing where they're landing. Obviously, if if Mike Washington was a second rounder, okay, maybe I would flip the script there, but assuming what we assume as of today, I would rather take the guy who's drafted with the first overall pick and has the keys to a franchise for at least three years in the hopes that he could, you know, develop into what they're hoping he is. Agreed. Eli Stowers, I think, is going to be an interesting name come draft day because I think he's going to land somewhere round two, round three in the NFL. And you're going to have to figure out is this a slot hybrid tied in who's not really a tight and he's a wide receiver. And he's in an offense where he can see 80 targets in year one or see just kind of a bit part player. And they use him on some cool manufacturer touches and but he's not like a full tight end yet. So tight ends are always interesting because I usually bet against them. No, genuinely, it's it's it's a great bet to bet against it because if you look at how many tight ends have been truly weakly relevant like Tramack bride, George Kittle, Brock Bowers, you know, you're talking about oh, and this is over the last six, eight, 10 years. There's only two or three guys each season that are really relevant. So you just know that the majority every year they they are not heavy bets to win. However, when you hit and you do end up with a Tramack bride or Brock Bowers is that dude that you took in the with the fifth pick overall and it's like it's it out, you know, it's a it's an outweated hit. It is so much more valuable like one of the questions that I don't know if we even will get to is how much would it take for you to trade away Brock Bowers is like I'm nothing like I'm not trading away Brock Bowers. You no one would offer me something genuinely enough for me to get rid of him. But at the same time, when you bet against tight ends, you're gonna you're going to succeed 80% of the time. And in and when you're doing fantasy football bets, you're usually looking to hit about 60%. If you hit 60% of your opinions correct, that's going to be a winning strategy. So if you can make an 80% bet, I mean, you should pretty much be doing that. It's a lock. Jason said. Yeah, he's not wrong, especially when you can pick up Harold Fanon in the third. Am I right? That's right. Yeah. Anybody? All right. Next one is about super flex. Which of these quarterbacks are you most comfortable with as your QB2 in a super flex? So Kyler Murray, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Malik Willis, all kind of interesting quarterbacks at this point in their career and also thinking about them in dynasty. Like what's interesting about all these guys, we know Kyler as a one year deal. We know that Stroud and younger on their fifth year options. But it's like, okay, beyond this year, are they going to make a mistake extending these guys when it's not great? And then Willis, same thing. It's like, I don't know what he is beyond. I think Kyler's the easy answer and 50% of the people said that. But still like, we're guessing with all four of these quarterbacks. So that's who would you be most comfortable with? Yeah, it's Kyler. For sure, it's Kyler. Just what he's done historically from a fantasy points per drop-back situation. I know that it's been frustrating the last couple of years and yet the injury and all that sort of stuff. But I'm willing to at least put some confidence in Kevin O'Connell. I know it didn't work out with nine last year, but Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, Addison, with Stroud. It's like, your pocket pastor, you've got to have efficiency. He hasn't done that since his rookie year. And I think the team like inwardly kind of knows like the way that we win is our elite defense, run the ball, manage the manage the ball offensively and not have to be the highest growing team in the league. Bryce Young, half the time he's not startable. He's like a the quarterback 19, right? And then like, Muleek Willis. There was like a moment in the offseason where I was like the Muleek Willis guy because I knew he would get a starting job and the market wasn't agreeing with that. But now the situation is so horrendous with the current state of the water seabird room. Like sure, it can work out for fantasy this year because you might run enough, but it is very Justin Fields' ask where it's like, hey, we have no issues getting out from this contract in a year if we want to. And I feel like they're probably going to want to. So for me, it's Kyler and I'll roll the dice on this future. I feel like Stroud and Young are those guys in a superflex that I'm willing to flip and just say, I like, if you were one of those people, it's like, I need a third quarterback. I will target you in a league because like, I'm fine rolling with just two and somebody else will overvalue them and give me a first round pick. You can get more for a CJ Stroud type of player than his value is. Look on. Yeah. We're on the same page then in a superflex. All right. Last one here. Which of these veteran wide receivers do you think has the most left in the tank for fantasy? Stefan Diggs, Debo Samuel, Tyree Kill. So they're on your Austrian dynasty and you're thinking, okay, I need one last hurrah. Jason, who's who's still who you're riding with? Yeah. I mean, I agreed with the people here. It would be Diggs. Diggs had a decent season this last year. He will sign somewhere despite his legal troubles and he'll go catch some passes. I mean, the truth is, I don't know if we see anything else from Debo or Tyree, like at all. I don't, we're not expecting big things from Diggs either, but I think the careers are basically like Tyree Kill. Will we see him again? I don't know. When we see him again, will it matter? I don't know. I mean, if you want to take your, it's ironic because I feel like you say who's the most relevant? Probably Diggs. But he is also not very relevant. In which case, you could maybe you should make the argument like, if Tyree comes back, maybe he could do something more special than whatever I'm going to to get for Diggs, because what would you expect Diggs to be next year? Let's say he's signs, he's the, he's the wide receiver 28. He goes to Miami, a great place, you know, to soak up targets and targets the bill. Oh my gosh, Diggs on Miami Beach, what could go wrong? Oh man, that sounds like a party. That's just, you just, I mean, that is a guarantee. Of course, he's gonna go to Miami. Oh my gosh, Diggs in Miami. He couldn't control himself in New England. I mean, come on. There's, oh man. He was in Minnesota, Buffalo, New England. He's like, I got it. It's time to go to Miami. I gotta go to a beach. Oh man, that's the end of Diggs for sure. Yeah, I mean, I have Diggs in the league. If someone offered me a third, I'd probably just hold Diggs and hope he gets a contract. I mean, he'll sign somewhere. What do you think? Yeah, he'll, he'll, he'll sign something. Yeah, he'll keen an out on this thing and be like, all right, I'll show up in late July when you need me. If you need some targets and somebody gets hurt. So, uh, yeah, it's, it's funny. I'm like thinking, man, 2019 fantasy football, Debo Samuel, Stefan Diggs, Tyree Kill. If you had these three players on your dynasty roster, you are feeling awesome. And then this just, when it's gone, it's, uh, it's absolutely gone. That's going to do it for this episode. Next week, we will be back doing another rookie mock draft. I'm sure we will get it right this time and all things will be good. Make sure you head to ultimatedraftkit.com, which I'll talk to you next week.