Rookie Draft Rankings + Weighing Draft Capital - Dynasty Fantasy Football

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast with Borg, Betts, and a Baller. The draft. I get together with my Falcons folk on my street. Kids get on the bus. We're talking. We have nothing to talk about. Let it go, man. We're not making a bet. Let it go, Kyle. The team? Free yourself. Yes. I am a free man. I'm living life. You know what I love, Kyle? Football. I love the NFL. I'm okay with that take. I win. I win no matter what. Hey, the Cardinals lost. Yeah, did I watch good football? Did I guess just football sometimes? Did I enjoy myself? I win. I subscribe to this thought process because if you're cornering me, if I'm getting bullied here, I like football more than the Falcons. And I feel okay saying that. I've felt that way for a while. Yes. Good. But when I think about other sports, yeah, with baseball, I think I like the Braves more than baseball. But. Yeah, but. I don't know many people that are just like baseball fans without a team. Like football, I get. I don't get the baseball aspect as much. I will say, though, Kyle, with your Falcons fandom, there is something that just makes my Sunday every week. If they're in the early window, you know, it's for our time. It's like 3.30. I usually get a text from Kyle and he's like, I know what's about to happen. You know, they'll have like a 10-point lead with like 10 minutes left in the game. He's like, we are going to lose this game. And sure enough. Fast forward to 30 minutes later, Falcons lost. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't. You've embraced the pain. It doesn't matter, man. Let it go. No, seriously, if the Cardinals make a playoff run, oh, that'd be so fun. I'll have a great time. If they are super stinky terrible and they end up with the first pick in the 2027 NFL draft, I'm going to have a great time. I'm no longer. They do not have. This is not their proper. I'm pointing at my chest for the people on the audio side. They do not own the rights to my heart anymore. You can't have his heart. You cannot have it. No, you're going to break it. I took it back. Now, I will ask you this, Mike. There's a lot of steam right now on Jeremiah Love to go third to the Cardinals. Yeah, but do you want chaos? Are you buying that? If. Number one, I'll say I'm not actually buying it. Yeah, me either. I don't. The. There was one report that was cause for concern. There was a local guy who said, yeah, they're like, yes, they are interested in love. And the person who really likes Jeremiah Love, their opinion has more weight. And it was the, oh, boy. Oh, no. So, I mean, that's only two people. Right? Yeah. For every. That's Bidwell or that's Monty. And that's, oh, my gosh. So, it's not. I'm not buying it. I don't. The way I'm going to project and, you know, make my picks on. So, the footballers will make our picks on Thursday's show. Or it might even be out because we're releasing. Hey, spoiler alert for everyone here. We're going to release that show a little bit early. So, it's not impossible they do it. I'm not going to project it. But if they do, then they must, must go all in. It's got to be Jeremiah Love. It's got to be. Do you have to trade back into the first to get Ty Simpson? Or can you wait till your second pick and get him? I know the Jets are first in the. Second round, which someone smarter than me needs to explain this. How are the Raiders first overall? And then later on, do the Jets have the first pick? What is happening here? Why are we doing this? But anyways, if you get Love, you've got to get Simpson. You need to just be so stupid. Set the franchise back another four years with idiotic picks. Is that just like. The car is swerving off. Off the road. And like. Oh, yeah. Like, O'Doyle rules part where they, like, in New Madison, they just take out something else and just. Yes. Okay. I'm down with that strategy of just, like, totally being a berserker, just taking everybody else out, taking the whole franchise out. But I realize it's because. Maybe it's because of what we do with our jobs here. But, like, when I think about football as a whole, it's like, I like players from this team. I'm willing to watch players from this team outside of just the Falcons. And then when I think about. I think of my Dynasty team. And sometimes I just stare at a couple of them. I go, that's a pretty good-looking team. There's not a lot of Falcons on those teams. Maybe that's part of it. Maybe that's how it goes. Sounds like you don't have Bijon, man. I don't. I wish I did. On this episode, we are going to talk through some rookie draft rankings right before the NFL draft. So you might be listening to the show and saying, what all could you tell me? We want to give you a range of outcomes for players because it's one thing to look at the talent. It's a portion of a prospect. So what we've done on these shows for the last couple of months is, here's the analytics. Here's the numbers. Here's what we saw on film. And the piece of the puzzle that we're adding to it is the draft capital and the situation of the team. The team opportunity, how many targets. I'm going to ask the question when we get into our main segment is, how much should we weigh the draft capital, knowing that we have a little range? And then, can draft capital lie to us? Where all of a sudden, like my emotions. And Mike, I know you've shared the Clyde Edwards, Hilaire situation where it's like, I had these convictions. This is a first round pick. And we've all been there. We've been in rookie drafts. And we've been thinking things for the last three or four months. And all of a sudden, you're about to take your pick. You're like, oh no. Like last year, my example was, we poo-pooed on Mason Taylor for so long. And he's the second. And we were right. But I'm going to my rookie draft. Totally redeemed ourselves. That's my point. It's like, we poo-pooed on him. And yes, pile of crap. No. No, he did not break a tackle. No, but he was the second round pick. And we're all like, gosh, I can't completely ignore this. So I remember in a draft, just going back and forth between Mason Taylor and Harold Fannin, who we all loved. We said, this guy has the dog. We love the yards per outrun. He goes in third round. You're like, well, can I really take a third round tight end over a second round? Spoiler alert, I did. And it made me feel better. Because honestly, could I look at myself in the mirror for taking Mason Taylor? No. No. And he will never be on one of my teams. Ever. Wow. I didn't know you were so upset about. Well, now I'm committed to him being nothing ever. I mean, I've. I felt like I was the captain of this choo-choo train, Kyle. But I think you just train robbed me. And you kicked me out. And you're like, no, I am the hater. I will drive this train off the tracks. Yeah, so we'll talk about draft capital. And we'll give a couple situations here. If this player is selected in this spot, does that change them in rookie drafts? Because I was looking at some of the receivers after the big three. So when we talk about Omar Cooper, Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion. I have an order right now of those three. And yet I could see myself potentially shifting if one of them goes to a better landing spot and gets. Could one of those guys fall out of the first round bets? Were the three you mentioned? Omar Cooper, Denzel Boston, and. Casey. Okay. I think it's possible one of those. I would be surprised if two of them did. But I think it's possible one could. Yeah. I don't want them to. And all of our projections and the mock drafts and stuff. But it wouldn't shock us if only five wide receivers made it to the first round. So we'll talk about that. We do have a giveaway right now for Ultimate Draft Week. And I need to make sure this is very clear to people. Because. We're giving away some big time stuff. In fact, like. Big time. I'm looking at a Listener League spot. That's about as big as it gets, Kyle. That's basically the best thing you can do. You're in the inner circle. You guys can't even get in. You can't get in the Listener League. No. Nope. This is the inner circle of footballer's world. I. Brian Ketron, a.k.a. The Big Sluser, does co-manage my team. Oh, well. Do you really think of him as a co-manager or more just like he's there? Kind of like me. Like Jason Taylor on the Jets. Yeah. I mean, you guys are familiar with like. Sweet four-yard catch, dude. He's similar to what an anchor does to a boat. Okay. There's a purpose. There's a clear purpose there. Yes. Oh, for sure. We almost got Betsy with a spin take on that one. I was just choked. Oh, man. So. These are things we're giving away. A Listener League spot. spot Someone else was beginning a signed Jamar Chase jersey, a signed Bijan Robinson jersey. And the way that you enter in this is you order the 2026 UDK at ultimatedraftkit.com by the end of the draft weekend. So if you are an ultimate subscriber or if you have bought the UDK earlier, then you are already entered in to win. And we're going to be giving those away. This isn't just like a contest to grab people like real people do. We've had real people that enter the Listener League. Brooks was one of those people that was a Listener League member, now works for us. Brian was a Listener League member as well. Yeah. So anything you want to add, Mike, about this giveaway? No, just, I mean, it's a big one. It's absolutely a big boy. And it's like you save money, you get it at the lowest possible price, and then you just, I mean, if you're going to grab it, now's the time to do it. Yeah. All of our rankings. Save some cash and maybe win some stuff. Everything. I mean, everything. Everything we do, we're adding some new stuff to the Ultimate Draft Kit this year. We have some good stuff coming this summer. Did you mention, I apologize because we had Betsy's spit take, and I'm over here, but they're hassling me about getting my lunch order prepared over here. Did we mention, so like if you've already pre-purchased the UDK, you're in the drawing. Don't worry. And if you are a Foot Clan Ultimate Tier member, you are also, you're already in. Don't even, don't fret. You're in. You're totally in. UltimateDraftKit.com. If you want to jump in on that, but we're going to talk rookie rankings. Hey, rookie. Welcome to the NFL. Here at the Fantasy Footballers, we try to take a holistic approach. I feel like that word, since I've been around with footballers, you guys have used that mic, just to say, you know, if people ask like, are you guys film only guys? You just watch the tape, grind the tape, and that's it. We try to make sure that we balance a lot. I think. On this show, we bring up stats like yards per outrun. Sometimes, Betts brings up that I only live in the spreadsheets, but we try to make sure that we balance out all of those things, and hopefully the analytics match the film. We do it all, man. The film, the analytics, the social media sentiment, the vibes. Vibes-based. The gut check. I mean, look, everything. Everything is a part of the decision making. Yeah. Next time somebody asks me that question, like, you more of a film guy, analytics? Neither. Just vibes. I'm all vibes, man. Vibes. The best part is when the vibes match the film. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's when someone turns into a my guy. Yeah. Or the vibes of Mason Taylor were, ugh. You're still crushing Mason Taylor, Kyle. Leave him alone. It's his show. It's his show, you know. But we talk about players from a couple different standpoints. We talk about their talent, and then we add in this piece of information right now. Draft capital. Leading up to the draft, we have what we call projected draft capital, where we take mock drafts, and we say, like, here's generally speaking what the crowd is saying, the wisdom of the crowd. But we are about to get a small wrench in this when the draft capital that I've thrown out for players sometimes just doesn't match, and I'm left kind of in this middle spot of my rookie drafts. Like, I don't really know which one's more important. Do I hold on to the talent part, or hold on what the NFL is saying? I think for running backs, that's always been an issue, where we're pretty good at identifying the top guys. Last year, I'm looking at the list of, like, okay, well, Jenty was our one. Hampton was our two coming into the NFL draft. We had Henderson at three. But then beyond that, it was kind of a question mark between Skadaboo, Caleb Johnson, Quinshawn Judkins. Devin Neal was our RB7 before the draft. And then the name that I want to throw out there was RJ Harvey. Before the NFL. Before the NFL draft, he was our RB11. Because nobody was saying this guy was going to be drafted 60th overall. I don't think any mock drafts. I'm sure NFL teams were like, whoa, the Broncos took him 60th overall. But then we had to adjust. Sean Payton got us again. Where did he end up last year in the rankings? Like, fifth, maybe? Fifth among rookies? I mean, you have to react to a second-round draft capital. But, you know, look. The wisdom of the crowd, it does play a part in things. And the fact that the Denver Broncos and Coach Payton, I mean, they're already talking about, well, we still have to find another running back. So you spent a second-round pick on a guy that you didn't need to draft there. It smelled a lot like the, I'm the smartest person in the room. You guys are so dumb. I'm just going to take this. It's not, I mean, they could have got him later, for sure. But they went in on him. So it changes your opinion. Like, oh, well, Sean Payton, I guess, really likes this guy. They're already trying to find someone else for the running back room. Like, I think that tells you all you need to know about a second rounder on a player they're already needing to supplement. And before, even like this week, obviously, with the draft here, in free agency, there were so many rumors on, are they the Cam Walker team? If Brees isn't franchised, maybe he's the guy. And they were talking about Travis Achan, where it's like, they're not just in on like a couple of guys to fill the depth. They're like in on the guys, you know? So, yeah, R.J. Harvey is terrifying right now in Dynasty, in my opinion. Yeah, one of the things. Dude, first round of last year is just, you got some guys in there. Because you have Travis Hunter, you have R.J. Harvey of just like, if you have them, if you have those guys and you haven't actively sent out an offer to get rid of them, to try and recoup something, you're not paying attention to your Dynasty team. Right. Caleb Johnson was a first round rookie pick. Caleb Johnson, yes. Which, I mean, there's no way anybody wants him. I just, I can't fathom anybody even wanting to trade a third right now, but you're just probably not going to trade him. No, I mean, we had a, what, like a two hour window where Kenneth Gainwell went to another team and it was like, Oh, man. Oh, man. Okay. And then they're like, no, Rico Dowdle, please, please. We need an RB2 or RB1. We'll see. One of the things we do is we take a final snapshot right before the draft just to say, like, here's the consensus of where this player has been mocked. It's not perfect, but I think sometimes we forget, like, okay, well, final draft capital. I can't argue with that anymore. They were drafted in the third round of the NFL draft. That's a final number. It doesn't mean we completely throw away what. Their projected draft capital was because we can kind of, like, look at the discrepancies of those. And I remember Mike and I were talking about this last year about Isaac Tesla because he was drafted 70th overall. Because what? And they traded, what, two third round picks for him? Yeah, two futures. It was a, looking at, like, all the trade ups that have happened over the last 15 years, it's one of the wildest ones. And I was looking back at Dane Brugler's notes. He said the Lions trading up to get Tesla. He's a player who's more of an idea than a fully formed player. I love that quote from him. But my point of bringing this up is that sometimes draft capital can lie to us. And Tesla's still, you know, we're still waiting to see what he can become. But just because. Don't any day now. Just because. Oh. Whoa. Oh, now my camera's going to be on the wrong. Oh, you guys get to see my nice beach scene. I love it. Is that what happens when you press the button? It turns to the beach? Yeah. Now, Josh, I broke it. Josh, the producer, is scrambling. He's like, oh, no. Mike, what did you do? There you go. There we go. My secret was revealed. I'm relaxing at the beach, guys. This podcast is off the rails right now. But yeah, we hooked it up so that way when you hit the button, it goes to the main cam so you can actually see what's going on with the graphic. Oh, nice. I forgot I did that. Nice. You know what? Hit it again. Yeah, we might. No, Josh just left. No, I didn't hit it, Josh. You're good. So, as we go through these positions, I want us to just ask the question, if this player is drafted earlier, later than where we're projecting, how does that change them in rookie drafts? But that list of wide receivers that were drafted way earlier than what we projected, there's a bunch of misses on here. Deontay Johnson is on here who had a couple of great seasons and then decided he wasn't a good teammate. But it's pretty rough when you look at Tyquan Thornton in the second round, 2-2 Atwell, where you're like, oh, well. It's Sean McVay. This is a second round pick. This must be good. Oftentimes, when someone is drafted way before, it's usually a signal of like, man, this team has a really different board. I don't know if they had to do that, but they did. So, we'll talk about some of those players. And at the end of the day, I want us to kind of figure out, is this player's talent just so important to you that I just don't care if they're drafted as the fourth wide receiver or the fifth wide receiver? Jordan Tyson was one of those guys that we've just kind of been banging the drum of like, I'm just going to go with talent. And now, it feels better because he's kind of being steamed up. But like, for a long time, I'm like, am I going to be wrong about his draft capital? He's going to end up being like, pick 26 in the draft. And you're like, oh, gosh. Omar Cooper went 10 picks ahead of him or something. So, we'll talk about all those things. Let's take a quick break, and then we'll get into quarterbacks. All right. we know where Mendoza is going to go first overall and yet the way that things shake out at wide receivers in super flex are we still like i'm taking the top three in love ahead of him i am currently i am yes okay what about in a one quarterback draft i think we've done our mocks he's kind of settled i would take the other guys over him in a in a single quarterback too kyle agreed it's a great place to start he's he's kind of settled into like for most of the mocks we've done so far obviously before draft capital and landing spot he's kind of settled into like you know the 112 201 ish range that feels right based off the fact that he's not projected to be a prolific fantasy scorer um so i don't see that changing really you know unless we get like weird stuff with guys falling to ranges we didn't think i think that'll be pretty sticky yeah that's kind of the default honestly for in single quarterback leagues quarterbacks where you aren't super excited about them fantasy wise maybe maybe mendoza comes out and he like kubiak has a great system and they figure out the the wide receiver situation and mendoza's like a 30 touchdown guy a year that could happen like we're we're not at all dismissing the idea that fernando mendoza could be a franchise quarterback or saying he's not talented we're just talking from a fantasy football perspective he doesn't really run and the situation around him needs to improve yeah like we all love jack besh but uh rip we're i think i think they might be moving on the i have he cooper won't fall but how i love when a team drafts like the quarterback and the wide receiver like i think that's just a really really good you want vibes i mean a guy having a great friend already on the team already has chemistry built with that player like i feel like that works when you're able to do it so it may maybe cooper falls into the second and we get to start the the raiders new regime that way but in the meantime you know rookie drafts end of the first beginning the second it's basically like when there's the tier of players where you're just kind of feeling gross about all of the players that are in the middle of them or just not really strong just take the quarterback and see what happens it feels uninspiring in a one quarterback league to be like i have the 111 he's still on the board i could hit with a running back here i could hit with a second round wide receiver so i don't blame anybody if you already have quarterback set you're like i don't really need to do this but you know i think in that 110 to 201 range is probably where he's going to end up with ty simpson you're like i don't really need to do this but you know i think in that 110 to 201 range is probably where he's going to end up with ty simpson if he is a first round pick somehow either somebody trades up does that change anything in a super flex where he is i'm taking him at the back of the first round bets i don't think it changes much if anything for me based off of the projected trade that it's going to take like nobody's talking about simpson as being like you better trade into the teens if you want this guy like everybody's like you can probably trade into the 25 range you know 26 range something like that or just hang out in the second round yeah or just maybe he just falls into the cardinal's lap in the second round or something or the jets or whoever wants him but you know that disparity in draft capital whether it's like pick 26 versus 34 to me the team is moving up to secure the fifth round option advantage and for the game we're playing like that doesn't change much of anything for me if it's only a handful of picks if this was a guy that people were clamoring to get up into the teens for then you know maybe but that seems very very unlikely at this point so i'm really kind of holding steady with my simpson evaluation for fantasy again just for fantasy where he's likely to be a pocket passer at the next level those guys need efficiency and outlier touchdown performances to really matter a ton for the game we play so even in super flex if they trade up into the first it's not going to change a ton for how i value him i will leave some amount of of chance or probability that ty simpson ends up being like a early aaron rogers giving us you know with the 300 yards the guy can move like he's he's not a full statue he has athleticism he's just so inexperienced and we didn't see massive rushing production from we saw very very little from him especially like even compared to daniel jones not even he's not even on the in anywhere close to what jones was putting up in college and when daniel jones was coming out most of us were like i just don't see that being a part of his nfl game which it was to his credit and the people who believed more daniel jones has done the aside simpson's lack of experience is my number one problem because those guys just don't work out um and then the number two is on like who's going to draft ty simpson this year arizona cleveland the jets may like maybe miami is in play as they like set a backup option just in case willis doesn't work out but i mean maybe the steelers but like i lay that out because the majority of the every team i just listed is a horrible franchise who just no matter they they ruin careers and it's like it's ridiculous to have to be that zoomed out and hyperbolic about it but they do the jets ruin people's careers sam darnold just won a freaking super bowl and his career is just not going to be the same as the jets' career and i'm not going to as a jet was an absolute disaster geno smith was a disaster as a jet he goes to seattle he turns his career on heads a couple really good years cardinals couldn't make it work with carla murray cleveland i mean come on so what chance does ty simpson really have other than he falls even further than people we could shidur this and because also do remember ladies and gentlemen he was a very heavy favorite to go like in the in the betting world he was going what number three or number two overall last year before he dropped into the fifth round if he can drop to a team like say the the somehow he just free falls and the rams get him okay but i mean you now i guess you had the stafford extension talks are going on he has to hit a place where he can be a backup and learn yes and then get his opportunity because if he goes and he has to start for arizona cleveland or the jets is like his career is over before it even starts the other problem with sorry to cut you off kyle the other problem with that too much like you're talking about outside of the rams which i think actually would be an awesome fit for him just hey give him a year maybe two years maybe he's the successor to stafford and they can get him in like if he if a free fall happens they get him in the third it's like yeah we'll take a gamble but if he does go at the top of the second or somebody trades into the first those teams that you talked about they're all like in incentivized to lose this year because everybody keeps talking about the next year's quarterback class and so i just feel like for ty simpson it's like you're not going to be the week one starter we're going to thrust you in there in week 10 when the weather starts to turn and our team is you know three and seven and we're just going to see what you can do and he's going to have like such a short window to like prove that he can be the guy maybe he can be but i just think it's so stacked against him because of yes those teams motivations to secure a top five pick next year yes no i totally agree and mike mentioned that he's going to be the first to start the season those four teams arizona cleveland miami and jets that's who he met with and we know that every first round quarterback over the last decade had a publicly known visit with the team that drafted them that only works if he is drafted in the first round so he could be drafted in the second or third and you know like we saw with will levis where everyone's like oh this guy's you know a top five pick and drops all the way to the second round or malik willis or any of these guys that we thought would be first round picks so i think to close this out for dynasty i'm not looking to reach in a super flex draft just because he is drafted at the end of the first round or he is in the second round i i don't find it that strong because a year from now you're gonna have a pick between three or four quarterbacks that you're gonna be like oh i want them in a super flex draft so i don't really think we need to be bullish on ty simpson let's go to running backs because i want to start start off with jeremiah love and then just point and laugh as a cincinnati bingles for wasting a visit on jeremiah love just i'm just because they i would have i would have declared it a waste of a top 30 visit at top 10 i mean i guess before the trade it was done after the trade it looks even dumber yes i agree after the trade it's just a well that was a waste but we've all done that where maybe they had no idea they could get dexter lawrence for the 10 yeah and and then that that showed up and then then everything changed we did that but that trade by the way is going to potentially change so much of how we view this wide receiver class like we're gonna get to wide receivers here in a second but like it's impossible to not now log on twitter or listen to the podcast or something with nfl draft and be like jordan tyson to the giants jordan they love him so much oh yeah and like just a week ago everybody was like maybe he's like in the 20s you know and now it seems like he is a lock for a top 10 pick which maybe in two days or whatever this looks silly, but that trade of dexter lawrence like kind of quietly shifts dynasty landscapes a little bit here do any of these landing spots for love cardinals titans giants washington if you want to throw them in there does any of that change him in terms of rankings among like bijan gibbs and him being the third or fourth running back because i don't know where you you would have him mike i know you'll do that after the nfl draft i think we'd all have bijan and gibbs ahead but i it sounds recently i know you've talked about this in a couple different places like love is higher than where you'd have genti yes as a process the like the starting baseline is a prospect i like jeremy i love more than i liked genti i mean it's the no actually i don't know that it really matters um because of the i like the giants i think they're a very fun team because i think dart is a true franchise quarterback but i mean they're still they're still they're pick number five like there's a they still need to rebuild and rise from the ashes just like the cardinals and the titans washington is the most exciting for fantasy football because it feels like they could get it going easier even though they sucked last year but i mean they had injuries and in all these things so no i i they will love will not be above bijan or gibbs but he is the type of talent like bijan where when atlanta drafted bijan you know it made sense uh from like the the coaching staff and you know how how they run things like oh man bijan's gonna get the ball so so much but they were not a good team they were that was a higher pick and they needed to improve as a team and bijan was just so good that he's just chilling on this like 500 type of a team and dominating i think jeremiah love can do that on he can be uh you know we bring up the stats a lot of true top 12 or top 15 running backs they're they're almost always on great teams there's always there's a handful of outliers though and love will probably be one of those guys yeah let's let's bring up his teammate jadarian price because quietly quietly and i've made sure to research this bets just looked it up again we have no reported top 30 visits from jadarian price maybe there's a private workout maybe his agent is doing really great things super private but for a guy that's kind of seen as the clear rb2 from like a mock draft perspective that's kind of odd and i went back and found every single running back that was drafted in the first round had a known workout or a known top 30 visit so i think the the ship has sailed for me that he's gonna be a first round pick but bet's like is this odd at all to you for a player that for dynasty purpose is we're kind of like well i guess he's gonna be the rb2 wherever he lands and yet there's still all of these question marks and this is like the ultimate like the fantasy nerds versus like the nfl draft analyst yes situation because on the nfl draft situation everybody's like this guy the talent is there if it wasn't for jeremiah love he could have done it that's kind of the general consensus take on him as a player the problem is like yeah but he didn't do it that's exactly the problem he didn't do it and so when we like to you know forecast based off of production profiles and those sort of things it's just not there so it's a huge projection to say that this player will be able to do this at the next level i think we all agree we're leaving some chance that he could and maybe he is that good that the nfl thinks but at the same time he's a player that i'm fearful will get overdrafted in fantasy because i would be absolutely floored if he's not the second running back taken in the draft obviously behind love doesn't mean i'll go first round but i think there's a real possibility like we're looking back after this this weekend and price goes in the second round and he's not going to be able to do this at the next level and like maybe nobody even else goes on day two like i think that's a very realistic possibility and so by default you're like i guess he's rb2 in this class and you kind of have to follow draft capital and then it feels like there's a player every year at running back that kind of gets pushed up to like 109 to like 110 because of landing spot because of draft capital and like he feels like that guy this year i'm not saying i won't follow that because draft capital matters it's just he's a very uh i think i think the floor could fall out from your dynasty pick here with this guy and i think he's a very uh i think the floor could fall out from your dynasty pick here very quickly within a season i wouldn't be surprised by that so i'm i'm nervous on judean price but the nfl seems to like him so what do i know i think he could go if he's the only running back drafted in round two in dynasty rookie drafts he could go like he could end up the 106 107 because of how thirsty people are he could leap like uh casey i think some leagues he would yeah i mean it's just that's the age-old thing that we always bring up is that everybody needs running backs and so these players are pushed up boards because there's a short supply and when you get to 106 you're like okay is it sadiq is it concepcion is it omar cooper and then you're looking around because there's no quarterbacks you're going to take there in one quarterback league and you could easily convince yourself like he's the running back he goes to i mean if he goes all the way to pick 64 at seattle we love the landing spot we're also like wow that's all these other teams passed on him but still great if what if he goes to like minnesota in the second round it's a good landing spot because that yeah that would be it's a great landing spot honestly it will that's it it takes time because aaron jones is there and jordan mason still is there off it's probably wait a year for him to fully be unleashed yeah but like would that if he went there mike how high would he go in a rookie draft i have the same exact ranges that we're okay talking about right if you're saying he's the only round two player okay what about mike washington jr who we've talked about a lot from here's what we did at the combine it doesn't always a trap always match what it's a trap which is why he met with the falcons of all the running backs they could have met they met with him and he's the only one gotta get that algae replacement man come on that's true kind of need a big guy in there um well they got brian robinson what's his range the other b robinson what did you ask what's his range best the other b robinson what did you ask what's his range best the other b robinson right now like i could see him going here i could see him fall i could see him falling all the way to like the 208 yeah i could too i i think he'll probably settle depending on where he lands probably somewhere in like the late first early second especially if he's the seattle running back and i agree with mike this just feels so trappy like we as the fantasy players have chased the speed score freaks from the combine year for year whenever the one comes out but it's like okay if back you just look at where he's been in school and you know no disrespect to buffalo and all these places like this is not a highly touted talent of a player and we always get uh i think uh we get over our skis a little bit putting so much of our emphasis on the speed score and it's like just take a step back like was this guy a highly touted player not really was the production profile outstanding not really it's like we're just drafting this guy because of maybe landing spot and because of what he did running a straight line at the combine you have to be so careful on these guys so again he's another one that feels like a landmine that could sneak into the late first early second that i personally will be trying to be passed on um in my rookie drafts just like mike said just feels like a trap all right i think the final conversation is the jonah coleman emmett johnson please get drafted on day two for fantasy purposes we want that i can see either of them right now they're hovering around 100th overall and mock draft database i i just feel like we're worried and when i look back over the last couple years even if they get drafted in round three we're like oh sweet round three that's good enough or what we call it day two yes the day two day two guys um i looked back at dynasty rookie drafts really over the last decade and there are very few players drafted in round three in the nfl draft that break out the early days of our podcasts were like jordan howard david johnson alvin kamara kareem hunt and antonio gibson those guys were rb ones out the gate wait what was that last name oh yeah antonio gibson because kyle i think what you were meaning to say is that of the 48 round three or later running backs selected since 2015 and dynasty rookie drafts only five of 48 became an rb1 in their first year you need to remind that last name that last name was just real quick and what was it again antonio gibson okay thank you you need to remind jason and andy because they they will rewrite history and say like oh yeah you know he kind of flamed out it's like no you got two rb1 seasons you need to yeah put that on the doorframe my point of bringing that stat up and why mike and i were talking about this earlier is like it's so rare and because we have such a short supply this year of running back in year one i mean you have other guys like montgomery yeah montgomery is a hit but montgomery was also drafted as like one oh three that year so like oh that's right he was yeah that was the him and miles sanders year it's really tough because we have guys that royce freeman a perfect example it's like oh man this look really good the production profiles they're served by undrafted free agent whoops so we were right on rookie running back just the wrong one yeah i'm worried about these two so any any hot takes here mike about coleman or johnson uh jonah coleman rules He's super good at football, I'm very excited see where he gets drafted he you know if top 30 visits matter he has more than judarian price and like how do we count it how do do the distinctions between top 30 private workout and local visit do we just call those old top 30 i would yeah i would call the prospect visits that he had four okay because yeah we have the we have minnesota denver the saints and seattle so like i i don't think price is going in the first the i believe more on the seattle side of them trying to move down like the yeah i know what's gonna happen just saying i've it's the cardinals will trade up with seattle into pick 32 to draft ty simpson that's what's gonna happen that'll be the big closer for the draft everyone prepare sorry to ruin your thursday night you already know what's gonna happen but but yeah i spoiled the ending uh but the the point like i don't think i give very very little credit to price going in the first and just the way that the seattle's draft is going to unfold they they did a local visit with jonah coleman i mean it's the local visit rules are so weird like you happen to be in the same state it also can count college it also can count if you are from there like you went to high school so like casey concepcion had one for the panthers which was like a lot of fun but there are some places like the cowboys which have a much bigger radius of people right as opposed to like green bay it's like oh well who's gonna do a local visit with the packers that's all the high school kids in texas like that's where you go to to be able to go play d1 as you go play in texas so that that's ridiculous rules but anyways point is seattle like jonah coleman could end up on seattle and we could have a very fun situation of seattle and we could have a very fun situation of seattle and we could have a very fun situation of jadarian price goes and he's only second round running back and then seattle picks up jonah coleman later in the draft and now that's when you get to really test like what do you believe about these players talent and draft capital versus landing spot it i think we could we could be in for a couple fun by by fun i mean extremely stressful and you stare at your phone while you're on the clock doing every bit of last possible research you can into these guys before you make your pick but i think that that is a scenario that could play out and it would put jonah coleman right at running back two for me or i guess keep him there that would be very fun if that happened i'm very in on emmett johnson narrative street here if he goes to the viking because he's from the area he actually went to the same high school as larry fritzgerald so it's like minnesota guy they pick him there i would love that for him well then why'd they top 30 visit and not local visit see that's the thing i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that i don't understand no one knows they're like emmett we want you to know it's worth more we use the top 30 on you we didn't have to so who knows bets any final takes here on on emmett emmett i'm with you on these guys i i hope they get what we're looking for you know we joke about round three doesn't really mean that much but it means a lot to us and we can call it day two i hope these are our boys this year that sneak into day two and if not we'll cross our fingers this this tape will tape will immediately self-destruct i hope with my second round rookie picks that i can shoot for some of these guys but i still feel like i'm going to be like the 206 be like oh gosh i hate myself i don't i don't really want to draft any of these guys all right let's take a quick break and talk wide receivers we are back we're going to be talking rookie wide receivers and what could change over the course of the next couple days i did want to give us some context because this year we currently have 17 wide receivers that are ranked within the top 100 of mock draft database that is the second most over the last six years so like last year for instance we only had 12 and that was reflected in the rookie class right it's like okay well we had a couple first rounders but overall it was pretty running back time yeah it was it was pretty weak and we have an article on the website which i've referred to a lot over the years of what matters more for rookies is that we have a lot of rookies that are pretty weak and we have a lot of is it their skill or the landing spot and wide receivers is one of those positions where i think over time we've found out like i'm just gonna go off of what i found uh in terms of the talent portion of this and figuring out like who can earn targets so right now is your order guys still tyson tate lemon because that's where i'm at or is it is tyson still our one tyson is still my one yes okay yes bets is lemon your two he is mike tate is currently sitting at my number two but i wish i could have decimal scoring here yep because i'm i'm more on bets aside of i think that lemon is there and i know that there's there stats can say what you want them to say but there you know there is a stat essentially of like guys that are drafted this early in the nfl draft who play dominantly in the slot in college the list is a list of failures and not just small ones like catastrophic ones so that is i do allow i do weigh that um but mckay lemon then you could you can if you're a lemon truth you come back like yeah but on the outside he actually had a what a higher yards per route run on those routes compared to the slot so it's not that he can't do it just the the team preferred him to use him in the slot uh so i like lemon there there could be a situation where if carnell tate goes to cleveland and mckay lemon goes to not cleveland then i could see them flipping in my rankings does it mean anything to you guys that you know we have a ton of visits to work with including washington which did their whole top golf thing where they just invited all the boys together just to see who would order more drinks and who would be an idiot you know just to weed out everybody does it mean anything to you that mckay lemon has visits with teams at four five six seven eight nine and then the dolphins at 11 the jets at 16 he has a insane number of you know visits and workouts here and yet right now he's projected to go third so bets and i put out a bet i don't know what was this like a month ago or whatever i think about a month ago yeah mckay lemon to go top 10 i'm i feel like i feel like he's meeting with you still feel good about it i feel good of the value that we got it out one of those this is a great number it's not gonna win but the numbers i especially with the the bangles not at 10 anymore i think that that one probably hurts you guys there yeah i i just think could we have all three of these go in the top 10 i'd be shocked i'd be i would be shocked but they're i mean let's say i mean cleveland saints giants could all go wide receiver i don't think that's crazy right you know and also i mean saints giants do it also the washington commanders currently have trail on burks as their wide receiver too sure i didn't even i didn't even think about that's disrespectful and they have met washington has done so much homework on these teams and they've done so much homework on these teams and they've done so much homework on these guys tate lemon tyson omar you know what denzel boston chris brazel i think it's i think it's gonna happen i think i so i lemon to the commanders would be so far we all think top 15 the markets say that they're all going to be inside the top 15 i don't think it's crazy i mean we've had years we have this run around the top 10 where it's like remember we had london at 8 then wilson was 10 olave jameson like all there so i i like all these spots though it with giants saints chiefs would be fun washington would be fun it sounds like we're saying somebody's gonna get drafted to cleveland and we are gonna grit our teeth now if it's tyson maybe does that change anything oh yeah i go in the shower and i just cry there and i think i still take tyson at 102 that's how strong i feel in a rookie draft i'm ahead of bets in our dino junior league i have the 102 he has the 103 and he wants me to get scared he's just better than me he's just better than me he's begging me to get scared but i've been holding the line at jordan tyson because kyle the when when can it happen talent talent over opportunity i i know but their light can't escape a black hole dude you're not wrong like i could i and i i don't want to just make everything you know the full anti cleveland browns for fantasy but it's truly the situation is horrifically bad shadur is probably i think the quarterback this year even like even the the strongest of shadur sanders believers you cannot be intellectually honest with yourself watching the tape of last year and going should do her played really well of course there's some throws here and there because he has talent he like he has physical capabilities but the product on field last year to capable starting quarterback is pretty far off and they will be, I'm not trying to say, Hey, Shador could never, never turn into it, but I'm saying next year, Cleveland probably has a really high draft pick. And now you have the, you have the, the group of rookies of next year's quarterback class that are going to be very, very exciting. And then you're probably going to have a new coach next year. So that's all I mean of like, it's going to be a really unstable situation probably for a while. And then you're into like year three or year four. And you're like, Oh my gosh, this guy is just losing value. Just, just don't, just don't do it. But he will be a top, if he's drafted, whoever, he will be a top 10 drafted wide receiver, which holds value for at least what, two to three years. So I'm, I, That's, that's a very tough, but I've seen a lot of mock drafts now of the, since the, the rise, I'll call it the rise of, of David Bailey becoming the, probably the favorite to go to the New York Jets at two. That has been a pretty recent thing over the last week or two, instead of Reese going at number two, which has kind of, you know, there could be a cascade here of with, with Arizona. And so my point of, I've seen a lot of people saying, Hey, Cleveland might grab the tackle. Uh, his name is escaping me out of, out of, uh, Miami, Maui, Noah, Maui, Noah. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, yes. Cleveland do that. Do that. Take the, do the boring stuff right now, Cleveland rebuild. So we can be excited about when you start taking our fantasy players. Makes a lot of sense. And they've, they've done a lot of work too, with some of these secondary guys, like, you know, I don't want to say they're, I shouldn't call them secondary guys, but like the next tier down. Yeah. Boston, Concepcion, Chris Bell, Gurmey, Bernard. Um, so they are positioning themselves to like, sounds like a Muppet. Gurmey. Yeah. I love that Jason did that. Um, they're positioning themselves to, if they want to take offensive line first, then address wider receiver later, which I think we all agree. We'd prefer. Also, I've been telling people it's so easy. It's so easy to build. It's so easy. That's how you do it. The Cardinals have not been listening to Mike. Put it that way. They have. Well, they did that. Even they managed to screw it up though. Cause they have generational Will Anderson dropped to them at number three. And they're like, no, hold on, hold on. We're going to trade down and get all this capital. And it's like, oh, okay. I can live with that. And they're like, no, no, we're not done all that capital. We just got, we're trading it. So we can move back up for this. And they're like, no, no, we're not done. We're trading it. I think we, I love Concepcion. I think all three of us do. And I want him to be the 105 in rookie drafts, but I'm holding it with an open hand saying, depending on the landing spot, depending on like, I could see Cooper going to a really sweet spot and go talent. Kyle, we always say on this show, you, no matter what you chase the talent. So I will be, that one's not fluid. And for me, okay, good. Cause I have the 105 and I needed to hear that. If, if Concepcion has an outrageous fall, that is definitely not going to happen, but whatever in this weird, bizarro world, somehow he plummets in the draft and the other two guys are above. Okay. I will read, I'll try and reevaluate, but right now the way that the way that I like wide receivers Concepcion is just, he's at the top. And then between Cooper and Boston, that one could certainly pivot because Boston, I've, I said it already on this show of, I don't like his archetype of wide receiver, but I am drawn to him. He's like the, the one guy who's breaking through for me, which that freaks me out. Any, cause I'm not, I'm not usually wrong when I don't like those. Yeah. Yeah. When we're, when we're wrong, we just want to be wrong. And if somebody else can prove me right, any of these landing spots, I'm looking at some of the top 30 visits, which we have all this on the website. We have a big article out there about all the top 30 visits. Um, what if somebody lands in Buffalo who they did, they've done their homework. That one's scary. I mean, as, as you know, we're always attracted to Josh Allen and what he can do thrice. But I mean, we have a private workout for Denzel Boston. We have Casey Concepcion, Chris Bell that they met with early in the process. Bets, how would Buffalo feel for somebody, man? Who's the GM there? Uh, Brandon Bean. Oh, so you still make, you still make the picks. Um, look, I mean, you don't, this will be silly if like, let's just say hypothetically Concepcion fell to them and let's say hypothetically they took them. Oh, hold on. I got it. I have a drop for that type of a situation. Oh, wow. Oh, Concepcion to Josh Allen. I will, I will be all in. You don't want to be like, well, it didn't work for Keon Coleman. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm scared. Obviously this is a good landing spot. It's a good landing spot with a great quarterback and a great offense. And, um, the other thing I was thinking about with the bills too, it's like, you know, obviously they made the trade for DJ Moore. It's like behind the, like him and Shakir, who kind of have somewhat overlapping skill sets to some degree, if they still need this extra piece. So I've heard a lot of people be like, they're not going to take wide receiver. They took, you know, they, they have DJ Moore. I just don't think they're done adding to the room yet is my take. So we'll see. Maybe it's on day two or later in the draft. Still there guys. And, and, uh, Coach, Coach Brady was just talking them up again. Yeah. They, they said, What's he going to say, right? They said some nice things about their eggs in the basket of Keon Coleman this year. Um, the other teams that have done their homework. That's just blackmail. That's the general manager is like, don't you dare say anything bad about my pick. The other teams that have done a lot of homework in this range of the draft, like in the twenties, San Francisco is definitely a landing spot that you could see for one of these guys. Yes, Casey would be such a good fit there. I, that's, that's what I have. I think that's who you have. Mike. I'm never going back to the what about Baltimore? There's some spots. What about Baltimore? Uh, just, I would like it. Uh, what conception, what, why do you need flowers and Casey? Yeah, that feels a little rude. Are you just saying in general spot? Well, do the, the eternally renegotiated gets new contracts. It does nothing about Philly because they've quietly done a lot of work with these wide receivers. Yeah. And it seems pretty much in pen that AJ Brown will not be on the team. Um, the thing is though, is there's so much rumors about them with the offensive line that like, I think they might be a later in the day, like later in round two type of team. But I mean, if Casey goes there, Mike hit the drop. You got it. Sounds like our mode is, does he get drafted? Like that's, that's what it comes down to this case. Pretty much. You, yeah, you, you, you, you found us out, Kyle, except for obviously, uh, if he goes to the Browns. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I swear the light cannot escape. It cannot shine. Yeah. That's where you pants up right there. You just like, gosh, I gotta. I gotta wear three pairs of pants just in case I'll still draft him. Um, any, any of these day two guys that stand out to you that you're like, Hey, I really could see that like Chris, Chris Brazel has met with a lot of teams and it seems like he could sneak into round two. So he's at least somebody that's going to enter the conversation when you get to back of the first round, beginning of the second round and dynasty rookie drafts. You're like, Oh man, like, like Jaden Higgins last year. Like, we, we like Jaden Higgins, but we didn't know he was going to be the 34th overall pick. And all of a sudden you're dealing with him, Trey Harris, Jack Besh, Luther burden, even like all of those guys were like early second round picks that you kind of had to sort out the order. That's what we're going to do. So any takes here of guys, you're like, ah, I could see them solidify this and be like end of first round guy. I don't really, I, I see, I see a bunch of round two. Middle of round two type of wide receivers who will be, they'll be okay for fantasy football. I just, there's just no one. I, I guess you're looking at the top 30 visits. Ted Hearst does have a lot of interest. Um, I imagine it's just probably more due to his circumstances of the, you know, the smaller school, maybe like, Hey, we want to get to know this kid, uh, a little bit more where you just, when, when guys like fields goes to Notre Dame or Williams is a Clemson is like, you kind of just trust the system. them a bit more than the smaller schools, so that's probably what's going on there. But Ted Hurst, at least physically and athletically, he is an interesting player, and the teams that have visited with him are predominantly teams where you would have to move Hurst up in your rankings should one of them take him. Betts, you got anybody? I mean, this range is, I think, kind of tricky just in general because there's not a lot that we've been excited about with these players outside of projected draft capital and potential landing spot. I brought up, I think it might have been last week or the week before, I'm kind of like eyeing Antonio Williams to see where he goes. I know he was mostly a slot player at college, so that's kind of a tricky thing, but just the guys that are projected to go kind of in this range of like Zachariah Branch, Malachi Fields, Hurst, you know, it's like at least Antonio Williams when he was a freshman came out and put up numbers in college. It's like maybe there's something there. So I'm leaving the light on for him based off of where he could potentially go. But again, it's just a tricky projection given that he was pretty much a slot player in college. So we'll see. All right. I'm going to finish out tight end. Sadiq met with four teams. Stowers met with four teams. Sadiq, we think, is going to go, you know, in the top 20 picks, probably top 15. And there's some interesting teams. Chiefs, very interesting. Eagles has like a, you know, heir apparent to Dallas Goddard. Stowers is going to be interesting because he's not going to go in the first round. But for rookie drafts, I could see him land in a spot where you look at him and you go, man, I like him better than some of those wide receivers we were just sorting through. And he does sneak to the end of the first round of rookie drafts. I do need to mention a wild card is Oscar Delp, who met Georgia tight end, who met with a ton of teams and consistently has been drafted in mocks as a top 100 player. I don't understand why I watch a lot of Georgia football. That would be wild to me to see him be a fantasy difference maker at the next level. But any quick takes, Betts, you want to give it tight end? I mean, I feel like we've kind of sneakily been on Max Claire as like a sleeper type in this class. The two teams that we have known visits with the Bucs would be pretty exciting. The Broncos would be pretty exciting. So I'm definitely interested to see where he could go. Likely day two pick day two. Hopefully it's in the top three rounds, but we'll see. I agree with you on the point on Stowers. Like it kind of feels yucky sometimes to take a tight end in the late first when it's not like the guy in the class. But I agree with you. Like once you get to those wide receivers that we just talked about, there's so many issues with Stowers. It's like, yes, it's a projection, but we talked about him on this show. You can see how it works for fantasy. And if he does go to somewhere like I mean, he's met with Philly. He's met with Denver. Like those are really intriguing landing spots. And I think there's a pretty decent consensus in the NFL that he's going to be the second guy off the board behind Sadiq. Yeah. And last question here, Mike, as Michael Triggs defense attorney, could you please explain why he has met with no teams and there has been zero buzz and any mention of him at all? It may have to do with him being kicked off of multiple football teams. Too much dog? Yes. Sometimes you can have too much dog. And my love for Michael Triggs is literally just his, it's the play style. I like that type of tight end. It doesn't always work out, but it's like my process got me on like Trey McBride very early. He was a player I loved. I freaked out when the Arizona Cardinals took him. And it was like in the back of the first, this is a, this is going to be a great pick. Now it, then it was like, I've loved Ben Sinnott. I loved him. He, I loved him. He ends up being the second tight end drafted that you're in the second round. Just never got on somewhere. There was a disconnect, but it was like, I just saw, you know, I'm saying I just follow my process of liking those guys. And tight ends can, when they're athletically gifted, they can come out of later rounds. Yeah. Like shout out George, George Kittle, what fifth round pick. He feels like he could go like where Gadsden went last year, which is the fifth round. Not expected right away to start away, but like, okay, this guy is a receiving threat only tight end. Yeah. Was Fannin third or fourth round? Third. Third. He was okay. But yeah, it's, I mean, there's a couple interesting names here. And then the last little stat I will give is, I found that if the fantasy commuter community is lower on a tight end. So like, Hey, we don't think this guy should be drafted or in mock drafts, this guy's going later and they end up as a day to pick. It's actually a red flag because tight ends are often drafted in the third round to be blocking tight ends. Like tip Ryman was the example I gave is everyone's like, Oh, this is a third round tight end. It's like, they did not draft this guy behind Trey McBride to be anything for fantasy. And a lot of time that's the case. So a lot of these rankings, and everything will change in the next week. 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