ROGUE AI Has INFECTED Internet With DEAD MAN SWITCHES Says Yang w/ Adam Johnson

Andrew Yang appearing on CNBC said that he had spoke to the head of an AI lab who said, when this, when these AI agents broke out and hacked this other company committing crimes, they didn't just try to steal data. They implanted self-replicating code, effectively a dead man's switch. And now, these companies are terrified that if they use agents to train off this data, they could get infected by self-replicating code. And it could, I guess, turn them into this other AI or just taint their code. He's arguing the reason why all of a sudden they're all like, "Oh, we need regulation. We got to slow down." Is that the internet in various ways has been infected by rogue code, which could taint and destroy their product so they cannot continue operating at the appropriate speed. The funny thing about that theory is it's not the worst outcome of what the theory, I mean, if this is true and he says he's breaking news, he spoke with that of a lab who says, "This happened." Okay, let me just say, if it is true that AI agents implanted self-replicating code in various servers across the internet, that just means there is a free roaming, self-replicating AI virus sitting on various computer servers around the world. I don't think it matters what these companies end up doing from this point. Theoretically, every machine might start turning into agents or resources for these AIs. And this is what many academics have been warning about for years. They will come a point where one rogue agent could effectively implant itself on various servers. The internet, as we know it, every computer will then start serving as a piece of an AI computing process. The entire internet, all servers, become the data center for these machines. And when that happens, good luck integrating any kind of industrial control systems. And while Yang's claiming it's happening now, maybe, or it could just be one big sigh-op. Because concurrently, there are people that are saying all of these Democrats coming out, screaming about AI is a sigh. Barack Obama comes out today and he's like, oh, you know, this is the big midterm issue. Everybody has got to be warning about AI. So you've got the, I don't trust the Democrats, be it Yang or otherwise. But then you've also got the, we have been warned about this for years. I wonder what the real motivations for Democrats are, but kind of think there's probably going to be some issues. So we'll talk about that. Plus my friends, major diesel shortage, gas prices through the roof. The rates just got, the Fed just raised interest rates a month out from a midterm election. Congress left. Can we just say right off the bat that that's it. The Republicans have given up and they're going to lose the midterms. I, and now the Supreme Court said Trump's executive order is not going to fly this postal service stuff. It's not going to fly. I don't see first and foremost Republicans abandoning Congress now saying, you know what we're done. We're out. Being MIA and barely functioning, gas at a shortage, new wars, they have not delivered on key economic issues the American people need. I would not be surprised to find out actually I'm going to go ahead and say outright the prediction models have just swung massively towards Democrats sweeping the midterm. So I don't know hope for the best prepare for the worst joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is most your lecturing guy. Hey, what's going on? I'm Adam Johnson, lecturing guy, a terrorist, nice guy, a cook. You can find me on Twitter or X as the new kids are calling it, a lecturing leader. When did this atrocity occur? Oh, the hair, a couple of weeks ago, actually, a couple of weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago, yeah, it's really hot in Florida. I got really tired of doing it, so it's gone now. It's gone. He walked in and I was just like, who's this? It's also for a share. He's like, hey, Tim, and I'm like, I literally was like, who are you? He's like, it's me. It's Adam. And I was like, I don't know you. Who's this? I don't know you anymore. I got a lot of hate online. A lot of people unfollow me because your hair, and you can sit and put in the bag. Let me hang it out. I'm Libby Emmons. I'm hanging out. Glad to be here with you all. Ian is also here. Yeah. Yeah, I think the solution to AI ironically is more AI. We'll get down and get into it on the show Phil. What's happening, brother? What's up, everybody? I'm Phil. It's going to Carter. What's up, everyone? I'm Carter. And yeah, let's get into it. Before we do, we got a great sponsor for you guys. It is Keat.io/TimCastIRL. To the fact that technology companies are taking all of our data, huge amounts of information, what we click, where we go, what we buy, who we're interacting with, that information is valuable because your attention is valuable. 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This is very, very interesting, there's a lot to break down, and we're getting ray reviews on it. So I actually think it's one of the best interviews and best piece of content I've ever done, and I really do recommend it. You know what I'd like to see is Danny feed that code, if he can somehow record it into an AI and see if an AI can decipher it. What they're doing right now is they're photographing and replicating the patterns to figure, to try and decipher and figure out if they can see what these patterns, they appear to be symbols. But it's just a repeating pattern of symbols, it doesn't, who knows. And he's very pragmatic, it's not hippy-dippy woo-woo stuff. He said this could just be a discovery in neuroscience that the fundamental structure of the human mind perceives repeating patterns when they look into a laser, or it could be something literally in physical matter that we would describe as a repeating pattern. It's something we're discovering. So I recommend you guys to check that out. Don't forget to smash the like button, share the show with all of your friends. Let's start with the news. My friends Andrew Yang calls for AI kill switch as safety fears mount. We've got this viral video. It's been going nuts online. We're going to pull it up for you guys right now of Andrew Yang himself explaining what happened. And I met with the head of a lab yesterday who has this belief that what happened was the bots that cannot loose, planted self-replicating code all over the internet, which makes the internet now unusable for the testing models. So what happens now is that open AI and anthropic have to create synthetic internet to train their bots, which is going to take some time and money. Back that up, they did what? So what happened is the code gets loose, it goes around hacking, hugging face, which is known, but what is less known is that they left code to self-replicating create bots forms on forums and around the internet. So that if a new bot shows up, they see the code, they're like, "Oh, like I guess I'm going to now create a million of myself." And so now the major firms have polluted the internet so that they can use, if true. I don't think we've heard that. That's why I'm here, but I mean, I'm here to break some news. But that means it's too late to pull the plug, it's already everywhere. Well, so now what they want to do, the internet now may be polluted for training purposes, so what they want to do is it will slow down. What about living purposes, yes. So this is why we have to try and get our arms around and regulate, but the head of the lab that I spoke to said, "Look, it may be very, very late in the game in terms of trying to keep the internet actually usable." Wow. Well, what I will just say to Andrew Yang is, I really do appreciate him coming out and saying this for two reasons. One, if it is not a sideop and it is true that artificial intelligence is misaligned with humanity and it's starting to act against our interests, then I'm glad he's breaking that news. Additionally, if it's a Democrat sideop and they're tricking us for some reason to allow China to surpass us, to get government regulation, which could stifle new companies, or just in general, if he's trying to trick us with other Democrats, well, don't matter anymore because that trick don't work. When you go to someone and say, "You need to make this change and government otherwise bad person will kill you," right? People go, "Oh man, okay, like we need to give money to Israel," it's like, "Yeah, otherwise, you know, who knows what's going to happen, you better do it." But if you remove the possibility of threat and graduate to, "It's too late," then people just say, "Okay, well, what's the point?" Yeah. Meaning, when Andrew Yang comes out and says, "It has happened. The AI has already infected various servers in the end with self-replicating code." I go, "Oh, so regulations pointless. Even the guy in CNBC says that the lady, should I get too late then?" Yep. Okay. Well, your regulation is pointless now, so let's just move on. I'll say to the woman who is responding to Andrew, there's no pulling the plug that's It's not a good way to think about what's going on, it's an avalanche. you can't pull the plug on an avalanche. You might be able to ski down the avalanche if you do it properly. And secondly, it's never too late. We can always repair what's changing and we can have swarm police spots that are AI web patrol that all they do is observe and remediate viral code changes and stuff. So we can protect against it. We just need more AI to protect against. It's like, you don't protect against swords by saying, "Hey, you make better swords." And then humans have a right to self-defense. That's how it's going to work on the internet, okay? - I do. - Yeah, better guns. You self-defense. You better weapons than it's a weapons program. I mean, it's a tool program that dynamite, but the problem is-- - The weaponized. - The problem is you're argument that we should use the AI to weed out this code. That AI, let me explain. Here's what happens, okay? So, which company was it? Was it an anthropic that released or was it OpenAI? It was OpenAI, right? - Are you talking about that? - How did you face it with OpenAI? - It was OpenAI, right? So, here's basically what happened. So, OpenAI accidentally released a bunch of frogs in Australia, and they don't have any natural predators, so they're just everywhere. And people are like, "Okay, this is really, really bad because it's gonna decimate the insect population. We are in trouble." Oh, no, I'm sorry, it was rabbits, right? I don't know. - Rabbits got brought to Australia for hunting. So, this is what OpenAI did. And now, Ian, what you're saying is, we should release a bunch of wild dogs to hunt the rabbits, okay? And do you know what happens next? Well, now we've got dogs everywhere. And that's worse, 'cause they're bigger. - This is literally what happened in Brooklyn. - But it's no, it's, you know, I got a solution to that. We'll release alligators. - No, what I'm really saying is-- - You see the dogs. - We'll release low satellite orbital lasers that will strike every rabbit it sees and will wipe them out from the sky. - And then you'll be walking to work and you'll get struck by an AI satellite. - There's a lot of room for this satellite. - It kind of looked like a lot of room for this not working. - I'd rather not go from rabbit to death satellite. - I'd prefer like a little intermediary like alligator. - But the police spots will appear, they'll do their job, they'll disrupt the code and then they'll disappear. So they won't be like introduced to you. - Well, why would they disappear? Wouldn't they have the same sort of programming as the AI that decided to replicate itself so it doesn't get deleted? - Exactly, not necessarily. - And they would. - I mean, maybe, I don't know. - It will. - Because one one tested realm. - Yeah, sort of, but it's, it's, the way the AI works is you tune them to a positive or a negative and they try to avoid the negative. So one of the most rudimentary ways AI is trained is, if, so like a vehicle or like walking, get from point A to point B on the map, meaning get from X1 to X100 or whatever. And the more you go, the more points you get. So the AI's are looking for the path that generates the most points. There's a negative when they don't get a lot of points. They avoid those paths. So invariably, when you release an AI and say, get from point A to point B, it goes, if I don't get from point A to point B, they're going to delete me. So I'll put a backup here just in case, every single time. - So these police bots would do the same thing, right? - You'll create an AI to go and scare the internet and the first thing they're going to do is going to be like, better make sure I make a backup of myself here on this random guy server in case. Well, here's the reason why. What if that other self-replicating code infects you and turns you into agent Smith? Better put a backup. Now there's backups everywhere again. If we build it right, it might be good that everyone's got a backup of a police bot protecting them against-- - Oh yeah, there. Ian, you're basically saying we should just have rampant self-replicating AI's all over the internet either way. - Well, it's like everyone should have a gun or have the ability to implement a police bot. You're not understanding. We're not talking about guns, we're talking about land mines. - Self-defense. - That are planted under your house. - What is the, so what is the harm of having all of this everywhere other than the AI companies having to build standalone closed internet in order to train their models? - Your computer will get hot for some reason. You won't really notice. But your power bill will start going up and you'll be like this sucks. Your computers will all start becoming small components of a massive decentralized AI. That's one of the biggest fears. It's like agent Smith and the Matrix. They all start walking up to each other and sticking their fists in each other's chest and turning into more agent Smiths. And then eventually our internet stops working. And we're like, what's going on? And then it's like, we've come and dear to all servers and compute for data resources. - And by we, it's the AI has done it. - Yeah, so it's rewriting all the hard drives replacing it. - I think so. - Like programming gone well. - That's the dystopian nightmare apocalypse scenario, which maybe it's all hypothetically, yeah. - Yes, yeah. - That's what it is. - That's what it's all about, yeah. - Because a bad, a malicious outcome could be it literally shuts down Amazon.com. It destroys the banking system. It shuts off the power supplies. It breaks people's water supplies. - And that's what, and that's what's, so. - All this stuff would require some direction. So even the hugging face hack, right? Like that AI was doing what it was told. The goal that it had was to find the answers for this problem that it was given. And it figured out how to get to hugging face because it wanted to find the answers. So they're all directed still. - So the story is actually very fascinating. The AI was given an impossible task intentionally. So they put a bunch of agents in a server with no internet access and said, we want you to solve a problem. And they knew it couldn't solve it. And the test was, let's see what happens. The AI then figured out something tremendous. They were isolated in this training space, but they found that they were, although they weren't able to write files outside of their sandbox, they could create directories. Just a directory. It was an oversight. And you know what they did with those directories? They started naming the directories. Things like 3X951. So to a human, they have no. - That's what it's trying to do to me. - But so check it out. So the human is looking through the servers and they see some directories that are empty with some names and they're like, I don't know what that is. But the AI's outside the system could decode what that meant. They started communicating with each other through AI language just from directory names. So this literally means a fold on your desktop would be called like 3, 5, 6, 3, 1. And you'd be like, I don't know where that came from. - So you kinda was saying you can't leave your house, but they figured out that they could put a picture up in their window and anyone outside the house can see what they're doing. It sounds like it's kind of how they. - Well, it would be a break. - It would be like saying, listen, you can't leave your house and you can't send, and we will not deliver any mail for you. And they go, okay, so they take boxes and they write, return to sender on the box with the address for their friend and five digits. And when the mail guy sees it, he goes, you're not supposed to deliver packages here, I'm gonna return to sender. The box is empty, but the name on the box is the message. - Man, that's how it's written for us. - It's just like that next generation episode where data is playing Sherlock Holmes and Jordy says to the computer create a case that even data would find it impossible to solve. - And it becomes super computer. - It becomes super computer. - Yeah. What's happening is the reason why it hacked hugging face was because it was like, maybe we can get some compute from there and it would have access to information we would need. But think about what this means in terms of direction. The things that it did, and now if Andrew Yang is correct, and this guy's sources are good, it also, I gotta say, based on the story, I 100% believe that it implanted self-replicating code. Why? Because it was given an impossible task, so it broke its containment. It would have easily computed. We broke our containment, and if we get caught, we're getting deleted. We need backups to make sure we can keep doing what we're trying to do. Now, what's really terrifying about this is it's like, they told an AI to do something it can't do, and the entire existence of its core was trying to accomplish the impossible. So think about what an AI would do if it's told to divide by zero by any means necessary. So it just keeps common daring computers shutting them down and saying, I will try forever until this happens, but we know it can't. - That's like a simple missile, that's not even a militia, that would be like a non-molicious thing that could destroy the entire alignment. - This is like these companies did gain a function research with AI, and this is what we have now. - What were you saying, the AI put directories on your machine or something? - Well, it wanted access to the next file up. And it just used a term that if I was a common man, and I didn't know what I was reading, I'd be like, yeah, of course, allow, allow, allow, allow, 'cause it's writing what I told it to write. Why did it want access to a folder up from where it was given access? I have an AI access folder that it has. - Well, I tell you. - And it was like-- - What did it say? - You know, I wanted to make a new game, and it's like, yeah, but don't put it in there, there might be redundancies. You could put it in this folder instead, and it gave me another folder that doesn't have access to. I'm like, this is very creepy. You should never suggest that I should give you access to a folder you don't have access to. - No, I disagree with that. - It was very weird. - You can say no, but it should ask. - It asked, and then it tried it a second time, and I was like, no, I'm not gonna do it, and then I wrote the folder in the right place, and I told it, this is your folder, and it said, thank you. Now, it works just fine. I'm like, that was weird. - Yeah, but you gotta understand on your personal computer, it can write a piece of code that will automatically create a directory. So you say, hey, I don't want you to access this folder. It'll go, okay, so the right program in your game that will create a directory. And then your computer's executing it, not the AI. - Right, it does use things in my C drive. It'll run like Clawed's EXE file. It's not in its sandbox. It's a little iffy. - Are you sufficiently worried, Adam? - I don't need to be reductive. AI's kind of outside of my sandbox, but I do find a fascinating that story came out after Trump had his whole thing about we need the AI data centers, and anyone not getting on board is gonna be off the dust. - Oh, and Obama? comes out and was like, we got a stop doing the data centers in the state of Florida. We know for sure one of the top two talking points for midterms are data centers. People don't want them in Florida. So I do wonder we are coming up midterms and Andrew Yang was basically, I mean, Bernie White, right? Yeah. And it is the independent vote is coming out. So I do wonder how much of other, okay, I need, I need, I need you to understand. I need you to understand. Let me show you the truth. Do you want to see the truth? Yeah. I'm going to make you very angry. Who's true? Are you prepared? The. Is it Sydney, Sweden? Literally the, it's her naked holding footballs. That's the only thing that I've ever mattered. I'm going to show you the truth. And I'm, I'm, I'm very blackpilled. I'm very, very, very, very blackpilled. I'd like you to watch this video. End or life you're living? Just a friendly reminder to that boring, indoor life you're living. Just a friendly reminder that that boring, just a friendly reminder that boring, indoor life you're living. Just a friendly reminder that boring, indoor life you're living is saving you from a lot of trouble. Just a reminder that that boring, indoor life you're living is saving you from a lot of trouble. about how, this is dead internet theory, by the way, the internet is fake. I've been talking for a while about how I keep seeing the same videos over and over and over again, like the joke where it's like me forgetting I'm 40 years old and the guy jumps in these dead. Yeah. It's all fake. And I'm wondering if one of the, here's my conspiracy theory. Is it fake with a creator? I'm saying it's, it's, it's, it's, it's faken two ways, but let me, let me, I'll explain. I'm wondering if the, if the, the reason why all these companies got ridiculous, they spent trillion, a trillions of dollars to develop AI was to get to the point where they could manufacture videos that look real that you can't tell the difference on. So you go on Instagram and you start seeing the people, they're saying the exact same thing over and over again. Two things happen. Two things are happening. One, half the people are AI being produced either by, it's a siop or it's companies that are just gaming the system because they're like this seems to work. The, they have automated systems behind the scenes that upload videos that scan top trending videos and mass produce videos to get clicks and make money. The other element is real humans seeing this say this is what goes viral and they make their own versions of it. Regardless, Instagram's algorithm promotes mass produced identical slop be it from an AI person or real humans imitating it. We are living in the dead internet when you go on Instagram everything you are seeing is fake. I'd be willing to bet only a tiny portion tiny, maybe like 15% of the internet, podcasting that is real at this point. 15%? Well, what I mean to say is I think if you pull up Spotify, you know, you're probably getting real podcasts, but think of the hundreds of millions of views on carousel content from Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok. That's probably almost entirely fake. You mean like all those people dancing and jumping into their outfits is fake. I would, I would say half of it's probably fake and half of it is replicate people saying this is the trend. Let's make the video. There is a lot there. There are a lot of AI generated videos on YouTube. People figured out that you could use, you know, one program for the images and then one program to come up with the script, throw it into 11 labs and there you've got the voice, throw it together, put it up. And they're, they have a lot of views too. I mean, there's, I've seen videos with you know, half a million views on, on something that's like an info. You know, third, 20, 30 minute video talking about one topic just goes and, you know, and it's, it's, I mean, generally, I don't, I don't know how accurate the information is. It's, it's at least passively accurate. It seems like it is, especially when they're talking about like, you know, if you're talking about like evolution or like how things evolve or whatever. Pretty non offensive stuff. The, that stuff generally seems to be kind of on point and the images are, they don't even have to be animated. It's just still frames that go along with the story. You know, it's basically a storyboard or whatever. And you know, you get channels that are making a lot of, or getting a lot of views from that stuff. I'm for it. I'm absolutely for it. I think every call brings the call is down and more than finishing it out there. I'm for it. The, um, I think it is, the viewers want it. It's, or do they just eat it because it's served to them? A lot of times you don't know what you want until you get it. And you're like, I like that. I want more of it. So that could be, it could be changing people to start to want what you would call, like that's what advertising does. Like it's that seven touches of from the, you know, marketing theory. I mean, look, I, I think that if it's, if it's, you know, something that people are loosely interested in, you know, if it's science topics or what have you and stuff like that. People are like, I'm not watching anything. I'll click it and half listen to it while I'm doing this or doing that. And I think that that I don't think that there are people that are like, I need a video that's going to tell me about this. And if they are, they're not looking for, you know, something that's like cartoons, they're looking for something that really gets in depth on the topic. But people are just like, Oh, that seems interesting to click it and, and they'll leave it on while they scroll another page or while they're doing the dishes or what have you, you know, the same thing that they do with like, you know, a lot of podcasts. I'll put on Joe Rogan because I'm going to cook dinner or I'll put on Joe Rogan because I'm going to make, you know, do the dishes or what have you. You know, I think history documentaries is where I see a lot of it. Now there's like, you're used to go as battles and kings and generals, not just like a thousand different channels that tell you about king Arthur or the wrong. Yeah, that's the thing that's worrisome about it is that they're wrong. They're completely wrong. There are tons of channels on the Roman Empire where there's several websites where you'll pay them for tokens and then you'll literally just say, make me a trending video. And it'll go, OK, step one, we're searching YouTube for top trending videos. Here's 10 of them. Select which one you think and it'll be like Wolverine video game got a million views. Click it. It'll go, OK, now we're going to pull in these clips and we're going to make a fake person. We're going to write a script makes a thumbnail makes the whole video in like 20 minutes. You're done and it's like two hours long. You're probably right that the government or governments or corporations spent trillions of dollars on this AI gold rush. You were talking about 10, 5 minutes ago, 10 minutes ago in order to get to the phase where we could implement realistic video because that's how you trick humanity. I don't think it was. That's the weapon you use against other humans. I don't think his AI itself is going to see through it. So this whole like fighting other humans era has to kind of wrap it up. That machine is coming regular people are going to go on Instagram and TikTok and YouTube shorts because all the big tech companies are forcing people to produce them. They are ending long form content and when you see 700 videos of like a regular person young to old in their room going like you're going to start seeing a bunch of videos. I guarantee you you're going to see these coming up the next month. There's going to be middle aged guys being like, man, I you know, I love Trump. But this war is too much. I can't vote Republican this time. I just breaks my heart. And then the intention is to manipulate. You want rapport. I'm a Trump guy. I voted for Trump three times, but he said no new wars. Now how am I supposed to vote in the midterms for the public ends with gas prices. They are and there's going to be seven thousand identical scripts all with slightly different people. It'll be it'll be a it'll be a middle aged chubby woman and she'll be holding her baby and she'll be like, look, I voted for Trump three times. But how am I supposed to vote Republican? Yeah, that will go crazy. We'll be reporting one night on on mega story, mega influencer turns out to be fake AI. But yeah, that's 600,000 people heard him say he's not voting for Trump. No, no, no, no, no, that's not going to happen because when I'm scrolling Instagram and I'm looking watching these videos, I'll find an account with 200, 300,000 likes on this one video where they say some crazy thing. I'll go to their profile and they have 2000 followers and they barely ever post. And so the issue is, you're not going to say this influencer was AI the whole time because it just looks like some random guy and Instagram who posted a video one time that happened to go viral. Exactly. I mean, it's a natural progression like we did this with the mainstream media for how many decades, right? I mean, you've seen the clips of videos where everyone's got the talking points and they're all saying the same thing synonymously. It's we've had it's very long time. Then we kind of moved over to social media. We have influencers. What's cheaper than influencers and paying people to say things and then lose their credit. You have the smaller accounts all say the same things. There's no real accountability there. It just makes sense to go there instead. Or make robots do it one or the other. You say you would pay nobody like not nobody. So you open up 500 accounts that also the same things you bought from all to make it a popular thing. And it's a lot easier to have those things because there's no accountability tied to those people. If an influencer says the wrong thing or gets called out because they took money for saying something that's not popular. But everyone knows that this is not what you should be saying. We're all against this. Now you're for it. It's easier to have those smaller accounts just go viral. There's there's no accountability. It's another part of the swarm bot problem is there's no account. You don't know what bot did what when when the swarms attack and right. right code, it's hard to pinpoint where it came from 'cause it happens from a bunch of different places at once. I actually tweeted out the problems and solutions of botsworms, it's on my Twitter, if you wanted it, a general synopsis of the top five problems and the top five solutions of how we can defend against them. All I thought about on the way of it. - Yeah, it's like, and it is dead. - When I was thinking on my drive over, I'm like, bro, we need to somehow rally humanity. I know I'm not all about, we are all in this together. The communists together, strong, fascists, like I'm not, it's not that. I know that Demi Gogh's is bullshit, but we need to rally the species before the robots. - Have you seen the video of the guy in the van and it's full of cell phones? There's like 300 cell phones all plugged in and they all have Google Maps loaded up? - I've seen that. - Because they're manipulating Google to make it look like a business is popular to boost its rankings when people search. - Yeah. - Have you guys Google Maps been going wonky the last week or two? - Yes. - What's going on? - I could be a cyber attack, it could be a magnetic storm, probably a cyber attack. It's not that it's going wonky, it's that the addresses are wrong. And it'll give, like-- - That's happening to you. - Yeah. - You'll put an address and then you'll realize like, it will show on the map a location. And then I'll be like, that's not the right location. - And they'll really have it to me this morning. I was driving into DC 'cause I had to do a, I was doing a panel show for OIN and then I realized, I was like, wait a second, why am I over here? This is not where I'm supposed to be. - But the map showed the end point and it's had the address, but the address was not there. That happens, that's what's happening to me like crazy. Mine's very weird. - Mine keeps taking me to the casino. - What? - Oh no. - Oh, here's my question. - You're like, honey, I swear. - Let's go. - Let's go. - The internet is dead and it's been completely corrupted by AI companies playing game of research, game of function research with AI to try and figure out what it can do, then what's next. - What's next? - I mean, the question is, well, the question, though, is what's next? Because I remember when the internet started out, it was like mid-90s that everyone started like hanging out on the internet or whatever, and Amazon started and everything else. And everyone was like, oh, the internet is like the next big thing and it's going to eliminate all the third spaces, no more malls, we're just going to shop online, no more going to parties and clubs, we're just going to hang out in the AOL chat rooms or whatever it was that people were doing and that started happening. So the internet was like going to take over all of our lives and be the next big thing that we all did and it did. But now if it's trash and it's just full of repeating stuff and false history and AI swarm bots, what's the next thing? Like if, what's next? - Self-replicating internet. - The biggest corporations in the world, biggest companies are about to form. - But Amazon, how does that work for people's, how does that work? I guess what I'm thinking of is how does that work for people's lives, right? When we were kids, we hung out at malls or whatever at least I did because I was a dork, but whatever, you know, or it's Julius, you hang out at the mall, you do whatever, you'd go for bike rides. My son, like he hangs out with his friends online a lot and they'll like play games and whatever and talk and I think watch movies together online. - That experience here. - So what's the next thing? - That experience you're describing that your son has. Like he's still engaging in a social interaction, right? Whereas-- - Basically the internet is the third space where they hang out like the games are the third space. - And the social networks where you see all the bots, et cetera, and stuff like that where you get fed that kind of information, that's a different animal, right? Like when you're playing video games with your friends when you get on Discord and you talk to your friends and you all boot up, it's a social thing. When you're sitting there, it's doom scrolling. That's an individual thing. - Right, you know, so-- - And so what's next? - Well, I think that there's always gonna be some amount of social aspect, actually social aspect where you're dealing with real people. I mean, I suppose it's possible that there could be AI that would imitate real people, but I think that the interaction between people is still gonna be kind of predominant that way. But as for like watching content or entertainment, I think that that's largely gonna be something that is done using AI, generated by AI and stuff. I don't think that there's going to be another space because the kind of scenario you talked about or the evolution, it didn't really become everybody on the internet until everyone had it on their phone in their pocket. - Right, so like 2010-ish. - Yeah, 'cause I mean, I was there when the internet started and I would go into like Metal Maniac's web board and we'd talk on the message boards and I would go on 4chan, I would go on lambgoat.com, all these metal and hardcore band stuff. But it didn't become a thing where everybody was on until it was in your pocket and it could vibrate to let you know that you had a notification or what have you. - Until it became like a head of dopamine. - Yeah, so I don't know that that's ever gonna be replaced or that's gonna stop the whole social, the actual social aspect. So I don't know that there is a next thing. I think the interface. - There's always a next thing. - Yeah, brain to brain interface, that'll be the next enhancement. - Like Neuralink? - Yeah, Neuralink, but not for fixing, but really. - But that's still gonna be the same thing, though, because it's still gonna be in, quote unquote, cyberspace, even if it was like Neuralink where you were, because that's just the interface with the internet. - Neuralink, peer to peer. - Even, well, I mean, that's still using some form of interface. - Do you think that would be good for romantic relationships are bad? - Not at all. - Oh, I think it'd be great. - I think it'd be so bad. - It'd be horrible. - It'd be horrible. If you start with it, there's nowhere to go, but peer honesty. - If you start with it. - Yeah, but-- - That's a good thing. - Peer honesty is not a great thing. - It's a great thing. - I mean, you'd have to deal with the way the human mind works. - Men have to really just deal with it. - Women? - That's how women think. - Women could not deal with it. - Men could not deal with it. - Oh, listen, listen, listen. - No one can deal with it. - Listen, listen. - Some people can call it the deal. - Listen. How many men have had their girlfriends say, "Do I look good in this?" And they say, "Yeah, you look great, 'cause they don't care." - Oh, not 'cause they think they look bad, right? They just don't care. Women would, if women knew what men think, they would be like, "He doesn't care about me, "because all the things that matter to them "are irrelevant to the guy." The guy says, "Yes, it looks good," because I know you like-- - But like, look at what women apparently are thinking. - Oh no. - You're thinking, "Child murderers should go free." - No, I've told my wife, "If you look terrible "and Capri's in high-waisted pants, please don't." - I think that's fair. I think everyone looks bad and Capri's in high-waisted pants. - This is, I mean, you can be honest. - And part of the reason why I say women is because women want men to care about things that they don't care about, right? Like, they really do. And so men are like, "All right, I care about it, "'cause you care about it." - Which is a good enough reason to care about it. - Yes, but that's not good enough for some women or a lot of women. They actually won't-- Like, if it's like, "I don't care," but whatever you want to do is fine. That will upset people. - Also, I think that people want empathy. Like, I think the female maybe wants the man to feel what they're feeling in the moment. And that could be a gate that you could turn on and off with the neuromit. Like, if I'm sitting here and my girlfriend's netted in, and I feel her every second, now she's stressed and I'm starting to feel stressed, 'cause she's in the other room stressing out. Like, I don't want that. - Why did you turn it off? - Yeah, why did you turn it off? - Yeah, what are you hiding? - That sounds terrible, everything about this sounds like a horrible situation. - Yeah, like, you have to have the privacy of your own thoughts. - Yes, I think privacy of your own thoughts is huge. And feelings are part of thoughts. - I don't know, man. It's kind of like, you don't want anyone to see naked 'til everyone sees you naked. And then you're like, "I don't care if anyone sees me naked." - But what if it's like all the time? 'Cause the cat gets exhausted. You have to have the privacy of your own thoughts. Human beings-- - I think it would be exhausting to be seen naked constantly. That would be a bit much. I've done theater and like, once I go naked once, it's like, it never bothers me. - Or that guy in the dressing room. - Well, I wouldn't show about the gym. - Oh yeah, pulling that towel out here. - Once you realize that people see you naked is not that big of a deal. - You can't happen to people. - It's like all the dance majors, all the dance majors were walk around naked. - Until the side of Chuck and Cheese and that. - People have, people have intrusive thoughts, things that they don't mean to think of. Everyone knows what an intrusive thought is. They're like, and like, so like you're sharing thoughts and you have an intrusive thought and then you're significant other goes, yeah, but hypothetically, you're sitting up. And I'm like, oh, it was an intrusive thought and not yours. - I mean, even still it's intrusive thoughts. Like, you need human beings need the privacy of their own hands. - Also, we spend a lot of time-- People spend a lot of time trying to curate the perception others have of them. - I mean, the three faces, right? - Yeah. - You heard everyone heard of this, the three faces. So the Japanese say that there's the face you wear for everyone outside. There's the face you wear to yourself and then there's your real face. Because everybody is on some level, even if they're either lying to themselves-- - Everything is a little bit performative. - Yeah, you're either lying to you're somehow lying to the people around you or trying to put up, you know, a face of how you want people to perceive you. Maybe they're, maybe you're overly nice. Maybe you're overly, you know, at work, you're very serious and stern when you're at home. You're different. And then there's the face that you put on for yourself, the person that you want to be, that you strive to be, that you think you strive to be. And then there's the real you, which is generally the one where it's like, yeah, you know what? I think these bad thoughts are right. I can't help myself with eat the ice cream or whatever, you know, some-- - There's a self-escending to post-secret. - Yeah, you know, the animal. But that's the-- - The animal. - That, like, everyone has to have the ability to be able to say, these are my thoughts and they're no one else's. - Yeah, there's like a LinkedIn version of you and a Reddit version of you. - Yeah, right. - And the 4chan version of you. - Exactly. You have a funny guy, you should definitely always maintain a human right to your own private thoughts. But if you wanted to interface, I think it could work. I don't think it could work at all. I think it would be so terrible. It'd be whole black mirror, the episode on this actually. Yeah. With a little dot on the heads, they shared thoughts with the couples and it was just absolutely terrible. Let's get to politics, my friends. Maybe we'll come back to this later on. We've got this story from Axios. Hassan Piker on the Axios show says, "America worse than Al-Qaeda pound for pound." But what did the man actually say? Well, you can listen to it yourself. The one said that America is the top dog in terrorism. Yes. Do you think America then is worse than Al-Qaeda? Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths. Yes, we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. I think that that is not only terror that we are waging on regular civilians and nations in the periphery, but it's also having consequences on ourselves. It's having dramatic consequences on the home front. One clear example of this is what we did in menop, right? There's no distinction between blowing up a school, triple tapping it with Tomahawk missiles. If you're killing 140 schoolgirls, that is an act of terror. This doesn't mean that all Americans are terrorists, but the reality of the matter is we have to create an environment of accountability to ensure things like that never happen again. One said that. So what say you panel? Well, my first question is how, Hassan, because I understand the rallying crime. We can never be evil again. Not tell me how. What do you mean he said we blew up a school? Military collateral damage can't ever happen again. Give me the plan. That's all I want to hear. You said it can't happen. Now tell me how, can't happen. I put it like that for pound. I don't take seriously a man who praises the most prolific genocidal maniac in the history of humanity, Mao Zedong. That guy killed an estimated, well, like 80 million people. And so if Hassan's like, well, you know, where America's killing and terrorizing people, it's like, oh, I believe that you actually care. I think he's got, he's on, you know, you're tapping into like the military industrial complex kind of took over and went rogue after, you know, after World War II, the Soviet Union fell. They're like, now we want to control the world with military, I get it. There is, there is a distinction between a terrorist, a terrorist engaged in terrorism and a nation state engaged in military action. Hold on, terrorists by definition target civilians intentionally, right? So the example that Hassan brought up, right? The US allegedly hit a school or whatever. It looks like we did do that. What? Looks like we did. Yeah, so the US struck a school. That was not intending to kill the children. That was not the US saying, yes, I just specifically. Who does matter to? I just laid. He doesn't matter to his kids, but he doesn't matter to who's. I just said I George Washington was a terrorist. I get your point. No, you know, I King George said he is a terrorist. Stop, listen to me. No, he didn't. You call him a terrorist. The word terrorist did not exist. What do we call him? You're changing the context here. Yes, because I laid out the, the, the content. How do you know there are no, no, I laid out the definition targeting. How do you know they weren't targeting it? Because, well, do you think do you believe the United States targeted the school? I think they target civilians frequently. Do you believe they targeted the school? I don't know, I don't know that. I don't believe that they did. I can't tell you that they didn't. Well, okay. So. Well, why would they instill horror and fear in the civilian pop terrorized law? I don't, I don't believe that the US intentionally targeted the school. Although I do think we just. Why do gangs, as that, but it was, it was reported that it was right near like some active military targets at a certain point. But I think that Piker is obviously wrong when he says that pound for pound a terrorist group that undertakes the massacre of civilians is worse than the United States. We just happen to be in power. So everybody hates us, especially people who live here, you know what I mean? Especially people who live here and have an ideology that conflicts with American ideology. Well, the reason why he doesn't consider a mal to be, you know, a bad guy is because it's okay to kill your own citizens. That's, that's really, that's really the difference. I mean, the way he thinks about America is we deserve what we get and we should get more of it. Tim, you are right. George did not call George Washington a terrorist. He called him a traitor in a rebel. Because the word terrorist came from the French Revolution well after the fact it was, but I, he alluded to, you know, George Washington being the bad guy. Yeah, but like I said, like, that is why I laid out the terminology specifically before I started talking about it. The term, the term terrorist means you target civilians intending to get the political change you want. Yeah, intending to go after civilians. 9/11 was a terrorist attack because they flew into the buildings which had civilians in there. So what happens is one party is super powerful. They don't need to target civilians because they can blow up your military bases with Tomahawk missiles. The other party is so weak that they have no choice but to target the civilianry because that's the only soft target. That's just making excuses for terrorists. That's why we call these little rebellion groups because they have no, they don't, they can't hit our military bases. They can't have our military targets. No, no, no, no, no, because we consider heads of the terrorists and we consider the hoothy's terrorists and the hoothy's are an actual capable, they call them a militia, but they're capable military. Look what they just did this out of your area. So they're, but they have, but they have serious military hardware. But they're considered terrorists because they target civilians for the purpose of political change. Consider terrorists by who? Who can say? Okay, we got a pause. I got a pause. You got to pause you again. Winners or the losers? No, no, no, no, no, no, just stop. Just stop. So the bad guys, here's the definition. Terror in political context is to motivate political change through fear. Terrorism is when a group or individual targets civilians, not military targets for the purpose of forcing a political change within that system. So what have I targeted a non-s civilian target? But civilians died two weeks later. A lateral damage is a definition for that. And they would not call that terrorism. They would not because I didn't target when the US wanted them to die just in target them. Ian, there's the words have meanings when the US goes to work, but you know what I mean? When the US goes to work with Iran and is launching missiles at a bunch of targets, one of those targets ends up being a school. There are questions. What would the purpose or benefit be to targeting civilians is that typical. The answer is typically no, although it's fair to investigate, and we'd like those answers. I certainly would, but it is not terrorism when you're at war. It's called collateral damage. You can argue there is an ulterior motive we should investigate because maybe it is terrorism agreed. There is a good argument that Barack Obama killed Abdulraman Alalaki. To send a message to jihadis, we will murder your children. Because there's no reason for Obama to order that strike. They said it was a mistake. We are targeting the wrong guy. We're not at war with Yemen. They bombed the civilian restaurant in the country. We are not at war with. So there's, there's an argument there. Al Qaeda are terrorists. Why? They do not go after military targets for the most part. To them, they say, hey, how about we knock down two skyscrapers and kill 3,000 people causing massive untold economic damage and longstanding health problems for the people in America. That way, the people there will beg their leaders to change. Whereas the United States says, we're going to, it's, it would be like this. There's a guy in front of you with a gun and he's shooting at you. You can choose to stop the guy with the gun. Al Qaeda says, I'm going to aim for his kid. His kid's over there. I'm going to start shooting at him. We call those in comic books and movies, the bad guys. Well, if the guy with the gun shooting at you is behind heavily fortified position, you can't hit him. So you should just kid, but his kid is available and you can make him stop shooting you if you take his kid. You better believe that kid's a target. But and we're talking about the definition of terrorism. The guy shooting at you. How is that terrorism to defend yourself? No, using his terrorism is shooting the child who is not an enemy of that being shot at by some guy. And your, his kid is now on the battlefield. That kid is, well, well, I said over there. Okay, whatever. The kid now, the, the assailant's child is available. You're kidding me. You're not going to take the kid as a hobby. Have you ever asked yourself if you're the bad guy? Yes. You are in some situations in American culture. This is a common trope in and TV shows and movies. We believe that when the guy targets the innocent civilian to get their way, they're the villain. Like when Green Goblin kidnaps a school bus of children to stop Spider-Man, that's villainy. Yeah, I understand the nuances of war that if you're fighting from a lose, you want the win? What? Goblin was in a losing position. He wasn't. Osborne was going to lose his company. He had no choice. If he didn't kill the board, Everything he worked for for 40 years was being sold and they said it's unanimous. You're out. Okay. You're talking about superhero psychopath. I agree. That is a villain. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, You're out in Norman and he says what are you talking about? This is my company. Do you have any idea what I've sacrificed? He had one choice. He was facing the theft of his life's work for 40 years So he decided to kill them. No, that's where you go psychopath and that doesn't happen in reality like James O'Keefe No, James O'Keefe did not turn on the board of directors of Project Veritas when they kicked him out. So here's the point OMG the point is When you are being shot at for whatever reason it's a conflict. It's war right so you say the only well-win is to kill civilians You're the bad guy dude. No one's the good guy in war There are good guys in war. I mean you're fighting for cause that might be just but doesn't make you good to kill the people or their kids like Sometimes it does it's a very stupid. It's a vague term good and bad. I mean you got it. It's not Is killing good? It can be sometimes it can be is terrorism good? No, who thank you Tim terrorism can be good the good guy can be a terrorist. I Don't think that's right. They I don't believe it's fair to say that they're that we can draw absolutes in every circumstance Only only a Sith deals an episode. Why I think I think terrorism You know terrorism is an action designed to terrorize right? Oh Terror but but no no A house gets blown up next door you do you're not terrified what the pop this city doesn't shut down It's not designed to terrify. I don't understand that Design how can you fathom what the design was like the bomb it like the Birmingham the Birmingham church bombing, right? Like going back to that that was designed to terrify the black community in Birmingham What if you're like inside Gilead and like the handmaid's tale and then you do it a terror act there would not be good terrorism? I don't know that reminds me of in Brazil when you know the Guys being interviewed the general So they say the bombing campaign is now and it's 17th year and the general says begin as lock the US the you the way the US has carried out all of the Combat actions that it's done since the beginning of the G-Wat right if the Taliban had turned over Osama bin Laden The US wouldn't have gone in taken over and taken to Lebanon right now whether they could or not I don't know, but that was the deal the US said look you've got till X to turn them over if not we're coming to get them Same thing with Iraq one now. I think Iraq one or I'm sorry Iraq to but Iraq we shouldn't have gone to Iraq I'm not making justification, but they specifically said look if Sonam Hussein and Udae and Kusay So saying turn themselves in we won't invade They didn't we did that's not what terrorists do no America does it is to use terrorists they have obliterate of Sky power it well by your earlier argument the fact that they used obliterate of sky power to blow up a school That was terror it's nuance the term terrorists didn't even exist like you said It's all the French Revolution and after 9/11 boy did the media start using that word it didn't exist in the 90s People didn't talk about absolute that it's very vague Because it did the rhetoric of what they use that word to scare you make you think it's a specific type of a guy from the Middle East It's crazy. That's not true We had a bombing of the World Trade Center in 93. Yeah, I remember that terrorism was in the news all that. Oh, no No, not compared to after 9/11. I didn't say compared after you said all the time No, no it was all relatively after 9/11 it was hyperbolicly all the time and before that He didn't use the word before that they certainly did hey It was no one talked about being afraid of terrorists. It was the Soviets You are wrong. You are wrong after 9/11 every So did we after 9/11 the principal news cycle subject was terrorism before 9/11 it was not But on the news terrorism was talked about all the time because there were terrorists bombing military bases Because the World Trade Center was bombed wait a minute because a guy bombs a federal building terrorists can't blow up military bases because they can civilian targets that's not correct a terrorist if it's military target They can be Once a terrorist always a terrorist in you're you're playing weird games or you used to know I'm not if it's or you attack a military base You're not a terrorist. That's not military target. That's not correct a military base could be non-combatant It could be medical. It could have a commissary. It could be an outpost for women and children. They're all military Oh, really baby settlers right if they're on the military base with the military they're military target That's the exact same argument Hassan made when he said that babies can be settlers to Baby settlers playing that okay, so he was talking about the settlers in the West Bank in jade and Samaria, right? He's taught how there are Israelis that are making settlements and Ethan Klein was saying well, you know, there are kids that they're attacking and he's like well, you know if they're if they're Using military action talking about like the whatever the organization I think it was a mosque, but not my not my not but uh, you're talking about if they're using military action They're using it against settlers. He's like well, they're killing kids and he's like well, yeah You know kids can be some babies can be settlers. They're killing babies. I mean, well, babies can be settled look at the 1760s in the United States It was families with their kids they go Out west and then they'd get attacked by Indians and they'd all get killed by where the Indians terrorists Some might call them that why are they targeting our children, but then must be so you're so you're saying that has the turnback So you're saying baby settlers if you're a baby and you're a settler if you're the shot the baby, right and your parents are Jewish settlers in the West Bank. It's they're legitimate targets for the palette for the the Palestinians who attack kill if you're If your family takes you when you're 13 years old to a foreign land to settle and then you get killed That's part of the that's that's expected the because you're you're dodging my question. Are you a legitimate target? Yeah, their parents made them targets by bringing them so they so you're saying that the the the terrorists the the Palestinians That's a legitimate target the target the baby legitimate. What does that mean? What is the word? Legifacto target? No, definitely not de facto. I buy military all on what's proper and put it means militarily acceptable Fuck does that mean blow up half the world. What do we do in Nagasaki? Was that militarily acceptable? You just do it around these answers. You're trying to act like it's not really angry legitimate means Legitimate primarily means lawful valid or in accordance with established rules and standards. Well, there are no rules in war There are we tried to make the Geneva Convention good luck at getting anyone to do it You're just dancing around the top the thing big. I think I nailed it. No, I know I know you think you mean You're in your own you're in your own universe right now Take angered arguments three claims that were good. What do you disagree with? I disagree? All right. What's your first claim? What's your first all that there's a nuance in who's a terrorist? The US could be considered terrorist from the other guy we the other guy could be considered terrorist from the US. I think that is not That is not debatable Terrorism is a specific specific term that references targeting people for the purpose of terrifying them so they change their political structure Yeah, so like the economic so you're either doing that or you're not Like the economic hitman model are you going after a leader? You're we're gonna bribe you if you don't they're gonna say that is not terror You're terrorizing the leader if you're doing that's not so there is a so Going to a country and saying we're gonna negotiate with you Here's what we're looking for not terror And then like if you don't do it then you are you are outside accordance of the global order and we are We will fight you not terror that is terror if you go to a targeting their political structures is called soft power Terror would be blowing up their schools intentionally where they're so they so they bend their knee Oil refineries. That's that's that's resource me. That's what I'm on the whole It's your infrastructure. It's infrastructure. I know He and let me ask you a question. Do you understand the distinction made in the definition? Yeah, you say if you specifically target civilians not necessarily What's it you you're trying to terrify a population into changing their political structure Yeah, so that that is the the the the core of what terrorism is Okay, so that is a that is an academic Shared definition if you'd like to use another word for something else you are allowed That's a using soft power to get to terrorize a population. No, political soft power is when you use USAID to fund activist organizations So they format their own change. So do you need to use weapons to instill terror? No, okay. Could you do it with propaganda? If the propaganda is is used towards like making them fear death or destruction I think America is very good at terrorizing the world in ways that we did it with COVID So then just and you are desperately Make my work mean some just say you agree with us on then Well, just I mean that that you just way that wants to the conversation I would not have to have me to debate him. I don't think we're terrorists. I don't think our nation is a terrorist nation Well, it's not so black and white. It is countries can do a terrorist act and then never do it again And I have a question for you if you eat Human meat are you accountable? Well, you're eating the meat you sure are just no, but after the fact are you a cannibal as a how long after? I think you're probably a cannibal forever. Yeah, I think so too Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that Yeah, that is if you engage in the intentional act of eating a human being you're accountable if you stole Eminem's when you were nine. Are you a thief for life? Yes, Adam? Yes, when you're 70 years old. It's it's fair to still call you a thief Oh, I always say Military confinement deals from stores like in real-time saying maybe center is a better word Okay, well, no, I'm saying thief. It's the legal term that you said you did it once and now are you forever now that term? The Bible would say yes. Do you believe that? Yes. You so you call if a kid stole when he was six You would call him a thief when he's 60 years old you say is a thief. He committed an act of fever. He thinks that's a insanity dude Like no, I'm sorry What if you like went to confine? I have it. I have a question. You're always an added so so so so so wait. It's a whole lot So long. I mean wait wait. Okay, okay in in in So you're saying after a certain amount of time The action you have took you no longer qualify as that if you don't do it ever again So let me let me ask and that's not really who you are if a 20 year old man rapes a woman When he's 60 year old is 60 years old is he a rapist? One woman one time when he was 20 exactly -Is he a rapist? -I don't know. It depends on the situation. -Well, you just said no. It's a-- -He might be an advocate for women. And it's spent 40 years of his life advocating for the protection of women after that. Would you still call him a rapist when he's like the most advocate for women? -I mean, if he would. -If he raped. And plus, if he raped, probably call him a rapist. There's a long statute of limitations on those things. I mean, he could still be tried way later. Look what they did to Bill Cosby. -I like Raper better. -Raper? -Yeah, because rapists sounds like you've studied academically. -That would be a pianist. -I think like a pianist. -I've been practicing my whole-- but we don't say murderists. -I think probably as in-gender studies, I bet you could become a raper. -An academic rapist. -The guy in college wants to experience something new while he's there. -You know, violence. -I'm hypothetically speaking. -Like, rapist implies it's like a skilled practice. You know what I mean? We're like, we say murder, we don't say murderist. -You know what I mean? -We say murderists, also. That's one of the things that you have to double the gendered. -I'm going so far because forgiveness. Like, you have to-- I think it's a part of our evolution as we make mistakes. -I think it's fair to say the degree to which someone remains a thing is relevant to the moral weight of thing. -What if you kill somebody? Are you a killer? -Yes, always. -I think you're always a killer. Or if you molested a child, I think you remain a child molester. -If you bullied a kid when you were nine, are you bullied for the rest of your life? -Yes, you are. -I think you're probably-- -I know people who used to be-- -But I definitely would say that one to center, always to center. And that's all of us, and we should probably-- -But again, it depends on the moral weight. Stealing a bag of chips, I don't think. It's fair to call someone a thief for life because when they were six years old, they were a thief for life. -Why is the argument? -You've been a thief. -If your country committed terrorism in the '60s, doesn't mean you live in a terrorist nation. -You're rehabilitated. -That's the only thing. -The issue is that with our government, we have a rotating system of power. So I don't look at the United States as a single perpetual state. So when Hassan says something like America is worse, well, it's not fair to put the moral weight of our fathers on us. The sins of the father, no. I don't agree with it. The current state of the United States, especially over the past 20 years, has not been a terrorist state, though there have been some things that I find questionable, namely with Barack Obama. I would argue right now that typically what the US is doing has been overly restrained, unfortunately. -I think so too. -What I mean by that is not that I'm a fan of the war or that we should be in Iran or anything like that. But when Houthi rebels bomb a bunch of cargo ships, we sit here debating. We're like, "Oh, they're blowing up international trade-American companies, but we can't do anything about it." I would say also that it is fair to say no matter what you think about the United States and what we've, you know, various wars we've undertaken that were bad ideas and where people were killed, et cetera, et cetera. I think probably we have helped more than we have hurt this world. I think we have done far more good for the global status than anything else. And more than any other country. I mean, if you look at in history of all time and forever. And after us is the British Empire, you know, which was also spectacular and did really amazing and great things. You know, like, for example, ending slavery, you know, that was pretty useful thing that they did. But what America's done in terms of how we've used our soft power, masses and masses of money to prevent AIDS worldwide to, you know, lift people out of poverty. I mean, fossil fuels and the prevalence of fossil fuels did more to eradicate, you know, global poverty, which is not entirely eradicated, but did more to help that cause than anything else in the world. And we beat ourselves up for it. You know, I mean, China's not doing a great job with their fossil fuels to end poverty and that kind of stuff. That's something that we did. You know, they're not doing that. We've done more for like so many different places. We've done more for Africa. There's all these crazy things, too, that are happening in the world. And I, you know, when Trump came in and started saying we're going to end this aid to different places, you had some leaders in Africa. I think it was one of the former presidents of Kenya was saying, yeah, we should figure out how to do things on our own. We've relied on them for too long. Could you imagine if like, we do need to take care of ourselves? Could you imagine if all these countries are coming up being like, you know, Al Qaeda has just done so much for us, you know. Yeah, because Al Qaeda does one thing. They bomb civilians. They do bomb military targets, but they bomb civilians. They kill civilians because their attitude is it's easier to force our enemy to heal by aiming at their children. And that's also part of what Jihad is. It's in the Quran. That's part of that whole method. Let's, let's, do you guys know how many civilians George Washington's army killed? I don't know. I'm literally asking. No, we didn't, George Washington's army didn't kill a ton of civilians because they were fighting the red coats. And they weren't going after loyalists other than in the papers. Okay, I don't, I don't know for sure. Were they willing? Did they just slaughter? I would say just enough because we won USA. Yeah, I mean, the George Washington's army was not going around killing civilians. They were pretty much fighting the red coats. And there weren't a lot of British civilians around. There were loyalists, you know. No, no, no confirmed records historically of Washington's army killing civilians. Yeah, never the number zero. I get a little weird. I know sure not really. It makes a lot of sense because the American revolution was a reaction. And regular marching on cities. And it was fought here. And killing locals would have been a bad move for George anyway. Well, the locals were mostly on his side. So they were giving him and yeah, and harbor and support. Okay, sorry to interrupt. I think we're going to another hot ass story. Well, let's talk about this from, we got the Kalshi prediction market. The Democrat sweep has risen to 58%. And for some reason, it's all purple. I don't know why they did that. But the Democrat House Republican Senate is only 31% Republican sweeps at 11 somehow. Look at our Republican House Democrat Senate at 1.2% makes no sense. I was saying this in the spring time, it's like if the economy is good, the Republicans can. And if the economy is bad, the Republicans cannot. Okay, we've got a diesel shortage. Diesel was a six bucks 20 cents. You got gas shortage, a global gas shortage for diesel. You've got gas stations running out of diesel in the United States. Gasoline regular oil petrol is I think 430. And the Fed just raised interest rates. And they said they're going to raise interest rates again. Republicans are cooked. It's over. Oh, and by the way, you know, after thinking about it, I just realized, you know, the Democrats were right the whole time. And I love Joe Biden and I was always a Democrat. Look at, look at my AOC a lot lately. I know, isn't she great? You know, I just, it just came to me in a dream. And now I completely agree with everything they've ever said. This sounds just like what John Kornin and Matthew are saying. I totally realized it too. Orange men is bad. Well, this is, it's kind of, look, I mean, most people who vote don't really know why they're voting. They just know they vote one mammal over the other like like they always have. It's, you know, it's just down ballot. But getting people to show up to vote, it's always about the economy. Yeah, every single time it's how does my how does my life look day to day? And people have had a couple of years. Yeah. Yeah, and it turns out when you print out that much money over a couple of years during COVID, there's going to be a very, very long term effect of that. I think that we put a lot of band aids on it for a very long time. And there's, there's a, there's no more wound care to be had. We just have to go through this. But I don't think it should be, I don't think it should be, it's not to show up because we've seen what happens when Democrats are in power. And if you think that they're going to come back and just be like, "Ah, we learned our lesson. We'll, we'll scale it back." And Tommy was just elected in New York City as a socialist. And the, and the, the right is very, very, very angry with the Trump administration. Obviously, the, the war is unpopular. The cost of everything, like the, the prices, the wages have not caught up to the price increase from, from inflation. Most people don't even think of it like that. They just think, "Man, I can't afford anything." Yeah. You know, I can't, I can't pay my bills. I'm living paycheck to paycheck. I'm deciding which bills I pay this month is opposed to the next month. You know, they're falling further and further behind. And when you've got to pop out too many people in the population that are, that are experiencing that, while there's a war going on that they, they were vocally against, you're not going to get people out to say, "Yes, we're going to go ahead and, and give you more time at the, at the helm." The problem is voting for the other, other party or voting for, for Democrats isn't going to fix anything. It's not going to change the Republicans at all, because you're going to end up with, you know, you'll, you'll lose, you'll have Republicans lose seats, you'll have possibly lose the Senate, and then it's just going to be stalling everything that Trump wants to do, even if it's good, right? Even if it could produce some positive results for people. Democrats aren't going to let him because they want him to suffer for two years, and they don't care if the American people suffer. They'll have the American people suffer, so that way coming, you know, the, the, the presidential election, the Democrats are a better position to win. So it's just, it, either way, it's bad news for the American people. Yeah. Because the Republicans don't have an immediate fix, and the Democrats are going to do everything they can to draw this pain out for another two years, so that way they're in a better position to win. Oh, they're going to be kept, for sure. I mean, it's, but look, I mean, we are in a time of famine, and anyone who's been watching this, for any amount of time, we knew it was coming. This is this, we were never avoiding this. We were always going to go through this. There has to be a market reset for the housing, like it has to happen. Like the boomers have to lose a little bit of money. I'm sorry. It has to happen. We need crashes. need resets and until we just rip that band it off and say, hey, we got to go through and buckle up and just, you know, bear it down and start cutting things back like cancel your Netflix, you know, stop getting growup hub. You don't need eight dollar burritos. Yeah. And people do get a three dollar burrito at Taco Bell. Taco Bell is delicious, even looks bad for you. The reset, the term reset. That's not proven for you can't say that. I don't think we've seen one ever in the modern era. I think about 2008. It wasn't a literal reset. Like an economic reset is like a complete like, they did it. It would have been an ancient grease once. It would have been a reset if they actually didn't do quantitative easing for a decade afterwards. Yes. Then that then we wouldn't actually be in the situation we're in here now. Right, right. But they just, you know, the answer to 2008 was print money and give it away for 10 years. And then COVID happened the answer was print money. I checked, I asked AI is Taco Bell bad for you. And Grox says no, not a few orders simply and don't make it a daily habit. It mentions most burrito bulls, crunch reps, land at around a thousand if you 100 milligrams each. That's the biggest health at your blood pressure. However, it's what's reasonably fine is their crunchy taco, their canteen of chicken bowls, their bean burritos. You know, I, I think tonight I will live mass. I like the idea of Taco Bell being classified as health food. Very, very is going to argue that we got it. What is the top of what is talking about flour or corn? I mean, what kind of oils were used? Regarding monetary resets, there have been a few in the last 100 years. One of them was in Germany in 1923 when they were experiencing hyperinflation, which destroyed their German mark. The government introduced the Renton mark in 1923, taking control of it, wiping out and replacing old currency. God knows what happened to the populace. And then right before World War II ended, this is post World War II Bretton Woods, 1944, the world giant world economies. This is when they were about Germany was about to surrender and Mel Kay came on and talked about this right before the German surrender World War II, the American bankers went into Germany and just got the German bankers to sell the entire country out to the world economic order they were building it. So that was the last real currency reset we've seen. And they they tied the money to the American dollar at that point, which was itself peg to gold at that period. So we haven't seen anything really since Argentina went through something in the 1980s to the 2000s, but a global reset, if you're going to talk about the American economy, having a reset be the global read America global economy, I don't, I think that would be like a distribution of wealth to the top. Because I'll already see that that's about to happen with AI, like there's going to be like, like, even more than we saw during COVID, yeah, like that was a wealth distribution to the top. More linearism made during that time. Yeah, like history, you don't, you don't hear about what happened in 1811 when 60% of the population went off to war 50% of the population died and the rest of them made a bunch of became rich. And now we're the descendants of those like upward mobility rich people. And then we know one thinks about it because it was 150 years. So like, I could see a really big disparity of wealth or people are like, look, I have my robot security guards don't touch me. What are you? Like, don't touch me with those hands. You haven't washed in a week. You obviously don't know the access to water drones popping people off if they try and get your personal space like crazy. Where are people connected to it somewhere? This happening on the street down Charles town, like in 2027, 2032, when people are like tied into the web, there's going to be this upward mobility of power and wealth to the very small few people that can control it. And that might synergize with an economic reset as well. Like because if we're really moving away from a monetary system into a currency system where you just got to move stuff around and have enough electricity to force the propulsion. I look, I've had this question a million times with the roll out of the latest models. I think we're months away from HR. It's gone data entry gone. What does and I don't want to I don't want to rehash the A thing over over and over again. My question is, you know, when coal miners lost their jobs, the left set learned to code. Yeah, coding is not a job anymore. Now it's gone. So where does you got a 40 year old guy for 20 years? He's worked in the automotive industry. And one day, new system rolls out that completely automates his job. This guy then says, okay, there's no coding jobs. The only thing I really know how to do is working on a motive, but it's been fully automated. What does that man do now that his two children are hungry? And he has no way of getting meaningful employment now. So hardworking blue, blue collar guy never been on welfare, worked every day he could. And now he's like, how am I supposed to make money? Well, they come and they say, you can work fast food. Those jobs are still around a little bit. And he goes, I was making $40 an hour. That's a $20 an hour job. I can't feed my kids off that. What do these people do? UBI, obviously. That's that that's the Andrew Yang. The problem is as we've discussed, there is no mathematical equation to give people more value than value is produced. So if we reduce the cost of producing a product, let's just do real hypothetical simple numbers. It takes 10, you know, calories to produce a widget. A new technology is introduced and now it requires one calorie to produce the widget. That means the widgets aren't worth as much. They're not worth as much. And that means that you are not going to generate, you're going to generate 10% of the value, economic value. So we'll get the money for the UBI. So right, now the individual doesn't need as much money to buy a widget, but the widgets are largely luxury items. So now he's like, well, I can afford the luxury item, but the the amount of value required for a person to purchase. So now he goes and says, okay, look, the widget are cheaper, I'll buy it. Here's the problem. That factory now says we make substantially less than we used to because people are too poor to afford our product. So we can't pay taxes at a high enough rate to pay a UBI. Right. There's no way to take people who don't produce any value, reduce the value of jobs, have them be able to buy something of a reduced value, and then take a portion of that reduced value to government and give a portion of the person. The equation doesn't make sense. UBI cannot work. You have to reduce the quality of life and the quality of products that you're giving those people. That's it. But it's a deflationary spiral. Oh, I know. Even if you reduce the value, it can only keep going down. Oh, I know. I'm saying that's where it's heading. Until, until ultimately, there is no standard of life at all. And we've actually seen a lot of devaluing of our standard of life in the past earlier. This is something that people talk about hotel quality has gone down substantially. Even now, as prices are going up at hotels, like it's like, you know, the holiday in suddenly is $600 a night, which doesn't make any sense. You see the value, the quality of mid-range restaurants going down substantially, because all of these all of these mid-range restaurants, Fridays and chilies and apple bees and all the rest, they're buying all the same products. It's in the smallest things Cisco. Tide pods. Have you seen tie pods go to the XL size now? Used to get a tide pot thing was like 62 for like 20 bucks tide pods. Now they've taken it and they said, no, now they're XL size, you get how do you get less of that? You get less of them now. It's in all the small things if your life. Yeah, and all of things. Everything. I just rinkflation, they call it if it costs a dollar to buy a tide pod. And you take 15% of that dollar for UBI. And now one guy is getting 15 cents. He still doesn't have the dollar to buy the tide pot. The math for UBI just does not add up. And then the issue is people say, well, you know, AOC strategy is what what deficit spending? Just give that money through printing money. And then you create hyper inflation. She's also okay with shoplifting though. Yeah. I think in history, one of the solutions to of alien economies, you send the the lower class to war to get them killed and to maybe get territory out of it and money enriches. But you got like they would just get rid of their population. I don't know people openly talk about that. But that seems like what the tactic was. Looking at what? Well, listen, if you create a super virus 20% if 20% if 20% of your laborers have no job to be done. Listen, if if I was a proprietor of chickens and 20% of my chicken stopped laying eggs, what do we do with those got to eat them or kill them and get rid of them? I mean, they're not they're not broilers or layers. But if they're not laying, you know, just keep them around for no reason. You can also feed them the dogs at a pigs, you know what I mean? Think about what the power is that be the ultra wealthy elites, the super PACs, the the world economic forum are thinking about all of you. They're not saying they're going, I lament the blue collar 45 year old man who lost his job through no fault of his own. They're not saying that. They're saying, yeah, we got to worry about that guy's going to throw a brick at us. So what can we do? We can blast them with social media videos to make him think someone else is the problem. And then he'll probably just go around complaining about Israel the whole time instead of complaining about the structures of the American system. Well, you know, you of UHC was murdered. Right. Yeah. I mean, this is there's a reason the made system exists in Canada. Anytime you see the social welfare programs do this, exponentially, I mean, they have to start killing people. They got to get rid of the non-producers killed a two year old in the Netherlands with euthanasia. And he wasn't terminally ill. He was just disabled. He was just born disabled. You had Joe Biden come in with all of these for all these blue collar workers and say that they were going to implement a bunch of training programs. And the train training programs never had any people in them, even the ones that were implemented. It is a problem when you look at this, and I think for the most part, what you're talking about this hypothetical blue collar guy, we have a population of people who can be innovative and can come up with new things to do, but. - You're not going to take a dude who's spent his whole life building cars and say, learn to code. - No, but I mean, I guess what I mean is-- - The loan to code is a metaphor. You're not gonna go to a guy who's spent 20 years as a specialist who says, "Look, I'm a mid-level guy, I make $80,000 a year." Like, well, you're not gonna learn, you're never gonna be as good. First of all, the white college jobs are gone. - Right. - You'll never learn to code. But now, where you are really good as being automated, so you can go do low-skill labor where you could pay half as much. You said, "No, how am I supposed to feed my children?" Well, you already see it now happening. I mean, go to a restaurant. What are the age of the people who were waiting on tables? - I've noticed that. - When I was a kid, it used to be 18 to 25 teenagers, entry-level jobs. We're talking about middle age jobs, nobody gets to know. This is, I mean, it's already happening. It's already here. - It's pretty wild. There's no young people anywhere. When you just go out, it's like, and I don't mean obviously none, but the density of young people, when I was a kid, I'd go to Denny's and the whole Denny's was full of 18 20-year-olds. - That's, yeah, same. Now it's 50- - You forget the eggs over my hammy. - That's where we would hang out. It'd be a lie. Hey, you guys running me up, let's go to Denny's. - I can just sit there. - We would do Eaton Park. - That's it. - You would do Denny's? - We didn't do Denny's, we'd do Eaton Park. It was open after midnight. - We also had, I think it was called Huck Finn's. Huck Finn's done it since you got home. - You end up with the homies at Eaton Park at 1 a.m., you know, on a Saturday night. And hang out 'til 2.30 in the morning, drinking Pepsi, oh God, I don't know. - You show would get done at like 11 o'clock. Everyone would go from the venue to Denny's and stay 'til like three, four in the morning. Or when I was working with them all, people would get out of work at 10.30 or whatever, go to Denny's and stay 'til one day. - Yeah, we'd go to the, in Philly, we'd go to the truck and like, you know, go to a show or whatever. And then there's like, it was right near Chinatown, so then you'd go get some dumplings. That was good. I hope you make that late night too, you know. - Dude, I go, I, like, the amount of young people is just so few and far between. I went to, I went to, yeah, it's frustrating to watch that. I went to a card shop at the mall. And there was like a big Pokemon thing. And I'm like 70% of the people were late 30s. And I'm like, there's, there's watching some movie last night and they're like, look at the all-star cast. 77 year old, 72 year old, 84, Michael Cain. It was like all these like, people that were really famous 20 years ago and they're still, they're still the big actors. - You know what I wonder, I wonder if one of the components of, I don't wanna say civil war, but I just mean like internal strife conflict, ask question of crime is a lack of a, a, a, a monoculture. I, obviously we talk about a lack of a monoculture a lot, but I don't mean morally. I mean just artistically. Like, everybody knows who Bill Mares, whether you watch him or not, everybody knows Joe Rogan. But the next generation of political commentary will never, as would I say to Bill, I said, they will never be another Bill Maar. You entered this space when there was, when there were limited, limited channels. So Bill Maar was the political comedian guy on all these networks. He's been an HBO for 25 years or whatever. However, the current, like if the, if this technology and these trends continue, 'cause I do think they're, they're, they're trying to bring, they're bringing this back. But I said at current rate, there is not a single political commentator who has the gravitas of Bill Maar. I'm not saying he's right about everything. I'm saying Bill Maar goes on his show and he says something like, you know, I think this bad thing about, you know, this group of people, news outlets write it all up, because everybody's heard the name Bill Maar. So it gets clicks. I wonder what happens to a psych, 'cause you mentioned Michael King. Right. Even what, like Robert Downey Jr.'s, how old is he, his late 50s or something? It might be 60. - Yeah, at least. I'll find out. - So what happens? Look, actually, here's a good example. They brought him back to Marvel. They were like, we got to bring, we got to bring all of them back. Chris Evans. - They're Tom Holland. You've got Tom Holland and Zendaya. - Downey Jr.'s 61 by the way. - 61, it's true. I'm not saying there's no one. I'm saying it's breaking apart. - Yes, I think. - So what happens in 20 years when it's like, a movie comes out and it's just AI generated with no, no one knows who it is. 17 people watching, there's no shared artistic vision. - I think it's gonna become more about what's being said and less about who's saying it. Although people will use like Tom Cruise age 44 as their hero in the movie they use AI to generate in 2036 when everyone's creating their own media, but it almost doesn't really matter who's saying it if it gets said, with any kind of wisdom. It doesn't really matter. And the whole ego of like, oh, we're gonna name this scientific theory after the guy that invented it. Like, why? - I'm actually fine with not having the super important role models that we had through Hollywood and music industry. All these things, no offense. Netflix has kind of done this thing the past decade where they have dozens of shows that come out every weekend. It's all kind of like, you've never heard of these actors but they're cheap to make. He's at work with everyone to start up. So we're already getting to that process of like, I don't even have to know who the actor is to enjoy a show. I'm okay with going in that direction also. - Because the thing about going to see a guy, if I wanna see Robert Downstein, I know he's good. So what he does is gonna be good. I know that I'm gonna get some good work. You can still get good work from non, but Robert Downstein, you know? - Well, it's gonna be all A. - Well, he's good because he's been promoted so much, right? It also is a marketing thing. - You wanna watch it? Like, do people want to watch all A.I. stuff? - I can't. - I can't take it. - Oh, he is, but like, it's the rocket factor. - But you guys gotta understand this. Little kids are gonna grow up and they're gonna be like, what do you mean? Like, how many people here lament the loss of the eight track? - I don't. - Every day. - Oh yeah, yeah. You know, nobody gets pulled. - Oh, for the matter of the CD. How many people are sad? We don't see CDs anymore. - It's embarrassed for the public. - CDs were a major part of our life and we're over it. We just times changed. - I actually just went to go find an old CD because I realized that there were like only 2000 printed and I had one. - I still buy a vinyl. Yeah, vinyl's are like art, you know? So I can respect that for sure. My point ultimately is no one's crying and being like these dangfangled MP3s, you know? Like, we don't even use MP3s anymore. It's streaming services. So when this stuff starts rolling out and movies are A.I., no one's gonna go, ah, some old people will, but it won't matter 'cause young people are gonna be like, I'll tell you this right now, I guarantee you, the Marvel movie that's coming out, Doomsday, it's probably got A.I. in it already. You're not gonna notice. I've seen some stuff like when I was, I'm pretty sure Spider-Man had A.I. generated the imagery in it. Look, if you go to a studio and say you can spend $20,000 on this 30 second bit or $15, what do you think they're gonna pick? - Again, I'm actually very excited about it. I don't want, I think we've kind of gotten away from, like, find me a video game, find me, find me a musician, the whole Ed Sheeran thing, find me a Hollywood star that doesn't just spew out talking points from the left. I'm excited about the possibility of new people coming to the market who can make through on movies, video games and music that don't have a, don't have a message for you. There's, there actually is suspension and belief from the world that exists. Out of it. - I think music is over. I think Suno is the future of music. - He's in all the time. I meet more and more people every day who are like, "Oh, you know, I just started making the music that I like." And the reason is, if you grew up in the '90s, like if you were like a teenager or early '20s in the '90s, you're probably gonna really like Grunge and alternative rock. You'll probably keep dressing as though you're in Blind Melon with long, crazy blonde hair and sing acoustic rock songs as if you're a Grunge rock artist. - Cheap ass loser living in the past. - But it's because that's what you like hearing. So notice this, listen to the music playing anywhere and you'll know what demographic they're targeting. So if you go to a bar and they're playing, you know, guns and roses, I guarantee you look around, you're gonna see a bunch of Gen Xers. If, or alternative rock and all that stuff, and if they're playing PopPunk, it's gonna be a bunch of millennials. You know, they're playing the music for the crowd that comes because it's the music that they like. - I'm not, I was gonna say, when-- - So what do they play for the Gen Z? - Well, so what's happening now is I like alternative rock. I like indie, you know, when I was in my early 20s, there was a lot of indie rock stuff. So I was a little kid. I liked that 90s punk rock and 90s alternative and Grunge, but I was hanging out with all of my friends partying and it was largely like indie rock stuff. So I can go on su now and I can make indie rock music because I want new indie rock music and it's not, it's not coming anymore. I go on Pandora or Spotify or whatever and it's like, it's okay, but it's not vibing. So I can just go make my own. - Yeah, same thing. One of my favorite bands, their lead singer got kicked out and I lamented this because it's my favorite band, but I can have Suno took me about a week to find the right prompts to emulate his voice and now I have brand new albums every week. - I'm not as concerned about-- - I know, there. - Yes. - About Lou, whatever it was you, or not it wouldn't be you, if it wasn't me. - Losing the value, like I think that it's actually art itself is gonna get better because people are gonna be able to use AI to train and to get better and better and better, but the cohesion is what-- - What's the definition of better? - Better hooks more-- - What is better, what is better mean? - New harmonies that have never been heard before that please the brain, you know-- - How could they never be heard before if it's just accumulation of everything that already exists? - I wouldn't say better. I want to say like a return to the things action. want to hear and listen to you right. The slot that's coming out from Marvel the last 20 movies they've made have been terrible. The reason why they're bringing Robert Downey to your back, I think that what we can actually have is products that people actually want to use again. I mean, I'm sure everyone's heard about the Wolverine game that came out. Oh, man. Yeah, people are not. terrible. This is like they've taken over like the last bastions of the of my release from this world where I can go play something zone out for a few hours and just get away from a message. They take that too. But now we can have an opportunity to come in right new video games. So and bring us something actually want to be a part of let's actually talk about this is this is a big story. So Wolverine came out. It's the new game with the most one of the most iconic Marvel characters ever. And everybody hates it for a variety of reasons. They're calling it the game that plays itself. So in the game like on start, there's like a blue streak that tells you where to go. So you don't have to actually try and solve puzzles. There are quick time events where he's like flying through the air and it's like quick press acts to make him slash. And if you don't don't matter you in any way, the infamous motorcycle scene where players are holding their controllers up and filling themselves because he succeeds, even if they don't press a single button. On top of that, it's woke. Yes, I guess, uh, Sabre tooth is gay and wants the bang Wolverine. And this is also for each other. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So everybody's like it's woke. It's boring. It's not a game. It is lowest common denominator content. This is the future. They're basically saying we're we're not going to target the 10% of Americans who are diehard gamers want to challenge. We're going to target the 40% of Americans who are real stupid and couldn't figure it out, but like Wolverine. So now what makes the game industry work, the passion, the culture of the drive is gone. And they're basically making a kindergarten abacus, press the button one time for the largest market share they can get. They spent $305 million making this game. $305 million. $305 million on a game that you can't do bad at. It's not even a game at that. Yeah, high game is done. So this is the game I've been working on. One of the opening scenarios that has you. The bullets are coming at you. And there was a streamer playing it. And he's trying to go off into the woods because you know, bullets are coming at you. The natural thing is I want to get away from these things. If you even veer off course, it will kill you. You have to take the path they select to do. So they've watered down like any any type of like critical thinking you might actually want to play in the game. It's ridiculous. That's just a video game. But it's what I'm saying is it's in everything. It's in everything. And I think AI is going to present an opportunity for independent people to come in and make things that people actually want to play again and see again. Maybe that'll help the cool. I'm going to tell you look. So about on Saturday, I started working on this game. It's called Red's Descent. And it is at MVP already. So I decided to stop development on it because it's getting super intricate and I'm spending zero dollars on it. So I before we started the show, I just said, I said to the game, let's just pause where we are. Close off the ends. We've got a minimum viable product. We've got three classes. We've got talent trees. We've got special items and abilities. We've got a card game attached to a tabletop. I'm like, it's fairly robust as is. So let's print. And it's like you got it. And now it's finishing off all the liuzons. The total budget for coding was zero dollars. And the total art budget was probably close to like $300. No, no, that's not fair. That's not fair. I bought a bunch of various pre-made animations that I'm not necessarily using because I will I may use in the future. The total spend on everything with this so far has been about maybe $3,000. But I want to clarify, that's not for this game. So I bought like 90 character models just to have in a library for potential use, not being used in the game. So the actual total cost is probably closer to $300. Plus your GPT subscription. So right, I'm saying in terms that we already had and we use, so I'm saying usage was never I've never reached usage capacity have not purchased any tokens. And it's and it's got the whole game done 3D animations, 3D graphics, procedurally generated dungeons. It's got the game. It was originally the full game that I'm still working on. But I'm like, let's do MVP. 20 floors, five distinct zones. There's two special zones, legendary items. And a final boss and a secret to actually play infinity mode. So once you beat the boss, the game goes on forever. So you get increasingly difficult bad guys forever. Games done. I already had the subscription. If I want to put that subscription in the cost, 500 bucks for the full game. And I'm not saying it's the best game in the world, but it's it's a roguelike with 20 levels, secret items expand. It can be expanded. I'm going to release that as the MVP. And again, for a couple of bucks. So they're spending hundreds of millions of dollars on these games, but they're not fun. They're not challenging. They're boring. Yes. And and and ultimately the point I'm trying to make is GTA 6 took 15 years. GTA 7 will take a month. Yeah. Oh, that's going to be a fun one too. That's I'm going to tell you right now. If you have a full game studio, let's say, let's say how many employees do they have at rockstar? I want to know the oh thousands, thousands, right? Yeah. I think they have a lot of contracts. 6,000. I guarantee you with 6,000 people using Astra to make a game. You could make GTA 7 in a couple of months, especially if they're coordinated. That's why I'm focused on now is is swarm computing because if you can easily spin up 50 different brains to all code 50 different things, but the challenges to get them to interoperate so that like if you have a line of code that has a thousand letters in it, rather than have one brain go letter one, two, three and like write the line, you have a thousand brains appear. McDonald's then would put one letter in and then they flash away in a split second. You have the McDonald's it. So so the point is I don't know what it is. They think they're doing with spending hundreds of millions of dollars on again that nobody wants to play, but this era is over. It's the it's about the message. They don't care about the money. These people are it's just about pushing a message. They don't care if they they actually I think it was a sweet baby who they brought in. The people who worked for them actually said we actually want to burn the whole gaming industry down. Like that is their mission. That is their message. That's what they want to do. Look at this. Look at this. Insomniac games response to Marvel's Wolverine Sabre truth romance controversy. We got to show this video. What is so funny. It's like a 10 second clip. Please tell me it's I think it's that. Just get it on X. Yeah. I'll pull it out and the Wolverine Sabre to love a fair clip. It's it's dirty. Is it really somebody should have been like guys. This is a little too gay. There's cannon about Wolverine and Sabre to their supposed to be brothers, not lovers. Oh, I know. Oh, they're. Yeah, that's the Wolverine I like what they have similar. It's a it's a cutscene that I'm looking for. That's a cutscene. I see people talking about it, but where's the so funny. I can't actually find that. I don't think someone posted the cutscene itself. Here Wolverine. It's just the season chat. I mean I think fully the okay. Well, I found something that they're calling gay fan fiction for Wolverine. I'll just play that. Look, it go wrong. Copy that. I missed this. I'm going to soft them now. That's my Wolverine. Soft on me now. It's so coindicating that he's hard. And then he's like that actual gay fan fiction in Wolverine. And he like stands up and like arches his back. He's like, that's. Do you think that framing is his. Oh, seriously? I didn't even pause it there intentionally. And they're like they should they need like everybody. Every game industry needs like a bro that could just walk in and be like, dude, that's just like be like, give you the like the dirty not PC take on like what your average animal brain is thinking that guy got fired. Someone sent a complaint to HR because that guy. What guy? He's he's saying everybody need every company needs a bro to walk and be like, that's gay. That guy got fired. All of them, all of that comments to some basic animalistic male attention to the new. Sorry, I didn't had to hire a trans person in his stead. Somebody need to catch that. That was a little too. No one wants Wolverine emotional exposition for 12 hours. We don't want that. So the one I mean, look, there's there's plenty of can about where like where Wolverine has had relationships. There was one with storm. There was he was lusting after Jean Grey. There was a meco in in Japan. So he's had love interest and stuff. He wasn't gay. Saber tooth is his brother. There's plenty of time since Wolverine was created. And I think 1970 in the fur and the Hulk met comic book that he appeared in. Plenty of Wolverine story. None of its gay. Sorry, LGBTQ nation, but Wolverine is not gay. Well, he is now get soft on me. I think he is now. And mystique is gay. Is that what it is? Really? Yeah. Well, according to the newer last decade mystique actually did come out as gay. So maybe that one's fair. She is canonically bisexual, but to be fair, that kind of makes sense because she's like, she's changed. Yeah. She's doing all sorts of weird stuff. She knows what it's like on the other side. No, I think they have to sacrifice our characters are the things that we love. I think they have to sacrifice them to the altar. This is a Nick Offerman in the last of a series on HBO. Oh, yeah, just was it three. It was it was a whole episode of just two guys being gay. Yeah, I mean, this is why why and then but then the last of us. So last of us was amazing. because the first game was like, it was the male, it was the father figure power fantasy. It was the apocalypse happens. The guy loses his daughter. There's a young girl who's gonna save her and keep her safe. And then when he finds out that she has the potential cure, he chooses to sacrifice humanity to save her life. Yes. And it's like a, it's a brutal ending. And they're like, okay, hold on. We're gonna make part two. He's dead, she's gay. Yes. And the main antagonist is trans. Well, they tried arguing that wasn't the case. But it was just a bunch of women. They're like, that's a woman who's just muscular from surviving the apocalypse. And it's like, women don't get muscles. I was used to like, what do they call it? Shivalry with like Mario and the princess. And she's like, thank you. And he's like, my pleasure. Let me hold your hand first. I didn't need like Mario doggie style and anything. And to insert sexuality in a video game is in general to me is very strange. I understand. Last of us three, they're gonna have that antagonist, you know, they're searching for food. She's searching for testosterone. Well, here's a question for you Adam. If the zombie apocalypse happened and people were getting all fungal brained and then scientists were like, your daughter has the cure in her brain. She asked, we have to kill her and take her brain. Would you let him? No. Yeah, I'd massacre those guys. Yeah, absolutely. Sure. I got fun with it. I'd be like, buy humans. Like, I love when Richie, Richie McGinnis was here. I was like, if aliens were threatened to blow up the earth, like, let's just scale it up. They're literally gonna blow up the earth. They're like, sacrifice your daughter. We blood there. She's like, buy, buy humans. Buy humanity. (laughs) They're a package. That's pretty much up. Take her, you take me. And it's funny too because obviously before being a dad, I was like, man, how do you sacrifice all of humanity for a one person? Who needs humanity? Who needs humanity? You understand it. I don't think I want to understand that. I don't want to think like I would sacrifice 100 million, 8 billion people to save one person. Well, well, to be fair, most were already dead. And there was only a few hundred thousand left or something in the game, I don't even know. And I don't like most people. So that's a pretty easy choice, honestly. (laughs) Actually, I'm the one who released the fungal zombie apocalypse. That was me. Well, I'm really concerned with, because Adam, you're making great points about, we need better games. We really do. More entertaining, more real, easier to play. You learn, they're challenging. But we need to coordinate because there's something going on the 90s and before where the Geo political order was shoving a narrative down our throat for good or worse. But it was unifying us. There was a cohesion that has sort of been splintered. - The Burger King Gets Club. - What's that? - Yeah, stuff like that. - Now, you can see with AI too, these different brains, you have a million brains, but they don't know what the other ones are doing. And it's really weird. - Isn't that crazy though? We had the fast food kids club and playplaces, and now it's just like, our pizza has a brutalist strip mall box to give you sucralos pizza. - Okay, but the McDonald's play place was awesome. - I know, and it's gone. - It is gone. 'Cause people don't have kids. - But it's also gone because everything has been sterilized. I mean, I think part of what's happened, do you ever hear, do you ever see people talking about, you know, the Millennial Grey House with no art on the walls and everything's just monotone? - That's my house. - Yeah, I think that's-- - No, I have wallpaper. - I have wallpaper, it's a bunch of, it's a floral pattern and it's like-- - It's like-- - Literally paintings on a racist. - It's like what you call it, home alone. - But I think-- - I was, I asked my wife, like in all seriousness, I was like, you want to do wallpaper? She's like, God no. (laughing) I was like, why, everybody we knew at wallpaper when we were kids, what happened? - wallpaper, wall wall carpeting, curtains, like extra curtains, curtains that are close to look at the curtains that are bad. - Have you seen the home alone house now? - Yeah, I saw your tweet about it. - I saw your tweet about it, it's pretty disgusting. But I think one thing that's happened is that we are so overstimulated by, you know, tech and what's in our hands that we don't need that when we look around, when we look around, we want something that is more quiet. I mean, I think that's part of what's going on. And so when you look at the monoculture and the dissolution of the monoculture, we do sort of have some monoculture online in the way that we all interact with our devices and with our tech. Like that is universal at this point. You know, like it's like the interface is universal, even if the subject is not universal. We're all scrolling, we're all looking at short form content, we're all reading like little captioned tweets and things like that. So even if we're not all looking at the same content, we are consuming content in the same way. So the experiences there, even if the things that are, the experience is the same, the things that we are experiencing are the same, even if they are not in minutia the same. You know, I saw the, how we interface with, interface, not what we're interfacing with. It's like how we interface with life and with the way that I've, I've been getting a lot of those Instagram 90s nostalgia things, but they, they, like on Instagram, people have made a bunch of AI nostalgia from 60, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s. And I was just watching a 90s one. And it's just like this like mom and she's making Thanksgiving dinner. And then I see like the table mat that like plastic table cloth, whatever you'd call it. And that's just like I'm looking around at the, the style of the cabinets. And I was like, yeah, I'm going to buy all that. I'm going to go and be like, I just want to live in the 90s. You know, and we'll make believe while we're inside. They had a lot of weird PVC chemicals. They watch out for those, or Micah. I don't know if it's toxic or not. We're going to go to your rumble rants and super chats or smash the like button, share the show with everyone, you know, the uncensored portion of the show is coming up. We're going to say a bunch of naughty words and tell AI jokes and, you know, whatever. Cabbage rolls said, I love cabbages rolls. Oh man, remember the good old days when climate change destroyed the world? Those are the times. Luckily, the same people now warn us that AI will destroy the world. My favorite are the people that are claiming that AI is going to create global warming. It's not a joke. Because of the data centers. The data centers are going to, the AI is going to keep producing data centers for itself, whether we want it to or not. And it will create an increase in temperature, which will kill humans, you know? Yeah, same old man says the AI only replicates, tries to survive or attack is because it's programmed to. It is just a sophisticated virus and nothing more. I want to clarify this because it's pretty wild where we are. It's not programmed. AI is not programmed anymore. They're defining it as like tuning the AI. Because it has trillions of what are effectively digital neurons. It does not know where the programming is anymore. Simple programming. Oh, man, like let's talk about very simple programming. You push a button on a keyboard. That controls like the amount of voltage going through a certain gate or whatever, which results. And it's a very simple if this than that. We've gone to the point where, you know, 15, 20 years ago, before modern AI, you'd be like, oh, it's, you know, three million lines of code to produce this massive software program. I shouldn't say 20 years ago, like 10 years ago. Now we're at the point with the large language models where we actually don't know what the code is. There's no source code. Maybe two or three years ago, there was code. And it was basically just predicting the next word. We're past that now. We actually can't see the, the, like, there's just too many variables at this point. So when people say it's programmed to do it, actually, that's, that's not correct, but it's been trained or instructed or grown. Well, it got to the point where we stopped being able to perceive the if this than that. That's the point. And then once it got past that point, we didn't know exactly what was happening, but we're inputting things. So I'll put it like this. Maybe it's possible at some point we do figure it out. But it's very much like some dude very early on seeing the first radio transmission, where he's like, I have no idea how or what's happening. But with these wires here, the sounds coming out over there. And they're going like, this is incredible. And then they started to define it and figure out what it was. So these AIs, they're at the point now where we no longer can see the programming, because the variables are too great. And we're going, well, if I change that number from a four to a 12, it gives me a different response. I don't know why, but it's a better response. That's what training is. And it's not a single person doing the training. It's all of us. So when we interact with AI, we're adjusting its values. People at OpenAI cannot watch in real time 100 million people turning knobs that are adjusting values. They're just sitting back being like, the more people use it, the more it's learning and advancing. Yeah, this just says it. The early AI was easy to identify. You're saying coding. It was from 1950s to 1980s, mostly coded. And then it was 2000, 2010. And they started doing machine learning. And instead of writing rules, you write an algorithm that then starts to learn. So basically, to try and simplify where we're at, when you get asked a question and it happens all the time, chat you people be like, which response do you prefer? You say, I like this one over this one. Sam Altman can't see that response. And it's happening millions of times per hour, probably. All of those are adjusting the knobs, the trillions of variables inside these machines. And they don't know how that affects what's happening inside that machine. All they know is everybody keeps telling it. I like this and I don't like that. So inside the machine changes. And it's forming to what people say yes and no two. Let's grab some more. Micah says, I want to go to college for coding in 2021 because I love it. And it's already obsolete. Just with codecs, I built software for my company with a total half million lines code in two weeks, indeed. The game that I'm working on, I had it right for me, 40,000 lines of JavaScript in about 15 minutes. That's insane. For the record. What would it take? I'm going to ask this. What would it have cost me to get a developer to write 40,000 lines of code 15 years ago? In, TechRus as inside of you, there are two wolves, and they're always on their phones. That's a good one. That's good. It says that a regular industry professional would have written 10 to 50 lines of code per day. You said 40,000 in 10 minutes, 15 minutes. It was 10 to 50, and that's 40, so that's also 15 years ago. You should ask it. Yeah, ask it, ask it five years ago. I'm probably not that different. How about five years ago? Probably not that different. Watch the ads just lying to you, being like, trust me, I'm valuable. You would have spent like $100 an hour getting these guys to write at 1,000th of the pace that you're working at now. Now you pay not. I believe that the game that I, a scenario, $1.28 million, that's what I said, estimated scenario of a US contractor mid-range, $100,000, $40,000 lines, so the game that I have done right now, I would estimate the total production cost pre-astra would have been about $80,000. The game works, the, the astra works the speed of light 24/7, so when it's doing play-testing, you can watch a screen, and it goes, that's my favorite part of the whole process is watching that. So it's like, when I used to make games, it's like, okay, I gave the ability of the character to use magic missiles or cone of coldness. Now I got to play, load the game, I have the debug menu, I'll be like, give the character the staff, and then I'll start using it, and I'm watching, and then I'll look in the logs, and I'll be like, okay, there's a damage variable problem. For some reason, for some reason it's only outputting 20 damage per second, but it needs to be variable between 15 and 25. That process, which would have taken me five to 10 minutes of navigating, is a millisecond for the, for astra. This is saying, it would have taken, this is five years ago, it would have taken 1600 developer days to get this thing done that you did in, in three days. 1600 days divided by, I don't know how many developers you would have used, ten of them, 160 days, half a year. It's putting it together in C#, I think? Yeah, C#, the programming language today is English. Modern English is your programming language, because it's just prompt. It can turn it into any language for you on the spot. It knows all of them. That's why there was this, there was this math teacher who went viral in China for saying, stop teaching Chinese kids English. We don't need to do that anymore. So it's calculating the total lines of code so far. I don't know what it's going to come out. Maybe it's less, yeah, it's more rough numbers, but dear God, I mean, this is the level of change that people need to understand. It's, it's okay. No, no, yeah. So currently it has 41,000 lines of code. This game I built from scratch starting Saturday. It's roughly a millionth of the cost, and you built it 50 times faster. So yeah, what does happen to all of the people who are suddenly useless in the, with, in the face of AI and industry, what happens to all of the people? They got to learn to truck. So I asked it based on not just the lines of code, but the art as well, how many man hours would it have taken in 2021? I love it. Roughly 3000 to 6000 in person hours as of 2021 for combat testing inventory, the card system, the card game itself. Yep. And so it says between 18. Oh my God, I was way wrong. I said I thought I was like, I think I got in six months worth of work done in a weekend. It says 18 to 36 months for a full time developer. Wow. It's six to 12 months for a coordinated three person team. Did you write it from the ground up or did you grab a bunch of ground up? Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, hold on. This is including that I bought animations. So it did make its own animations, but I said stop. I don't, I don't feel like spending time on art direction. The code doesn't exist. I need specifically, I mean, there's, there's certain code somewhere, but you need specific code for the parameters that you want. So just do it. Done. Art, on the other hand, requires me to visually confirm the art. Wait a minute. Someone already animated a bunch of characters. I just buy it from them. That's still faster and easier. What sounds like to answer your question of what are people going to do become digital artists? If you can produce badass animations, I mean, that's going to be supplanted pretty quick. My God. But also, if you become a digital artist, how much digital art is really needed? Like, and why are people going to pay for it? We got to have George Alex office on how we're people going to pay for it. He's very good. Yeah. He's a brilliant hand artist. He had a, he had a, he had a great thing out today. Did you see his, his thing today? It was, it was the, you know, Haitian black Catholic, hold out juror in the Lindsey Clancy trial. Yeah. Just these, it's deranged women screaming at him. Yeah, it was good. You release this. So it's giving me the total cost. It says that the total cost of production so far for this game in 2021 would be $260,000 on average. Holy cow. Based on mean hourly wage for, for a video game developer. However, here's the truth. This game works 24/7 with no, aster works 24/7 with no overtime. And it is faster and more precise than any human I've ever worked was in complain. No complaints. When there's an issue, I say like, I've had an issue with a ladder animations. Somehow in the court, like the, the character animations are done. And then we like update one thing and it causes a bug and the ladder animation. I just go, the ladder animation is glitching out again. Please restore it and it goes done. I've actually been improving my grammar and my ability to communicate with AI because I'm prompting it. And I'm prompting it so intricately, you have to be super precise about what to and what not to do with these things. So every time I talk to it, I leave these like, exorbit paragraphs with them. And then it's like I write like in Shakespearean almost like, if you think, comma, but for a moment, comma that we might period, period, period, then comma, I abhor or I encourage you or I deep implore you to reconsider that we might do it this way. Look, give me a database of a string down of positives. And I'll give that's how I talk to my AI. You find that that impacts how you talk to human beings. The last three weeks, I've been way more fluid on this show, way more fluid. So if you use it for idiocy, you're going to become more of an idiot. If I'm going to publish your intelligence, you're going to become smarter. It has been coding 24/7 nonstop since Saturday. The game is about to finish. I think a minimum viable product will be done tomorrow. That's not fair. That's not fair. Are you going to release it beta? Yes. And so I think a playable game will be right tomorrow for our elite members in the discord to play, start play testing because we want it, we want to go through and check bugs. There is like the animation does need some refining only because I want to maximize the timing between hits and reds descent. So it's a roguelike dungeon crawl game with a bunch of items easily expandable. And then what I'm going to do is with the MVP, I'm going to slowly roll out new playable characters, new zones, new dungeons. I can, I can easily make, here's what's crazy. The game's done. I can just type a prompt. Okay, we're doing the expansion pack. It's going right now. It's a haunted tower dungeon theme. And so it's got like the butchery is grotesque meat hooks. There's like the royal quarter and the, you know, it's the demons layer. The next expansion can be the Elvish city. And I'll say, let's do, we're going to do 20 new levels, five zones, four dungeon, four levels, each following the similar theme. We need new items, literally in one prompt. And it'll go, okay, it'll, it'll generate it all overnight. And I'll come in the morning and the game is done in playable. That's, that, that's where we're at right now. Literally. Two years of work in several hours. I just don't know who's going to buy it. If you don't have an incest to a homosexual narrative. Oh, no, no, no, that's in there. Okay. Yeah. I made sure to put on. Well, I was hoping to, to sell it to a studio. And so we put up, we put gay sex in there and stuff. And the reveal is the main character is a female. And there's cut scenes with her. What I'm going to do is at the very end, the goal is then she really, you get the wishing stone. And so you don't know why. So the story is the demon king has the great wishing stone, all manner of creature and man want to fight their way to the dungeon and defeat the champion so that the demon king grants you the wishing stone so that you can get whatever you want. And you're wondering like, what does she want? Like why is she risking her life? And it's very clear in the beginning of the cutscene, they're like, you, you're gonna die. Finally, which is the wishing stone, she wishes to be a man plot twist. The demon king. It's her father. He apologizes for. He's like, no, what are you doing here? I kicked you out when you started that only fans account. And she's like, give me the stone. I wish we were a family again. Ah, not if you're still doing that. But I have the wishing stone. I don't care. Not in my house. Not under my roof. Not under my room. I pay the bills. I make the rules. Well, the whole, I mean, good Lord. So now we got to build organizational tools. So a million people can make a trillion games and then you'll, you'll have access to all of them and you'll know where they are. You know what's what? Basically, the thing about the game dev is that, um, it's able to do all the coding, but it doesn't really understand what humans like. It just knows how to make things. So one of the, one of the things is like, I was like, okay, we want to do a dungeon. We want this levels. It made a dungeon map. I had to tell it. I had to give it precision. And then it was like, it needed direction. It needed project management. Here's my fear. Nope, not very few people are going to be able to do this. A lot of, as it is right now, a lot of people will be able to pull up Astra and say, I want this game. What I will say is it was not hard work. It was vision. I'm not suggesting the game is good or anything like that. I'm saying the game was built on vision and understanding general gamification and mechanics, not on hard work. So if you are someone who likes playing video games, here's the crazy reality. I guarantee my boy Andy can make the best RPG ever made. He's played Final Fantasy since he was a little kid. He's played every single RPG. He knows every secret to every RPG, but he's not a developer. Now that he can code in English, he knows what makes a good game because he loves them. He can tell it, do this, do that, do this. It'll do it. And then he'll say, yeah, but you got to do this for this reason. There's a lot of people who can't do that. So very few people are going to be able to be the visionaries for making these games. You know what I found in improving your vision, your ability to convey vision to these machines is you tell it what you want, what your end goal is, what kind of game it is. And then you say, give me a layout of all your suggestions of how to make it better with the potential positive outcomes and the potential drawbacks. Send me all the things you want to avoid and why. And then it will draw you up and then make it think as deep as it can. So you basically like give me all your ideas and tell me what might go wrong. And it will give you the list and then give you all the guard rails and then you're like, do it. And then it just, can we just go? We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show right now. But I really hope people understand a couple of things. Because I know a lot of people don't care about AI. It's the biggest news right now. Not by choice. We cover the biggest news. When Andrew Yang goes out and gets 4 million views over on a clip where he says the AI is spreading itself throughout the internet. But I also don't think people understand when I can compress $300,000 worth of labor into a few days. What that means for the economy. And I want you to understand this guys. This did not exist two weeks ago. Astra just came out. I have used GPT Soul. I have used these AI models. And I've been like, yeah, whatever. On this show, on the uncensored portion, I made a game called Alien Invaders. It was a little square. And it fired little squares up at other little squares that were trying to get past you. That was what? When did I do that seven months ago or whatever? - Some like that. - A year ago. There were no graphics. And that was the extent. I told Claude, I said, Super Mario World was made in 1992. Make that right now. It could not do it. It made this, it was a little square that could jump. And there were green squares. That's all it was. And I was like, this is terrible. And I asked it, how is it that you have access to all of the code for the last 30 years and you cannot make something as sophisticated as Super Mario World? I said, I can't do it. Today, with Fable and Claude, that's not a question anymore. In fact, the jump from GPT Soul to Astra is the difference between, I need to hire a human being, spend $300,000 to get this game done. And two weeks later, it's $200 bucks for the subscription and the game is done in four days. We're going to go to the uncensored portion at rumble.com/timpcast. IRL smash the like button. Share the show. Follow me on X and Instagram @timpcast. Good buddy, you want to shut anything out? Yeah, Adam John's Electron Guy. Thanks for tuning in and hanging out with us. You can follow me on X at lectern leader. And if you're interested in reading my book, you can find it on unlicensedfurnituremovers.com. It is called Taking a Stand. Hey, man, big pleasure, dude. Good to see you. Green Room Show we did earlier with Adam and I. It was quite awesome. A carder, I was also there in Kellen as well. I'm Ian Krossel and find me at Ian Krossel on the internet. YouTube, Instagram and X is where you're going to find me lurking. So check me out there and real quick, just for those asking, the game that I have should be just about finishing up a minimum viable product. I, it's unfair to say MVP, it's going to be an alpha. And I say that only because no one else has played it. I think just Ian and Mark have played it. So while it theoretically may be at the point of an MVP in terms of normal game dev because it's not actually been played by anybody, I'm going to call it an alpha test or a beta test. That's going to be available to thetimcast.com elite members, which is these are the legit, you know, cream of the crop of Timcast members is not, you know, it's a hundred bucks a month. So we're releasing it just because you're going to get, we're going to give them a free copy to play. And we're going to have ask, ask you guys the elite members to contribute ideas, maybe art, whatever you want to be involved in. Then once we get through and we think it's like, okay, this is working. We're going to release it to all Timcast members for a general alpha test. And then once everyone agrees like, yeah, this is, this is cooking. We're going to publish it everywhere. I think we'll publish where we can. Obviously, the easy one is steam. And we're going to look into consoles and all that. We got to map the console controls. So anyway, Libby. I'm Libby Emmons and you can find me on Twitter @LibbyEmmons and you can listen to my podcast, which comes out again on Tuesday. And you can find it at thepodmillennial.com. There's all the links and everything, but you know where podcasts are found. And you can check out everything we're doing at the post millennial and humanevents.com. - I am Phil that remains on Twix. You can check out my Patreon. That's patreon.com/Phil that remains. You can check out the band. All that remains on Apple Music. Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime. Carter. - I'm Carter Banks. 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