Rob Dyrdek, LeSean McCoy and Trey Murphy: Best Sports Movies, Getting Rich by 50 & Dad Lessons

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Hold my hand when you say it. You are going to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars on your 50th birthday. Oh, God. Where you go? Where you go? I left, went to the bathroom, came back, and when I'm on the way back, I see on her phone, she's typing in Trey Murphy contract. No, I was just like, you know what, let me just go home. I think it's just time for me to just leave because. Did she go with you? Y'all all are athletes, or former athletes, or you guys are former athletes. He's still playing, but. What's y'all favorite sports movie of all time? I watched it yesterday. Remember the Titans? That's your favorite movie? Oh, that's a great movie. That's a great one. Will you have a quick go? We want some more. We want some more. That's a great one. I cried yesterday. I ain't no emotion. Why were you watching it yesterday? I was just in my crib, just relaxing, right? Me and my dog, Mama. She's a rottweiler. And I'm like, damn, this shit's emotional. I'm just like. Were you crying? Well, I don't cry. You said, yeah. You kicked it off with that. No, I just got that type of cry. I got that type of cry. Man, Terry died, but I didn't know. It was just cool to see how the black kids and white kids eventually came together like that. Yeah, yeah. And then they used football to do it. I was like, it just got emotional. Did the kid die? Oh, not die. He got paralyzed. The best linebacker. Worse. That shit was emotional, dog. Yeah, that thing got him to die. This is a Disney movie. But it was sad, though. You had that as a Philly person above Rocky? Oh, man. See, Rocky's real, though. In Philadelphia, Rocky's real. The young lady's in here, she's Rocky's real. But remember, Tyson's based on a true story. Oh, damn, you got me. All right, all right, all right. So scratch that. I got one for you. Any Given Sunday. Any Given Sunday is great. That's my best one, then. That's a great one. What about y'all? Mine is semi-pro. Semi-pro. I can't lie to myself. Jackie Moon's hilarious. Like, the problem is, I'm the only person to actually write and produce a legitimate skateboard film. Street and Dream. So I. I. I. I. I. I. I tried to create my version for the world. And I made it too serious. You know what I mean? I made it too serious. Instead of making it fun and, like, more about the culture and, like, how it was, like, I made it, like, so serious. And then instead of me playing, like, the fun character, I wanted to show that I could act. So then I played, like, the dickhead, like, mean character. And then it's just like, what's Rob doing? In a different light. But that's it. And then, again, I didn't want any investors. I wanted to write this film myself. I was going to produce this film myself. I was going to distribute this film myself. And then I lost all of my money. 1.7 million. My entire own money, which was, like, all of my money back then. I ended up with nothing. And I finally, like, monetized it on YouTube. And I got, like, a YouTube check for, like, $14. And I was like. We did it. I'm here. I'm here. We're building back up. He's arrived. This is bad. It ain't bad. It ain't bad, though. That's it. But, yeah. Bucks. You got one? I love He Got Game. He Got Game's up there. That's a great one. That is a great one. And Loving Basketball is great, too. That's good. Mine's probably Like Mike. Like Mike is. It was, like, my age demographic. Yeah, I'm 32. That was, like. I was, like, seven or eight when that came out. I thought I was going to find some shoes at Goodwill and be it, nigga. Oh, man. I thought I was going to be coming, dog. Them shits wasn't even Jordans out there. They was just Nikes. They was just hooping the Nikes, yeah, right? And how were they Michael Jordan shoes? That's what I'm saying. What's the show? I mean, what movie you just said? I'm trying to think. Semi-Pro. Semi-Pro. I got to watch that. Andre 3000. I'm a movie head, too. I don't think Andre was in it. No. Jackie Moon. Yeah, Andre was in it. Yeah, he is in it. I'm not sure. Yeah, he in that. He in that. I got to watch that. You showing your age right now. Yeah, I know I did. It's called Semi-Pro? Semi-Pro. Semi-Pro. Okay. I'm just arguing Air Bud might be the best, like, athletic movie. Just because Air Bud was, like, dominant in every sport, first of all, he might be the greatest athlete of all time. Hey, Air Bud didn't have a skate movie. Hell no, man. Hell no. He did, didn't he? He skated. He played football, fam. He hooped first. Yep. And that's the same dog? He ain't even dead yet. He been. For a hell of years. You take Air Bud to the hood, he's not doing that shit. They going to shut that all the way down. Carry my line. He getting locked up. One-on-ones. Real rap. I'm trying to think of what movie, like, what sports movie I would show my kids first. Would it be based on the sport or based on the message? Like, what's the best message in a sports movie? I guess, remember, the Titans, to me, is up there for sure. That's great. Because that showed me really, like, the teamwork. Now, you could have made it whatever you wanted to make it, but the part of, like, hey, it's us versus everybody else and we're going to come together. That's what I got out of that. I was like, man. That's the part. That's the message you probably give the kids. Yeah. The team. Versus, you know. Coach Carter. I showed Zane Coach Carter. He loved that. Ah, damn. Coach Carter, too. I like Coach Carter. I like Carball. He loved. I don't believe I've even shown my children a sports movie as long as we sit in silence. Space Jam? Space Jam? Gotta see Space Jam. You're not going to get there. I let my kid watch a documentary about eight-year-old golfers. Okay. Be like, this could be you. This could be you. You got to lock in. You know, but, yeah, no, I don't even, I'm depriving my kids of their potential sports inspiration. Because there ain't no golf and sports movies, huh? We need a movie on Tiger. We do. We got to have that. Got to have that. It's going to get eventful. It's going to be very colorful. I've started getting hyped up by just thinking about the journey. Tiger? Somebody said, Bagger of Bands. I'm like, I'm trying to forget about that. About a slave caddy? I want to forget all about that. Happy Gilmore, for sure. Oh, Happy Gilmore is a great, that's a great compliment. Yeah, that's, yeah. I guess that's it. That range is so far into comedy. We forgot about it. We did. What's the other one he was in? Adam Sandler, the football movie. Waterboy. Waterboy. Waterboy. Long as you are. Yo, I ain't going to lie, yo. He was a tough mother. Yeah, Mike Boucher. He was hitting. Mike Boucher, yeah. My mom, my mom, my mom. Yeah. I showed you a real talk. I told my son, because he's 14. This is when he was younger. And I'm like, yo, you got to watch this tape, man. You got to hit like this. I showed you Waterboy. Oh, really? Yeah. Because he asked so many questions. Kick your motherfuckers in the face. I just bought it. You got to ask me questions. Just do that. Waterboy was gangster. It was gangster. So he does play football. You put your son in football. Yeah. He like real nerdy smart. He can be real smart. But he likes football. I don't push it on him, but he want to do it, so we do it. You don't push it on him. You don't make him feel like you have to be good at this sport because I was good at this sport? Nah. You know, my only issue I think I have with him has been like, if you're going to do something, we're going to do it to the max. If it's tennis, whatever it is. And he don't like to be pushed like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, school comes easy to him, so my dad was hard on me on school. I hated school. Like, oh God, okay. I got a B. What you doing with a B? I'm like, a B? Or my son, he get a B, he's upset. Like, damn, Dad, I need to get an A. So I don't have to push him in school, but football, he's good. He ain't great. He's just good. And he's a late bloomer. He started late. Okay. Right? But he's real smart, like I told you. So he gets away with that. We're like in a secondary. He plays corner. And instead of going to make certain plays, he's like, well, Dad, Dad, Dad. I mean, in the cover three, that's the safety job. Yeah. So it's hard. So I don't like push on him too much. I don't like that voice. That's how I be. But I just like him because I always tell people, like, you got to play sports. Not to go to the pros, but it teaches you how to, like, work together. I agree. With different, you know, kids. But at the end of the day, you, the difference, why we became professional athletes is we were, like, locked in young. And it wasn't like, it was the harder we worked, the more results we saw, the more we were validated. The path to professional got changed. higher and higher probability so it motivated us to push that much harder and harder and and like I don't see that ability in my son right like I don't see like where it's at least at this point like where you have the trigger has to happen in you the obsession has to happen in you for you to want to pursue it at that level and then it's it's if you don't have that and or you don't discover it there's no possible way to like basically use your confidence or your ambition to get through the field to finally make it to be a professional you know I think that comes in waves too though because my dad was one of those where like my fit my five-year-old season I didn't score one point the entire year he coached my team and after the season's over he was like you're never gonna embarrass me like that again we're gonna if you want to work and be good at basketball you're either gonna be great or you're gonna quit and I was like all right you were five I was it worked it worked it worked of course you're gonna make it i don't know we're not like that we're like i'll go ahead and do your day i love that i love them dead but that's the thing though is like as i was growing up i worked and like i didn't really love it like that i really enjoy like that and so like it was almost resentment because i played baseball first and i loved baseball and my dad was like it's interfering with au basketball you're going to quit and so i resented my dad for that for a while and then when i got to my junior high school something just clicked for me and like that's when i started driving i would drive myself to the gym i'd be there from like eight to eight to like six p.m just during the summertime just there like always like just working working and so like it might not start early but like sometimes it like the it's a late bloomer thing yeah how do you feel about because i have i have these talks when like parents when they're like you know like you know like you know like you know like you know ask me questions about their kids and sometimes the dads be a little bit too hard i love that for him how do you feel now though thinking about all this stuff your dad was doing like he worked out like i always tell people i love my dad i didn't really like him until i was about 16 that's cool yeah he a dad not your homie he a dad exactly but then once that once i finally like realized like what he was doing for me like me and him became so so close like we were like we were really really close because of it and i wouldn't be in this seat talking all day if it wasn't for parenting and so like the first 15 years it was tough like games we lose we would drive up the tournaments i ride with him if we lose a game i'm not riding back with him because i already know this is my life my dad's made me ride with other people too that's crazy yeah or like i knew if i did ride or he'd be like no you ride with me i know i'm getting a lecture the entire time and it could be a three-hour drive back i love that i love that because man like you love that would you do that it's different why can't you be that guy why don't you it's tough though i would never do it i wouldn't i wouldn't want that to be my relationship did you have money anymore but the thing is though i'll say this because because of au and because of basketball like i was around a lot of like lower income stuff and i was middle class like i didn't i didn't know my parents told me that we were actually broke i didn't know that but they didn't really show me that no i didn't feel it at all i feel like we were always fine but he was just like i'm like the stuff that you and like coddled a little bit he said i'm not gonna do that to you you're gonna you're gonna be tough because they need that bro they need that and because a lot of times a lot of kids come into the league now and they're just spoiled yeah and so entitled because you guys both are in sports that have a clear vertical of where you can end up with a parent could be like hey you're gonna go play football gonna play basketball with skating especially at the time yeah it was like there was no real money there was no real like growing inside structure being validated in the outside structure leveling up knowing where you're headed we didn't have that but the other part of it was the moment we like got really good we quit high school you know what i'm saying like there's no there's not one pro skateboarder alive that finished high school maybe a handful of them so it's like the exact opposite how early do you turn pro so i turned pro at 16. right so but you got to understand i turned at 16 in 1991 okay and for the year of 1991 i sold one board in december of the rob dyrdek signature skateboard by the alien workshop so i got it i don't know i got a check for two dollars in the month of december in 1991 in that year i made 1240 dollars and then they guaranteed me a thousand dollars a month guaranteed salary if i would move to california from ohio and i was like excuse me excuse me right 12 i don't you trying to tell me i don't got to get a job and like that was the like that was where i was that's how committed i as to what it was of just the passion of what it no no pathway to even sustainability back then i just love it so much though right with the dads because i got my son like i full custody of my son you know what i'm saying and like um you know it's different i'm not i'm not the mom right my mom and dad they still married so i seen both my dad was real tough on me and then my mom was she's the mom right i'm crying what's up what's wrong baby not crying but just yeah because i don't cry but but but i was emotional when i see these kids and they dance like the bald dad i love him because it was one particular time where i never even heard lonzo talk but i heard his dad talk for him yeah he might know his son ain't the best at you know promoting himself and talking and he did it so as i get older like well my dad and i think i didn't like my dad like that coming up i'm gonna be honest he was tough on me chores you know practice right all these different things i don't even like you but then i get to college and i see the dudes i'm playing with right oh they soft coach yelling i'm certain way he don't know how to take it i'm thinking like that's it right getting in trouble getting it tries to run some of my homeboys getting in trouble and i'm thinking they like they ain't the cops might get us i'm being like they're cops so as i start seeing it then i get to the pros now everybody getting paid you got and i won't never say names it's all these superstar players some dudes be soft mentally they be weak and because a lot of them don't have no dads around so i remember when i was probably like maybe like 19 or 20 i'm in college or no i'm like 20 i was in the league i remember telling my dad i got him a crib and all that and i was like i want to thank you because when i was a young boy i didn't really like you for real at all but i seen the way you really helped me out now i'm older like all that shit you did help me out and i wouldn't be here without you and i think sometimes the dad's we get the we don't get the same credit as the moms and i hate that shit have you that shit get on my nerves because the dad might come off a certain way but it's the same thing with the mom supporting the kid just that the dad might be a little bit more there's a balance there's a balance but we don't but we don't get the same credit no like the moms so i'm saying at all have you seen the podcast that they just launched with jason tatum's dad and lavar ball yeah i love that yes the way and wait there's other people's dad and they like all talking about how they believe at least in the world and they're all talking about how they believe at least in the world and they're all talking about how they believe at least the nba has a initiative or a narrative of them trying to like eliminate the black dad as soon as they get there you don't really see nfl too these black yeah and i felt probably any of these sports honestly because they feel like okay you've done enough here we we got your son from here but they don't realize that dad has invested and done so much up to that point you feel like you're you know now you don't want me speaking lavar ball got so much bad press lavar ball was the greatest thing as a black man who watched i love lavar i love ball i'm like hell fuck i bought me them weak ass sneakers they got because i like the triple b damn man and that hey listen if if something someone could have came in and made the branding nicer i know they could have really did it they could have it could have but the but the mindset he was doing is 100 keep this joint in house bro and i've seen that with the pops and i and i'm guilty of it because tatum jason tatum one of the best right love his game i ain't know that that was around that's how i'm saying i don't even know he kd's dad he's a mama's a superstar we didn't we never seen him he'd be around yo they showed a mom he'd be around he's done a lot of accomplishment because we saw kd crying to his mother so kd's like it's his fault give him the and my dad appreciate him too yeah he just gave him like a soft shout out you know i guess everybody really i guess also i think men really have a special relationship with their mothers though that's true because it's like the only it's the first person you can be emotional with the first person you can be like sad in front of crying in front of all the other your homies when you're a kid you gotta be tough around everybody you're going to house and cry i think it makes i think it's more marketable uh i hate to say that i think the nba looks at it and they're like oh if we have a single black mother we're showing that their perseverance and they push or something it's a better story it doesn't make them as happy to hear that this black kid came from a two-parent home it's the both of them were involved it's like yeah let me make sure this narrative feels more like oh that kid struggled from nothing all he got his mama dad's in the back like he's right though he's right i'm right here guys when i retire right i have my own agency too my two five sports we got about 45 kids we're doing real big numbers right now okay just in case when i go into the household right the first person i asked for hey where the dad at i want to i want to talk to the dad i'm going to come to talk to your son where the pops at yeah right and some don't have the dad and then the mom's there but i've seen from the like the gms they love when the dead in the house it's an easy win easy win and the parents can't see it the mom can't you know she's tough she thinks she's but i peep the game so but when the dad's there and i'm nothing's 100%. So I'm not saying dad in the house, you know, this guy has it all. But majority of the time, when the dad's there, certain questions are asked, right? There's certain more of the respect level when you come into the crib. And when I sit back and I see, like, the NFL and NBA, they glorify just the mom. And I be trying to figure out, like, yo, like, why? And I'm still trying to figure that question out. Like, why is it that? I think to, yeah, to the optics of it, the story is better. This, like, overcoming thing, we're achieving, we're doing all this thing, all odds against us. I get that part. But yeah, it doesn't make any sense. But that's business. Half that shit don't make any fucking sense. Well, it's storytelling. It's storytelling. It's just storytelling. And it's a different story. Or it's the, I don't know, does Dale Curry get enough credit for, like, shaping Steph? And you never really hear that. Think about it. You never hear that. Yeah, now that I think about it. It's the, you know, when you think of, like, the young player for San Antonio, Harper, and his mother being his coach his entire time, but he's still Ron Harper's son. Like, it's, like, the shaping of both of them. It's an incredibly compelling storyline that it really, really is with sports and parents. Because it is this hardcore, like, shape you into the person that you are. Or, like, your mother just supports you enough to allow you to develop yourself to do it. It's always a story, you know. Yeah. And to go back on, like, the entitled point, I feel like, you know, the moral of the story is we just gotta put more belt on these kids. That's another thing. These kids ain't getting no boogers no more. You ain't wrong. Not no more. No, no, they got you now. Not no more. Not no more. Back in 19, that was alright. I feel like now, if I was a child and my mom tried to whoop me, I'd be able to flashlight out, like, excuse me? What you doing? Whooping who? I can't even, like, the even concept of striking one of my children seems striking. That's how you know you're not whooping kids. Striking. Striking is evil. Even, like, the concept of it is like. You think you're rich, so you get a rich picture. Yeah. I can't, oh my god, I can't like my children. You know, daddy service for a week. And listen, that's more of my vibe. That's more of my vibe. What do you think your generation's got right about things that we didn't do right? Like, you're 26 as you've corrected me 10 times. After I called you 25, you're like, 26! I'm 13 and a half! Closer to 30 than he is. True. That's true. Like, what do you think that we've gotten wrong as our generation that you guys got right? And then also, I have to ask you, what do you think that we've gotten wrong that your generation. I guess I'm just right in the middle of everybody's generation. Because how old are you? 32. Okay. Alright. But the difference, this young man was, like, born in the year, in the 2000s. He was born after post-9-11. Just 2000. Just 2000. Not 2001. Just 2000. I think about this shit all the time. Like, he was one when the World Trade Center was built. That's crazy, bro. So you had to learn about that in school. You had to learn about that in school. Yeah, but I shit, he don't even remember. I don't have memories from that. He's like, they got one even born. But even, you gotta think, I'm. I grew up in a world where there was no social media, there was no cell phones. You still dialed on the phone to connect with somebody. You had to meet up to connect like you. It is not the same, even level that you two guys, even really all three of you guys are in the same sort of zone. Like, you could get away with so much more. You could just, like. I know. You could just be. You could do so much. Because you're not. Because you gotta remember, social media for kids this day and age is not social media. It's the fact that they have a phone to film themselves doing some dumb stuff and posting some dumb stuff, like, where. Do you feel responsible for that? Yeah, you guys are about to go on YouTube. I feel so, like, what a blessing that I got to live my craziest 20s outside of that. They sound real wild, though. He's like, man, you don't get in trouble as much. They don't see as much. I'm like, what was y'all doing? Like, hey. I think for us, though. It was stuff I would be embarrassed of today if it still lived on the internet. Where now, it's like, like. His whole life is, like, now, if he chose to post, it exists for the world to inspect or find. How old were you when Robin Bigg started? This will trip you out. Robin Bigg aired when I was 32 years old. I was the same age as you when I finally became, like, mainstream famous on. And I had essentially lived my 20s traveling the world just partying, being, like, a pro skateboarder. Because, you know, it was, like, in that era, then signature shoes and skateboarding exploded. So now I'm making way more money and just, like, it's unregulated, and it's, like, let's just have fun. And then, uh, Robin Bigg, you know, it took two and a half years to finally do, but at 32 years old, then did my life completely change from a mainstream fame perspective. I think, nah, you're right, because you and, I mean, um, Tony Hawk? Is that his name? Yeah. I had everybody in the hood skateboarding doing wild shit. They started that thing off, though, for real. Skateboarding? Yeah, skateboarding and all that. But you're from Philly, so I feel like. I'm from Harrisburg, outside of Philly. My bad, champ! No, but I claim Philly. I love Philly, but I am from. But, like, I was saying. I'm in the Philly Hall of Fame, but, like, I don't. Harrisburg. Being from L.A., skate culture was just here. So I think for us, it was, like, yeah, it was a white culture thing, but it was, like, we all did it. It wasn't a thought process. We're not here, though, right? Because it was, like. It was. Everybody did it. I grabbed me a skateboard. Do you think skateboarding's a white culture thing? I just. I want to know that, too. Do I? I don't think it is. Like, I don't. Even growing up in Ohio, it wasn't, like. It was. It was almost, like, the mixed bag of, like, every culture, but it was, like, you're athletic and expressive and you don't fit in the structure. You don't want to play regular sports. I get that. You don't like school. Like, it's. That's what sort of bound all of us. And then it was sort of anti. Everyone was, like, anti, like, skater losers, like, stoner. Like, it was that. It was that sort of mentality for many years that kept it on the outside, but it slowly got more and more mainstream over the years with the Tony Hawk Pro Skater, with Jackass Bam, Robin Big. It just got bigger. Lil Wayne. When Lil Wayne started doing it? Oh, shit. We all can do this, then. Lil Wayne was doing a skateboard. We remember that. Trump Fit. I remember that. I had some Trump Fit, too. I had some Trump Fit. I was eight. I was eight. Let me say this about Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne didn't just, like, I'm gonna skate. Lil Wayne, like, committed to being a skateboarder. Like, that man, like, he went to every street that we had. He did flips and all that? He was just doing it a lot. He used to hit me to go skate, bro, all the time. He used to skate. He would, like, work in the studio and he would start skating at Weird Flicks. I'm gonna text him and ask him, I'm gonna ask him, yo, did you ever do flips? You gotta show me that him doing, like, the. No, no, no. No, no, no, Rob. I don't believe you. I don't care what you're telling me. It ain't no way. Shove it. I've seen him do a shove-it. I know he did a shove-it. Or it's a shove-it where you make the board just do this. Yeah. Oh, I could do that. Okay, stop it. Two weeks. Two weeks. You seen my golf swing? Two weeks. Hey, you ain't seen it yet? I'm talking about some real stuff. I believe him. I believe this man. Wayne can skate vert. That's, to me, like, not the harder one to learn. Definitely not the harder one to learn, but the one at any age is just, like, he was, like, 35 trying to start skating. That's a crazy commitment to your body. It was not. It's late in the game. It was. But I like what he was doing. I was like, damn. I would say all of them could bond. Made a family. TK and those dudes were the first dudes I ever saw. I used to think, I mean, I'm from Chicago, so I used to think, to me, until I came out here and saw it more, but to me, skateboarding was, like, a very white culture thing. Me too. Yeah. And then, also, I joke with him all the time. I just found out L.A. is only 8% black, so I think that you could also think that it's diverse, but it's just two niggas there. That just hit me. That just hit me hard. I'm like, that don't make sense. No, but TK and those guys were the first people I ever saw, and I was like, oh, this is a very cool thing. I've always thought it was a very rebellious thing. I joke and say, skateboarding in the 90s or 80s was probably, like, just white gangbanging. That's all it was. White gangbanging is crazy. Yeah, because they didn't want y'all nowhere. Y'all was getting kicked out of places and stuff like that. Running from cops, like, the same way. Like, it's still like, even, you gotta think, we would run, we would, every place we skated was illegal, architectural, structures that they didn't want you on, so security would always kick you out, so I thought it would be so funny to write a skit for a skate video that I would start bringing my own security to deal with security guards, and that's how me and Big Black met in the first place, which then, that's it, so I'm like, I got this idea, I want to shoot, and then it was like, first day, when we were in the streets just filming with real security guards, it worked. It was like, when you came out to kick me out, he's like, what's up, Big Dog? Like, it brought everything, down, and I was able to keep skating, and so from, then we started to see how our relationship, how people were just reacting to our friendship, which even led to us, we did a car race across Europe together, that they filmed the documentary about, that even led to even shooting the show, Robin Big, but it was that aspect of it that is, there's no other sport like that, you're not getting, you know, you don't have signature shoes and signature products where you have to do what you do, as a profession on somebody else's property where security and police are kicking you out you know that's what made you create street league do you like as far as like legacy goes i think about this as your friend who's known you for so long how how do you want like and this goes for all of you guys how do you want your legacy to be viewed you've done so many things but i don't know what you're like most proud of so to speak i i keep living like i'm proud like i created like essentially the mba of skateboarding right and really the whole premise of it was take the streets to the arena and then make the prize money significant so it took the prize money from ten thousand dollars to win a contest to two hundred and fifty thousand and then put it in the arena and made it feel like pro sports right so i built like urban plazas all over the country and created this movement that built them all over the world so you have these like building like architectural skatable features but it's free and legal for skateboarding but i just look at that the same way i did street dreams the first movie i just look at all of that is like this era of trying to push skate culture to this higher level then it was like all the television shows a fantasy factory and and ridiculousness and and robin big and all of that just sort of like another era and then as an athlete i think about it as like okay i was like a player investor in the early days so i would i was i would get my money for being like talent and then i would get equity and ownership right and then i would get my money for being like talent and then i would get equity and ownership right and then i eventually became like a player owner with ridiculousness where i built and owned the production company then you know we built the show into this massive thing and then now i but it wasn't controlled by us it was controlled by paramount and these people that ultimately made the decision to end it and now i look at my next chapter is like how do i be the player the owner and the entire league you know so that you can not only and if i made millions as a player investor and hundreds of millions as a player owner you have to like be like a player owner and the league to make billions right so i still feel like what i do next will be the biggest thing that i ever do that will then be like it's crazy that this skater that used to be on robin big and ridiculousness went and made this like multi-billion dollar like time software platform that changed the world is like where my vision is and i think that's the biggest thing that i've ever had in my fifties i had fun i had fun on your show too that shit was yeah yeah you did great because you're a funny guy you should have your own well serious question though have you had like a time where you was doing the skateboards and the and the bikes because i think we all did that the bikes and the skateboards i tried doing skateboarding it wasn't working the tech decks that's what i really wanted to bring up too i had so many tech decks i'll be in class just doing little like so many tricks on those and that's why i actually got into skateboarding tech decks like they i actually really enjoyed it i had so many tricks on those and that's why i actually got into skateboarding during that time but skating no i wasn't i was a little too good i guess i tried it though yeah i tried because nobody nobody never we never we nobody was respectful you know i was skating right no but when they came on the scene right and you see all these different people doing it right you and all these other guys we talked about like let me try it looked fun video games then then you get it then you get into the because i would watch it on tv they have x games x games like who i'm watching you know jordan and colby and now we're watching x games they're doing a little tricks on the bike everybody in the hood had the peg bike yeah it's three dudes on one bike like man so everybody had that kind of little era yeah no so well thank you that's what i'm saying thank you yeah yeah yeah yeah my light skin brother yeah i'm glad you got through it i would be i would be way more upset if you had like an injury story you know like that hammy that we're working on was when i did the splits trying to do it a kick flip but yeah the problem with skateboarding is really really really hard yeah the it's just you can't just jump a bike you can you can have some you can cruise on skateboard you can barely cruise on like and you just know whether or not you have a feeling for it immediately and if you don't you're out you don't even like there's so i need i need more than two weeks to master that you are different you are a super athlete nothing can stop you listen i've seen the golf footage you are going to capture all this listen listen now you really do have a nice golf swing for two weeks that's do you think the sport is still climbing like i don't know yeah okay you don't skateboarding it's interesting you got on a skateboard uh i have not been on a skateboard in a really long time and like my son will let me hear it all the time i don't even skateboard you're the one that tells us never give up never quit you quit skateboarding and i'm like listen guy i was professional for 25 years like i don't find joy in it any longer uh but yeah i don't i just i look at the sport as it's up like culturally because you got to think nike sb like supreme all of these like massive that have emerged from the culture of skateboarding that's still this like multi-billion dollar industry but the actual participation in skateboarders themselves is just remained sort of flat and small like it's just not i think that barrier of how difficult it actually is will kind of always keep it at this level like there isn't going to be some way that it becomes easier to i think sports in general like and to be a professional is super it's super hard like across the board so i think that like culturally i think that at least for me growing up playing a tony hawk pro skaters and playing skate video games and stuff brought people who did not skate still into the world yeah i feel like when they lost that and lost like you know the cultural like bubble in which they were building it kind of makes stunts the growth but it didn't it didn't make skateboarders it made this guy jumping on like knowing what it is but they're still spending money you be in the stands most of the time and feel attached to the sport yeah i'm saying skateboards could still brought in more fans i don't have to know how to skateboard to be a fan listen i'm jaded from a man who built all these different companies in skateboard i finally was just like man you guys can have this like it's like i'm trying to like they don't even like when you're making money you know i mean like the culture got it too you know so i'm doing all these mainstream things and big things and they're like it's like but where i was like i would do a mainstream movie build this like professional sports entertainment as i refer to it but then i would go and build parks in all the community so i tried to always like keep that balance but at the end of the day skateboarders don't want it to be big yeah commercial they want to be commercial they don't it's still culturally it's still like if you get into it you it's like it's still the same thing every pro today no different they all quit high school the same way you got to whatever you relate to I can't relate to a lot of them dudes at the soccer guy. I can't relate to that. Because when I want to watch sports, right, I don't know what it is, but the narrative is, yo, I want to watch the Lakers play. I want to watch. So that's what we want to see. You relate what you see yourself in. But I'm saying, imagine a kid, you say you grew up in Chicago. Yeah. I know none of your friends had Messi or Renato's on a wall. Again, you don't see yourself in the sport. That's why. But I said, if you take all the sports away and you had to look at Renato on your wall, I want to be like him. Like when you was a kid, who was you like? Who was on your wall? Not who you like. Kobe. You see what I'm saying? So again, it's a black person. Again, my point is, if you were in the sport, now I can see myself in the sport. Why would a little black kid see an all-white sport and see themselves in it? You can't see yourself in it. Well, it's not all white because you said. No, I'm not saying it's actually all white. But in general. I'm more saying, yeah, in general. But you need to see a pathway for yourself. For more access. You know what it is? Not even that. It's not popular here. Again. No, I'm saying if you go to a regular, if you go to a regular low league, right, and then you go to high school, everybody knows who Bernardo and them guys are. But if you ask who's more popular, because Bernardo has, or Messi has more followers than every athlete. But if I said who's more popular to a kid in an urban community, is it Messi or is it Lamar Jackson? Messi don't got no chains on, bro. I mean, it's the same thing. Messi, I ain't never seen him in a year, though. Stop with that bust down. I'm not saying this. I mean, he can drive everything. When he's got coolness. He can drive everything. Black people involved should be cool, right? So baseball in the 90s, it had black players in it, right? Once the black players were removed, it's less cool. And then you have less black kids who want to play the sport now because they don't see themselves in the sport. I'm saying so the more that you bring black kids to soccer, you start to, you have to educate people, right? You can't just drop like content on somebody and be like, oh, you should now like this show. You have to slowly show them the different things of why this show and this thing that you're watching makes sense to you. There's got to be more of that just because like. No. I'm with you. I'm just saying, but it's got to be because you're saying like, you know, informing them and teaching them. That's cool. But like, I got to like, like it. It got to be cool. It's also not, by the way, it's also not covered on like ESPN. Our mainstream media has never covered soccer. Okay. But outside of the World Cup. Now that the World Cup is here, though, it's made me a soccer fan. Like, I'm actually about to start watching more soccer now because of the World Cup. Listen, your soccer fandom peaked. We all peaked at the World Cup final. We don't realize it. Like, we slowly start. Like, right now. Right now. As you said it, I'm like, oh, yeah, the World Cup. Like, we're at the end of the World Cup. I'm like, soccer. I got to start watching it. No, for sure. And it's just like. And then four years later, you're like, oh, World Cup's back. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's the same thing we're saying, basically. Yeah. If it's popular, right, and you can relate to it, I think you'll do it. I'm saying, well, we make it popular. We make it cooler. If we had the athlete, it takes. I'm saying the athlete. We make, like, again, baseball in the 90s, we saw Ken Griffey Jr. Yes. Yeah, so, yeah, right, right. Okay, right. So the moment that you remove those things, it's like, now what's driving the sport, right? And you do need us to drive sports. We are what make people. White people, I always joke, more times than not, they still use blackness to determine what's cool, right? For sure. So then we don't have any black players playing in baseball or soccer, then why would other little black kids think this is cool? Bro, for sure. But I would also say that from a straight entertainment aspect of football. Of enjoying sport, basketball and football are the most exciting storylines, exciting players, like football's so high stakes with the limited games, like there's so much storyline in the NBA, there's just no storyline in any other sport that the same as those two, that's another reason of the gravity is so high, not just necessarily even individual players, but just what it means. What it means to win. We don't like, you know, even though I, this is the thing that trips me out is like, I, I'm always like, ah, like baseball, I'm just, I don't connect with baseball, but then the World Series, I like lock in, I'm like locked in for the world, because the stakes of it become so high. So many games, and now it's finally. That's it. And so again, it's still those two, but those two sports themselves are just so much more exciting to follow and be, and watch, you know? Yeah. What, what do you guys think that is? What's the best thing and the worst thing about the sports you all come from? Like, do you feel like, oh, this has been the greatest part of playing basketball, and this has been my least favorite part about playing basketball? For least favorite part? Oh, money probably be the greatest thing, but other than that. Money's like, whoa, whoa, hold up now. I think the least is probably just like the genuineness of like how people really treat you. Cause you never really know if they're like. If they rock with you like that. Cause a lot of people will tell you, it's like, make your connections while you're playing. Cause when you're done playing, they don't care as much anymore. That's probably valid. And so like. Very valid. When you're meeting people in your network, when people, you're like, all right, like they really just, they really care about what I have going on, like for myself, or they just care about what I do. So that's one thing you have to really decipher. But like the greatest thing is like, I get to travel across the world. I get to inspire young kids. I get to show my family, like all this different stuff. Like I took them to all star, uh, my second year at college. I was doing the duck contest and they got to meet Julius Irvin, Charles Barkley, like all those people that they watched growing up. And there I see my dad, he's showing all 32 teeth smiling. Like he's just like, he's hype. Like. Made you proud boy. Yeah. It worked. It worked. It actually might not be 32 anymore, but, but he's like, they're all just like super happy and it's like me seeing them like super happy is like the best way I can give back to them. Cause there's like, obviously like gifting them stuff is like experience. Give my parents experience, give people that are around me like great experiences. So I think that's probably the greatest part for me. I'm, I'm kind of similar to that. I think the best other than the money and all that, but it's more of just like, um, like your family, take care of your family a certain way and showing them a life that they never had. You know, I look at like my mom and dad worked, you know, and then now I get to show them a certain lifestyle and going places, you know, and not just like buying material things, but like making memories. You know? And I think about like my childhood memories, I think I got like, I don't know, other than like birthdays, but I went one time to a Disney world, you know, and that was really it. That's not a bad thing, you know, but I think my now with my family, you know, from my kids to my grandma, we got mad memories and I think like this, the sport really helped me do that, you know? And I think the least thing I hate or don't like, I think more of, um, the pressure of, um, you know, like, you know, being the answer for everybody. So I, I look back at my career, man, like, um, you know, things are still good and everything worked out, but like you go from asking your mom and dad for stuff, I mean, it's college, it's not like it is now with NIL, but shit, I used to be trying to will and do for oodles of noodles. And then the next month I'm 20 years old, now I'm the head of the house. Yeah. So now when like a car is messed up, the, the regular hood dude that we used to go to, now let's go to, let's go to Mercedes, you know, and I got to pay that Mercedes bill. And then now it carries now the friend, you know, now the best friend, now his mom might have an illness or sickness, she might need help. So now it becomes a whole big thing for a young kid to have to take care of. And then it gets older. You get older. Now you start winging back cause you get smarter, but the part of like, all right, I can't do it. Yeah. You know, no matter whatever happens when you tell someone you can't do it, that's kind of close to you. That leadership. Changes. Bro changes. Yeah. It changes. Yeah. Then changes for them and for me. So now every time you call me, shit. Man. Trey keep calling me. I don't, I'm scared. I ain't gonna pick up. I'm scared. Man. I think it's about some paper though. I don't even pick it up. Man. And now our joint has changed. Relationship. So that's the one thing I hate because I got like a lot of good friends in the league. That's one thing I was good at is I hung out with everybody, right? Those who listen to like Jason Kelsey, you know, y'all know who he is and all that. We partied with him. We drinking crazy beer. I don't drink beer like that. I got to do it with him and my teammates. Yeah. I get it. And then I'm in the club with the Sean Jackson. It's like two different. Yeah. That's how I was. But I noticed like with some of my white friends, like they families hustle forward. When I say that, it's more of, well, I don't have to get my mom and dad a car. They got a car. I don't gotta give my mom and dad a crib. They got a crib. But for all my homeboys, right, all my black homeboys. When you get your first paycheck, I'm hustling backwards. Gotta get my mom a crib. Gotta get my dad. My grandma can't. Gotta get her. My uncle gotta get. So I'm thinking like before you even like start really investing in yourself, you're already in the negative. You're a first-generation millionaire. And it does suck. But I'm saying that's like the worst stuff for me. Yeah. When I think about it. And now I'm older. And I told you about my agency, 2-5 Sports. When I help my young boys out though, like my kids. Feels good. And like now they getting money now. You go from, you're eight now. It's different. You're 18. I did a deal for a kid. He 18. You know, he got 750 cash. With a whip and all that. I'm like, yo. That's nice. First of all, slow down. They got a car for you. They got a crib for you. And he ain't tricking yet because he's still young. So it's like, what you spending money on? Not yet. Bro, the first time I saw a check. It's gone. It's easy. Two days. When you're young. When you're young, getting money. And you don't know how it's stacking. How the stack goes. Manager. Yeah. Manager. Come on now, man. Then those taxes. That lawyer. Then it's like. - I have agents. - Agents. - Don't forget your agent now. - Oh man, listen. - I yelled at my first managers once. I got a check and Fika took my answer. Who the fuck is Fika? You trying to rush? You trying to finesse me? And they both on the phone, bro, hysterically-- - You FaceTimed, bro. - Hysterically cried a laughter. And I was like, "This shit not funny." And they was like, "Fika is the government." - Right. - And I was like, "Oh, that's what I was saying." And learning that at a young age, I learned that at 17, 17 years old. That was hell. - Bro. - The first time I saw a check, I was like, "Let's go." - I wish they would teach money to athletes for them to learn money, not to rely on advisors, right? Because when you learn money and you understand it and build money into your strategy and life plan and move money towards your goals, it's a gift for you forever. So when you get out of the league or stop making money, that you understand you're managing your own money with advisors rather than-- - Them and advisors. - Like you don't, you're completely blind to it. It's like, I wish that that money education was just, I mean, much more prominent aspect for pro athletes. 'Cause you earn all this money that if correctly understood and managed properly, you are set for life. But so quickly you may throw it here, you throw it there, you get, you save, the next thing you know, it's like, oh, what is this now? What are you in? Contract year, gotta lock in. - Gotta lock in. - Gotta lock in for that contract year. Like you're like-- - Don't ever do that though. - What? - I'm saying those companies will never do that. It's like essentially betting against themselves, not betting against themselves, but if I teach you too much about money, then the power dynamics shift, right? If I teach you so much about money, do you start-- - Well, especially on the management side and-- - Management side, agency side. - Yeah. - But my thing with like the teams, and I don't know if it's an NBA trade, but in the NBA, do they have like, obviously they have like the union meetings, NFLPA. What are yours called, the union? - CPBPA. - CPBPA. - Okay. - I'm actually the vice president on there too. - Oh good. - I'm talking to the right man. - What's up? - I'm talking bad about something else. - I'm talking bad. - Y'all have like, 'cause I noticed like-- - Amazing. - They can't wait to talk about the new contract and how much money in the NBA's, you know, how much money they're getting and this and that and the new schedules. - CBA deals, yeah. - But do they talk to y'all about like, overly like how to save? And we got our own financial advisors, but do they have them long meetings about that? Because for us, right? - They still don't. - They have them, but they don't-- - Nah, we better though. We getting better though. - 'Cause y'all getting more money. - Getting more money, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Latrell's people don't need that though because we have the traditional meetings, right? But let's say we talk about that for two hours. That's a nice time. But everything else we talking about for two days. Hey, we're talking about this, about the league, and then we'll stop. And then next day for camp, we'll talk about the same thing about the league. And I'm thinking about, it makes the league look better when you don't hear these horror stories of these dudes going broke. - I'll say like, it's also on the dude to apply it to though. 'Cause the NBA, the NBPA, they give all the necessary resources. We have enough talks. Like we have a lot of talks from, like they'll sit you down after practice. Like you won't be able to leave. And they'll have these talks, talk about money, talk about branding, talk about security, talk about everything, the whole nine. It's on that dude to really apply what he's hearing and then really doing it. Like if they're just in the meeting, they're just like, all right, I'm just trying to get through it. Like that's, you're not gonna get anything out of it. And it's like, the NBPA did their job. We gave you all the information. Now it's on you to do with the information. - But that's, but that's- - But I wish it, I wish it was like one step further where it was part of your contract where it got managed. So like you, it just, and again, it's that's, that's wishful thinking because it's the, there's just some people that don't even care. They're like, I got plenty of money. I don't need any, you know, it's the, but it's so essential to the long-term quality of life forever. The more you understand money, the better you are going to be at managing and growing your own and maintaining your lifestyle and way of being. So it just, it is sad when it is like the full pinnacle, you know, and I guess when I think about not athlete, what do you think who had the highest pinnacle to the lowest low? - Scott Storch. - Floyd Mayweather. - MC Hammer. - Damn. - MC Hammer. - MC Hammer. - Where it's like, you just like, it was like, he had like, two or three hundred people on staff. - Yeah, that was, yeah. - You know what I mean? And then like, all the way down to like, Taco Bell, you know, but it's, it's just like some sort of system that almost prevents it. I think the league did, or at least Allen Iverson's management did a really good job with like, - 55. - Well, see that was, that's not an NBA though. - That was Reebok. - That was Reebok. - Yeah. - So I was about to get to that. And I ain't want to use his name because he's my, he's my childhood idol. I love to see him in the mall. He talked to me about regular shit. I'm thinking like, he don't even understand. He don't understand how much of a fan I am. - I'm like, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up? Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. Tonight, what you doing? Okay, I'm going to text you. - That's how it feels. - I'm like, my mother. - I ain't gonna lie. That's how it feels. - No, no, no. Hold up, hold up. - That would be the only, - I don't even get it. - I know. - That would be the only time that this man cried. - Oh, I still didn't cry. But, but now I'm saying like, for example, and that's a great example of Iverson. Iverson was building Philly, right? Well, you talk about all the heydays with Dr. J. That was great. We love that. But there was a time where there was nothing there and Iverson was just carrying the team. And I, and you watching him, you know, 'cause you, they ain't blind. They know, they see you spending, they see it. You're not going to have that conversation with him. But I'll tell you this much. If your production drop and we losing, they're going to bring your ass in his office. Owner, I've been there. Owner, the coach. Hey man, hey, listen, we gotta, so you had that talk with me though. I'm not talking about this to regular degular conversations. - Yeah. - Bring the owners there 'cause you gotta help these players out because look how many players built up a lot of these franchises. Like LeBron. Bro, LeBron, I mean ain't gonna be no more LeBrons. He's just different. - Yeah. - But I think about like a dude like him where like Cleveland, say what y'all want and all this and that, but like he built that shit. - Yeah. - When he left, he lost his job. - That's what I'm saying. But let's say that. - Like lots. - You know, he wasn't as responsible and all that in the role model he is and he just, doing what he's spending money doing his thing. Well, y'all gonna bring him in that office and have that conversation with him? That's what I'm talking about, them real talks. Because. - Did they have that with you? Like did you have that? - They never have them talks. - They don't care to. 'Cause you're an employee. I mean, I'm not saying you actually are, but I'm saying that's how they view you. - But you didn't pay me. We can't tell you. - They're like, I'm paying, I'm a new employee. Why am I talking to you about what you do with your money? - I'm employed. - I'm employed. - Thank you, sir. - But all I'm saying, those people are building those, like Steph should have equity within the Warriors. LeBron should have equity within the Cavs. So those should be conversations. But again, I think it's gonna constantly be, why would I relinquish so much power to these people in which I can't control the situation. - But it don't affect them though. Like, for example, the hardest part for me also, bro, is I got so many great teammates that made more money than me and I made good money. They made way more money than me. And they call to ask for loans. And I'm sitting there like, I can't loan you that. Now I don't wanna talk to you no more 'cause I know where you going. - Yeah. - But I'm thinking like, yeah, that's the first part. - Hey, that's how it work though. My favorite teammate. Oh, shit. - Ah, right. - I'm not gonna lie. - Former favorite. - But the owner though, dog, he built this thing for you. - Yeah. - And he don't deserve the help. That's what I don't get. That's the only thing I don't, and I love my sport. I love the league. They do a lot for us. But that's one thing I think that collectively, they should do better with the sports. Because bro, even the Irish, if the Irish didn't have the Reebok, they don't have nothing to do with the NBA. - Yeah. - It's crazy to me. - Yeah. - You can't come to Philadelphia and don't bring up Iverson. - But I imagine they did try to tell people like Iverson, hey man, 'cause I know Chuck. I love Chuck. I love AI. He's one of the greatest to ever do it. Really cool dude. But you would see AI out in the strip club like every night in these different places. I imagine that the ownership and people did come to him at some point and say, hey man, you gotta stop going to the strip club every night. - Don't imagine. It ain't happen. - Yeah. - I hear you, but they'll talk about it in the media too. So it makes it hard for me to believe, right? I'm not, I don't have anything against James Harden, but like they'll mention his name in the media of like James Harden's at strip clubs, right? I imagine that before it is known to us that somebody says something to you at some point. - But you would think, if I'm saying, you would think that they don't ask him. Don't let him talk. - That's crazy. - They didn't say nothing. - It's crazy though. - But I mean, your manager, your agent, somebody telling you something. - Hey, they're still getting their 10%. - But that's separate though. - Still getting his 10%. - But I'm saying that's separate. Like, like-- - But you paying him. - Yeah, I get you. I gotta argue for both of you guys. In an athlete's life, your whole life-- - That's true. - You are the golden child, the number one. When you become the money maker, everything in your life changes. You become the father of the household. You become the-- Everything is on you. At that point, no one can tell you shit. Everybody at that point is an employee. - If I'm making $150 million and you're making not much money and you live around me, you have to operate in my world. Yeah, nigga, if I want a donut, go get me a fucking donut, motherfucker. - Yeah, you're right though. - What are you talking about? And then, and then the nigga's like, I'm not gonna get you a donut. It's like, then get out my house. - Yeah. - And then at that point, you have to-- - For sure. - But that's a good point he's saying because like, you talking about the finance advisors, they work for you still. I'm your boss. But the team, I work for y'all. - Yeah, nigga, go get me a donut. - That's why I'm saying that the message should come from them because they don't even wanna sign your check. - No, the person that works for you is more in charge of that message than the team. - Man, you been there. Like, listen, I'm at a casino, man. I'm down 50. I shouldn't be there. - You're not. - And I'm like, yo, I'm like-- - You shouldn't be down 50. - You know what I'm saying? Why do I need the money? No, I'm not. I just gave you a number of 50. He like, anyway, but I'm saying, if you call your boss, hey, hey. He like, you know, Trey, you don't need to do this. All that bullshit. - At the end of the day. - In that conversation, you gonna do what I tell you because you know why you work for me. - Yeah. - Compared to-- - I agree. - If you work for the team. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm like, man, what? You don't need to be doing this. That's all I'm saying is like the one that is the boss, the real boss. I wonder if it's not even calling people to tell them they traded them after being with them for seven, ten years. Why would they be calling you to be like, "Hey, man, the money thing." They don't care about you. You are a piece of meat that's working and performing for me, and the moment that I don't need you, boy, you go somewhere else. That's the problem. It is the problem, but I still feel like people should have people around them also. Again, AI's person, they essentially said they just put the $55 million away for him. They said, "I do this on my own because you was going to spend it." I think that the team obviously doesn't care. I don't know if it's the team's duty versus it's like. Is it just a structure that exists that it's almost like this is how money moves through contracts would just be a. Then again, you'll say, "Hey, don't tell me how to spend my money," would be the argument. Yeah. If I give you $100 million, I gave you the 100 million. Why is it on me to tell you how to do it? 100 million. 100 million. You know why? Because you've never seen it before. Watch this. Watch them give you a real zip, and I'm Gucci. This man is wealthy. I don't know if y'all was listening to shit he was saying. I was listening to that shit, all right? Now, you got your first million at what age? Not till probably just under 30. Okay. You got your first million at what? 21. Mine's a 20, I bet. So 32. He ain't asking you that. Yeah. Hold up. He said, "We ain't got a million." Yeah. Damn, nigga. Y'all keep working? Check it out. Real big paper came. It took him 12 years to get his first million, where we got our joint at 20, 21. Now, when you got that real paper, the hundreds of millions and all that, what age was that? I don't want to get into your age. I owe you. Well, no. I would say my hundreds of millions came in my 40s, right? Yeah. Because my hundreds of? Anyway, anyway. I will not strike you. Hold up. You don't strike me. I have too many millions to strike. Wait. What was that? You said 40s? 40s, yeah. So look. And so what I'm telling you is. Is that at 38, I didn't understand money and create my wealth until I was in my 40s. So you start with your plan right now. You too can create hundreds of millions of dollars. I get that. In the next. I get that. What I'm saying is like. Don't laugh. That's funny. Think about that. No, look. But you still young, right? But I think how I am financially in my last, my 12th year compared to my first and second year. So what I'm saying is like. It's way stronger. I'm smarter with my money. I'm doing different things. I'm not moving the same. I'm not the same people around me. You learn after a while. Yeah. Yeah. But it took him till his 40s to make that paper like that. Where some of these guys is doing 200, 300 million dollars at 24, 25. And don't come from any sort of background that has any sort of. And I'm about to say. Like we don't have like. Imagine having some real like. Some financial literacy for your family at 20, 21. They don't know nothing. Right. We all in there like. How much we getting. My mom ain't saying it. But she's like. Bring me a new whip. So this is different. All I'm saying is that like. They got to find a way. Because we not them old ass dudes. Not you calling me old. But. Older guys that start getting they money. But we young getting it. So we need more help. No. It's just. My young boys I be working with. But that's what I'm saying. I do so many deals. Now I'm always honest. But I'm like. I could settle with. You move around and shit. How you. Man. We going to defer so much money to later down the line. Because. Because you spending this shit. And you. You can't even get a drink at a bar. You doing your part. Yeah. I don't think the teams are going to like. They already probably feel like I'm giving you the money. Right. From there. I don't. I don't think of those dudes that. Own most of the teams. Are white men. Who own these teams. Who are billionaires. I don't think they're going to. Necessarily teach you. The ins and outs. Or that's. Again. Relinquishing too much power. To you. Now you. Now you putting. You already putting hundreds of million dollars. What power. Into the black community. What power. Now you're. Now you're. Now you're quadrupling it. Yeah. I don't know if those people. Necessarily care to do that. Why would they? Hold on. What the fuck. If I'm paying somebody a bunch of money. It's not my job to tell you how to sell it. No it's not. But it's. It's some. Now it's. I've been. I know a lot of. Owners. Right. But there is some owners that actually do give a fuck. And they will have them conversations. Now. I don't know if they had them with their players. But I've been around certain owners. I mean. I know you have. Where some of the dudes are like yo. Like. I'll give you an example. Mike Rubin. You know the same way he is. You see him on the. On the. Hank. You went to the parties. You been to the parties. Did he party. The way he said that was crazy. I'm saying like. The party boys. Him hanging out. Listen. He was looking at me like I'm in the Illuminati. You been there. You been to the parties right. I've seen that one at the parties. But anyway. He has all the little rappers. And all that shit. But yo. He's giving a lot of them dudes game. And he's owning some of the Sixers. Yeah. It is some owners. That do give a fuck. I'm about to start fanatic. He ain't owning no more of one of the teams. I'm with you. No. He's not no more. But I'm saying there is owners like that. That care enough. To give me some game. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying you gotta hold my hand through it. I get it. I got people that work for me. But when. I look at you differently because. I work for you too. Where you don't have to just do what I tell you. Where the people that work for me. The advisors and all that. The managers. They gotta do what you say. They get in the chat. At the end of the day. They don't wanna get fired. They're getting paid no matter what. That's the problem. They get their. The managers. The agents. No. No. But I'm saying he's telling you to. Run the football. What you mean. It's a job. A task. I do. I kind of. We do get what you're saying. We get what you're saying. We are all here. I'm just saying. No. They are agreeing with you. That's all. Okay. So then I'll say my piece too. I think it's a little different. Because like. You're naming like AI. Like guys in that generation. Because there was also no social media. No phones. They were able to do all that stuff. So often. And you don't get that public scrutiny. Nowadays. If you see a guy. Like. Bad game. You get videotaped. I'm in your comments. So now you're like. Maybe I shouldn't do as much as that. Like they'll see me in the club. Spending this and that. Unless you're at that level. Where like. Money isn't really a thing. Right. Like it doesn't really matter to you. So I feel like. The type of players are different now. Like they're not coming from. Like. There's a lot of guys that come from. A lot of two parent households. That weren't really struggling like that now. That's a lot of the NBA as well too. It's not the same as. The guys that were in the 2000s. That really just had those. Like. Okay. We grew up in the hood. And we made it out. Type stories. There's some. There's still some in the NBA. But it's not as many. And I think that has part to do with it as well. Because they have different. Focuses. And different. Upbringings. To where like. Their parents may be like. Okay. Like. Look. We aren't poor. We aren't like rich. But like. We know how to manage our own money. Yeah. So when you was at the club. The other night. You told me this story. You went out. And you looked at a girl's phone. And what was on her phone? All right. So. First of all. I'm not going to act like. I just be looking at phones like that. I ain't. I made sure. I made sure. I made sure. I say that first. But like. I left. Went to the bathroom. Came back. And when I'm on the way back. I see on her phone. She's typing in. Trey Murphy contract. And I'm just like. She ain't. She ain't a dummy though. She was impressed. Yeah. She's a nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then when I seen that. I was just like. You know. Let me just go home. I think it's just time for me to just leave. Cause. Did she go with you? No. He got it in the bag already. Oh no. See. He. You trying. Oh man. Hey. That's 26 year old him. You know. She. She. You already got her now. It doesn't mean you had to give her anything. You better behave. She showed her phone. So I know you got her. This is an easy win. I have one question for you. I have one question before we leave. For you Rob. If you have money advice to any of. Anybody. In general. At any age. What's advice that you wish you got. Before the age of like. 30. Yeah. Like I said. It's what. What was the greatest gift for me. From learning money. Was just. Setting clear goals. We never. Teach targets. Right. We never measure like. Here is. The amount of money that I want to have. And why I want to have it. And how I want to spend it. And how. Like. Like. You know. Like. Investing it in these things. And it could be an index fund. It could be stocks. It could be whatever it is. But if you just have a target. That you're growing to. That you believe. Is absolute freedom. In your dream. Then you're. You're every. Every step of the way. You're getting closer. And closer. That then. Gets you more motivated. To save more. Earn more. To actually achieve. What you believe. Is freedom. You're going to be worth. Hundreds. Of millions. Of dollars. After this conversation. So. I'm. Going. To. Say that shit again. Hold it. Say it again now. You. Hold my hand. When you say it now. You. Are. Going. To be worth. Hundreds. Of millions. Of dollars. On your. 50th. Birthday. Oh. God. There you go. Pass the raw. Then set it down. Pass the raw. Dude. I want to thank all you guys. Individually. For being here. It is so important. You guys all play. A pivotal role. In my. Conversation. I'm like. I'm about to go. Just make some goals. Yeah. I got nothing else to do. But. I got to get. I got to get a goal. Inspired. A hard part. Be the discipline on them. Yeah. The more you make. You like. I can spin it now. It's like. You can't. Yeah. But. Discipline. Appreciate that. This. Disciplined. Progression. Boy. That's energy. You know. When you're disciplined. You can do it. Thank you guys. Dude. I don't clap. Clap. Man. I am. This is Tony Ayo from The Real Report. With Tony Ayo and Uncle Murda. You haven't noticed how everything keeps going up. Rant. Streaming. your salsa at your favorite burrito spot. But with Boost Mobile, you don't have to play the Will This Go Up Soon game. Boost Mobile offers an unlimited talk, text, and data plan at a price that'll never go up. It's the same price you'll pay for life. Switch now for unlimited wireless at a price that'll never go up, only at Boost Mobile. After 30 gigabytes, customers may experience slower speeds. Customers will pay $25 a month as long as they remain active on the Boost Unlimited plan. I'm Lexi Iwanu. And I'm Lisa DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions, and at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. 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