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Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. Now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills, but it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a try at mithmobile.com/switch. Up from payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months or $180 for 12 month plan required, $15 per month equivalent to taxes and fees extra. Initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes and fees slow when network is busy. See terms. Welcome to fashion neurosis, RM. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure and it's really nice and comfy here. Can you tell me what you're wearing today and why you chose these particular clothes? So this is the the no season of Prada. It's also one of my favorite brands and yeah, you know, leading by Raf Simmons and he's also my favorite. And like to be honest, I'm really these days I'm really counting on my stylist, which is my friend shout out to Kim and he recommended this shirt because usually I really like this kind of like muted and bleached, you know, like dines from the like natural elements. So with this color, I feel really natural and myself. Yeah, it's such an important thing that clothes they have the power to really free you from self-consciousness sometimes. And you're the leader of BTS, one of the biggest bands of all time and you've sold over 40 million albums and you're the only band since the Beatles to have three number one albums in a year. And you have a humility that's not associated normally with pop music and I wondered why that's important to you. I think I never had a wish like to be this big because I always wanted to have, you know, like such influence to, you know, when you become an artist or influencer, then sometimes you really want to reach as many as you can. So when you are in the middle of the pop music industry, particularly, it's really, it feels really easy to be just interrupted to be feeling like you have to make people happy and you have to do that on the charts and you're in the mainstream. So you should keep your influence and impact by the numbers and stuff. But why I chose this thing, no, maybe it's not that I chose somebody gave this thing to me and if there's a reason, then I have a belief that it should be still starting from the like somewhere else, not like you're trying to give people like something. It should be rooted from where you are right now and what you are going through in your actual life and the influences, the inspirations you're having from the life itself. So I think it's all about balance. So, you know, now I'm in the middle of the pop industry, so I have to keep the balance like try to keep the distance from the numbers and impact itself and try to get close to the nature and all those kind of things that are not related to this fast, such a fast era. Yeah, so you can stay connected to the idea that is your inspiration? Yes, because as a young man, I'm 31 by the way, it is really not that easy to be not to be interrupted by all those shorts and rills and clips. Yeah. It makes me really nervous and keep making me feel like I have to do something like every day, every time I have to leave something, but it's gone so fast. So I have my biggest fear for those waves. Coming through so fast. God, it's a real mantle that you're wearing. And was fashion a thing in your home? And I wondered if anyone in your family, who was there anyone who's style influenced you? My father wanted to be a like a cartoon artist. I don't know what it is called in English. He wanted to draw cartoons, but at that time in Korea, it was, we were really poor and we got nothing. So my grandmother stopped him from what he really wanted to do. And my mother was a teacher. And so I think my father had some such craving and eager for something else except studies and jobs and stuff. So he was really quite supportive for what I was trying to do, which is music. And my mother, she was really always trying to give me the stability and telling me not to challenge too much, just be in the safe zone. And I was like a small, like a clock pin going back and forth with my father and mother. So I think I've learned the balance from my parents. And they were they were such great parents to me. Because you've described experiencing a stondile syndrome where looking at certain works of art and feeling overwhelmed by the intensity of what you see. And I wondered if you'd ever had those kind of intense and extreme reactions to any fashion? I still remember when I first looked at the clothes of rig Owens. And he was also in fashion Euro since I know because I washed it. And so there was a store in Seoul. But it's gone right now. Maybe because of the COVID. But I remember like in 2014 or 15, I've I got no money. I couldn't afford any piece of Rick. But I still remember when I first entered the store of rig Owens in Seoul. So there was a big sculpture of him, of course. And all those like black waves and darkness of his world. And the silhouettes, they were really elegant. And I think that was the first time that I've got like such like a like a stondile syndrome for a close. And I first realized that oh, a color called black could be various like this. And I was I got shocked. That's such a great description because he's just so evocative and everything he does is so provocative and also so. moving really isn't it? Yeah, that must have been an amazing experience. I still love his clothes and of course his words. One of my favorite quote from his fashion Euro-sisters was that it went viral. Maybe the people who don't care about fashion is just, I mean, fashion is not their priorities and it could be hot. I love that quote. I know he's so great. I'm so glad you enjoyed that. It was my first guest and he was like a talisman so it's lovely that he comes back into our conversation. He is amazing. Having a business shouldn't feel like surviving a software group project, one app for accounting another for inventory another for sales and somehow none of them talk to each other. That's where Odo comes in and all in one business management software that brings every part of your business together. From sales and accounting to inventory and marketing, all in one powerful platform. No messy integrations, no bouncing between tabs and best of all. No spreadsheets. Stop managing software and start managing your business with one unified system. Try for free today at od.com/vox. That's od.com/vox. 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This is about the many versus the money. I'm a Steadhurnton and this is America actually, catch us every Saturday on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast. And being visible from such a young age, how much of your identity do you hide or reveal through what you wear? I describe it as a life of an undercover. It's like you be a thief and knight and act like a police officer at daytime in the daytime. I think I had a tough time for a long to just admit it. Because when I was in my 20s, I thought that I should have a like an arch and I should be defined and described as just like a one arch. But as time passed by and I got to realize that a human being and an identity could be really. It's always like so much of a complex and complicated and it was all about the contradictions and actualities. So I'm still fighting with all those contradictions that how much should I reveal myself to the others, to the public or how much should I hide my privacy or like I'm still figuring out what to show and what to hide. But I think the best way to reveal your real real things is viat itself for me is music. So I'm trying to reveal my bad things and demons I want to spit out as music. That's what people can really relate to as well. There is no such thing as a completely pure person. It's such a comforting thing to hear that described in music. Yes, it's amazing that when we see the great artists, their personal story could be universal. I think that's the beauty of an art. When it comes to a painter, a sculptor or a fashion designer, architect, novelist, musician, their personal histories and their ways of dealing with their own trials and hardships in their lives. But all we could witness is their results in their final pieces of their digestion. I think that is so beautiful to watch and I always wanted to be as someone like that. Well, you are. I mean, you seem. I'm trying. Yeah, I suppose that is the most. The difference maker is that we try and it continues. That's the thing that drives us forward. And you come across as a very thoughtful person and you cite a lot of literary influences from writers like including George Orwell and Murakami and even Karl Jung. I wondered what was the first book that changed your life? I think. Well, just to add, I mean, I think I've read much more when I was younger. And all those social media keeps making me not to read books. It's getting really harder and harder to watch cinemas and read books these days because I feel like bored sometimes. I could watch the movies on Netflix and we could always stop. So these days, it sometimes. It felt. It feels like a luxury to go to a theatre and make our phone to an airplane mode. Yeah. And just to be just leaded by a single director's intentions and artistry. It's really, really. It's becoming more rare and rare experience these days. So I think my first book, like a stungle syndrome was for books. I think it was Damien, if it's right. By Harman has say. Yeah. Yes. And because I think I discovered the essence and the reality of my. What do we call it? Like. Like jealousy. So interesting. Yeah. Because, you know, Damien has been described like a perfect human being, very ideal type of human being. And the phrases. The start was really powerful. Like about the bird and the egg about the abraxus. So I think I've read it over like four or five times. Really? I think I should read it again. Yeah. I want to read it now. You're describing it as such. It felt like a. For me, it felt like a school life at that time. The bad feelings in jealousy. I've had for the kids, the friends I have in my class. Like very tall, very handsome, very smart, or like, you know, very good at sports, who's always popular from the girls. So I could reflect on my real life even though if I was a teenager at that times. Yeah. I'm not with that. It's such a good book to a fan because jealousy can be such a thwarting and crushing feeling. And I remember my shrink saying to me, I was talking about feeling how bad I felt to feel competitive with someone. He said, "Well, you can treat it as a game and to read something at that young age, so kind of philosophical." And also that it's actually not that bad to feel jealous, it's part of finding out what you can handle. It seems an amazing book. How did you find that book? It was being treated like a classic and very, very recommended by the parents and teachers. I think my parents always took me to the city library every weekend. And I think that's one of the best things that a parent like parents could do to their kids. So they just naturally gave me the chance to reach all those great answers and interesting results of the ancestors. Yeah, God. Yes. Because you have the demeanor of a man with the burden of leadership and how to use his power in a conscientious way. And I wondered how do you deal with the loneliness that comes with being a leader? It's still hard because I was the first the member of the team, the band. And the label did give me a lot of burden too. I put the team together as a team. And we had such different backgrounds from different cities and different tastes, different dreams. So I think I was really like overwhelming or very like a powerful type of like bossy type of leader for the first like eight, nine years. But as the team got bigger and they have their own names in careers, it just didn't work out anymore. So of course, I mean, they grew up a lot also. So after that, I've changed the way to communicate. And I think a leader is just like this, for example, everybody is on the couch and the window is open and it's too cold. So somebody has to close it. But nobody wins to because it's too comfy here lying on the couch. It's so annoying. If a one single person has to stand off and get off the couch and walk a few steps to close the door, then I think that's what a leader does for every part of the team. That's all. That's a huge thing, isn't it? It is a huge thing for some situations. I suppose you by getting up to close the window, you risk losing your place on the cozy couch. It is the act of courage and confidence as well. So I think it's basically just annoying to be a leader. But it's like I just couldn't let anybody do it because I was like, if somebody has to do it, then it should be me and because I just can't watch somebody else just doing it. And if it's not working out, as I expected, then I could be more stressed out. So I think that's why. And when they sometimes just tell me that I know your efforts and I'm really happy to have a leader like you and all those stress they're gone. So that's the beauty of the team. Yeah. Well, you're clearly very good at it because it's a. Yeah, it's been 15 years. I have been living with them and I spend half of my life literally with the six members. By the way, we have seven members in team. Yes. Usually it's four, so we're seven. Oh really? Gosh. The lucky number. Yeah. So it's a lot. Oh, it's wonderful. Because for your solo album, right place wrong person, you worked with Wingsha. Yes. The legendary stills photographer who worked with Wong Kar-Wai and his lighting techniques and framing, they propose you as an ordinary individual, but clearly an exceptional person and in fact, and everyone's obsessed with a mood for love. And it's such a romantic melancholy choice. And are those introspective moods somewhere you feel comfortable? Yeah, that's my favorite album so far because that's my most recent album. But thanks for noticing by the way. That's so beautiful. The photographs and you sorry to remember. So that's my second site. I was really trying to get away from where I was because just by the excuse of that I'm too busy, just doing my role and doing all those schedules, I just realized that I'm too lazy these days for digging stuff and studying all those great art world outside. And when I was walking on the album right before the military, I just tried to get away as far as I could. And Wingsha, of course, I, everybody loves Wong Kar-Wai's movies. And it's really interesting that even the Gen Zs and the Alpha's, there are lots of fans of Wong Kar-Wai still. So I think it's proving that he built such an like his own original world by himself. And all I focused was just to be more chill and not be not too nervous all the time because doing a being a leader of the team in the pop industry, they gave me a lot, but it also they took many things from me. So the one thing was that I was always like this, like, like stuck in, I'll have to do this very well. I want to do this really good. I have to do my best all the time. So there was always some kind of tensions with my whole life. And I just tried to loosen it. And me and my team thought that Wong Shia would be like a wonderful artist who could lead me to another world. Because you always capture the, I think he has such like really sensitive like setups for those frames and the objects. But when he grabbed the camera, it feels like he just does it really rough and just in a second. Really? Gosh. Yes. So it was really new and a fresh experience for me to work with him with a ball to hair. I mean they're so. they're so. striking and that picture of you in a pool of light is just it's like he's able to show more of you than maybe you might care to reveal you know with your privacy but he to see those pictures was very I felt that I learned something more about you to look at them there was such a depth to them and that's really wonderful to hear. It will it will also like it. I mean it seemed like a meeting of spirit and creative kind of it was an old hotel um like dumped and yes and it's just I think it's just being used like like a place for location for shootings these days because I think it's on sale the building but I think it's not solved yet so it was really like a strange place like backroom so I think he is a veteran so he captured the um maybe the blurry concept or the thing that I want to deliver by the in the name of tight in the title of right place wrong person yeah because I think in 2026 most of the people could think themselves like that like when you are in in a company and you're like you feel like you're the only wrong person am I the only one who think like this or who acts like this I think everyone may have an experience of I'm feeling like he or she is a wrong person in a right place or a right person in a wrong place yeah feeling the outsider is a thing you hear a lot of people talking about in terms of loneliness you said it's it's getting it's getting more connected and connected by the phones and the media but it's the contradiction that um people would depression and loneliness are getting light and light these days yeah it is and and you're constantly surprising in your artistic references and I noticed you had Kim Gordon's bye bye on playing on one of your Instagram posts and I love that she's the I know she was also uh on fashion your sister yes she was and I think she's the and everyone knows she's the coolest um um um grandmother in the world I don't want to call her a grandma but it's she's the coolest it is isn't like because I love that her music that sort of punk music that was my generation and it's if I wanted to listen to a Korean singer who embodied that kind of crackle and tension and sort of thing that she has who would I who would you recommend really really strong yeah and intense you should listen to no brain no brain okay you could all you could already feel the you get it or the band is called no brain yeah and um I think the coolest um grandfather who's still ongoing like Kim Gordon is his name is Kim Changwan and he was also in a band called Sanul Lim which is translated as the echoes of mountain it's like sonic youth of Kim Gordon wow yeah I think it's it's it's it's very psychedelic but I think he's truly one of the best Korean artists in the history so I want to I would recommend you yeah no brain and Kim Changwan okay I'm going to check them out that's exciting and you're interested in art and you have a sophisticated taste in paintings and sculpture and I read that you like Philip Guston and Jack Metti and and you have an amazing collection in your home mostly of Korean art and I wondered what was the first piece of art that you knew that you liked on tour when you're doing a tour sometimes you just can't go out because there are a lot of fans and it's really hard to just just be on your own so I was in 2018 I was really really bored and I got nothing to do I didn't know anything except like shopping or playing games in the room so just it just suddenly popped up and the a member of the team called fee just proposed me like why don't we go to a museum and I was like a museum I am not a museum guy isn't it just boring just to go there and but we just went there because we got nothing to do and I saw the paintings of Monae and Van Gogh and Sarah and of course I knew the names of them because I saw them and in the book when I was in school so but it was literally the first time to just have a like physically to have a chance to look at their actual paintings and I think impassanism is still the biggest the most widest open entrance for all of the outside people in the out world so Monae and Ga and Sarah they opened me the entrance and as I got into it like further and further more and more I just my taste became a little bit more of a complex and complicated so yeah um yeah that's how I just got into it because in in the video you have a little sculptor by Uga Rondinoni oh yeah which I love I I once went to his house in New York and he had all these crazy sculptures everywhere it was really exciting I just I just loved how he just added the colors to the rocks you huh and so it just it twisted um you know art helps you make like make a widen for your perception to the world and after I saw the colors of his rocks and stones it I think he gave me a twist of when I when I also see the actual mountains and rocks so I just love that well that's great gosh because you you talked about something called airport fashion and you said people expect me always to wear something new and I wondered what your favorite airport fashion is at the moment um airport fashion is such a good expression yes I serve my favorite airport fashion um I remember um when I first say I think it was like 12 years ago and like 2013 or 2014 and I got to know uh the the collective are the crew are future of Tyler the creator and Frank Ocean are all swathing and I just got to love their um fives and so I was not very rich at that time so all I could buy was the uh the t-shirt of golf wang and it looked when I looked at the picture of those times it's ridiculous because I'm wearing like pink socks and uh the donuts of the t-shirt I mean but I I kind of like it because it reminds me of the times that I was really more pure and younger. And I just got to realize that if you hate something too much, then you kind of like it. Yes, that's so true. If you've really hated, then just gotten no interest. That's such a brilliant point. It's always the something in there, isn't there? Yes. So, it's. I runically, it's my favourite. The pink socks. Yeah. And there are certain garments that make you feel better when you're feeling low. I call it in Korea, baby. Me and my friends call it like the hills. And I have my hills. And they are. I think the nature is always the best therapist. 70% of Korean land is made of mountains. We could go hiking in every city. So mountains, rivers, and the sea. We also have sea in Korea too. They are my teachers and therapists. And mostly the friends. Because I don't like myself sometimes. When I feel like I'm too obsessed with the relationships, I always ask myself, "Could you just please be on your own for a second?" Why do you always need somebody to talk to or to go for a trip? Just could you just let yourself be alone for like a week? And because I feel. Sometimes I mostly feel really hard to be just doing nothing and just being on my own. But friends, I think sometimes they're everything. Family and friends. And art, of course, music, architecture, books, and art. There are lots of hills that I always have to rely on. And that's the exact point. I just finally find myself like I'm too weak. I always need those hills. I suppose part of being strong is the recognised weakness or what people call weakness. But it's just a different mode, isn't it? It's a different place. As long as you don't speak for myself, sink down too far. And then there's so far to come up. Yes, I think being strong starts from amitting your weakness and your defects and flaws. I have too many flaws. You're quite a hard taskmaster on yourself. Maybe because I grew up in Korea. And Korea is such a very intense country. But that's where the contradiction comes through. That's the exact point what made Korea this Korea. I love it, but I hate it at the same time. But I suppose that's also the signature of an artist. I mean, I read this little book about Jackametti once and he tortured himself about his work and was always undoing it. Fixing it. Yeah, but if you can bear to be like that, it's incredible. Yes, sometimes I just don't know any ways, but any ways else but pushing yourself too hard to the edge. It's really too much overwhelming sometimes. But eventually I want to be a different person. I want to get away from this someday. Well, it's good things are phases and you're such a young person and you've done so much. And I think that's the most important thing to me as though when you set your mind to something that you go towards that. So I'm looking forward to seeing your next. On the cover of your new album, "AriRine," BTS are all wearing those be a uniform and it's glamorous and it suggests the confidence to be subtle and to feel like subtleties are more representative of where you are at the moment. Yes, because we had to admit that we are very confused and we just can't reach A-M like a certain very obvious consensus of visions or tastes or dreams. So it was a very confused album. I think I'm still very confused and I think about subtleties a lot. But yeah, I just don't really know. It's very subtle but so we wanted to be very straight forward but we failed. But we didn't know that we were going to fail. That was maybe the place that the subtleties comes from. And those conflicts and the shakings, I think it's where I am right now in 2026. I want to be very certain and straight but I think I always fail. I mean, I think it's the most incredibly beautiful picture because it seems to have all this, it seems to capture the past of each member and even though there are certain similarities in the way that you're all dressed as this individuality that really shines out of each person. I think it's really beautiful. And I was, I mean, I suppose there is no such thing as certainty in a way. And that's got to be good because it means things can evolve and you know, with a lot of ideas that it's just a bit nerve-racking to feel. Because you come across someone with immense focus and in a strength and what does self-discipline mean to you and when does it feel strengthening and when does it feel restrictive? Sometimes I feel like I'm too much of a like a control freak for myself. Just like you must not get lazy. It's not the time to chill out. Like for example, I think the tour is the final, it's one of the final completion of a musician because it's a total package of music, performance, choreographies and visuals, most importantly the fans. And we have this such a community, I and face to face. But once the tour starts, I was forgetting about this because it's been almost seven years that we haven't been on tour because of the COVID and the military. And so it was in a while. And the tour started three months ago. and I got to realize, like, I just, "Man, I have so much time without, but it's such a, I have, it's such a, I have to use a lot, lots of energy to do this." So most of the time, except the actual concerts, I'm like exhausted. But I always try to go out, like, for example, here I'm in London, so I'm planning to go to Haywood Gallery to see the Anish Kapoor exhibition. And I jump too much and the tour. So my legs, they always hurt so much. So it's really hard to walk, just walk. But I always push myself, like, when, because you see this place or exhibition if it's not now. But so myself, discipline is just always about there was two things, like am I controlling myself too much? No, it's okay, you could chill out. It's been 15 years. You're always waited for this moment. No, the world is flowing too fast. You have to push it more. No, you have to chill out. Bro, please chill out. So a fan of mine told me, I just hope you live the life of an undercover, like even more. Like, push it to the edge even more. Like, when you are in the team, just do all those stuff like a pop star, like a perfect, like, like, you could do it even better and better. You just, you should enjoy it. But when you just come back to your, like, private time, just be yourself, say anything, spit it out. I just, you could be, you could do both roles, even more and more and better and better. Just don't try to combine it together. I think that's where your insecurity comes from. And that helped me really much. But it's really hard just to do that sometimes. It's a great bit of advice, I must say. And is there a particular garment that you find attractive on somebody that you're romantically interested in? Yes. I think about it a lot. And I think I also, I kind of want to see like the contradictory image from somebody. Because if somebody could be very, very serious, but very, very ridiculous and humorous at the same time, maybe I think I might fall in love with that person. That's so nice. Yes. Because maybe if I could be with that kind of person for a long time, I could, I feel like I might have a really, really like a happy life and happy times. Such full of content. Talking about maybe the social issues from like political things. And just to like which beer do you prefer the most Belgian or German? I prefer Korean. Something like that. Yeah. I think I find such when I see somebody's very, very I do all the tea. And if you fancy someone and don't like something they're wearing, does it kill your attract? I think I used to when I was young. Because I was like fashion is everything. Like clothes. It's the best way to express yourself. But you know, Rick already taught me fashion Eurosets. There's there was less. And I think as I got a little bit older, I've learned how to really, really respect somebody's taste and a way of expressing themselves. I was talking that I'm learning about it like years ago. But now I think I could say that I became a person like that even more. And for that part, that is the exact part that I want to become like that even more and more. And fashion is the clothes it's really important. Because we just habitually judge other people despite looks and so nobody wants to be judged easily. Because on your album, Ari Rang, you have a song called Normal. And I wondered what rituals do you have to create normality when there's less of it around in your life. And so I noticed on your video when you were showing the art that you made your bed. And I wondered if that was one of your rituals. What rituals you use to ground yourself. To turn off. Right. The word, you know, sometimes a language or a single word could define your entire world. So just my obsession with a word, normality. That was the way. One of the best way to get away from it. Like you should be normal. You should just be one of them. Because I am living like a strange life. But as I got to obsess with the like, oh, I want to be like a normal person. Like I just want to be one of them. And as I got to obsess with it and I just, I think it just runs away from me. Even more. So I just, I'm trying to stop thinking about normality. That's a really good idea. If you turn yourself off, it should be private. If you're not being noticed, I just, I am trying to get away from it. I mean, it's the most incredible album. I've really immersed myself in it and been enjoying it so much. And your process is so rigorous and the effect is both optimistic and the freedom and inclusion. And I love the song "Hooligan." And it has these captivating melodies. And also what sounds like metallic. I mean, I imagine swords clashing like ancient sounds. And how do you bring all these things together? I mean, it's an impossible question to answer as I'm asking it. But it's so, um, you have all these kind of beautiful things happening. And then the effect is just very, very direct and definite and goes straight into the heart. We had a lot of friends and partners who helped us so much. We did the "Sashin' for an album" like three, four months. And we stayed in LA. And we luckily had a chance to work with such a great artist. great musicians and artists that could help expand our world. And Hooligan is also one of my favorites. Is it? Yes, it's produced by El Quintro and he did a lot of music for Rosalia. Wow. So he's a very, very extraordinary and special sound maker. So he brought all those strange and never heard of sound to the session. And I remember Jungkook and Jungkook and J-Hope did make those amazing, like no rain or top lines for and also came up with the word Hooligan. So the credit is, I think I did such a small part of for this album, because the team itself got so much bigger than before. And even the other members, they also have done their own solo careers. And they grew up so much, so I rely. I can't on them so much. So I'm a very, very lucky person and I've learned so much through the process of making the album. And I think I could do better when it comes back to my solo album, The Next. So yeah, it's beautiful on back and forth. I guess. Well, thank you so much RM for being on Fashion Yourosis. It's just been wonderful to listen to you and to connect with everything that you've talked about. It's really such an honor to be here. I might be the first Korean. I'm so honored to have you here. And I just think there's something magical that you've done with your music that you managed to touch people from such a huge age range. And that is really a huge talent, the talent of a leader that you clearly manifest. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I always wanted to have a podcast experience. And I think it's my first time. Really? Yes, I've done thousands of interviews of magazine videos and music content. But a format of, you know, bumping into somebody's home, Kasa and talking with Bella, which is an amazing person. And this was one of my deepest and the most honest and happiest interview that I've ever done. Thank you so much. Thank you. I mean so much. [Music] Running a business shouldn't feel like surviving a software group project, one app for accounting, another for inventory, another for sales, somehow, none of them talk to each other. 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