Riyadh Air Is Coming (and the Year of 'Championship Hanaa')

somewhat scripted this is the 2030 episode 70 dr hannah what's up oh my gosh this is like institutional numbers for a podcast how are you is it institutional numbers i'm no it's not i'm the law i don't think so um i think like we could have been at like 170 had we not taken 700 breaks but you know what we're busy people so it's okay yeah it's okay and we're here i'm good i'm uh in riyadh i'm packing up my apartment we're moving out of this apartment and into another uh hopefully bigger apartment uh same development and so it's weird because it's like and we moved out of here and we moved everything like we moved we took what we wanted and then i was like i'll be back like four times before we need to move out of here i'll deal with it and that was just like one of those over promising things that uh may sound familiar to you and now i'm like there's so much stuff in here yeah uh so yeah i'm kind of like living in this like i'm working and then my fun thing i do at night is pack up a bunch of toys and i'm like when's the last time they played with this thing kind of deal so yeah no everything's good though it's hot here though as you know you know what it's hot here in london it's hot we are having a heat wave obviously it's not as hot as it is in riyadh but riyadh has like air conditioning and the infrastructure for handling the heat and london doesn't and so today is well it's 25 at the moment but it's meant to get up to 30 this week which is like unheard of heat for what okay so and you're good at the switch what's that in fahrenheit like roughly 30 is like are we talking high 80s 90s um it is humidity in there that's no good yeah like 33 is what it's meant to be at the end which i think is like 90 at least no it's bad it's bad for london yeah yeah this is a dry heat i mean everybody talks about it but um this the like acceleration between like 70s and 80s which we had for like two months it was a really nice like jane uh winter into spring here and then like this the switch just like flips it was like within eight days it went from like 80 to 105 and so timed the dismount here really well but um yeah it's it's super hot it's one of those things where it's like because it's so dry you don't you don't feel anything at first you're like oh yeah and you've been in air conditioning all day for me sitting and then you're like yeah it's kind of nice man i was freezing in there and then like two minutes later you're like oh my god like uh i had an uber cancel and they're like we'll send another one in two seconds and in that like two minutes i just started schvitzing pretty hard um but yeah nope nice to see you look at this two in a row can you believe it uh we're really on a roll now i you know this is also we should note uh here at the beginning this is champions week uh the al nasser has won the championship here uh in the spl saudi pro league maybe roshan pro league if you're you know the purist about it and then also a feisty little football club in england has won the epl which my team co-host is a fan of arsenal congrats to you i really want to sing but i'm not going to i think i think you should sing why would you not gonna sing not gonna sing but it is definitely a moment to celebrate um my friends who i texted when we won when we found out that we were you know we won the league um which was you know for a lot of people that don't follow football was hilarious because it was actually a man city v bournemouth game it wasn't we weren't even playing but when they tied i was like oh my god i'm not going to sing i'm not going to sing obviously nobody could surpass us in points um so we came out top of the league so islington just like lit on fire and everybody was out in the streets honking and we we went to the stadium honestly like i took my kids because this was a historic moment um it was actually izzy's idea but it was such a good one and um i just think like my when i texted my friends and i sent a so like okay i'm aging myself but that was 22 years ago um that was the last time i lived in london i didn't know much about arsenal then didn't care at all about football didn't have a boy who's a very very big fan who's turned me into one but it was definitely an exciting moment and fireworks everywhere and now you literally can't walk down the street here without everybody just actually wearing their football kit like everybody is just wearing arsenal all the time so your son your sons or son but one or one or both got you like they chose arsenal and you're like cool like whatever my children want then yeah well they didn't really choose arsenal i mean we moved into arsenal town like this is the neighborhood we live in so it's neighborhood specific i didn't know that whoa okay yeah we're very local like for our family we're local to the arsenal like stadium it's i can hear the stadium when they're playing um if it's a good game so um but like that's what what you know basically that you if there's a game i open the door i walk out of my house and within like three people that i pass by i know there's a home game because somebody will be wearing the scarf or their arsenal kit and it's just very obvious that there's a home game today um everybody's wearing i live so close to the stadium that i you know inadvertently turn my children into arsenal fans um but then obviously got really into it myself and we've lived here for quite some time now so we've seen them come second many years in a row and it's been heartbreaking uh but i was just so happy for my son who knows every chant every song every stat every player every coach you know the history and very much not just the history of the game but the history of the game and the arsenal but of the whole league because now it's such a passion for him so he's currently playing football at the moment i liked it better the past couple years when you guys would get in like second or third because it was so easy it was second like three years in a row or something yeah because i could be like well you know there's always next year and here we are 2026 arsenal you know shakes off the demons what's especially annoying year yeah this is a year right didn't happen this year it would have been bad yeah like the stars aligned this year so if it had really if they bottled it again it would have been really really bad okay but what's really annoying to me though is that you also had your team win the super bowl the other real football american football the seahawks won this year so this is your like year man congratulations on all your success uh in the sports realm and by the way my direct effort as well this is the year of hannah sports hannah will be and i'm we're i don't know if we're breaking we're not breaking news but uh hannah will be hosting a sports conference in london coming up uh as the as the co-host right tell us more about that yes so on june 3rd the i want to say it's the seventh edition of the middle east sports investment forum it's going to be here in london and there was one in real there's been one in milan another one in london previously i mean it's traveled around quite a bit and um yeah i'm going to be co-hosting the event with camel bedouin and we're you know basically um just going to be introducing kind of what's happening in middle east sports in general at the moment and where there are opportunities for building kind of relationships long-term relationships and investment in the region in this in this space um i know it's not really my my my area maybe not before but it is now yeah now they're like oh whoa look look at her teams she knows like she's our good our good luck token um i think what it is is uh just talking about the region in general so having that context and being able to talk about the kind of economic development in the region and what's happening and where opportunities are and where we can be in the region and what's happening in the region and what's happening in the region and what's happening i've been asked to co-host this because my co-host is um very much in the world of sports and so he's uh he's well versed in the actual you know sports actual yeah the the sector of sports but and not that i'm like an investment person either but you know i do understand the region very well and i think that that's the main the main draw that and of course you know i think just having uh it's another north london stadium that is hosting this event which we're not going to mention their names unfortunately um however just living close by being local to the uk uh i think is also part of the the draw no i mean talented communicator uh expert on the region saudi a woman and then also just on a absolute heater when it comes to wins in sports i mean how could they not don't jinx it we still have one more very important game coming up. And which is what? I don't want to talk about it. Well, can you? No, because I actually have no idea. Like, I thought that was it. Is that not it? There's another game? Yes. Arsenal are playing Paris Saint-Germain for the Champions League final. This is like, there hasn't been an English team that has gotten to the Champions League final in a while. And so, yeah. England's doing really well with football this year. So they won the Europa Cup, Aston Villa, I want to say. And there was another European Cup that they won. And now we're in the Champions League final, which is the most important European Cup. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know. It doesn't matter. We won the league. I'm really happy about that. Yeah, well, good time for them to get hot, right? Before the World Cup in the United States of America, which is coming up in June or July, I think. But that's really. Yeah, I'm going to go. Oh, yeah, that's right. You're going. I'll be at one of the World Cup games. Yes. Yeah, okay. Yes, inshallah. Which one? Or like, which city, I guess, are you going to? Yeah, I'm going to be in Miami. Okay. Well, great choice, by the way. Although they are playing in Seattle and it's Egypt v. Iran, apparently, in Seattle. And I really wish I could have gone to that game, but my kids are still in school. So. Me too. I feel like that'd be a really good atmosphere. And there would be a really good crowd to observe around the stadium. We'd be a lot of fun. That's amazing. No, that's really cool. Miami might be a little hot at that time of year, but one of the best. I know, it's not ideal. Like, it's literally. If there was anywhere I could be in the U.S. in the month of July, it would probably be Seattle. Yeah, 100%. Which is normally where I am. Not Miami. It's like the one time that Seattle has superior weather. But, you know. I think that it's just, like, those are the dates that worked for us and I'm really excited, so. Yeah, well, don't sleep on the Americans either. I mean, you know, I know they get an auto ticket, right, as the host nation. They automatically get to compete, but, you know, maybe this is their year. A few years ago in Qatar, nobody saw Saudi, the Green Falcons, taking down Argentina, but that happened, right? Oh, that was so good. Do you believe in miracles kind of stuff? You know, I mean, just don't sleep on us, right? I. Can't even say that with a straight face, yeah. Good luck. This recent feedback via LinkedIn from Reese Agombar. I'm really bad with names, so I really apologize, Reese, if that's even how you say the first name. I'm so happy to see this podcast is back. When I received my job offer to work in Riyadh, it was one of the most valuable sources of info out there for me when I was researching, deciding if I wanted to move to KSA. I love your content, chemistry, everything about this show. Please keep it up. I'm still learning so much from it. Whoa! So, that. Thank you very much. I'm glad you took the job and hopefully we were like a deciding, you know, factor in that. I mean, that would be sweet. Yeah, and I hope you're enjoying Riyadh so far if you took the job. Yeah, thank you, Reese. Thank you for that. Wow, that's like. That's intense feedback. Yeah, that's. Yeah. That's really nice to hear. That's exactly what we're going for. So, yeah, keep it coming, everybody. But, yeah, thanks for that. Feedback. In just a second, we're going to be talking about something that is personally very important to me and very much on my radar. I think it's on your radar too, Dr. Hanna, which is Riyadh Air. Yes. We're going to be talking a little bit about that. And just a reminder that we're not doing news segments anymore. We're folding in news and topical discussions into the first part of the show because it's just way more natural and organic and fun for us to do. And I think it's a lot more meaningful for others. And, you know, and we talked about this before the show, Hanna, sort of like pre-programming. There's so much that we missed during the actual war that may or may not start again. I mean, nobody really knows. All of the coverage of the region and of Saudi Arabia especially, at least that I could see in Western press, none of it had some major stories that were coming out in the kingdom, you know, which was more or less business as usual. I mean, not quite, but a lot happened in that two-month time frame. That just flew completely under the radar. And all the questions that I got from people were like, hey, did you hear any booms today? And like, what's going on over there? Are you guys safe? And we just kind of like missed a lot of coverage. But we're going to be doing that as part of this sort of intro segment. So the intro segments are going to be just us chilling. And then, yeah. So hopefully that's cool with everybody. Yeah. Okay, let's get to it. I don't know if this is a deep dive, by the way. This is like a deep, you know, context or like a deep rant. It's a deep dive, whatever. Let's get to it. Okay. So, Hannah, Riyadh Air. This is Saudi Arabia's new airline that they're rolling out. And we've talked about it a lot on the show, actually, in the past. What I want to kind of do is do an update. I want to contextualize this update in a personal sort of thinking about Riyadh Air because Saudia is the only airline that does a direct flight from Washington and from New York and from other cities directly into Riyadh. When you are traveling for that long, as I have done on six flights in the last six weeks, it is just so nice to go directly from city to city, especially for me, because I don't live like near an airport. I'm an hour and a half from D.C. I'm two hours-ish from an airport. So when you go direct, you go to Riyadh, you come back, which is all about me. Me, me, me, right? You land in Dulles for me. And then it's like, you just went on that long flight. Now you get in the car and sit in traffic and drive all the way back home. Brutal. So when you throw in a connection, it's just like every single time I would choose the direct flight, no matter what. However, Saudia still does not have on its long haul international flights, internet, working internet. And I, you know, I can't be on a plane that long without it. It does work for about, you know, five to 10, and then like you open up WhatsApp and then all your messages like fill in. And then it's like, you're out of internet and there's no way for you to buy more, by the way. So I have started taking these other regional carriers through Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Doha, and also Dubai. I've done all three in the last six weeks and really interesting. A lot of those airports, in fact, all of those airports are fairly empty. Not a lot of crowds in those airports right now, which is, you know, I think, indicative of what's going on in the region, but it just makes me think every time I get onto an airplane, I'm like, where is Riyadh Air? Like, why can't we have Riyadh Air now? Brand new planes, you know, Boeing airplanes forthcoming. And I'm gonna get to that in a second and kind of talk about the state of Washington and its role in all of this, but then also internet, which they will have. And if you've taken the Qatar Airways flight from Doha to anywhere, if you take a Qatar anywhere, it has Starlink and it's like you're in your own home office. You're just sitting there and the internet is actually faster than it is here in Saudi and as fast as I have in the United States. It's amazing. So I looked into this and there's actually a lot going on with Riyadh Air. Their release date and their sort of like market entry point has been postponed and that's not their fault. It's actually the fault of Boeing, which has had some delays in delivery, but just kind of state of play of where we are. So in case you're like wondering, like, where is Riyadh Air? Well, it's coming. In February, Riyadh Air, got its GACA operating approval and in April 2025 operated its first flight, which was not really a flight. I mean, it was a flight. We got on the air and landed, but it was an invite only Riyadh to London Heathrow service. London's really a key part of their strategy. Lucky you, Dr. Hanna, because DC is not at least at this stage. They used at least Oman Air 787-9 for this flight and sort of to kind of, get the testing of all the other things that go into an airline that are not related to the actual flight, although some things related to the actual flight. So they then in January as well, locked in NEO space group for, this is the whole reason I'm talking about this, the wifi provider for the upcoming A321 NEO fleet. Skywaves connectivity delivering speeds up to 300 megabytes per second and Mbps. It's megabytes, right? Yeah. Megabytes per second. And it's free for Sphere loyalty members, which I joined when they first rolled that thing out. And it layers on top of an existing Viasat contract for the 39 of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner signed in April 2025. That was a big signing with Tony Douglas and Princess Rima and was really welcomed in. Is it, what's the town in Washington again? Everett. Everett, that's right. Big news in Everett from Riyadh to Everett. So the first A, 321 is expected in Q4, 2026. And I think the Boeing 787s are forthcoming. That's the big delay that everybody needs to understand. It's all down to the Boeing 787 Dreamliners coming over to be the main flight. So Riyadh Air and Saudia are no longer the only international directs that are long haul. In February, Singapore Airlines announced a four times weekly nonstop Singapore to Riyadh service on the A350-900. which is I think the nicest plane in the world. for commercial travel. And that was supposed to start June 2nd. That's been delayed because of the conflict. But that was sort of like Singapore Airlines saying, oh, we're going to compete with you. We can't have Riyadh Air being the only one to service Saudi Arabia and Riyadh specifically for international flights. There is no date on them actually planning on resuming that, but that was announced. War hits on February 28th, and things sort of slowed down when it came to public rollouts and implementation deliveries from Riyadh Air. But a lot was happening in the background. So their network was leaked on a website called Airport Coordination Limited Network Plan. Yeah, yeah. So I think that's the name of the website, but their network was leaked. And so what you have is 15 destinations at first, and I'm going to read them out here now with a very disappointed face because Washington DC is not one of them. Amman, Bangkok, Cairo, Dubai, Islamabad, Jakarta, Jeddah, Kuala Lumpur, Lahore, London, Heathrow, Madrid, Manchester, Manila, and Mumbai, and of course, Paris. So that is really disappointing to me, but it's okay. Just trust the process and just throw DC in there at some point. Madrid, Manchester, and Jakarta would be unserved nonstop first from Riyadh. So pioneering that. And then there was some sort of mixed messaging in the media. There were some route overlap signals that got out. So industry coverage had flagged that Riyadh Air's Dubai route would put it in direct competition with Emirates, while London, Cairo, and India routes would put it head to head with Saudia. I think there's some stuff going on with Saudia, and they'll figure out how to kind of divide and conquer when it comes to the market. But yeah, and so Jeddah, Madrid, Manchester were confirmed via social media on April 20th. So now we have our first sort of like three destinations. And then big news for Shaboy here. Early May, U.S. application Riyadh Air formally applied to the U.S. Department of Transportation for an air carrier permit exemption authority, seeking expedited DOT clearance. As long as the government isn't shut down, that hopefully goes through. And then more onto the theme of what we want to be talking about on this podcast in the future, which is talent, entrepreneurship, labor development, that. So there has been 2 million applications for people that want to work with Riyadh Air. They have received 2 million applications online and through all of their portals to work with this brand, which is actually kind of a mind-boggling number. They also launched the Nawat Cabin Crew program, which is a train-to-hire pipeline for Saudi nationals age 21 plus, developing partnership with Bunyan for training company. I don't know what that is. Maybe, I don't know, PIF company, who knows? 8-month curriculum covering technical safety, language, and service. And first intake starts August 2026. And cabin crew filling out in 2027. So they've been doing roadshows for this across the kingdom at Tide Division 2030. And the goal of Riyadh Air creating 200,000 direct and indirect jobs, which is a lot. So yeah, I mean, there's kind of a lot going on. Their building in the area, I think, is the most important thing. And as of this month, May 19th, just a couple days ago, public ticket sales opened for the daily Riyadh to London Heathrow flight starting July 1st. Congratulations, Hannah and family. You have Riyadh Air coming on July 1st. And you have a four-class configuration, business elite for Hannah and her family, regular business, premium economy, and economy. So, you know, more or less normal. I think business elite means first. But the first aircraft will have four first-class suites. So I don't know how they're going to handle that. But 24 business class seats, 39 premium economy seats. Anyway, so there's a lot going on. And what I wanted to do is figure out what was going on, if anything going on, right? When you have a conflict in the region, obviously that affects airlines, right? I mean, the first thing you look for, at least we talked about this last week, that I was looking for when there was things going on and you could hear things, but you couldn't find things on social media is to look at air traffic. And that usually tells a story. This is a really big opportunity for Saudi Arabia. I think its airport was open the most during, sorry, King Khaled Airport in Riyadh was open the most during the conflict. And it's a real opportunity for Riyadh Air to step into the spotlight right now with everything going on. So yeah, seven fully built Riyadh Air 787-9s are awaiting certification at Boeing's Charleston, South Carolina factory. So it's not even the state of Washington's fault with an eighth on the final assembly line. So these are going to be delivered soon. Update kind of all over the place, but Riyadh Air is coming. I'm excited, even though it's not going to affect me immediately. Congratulations, Dr. Hannah. Another win for Dr. Hannah in this year of winning. Well, I will say that I'm very excited about Riyadh Air. I obviously would still need to transit and get to Demam somehow if I'm going to go see family, but great to have another airline that goes to Saudi directly because there aren't that many options with British Airways now not flying to Saudi. So I will say yes, while Boeing's historic kind of plant is in Everett, Washington, the 787s are not built in Everett and Princess Sarima was not in Everett. She was more in your neck of the woods. She was in South Carolina. Yeehaw. So that's where they build the 787s in Charleston, North Charleston. Charleston, apparently, which I'm going to this summer when I go to Florida for the World Cup, inshallah. One of the great American cities. Never been there. Oh, dude, man. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah. So one of the reasons why I was also getting into this is because of all of the European carriers who canceled flights. And actually, in late January, I was on a connecting flight through Germany. Which there was some reports about, you know, hostilities. This was like weeks before the conflict broke out. And so they just hauled us all off that Lufthansa flight. And that was awful. Yeah, flew through London for like, extended my journey about an entire day. But yeah, and the European carriers, I think, are still not operating Virgin. Maybe Air France is now. But I mean, so what that does is cut supply in the market. So now you only really have the regional carriers as. Offerings. And had the Europeans been in the market, flights would have been significantly cheaper than, you know, they are. So, yeah. Yeah, it's a tricky time to fly, I think. But I'm still very excited about this. And I think that the other thing, you mentioned a little bit about kind of the training and how many people are excited to work for the airline. But I was looking at some of the partnerships in training and kind of upskilling and or just even like qualifications for the first time. Yeah. There's some really interesting training partnerships that have happened to really facilitate the employment pipeline. So I think on their website, you can read quite a bit about this. There's the overseas scholarship program that they launched with two specialized paths for engineers in Australia and then a pilot training program in the US. So that's part of the actual general scholarship program, the Saudi scholarship program, which is pretty cool. And there's also like what you had mentioned, that NOAC program, I believe. But I think the idea really behind this is to get people trained in like the best possible places. So one of these, the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University for Overseas Pilot Training is a university in the US. I think they have campuses, where does it say, Arizona and somewhere else. But they were established in like the 20s. So it's a really cool program. And I think it's like one of the oldest places that you can train to be a pilot. Yeah, 1926. Daytona Beach, Florida and Prescott, Arizona. So I think there's just some interesting, you know, kind of partnerships that are also forming around training and getting qualifications and skills and expanding where people are going on scholarships, as well as what kinds of scholarships people are taking. I always find it fascinating when people go these kind of non-traditional routes, instead of getting the scholarship to go become an electrical engineer, you're now, you know, kind of, you know, getting a scholarship to go become a pilot for a commercial airliner, which is very interesting and a very different pathway for most Saudis. So pretty cool. Airlines are such a tough business. You know, Richard Branson, who founded Virgin Airlines, he is famous for, he's famously attributed the quote, "If you want to be a millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline." And it's true because there's, it's a very, very difficult business to actually profit off of. What gives you the secret sauce and what gives you an edge is, you know, either exclusivity or limited competition for flying into certain destinations. And that is exactly what Riyadh Air is going to capture the moment it rolls out. Because people will always choose, I mean, as long as price parity is more or less reasonable, they will always choose a direct. And that is fantastic. And you know, again, you don't have pricing power in airlines. There's kayak, you know, there are whole companies that are set up to basically drive the price down, negotiate directly with the airlines. It's an unbelievably complicated business. for Saudi, it does fit into the vision. It fits into the tourism angle, it fits into the modernity branding and the face of the kingdom being, hey, man, we've got an airline that's going to stand right next to Singapore Airlines and be one of the best in the world. And we're going to build for that. So there's just a lot at stake with this in the best possible way, for me, because I'm going to take it and I can't wait for it to be delivered. So yeah. So I think we need to talk a little bit about traveling. So obviously, Ariel Air is an international, you know, all of these routes, but they are going to be flying to Jeddah. So there are some internal flights. Like, I think it might be worth, like for people that are going to visit Saudi for the first time and then get on a flight and travel between cities. What is that experience like? Like, I can tell you my experience of it. And I think that there are some really good stories. And I do feel like there's a conversation to be had about what that's like. Different cabins, different, like, seat partners. Yes, indeed. You know, we could do a whole show on that. I mean, the Riyadh to Jeddah around this time and around earlier in the year, you know, you are one of the more fully clothed individuals on the flight because people are doing the Hajj and Umrah, depending on which time of year it is. Umrah is any time of year. Umrah is all year round. Okay, so that's just all the time. That's right. Yeah. But flights to Jeddah, you will see people wearing their Umrah. Um, they're, or, you know, the basically towels. Yeah, I mean, I've been on several of those flights where I'm not literally, but pretty much the only one. I obviously stick out anyway. But then in that atmosphere, it's just like, hi, you know, white shirt, but you know, pants, right? So yeah, but I agree that it's like, yeah, I think that Yeah, so there's that for sure. But then the other thing that I think that, like, especially, um, cabin crew on Saudi, uh, and probably I haven't really flown finance and, um, I did very often, but I just, in general, I think the thing that they don't get enough credit for is their incredible ability to reshuffle people into the seats that they want to sit in once they're on board, right? Because like, when you book your seat, and you have no control over who's sitting next to you, and people aren't really good at maybe pre booking the seats that they want. But also, if you're flying alone, and you're a woman, a lot of Saudi women still don't want to sit next to men. And so what the cabin crew is amazing at doing is reshuffling and finding a really good spot like, oh, yeah, these three women can sit together, these guys can sit together. It's just I find that is a skill. And they do it seamlessly and very quickly. Like, it's not like it delays the flight by three hours, you know, like, it's all happening as people are loading in and trying to put their bags up in the overhead compartments. And yeah, I just find that to be a skill we don't give them. enough credit for. I'm glad you brought that up. Because the only criticism I have with Saudi is the internet. And that is a big criticism. It's a deal breaker for me. But the cabin crew is always exceptional. They do such a good job. I mean, I don't want to sit next to another man. I don't want to sit next to anybody. But you know, I mean, like, big guys kind of like your worst nightmare, right? Two big guys and you're in the middle of a man to me. Really? on Saudi. Yeah. I was like, really, of all the people on this entire flight, this is who I get to sit next to? He was loud as well. I was like, and on the phone, you know, one of those people that doesn't want to like hang up until like, we're in flight. Anyway, it was a short, it was a short 40 minute, like, this is the thing. Like, if I'm flying between Riyadh and Demand, 40 minute flights, I can handle whatever. It's fine. But it's funny. Like, it is actually, I find it. But it's, but it's also real. I think that's your point, right? I mean, like, and that's what all of us have known for forever, right? Is this national carrier, these other sort of, you know, smaller carriers that are doing regional flights, but you're getting a real cross section of Saudi in a way that you're probably not going to get on the London to maybe a little bit on the London to Riyadh direct on Riyadh air is going to be nice. The airplanes will be brand new. I don't know. But yeah, I mean, I recently flew London to Riyadh. And I was in Saudi Arabia. And I was surprised. Like, everybody on my flight was South Asian going to perform Amra. Like, it is now the thing, right? So post Vision 2030, you have so many more people that are able to just go to Saudi for Amra whenever. That didn't happen before. It was really hard to go to Saudi. And most people would only do Amra if they were lucky enough to get a Hajj visa, you know? So I think it's, it's pretty interesting how now it's, it's like, it's the popular destination. And I've met so many people here in London that are like, Oh, yeah, I went to Saudi three times last year. I'm like, what? But on Saudi, right? So it's just kind of like, now there's gonna be this rival airline. And I wonder, it's, as far as I understand, quite affordable, Riyadh air, especially at the launch. And I also understand. And the thing that's the most exciting bit for me is the fact that they have premium economy, right? So like, having premium economy is really, really important. When you're a larger family, or you have multiple people flying, sometimes business class is just not affordable. And therefore, or if it's not a business trip or whatever. So having the premium economy option is usually like my favorite thing. And other airways doesn't have that. British isn't flying to Saudi at the moment. Saudi does not have that. So what are you left with? Not a whole lot of options, but okay, out there is bringing that to the table. So I'm like, very, very excited about that. Yeah, good point. I mean, you are significantly smaller than I am. So premium economy is like an actual massive size upgrade. For me, it's nice. But kind of doesn't I mean, it does. It's better. There's no doubt. And I'm glad they're they're offering that as an option. Because sometimes the business class flights can just get completely insane. Especially if you like to book very close to when you fly, which is what I do. And I know I should do better than that. But I just kind of I don't know. But that is a huge upgrade. But for a family like mine, you know, with George being one and a half, we are like, you know, 18 months, minimum away from even considering having a family in business class, which would be quite expensive. But then, like right now, what am I supposed to do with a baby in a business class seat, like put them in there and be like, good luck, man, he's just gonna climb all over everything and fall out. Like you can't have a baby in business class unless he or she is on your lap, which ruins the pleasure of being in business class, right. So premium economy does solve for that problem, for sure. Because you have more space, but you know, he's not right on you or completely independent. Anyway, you know, I love talking about airlines, we've talked a lot about airlines, but I wanted to do an update on Riyadh Air, because I think it's, I think it's very relevant to anybody visiting all Saudis, and it's a flagship program for PIF. So, you know, let's, let's go Yala with it. Let's go. That's actually that was one of the slogans on their Instagram kind of post with the flight attendants walking on the crosswalk like the Beatles here in London. Oh, yeah, cool. Dr. Hannah, thanks. We will be back next week. And nice to see you. Congrats on all your wins. Keep stacking them. Thanks. Which I can claim as adjacent to being adjacent to a winner. So that's nice. But yeah, nice to see you. And thanks. Take care. Bye.