‘Rings of Power’ Season 3 Preview With Showrunners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay

[MUSIC] >> Hello, welcome back to a very special episode of House of R, I'm Joana Robinson. That is Mallory Rubin. >> Hello. >> We have two very special guests on the podcast today, and a time travel back to San Diego Comic-Con. >> That's right. >> Early this summer, we had a great conversation with our guys, J.D. Payton, Patrick McKay, the showwriters of The Rings of Power. >> Yes. >> How are you? >> A little season three sort of preview conversation with them when we were all in San Diego. Very early in the morning together. >> That's right. My recollection is Crack of Dawn. I think it was like nine, but it felt like the Crack of Dawn. That's how the Comic-Con experience goes, but it was wonderful. >> We talked Balrogs. >> Love a boy, Kellibor. >> Siding, shout out Vecta now in our second archive Vecta. >> Just a little preview that you guys might want to check in on to get hyped and ready for season three. >> Near days away. >> This is dropping. Our second episode of the Shire Sunday's Fellowship with the Ring episode is dropping. Then we're right into it. Rings of Power, season three, Vision Quest finale, there's a lot going on. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> In the meantime. >> That's right. >> Let's hear from J.D. and Patrick. >> What an unbelievable pleasure this is. >> Real. >> My God. >> Patrick and J.D. in the flesh here with us in San Diego. >> We're IRL. It's crazy. >> This is such a treat. We have so many things that we want to talk to you about. We only have a few precious minutes with you today, so we're going to hit a couple, small things, a couple big picture, existential things. I mean, of course, the four of us are together. How could we not? But we're going to talk to you again at some point during the season, and I'm saying it onto the podcast, so now everybody knows it's true. Here's what we want to start. As you guys have moved deeper into the series, how has the adaptive prioritization and focus evolved? Because, you know, you're driving toward these massively anticipated seminal moments that you've been looking forward to shortly since you set out on this journey that fans have been looking forward to. I assume there are things on the initial day one wish list, must list that have not changed and will not change no matter what, but also some things that the living, breathing organism of the series in real time pointed you in a different direction, now that the end point is moving closer and you're thinking about balance over the hours that are left, how much has changed about what you know you want to center and build the show around and how much has remained rooted in the original plan? Yeah, go for it. I think it all depends on the story you're telling every season, right? I mean, last season, Battle of Region, you know it's going to be huge, and so you build and you organize your resources around that, you point your story towards that. This season it's all about Sauron forging the One Ring, which is huge in its own way because it happens at volcano, but it's also huge character wise for him. And so we really wanted to focus, you know, the season story wise on his character journey. And I think we hope people come away from this series as a whole with, it's that you get to know what it meant for Sauron to be the Lord of the Ring. And so this season, you're watching him go from, as we come in five years later, he's been trying to make the Ring and failing. And we actually have this, this, you know, fun thing where you're going to see a little bit of a try the Edwards with the last time, I like spoiled it, I think, okay, my memory is that. And like he, in some ways, serves as like the voice of Sauron's artistic insecurity, I mean, ours as well, honestly. We've also called him, sometimes Killer Brim Bones because there are some bones that you see of Killer Brim Bore, this season, which is sad. I was going to just talk about process for a second, bring back your question. So when we started this, we were in a room in Santa Monica for 25 weeks, just thinking about what this could be. We had a big idea, we wanted to set a story in this era and, you know, obviously that comes with certain big cannon moments, but we had two whiteboards that we worked on with a team of really amazing writers. One whiteboard was fun middle-earth stuff that like we could pull from or that should be somewhere. The kind of creatures you like, the worlds, the places, like the things you think of when you think of middle-earth and Lord of the Rings. And we had another board, which is like season, series wide events, right, and we plotted out across five seasons, where should big things come, right? And right in the middle of that chart, the one ring is forged. So you're building a whole season around that. And then the part that is more improv, not really the right word, but like, is when you're coming to an hour and season three, well, we know that's going to happen, but what does it mean? Now that we know these characters on such a more granular level, having, you know, in 16 hours of television with them, you know, how is that Charlie Vickers version of his hour on going to feel about that and what are things that Charlie Vickers brings to it that we can hopefully lean into, hopefully make it even more impactful. So you're, I mean, really, weirdly, the plan has never really changed, but it's gaining definition, right? Right. Like, you're getting to a greater level of zoom or clarity on what each individual moment feels like looks like and all of that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, yeah, before, like, you know, there have been some seasons where the story is demanded that you go broad and big, and this is a season where it demands you go deep into a volcano. Into a volcano and into a character, but will you delve too greedily? Oh, very good question. Maybe, maybe someday. Not in Toronto. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Oh, no. Just for nerds sitting at a table. That's what I'm talking about makes you like Comic Con, how weird. Where's the fourth? Okay. Okay. All right. As you know, our listeners love homework. And so I'm curious, I mean, the text is the text, but are there any sort of nooks and crannies of the text that you would most encourage them sort of to look into as they prepare for the season? To prepare for the season. Wow. Um, I mean, always been next to me, there's, there's, you know, always to be, you know, stuff. Well, there, what I would say and, you know, disagree with me, uh, JD, if you want, um, I think there are more big, like iconic canon moments, canon moments this season. Um, that we're adapting. Then we have done before, fair to say, um, but I weirdly don't want to say what they are. So other than we've talked about it, there's going to be a volcano and there's going to be a ring and there's going to be a saueron. Um, but that's one of, I feel like three, four, five, there's some kind of moments in new and or that, uh, are coming also and, and just, you know, big picture war of the elves and saueron and new manores involvement that is really rooted in, hopefully stuff people have been waiting to see adapted, um, so weirdly, that's a non-answer, but, you know, you know, yeah, I mean, there, there's stuff from the somewhere, there's stuff from the somewhere that we don't have the rights to, but it is in the acalibeth that, you know, definitely the season plays, plays jazz with. So I think reading the acalibeth will, uh, give people a deeper appreciation of some of the things that are going on. Maybe we should do this. Maybe we should do, um, everything about the lateral and caliburn and the way they talk to one another, their interaction, all of that's like deeply informing how we're, you know, approaching that. We're doing a love story this season in a way that the show has never done. Um, we want to tell you about this. I mean, unsurprisingly, because this is a very horny podcast. And, uh, whatever you mean, I know, shocks everyone to hear that, um, you mean, but the bell rock, like horn. Yes, yes, yes. That as well. Honestly, fire of a different sort, um, you know, we were clutching each other watching the trailer yesterday, like some sexy moments, which is exciting. There, there, there's a great cut this season actually from glad drone, caliburn in just a short moment to a big flame. All right. Fantastic. We love this. I like to cut in the trailer to Sauron, like Sauron likes to watch. Well, so this is, this is, as always, we're very much in sync here. Cause this is what I wanted to ask. You know, we often had moments covering the first two seasons where we thought and then said aloud, uh, should we be mortified and embarrassed about how many times we've said on this podcast, hot Sauron, who fucks and how much we're shitting Galadriel and hot Sauron. But of course, like fans who have, uh, who love the books, who have, love the films have some context for caliburn and Galadriel and everybody is just, you know, overjoyed in forex that Jamie Campbell Bowers here playing caliburn. So what felt most important to establish right away, you know, what's calling him, lover boy and the press, right? And talking about the yearning, do you feel a need to actually like counterbalance what has naturally and organically toxic in the band? Okay. Okay. Okay. It's all in the brew and the conflict in the human heart is part of the point. The latter. All right. All right. I go ahead. No. No. Please. Uh, something that we talk about sometimes with, with any human relationship, uh, is that, you know, people are one thing when they're by themselves and then a relationship brings out different qualities. Like, you know, we talk about, um, sodium chloride, right? Sodium has an identity on the, on the periodic table. Chlorine has an identity on the periodic table. You put them together. It's salt. It's a different thing. All right. You know, so Galadriel has her Galadriel identity and she has the Galadriel Sauron identity. Now you're going to see the Galadriel caliburn identity and it brings out completely different like characteristics of her that you know, you've sort of seen seeds up before, but now you get to see a different part of her. You're going to go back and meet in the first age and see how the two of them met and it's very inspired by, um, by Edith and Tolkien actually, by, by their meeting and, um, you know, some other things from the, the, the lore and, um, you know, then we're going to sort of see this like whirlwind romance that then gets interrupted by war and it's, it's, it's, it's, it has a real epic thrust to it. Um, I did slap what indeed when we saw the trailer, I thought as the words came out of my mouth, I said, oh my gosh. He said, Pastor, when I, when I, when we saw them dancing in the trailer, I did hit Malorie because like that is such a core Tolkien sort of personal story that he put into the text that we love to see. There's a, that's from a really cool scene and when you see the whole thing, we can talk about it someday. Okay. A really cool cinematic thing. That's right. It's very, very hard to put together. We wanted to do like a we wanted to do a dance, but how do you do that? It's so cinematic and how do you do it a cool way and you know, I hope you guys like it. Um, I just want to say one more thing on this, particularly topping. Uh, uh, um, uh, we're not all about the like hit the thing on the head. Um, and the fact that people are shipping or talking and all of that stuff, like we're not really thinking of it as consciously, I think as some people who watch sometimes think we are, but like the subtext of that these two understand each other glad real and sound run that is in the books is tantalizing and interesting and filled with drama. Uh, um, you know, and I think there's lots of ways to interpret that as if you were in as long as it's entertaining you great. Okay. Not answering. No shame. No shame. Chris. That's another way of saying no shame. Love that for us. Um, but also how is that going to impact gladger on teleboard? Right. You know, like, you know, when you get back together, it's of the event with for a thousand years and you realize they're changed. Um, and then you realize how they're changed. You know, that's, that's a journey of exploration. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The line of the trailer is he's like, we have to stop Sauron. I was like, Oh, buddy, you about to learn some things. You wish you didn't know. Um, we, you know, we're, we're running this a little later, but we did just watch the amazing rings of power panel here at Comic Con. It was incredible. Our guy, Rob Eramayo, was not here. And so I just, we just, we got updates on all the characters of the actors who were here. What's our guy Elron up to? What's Elron doing? Great question. Um, we have the privilege with working with so many amazing actors who are busy. Yeah. So we couldn't bring everybody this time. You mean, BAFTA award winning Rob Eramayos? I like to say he's one talented bastard. There it is. Is another one. Rob, if you're listening. No. Which was the most of all that was if you see an I swear. Yes, exactly. Elron has a really cool season. Um, he is going to Numenor with Gilgalad the King of the Elves to ask, uh, acting King Farrison for help in fighting Sauron. Um, and it becomes quite political and thorny, right? Um, and it's also Elron going to his brother's kingdom. Yeah. And, uh, we're going to have a scene where you have a Rob and Rob playing Elron and Elros in a flashback. Um, and it's almost speak on golem where you know, it's two, it's one actor playing two different parts. Oh my God. And it's amazing to watch, like to be on set and see the like such specificity that he brought to Elros. Uh, you know, the way he his face moves, ways body languages, it's completely different than Elron. And then it's not just Elron. It's it's Elron, like a thousand years before the show. So he's like younger and more innocent and, you know, a little sweeter, more soft spoken. So in some ways, he plays three characters this season. Elron of the current timeline. Yeah. Elron, you know, at the beginning of the second age. Um, and then Elros. I love that. A lot of flashback stuff this season, then. Um, that is major thing. We mentioned both. We just had to leave time for the talking Balrog. Sure. Yes. I can't wait. Yeah. Um, and you only can't wait for that. Yeah, I know. I mean, we're probably saying too much about this already, but, uh, at the risk of saying more. Um, it's going to be really cool. Um, and when you're thinking about something like that, I think, you know, someone of us was saying this in, uh, to somebody yesterday, but, um, the Balrog's a character in the show. Right. He's not just the monster. Um, they're intelligent. They're cunning. We know this from the lore and the books. Um, but for us, as dramatists, adapting that material, it gives us the opportunity to use. It gives us the opportunity to show you a different side of him. Yeah. And you've seen before. And the idea of, what if we, if we were to visit the Balrog again, uh, in a third season, what could we do that we, unlike what we've seen before or done before in the show? Um, and doing a scene of drama. Um, you know, he'd be somebody who might not be afraid of Sauron. Right. How is that going to make Sauron feel? Let's get those two in the dialogue. Um, Meyer to Meyer. Yeah. Um, yeah. Um, um, it's a huge risk, um, for me as a viewer, if I hear a creature's going to talk. Um, but we're collaborating between, uh, Charlie Vickers. Okay, you're in good hands. Yeah. Simon Pegg. Simon Pegg. Part of him. Yeah. Okay. Who's like, relishing the idea of playing a villain and, you know, it's, I mean, great. And then, uh, Jason Smith, our visual effects supervisor, who is like, you know, I mean, he's starting to get sung, but I want to say he's the unsung, uh, thing behind the show. When people talk about that they like the way the show looks, that's 60%. Um, um, those visuals that, that people really seem to go back to again and again and again. That is him elevating practical builds and locations constantly. And our director, Stephanie Schwartz, uh, who did an amazing job working, uh, with, with Charlie, uh, you know, to, to bring it to life. And, uh, he's, he has such a lovely style of, of filmmaking. I, I want to ask you guys about your journey with your fandom, with your Lord of the Rings fandom. Because here you talk, like, I think it's, it strikes us and I'm sure anybody who's paying any attention to this must just be an incredibly taxing and challenging undertaking. Right from the word go. So your, but you look around. What's funny is it's not, it's never the things that you think are going to be taxing that are actually taxing. Like, you know, the things that, you know, I think people think are taxing. Or actually, that's the joyful part. Uh, you know, I mean, like digging deep into Tolkien and figuring out how to do to, you know, uh, adapt the legendarium. Like, that's the joyful part. That's the fun part. That's the part you, you could do 25 hours a day and still have more energy because it gives you energy. Like, there's, it's, it's sort of all the stuff around the periphery that you have to do. It's the maintenance on the car you have to do to keep the guard car going. Driving the car is fun. Has that changed at all like your relationship to the things that bring you joined the universe? Because, you know, hearing right now, just the way you talked about the bell rock and creatures talk, right? There's this like kind of aspect of identifying something that is true about the world that you are excited to explore. We were at the panel yesterday, you know, hearing the way that you guys were talking about the cell beast or the thrill of taking the camera inside our door. Or the one that really hit me was, you know, the reverence with which you spoke about getting to look at the water colors, looking at Tolkien's water colors and the family and taking inspiration. And thinking about the original seed, right? And then where you all are. And something we've gotten that, you know, had the privilege of talking about with you guys before is the idea of gardening and subcreating in this universe. And like, you've gotten to do that, which is the dream, but also quite challenging. So are the things that you love about getting to make this show and about getting to play in this sandbox and subcreating this universe? The same as they were when you started, are there parts of the story that speak to you differently now that you've been so intimately involved in bringing this adaptation to so many other people? There's a lot there. And very different for both of those, actually. I think we should both think of that as a good idea. Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, what I would say is, I think we think of ourselves as adapters, right? We're adapting this material. We're trying to bring it to the screen in a way that honors it, but also as accessible to people who maybe have never even heard of it. Right. I would say it is really challenging to make shows like this. There aren't a lot of shows like this. And the reason is because it's just not easy to remember. It takes three years to make a season of this show. We are writing and posting the last season and writing the next season at the same time, then you're filming for a year, 300 shooting days, right? Like, then you are posting for a year. It takes 45 weeks to do the visual effects in a season of this show while you're writing the fourth season of this show, perspective season of this show. And while you're out doing PR and while you're doing PR and you're going to Comic Con and talking to podcasters watching the red socks. Don't talk about it. The Orioles, we're recording this right after the Orioles through red socks, 14, 15 game winning streak. We were at dinner last night. Her eyes kept going to the monitor. This is going to go sideways if we're not careful. But what I was going to say is, at least for me, I think the thing that continually is renewing is being able to work with, you know, the people who are drawn to this material are the greatest craft people and artists like working in the industry. We talked about Jason Smith, but our production designer, Christian Milstad, he's amazing. Look at his credits. He's worked on so many cool things, his mind works in such a brilliant way. And every day we learn from working with him, our costume designer, Libby Dempster, the costumes in season three. I think we feel are some of the best we've ever had in the show. Charlotte Brantstrom, our lead director, collaborating with people like this and coming up with new ways to tell stories, and we're thinking of it cinematically all the time. So things like, "Soul runs in a volcano forging a ring." That's a collaboration between us and dozens and dozens of people who are coming up with what are the visuals that will tell that story in a way that feels tokenian because talking didn't write about it, other than he did it. We don't know what dark magic went into that really. And so you're imagining it within the framework of that universe, but it's also an enormous technical challenge, right? It's a volcano. What does that mean? What do you build? What are you building in the computer? What is Charlie playing against? And that problem solving is thrilling, actually. And to be solving a new problem, what is the dance sequence like in this version of an adaptation of Tolkien? That's really thrilling, and it keeps you from thinking about the fact that it's been eight years and you still haven't slept, and you're working 70 hour weeks and you never see your family, and your friends don't recognize you anymore, and you're 45, and I'll just keep going. So there's something that Tolkien talked about himself in terms of his own creative process, and that he would move between two different poles, and sometimes it would be the language, and he would be deep in working in developing the language. And then sometimes it would be the story, the mythology, and the two sort of grew together. And for me, that's where a lot of the joy comes. I love the language. Ring a servant? Yes, that's that's that's that's that's that's really fun, but then just also the beauty of not necessarily even just like the the dialect, the black speech versus it. Sinder and Arquania or and any other Runecker crystal but like just to be the even in English of just the way in which Tolkien is able to express himself, and so finding times in which talking like either direct quotes to the book like slide right into and feel appropriate dramatically is is always a joy. But then also find in the moments of existential clarity that I think is such a uniquely tokenian thing where characters have gone through all kinds of difficulty and darkness and pain, and and where it's those small ones of two characters connecting where they're able to find a little bit of hope. Those are all, that's kind of the thing that, you know, in some ways, like makes it all worth it for me. Like all the long, long days, because my hope is, is that, you know, those moments go out to an entire, you know, world of people and that someone somewhere is going through their own kind of darkness and then they see the characters processing it in Tolkienian language, in Tolkienian beauty, in a mythological framework that sort of bypasses, you know, you know, everything else and just hits them on that soul level. You know, Tolkien can do that like no one else, and for me, that's where the joy comes. That is our experience watching the show and getting to talk about it together, genuinely. - No, we talk about this all the time. We love your show and then even-- - You guys are so nice. - Well, and then, like, even more somehow, we love talking about your show, talking to each other and then the scholarship that it requires to dig into the text and sort of catch the references you're making or the connections you're making is so fun for us. So thank you for that. I know we're almost out of time. Can I ask one quick rapid-fire question? - We'll be, we'll be, we'll be, we'll be, we'll try to take that and be-- - No, no, no, no, no, that wasn't, that wasn't a good question. - No, I mean, even my spare podcast so we would never. - Absolutely. But you just mentioned how your friends are recognizing you and all you do all the time is work on the show. But is there anything that you are watching that is not your own dailies that you are loving? Are you Odyssey guys? Like, where are you, are you a Cape Fear guy? - I know you love your pulpy TV. - A couple things, JD has not seen Odyssey yet, right? - No spoilers for the Odyssey. - I thought, I've, I mean, you know, it's a, it's been around for a while. - Oh, I don't know, I don't know, this is it. - I mean, I don't want to say too much about it. I mean, it's undeniably amazing, right? - So good. - But let me talk about something else. The thing in the last couple of years that we watch that we really talked about a lot, we love Andor. We are crazy about Andor. - That's nice. - And, and, and we feel like it, like it, and somebody set the bar for the adaptation, because, you know, what it did is, it changes the way you watch the original movies. - Yes. - You know, I hate the Empire in a profound different way after watching Andor than I did. Just, I mean, there are the big bads and the big spaceship chasing, little spaceship. And it all works mythologically. But when you see like the evil of the bureaucracy, how it corrupts the soul of everyone even involved in it, you know, you, you, you then proceed the Empire differently when you're watching a new hope. And, you know, sort of like the hope is that like, you know, this show can do something similar for like for Sauron. We're like, you know, after you've gone through by scenes that brings a power, you'll see the flaming eye in the sky in a different way. That's the one, we, we should be so lucky if that's the, if that's the bar we could spot it. - All right, you're like, dead drum. Think you're in our hands. - She's, my favorite character on that show. - Yeah. - Actually, she's been, oh my God, so great. - Yeah, dead drum serial art. - Dead drum serial art. - That's great. But I mean, I think like, you know, it's no coincidence that we're also working on a prequel to a large, you know, beloved, you know, property in the fandom. And I think for us, that show in particular, it just was like, what an incredible balance of doing a premium drama for a serialized television audience that also feels like Star Wars. And I think, I think we aspire to, too similar, hitting a similar bar with this show and watching Tony Gilroy do it while ice skating backwards seemingly effortlessly was, you know, really for us, I would say. Is there anything else you want to wrap? - I don't know. I watch a ton of bluey because I have little kids. - That's right. - And like, it's the kind of, like, as an adult, like, sometimes they'll go to sleep and I'll watch it on my own afterwards. Like, you know, and like, with a single tear going down my street, I mean, it's like, it's legit a great TV show as an edition of being Child and Childs Entertainment. - Absolutely. - What else? - I don't know. - We can go for really long time. - I watch Fluribus. I watch recently when they like Fluribus is cool. And actually, very kind of like an interesting, like, Saron, like, you know, adjacent thing because it's like, you know, in some ways, that's like Saron's ideal world, right? Like, where everyone is like, one mind and like, you know, it's all perfect, but there's no freedom. Like, that's what, I think Saron would watch Fluribus and like, point to it and say, that's exactly what I want to do. - Like, we're eating people, yeah, let's in the milk car, eating people. - Yeah, exactly, like, you should all let me do this 'cause that world would be perfect. It's our answer, I think. - But by the way, it like, tells you everything you need to know that all of our references are from 18 months ago because we got swallowed by production for a year. - Never in a long time to talk about Andorra. - Absolutely. - That's a core belief of ours. This was such an incredible treat. - It's just so much. - He's come back and talk about it for a long time. - Yeah, definitely. - Yeah, personally. - Like, cannot wait to hear what you think of the season. - Like, yeah, yeah. - Can't wait to watch it. - Watch it, yeah. - I want to know why. - Thanks, guys. - Thank you so much. - Cheers guys, great to see you. - All right, just a quickie, little chat with Jenny and Patrick or our, I mean, love them. - Love them. - I love listening to them talk about Tolkien so much. I'm really excited. We've been doing our rings of power rewatch. - Yes. - Yes. - My time rewatching season one, not only did I encounter so many lines that you and I enjoyed together, but also I remembered so many lines of season one. - Is it just because I watched those episodes like 900 times over in that crunch when we were covering "House the Drag" and it rings apart at the same time? Is it because my mind was a sprayer and more elastic than who's to say? - All of the above, but I think more than any of it. And the fact that it was our first opportunity to travel to Middle-Earth together. What it really is, it's that Waldric is and has always been the patron saint of Fassabar. - Yes. - Power. Aviano, Sauron Vest. Can't wait. We're only a few days away from rings of power season three. It was so fun to cover the first two seasons together. I'm very excited for season three. And it's just, it really is always a treat to chat with JD and Patrick about this, the show, and their love of Tolkien. Their love of Lord of the Rings. - And story in general and language. An unusual release schedule for the season of rings of power. They're dropping four. I'll just talk to you. Talk to you about the first week. They're dropping four episodes at once. We will be covering them. The first two episodes on one podcast and the next two of, so one in two on one podcast, three and four on another podcast. - That's right. - There'll be two rings of power episodes from us to cover four episodes of television. - That's right. - Comment up next week. Along with the Vigica quest finale. Along with Fellowship of the Ring project. - Fellowship of the pod has begun and it's not stopping folks. Who are we thinking today? - Oh, JD and Patrick. - JD and Patrick, thank you. - I'd like to thank Simon Pegs, Belrog. - Yeah. - Vigica, who's here with us? - Yes, take a format. - Brooke Blumberg. - Oh, shout out Brooke. - Yeah. This is when I met Brooke in person for the first time. - Courtney Brown, delightful. Thank you, Courtney. - Just the legends both. And if we kind of time travel back in our minds to who was with us at the Hilton Bay Front, that day in person, Carlos, who's also here now. - Yeah, our Gina Ranquipal. - That's right. - Olaia, shout out Olaia, who was there helping everybody for the Ring of Rose crew. - And they're ready with that movie. - That's right. - The lighting master that is Sarah. So thank you to everyone. - Thank you to the lovely gentleman who took us in a golf cart to make our universe panel. On time, right after this, that was fun. Remember that? - I do remember that. - Great stuff. Great stuff. We had a day at San Diego. We will be back again with Shire Sunday's episode two, or Delaware Rings of Power, with Vision Quest in the middle. We're quite busy. We'll see you soon. Bye!