329. Ride or Die - The Murder of Shea Briar

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Our sources for this episode are the starpress.com, caselaw.findlaw.com, primetimer.com, crime online.com, Wayne.com, California news.yahoo.com, dailystandard.com, mercercountyoutlook.net, people.com, CBS news, oxygen.com, law.justia.com, barefreamin.com, and the independent.com, ride or die. It's a phrase we use to describe those closest to us. The ones that we would do absolutely anything to protect. We would go to war for, take a bullet for, maybe even bury a body for. Typically, it means that you have a bond like no other. Usually, we don't mean those things literally. And I say usually because that's not the case for everyone. For some people, loyalty goes beyond words. It's actionable. It doesn't have boundaries when it comes to right or wrong. For some people, right or die isn't just a figure of speech. It's a price they really are willing to pay for friendship. And sometimes that price is actually their future. So for today's case, I'm taking you guys to Indiana, to a quiet rural area called Portland. This is a farming town in Indiana of only about 6,300 people. It is here that Che Breyer is just trying to live a quiet, respectable little life. It's actually a far cry from where Che grew up. He was born just 25 miles away in DeSoto, Indiana on March 9, 1988. But his family actually ended up moving to Kailua Hawaii when he was around kindergarten. And so that is where he spent most of his childhood and basically where he would say he was raised. And he was raised here in Hawaii with his mom Tracy and his stepdad. Now growing up, Tracy, his mom described Che as, quote, a little rascal. But he was always polite and kind. He was a well-mannered little boy who went to church with his family and loved to play with GI Joe's, which actually inspired his goals later in life. That was to join the military. Che graduated high school in Hawaii in 2006. Not only with honors, but he was also the co-president of his class. And then after graduating, he enlisted in the Navy. He graduated from training in 2008 and was stationed in Washington. Now there he became a master of arms before moving on to deal with dogs in the canine handling division of the military. Afterwards, he was deployed to Italy for a while before being honorably discharged in 2012. And at this point, she's kind of wondering what his next moves were. And when he thought about putting down roots, it wasn't Hawaii that came to mind despite that being where he had lived basically his entire childhood. Che had always summed with his grandparents back in Indiana. And it was something he remembered fondly. He felt Indiana was the place where he wanted to raise his kids one day. Not to mention, Che kind of had those farmer instincts. He was the kind of guy who loved tractors, loved the idea of living off the land. He just wanted that quiet little life. A simple existence on a remote piece of land with little outside noise. So Indiana just felt right. Che moved to Portland, Indiana, close to his other family members, and ended up getting a job as a heavy equipment operator at the Jay County landfill. And when he wasn't working there, he was helping out with a family members farm. Now, everyone who knew Che at this point in his life said he was easygoing, respectful, but also fun loving. He enjoyed letting loose having a good time. He was warm, funny, just an all around good guy. So no one could make heads or tails of what happened. One cold night in January of 2020. On the evening of January 11th, Che stopped by his local church for a pasta dinner. The renewed connection he had with his faith was something that made him pretty well known around Portland. He'd often be the first one to church events and the last one out, which was kind of what happened during this church dinner. As he said goodbye to some of his friends, he told them that he would probably beat them all to church to the next morning. They nodded, laughed it off, knowing it was probably true. But unfortunately, fate had other plans about seven hours later. So around 1.50 AM, a call is made to a 911 dispatcher. The person on the other end of the line says they were driving on 125 west north, passing over a bridge when they saw someone on the side of the road. And the man appears to be injured. Again, this is at almost 2 a.m. And when the dispatcher asks, "Okay, will do you need EMTs?" Their response is "Quote." He said he is injured and needs an ambulance. Yeah, he definitely needs an ambulance. Who the what? But he's not like he's not so here at least. He's not responding. I don't know if it's drug. I don't know. So an officer from the nearby Geneva Police Department is dispatched over to the scene. Now, this road is pitch black, it's windy and freezing. outside, it's been raining for the last several days in this area in Indiana. So the whole area is dealing with floods and ice. And as the officer pulls up onto this overpass in what truly looks like the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night, he sees the guy that this 911 call was about. The man is lying on the side of the road, but there's no car in sight. So the first thing the officers wondering is, how did this guy even get here? But when he gets out of the vehicle and approaches the man, there's a lot more questions than that. For starters, the man can't seem to get a word out. The officer walks up, he's asking him, what's your name? What happened? How did you get here? What's wrong? And this guy's response is just groans and moans. So he's clearly in pain, but the officer can't even tell why there are some blood drops on the concrete, but apparently the guy has also been kind of hitting his head on the pavement to keep himself conscious. Okay. So as the cops stay with him waiting for medics to arrive, he reaches into this guy's wallet. He takes out his ID and that's when he confirms his identity. It is 31 year old Shay Breyer, who had been at that church dinner hours earlier. Now he doesn't have his phone with him, so the officer's not able to determine much more than this before EMTs arrive. But this area is so remote, it does take another 10 to 15 minutes. Honestly, it's kind of a miracle anyone even found Shay on this overpass to begin with and decided to call 911. Eventually the EMTs do get there though and they load Shay into the ambulance and rush him to the hospital. Now based on his state, doctors believe he was out in the freezing cold, like at least outside, maybe not on the bridge, but outside for two hours before he had been discovered by the caller. And as for the mystery injury itself, doctors discover a gunshot wound in his back. But there's no exit wound. The bullet is still lodged inside Shay's heart. When he gets to the emergency room, doctors rush to operate, but Shay doesn't survive the procedure. And he dies right there on the operating table. Now meanwhile, Shay's friends and family wake up the next morning and show up to church expecting to see Shay. And when his pastor pulls into the parking lot and realizes Shay's truck isn't there, she actually senses that something bad might have happened. Like I said, Shay is never late. He doesn't miss Sunday services. So of course, word of Shay's absence actually moves quickly through the small area of Jay County. And once his gets back to like his grandmother and his aunt that he didn't show up to church, they start calling around to police stations and hospitals, trying to track him down. But no one gives them any information about Shay. And it's not until later that day that the police arrive at Shay's house and break the news to his roommate. The roommate then has to be the bearer of bad news to Shay's family, telling them, I guess Shay was shot last night and actually died on the operating table at the hospital. Meet new grippy setting mist from Mavily New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. Just clump to a hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Mavily New York. Now for Shay's friends and family, this is inconceivable. They cannot think of a single person who would intentionally do this to Shay. Police start the investigation, they speak to his coworkers and none of them can think of anyone either. At first, it feels like police will have to throw every resource they have at this case. Yeah, and because of where he was shot in his back, they're like, well, it 100% sure, basically, it wasn't him himself. Yeah. But less than a day after his death, clues actually do start to surface in this investigation as do a few people of interest. Now, there's one person that's pretty important to Shay that police think will have some answers. And that is the mother of Shay's one-year-old daughter. So I hadn't mentioned yet that he has a daughter. He does. She's one and her mother is 29-year-old Esther Jane Steven. So let's talk about the mother of this, his child for a second. Esther is a local high school softball coach who also runs a daycare center out of a local church. Now, she started seeing Shay back in 2018. So two years before he was found on that bridge, but the situation was pretty casual between the two of them. But that after just a few hookups, Esther gets pregnant with Shay's child. So it's not like they were seriously dating at the time. In fact, it wasn't until Shay called his mom and told her she was going to be a grandmother that his family even learned about Esther. Okay. Yeah. Her response was a baby. You're having a baby. I didn't even know you had a girlfriend. And he's like, I don't, I don't have a girlfriend. I don't. Exclusively dating wasn't even part of the conversation. And that wasn't until after their daughter was born in January of 2019. That's when Esther and Shay thought, okay, you know, we kind of got pregnant really early on. Didn't even know if we really would even be dating, but maybe we should give it a shot. We have a child together. So they start seeing each other more seriously. And I guess within just a few weeks, Shay asked her to marry him. Not exactly because he was in love, but he was like, let's do it. Let's do the mom, dad, husband, wife thing for our little girl give her a stable home life. This is something he himself feels like he had never had. Shay never really got to know his own father. And that stuck with him throughout life. So he wanted to make sure his own daughter didn't have the same experience. He wanted to be there. He wanted to see her grow up. Be a good role model and a consistent figure in her life. So he felt like marrying her mother was the right way to do all of that. But easier said than done. Things didn't exactly work out. In September of 2019, just a few weeks before they were supposed to tie the knot, Esther actually calls it all off. Now, if Shay knew the reason why he never shared it with his family, it might have been that the spark just wasn't there. Maybe she knew it didn't feel right. Maybe there was somebody else. But either way, Shay is actually heartbroken. And it's not because he loved Esther necessarily. But because he loved his daughter and he just really wanted this family life, he wanted to be part of her daily life. And now there was this giant piece of uncertainty. Would he get to stay in his daughter's life? Would Esther even allow him shared custody? It was seeming unlikely, especially because after she called things off and was like, yeah, let's not get married. Shay was seeing his daughter less and less. So in November of 2019, Shay actually files a petition to try and establish paternity. Basically, he's like, I'm an established paternity so I can get more time with my daughter. Oh, yeah. I couldn't. I know such a thing because he got to go to court and then you have custody battles and blah, blah, it's just, yeah. And it's also at this point that he's hoping he could get his daughter's last name changed to his own. Because remember, when she was born, it's not like they were even dating. It wasn't they didn't really try that until after. So a lot of this had more just been Esther having the baby. So he's like, can I at least get her last name change, establish paternity. But that was easier said than done. Shay wasn't listed on his daughter's birth certificate. So because she didn't at the hospital, she didn't put him down. So this creates a legal. I think you yes, but I think you can also establish paternity and get it put on. You will just have to legally go through the process of being like, I'm not on her birth certificate, but I want to be. So let's establish this and do it legally. And so this creates a lot of problems for him and court yet to hire a lawyer jump through a lot of extra hoops. So knowing all of this, like when he gets shot in the back and the family is like, well, he's kind of had this little, this rocky situation. They think it's her. Well, they just think they need to talk to her more because it's the only like somewhat lead again. Esther is someone they want to speak with. She's called down to the station that day, January 12th to speak with the police. And when they ask her, okay, when did you last speak to Shay? She says on January 6th, about a week ago, it was our daughter's first birthday. But the police already know this isn't true. Because before this, they had gotten Shay's phone records. And the records show not only. No way we're already lying. Esther called him the day before he died. She was the last person to ever call him. Hours before he was then found on that bridge. But this is pretty much all they get from Esther. So they know they have to keep digging. They know she's lying. They know that they talked on the phone. - It's just crazy because if she didn't lie, and she told the truth. - Yeah, we have a trial together. - They probably would have been like, "Oh, okay, but now because she lied, it becomes an entire situation." - Well, it's also like your co-parenting. It's not that weird that you guys called on the phone. - It's crazy to lie about that stuff with like phone records and stuff these days. - Like they literally had the phone records before talking to her. - Like, come on. - I mean, it is a little weird that she's the last person you call just hours before being found. - And she lied about it. - Yeah. - So they're like, "Hey, we gotta keep digging, "but really, they don't because the case "is pretty much cracking itself open." That same day, someone walks into the station to say, "Oh, I heard about this murder "and I've got something that the police need to know "about Esther, the mother of his child." Now, this woman who walks into the police station is named Christie Sibre. She's actually a former police officer who also used to umpire softball games on the side. So this is how she knows Esther pretty well because like I said, Esther is involved in the softball community. In fact, Christie and Esther are super close friends. They had been for years. Christie trusted her well enough to send her two kids who Esther's daycare and they kind of had the friendship where Esther would just pop over to the house unannounced just to say hi or check in. All of this to say Christie and Esther are really good friends and Christie knows a lot about Esther's life. She knew about the custody battle and her relationship with Shae Breyer and Esther told her things that she didn't tell everyone which was why the second Christie heard about Shae's murder, she had a bad feeling Esther was involved and being a former police officer, she willingly goes to the station to give police this information. And this is what she says. She tells them this unnerving story. A few days ago, this is all according to Christie. Esther called Christie and asked if she could help her out. She needed her to babysit that upcoming Saturday, January 11th, which was something Esther had never asked her to do before, but Christie's like, okay, she's obviously in a bind. Of course, I will watch her daughter. Then Saturday rolls around. This is the day, night, early morning of the murder. And Christie hasn't heard anything from Esther. So she has no idea if this baby sitting thing is still happening when she needs to be available. And then finally, around 10 pm at night, there's a knock on Christie's door. And it's Esther with the baby. Now keep in mind, she hasn't heard a peep out of her all day. She's like, can you watch her on Saturday? Yes, sure. Never follows up with a time never anything. And now she's standing at her friends door at 10 pm on the night of this murder with the baby. And Esther hands her daughter over to Christie and says, I'm going out. She doesn't tell Christie where she's going. She doesn't say when she'll be back. She just leaves. She's very much being weird about the situation. Christie's like, okay. And she's like, I'm going out and then she leaves. And then around 1 a.m. Esther comes back to pick up her daughter. Okay. And Christie's like, what are you going on? Like, where did you go? But she said Esther was just very cold and deflective. Didn't share anything other than quote. I can't tell you, but you'll probably hear about it in the paper in a few days. Oh my gosh. So then that's insane. In two days when she hears about Shay's murder, Christie's like, I have to go to police like this is connected. I don't really know what happened. I just know this happened. But this isn't the only thing Christie's working off of here. She said Esther had been to her house a lot over the last few months complaining about Shay and how she was terrified. He was going to take her daughter away from her. And oftentimes the conversation would kind of like segue kind of joking, but maybe not into different ways. She could like get rid of Shay or like stop this problem from happening, how she wanted him out of her life. So she wouldn't have to deal with all this. She wouldn't have to go to court. And Christie said at first these conversations just felt like one friend venting to another, Christie herself had actually been divorced twice. She admitted, I'd been there. Like I've probably said similar things about my exes in the heat of like a nasty divorce. So she didn't think much of it. But Esther had someone, I guess, who was aching her on a bit too much, according to Christie. - Okay. - Someone that had kind of been hanging out with Esther a lot lately. - It's kind of, it's got to be another guy. - Well, and like this friend she had been hanging out with. Is it a guy? - Set off, no. - It's a girl? - It's a girl. Set off alarm bells for Christie. Like when Christie found out about this friendship and then like got more details from Esther, it's like when someone has a friend that you're friends with and you're like, I don't like that person. Like I don't think they're a good friend type thing. - Okay. - That is kind of the red flag. And it's Esther's 18 year old friend Shelby Houston. - Okay, I mean. - Now let me remind you, Esther is 29. Shelby is 18. How did they meet? Esther used to be Shelby's high school softball coach. - Okay, I'm trying to think about this. Is it weird? Yeah. But. - Illegal? - No. - It's illegal. But also, I feel like it happens a lot now. Where like there's 20 year olds that are friends with 30 year olds? - Yeah, I mean like-- - So I don't know if it's that weird. - There's people who-- - Yeah, I don't think it's weird. I guess. - I like friends with people 20 years older than them. - Yeah, I thought I mean-- - So I don't know if I think it's weird. - Maybe an 18 year old hanging out with a 30 year old does seem like, well, you're just fresh out. But there's more to this story. And even this next part of the story makes it even seem more normal to me. - Okay, okay, let's hear it. - Because so she's her coach, but then when Shelby graduated high school, she becomes Esther's assistant coach at another school. - Oh, okay, so to me, that's not weird at all then. - And like this happens all the time where there's young assistants who like just graduated or whatever-- - I don't think that's changed. - But help coach at a school for an older coach. They're gonna hang out all the time. Like, you know, it's just more does this relationship crossover into toxic friendship territory, right? - We're about to find out. - So on top of that, Shelby also got a job working at Esther's daycare with her. So both jobs, they're working together. And Christy said over the last couple months, whenever Esther showed up at her house, Shelby was actually right there with her. Like Shelby becomes Esther's little 18 year old tag along. Apparently, the two did everything together lately, like they were becoming inseparable. The age difference, a little weird. But Christy said she had a feeling more might have been going on between them. She tells police, she felt pretty confident that they were a romantic couple. - Okay, well, see-- - Now this is weird. - Now is it getting weird? - Yes. - Well, because like, you were her coach. She's 18, you were coaching her. When did this romance start? - Yeah. - Did it, oh, you graduate now just come spend all your time with me 'cause we were already crossing boundaries before hand? - And then she shoots her husband. - No way. Oh my gosh, people are nuts. Like people, I've gotten to the point where people are nuts. They're nuts, people are insane. They're insane. - Christy tells police, 18 year old Shelby had 29 year old Esther in her contacts under Bay. - Yeah, B-A-E, which was like a more popular word. And there seems to be real tension between Shea and Shelby. So the father of the child, the victim, Shea, also does not like 18 year old Shelby. Also thinks it's a red flag, as well as Christy. So like the other people in Esther's life are like, why are you hanging out with an 18 year old? Why is she always around? This seems like a red flag, your relationship seems a little toxic. And so apparently even enemy number one, which is apparently Shea for trying to establish paternity of his daughter is having beef with Shelby. Now 18 year old Shelby seemed, I'm only saying 18, not to keep reiterating, but to help you guys keep characters clear. So Shelby seemed to hate Shea, just as much as Esther did towards the end. So it's these two against him trying to get custody of his daughter. And Shea definitely noticed, she'll be active. very protective over Esther and her daughter, and it was because of Shelby's hatred and this closeness between her and Esther that Christy felt, and it's telling police now, maybe they were capable of doing something like this after all. They hated him. Like they had kind of fed off each other's toxicity. It was bad. Like it was getting weird. It was getting bad. So now the police realize, okay, we've got to get Esther back in for questioning. And while we're at it, let's pick up Shelby Heast and two. Now this time, detectives tell Esther, point blank, we know you were lying about the last time you spoke to Shay because we have his phone records. We can see that you called him on January 12th. The morning he died around 12 o'clock 2 a.m. Could you imagine just getting called like, what do you think she said? No, she denied it. That's crazy. You can't deny it. It was a butt dial. Oh my gosh, get out of here. Get out of here. Now the police don't buy this for a second. So they keep applying pressure until eventually she gives it and says, okay, yeah, we talked that night, but it was super quick and I swear I didn't even see him in person that night. But again, police aren't buying it. They're like, Esther, you've got to tell the truth. Like none of this is making sense. We know that you dropped her off your daughter off at Christy's house. We know you weren't home. We know you were out doing something. So little by little, they start getting more out of her and she says, okay, have I thought about killing my ex before sure, but who doesn't have I thought my life would be better without him? Yeah. Did I joke about it with friends? Of course. But when they tell her joking about it with friends, okay, but he's actually dead. And we're in the process of questioning shall be who we think you have a relationship with maybe and might be involved in this and they also say she'll be also talking like she's only 18 years old. She's beginning to talk to us. She's not going to keep your secrets. And Esther starts to panic, of course, who knows if Shelby was even talking to this panel, but it's such a good negotiation tactic because especially within 18 year old, because you're like, you really think this young girl because here's the thing. Have you ever seen the movie fun with Dick and Jane? Nope. Okay. Anyways. So I'm going to ignore that for a second, but let's just paint a scenario scenario. Okay. Okay. Okay. Peyton and I. Is it well, it's kind of about fun with Dick and Jane. Peyton and I go and broke, don't know what else to do. Boom. Peyton and I go boom. Okay. We're going to rob a bank. We need some money. Okay. Peyton and I rob a bank. Boom. Say we both get caught. They both end up in the police station in different negotiating rooms. Would you believe that I be quiet? Yeah. Would I believe that you be quiet? No. No. Why? I just think you'd crack. I wouldn't crack. I think you'd crack because I hate lying. I know. I don't like it. You'd paint with crack. So like instantly. But ride or die. I would rather die. I would. If they came to me and they're like, Peyton's talking. I'd be like, yeah. Of course she is. Yeah. Like, of course she's talking. You would 100% believe them. 100% believe them. No. I would. I would crack. Yeah. I would not crack. You'd be like, I'll go to prison. Maybe if they call me a deal. I don't know. But I'm just saying that it's pretty easy. I don't believe you would turn on me. You would turn on me first because you talked first. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? I love the scene. But anyways. So what I'm trying to say is that would be such a hard thing to. Is that what happens in Dick and Jane? Not really. But kind of. Oh. If you know the movie, it's kind of what I'm getting at to its sense. But anyways, we can keep going. I also think it's like, it's a little different because like I participated in the crime with you. But we don't know if they haven't. Right. I think it would be different. Like, if I found out you did a crime without me, yeah, okay, I would get a lawyer, but I also wouldn't lie. I see. Yeah. That's different. But if we participated in a crime together, I might try to lie. Okay. Like, I don't know if we come up with like a really good story. That's my girl. Like, if you hit sat me down and put it out like this, what you're going to say? This is how you're going to answer. Yes. I might try to stick to it. We're not giving any crimes. Okay. By crimes, we mean stealing the neighbor's trees. Yes. But that's something we would do. We would steal somebody's trees. That's probably the only crime we ever commit. If you ever hear a crane in the middle of the night, it's not us, the tree robbers. Yes. No. That's probably the only crime we've ever committed. If you have nice big trees in your yard, you better tie those suckers down because I'm coming to get them. Every time we've driven past your house, we've gone, ah, should we steal that tree? They're like, dang, those are nice trees. I think they would notice if they were gone. Okay. It would be a back of the episode. Sometimes I do drive past places. I'm like, we could take that. I know. I want the trees. That's funny. Anyways. Okay. So they're like, yes. She'll be talking. And so what does Esther do? She starts talking. And here's the account that she offers. Okay. On the night of January 11th, she dropped her daughter off at Christie's while Shelby was in the car waiting from there. They went to the church where her daycare is located and they met up with another friend of theirs, a third accomplice, according to Esther's story, another 18 year old named Hannah. No way. Canapke. No way. Esther had also been Hannah's softball coach and she also worked some shifts at the daycare. So these three, they got a little life going on here. Okay. And at the time, Hannah was in college on a scholarship, but presumably was home for winter break. Here's where things get a bit murky in Esther's story though. Esther says the three of them are in the teenagers, met at the daycare where they all work because she needed their help rearranging furniture around the daycare, which reminds you, it is 10 30 to 11 p.m. on a Saturday night. So this is already a little bit weird of a time to drop your daughter off at a babysitter's just to go arrange furniture at a place that you all three already work and are going to see each other at, but she said while they were doing that, the conversation turned into a joke about how they could get rid of Shay if they wanted to because again, they absolutely despise him for wanting to have a part of his daughter's life. Now, what doesn't seem like a joke to detectives though is this, earlier that day, Shelby and Esther had gone to Shelby's house to get something, a rifle. But Esther made it seem like it was purely a coincidence. She's like, no, no, no, that just happened to happen on the same day. We just happened to pick up the gun. Either way, the three women went out to the parking lot that night. She says jokingly, get the rifle that they had caught, like got earlier that day, that wasn't premeditation. It's happening at the rifle and they shoot it to see how loud it was and they happen to hit him and then they got into Hannah's car, which happened to be her parents van and they drove around for a while as this conversation about killing Shay becomes more serious turns into us. She actually do this and eventually lands on a, yeah, let's do it. So around midnight, Esther makes that final call to Shay's cell phone, the but dial originally. She asked him if you want to come over for a little joy ride with her and her friends and Shay said, sure, they went and picked him up at his place in Portland and headed out to that remote area to that bridge on 125 West. Apparently they then stopped the van, had him get out and that's when Esther said, she'll be got out and shot him once in the back with the rifle and then they got back in the car and drove away, leaving Shay to die in the freezing cold on that bridge in the middle of nowhere. That's actually in, like I said earlier, people are nuts. That's insane. That's actually evil. I know a lot of you disagree with me and that's, it's fine. I'm okay to disagree with people. It doesn't bother me. I still love it. I'm still friends with you. But there's no reason in my mind that we, those people shouldn't then be, I don't throw on an island in a last gun, be like, good luck. Let's see how long you live. Number one, how do you get three people on board? Number two, you picked up the rifle earlier that day. This didn't happen that night. You get three people on board. That's crazy. I mean, that's why I mean, like packing, getting mentality is a very real thing. It's just like, it's sad, it's a very real thing hating a guy. Those two girls don't even know him. They only know what she said. Absolutely horrible. And even then, like, even then, you don't kill someone. But also to just purposely lure him out of his house, and then drive out to the middle of nowhere where you know and just leave him there bleeding. Like, huh? That breaks my heart. It's like, it's disgusting. To make matters even worse, apparently, Esther realized something as they started to drive away. So she had Shelby stop the car and turn around. They get back to Shay. Keep in mind, they've just driven away from him. Imagine this scenario. He's still alive, but dying, bleeding out. They get back to him. Esther gets out. She's probably like, oh, she changed her mind. No, she gets out, rummages and finds she's cell phone and then throws it in the river and gets back in the car. - Oh, see, I just, I can't. These people deserve so much more than just prison time. That is honestly, she's mind blowing. - She's afraid he's gonna call 911 and survive. - Yeah. - Now after that confession, 29 year old Esther is arrested and charged with murder. Meanwhile, Shelby's basically confirming the story in another interrogation room. And while they are pretty consistent, Shelby does admit, yeah, I was the one who shot him. So that's the same as Esther's story. She also tells investigators that she pretty much blacked out and can't remember much of what happened. And then Shelby says something so incredibly odd. And I think it just proves she hasn't even processed how much trouble she's in yet in this interrogation room. 'Cause she asked the police if they have to quote, put this out there. She's like, is it gonna be in the news? Like is it gonna go on Facebook? Are people gonna be able to find out that I shot and killed this man? And police are like, girl, it's already hit the news. Like you're going to prison. - Forever. - Like people are definitely going to hear about this. This is your entire future. Like you've just written your life. - Yeah. - And I guess maybe it starts to hit her. Shelby's arrested that same day and charged with murder, but they also have Hannah. So that afternoon, police fly out to Iowa, 'cause I guess she's already gone back to school for the next semester after doing this little murder in her hometown. And she's arrested and brought in for questioning. She tells police, I was a completely innocent bystander. I had no idea what was happening. That night when I met up with Shelby, she's like, I really thought we were moving furniture at the daycare where we worked. And then suddenly, I'm in the car and we're picking him up. And this is a murder plot. She said. - Yeah, but then I have a hard time with this because then why not tell anybody? - Well, they asked her and she's like, I couldn't stop them in the moment. I was too afraid to tell them no. She said, I tried to voice my concern, but she didn't want to become their second victim. What about after? - I don't know what her excuse is for not immediately going to police or getting home and calling 911 and being like, there's a guy dying on a bridge. - Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. - I don't know the chance that maybe you could have saved him. - Not sure how I feel about that one. - And again, Garrett's not wrong. Like gang mentality, could this happen where she was? - Yes, no. - Had no idea. - She'd be telling the truth, a hundred percent. - And then gets there and is scared and like guys are we really doing this, but isn't brave enough? - But then afterwards, we got to take some action here. - I mean, either way, it's not enough for police to drop the charges. Like you didn't do anything to stop it. So even if you had no idea this was happening, your lack of action is chargeable. Like you're still an accessory to murder. She was also booked for murder mainly because, remember, it was her parents car that was being driven. So your car, you are the one in the story who's driving to and from the scene. Like police are like, you could have just stopped. You could have just said no. And of course, she's like, well, they had a gun like what was I gonna do? But the key now was trying to find out how well planned out this crime was. Again, is it something they decided on that day or night? Had this been something that they'd been planning for a while? Well, as you may have guessed, picking up that gun that afternoon was not a coincidence. There was a lot more going on behind the scenes, at least for Shelby and Esther. According to Christie, there was one time when she recalled Esther complaining about Shea at her house. And Shelby, who was also there because she was attached to Esther's hip, said, well, I could easily shoot him if you want to. So she had already brought up shooting him for Esther. And then there were the text messages exchanged between Shelby and Esther in the weeks leading up to the crime, where Shelby in text before the crime tells Esther she wanted to kill Shea for him. She's a full on little girlfriends, full on admitting I want to kill him for you. And not just over text, she also admitted it in front of Christie. And apparently six days before the plan was executed, the murder on January 5th, Shelby and Esther went out driving around town and they drove to that bridge, they drove to other secluded places. They're looking for potential murder sites. They're a week before they're driving around going, where could we shoot him and like, not have anyone here, not have anyone drive by, but like easy enough to just get him out of the car, shoot him and leave, not like go somewhere. So you have all of these very clear signs of premeditation here, especially because police learn, this was not the first time they had actually tried to kill Shea and all of this starts coming out. Christie said Esther and Shelby had once talked about crushing up IB profan and putting it in Shea's tea. They actually tell Christie he consumed it, but nothing happened to him. Like they're like, oh, they didn't necessarily say they were trying to kill him, but they poisoned him. Like they fully admitted to poisoning him, but nothing happened and they were bummed out. But Christie was like, when police are like, well, why didn't you call the police then? She's like, I didn't believe them. Like who thinks that these two girls are actually cutting up IB profan and putting it in some strength? They hated this guy. They joked about hurting him all the time. Why would I think that this time was any different? But now looking back on the whole thing, Christie is devastated. She's like, I could like, I missed all of the signs. She claimed as a former police officer, she should have known better than to brush Esther's claims off as frustration. She felt that if she had gone to the police earlier with the knowledge that these girls were jokingly talking about killing him, she might still be alive today. But Christie wasn't the only one manipulated in the situation. I mean, you have two young girls, not even in their 20s, who looked up and respected Esther as their coach initially. She was a role model. They trusted her. And then now it turns into all of them murdering. - What an absolute mess. - I mean, that is grooming to a degree. - I was just really sad about their kid as well, and now has no parents horrible. And this was something the jury would have to take into consideration when it came time for the individual trials because this is nuanced. Meanwhile, each of them pleaded not guilty. They were held without bond. Esther was up first, and her trial began in March of 2021. Esther Stevens was found guilty is charged, and she was sentenced to 55 years in prison. - Okay. - Why only 55 years? Well, the state of Indiana has a specific sentencing law that murder carries a fixed term of 45 to 65 years. - I mean, she'll be 90 years old. - And 55 is where judges usually start from, but justice wasn't done being served. In August of 2021, Shelby's trial. - Okay. - She was also given 55 years in prison. - Wow. - At the sentencing hearing, one of Shelby's friends read a statement out, loud saying, "Had the misfortune of finding comfort in a wannabe cult leader who literally destroyed several families for her own self-interest." - Her breaking eye. - And again, that trial had more nuance because of the way they had met the relationship dynamic. - I'm actually surprised she got 55. - Now, as for Hannah, she sees the writing on the wall. She's like, "These two got charged. I'm next." She pleads guilty to voluntary manslaughter, and is given 17 years and six months behind bars with all but 10 years suspended. It made sense the jury did decide, Hannah didn't conspire with us or Shelby. Like, she was not a part of the previous planning. - So how many years total, I'm a little confused. Sorry, so seven years since 10 got suspended, or did I understand that wrong? - Yeah, so essentially 10 years. - Okay. - Now, there's still kind of one loose end, many people question. - Why did she even agree to get in the car that night? Like if they're in this not good situation, she's with her friends that he hates apparently. Like, how did this even happen? - It's a valid question. - I don't. - People are like, "I don't think they're blaming shit." - That doesn't, honestly, that part's not even deep for me. Like, you have a baby with this person. Like, that part doesn't even stuck. That is even like, yeah, of course. I probably something I would do. Well, this is exactly what detectives say as well, and she's friends. They said, he has a baby with her. - Yeah, he's a literal child with her life. - He's trying to smooth things over. He wants solid ground between him and Esther, because genuinely, she left him at the altar. - All he genuinely cares about at this point is the baby, probably. - And he was devastated. He wanted the relationship with her. He wanted the life with her. So if she reaches out offering like an olive branch to, hey, this has been nasty, but do you want to just hang out? Hang out with my friends. That his friends say he's the type of guy who would say yes. He's the type of guy who would go just to try to smooth things over, to try to make their relationship dynamic a little better so that things could move forward more smoothly. So when this question is brought up, his friends family and even detectives are like, [BLANK_AUDIO] valid question, but it's actually when you know who Shay was, is not that strange because he was that good of a guy. Like, even if he didn't like these friends, he would have been willing to go just to try to make this child's life easier. Esther's parents were the ones who ended up getting primary custody of Esther and Shay's daughter. And thankfully Shay's family has been granted visitation rights, but it is only once a month. How does it even make sense? He's not on the birth certificate. They were still going through the whole battle. Okay, but escalate that shiz. Right. Right. That's actually, that's not okay. I'm not okay with that. That's ridiculous. So they do get to see her once a month, but according to both families, Esther and Shay's family, they have one priority and it's making sure that the little girl feels love admits all of this chaos that she did not sign up for. And that is the murder of Shay Breyer. And honestly, like, I just can, can we, can we stop being nuts? It's also just like this is absolutely horrible. You know, every single case is horrible, but I don't even know, maybe once a month, I don't even know every little bit, I'll have a certain case that I'm just like, I wish I didn't have this job. I wish this job didn't exist because what do you mean? What do you mean this happened? This is disgusting. This is horrible. Like, how can this brutality and level of humanity exist? And it's just not it. It keeps happening exactly and it's just like, it keeps happening. It gets to the point where like, I'm frustrated. I know. It's very frustrating. It's part of the reason why I say I don't like true crime because I'm so frustrating. Like, are you, are you kidding me right now? Like, are you, are you actually kidding me? Like, what is, we're just wrong with you. I don't know. What is, what is, what is, what is wrong with you? Hopefully she has 55 years to ask herself the same question and I guess we can hope she does. Like, a tie her up, chain her to a tree and a last good. She can freeze a death like the person she killed did. It's just heart-run chain. Horrible. Anyways, thank you for listening. Thank you for being here. Not to be a downer, but that's kind of the moral of the moral of the podcast, I guess. It's like, at the end of the day, the reality is these do suck. Like, it's not. I get it. It's horrible. Hopefully you stop. Yeah. People need to stop killing each other. Knock it off. You know what? I am more than happy to completely never do a podcast again and lose this as our jobs if people stop killing each other. A billion percent. Do it. Prove me wrong. Do it. Honestly. I'll make bagels until I die. I just am like, it's like, come on, guys, it's just incomprehensible. Yeah. All right, you guys. Thank you for listening. As always, we will see you next week, sadly, with another one. I love it. 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