"Ricky Gervais"

(upbeat music) - Happy, happy New Year. - Hey, happy New Year to you. - Yeah. - Hey, New Year? - Yeah, happy New Year to you. - Everybody sleep okay? Anybody party last night? - No, no. - Is it New Year's Day? - Yeah. - Oh, sorry. - It's not New Year's Day. - Oh, sorry. - Are you missing something, are you? - Sorry. - I don't know. - I don't know my calendar. - Stop saying sorry, what is happening? - Is that your New Year's resolution is to say sorry for all the things you've done wrong in 2025? - No. How long would the list be of things you have to apologize for? - Hey, can you guys mind if I just interrupt real quick and say welcome to a brand new smart list? - Oh, sorry, go ahead, yeah. - Oh, yeah. (upbeat music) - Hi guys, we roll it. - Yeah, Willie, you look really handsome. You guys, someone just off camera. - Oh, who's the surprise? (laughing) - Listener, we've got a special guest. The director and co-star of the great film is this on. Is this thing on? - Yeah, I can't believe I'm got the peek behind the curtain here. Wow. - Oh man, this is amazing. - This is so cool to have you. - Hi Bradley. - Well, it's such a, it's so fast. - Wait, but haven't you done, you've done a, I feel like you've done a double, or am I thinking of you and Downey? - 'Cause he came to the live show. - I did your hundredth episode. - What, but live, remember you on stage. - And then I came to the live. - But you've done this. - But I don't remember, but I don't, you know, seeing Sean as Habitat and you and it's cool. - And you are? - For the listener. - Sean Chill. - There he is. - Sean's got a hat on glasses. Jason looks like the guy from the maxel commercial. - He does. - He's got a wine. - He still has my DJs on. - You know what, this is fun. 'Cause we've never done this in intro with a surprise guest. So Bradley, once you guess what Sean is eating, don't tell him yet, Sean. - Oh, okay. - Oh, I'm gonna show you. - Was it, was there, was there? - Yeah, show me, give me a little hint. - I just, you're like this. - Oh, oh, is that some sort of pie? Is that a glaze on top of an Ella Glaze? - It's probably, hey, it's 9/31, it's got to be a glaze. - Oh, that's her off. - No, it's a cinnamon butter cinnamon sugar and lift muffins fourth grade graduation. - Oh, did you make that? So butter cinnamon on an English muffin, you just toasted. - Yes. - And by the way, and for the listener, great, you covered all of the surface of the muffin. Look at that, look at that guys. - Oh yeah. - Hey, Bradley, how are you? Yeah, what are you doing over there? Did you guys have a sleep over last night? - We did, yeah, we're living together now. - We're back to living, we're back to living, we've gone 180, 360. - 360. - Yeah, thanks. We just, we just came from press, so I was just like gonna run and say hello. - We were just doing a bunch of press for the movie every day, and then-- - I love that. We just did this GQ game, we just did this, what was it, GQ? - We just did this, you have to guess how well you know. - You have to guess how well you know each other? - Yeah, I'd listen to, they both do look literally like they just came from a GQ shoot. They look gorgeous these days. - Thank you, you're doing both of them. - But we did, Bradley won because I gave them extra points. I was really magnanimous. - What was the contest? - I was generous too, you were generous too, no, the answers were just-- - What was the contest? - What's my middle name? - The contest is like, yeah, it's like, yeah. By the way, do you know his sister's names? - Yeah, wait, Tannis and Shardonnay. (laughing) - No, Tannis is right, that's good. - Chambley. - Chambley. - Wow. - Chambley. - That's good, J.B. - And your middle name, Will, is Will Yum Gordon Arnette. - Almost. - It's boy. - Gary. - Shun, do you know how the middle name go with it? - Of course I know your middle name is Emerson. - Okay. - Nice. - Yeah. - Wait, is that right? Bradley, what's the first letter of yours, Bradley? - C. - Channing. - No. - Curtis. - No, no. - Chad. - Just close. - Come on, Sean. - No, it's Charles. - Yes, it is. - This is C.B. Wait, are you Googling, Sean? - No, I know this. - God, I wish it was Chad. I'd call you Chad every day. - I wouldn't call you Chad every day. - They were like, what's your favorite movie? What's your favorite? - I know your yours is with Nail and I. - And Bradley. - And Bradley. - Your's, Bradley, yours is ghost. - Ghost. - Ghost, right? (laughing) - Yeah, the director's cut. - Yeah. - I've never seen ghost. - Wait, Bradley, what's your favorite movie? - You know, I, he knew that I couldn't answer it. Like I don't really have one. - He doesn't have one. He loves the movie. - Well, you have, what's a couple of them? - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, what are they? - Like an elephant man apocalypse now, you know. - Yeah. - Yeah, Beverly Hills Cop. - Beverly Hills Cop, three students. And they said, what is one thing? Here's one, they said, what's one thing about Bradley that people don't know? - Yeah. - And I said, well, there's a lot. And then I was gonna say, I was gonna say, 'cause we keep reading, people, everybody thinks that Bradley's had plastic surgery. Everybody keeps saying that I'm like, what people don't know is that he hasn't. - Right, he hasn't. - Yeah, of course he hasn't. - I get like people, like some people came up to me the last couple weeks and they're like, oh, you look good. Yeah, yeah. But it's a great, it did make me think. And then I was like, I was like, oh, well, I didn't want to get. But then I'm like, I should've, it made me mad because I'm like, people say that all the time. And I'm like, it's such a hilarious thing. Everybody thinks that they know, you know, you read bullshit stuff. - And I've been cut to ribbons. - But look at how it's worth it. Look at this. - Yeah. (laughing) - What look is that? What did you get? - This is, I was asleep 45 minutes ago and we've got a young, aspiring guest, that I didn't need to do a lot of research for because this person hasn't done a bunch. So I'm just kind of ready, you know? - Wow, I mean, your guests must feel great about that. - Yeah, Bradley, we actually might need a little bit of help. Give us five more minutes here and help us with this. We've got, it's a very exciting comedic voice coming out of the UK. He's received some great momentum from his last couple of stand-up specialists. Got a new one on Netflix now. He's a fan of the UFC. David Bowie, animals of all kinds. Let's get him out. Guys, give a warm welcome to England's brightest new star. I want to get this pronunciation right. Ricky Gurveyes. - Oh. - Is that right? - Do I have it right, sir? - Look who's back in the sky. - It's like reunion night. Ricky's back. Bradley's back. - Everybody's doubling up. - Good morning, Ricky. - Hi. - Hi. - Good morning. - Is that Ricky? - Sounds good. - Look at the row of factors behind him. - Cool, I know. - Are those real? - No, it's a, it's a grain screen. - Ricky, can you do, can you do the podcast and just make sure your camera is covering all the awards before you hop on? (laughing) - If we widen out, we'll see more. - Ricky, we never met, but I would have a great thing to see you. - Nice to meet you, man. - You too. - Have not met? - No. - Wow. - I don't know anyone. - I love, I think, I think I met Jason and Will, and my first even brush with Hollywood about 20 years ago, and that's, I just kept them as friends and didn't add anything to that. (laughing) Yeah, I love all your shows. - Oh, man. - Oh, thank you, man. - Cheers. - I loved extras. - What, what, what isn't good at Ricky's stuff? - All right, guys. - All right, Brad has got a lot of you, Bradley. - Bye, buddy. - Bye, dude. - You know, Ricky, I was, I was on a plane, an overseas plane, so I had a lot of time on my hands, and I went into their little entertainment offerings there on the plane, and I climbed into office Christmas, the Christmas special. - Oh. - Fuck. - I ate that up so deeply, making a real idiot of myself, and the folks next to me. Just, I know you don't want to talk about the office anymore, and I'm not asking any questions about it. There's no question here. It's just, you're just it. I just love your, what you do, I could eat it all day. - Oh, that's lovely. Thank you very much. That's just so, now I've got to be nice to you. - Yeah. - That's my strategy. - Yeah, but Ricky, didn't it look like Jason was reading that off a script, didn't he? - No, I know he can't read. He was a child star. He didn't need an education. He didn't need anything to fall back on. - Nothing. - So, and he's kept his looks because sometimes child stars, they start looking weird. - Yeah, give it a couple more years. - They sort of turn into a weird little monkey, but he's still nearly handsome. - Let me take my hair off and you say if you can still do so. - I watched the film with you in actually. Carry on, I loved it. I thought you were great. - You did sort of menacing really well because obviously I find you funny. And there was, I could still, you could have made a joke at any point, but it was really good. It was quite, it was quite chilling. - Any drama is always one line of dialogue at the end of every scene from becoming a comedy. - I know, I know, I sort of turned down a lot of, not big dramas, but I think they're just laugh. I turned down, they want me to play Winston Churchill and I was going, they're just laugh. They're not going to be lost. - I'd give anything. I wouldn't give anything. - It would have been terrible. I'd have hated every minute of it as well because, I had about 12 every day, the bold wig, actually, if I leave it a couple of years, I won't need that. But it would have been, it would have been three hours in makeup and puffing a cigar. -Yeah, nevermind. -But what was it, was it, was it, uh, uh, intolerable, or no, um, uh, what was a Quentin Tarantino film where Mike Myers played a German new soldier? -Yeah. -Uh, uh, uh, in Glorious Bastard. -In Glorious Bastard, yeah. Right? -Right. -And, uh, I started to smile when I saw him. -Yeah. -And, and then realized, oh, wait, I shouldn't be. But it's fine, you get right past it, and you're, you're acting talent. Like, you never tell jokes, you're, you're acting talent is just incredible. And so, you could, you could seamlessly and effortlessly. -I agree. -I agree. -I'm going to play somebody dramatic. I mean, it would be great. -Right, you've got to stop this now, because I don't know whether this is a wind up or not. -I'm just waiting for the big punch line today. -I'm just at it. I was, all the time you were saying that, I was looking at Will. -I was thinking, "What's Will gonna sign now?" -Yeah, I just love the work. I just love the work you've done for animals in, in, you know, with your time, in what you've done, and really how you've inspired many of the people. -This is the worst, this is the worst case scenario ever. -Oh, God. -And just how, how thoughtful you are. And I think for me, that just really, I don't know, it's God, I'm, I can barely, I'm, I'm, I'm joking. -Don't stop. -Yeah, don't stop. -Yeah, you're winning up, I can tell. -I can tell you that my crying shows like laughing. -Yeah, I know, you're not very active, but I can tell what you're trying to do. Sean, do you have any praise for Ricky? -I do. I sent him an email after I saw After Life, and I thought it was, it was great. I was late to the party watching. -No notes. -No notes. -No notes at all. -No, no. -I thought it was one of the best shows I'd seen. I've ever seen. I mean, how is this the biggest entertainment podcast in the world? Zero idea. I've been pajamas. Yeah, we haven't covered anything yet. You know, I was thinking about that on the walk out to, to, to, to, to plug my computer in. And all I'm thinking about, I think I'm about to chat with my, my two best friends in Ricky Jervais. Like, that's, I'm not thinking about this going out to X number of people. And I think that's a really great thing. I hope we never lose that. In fact, I'm, we did a, Will and, and Will and I and, and Ted and, uh, uh, Mitch did a few of these in lockdown. And it was just, it was, it was lovely because you were, that's when you really remembered you had friends when you couldn't see them. That's the, that's how this whole thing started. -Yeah. -I was that when you started. I'll go, yeah. -It was just, you know, I just stay in lockdown, didn't I? -You did, yeah, you were one of the, in the 2020, you were one of our first, you were in our first, first batch and, gosh, that doesn't seem that long ago. -I know, I very, it was five years ago. -Well, I did that. I thought, listen, let's, let's help these guys. -Yeah. -And then five years like, uh, uh, right, they need my help again. -Yeah. -Let's, let's, let's give a little leg up, a little injection. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah, of course. -A little vitamin R injection. -Listen, man, we're, we're, we're happy, we're happy that you're on your helping us out of your backdrop with your dusty old awards from 20 years ago. You know what I mean? It's just, for us, yeah. -How dare you. -Yeah, look at the most, most of them have rusted out. -I used to see you a bit more. -It's like going to a museum. It's amazing. You know, this is so educational. -Have you not been coming out here lately? I seem to, I used to see you a lot more. You used to like, uh, you know, I used to, well, and, well, the truth is, I, um, I've still got a place there, uh, in New York. And, yeah, from like, for the last 20 years, you've come out like, it's got like six, seven to eight times a year. Whenever I had something out, the second series, I'd come out and do the chat show, sort of, in New York, fly to L.A. do that. And, but I, I think, I'm not, not just because of COVID, but since COVID, sort of things have changed really. -Yeah, you could do everything from things. -Well, yeah, and Netflix, they've got like 300 million subscribers. They send an email. -I don't have to, I don't have to go on a chat show and play table tennis in a snorkel, you know. -You're also doing, but Ricky, you're, you're also doing, you're also doing stand-ups so much more now than you were 15 years ago. -That's absolutely right, yeah. -Right, so that's, it's kind of changed the way that you interact with your fans a little bit. -Well, I think I started off, yeah, right in the direction of being in stuff and I'd fit in a little stand-up tour when I could between writing and, you know, and then I think humanity was the first one. I hadn't done it for like seven years. And after humanity, I thought, oh no, this is my job. I'm a stand-up now, who I do the odd TV show and film when I have time. And it just, I just flipped it. And I think in the last eight years, I've done four tours and four specials and it felt like I'm fitting other stuff in and I want that to continue. Well, to us, you know, to a certain degree is, it does get harder. -You don't mind the travel. All that touring, there's a lot more travel with that than doing the acting stuff, right? -Yeah, but I honestly, I do the most luxurious tour possible. It's like I do two or three nights away the most and four nights at home. I, you know, I hop, I hop private to all around Europe, you know, I do three trips to North America and get it all done then with the biggest venues I can play. -Now, Jane, go with you? No. -Yes, she does. -Yes, all the good places. She comes to America, Canada, all the lovely places in Europe. She doesn't come to some of the seaside towns of England out of season. But, yeah, no, again, I make it a little weekend break. So, I'll play Prague Arena and we're going the night before, we're, have dinner, we'll walk around all day and then I'll pop to the arena and do a gig and then we fly home. So, it's like, you know, 46 hours of holiday and two hours of work. So, and it couldn't be better. But still, the last few years, I, if I do three or two or three gigs now, I'll wake up. I think, was I run over last night? I am absolutely exhausted because it's an age. It's like, I'd also, I think, I don't know what it's like to be like for people to see me at 70. I'm already sort of grumpy and I shuffle around. -So, you're not yet 70? -You're not yet 70? I remember the first time I met you, right? It was the, in the makeup trailer on the invention of lying and I said something like, so, so, you're 40 and you went, I think you were 37 or something, you went, you think I'm 40? You were like that. You couldn't believe that someone thought you were two years older than you. And then someone said, he thinks I'm 40. I don't know, I still like Mrs. Toudfire. -Yeah, you bastard. -It was like that. It was like, and then I think you mentioned it again. No, you don't. So, yeah, I get it like, there's no way you miss being on a set for 12 hours a day. -Yeah, come on. -I honestly, I do. Because, you know, honestly, I, the thought, I will do it again, but the thought of doing it again, like, eight weeks up at the crack of dawn, eight weeks. So, at the moment, I'm just finished the tour, but I'm starting again straight away in Gen, I'm doing warm-ups to the next tour, which will be two years. I'm just finishing the first season of an animation I've been working on for two years. But I've been doing that with having a nap every day as well. So, I do all my work. I work, I work 10 to 12, have lunch. Come on, I get 40 minutes, nap. And then I, so you can't do that on set. That's the question. You can do it. I'm a big, I'm a big napper and friendly enough because, you know, Winston Churchill famously took a nap every day, even during the war. He get full pajamas between the sheets. So, we call it Mark Chappell, whom you all know. Chappy, we call it taking a Churchill. So, I is often as I can to take a Churchill. Churchill this morning. Yeah, it's great, isn't it? It's just the best. I look forward to it because I wake up tired. I wake up at seven, think, oh, I don't have a nap in five hours. It just gets me through that first five hours. Are you a good sleeper, Ricky? Like, do you go to bed early wake, wake up early? Do you get pretty good hours, all that kind of stuff? Yeah, I do. I probably do. I think I've had a bad night if I don't get eight and a half hours, I'd say. Oh, good. Good for you. Yeah, and you know, you have to get up. Like, I know that feeling. Like, it's seven o'clock in the morning. Like, I should get up because that's what people do. Yeah. But if I had the choice, I would just stay here, but I have to, I should get up. Well, that's, that's always been the case. In fact, I've got earlier as I've got older. Again, I think it's in COVID. I used to get up at half nine and think, oh, I've got to do it. And now I, and now what I can't not get up at like seven, seven, three, but I feel like I want to. I could easily, if I didn't wake up, I'd, I'd just keep, keep going. Yeah, I mean, lovely. But as soon as I look at the clock and go, right, that's, that's it. You that's it. I'm six. I'm six a.m. every day. I can't help. And I was just in London again for a couple of days. And I, I, it's dark right now until about eight thirty in the morning. So, you know, you know, now I've got like two and a half hours of dark after I've woken up and I'm like, fuck it. Really fucked me up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I, I seem to, I don't usually beat the sunrise. That's, that's pretty rare. But Ricky, I will say this about you talking about I'm not going to sit here. and I know that about you. I love that you go and you really like, that you and Jane go for a meal and you walk around and last summer, I think we might detect that about this. You were, you went to Toronto and did a gig in Toronto. - One of my favorite, it's my favorite place. - And you talked about how's your favorite and you love going to the island in Toronto Island. - Oh, I love it. - I know. - First and I know in my family 'cause Canadians are so proud in the nicest way. They're like, my dad, my dad's like, "Hey, your buddy Ricky came in and they went in." He loves to Toronto Island, they love it. - Is that the name of a comedy spot or is that literally an island? - It's a park, it's like a park, it's a beautiful island. - It's like an island where residents live and it's so lovely and you just get the little boat over for like $10 or whatever it is. And I stay in Yorkville, I just love walking around Yorkville. And then I hop to Montreal and I love Vancouver as well. I love Vancouver. I've only been to a few places. I've been to Vancouver, Bam, Toronto and Montreal. That is my Canadian experience. And I'm from, my dad was from. - Kitchener, right? - From one. - It was sort of near London, Ontario, it was sort of near Chad and it was cool, something like, oh, Punt, something. - And he was a World War II there, yeah? - He was, he volunteered. - All right. - So, yeah, Canadian, he joined the Canadian Army to volunteer and he got stationed to Europe. And I think he spent most of his time in Britain. He drove, I didn't talk about it much to him, but he drove tanks, he delivered tanks to the front. - Jesus Christ. - He was in, he, yeah, yeah. - And that's where he met your mom when he was over there? - Yeah, he met my mom, got her pregnant. - So, yeah, my wife. - Just stayed, and just stayed. - And just stayed, and my, I think my oldest brother was born 44, he's Larry's, he died recently, and my sister 47, and my next brother, 1950, so I was 11 years after all that, I don't know what happened there. - And your mom admitted it was a mistake? - Yeah, yeah, well, that was about 13, I said to her, why am I so much younger than my brother's sisters? And she just went, you were a mistake, and I know. - And that sort of thing, honesty is funny. Honesty has always been the funniest thing for me. Just, just, people just say the first thing comes out, and they mean it, that always makes me laugh. That's why anger's funny, 'cause you can't help it, it's a visceral reaction. Oh, if someone does that, ah, I want to laugh, it can be anything, if someone bumps their head and they go, oh, I know, like that. I want to go, that's the funniest thing I've seen today, but I've got to make sure that I haven't got concussion, they're not bleeding. - Correct. - But then, I ask people their permission, if someone falls over, I go, can I laugh? - Yes, no. - Look at that. - And we will be right back. And now back to the show. - Now, what I love is that you're always so beautifully on apologetic about leading your audience with, like, this is okay to laugh at, but, you know, obviously we've gone through a section of years where people were a little bit uncomfortable about laughing at some of the things that were fricking hilarious. And you can get the sense at the audience that you're in front of now, that whole thing is starting to soften and-- - It is, and it's cyclic. It's not the first time it's happened. I've experienced it three or four times in my career, that alone my lifetime, but, you know, these things, they come and go, they're like fashion really, and it's generational when they kick out the past, and they want to be, you know, quite rightly more progressive than the last one. And sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong. Sometimes things were okay. Sometimes it's the best we've ever been. We don't need to change stuff, but they have to have a go, and I think we have to go through it. And I think that you sort of ride the waves, and, you know, I mean, comedy seems to be on the front line. - Yeah, yeah. - Because people can go, people would rather someone say some are awful and mean it than say some are awful and be joking. - Right. - Like, sometimes they're angry that you would joke about a terrible thing. Sometimes people are angry at someone joking about the terrible thing than the terrible thing. Because they know they can't do anything about that. - Right, yeah. - But they can't tell someone off, but that happened at some point. - Is Jane still your most trusted sort of barometer of that, which is funny or not? Like, do you trust her laugh the best? - Yeah, well, I do run things past her. Because I'm excited, I think, you know, we're just a vessel for ideas, you know. I don't sit down and go, "I've got to have a great idea." That's because it doesn't happen. You live your life and then someone comes in your head and you go, "Oh, thank you." And I usually have them when I'm going jogging and I come up with an idea, "Oh, that's a good joke." And I run home and I tell Jane, "I've got an idea." I tell her, she says, "Please don't say that in public." (laughing) I know that someone, I can work on that. That's got something. - Well, but I mean, I know you're joking, but you're also being serious. Is it because, is it because you trust your ability to match performance to content that it would make it somewhat palatable? I'm like, "Yes, I get it's offensive, "but I know I can deliver it in a way." - Well, yeah, there's lots of things. One, I like the challenge, you know. There's no, I can point out funny things, but there's, you know, they're like found objects where's the added value, what have I done to it? So the harder dive, the thing that tantalises me more is, can I make a terrible thing funny? How do I do that? How do I make them, you know, an idea with taboo subjects on purpose? 'Cause I sort of want to take the audience to a place that hasn't been before. So you're already, as soon as I approach a subject, I can feel the, what's he going to say about that? - Yeah, that's the elephant in the room. Sometimes pointing out the elephant in the room is funny enough. - All right. - It's like, just even. - And you're probably touching on a lot of things that people want to say themselves. - I think that's exactly it. - I think it's exactly it. And you know, when you see an impressionist and they do an impression of a person, and then you can do the impression of that person. - Yes, I'm the impression. - Yeah, totally. - It's like I've reduced it for them to go, "Well, this is the meme, this is that terrible thing, "you don't know how to approach." This is a good way to do it. And it's a discussion. - Yeah. - It's the thing that excites you about it, Ricky, 'cause I think that I see it in a lot in your comedy and it's something that kind of excites me too. I'm not a standup, but that you, this idea, I can relate to the sort of the idea that getting into subject matter that is taboo or dangerous or that people don't want to talk about and figure out a way to sort of shed a light on it, make a joke about it, and do it in a way that you can kind of work around really hard parameters. That's exciting. I feel like a school, that's where I feel like a schoolboy where I'm getting away with saying the thing that the teacher that I'm not allowed to say. So how do I get to it that's okay and still get my point of, you know what I mean? Well, that's the thing. Obviously, you want everyone to laugh, right? - Yeah. - You can't second guess. You can't try and make anything so anodine that everyone likes it because that won't happen either. Most people are like, "This is horrible, this is anodine." So you've got to polarise by mistake. If you're doing anything that slightly contentious as many people are gonna hate it as like it, 'cause everyone's different. So you just do what you think is right and funny. And I do wanna, I do want everyone to like it, but if they don't, there's nothing I can do about it. Some people say, like journalists, they say things like, is there anything you won't joke about? And I wanna go, is there anything you won't write about? It depends on what you say, it's bad. And that's, most defense, most defense I've noticed comes from people mistaking the subject of a joke with the actual target. They see a joke about a content. So I think, well, that's gotta be, that you can only be bad. And it's just not true. Because we discuss bad things all the time when we come down on the right side. So I'm just doing it and hoping there's a punchline as well. There's just, there's nothing wrong with that at all. - Right. - Talk a little bit about the difference. You do many things incredibly well. But one of the things I really marvel at is that you're stand up persona. And I don't mean to say that it's contrived. So persona's probably the wrong word, but there's a certain degree. But there's a swagger that you have on stage when it's, you can't possibly have in real life. But it's part of the joy that I love that there's just, no fucks given or no apologies. Not in an asshole way, but I just love going on that right. Yet when you're playing some of your most iconic characters, Andy Melman or David Brent, there's a level of vulnerability and insecurity and brokenness to them that is so heartwarming and earning and lovely. Like how do you, how are you able to find the bullseye of humor in both of those polarizing kind of strategies? - Well, as long as it's a realistic portrayal, it doesn't matter what it is. And because people are complex. So even my villains, I sort of give them a bit of redemption or a bit of backstory or why they like that. And I think you'll find that where they're everywhere. everyone. Everyone who's who's sort of like a little bit nasty or arrogant. It's because some are bad happen to them probably. There's usually a reason to it and we're all like that. We all go around thinking we all live in our head because we walk around thinking oh everyone everyone is thinking I'm a loser. I've got to act a bit because look at them they're great but they're living in their head too. They've got all the same insecurities and all that as you. So I think that the comedy it's best is saying we're all idiots. Let's just admit it and get on with it. So even when I do the swagger on that is a bit of a persona because I've got to have that I've got to have that full arrogance. So me falling down is funnier. Yes. If I just come out and clown and go, oh, I'm slipping over, boring. If I come out and go, right, I'm the best thing since life's bread and then slip over. That's so much funnier. That's so much funnier in life and in character. And the other thing is I've got to keep comedians stand-ups and certainly British stand-ups. We're gestures. We're court gestures. We're down in the mud with the other peasants laughing at the king. We're low status. Now how do I keep low status because everyone knows how much we earn now. I can't fake it. I can't pretend. I can't go. I was on the bus the other day going to claim a welfare check. You're right. You're liar. So I can't do it like that. So I keep my low status in two ways. One, I show them that it's not all Graham, all the silly things I've done, all the mistakes I've made, all the faux pas I've made in Hollywood, all the ways the press have called me an idiot, caught me out. And the other way I do it is I talk about things where they're better off than me. I talk about being fat and old and going to die and going bald and I'm a bull's-distending. So that's how I keep. In a way, I don't think that I keep low status. I try and keep same status. That's what I want to do. I want it to be us against the world. Are you able to tap into some of this sort of explanation and theology when you're trying to court folks on the extras to sort of when they come out and they parody themselves a bit? Are you able to sort of make them feel comfortable? We're all idiots. I'm an idiot. Come on and have fun with yourself. I found that the stars that I approached, that was like a day after them. They wanted to do it. They wanted to go. Let me show the world I've got a sense of humor about myself because there's so many rumours about these people. They want 12 white kittens in their trailer. They want the trailer to be big. Someone else has to flush the toilet. They want to go, "Let me show them an. I'm normal. Let me show them an idiot." And some of them made it worse. Some of them went, "Oh no, do this. Do this. I did this one." It's cathartic. It's like a day off for them. And I think that's fun. And I've played it myself a couple of times when I've been the other side of it. Curb enthusiasm. Where I was thinking, "Oh, I've got a parody myself here." And it is fun. You do it anyway. If you write yourself apart, you've got to parry a little bit. It's nothing new. The Muppets used to do it. When I was a kid, I used to watch the Muppets show. They would have on big stars. And they would be the idiot. The Muppets won. The Muppets won. It's like being interviewed by Jiminy Glick when Marty Short is Jimmy Glick. You can't compete. The worst thing you could do is try to one up him. It's like, "No, you can't. I was just laughing. I wanted to hug him. I wanted to get right. I wish. I want to say, I wish this was real. I wish. I felt that I did a Muppet film. Constantine was the evil Russian frog. I wished he was real. I wish I could take Constantine. I did all my press stuff with Constantine. It was so good having. I like being the lower status. It's good to play the arrogant idiot who wins, but it's much, it's much more fun to. I like it when I'm insulted in fiction. I love me being the part of the joke. How about. Could that possibly be a new angle on whatever sort of film, the entertainment, scripted entertainment you might be doing this? Fans like us, we love the stand-up stuff, but we want it all. Is it going to be another show? Is it going to be another movie? Is there anything close to the. Yeah, there is something that's close to parodying myself that I'm going to get around to one day. I can't even talk about it. I've got the idea, but I can't even discuss it now, because it would be. Maybe shooting in the next 12 months? Oh, you lot would be roped straight in, as my only friends were available. I've just finished a thing called nearly. It's like two years and it still isn't quite finished. It won't be out till the end of next year. It doesn't animation take a long time. But it's a six-part thing about. It's called Alicats and we're a group of sort of feral cats living in a disused basement. We watch TV and go out and cause havoc and it's a lot of it is improved as well. There's the storylines, but they're the sort of, you know, the meanest, sweariest cats in the world, but they're losers as well. They're the part of the pile. It's all about survival. And it is all about that thing that when you're the part of the pile and, you know, you can be angry. You can't lash out because there's a reason for it. Right, you get away with a lot because there's nothing perfect about you. Yeah, I think that's funny, isn't it? Because that's one of the big differences between sort of drama and comedy. You know, the lead in a comedy is a putt, whereas the lead in a drama is perfect. He can't slip. He can't hit his head. He can get shot, but then he's got to go, it's just a flesh wound. All right. I can't do the voice. Well, do the, do the butch voice. We are. Do that butch voice you learn when you got here. What do my balls dropped? Hey, listen, Hey, Rick. Listen. When, when this summer, did you do, did you, when you were doing the office, which is a great, it's kind of Jason's earlier point, it's a, it is a great acting triumph that, that series for you playing David Brent. And I'm sure you got to ask him fucking million times. I'm sorry. They all are. He never sucks. No, I know. Yeah. And did you, did you, how much of that was, and then when you're first making that, of course, it's kind of like, you know, they made the internet without the internet, you know what I mean? You made the office without knowing with no reaction. You made it in a vacuum that for a season. Yeah. There's no reaction. So you're doing it. Did you have any idea that you were, what you were doing with, was, was, was special or working or working? I know it was different. I know. You did know it was different. And did you think it was going to spoil you guys improvise it? Were you improvising a lot? No, I was, I was the only one that really improvised at all. And I did that at the beginning of the end of the scenes or it's just to make that just think a little bit and make it read or do something different to, to make them laugh or, or whatever, or just some of them on the back foot. But it was, I'd say it was 99% scripted. And what we found, and I've always found this, actually. But the behaviour was, was, was improvised, though. Do you know what I mean? Well, sort of, you know, I, I, I did want to be an actor's medium. I remember saying to the, like, sometimes the, the D.O.P. might go, I'd be good if he came in and sit there. I'd go, no, I said, coming in to sit where you would. And I said, we're filming it. It's like wildlife. But we, you know, we had to stage it a bit because they had to be, of course, because we didn't cheat. So, you know, some documentaries, if you wanted cameras to react, right? Yeah, it's one, well, it's one camera. So if someone went through a door, we wouldn't cut to a camera there waiting for them. We followed them through the door. So it was all possible. So we probably cheated less than real documentaries in a way, which was a bit of naivety, but I think it came across. But we had to find people who got it, just that they had to say these things. And I do remember that, you know, we were meticulous. I know there's no, because it's got, you know, we saw the whole picture. So we would make them, there were sort of multiple takes to film to get it, you know, how, how we wanted it. Did you find that the cast bought into it early on or did it take some convincing? Because they didn't have the reaction from the audience either, you know? No, no. I think what it was finding them, it was the, once we've done this sort, because it's the first thing I did, and I sort of cast it with someone in my mind, like I had these characters, like Gareth was based on a kid I went to school with when I was like 14, 15, and he was in the territory of the army, and he spoke like that, right? And he said, this is a true quote of this guy, I won't say his name. He said, "When you're captured by cannibals, right, and you're in the part and they're cooking you, they show you pornographic pictures, so you get an erection and there's more meat." Right? And so, and he'd said, and once, right, I did this and so I said, as a joke, I was talking to him once and I told him, when we were a little bit older, I told him that I said, if you get a crab drunk, it walks forwards. And he came back off holiday, right? He's been on holiday with his parents. And he said, you're talking shit, Javez, I did it to a crab in my fear and it just walks sideways. Right? So this was the sort of, so, so Karen was based on him. And he was quite strong. How did you find that incredible actor that could hit that tone without any winking at all? He was just, what, what was that? What made you even better? Was this guy was quite a sporty guy. He played cricket football was big. And I was looking for this guy. I was looking for a guy who came in and talked about killing a man and all this. And then when Mackenzie Crook walked through and he's about seven stone and looks like a baby bird, it was even funnier. He was certainly him talking about I could kill a man. Yeah, if I was in the jungle, you know, you couldn't, you definitely couldn't survive. You couldn't see be eaten by a lizard. Amazingly. So they're surprises with, but we cast and cast and cast and and I remember it was like, you know, 2000. And in England at that time, you either got these people who sort like that. It was like, you know, they were like that. There was sort of like, you know, this and that and where, or they wore bonnets and spoke like the Royal family. There was, there was no one who acted in between and comedy was sort of quite heightened. Everyone still talk funnily like that. Right. And so you had to tone it down. And once we found people that could do that, they could do anything. They could just do it. They could just act naturally and do, you know, did you have success? I mean, I love the American office as well, but my, my, it, as far as I'm concerned, can't touch what you guys did in England. Were you able to have at least the amount of success comedically tone wise with the other international iterations of the show because you've done it with 16 times. Did I read around the world? Yeah. Well, I, I, I usually, I know all the others. I, you know, I, I okayed it. I'd, I'd see a rough thing. I'd see that cast of a fat 50-year-old as Brent. I thought they're doing it right. And I, I often watch the first pie that some of I haven't, I haven't seen a minute of them. I've seen clips. But, you know, and they have to make it. They're right. They're funny when there was, there was a, there was a French one. And you know when Tim puts Gareth's stapler in jelly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In France, they put it in a big cheese. It's not easy. He just, I'd be trance like this. He'll be like cheese. I thought you were going to say they went on strike in the pilot and they just came back episode four. Right. We're doing sati now. And we said, man, we're having fun. Yeah. We'll be right back. And back to the show. What a great success, though, that that, I mean, I'm sure you felt like you were in such a, such a, a vacuum there in, in England and you're doing what only six episodes a year. And, but then it, then it takes off. It's, yeah. Well, we got that. I was a big fan of faulty towers. That was the first time that I saw, like this, this is my, this is so perfect. And they hone the scripts. You know, often British sitcoms are written by, you know, people banging out on a tight right over the weekend. And they, you know, they do loads. And this was like, you know, 12 episodes. So perfectly. Like that possibly the most perfect fast ever committed to TV 40 hours. I thought that, that's, that's what we do. We do it. We, this is boutique. This is, you know, but that was a sitcom, right? Shot proscenium style, right? Multiple cameras, audience, studio on it. Like, yeah, you, you did the opposite of that in that it was single camera. Very quiet. There was a lot of humor in the, in the, in the discomfort of silence and awkward beats. Well, I stole that from spinal tap. Anything you say that I invented, I tell you where I stole it. Okay. Well, we all do. All of us. Yeah. Come on. All of us. Yeah. My God. We were inspired. Jason and I were inspired when we were just shooting the rest of up in the first season. And we were, we watched your show. We watched your show. And we were just, we were crazy about it. We were like, holy shit. Look what these guys are doing. Like, we were fucking blown away. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's truly, I give you all credit now. I mean, because as you know, huge fan of all of yours. Well, then like, I think we told the story last time you were on. Then it was I, we got word to us that you might be interested in actually coming over and doing an episode of our show. And Will, wasn't there like some sort of like ridiculous argument high up at the studio level with them, like wondering, yeah, should we really buy him a first class ticket to come over? I think like the phrase was, he's not going to put a new people in the tent. Like, it's not worth the fucking plane ticket to bring him a remember. Well, they were right. They were right. They were right. Wasn't that like ridiculous? No, because Ricky, no, because he wanted like 12 kittens in his trailer. Ricky made that point earlier. He was just reading off his own writer, you know. Yeah. No, sir. A rest of development or arrested as will cause it. He always kept. I think it was, I think you were voted for like five years when it was our long, it was on. You were always voted best comedy of all time, weren't you? The best unwatched show. Well, and then we got a little bit of awards attention, and we got to stay on a little bit longer. And speaking of awards, we've got, we're going to ask you for some advice. Ricky, Ricky's going to be blown away by this. You've got a nice bit of love from your. No, no, you've been nominated for a Golden Globe. Yeah. So I think we're going to get up there on stage, maybe present at a minimum. I think you've got a great chance. I think you've got a great chance because this is really fun. You've got all the big guests, you're like, you're huge. And it's friendly. You're, you're very, you're not Hollywood in that. I mean, you're very, you're very Hollywood at the three of you. I mean, you know, the top of their game. I think you've got a very good chance. We don't, I just don't want our pattern to like, I hope they don't write us some weird pattern. Just say no, whenever, even when, even when a rest development wouldn't give me a first class ticket, I was still arrogant. And when I was handing out awards, I said, I'm not doing it with anyone. I'm not going out with someone I've never met doing a bit of stick. I said, I want to come out with me and I'm just going to do the thing. And they let me do it. And the best thing is like, it's too, too, is the default is just to just read the prompt or like without any bits, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I complained every time I got there. I said someone like, I've come along way for this and I didn't win. I was usually up for an award. I tell you what, you know, I've been nominated, you know, 25 m is and I've won two. Now, that is just taking the Mickey, isn't it? That is like, get him over here again. Get him over here again. Let him think he's going to win again. Get him over. And at least I thought, oh, you're right. I used to hand out an award at least. I just get up there somehow. Your host, but your hosting of the gloves, what did you do five or six years? It was just priceless. Do you watch it? Do you do? Do you watch it at all anymore? The gloves. The gloves. I don't, I don't think I've ever watched an award ceremony. I wasn't at. Well, first for a start, the globes and the Oscars and all those in America, I'm in bed. They're like their three a.m. Yeah. Right. So that's how the question. I sometimes check out, I check out the monologue if it's a comedian, you know, so I thought, yeah, oh, yeah, whatever. But no, I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't know. Did you find it changed? You can't take it seriously. You must have taken those things seriously. No, you can't. You've got to treat it like a night out meeting your friends or a job or, you know, it's like, it's an industry award. I like meeting all those people, all those fancy folks. It's nice to see people. The only reason this on telly is because it's an industry award for really famous people. The teaching awards don't get televised. They don't do it for science awards, really important awards. They'll be televised. They put a bunch of booze on the table too. They try to get everybody hammered so when they go up there, they do something. Well, that's that's the great thing about the Golden Globes. That's the good and bad thing about the Golden Globes. The Golden Globes is better to be at. And the M is is probably better to host because at least they're all in their seats and they're listening and you can do you. I've never hosted the M is because it's too much work and you have to rehearse. There's no rehearsal hosting the Globes. I know. I know. I talked about this in my special 30th of December. I came in. I came inside. I read. I saw you. I used to hold it just before. I think I filmed it. Before you filmed it. I saw Ricky at the play team in London. A champion I went over and watched it was great. It was brilliant, man. It was brilliant. It was brilliant brilliant. Yeah, you talk about it was fun. The audience was so psyched and you were really funny talking about it. like hosting the Gloves and what that was like. - Yeah, I talked about it so behind the scenes, just like what it was like for me and what happened. And there's a couple of really funny stories. But I can't tell you. - Don't know, no, could they need to watch this? - It was the show that will went to, is that the one that you filmed? How do you decide which one to film? - It was the venue and maybe the week, but not the night, 'cause I did about, I think I did 14 shows and I taped two of them. - How was that traditionally decided? Usually you wanna film one of the later shows because you're still working on the material? - You want it to be ready. Well, if you're ready and you wanna be as soon as possible, while it's still fresh and you're still sort of into it and loving it. So it was within the last five or six shows actually. You want it to be a venue that you can do a night before warm up in the same venue. And you want it to be as intimate as you can without it looking. - You have to wear the same outfit. - Yeah, I was gonna say the same outfit. - Well, that's fine, I'll do that anyway. I could do it tonight. I haven't changed my hairstyle in 22 years. So it's not a problem, that. And you do two, just in case. And usually you sort of, you make sure you nail it on the first one and make sure you've got everything. And then the second one, you just have fun. And in the cold light of day, the first one is always the best. - Yeah, of course. - Because it's more self-indulgent than the second one. You're going, I'm in a lovely time. They're laughing, I'm riffing, I'm riffing. Then you get into the studio and go, "Well, people at home aren't there." So they just wanna hear what you had to say clearly. And it's always that first one that wins every time. But I even do things on the night that I have a number for little things I try out. And 'cause you can always edit it out. So, you know, I feel too much and crunch it down. I've probably do 70 minutes and it comes out at 65. Just as things didn't hit so much or two jokes about the same thing. I let go of that, I just sound too much or cruel or whatever. Or some of that wasn't ready. I'll go, I won't put that in. I'll work that out, that'll be in the next special. - And as far as your material goes, if you found that the sourcing of the ideas that you get has changed over the years, the ratio kind of stayed the same as far as that. Pulling from like family and friends, funny ideas and news ideas and ors and eyes. - It's still, it's still, it's still Hitler, I'd say. - Yes. - In that order. - Classic. - Shitting yourself. - Yeah, the classics. - Yeah. - Have a green. - Have a green. - The stuff that got us here, you know what I mean? - Yeah. Yeah. (laughing) Well, also that translates as well. So, if I work up my show in England, I've done 50 shows in England and it's all about what was on Teddy last night or our prime minister or you have to go about universal subjects and joking aside, my use of universal subjects are usually things like what it's like, you know, ego, bad days, getting old. Or, you know, so I try to be more timeless than topical. - Right, so this one, this one called mortality, is that the theme of the whole thing, is sort of mortality as? - Again, it's a jump off. It is about me getting old and grumpy and getting annoyed at stuff more and more. Again, it's quite classic, you know. Everyone goes through the phases of their life. - Sure. - I think it is about, it's not zeitgeisty, but it is clearly about now. But I hope it lasts. But I will say, Ricky, there's one of the things again about sort of the office and your standup, which is, and you just said I was about to jump in and say that it's not zeitgeisty and that's what gives it all those best companies aren't because they do have that evergreen thing. They do, it is about these characters who are flawed, the relationships between people, certainly, and the dynamics of the office between the different things. I mean, that, you know, is just as relevant today as it was 25 years ago. - Well, I think so, I think if you go classic, sometimes I even go retro, but like this project I'm working on now, Alicats, it's like 2D Retro, I want it to be Hannah Barbera mixed with sort of six Disney, so if you look at it in 20 years, you don't go, "Oh, what were they thinking of then?" It just looks classic, it's already sort of classic, it's already stood, it's already stood the test of time the way it looks, you know. - Yeah. - So I do, yeah, I am quite conscious of it sort of being universal and timeless, and 'cause you notice as well, if you suddenly, it's going well, but you get to Paris, and you go, "Oh, I can't do that bit, can't do that bit, they won't know he is, I can't do it." It's really sort of demoralising, so, you know. - I mean, no, they surrendered, you know what I mean? So you don't need to tell, you know what I mean? (laughing) You don't need to do that, Joe, you don't have to, you don't have to remind them, you know what I mean? What, when did you, did you enter the war? - Let me just think. - And after my dad, volunteer, in 1990. - Trying to think, and boy, that's funny, I did change my number, so I don't remember getting a thank you. So maybe that came, maybe that got too late. (laughing) - Well, that's it. - Well, Ricky, if with all of your influence, your access and credibility, cap it all that stuff, if you could point all of that towards something that is not comedy, not stand up, not movies or television stuff like that, like a documentary or something like that. Well, what would the audience be surprised at you would, if you had to shine a light on something, would it be like animal rights, like a documentary on animal rights? - Well, that's the first one I suppose. - Yeah. - I think that, and where'd that come from? Did you have the dead, did you have like a, pets, when you were a little kid, and yeah. - Yeah, it was, it was, it was always quite important, you know, pets were like, you know, member of the family, you know, growing up sort of like a, just a working class family in England. It was, it was all about the kids and pets. I remember when I was, I was about 15, and my brother, as you know, 26, 27 at the time, he came over with a couple of his kids, right? And the kids came running into the house to my mum, and they went, "Nanny, nanny." Daddy just punched a man in the face, and knocked him over in the park, right? And my mum was like horrified, right? And then Bob comes walking in, and she went, "Shit, they said you punched a man in the face?" And Bob went, "Yeah, you kicked the dog." And my mum went, "Oh, fair enough." And that was it. And that was like, that was the life lesson. It's like, some things were all right. Sometimes violence is just the right. That was all, it was all about, you know, I've always thought animals were unconditionally sort of perfect and beautiful and should be treated. Wow, it's all about empathy, isn't it, really? And I know you guys the same. I've never understood animal cruelty. And then the older you get, the more you find out, well, there's so much animal cruelty that you didn't know what was going on. And you're sort of like, you're cashing in on it without knowing. And so that's why I became vegan as well, because the terrible cruelty in this sort of farm industry, and I thought, oh, I can't really, I can't really be saving dogs and eat in sheep. And so, yeah, you just, you know. - If you had to make a choice between bringing one person back to life, one, it could be any person, a historical figure, family member, whatever it is, or give voice to one animal that is alive right now, like your pet could talk. Or you could bring back a person. What would you pick? - That's really good. - Well, it would be, oh my God, they're both pretty irresistible, aren't they? - Yeah. - It's too risky in bringing someone back, 'cause you might bring back that, oh, I'd love to, you might bring back Einstein, and he keeps going, yeah, I know, he equals MC Square, and I know I've got it, I've got it. (laughing) - Fuck me, why is that bringing me out? - Yeah, now he's got to catch up. - It's got to be my cat talk, isn't it? - You've just got the one pet, one cat. - What if my cat was really boring? (laughing) - Or had an attitude. - God, yeah. - It's a real pain in the face. - I know you're sleeping, but we can talk now. - What if your cat, what if your cat just said, I've been this whole time, I've been all over you because I'm a sadist, I just want you to fucking kick me. (laughing) - That's what gets me off, I just want to get kicked, and you spit all this time telling people not to kick, and that's the only thing that gets me off is to get kicked. - Obviously, we're gonna cut this bit, right? We're definitely gonna cut this bit. - Keeping this bit, leading with it. - Yeah. - Let's be open up. - It's the only thing I'm going to sleep now. I'm not going to sleep now, what, oh God. - Right, so now you got a chatty cat. - Yeah, and all right, I think that's a good decision. What's the cat's name? - She's cold. - Oh, pickle. - Are you sure? - Yeah, yeah, no, I've had lots of cats, and yeah, yeah. - But so, if you had to give voice to one, it's gonna be pickle. - It's gotta be pickle, 'cause it's a lot easier. - It's a lot easier. - Your current cat is your favorite, and you probably forget how much you love the other ones, and you go, oh my God, this is, yeah, they become a member of the family, you know? - What's the life, Sean? - What's your dog's name? - Ricky. - Excellent. that. Yeah. I've always known that my name should either be a child or a dog. Yeah. It doesn't really suit a man in his 60s, does it? Yeah. Never Richard? Ever. When he's bad. No, it was Ricky, Ricky Dean Javez. It was apparently, it was a thing what shows lower class from a name most in America. And the top name to show you from a lower class was Ricky. Really? Yeah. Apparently. Somebody is having a having a, having a gag on you. They say, Sean, what do you think Ricky your dog would say if he could talk today? How do I get out of here? How about stop curling my hair? Yeah. Well, I crimp it. I just crimp it. I don't curl it. I can't. Ricky is such a beautiful dog. And Ricky, you're a beautiful guest. When's the special? When's the special? What's the date? The specials out. It's out now. It's out now. It's out now. It's already out of the charts. It's already made number one. I'm fired at this. It's absolutely fucking pointless. This. Okay. You ready? I'm going to do this. So Ricky, Ricky, your special came out December 30th. It's already number one across the world. I don't know how we booked you. What incredible success and congrats on all the nominations. Yeah. Yeah. Really great. Oh, let's do one just in case as I say. Oh, uh, uh, Ricky, um, just after your special came out, you had your testicles removed for cancer. Just in case. Let's do every scenario. Yeah. Right. I'm down. I see you're all right with. I'm all right with testing in the cancer now. When you're about 50 that you forget about it. It's asshole. It goes. Don't worry about your testicles, mate, but we've got to check your ass now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out of the woods. My testicles are safe. They're absolutely safe. Well, there's a fear of them getting trodden on these days. Yeah, it's safely tucked in your socks. Yeah. We love you. And thank you. And, uh, please say hello next time you're out here. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What did last time? I don't know. I wasn't there. Where was I? Oh, you weren't this? No. When was that? That was the last time I played the ball. When we all came to toe-towels. Yeah. Yeah. Two years ago. It's a while ago. Yeah. A while ago. I will. I'll say. I'm back. You were in England recently, weren't you? You didn't say hi? I'm not. It's, it's, it's, it's, you're, it's will that has to sleep over. Is it your house? Not me. Wow. I need friends. I don't have any friends. I got these too. Help me out. I know. You're busy. You're all too busy. We're all too busy. I'm too old. I'm too old. I'm too old and grumpy and that social and you're, you're too busy. That's, well, it would be perfect. I'm just like a cat. I don't talk. I'm sitting on it. You know what, Jason? You know what it's called? It's, it's called making an effort. You make an effort. I go there and I make an effort. Reach out to Rick and I say, what are you doing? He says, I'm going to come to your show. It's called making an effort. Okay. Ricky, thank you so much. Teach me, really. Teach me. All right. All right. Have a great rest of the day. Bye. Bye. Thank you. That was absolutely a pleasure for me. I hope it was a pleasure for you and it was, thank you. I understand. I'm the first, first second guest. The first, you are the first, the first guest. First guest to do to, to do, first repeat. The first, first repeat. Yeah. That's the way I was looking for. I'm getting tired. The money's the same, though. So don't look for an increase in your check. I wear it. It's, yes, after half past nine, isn't it? It's, uh, yeah. Sorry. Half past six. Yeah. I'll have six. That's, I've only got two hours before I think about bedtime dinner time. Say hi to Jane at the dinner table. I will. I'm going up to the to eat now. Thank you. Yeah. Love to Jane. Great to see you guys. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. The great. Our first return. Our first return. And that's where that's the bar. That's the bar. Yeah. Yeah. You don't get to come back unless you're Ricky Gervais. Good. You know, I don't remember him going into so much detail about the office. It's really cool to hear that. And, I know. You know, like, because you don't want to. What's the time you guys saw that? I, I, seriously, on the plane a couple weeks ago, I hadn't seen it since we watched it, Willie. It's been, it's been a minute. But you know what? In that time, I will say, I will say, and really, you know, and I know Ricky was part of it and, and credit to Greg Daniels and my shirt and all those billion people that we love over the office and all the performers. They're not. Very funny. And I, I, and watching the, yeah, the bulk of it during COVID, because I missed the, there were gaps in it. And fucking hell. I mean, first of all, Steve Carell was, you know, because Ricky casts such a huge shadow. Right. What he did on. I remember thinking like, who is this guy, Steve Carell thinking that he can do what Ricky Gervais and he made it his own. It just did it differently. He made it his own in the drill that, and oh, so good. And, and those are big. All of his characters were so specific. And everyone in the American office came, made it their own, kicked the door down. And, I think, in arguably, became a, a bigger success than the British one. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Who knows, but like you said, it's so hard to write a part and a tone and a voice of a character and then have an actor match that. Like, what are the odds of that? Yeah. Yeah. I loved, yeah. I also love Martin Freeman. I'm such a fan of Martin Freeman's and he was so good. And, and I love that show that he did the responder through the response. I think I mentioned it before this BBC show set in Liverpool. He plays a cop that came out two years ago. He's unbelievable. Well, you just fire up rip-box and you just start knocking down shows kind of. Yeah. No, I know. Are you doing applied for the, for the brick box? I mean, I'll do it. Do I have rip-box? No, you have, you are. Yeah. Do I just, I guess a certain channel. I got to find it. It's a fun callback. That's a fun callback to. Do I have to be, you know? Sean, do you have one yet? Well, I was thinking of to be, to be, to buy. No, no. No, no, that's too much of a reach. It's okay. What about, um, sort of buy-by-close? 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