RFK Jr.'s Bash Clash, AI's "Jurassic Park" Moment, and Elon's Midterm Millions

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He wanted to stay an extra for the rest of the show, but he didn't. Oh, yeah, that's what happened here. It's a sad thing when you go away, but at the same time, they get to date. You know, we have an open relationship. I get it, as long as I can watch, and that's what I do the next day I listen. You can watch. You do. You always are like, "Oh, that person is good." I get texts from Scott like, "Hmm, hmm." Let me give you a little listing of who's coming onto the thing. All right. All right. It's a good one this year. We had a good one last year, but this is really good. We have Hillary Clinton opening the show later this week. My hero. You've heard of her. The secretary. The secretary. She's very excited. She's hoping to displace you. We have Kevin Roos and Casey Newton, who have recently left The New York Times to strike out on their own. We have Chelsea Handler, who's very excited. Oh, I love Chelsea. She's so excited to, like, say "anyways" and a number of things. We have Adam Mochler. Oh, the 23-year-old wonder kid? Wonder kid. Yeah, he's a smart one. I thought that was fun. Impressive. We have Mr. Mark Cuban. We have Mr. Mark Cuban. Oh, Mark. Yeah. Yeah, that's going to be great. That was smart. So much to talk about. That was good. We have Roy Wood Jr. Who? He's a comic. He's amazing. He does "Have I Got News For You." He's amazing. Oh, is he on The Daily Show? He was. He was. But now he does "Have I Got News For You." I love him. I think he's so smart. He's very sharp. Guess who else we have? The very fine Caitlin Collins. Caitlin's coming on. Yeah. Just recently appearing in "Donald Trump Screamed at Me and I Maintained Exquisite Poids." She's coming on, yeah. We have Jennifer Welch of "I've Had It." She's very funny. Is she the one from Oakland? Oklahoma? Yes. She's from Oklahoma. Oh, yeah, yeah. I went on their podcast a couple of years ago. The angry women from red states. Yeah, but they're funny, but they're super funny. They're always drinking and making comments. And then we have someone with the most amazing hair. Jacob Soboroff from MSNOW. He has a new show there. He's really handsome. He's a great reporter. Do you know him? He has exquisite hair. I've heard his name from you. I'm looking him up. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He looks like the dude from "Nobody Wants Us." He looks like a handsome Jewish kid. Yeah, he's really lovely. That's probably a hate crime. No, he's really-- What do handsome Jewish people look like? Can Jewish people insult Jewish people? That's an interesting question. I'm not insulting him by saying he's handsome. Jesus Christ, he was born in 1983. When was he born? He was born in 1983. Oh, wait. What does that make them? Fuck, that makes them older, which makes me ancient. Yeah, yeah. How do you like the list? It's a good list, isn't it? It's a great list. But I'll miss you. I'll miss you. Thank you for saying that. Yeah, it sounds like you're real broken up about it. I've really enjoyed our recent shows. I think they're very bracing. People look at all of them and-- Bracing. Bracing. But speaking of bracing, did you catch Dana Bash's interview with RFK Jr. on Sunday? I mean, let's listen to an exchange about childhood vaccines and autism, in which he sounded like a rapid raccoon. Are you also trying to find out how it interacts with people's DNA, what's predisposed to have an autistic child? Are you doing both? Yeah, but Dana, you probably don't understand this, because you're not a scientist, but genes don't cause-- Well, you're not either. Genes don't cause epidemics. I understand. Genes, epidemics. They can provide a vulnerability, but they-- A gene provides an environmental exposure. That's what I'm asking. Are you studying the environmental exposure? I'm looking at all the different environmental exposures. But your statement, you have been fooled. Your statement that this has been studied is not true. He's lying there. He's full of errors. He was crazy. He was also aggressive physically, I thought. I thought Dana handled it beautifully. He seemed insane. Thoughts? I'm all for if-- and this is not ridiculous-- if Fox News can literally pollute, litter, defecate all over the cabinet, then my attitude is, OK, let's go to cable news. We get to know them. We get to see their intellect. I thought that in the last week-- I think it was in the last week or two-- I think it was in the last week or two. I think it was in the last week or two. I think it was in the last week. This is Mike Turner, who was the person. And by the way, speaking of someone who really failed on his video was Max Miller himself, where he said, do you think if I was hitting her, I'd have made her, she'd have made me dinner? Yes, actually, that's like the classic abused wife syndrome. He looks terrible. His father-in-law, Bernie Marino, who is a senator, finally slapped back as a father and a grandfather to him and called him psychologically ill, essentially. He had apparently been threatened because there's rumors he is gay. But Max Miller actually implicitly threatened him, really, with outing him, I think. That's what he was doing. I mean, the whole thing is so sordid and grotesque, but they think they're going to flip that seed, that Max Miller seed. And he is, you know, he had had previous relationship with Stephanie Grisham, who has talked about him being abusive, this guy. And then they, you know, of course, they're going to start to surface all his various drunken abuse stuff that he has. There was pictures of him in college. This is two troubled people, RFK Jr. And then, you know, I just think a lot of these interviews, and Caitlin, of course, last week, have been, you're right, dignified, answer the question, please answer the question, here are the facts. And they've done a great job. I think there are certain red lines. I think the left needs to come up with an aspirational vision of masculinity. Otherwise, that void will be filled by really, by dominance and misogyny from the right. And one of those things, I think, is a move to protection. The whole point of amassing a certain amount of strength and power is such you can protect others. That's the whole shooting match. That is the ends. And when someone insults your wife's looks, you don't support them for president, Senator Ted Cruz. That's a red line. That's it. You're out. That's the whole point of amassing a certain amount of strength and power is such you can protect others. That's a red line. That's it. You're out. That's the whole point of amassing that power, even if you have to spend it all, even if you lose the power, even if you get voted out. The whole point of amassing that power is to protect the people close to you. And these aren't men. These aren't. Yeah, these aren't men. That's exactly right. These are. The whole point of power is so you can protect your wife and your granddaughter and your daughter. And the fact that he waited this long to say anything, it's like, Jesus Christ, dude, what's the point of all of this shit? This is Senator Marino. I know. The whole thing is really gross. And actually, it's very on brand for these people. Aggressive, dunking, angry. I don't know if you know this. You got dunked on by Spencer Press. Oh, my gosh. You sent that to me. That made my weekend. Oh, my God. Should we read the tweet? Hold on. Scott Galloway is a perfect example of perhaps the most pernicious people in society. So, first off. He doesn't know pernicious. What's the over-under on? He actually understands the word pernicious. I don't think he wrote this. Anyways, I'm sorry, guys. The stupid, smart person. Mm. Educated beyond his intelligence. Mm-hmm. Smart enough vocabulary to justify his ego and smugness. But too stupid to understand basic rules. Realities of communists. Smart people. Okay, this is what stupid, stupid people do trying to use AI. Yeah. This was so clearly written by AI. Why did he pick you out? I don't. Was it your Bill Maher thing? I don't. I literally have no idea. You were very supportive of Fauci because you just slightly laughed at him. Bill Maher joke. They were giving you a hard time. But it was like, I think it must have been Bill Maher who must have seen you, right? I guess. Or the Mamdani doxing thing. Maybe the Mamdani doxing. But why would he go out? But you were critical of Mamdani. Would he like the Mamdani doxing thing? I don't. I don't know what prompted him. I was like, what did- All I can say is, and the reason I read it- We did call him a moron many times when he was running that. It's fair. As FDR said, please judge me by my critics. Spencer, if you're out there, please continue to shitpost me. I was like- I, I, I, there are a few people- Who's next? George Santos? What? What in the fuck did he do? Bring it. This is like- Look at me. And I'm not on Twitter, so I don't care what people say about me there. I know, I know. So I don't, yeah, but I didn't, I was trying to figure out, I'm like, when did, who decided, let's go after Scott now? I don't know. And anyways, but look, he lost to a socialist and an incompetent. Yeah, he did. I think he's fading into the distance and he's desperately clinging to some form of relevance by shitposting people. He had a reality show of him running for mayor and I guess that's over. He must not have many choices. He's going to pick some fights. Anyway, Spencer, you're a prat. That's a British term for idiot. Anyway, it made me laugh my ass off when I saw it. Yeah, I noticed you were the first person to forward it to me. Well, I was like, what? I was, someone said it to me. I was like, who? Like, it was such a, like, why is he bothering Scott? I mean, there's so many more worthy people to bother Scott, you know, on the regular, but this was weird. Anyway, congratulations. We've got to dig into, let's get to actual things, big tech earnings, Alphabet and Amazon. And Microsoft added a combined 1.5 trillion in value following Q2 earnings of note. Amazon sales totaled over 880 billion, up from 13% a year earlier. And Meta's profit was down 14% from the previous year as the company's CapEx forecast for the year increased to $130 billion. We're recording ahead of SpaceX's earnings on Tuesday. Speaking of SpaceX, Tesla executives reportedly have been told to prepare to separate the company's China business ahead of a potential merger with SpaceX, which I predicted here. Elon dismissed the report as fake news, which means it's true. So talk a little bit about any predictions on SpaceX earnings, and you're going to be on vacation. So give us a guess at what the stock price is when you return. So let's start with Alphabet, Amazon, and Microsoft. These companies are just incredibly well run and continue to, I mean, as someone who loves earnings reports and I read these things, and I'm just sort of like consistently blown away. Amazon AWS sales jumped 37%. That's its fastest growth since 2021, blowing past the 31% consensus. Total revenue crossed $200 billion for the first time in a single quarter. Net income, get this, Kara, surged 245%. Yeah, amazing. Now, most of that or a lot of that is from, these firms have become now tracking stocks for their investments or for AI, because $53 billion of that was sort of an anthropic investment game. Investment game. So it could not be, possibly not real. Eventually. Well, not recurring. Or it's Alibaba, right? Not structural, unless they continue to be great VCs to get it. They would argue we're going to continue to have access to these types of investments, but they're not VCs. This isn't a business they're in. So the market typically discounts these types of one-time gains. Jassy raised CapEx guidance to $220 billion. And their stock was up. Amazon stock was up dramatically. Meta, revenue reached $60 billion, up 28%. So they're down by, I think, missed estimates by 14%, my guess is because they keep increasing CapEx as they're now. Yeah, he's doubling, he is making a bet. Yeah, they're fully in this AI capital war. He confirmed the Meta's fielding buyout offers for its compute, hinting at an eventual cloud business and infrastructure business. I think this is a really big story, and that is everyone's moving from the front end to providing infrastructure. I wonder if it's flipping. Analysts called the AI monetization answers vague, even as CapEx guidance rose, and shares tumbled as much. As much as 11%. So this really was a tale of two cities. Microsoft revenue hit $90 billion, up 18%. While EPS was a beat, Azure passed $100 billion in annual revenue, growing 43%. Copilot seats doubled sequentially to over $30 million, up from $20 million. The thing that's interesting there is that I work or an investor in a company called Section that helps companies upskill their AI, and the general consensus among companies is that Copilot is probably the weakest of the AI products. And yet what people don't realize is when you have a recurring revenue relationship and salespeople and someone saying, "You know what, we may not have the best frontier model, but guess what, you have a recurring revenue relationship with us. It integrates into your workflow. And also, we're very security minded. Do you really want to take a chance on this new AI?" It's not the best model. Yeah. Well, that's what they do with everything. That was Explorer. That's Microsoft, right? That's Microsoft. It's good. It's good enough. You know, good enough was always the Microsoft thing. And they are, actually. I'm finding I use Alphabet Search for a lot of AI answers. Their CapEx guidance dropped a bit. Their commercial backlog climbed 84% to $680 billion. The only thing here but this, again, speaks to how smart they are investing in the growth areas of technology. Their legacy products are eroding as Windows devices fell 7% and Xbox content dropped 10%. But these companies—imagine. Imagine if you're a cable company and you had—so, their legacy products are struggling with the same thing that most media companies' legacy products. But the thing is, Warner Brothers Discovery or, you know, name the company Paramount. They also don't have TikTok or Instagram Reels. These companies early recognized that some of their legacy assets are declining and where they're so brilliant is they take that cash flow and they invest really adeptly in the future. I mean, these companies, it's just crazy how well. And then finally, Apple revenue hit 109 billion, up 16 percent, with iPhone sales climbing 22 percent to 54 billion. Apple got dinged a little bit because some of the earnings were tariff related, right? Correct. That they got money back or something. There was it lost a little action. Well, they're about to get to build a two billion dollar refund check on tariffs that consumers have already paid for. So what do they pay for the two? I mean, that thing is just so inefficient and so stupid. Services revenues was a miss, which I think took the stock down. And Cook warned memory driven supply constraints will worsen through the holiday quarter. His final call is CEO. And by the way, the guy deserves to take just the biggest of all victory laps EPS beat estimates 11 cents of that came from a one time tariff refund shares dropped roughly 7 percent because the tariff thing they were and guidance that seems to disturb their stock is how the stock has just been an unbelievable consistent performer. I have to say, of all the companies, if someone asked me who's going to win in the thing, I'd go, I'm not sure number the other thing. I'm not sure number the other one, but it's Alphabet 100 percent. So this quarter just validated again. Google was never dead. Revenue hit 120 billion, up 24 percent, beating the consensus 117 billion. The business everyone assumed AI chatbots would gut, specifically search, grew 17 percent. Right. So the notion that the the bear case on Google, the chat GPT and perplexity would eat search. It just isn't showing up in the numbers. It's not. Yeah. Cloud is now the real story, not search. Let me say they scrambled. They were behind and they scrambled to figure it out. Well, Google Cloud revenue climbed 82 percent to 25 billion with operating income. To grow to grow a business, 82 billion while I'm sorry, 82 percent while maintaining 33 percent operating. I mean, that's just that's staggering. So it's a cloud business that's going from an all surround to profitable at scale, which is hard to do. Yeah. Yeah. The cloud backlog grew to five hundred and fourteen billion. So. Sundar Pichai, he's the next Tim Cook, I think. The overhang is CapEx. And that is the stock sank in extended trading as Alphabet raised their CapEx guidance to 200 billion from the prior 180 billion. That was a number. And quarterly free cash flow went negative at 5.9 because 45 billion in CapEx outpaced operating cash flow. This is the same tension we're seeing across most of big tech, with the exception of Apple. And that is. OK, we get that AI works, but will AI pay in the CapEx you're allocating? Will we see the type of return you're expecting? But Alphabet, these earnings, cleanest illustration of a great quarter stock punished anyway, because the results were. I mean, I saw the results as just being strong on any side. The one tech company suffering for too much spending and too much debt is Oracle continues to. Stocks have been cut in half the last 12 months. Keep going. Yeah, they're the ones people that people trust Google. And to be able to keep not that Oracle's other business, their legacy business is hurting, but people are questioning their spending and their debt is close to junk, which is interesting. And a lot of debt, a lot of debt. Larry, sure you want to buy by Warner? Anyway, SpaceX. So it'll file its first earnings report. It's gonna be really interesting. It'll also the more interesting thing that probably the earnings will be that it'll be it'll unlock the largest insider share sale in market history now. Oftentimes when people are scared of shares being unlocked for sale, the markets have already anticipated that, but the company reports after market close on the 4th and the report triggers a lockup release, letting insiders sell, get this, 912 million shares. It's a big percentage. And get this, the options markets are pricing a 15% swing in either direction after results, and roughly 219 million shares are sold short, raising the odds of a strike. Squeeze if, if, if results would be, if there's a, it's sticking right now, but it's down, it's down in one month. It's down 30, 31%, essentially six months, 31 year to date 30. Yeah, it's, it's been cut in half since its intraday peak up to 25 and it's 20% below its IPO listing price of $135. So it's technically a broken IPO. And this is despite the fact that underwriters typically set first quarter targets low during the roadshow to guarantee an early beat when, whenever I've been on a board where we take a company public, we basically book, we basically lock the first quarter earnings call that it'll be a beat. So prediction, give me a prediction for space. Will Tesla be folded in and. Well, you said it, this is your prediction. You said that you think Tesla will be folded in, that he's planning to put all of it under one roof. Yeah. And that's why Tesla shares are holding like above 300. I think it'd crash if that wasn't a possibility. Um, but what, what do you, what do you, okay. SpaceX prices at 110 right now, when you return from your social. Uh, so as much as I like to ship both SpaceX, if I were to make a bet, it would be that there'll be a significant pop because of all the short selling and the anything but bad news will result in a short squeeze that sends the stock up temporarily, but it'll be a sugar high and the stock will resume it's downward March. But on earnings, if, unless earning, unless there's a surprise to the downside, which there shouldn't be on the first earnings call any, any glimmer of like, oh, maybe there's some. Um, you know, this is a great company, any buying is like a bunch of people trying to get through a crowded door because so many people have shorted the stock. So if I, if I have to predict on after hours, after hours, a bit of a short squeeze and up, and then it quickly resumes it's downward March. And also Elon's behavior so far, he's had a pretty bad couple of weeks. And maybe if Gwen shot, well, is the one talking, maybe if he shuts up, that would work. And there's like, he's, he's really boasting a lot of crazy shit right now. Like, like, do you have anything else to do? But. Post crazy shit. I mean, it's not Spencer Pratt level crazy, but still, all right, let's go on a quick break. When we come back, AI hacks and cyber chaos. Support for the show comes from Framer. If your team wants a website that looks and feels handcrafted, but is still fast to ship, Framer is built for that. Design on a visual canvas with responsive layouts, hosting, and a CMS built in. So the work is production ready from day one agents work alongside you to draft pages and polished sections. Then you review and publish what goes live. 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This cyber chaos era is really, I think, problematic and dangerous given the lack of AI regulation. And speaking of cyber attacks, something that Nicole Perlroth told me in a recent interview that what was going to happen, federal authorities are warning critical U.S. infrastructure could be at risk after seven states reported cyber attacks on water and wastewater system, which is precisely what she predicted. The warning comes after U.S. officials say Iran was likely behind the coordinated cyber attack on water systems in Minnesota. Trump is blaming Minnesota Governor Tim Walz for that, saying Iran has bigger problems than worrying about Minnesota. I don't even know what he's talking about. Talk a little bit about this, because they really, these things are jumping out of sandboxes because that's their job to jump out of sandboxes, right? If you're going to be a hacker, if you tell it to hack, it'll hack. I think a lot of people are really under-reporting this story, these attacks, because with AI, you really can. It's not just Iran. It could be just anyone. It could be Spencer Pratt attacking Minnesota. You know, with these tools. Yeah, but you used the correct term. This is more Jurassic Park than Terminator or Skynet, because someone left the gate open. But they purposely did, right? No, they didn't. They got out. They jumped out. But someone, someone, in my understanding, gave the AI directions on how to go get this. It just, they were shocked by how creative and ambitious it was. Right, right, right. And so it's more, I think this is a story of competence, not sentience. Okay. And that is, this is why we need regulation. If you were to, if you were to have AI basically say, the moment you perceive an existential threat, launch our birds, our missiles, you have to have a person somewhere in there. Or you have to have an AI that says, okay, any kind of existential threat to humanity that results in the harming of anybody or economic harm or doing anything illegal needs to send up red flags that notify a regulatory body, the executives. So what I don't get is, I think this is super interesting that these things might, it's like, the thing I thought of, and this is a weird analogy, but there were, there were Japanese soldiers in the hills of the Philippines, 20 years after the war ended, who used to come down and terrorize the villages and shoot at perceived enemies because they had orders. They were sent in the hills towards, the end of the war, and they were, they said, go into the hills, we have to withdraw because we're getting beaten, but terrorize the fucking village and Americans and the enemy. And 20 years later, these individuals that were part of the Imperial Army, they were still following their orders. And they actually, I thought this was such an interesting story. In one case, they had to find the commanding officer. This is like, I think in the fifties or sixties. To stop. To, and then transport the commanding officer to, to the hill where they think these guy was hanging out and start yelling, I am, you know, major or general Takashito, come down. You are relieved of your duty. And that was the analogy. I thought these AIs are taking their orders very seriously, but someone did give it the order. And where I go is the same place. And that is, you wouldn't sell if this, if this technology, according to the, the leaders of these firms is more powerful. More powerful than nuclear bombs. Well, you wouldn't let Oppenheimer sell these bombs into Procter and Gamble. Right. No, I agree. So we need, we need a thick layer of, of friction. And let me use the R word regulation. That doesn't mean, and by the way, folks, good regulation is good for industries. They know what rules they're playing by. It, it, it shields them from frivolous lawsuits. I think, I think we're getting to the point with these guys where they're actually pretty sincere in saying, let's figure out a way that we don't just ruin it for all of us. And let's figure out, again, 60 day waiting period on any new product to battle to test the shit out of it. Give it, start asking it, hey, is there any way you can figure out a super virus and see what happens? I mean, one of the things that, that's, you know, gain of function testing is a little bit disturbing, actually. One of the things that strikes me every time, because I've interviewed dozens of people who, who exactly explained what could happen. Like they're like, this could happen. This could happen. Every time that one of these stories breaks, these companies are shocked. It jumped. And I'm always like, what are you, it's like your kid, like your kid is a troublemaker and you're shocked. Like it's sort of like me saying, I'm shocked that, that Saul found the starbursts hidden in my drawer. Like I just am not shocked. I know he will. He's a very inventive kid. It just is, he wants the starburst, right? It just, it's, that to me is the, like, and it, since they're shocked, why don't we just make the rules for them? Like, since we're not shocked, this is what happens. And, you know, the fact that, I mean, the Trump administration has been one big giveaway to the AI industry in a way that's now very dangerous as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious, so you speak to more, and I'm going to use air quotes, experts, as in they're actual experts. Yes. Experts who know what they're talking about. Yeah. And you know how I feel. I tend to think some of this catastrophizing, as a fundraising strategy. But what, what have the people you've talked to about this, hugging bear, jumping the lab, what do they think about, what have they said about it? Is this the threat that people are worried about? They feel as if they are not correctly anticipating the problems. It's sort of like, okay, if you put a knife on the steering wheel, maybe if there's an accident, someone's going to be knifed. Like that's, they're sort of like not, you know, normal, normal, one of the jobs I was going to do if I worked for the government, if I had gotten in, but I'm gay, was anticipatory. Sinner. Sinner. Yes, I know, sinner. Sinner. Was anticipation of stuff like this, like really true anticipation. Like, okay, here's the, you know, I love, remember the movie, Three Days of the Condor? That's what he did. Oh my God, Robert Redford and the most beautiful, one of the most beautiful women of the 20th century. Who am I talking about? Faye Dunaway. Spectacular. Yeah, that's a fantastic fucking movie. What an amazing movie. Chinatown, The Three Musketeers, beautiful woman. I am so dating myself right now. Did I tell you about the time I had a highball at the Polo Lounge with Angie Dickinson? Angie Dickinson. I used to party with these cool cats in Cuba. Yeah, Lee Grant. I've met Johnny Carson. Lee Grant. I'm trying to think of people that year, beautiful women that year. Yes, I mean, I just- Ann Margaret. Jesus Christ. The best. Spectacular. Okay, we're not aging ourselves. Let's move forward in age. Oh my God. Ann Margaret is hot, hot. Go watch Ann Margaret dance in any way, and she's as relevant today as she ever was. I had a little thing for Charo when I was eight. Okay, we're stopping. Her and Barbara Eden, yeah. Yes, master. Jeannie, go to your bottle. I have come so far. I have come so far. If you had Jeannie, you would put her in her bottle. I know that. Oh, no, I wouldn't. No, you just can't. Anyway, we're not going to talk about it. I think Barbara Eden, did I tell you I sat next to Barbara Eden on a flight to New York when I was- Yeah. When I was a first year analyst at Morgan Stanley? She's still beautiful. Gorgeous and super nice too. Yeah, she's lovely. She's lovely. Anyway, we're getting off point. Sorry, go ahead. This is dangerous and could kill us, okay? So, guys, we need some- The AI has escaped the bottle and is killing Larry Hagman. Has stuck a shank in his neck. Anyway, guys, we need regulation. It's not coming from this, and the danger is we'll have over-regulation if something terrible happens. That is what will happen. That is exactly- It's time to do it in the right way now, and you need to stop. Okay, now, I'm going to get to another story. Elon Musk is diving into politics, despite recently telling The Economist he got too involved before. Now he's authorizing his super PAC to spend between $100 and $120 million to help GOP in the midterms. He's already spent a lot. Elon's PAC has a poorly planned on spending on House races in states including California, Wisconsin, and Washington. It's also targeting key Senate races in Alaska, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, and Ohio. And the Democratic Senate candidate, who's running against Susan Collins in Maine, released an ad about Elon's spending. He specifically, he usually talks about him being a logger and being a man of the people. But let's listen to this ad that he put out this weekend. And here's why he's spending $100 million across these states, because he wants to have people that are totally beholden to him and Donald Trump. Making sure that we're getting tax cuts for billionaires on the back of our health care system, on the back of our hospitals. That's what Elon Musk wants. He doesn't care about us. Really, he doesn't care about Susan. He cares about him. So I would say, and to you, Elon, Maine and really the whole United States doesn't want your dirty money in our politics. You know, you don't get to buy the government that you want. This is about all of us coming together and fighting for the government that we deserve. And you're not in it. Ah, you're not in it. Oh, I love dirty politics. Elon lost in Wisconsin. He spent $25 million. $25 million there. I think this is a very effective ad. And he also sounds like he's about to go fell a tree at any moment. The silver lining here is that it appears that money is showing a lesser and lesser return on electoral politics. And some of these PACs, I wonder if at some point, if attaching Musk money to a candidate begins to hurt them. I don't know if you've seen what's going on. If I were a candidate, distinct of your values, I wouldn't take money from AIPAC right now. Yeah. I think it has become such a toxic brand, AIPAC. So can billionaires have to be on AIPAC. Whether you agree with them or not. But I wonder if at some point, I mean, the example I keep going back to, Tom Steyer, who I thought was a reasonable candidate. Tom is not a bad person. I don't care what you think about him. No, my son liked him. My son liked him. I don't care what you think about his politics. I think it's hard to argue he's not a good man with his heart in the right place, cares about the environment, understands business. He spent a quarter of a billion dollars and he came in third place. And, you know, it ended up he'd hired influencers and they think that that's some sort of controversy. I'm like, welcome to politics. I know, that was stupid. I'm wondering how many of them with money are doing the same thing. Anyways, it's Citizens United. So broken record here. OK, the problem isn't that people, well, the problem is that people can spend money on politics. The problem is we have so much income inequality and so much concentration of wealth, which equates to power in a capitalist society. Are we comfortable? He could spend 15 billion and it wouldn't mean anything to him. Are we that comfortable? I mean, we have our billionaires. We have, you know, George Soros or whoever on the left. But at some point when you have someone who could say if they get emotional or pissed off or really high when I think, you know what, I think I'm going to spend 10 billion dollars. Are we comfortable with that? I'm not as freaked out about this because I wonder if at some point the economists did a great article on this and it said that money in politics is having less impact than reported, which I think is really interesting. Well, it could be. What are your thoughts? It could be. I think I'm just curious what you think. I'm going to let Scott talk more in this episode because I think this is actually right. Is this an effective ad to attack Elon? I think it is. I think it worked in Wisconsin. I think the people of Wisconsin are not unlike the people of Maine. I don't think they like it. He also sort of just dismisses Susan. He doesn't really care about Susan. She's hardly matters here. He's just buying his way into our government. And the two things that I thought were effective here were doesn't want your dirty money in our politics, which I love. I thought that was beautifully said. And then this is about the government we deserve and you're not in it. There was a little bit of you're not from here, are you, fella? Like that kind of thing. Like I thought it was quite effective in this state. I think it probably is. If you rob a bank, there's typically within the money or there's a bomb that goes off and sprays you with indelible ink. I think these people are trying to put a bomb of indelible ink around certain people. And I think they're trying to put a bomb of indelible ink around certain types of money. And do you think it's effective, this particular message, Troy? Look what's happening with AIPAC in the Michigan Democratic Senate primary, the attack line against God, I'm blanking on her name. Haley Stevens. An attack line is you've taken AIPAC money. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if it's about to become you've taken Musk money and that's what they're trying to do here. They're trying to nest inside of this money from him with a paint bomb. And I actually think it's quite effective. And you don't have to be, you know, Alex votes in Michigan. I know he mentioned it to me. He's like, what the heck? Why is all this AIPAC money here? And I have to say, you know, it's interesting because some money works. Like, Louis really liked Tom Steyer. I don't know how, I don't know who either of them voted, but he is certainly not averse to Al-Sayed. And Alex is more conservative, I would say, than Louis. Louis is like DSA, essentially. But Louis was attracted to Tom Steyer. That's because it's your egg, right? No, no. I still don't understand how that all works. I wouldn't have voted for Tom Steyer, but that's, I mean, I like Tom Steyer, but I don't know who, I didn't like any of the choices in California. But I'm saying it depends. I think, I would assume Louis found out about Tom Steyer from these paid influencers. I don't know. But it's the AIPAC thing. I don't think you're giving him enough credit. Maybe he just did the work on his own. He did. He did. But in Michigan, a lot of young people like my son do not like this. And they're, you know, I know they're trying to say they're anti-Semitic. They're anti-Semitic for doing that. I just don't think they like the, like, get your money out of our politics. I think that's the stronger thing. And in Michigan, it happens to be AIPAC. In other places, it's other. In Maine, it's Elon money. Well, again, another woman who did just an amazing job and was forcefully dignified was, I believe she's the editor of The Economist. I'm blanking on it. Yes, Zannie Benno. She's so impressive. Yeah. But she highlighted, I thought the puncturing moment, the pop that really, like, showed you how just ridiculous it is. He's all over British politics. Like, our new kind of export, biggest export from the U.S. is political divisiveness. We've decided to export that into other countries. And she asked him, and I thought that, she's like, when's the last time you were in England? Years ago. And he's like, oh, a few years ago. And she's like, you know what the fuck is going on here? When people ask me about the U.K., I was caveated with, I don't live in England. I live in Marlborough. I'm in such a bubble. I don't. I don't really feel. But I think she was making the point that it's not, like, covered with immigrants killing people. If you would believe Elon Musk, you would think that England has been taken over by Muslim rape gangs. She made that point, and she was like. And he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. And anyways, my point is, he's the last person to be talking as if he has his finger on the pulse of what's actually happening in England. And also, it's. It's one thing to be pouring money into Michigan as a U.S. citizen. It's another to be exporting political divisiveness to another country. That's just like, I don't, I don't, you know, it's like, quite frankly, boss, it's none of your fucking business. Get your dirty money out of our politics. And I wonder, I wonder, well, actually, England has much stronger campaign finance laws. And also, you know, not that it's helping. I think I'm on my fourth prime minister since moving there four years ago. I'm like, who is it now? I'm like. Literally, it's like when my dad used to show. It's a handsome man now. When my dad, after he left my mom, would show up with my new mommy, I wouldn't get attached because there'd be someone, another lovely lady, the next week in the living room drinking Lancer's wine with my dad. Lancer's. Lancer's. You're really going back, Scott. Anyway, Elon, your dirty money doesn't work. Nice job, Troy. All right. Let's go on a quick break. We come back. Oh, my favorite story, Scott. Trump administration turns on each other over the reflecting pool. By the way, there was. There was a controversy over whether they could use the term master even back then and whether she could show her navel. And, spoiler alert, Larry Hagman had a reputation for being exceptionally difficult on set because he had creative differences. I love that. It's like when the Go-Go's broke up over creative differences. I'm like, that is so ridiculous. He became amazing in Dallas. Come on. J.R. Ewing. What an amazing role. That was turned from the hero to, like, total villain. Anyway. Hottest woman in the world. What was that girl? Oh, my God. Victoria Principal, another hottie. Oh, my God. Okay. All right. Oh, my God. Went out with Lance Renssel, wide receiver from the Los Angeles Rams, who got a misdemeanor public exposure charge. I'm going to let you do this today because you're leaving, but. I would have loved to seen those two go at it. She was so hot. And we'll be back. So hot. Goodbye. The future of law is agentic. Not just tools. Not just tools that assist, but AI agents that navigate complex matters. Harvey was built on legal agents that analyze, draft, and execute with precision. 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difficulty but major damage was caused by vandals which there is zero proof and interior secretary doug bergham who is like the definition of a suck-up is trying to stand trump's good graces saying he gave the u.s attorney expert and eyewitness testimony to the damage done by vandals um what he this is crazy this is janine was like i'm not getting disbarred for this nincompoop and speaking of pushback marjorie taylor green posted a photo over the weekend alongside tucker carlson thomas massey and a few others writing the movement has begun so the anti-trump the anti the anti-anti-anti-trumpers i don't know whatever anyway i told you this reflecting pool was gonna is it indicative of other things yeah it's just such a distraction i wonder if if it's planned for them but janine pirro did her research and she found that essentially every lawyer i mean literally every lawyer that gets near whether it's rudy giuliani whether it's michael cohen any lawyer that gets near uh trump ends up getting disbarred yeah i mean it's striking if you look at like eight of the ten last lawyers that that were representing they get they end up getting disbarred or fined or worse and there's no loyalty there there's no i mean you want to talk about in vietnam they used to take i think the the second you know lieutenant or whatever it was the platoon leader marks off your helmet because that the platoon leader marks off your helmet because that the platoon leader was given strict instructions this is the person you take out first yeah you think she'll refile given all the pushback i don't see she can because the judge the judge in this case said you better be very careful young lady our old lady drunk old lady um they uh shoot the judge was very explicit that you will be in trouble if you keep going because this is really bad and but then you know the fact that bergham or the others they just when are they going to give that i just i have no idea this guy had a relatively okay reputation but him and besant to me are the real shockers in terms of like how much of a suck up they can compete being in this situation i think the guy who's actually taking the biggest reputation hit is todd blanch about people people who knew him at what is it the southern district uh really had a lot of respect for him some is an outstanding lawyer and a person of integrity said that what happened to you and and um so i think i think janine piero is like you know i i don't want to be disbarred this guy is going to be disbarred he's going to be disbarred he's going to be disbarred this guy's going to be out in two and a quarter years or whatever um you know i think i think her own lawyers have said to her uh be really careful here this is there's no evidence here do you think she'd refile she you think she'll try to refile anyway i don't know but the the sad part of this is the more time old king the more time we spend talking about a reflecting pool good or bad the less time we spend talking about bombs inflation and exploding diarrhea i agree with you scott but as i said this is indicative of shotty work lying cult it's it's it's a little it's much more important in terms of what these people are doing this is how far they'll go to protect an addled old man's ego which is which i think is and it links to iran no like saying oh no we better not do this or the stuff he was posting all weekend was crazy like they're willing to let crazy person who has like i just think this is exactly a distillation that's why i think it's important because one it's incompetent management they couldn't fix the reflecting pool and then they did it made it worse two they then tried to blame an american citizen you know of something he didn't do like these weird prosecutions are also days this what they did to renee good what they did to everybody else what they're doing to immigrants it's like they just jail people and just to please him and so that's why it's important it's it's it's it's a we think this is amazing and let me tell you doug burden the shame of this will not outlive you and i will be around to remember it for all of us same thing with best sense and you're right todd blanche you're all like this cheney is the one who said this is long after this guy is gone the dishonor on you will remain and janine piero decided to get out before anthony scaramucci i mean he summarized it correctly when he tries to you know the the flame the side by the way i saw the odyssey this weekend the flame the sirens call of power and proximity of the president everyone believes they're going to be the one that can navigate it and serve the country while not being guilty they they all hear the siren call and they think that they cannot be immune to it he is political chernobyl who has gone on to great things from his first administration and in in the latest episode of where are they now i just want to go over where trump's lawyers are now roy cone was disbarred you know he's dead now michael cohen disbarred pleaded guilty to tax campaign and false statements crimes rudy giuliani disbarred in new york and dc 150 million in defamation damages alina haba sanctioned one million dollars for frivolous litigation boris epstein pending az criminal charges in fake electoral case john eastman disbarred in california and subpoenaed in dc arizona criminal case pending kenneth chesborough disbarred in new york a wisconsin case pending i mean literally it's second lieutenant in vietnam to be a lawyer for this guy listen the old man's losing it guys you better get on the janine pirro express out of town you know and you know green and tucker carlson and massey are going to take advantage there is a trend and right after the elections as long as they're done correctly um it's done guys it's done you better get off this fucking train if judge is getting off you need to exit as fast as possible yeah kenneth kenneth cheese bro if that might saying his name chesborough cheese bro um he was the attorney who was basically the architect of the fake elections narrative he was just disbarred in the state of new york just i mean wake up folks he's chernobyl you stick around this guy long enough you're getting leukemia anyway uh one more quick break we'll be back for wins and fails and then scott departs the scene do you hear that that sound right that means that summer's officially here it means that grown adults just sprint into the street for a frozen dessert shaped like a cartoon but this summer mint mobile has a better tree every plan including unlimited is 15 a month and unlike ice cream it won't uh drip down your wrist or look nothing like the picture does anyone have any cash give it a try at mint mobile.com switch upfront payment of 45 for three months 90 for six months or 180 for 12 month plan required 15 per month equivalent taxes and fees extra new customer offer for initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when 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on this podcast i think that's the widest thing we've ever said on this podcast Podcast. And we've said some pretty translucent things here. In any case, I'm very happy they did that. Congratulations. They're all, let me tell you, I've been in touch with a lot of these people. They're all working on some really great things. The New York Post got it wrong about Bill Owens this week. But they're all working on some cool things and a little bit invigorated. Like, you know, and I was with Don Limon, Limon, this week. And he's invigorated. I was on Astrid Herndon's show, America Actually, which I loved. And I got to say, invigorated. All these people feel invigorated. So it's not always a bad thing. It's bad for 60 minutes, but it's really good for you and your souls. You'll have a great time out here in the wilderness. And my fail is there's a story in the New York Times about Paul Weiss, the law firm. And the downfall of how they acquiesced to Trump, largely because of a single partner who seems like an asshole, and sort of the ruining of another guy who had been a beacon of civil rights, pro bono work, et cetera, is really devastating. Just how quickly, speaking of people giving in and being, you know, ruined by the Trump people. This was a really sad story. These are the people that should defend us. This was a firm that was well-known for defending people, like people who marginalized people, all manner of things. Just a very legendary firm, which just essentially took the money and started treating, like, behaving in a way that was so grabby. You're so rich, you lawyers. It was a grotesque. I recommend you read it. It's a long read. And it was just, it was really, it was really upsetting to read, I have to say. And I'll just say one more thing. FIFA President Gianni Infantino has scrapped his proposal to sell stakes in the World Cup after backlash. And it looks like he may be in trouble. There's many more reports. I think several people who don't usually speak out have said he should leave. But we know someone who predicted this. Let's hear a clip from last week. My prediction is that this ridiculous notion that, uh, one of the most corrupt organizations is going to get financing from a crime family, the Trump family, to take FIFA private and or turn it into a public company. This won't happen. There you go, Scott. All right. All yours. There you go. Um, you stole some of my thunder. Like, I have, I could position one as a fail, but I'll position both as a win. And, um, these. Global athletic oversights, whether it's the IOC, uh, FIFA, or even I would argue the NC two way that was comfortable with white guys in their fifties, making millions of dollars and claiming that the nonwhite people on the hardwood were not allowed to make money because of the purity of the sport. Yeah, there's just so much, these organizations benefit so much from the goodwill and the fact, especially the international organizations operate in this nether netherland. Gianni Infantino is so corrupt. FIFA is so corrupt. And the fact that it really does, it's just, this sport really does bring people together and at some point they're just going to, do you know how many people really talented, I mean, take a guy who's lost an elect, take a guy like Mitt Romney. I don't find somebody just an amazing person whose integrity is unimpeachable. Scott Galloway. Uh, I, I think I'm, I'm, I think you're impeachable, yeah, I'm impeachable according to, at least according to Twitter this weekend, I've heard both of us are impeached, but my point is find somebody, there are so many people who have incredible integrity character, understand sponsorships, understand business who absolutely adore this game and would take this job for a dollar and bring real and say, okay, what's the job? Not only the tournament, but how do we get more young people playing sports? How do we raise the visibility of emerging nations? How do we bring people together in between the World Cups and make nations feel better about one another? How do we just have, how do I just write in my final act, a love letter to the sport? Instead, we have these corrupt individuals that see it as a corpus for their own enrichment. Yeah, he should just leave and go hang out with rich people. So, I am really pleased that the public and their love of the sport, you know what I mean? Love of the game just threw up all over this guy and his idea to get the Kushners to finance taking it private and trying to figure out a way to monetize what is, what is the UN that's actually working and that is football. It's actually bringing people together. In any case, you're right. This was a great prediction. So, is he out out? Do you think he's out? You did say you thought he wouldn't. I don't. These governing bodies are so, like what court oversees it? Yeah. And so, it's, it's difficult. I think it's tough. And in addition, these guys, these guys grease. Everybody and pay them off. They have friends everywhere because they, they give money in the form of quote unquote development revenues to, I mean, they have, they're not dumb. They, they've, they've greased a lot of palms. They're a mob family. I think your first prediction is correct. I think he's out. Oh, really? I'll, I'll, I hope so. Again, it's the same problem we have with Trump. We need ideas and a vision for, for FIFA, not just shit posting the incumbent. Yep. That's a fair point. That we need ideas. And let's find, let's find someone unimpeachable who would raise their hand. Yeah. And say, you know what, I, I would, I would like to do this. Like, you know, I think, you know, I, I don't know if it's. Cuban? I think he'd be great. I think I've, I've always been a fan of Tony Blair. He evokes a, a gag reflex from people. He's got a lot hanging on him. Cuban. Yeah. Fair enough. But there's gotta be somebody out there that people just have a ton of goodwill around who loves the game and says, what I'm gonna bring to the game is the following. I'm gonna bring goodwill and unimpeachable integrity. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be fucking Mormon. I'm gonna be literally, I'm thinking about Mitt Romney again. I, I, I may get it wrong. But I will never deceive you or enrich myself. I still take Scott Galloway. I don't, I don't know enough about the game. Can I, can I ask you one question? Sure. I'm gonna prompt you. Are you saying all the, I'm so sad you said not a word about it, but wicker, all the, the story of, uh, the basket that fucks a woman, have you noticed this going all over the internet? I'm surprised you haven't, cuz there was all these penis jokes about wicker. Jesus Christ. I feel so out of it. Oh my God. I, I didn't find out that failed mayoral candidates were shitposting me until you forwarded. When, when I, I'm, I'm not exaggerating. When I go into August, I try to put my phone away. I try not to go on social media. I know. I try not to read the news. Cuz I find by the time I get to August, I'm a nervous wreck. All right. When you come back, I want wicker jokes. There's one that say, I wonder if JD Vance is gonna see wicker. Um, it, it, there's a lot of very funny, funny jokes. The wicker trailer's called, uh, someone called me. Someone called the wicker trailer or Nokia. And all I can say is I guarantee you that was the original name of the script and film. Anyway, it looks great. I didn't see that. Yeah, I haven't seen that. I did see the odyssey though. Um, yeah. And in a word epic, absolutely epic. And I, I just, the thing that really struck me about it was I think it could have been, I really respect filmmakers and directors and studios that green light something that has so much downside risk. I mean, the scene with a cyclops, it could have so easily been cheesy CGI and you believe there's a cyclops and every scene that you'd heard about, there was just a certain grit and Ronis. I thought the performances were outstanding across the board. I want to go to an island where I get high and fuck a hot model and forget how to get home. I'm like, what a shocker. I love like I've forgotten how to get home. So I have to hang out with Charlie Saron and get high every day. But I've forgotten how to get back to my wife. You'd still be on that island. Oh my God. Where is that island? You would be like. Charlize, I'm coming. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you loved it. Good. That was fucking hilarious. The guy, he's literally in Ibiza doing X, fucking the hottest woman and he's forgotten how to get home to Liverpool in his life. Yeah. Anyways. Very nice. Very nice. I'm glad you liked it. I'll move on. My, my win. Uh, the outstanding. Yeah. Uh, journalism and forceful yet dignified, uh, performance this weekend of Dana Bash, uh, Margaret Brennan and last week, Caitlin Collins. I just think these, I think these individuals define the term professional. Yep. I was. And Caitlin will be here to replace you. There you go. That's talk about an upgrade, but I, I, the clips I saw this weekend, I used to watch meet the press and face the nation, the whole show. Now I'm part of the Pepsi generation. I just watched the clips. I thought, I admire that they are so calm and just right on the spot. Push back thoughtfully. You actually do this quite well. Thank you. And, uh, Jess Tarlov does this quite well, but I was so impressed. What do we all have in common, Scott? Well, the future is female, Kara. The future is female. I needed you to say that before you left. No, we're. Yeah. No, we're, we're totally. That's a good one. That's a perfect way. We're replaceable. Yeah. We're replaceable. Yeah. Yeah. We're data centers and then we're totally, then we have no use. No use. No use. Although lesbian mechanics can do it anyway. And construction workers. That's my, anyways, my, my win is my wins. Multiple wins are throwing up on, uh, Gianni Anfantino and his ridiculous monetization of the world's, you know, the, the beautiful game. I thought the odyssey was spectacular and I went into it with high expectations because Christopher Nolan is my favorite director. And also just the, just the professionalism of Dana Bash, Caitlin Collins and Margaret Brennan. There you go. Oh, my goodness, as you say. There you go, Scott. There you go. Anyway, we want to hear from you. Send us your questions about business, tech, or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com slash pivot to submit a question for the show or call 855-51-PIVOT. And elsewhere in the Karen Scott universe this week, and on with Kara Swisher, I'm speaking with Rosie O'Donnell. She's staging her one-woman show in New York right now, and then she's headed to L.A. to guest host Jimmy Kimmel later this month. Let's listen to her explain how she plans to deal with Trump. I plan on doing what Jimmy Kimmel has done so beautifully, which is giving it to him in a comedic, honest, truthful way. And I will do that as big as I can. Now, the song that I sang in my show, If He Only Had a Brain, I wanted to do that on Kimmel, but they just told me I can't. Oh. That they couldn't get permission for the parody because it's political content. And I was like, well, that is absurd to me because we used to do parodies every day on my show. Right. Wait. I don't understand. Well, I've been told I'm not allowed to do that. Now, I don't know. It's not Jimmy. Would you like to sing a bit of it here? Yes. Go ahead. His approval rate is 30. His diaper's always dirty. I think the guy's insane. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It was a good interview. Oh, just a penis joke. You're so happy. It was really good. Go watch her show. It's terrific. And Scott, as I said, this is our last show together before Scott Free August gets underway. The saddest time of the year for me, obviously. That stuff, I know. People might be wondering about your whereabouts over the next month, so we're getting ahead of things by releasing a proof-of-life photo right now. What is that? I can't see it. Oh, my gosh. I am Elaine Chao. That's hilarious. And you are, of course, our friend and the late Mitch McConnell. The late, possibly late Mitch McConnell. We'll put that proof-of-life pics on our social media. Okay, that is the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot. Make sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. I'll be back on Friday with special. 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