RFK Jr. Eviscerates Dana Bash

What's up? What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. I'm Dave Smith. He's Robby the Fire Bernstein. How are you today, sir? I'm doing well, man. Having fun out on the porches. Get on my repson. Very good, very good. What's the next stop for you? I've got a wall pole, Massachusetts, Newton, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and then upcoming weekends in Madison, Wisconsin, Philly, PA, Doyle's Town, and Myersville, so whoo all over the floor. Forgedoor.com. Forgedoor.com. And then what do you mean, you great time down there in Fort Lauderdale, getting some song. That was a lot of fun. I got to say that Fort Lauderdale in Prov club. Beautiful, beautiful club in a great room, a great room for comedy. If you're in that area, go check that out. We got, she's what is our next thing, Rob? I think it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, great, great room. We had a great time there. August 13 through 15 skyline comedy club. Me and Rob will be out there. Then I got the comedy mother ship. We got Louville, Fort Worth Dallas, a lot of stuff coming up. Comic Dave Smith dot com for all those ticket likes. All right, so, by the way, I'm not, I know it seems as if I'm, I'm broadcasting from like a place, yeah, like absent of time and space or something like I'm just, this is where I am. The around war has not, hasn't started yet, and also it's always been going on. This is, I mean, I mean, I mean, John Rolls, Val of ignorance right now, just deciding. Anyway, so I don't know. There's a few things that I really wanted to talk about today. And once again, Rob, we're in this cycle, we're like, I guess the first thing we have to talk about is the war. I don't, I don't know what to say, man, this is unlike anything else I've ever covered. It's just unlike anything else. It's, it's, it's, it's almost like we have to keep talking about it because it's the most important thing. And honestly, like, nuclear, the worst case scenarios of like global economic depression or nuclear exchange or World War III, however remote all three of those might be, I certainly don't think the latter two are likely or anywhere close to likely. I think the economic depression is the global economy is the scariest of most realistic, I should say, not scariest, scariest because it's most likely. But when all of that is on the line, you kind of have to talk about it all the time, but my God, at the end of this, all you can say is that everybody who's a skeptic of this has been completely proven right. I mean, everybody who supported the 12-day war and the whole goddamn hawkishness toward around for the whole last year plus have just been absolutely proven to be the, the goddamn biggest morons on the face of the planet. And we're in the same cycle for the goddamn 15 time. I don't know how you're actually watching at this point. I feel like even like the people who supported this war are rolling their eyes at how you're seriously telling me am I seriously here to bring you the news that yesterday Donald Trump threatened mass acts of terror against the Iranian people. And then Rob, you wouldn't believe it. He talked, and now he's promising that their negotiations Rob statement from the Farm Minister of Iran today, we're not negotiating, but Donald Trump says we're very close to a deal. What can you even say about this, Rob? What do we do? I think the point at this point is just to push us to the verge of insanity, and then at least the critics of the war are taken out. Yeah, I think it's maybe the six or seven time Donald Trump has played this exact scheme where he says, hey, we're going for it, we're taking out their power plants and then goes, nope, it deals on the table so I don't have to do it. The one thing that's on the table that's a little bit different this time is Saudi Arabia apparently called him up and said you can't do this. Apparently, you know, we're bailing out Japan because they were about to sell a bunch of treasuries to try and boost their own currency. And I heard it on, I only watched a little bit of it, but there was a bit of a conspiracy brewing on Mario Now a false show, who's a great Twitter follower for the war that essentially-- Great, excellent. Yeah, he's great, man. He interviewed me about the war, I don't know, a couple of months ago. I think I think he had, I might even get a request to go back on there. I like him a lot. He does a good show and he's a really good Twitter follower. But I guess there was some speculation that Saudi Arabia threatened to dump treasuries as well, which is what it might have been what pushed back Trump this time. In the same circle. The Saudi angle on all this stuff is kind of interesting. And I think, you know, this is, there's be a better topic for like Scott to break down the main as most of these things when it comes to the details of them. But there's like, there's been, as you know, Rob, right, like just in this war, there's been a lot of kind of contradictory reporting about where Saudi Arabia was on the war. I saw reporting that was like, they were really pushing for it at the beginning. And then I saw reporting that they were against it the whole time. And so I'm, you know, it's hard to tell what's exactly true here. Like, there's no question that Saudi Arabia, their regional rivals with Iran. And so they very much want Iran to be, you know, diminished. Obviously, like a big SUNY Gulf state and the big Shiite state are not friends with each other. And so obviously like they like the idea of this country. You know, like you could, anyway, you could understand where they might be kind of for the war, but you could also understand where there could have some concerns about it. I just think it's kind of interesting that, okay, I know for a fact, right? I've heard a whole bunch of like the highest level Saudi government officials really complaining about the war in Iraq. Like they were very upset that the US overthrew Saddam Hussein because that was a balance against Iran. And they were like, hey, it used to be like all of us against Iran. And now you've given Baghdad to the Shiites who are very closely aligned with Iran. So they weren't happy about that. But then I've also heard other people make the claim that they were on board with the war in Iraq at the beginning. Anyway, during this war, I heard all of the Zionists make the claim that, look, if anything, it's Saudi who's dragging us into this war. You know, if you're looking for another country, it's probably Saudi Arabia who's dragging us into this. And what the reporting, what's interesting is that both now, if you remember with them, was a project freedom. And now in this latest round, it's been openly reported by everyone involved with no one seeming to really take issue with that. But Saudi has been shutting this shit down. And so they just, I don't know, this, that throws a little bit of a wrench into the narrative that like they are the ones who have really been pushing this war because it seems like, at least at certain opportunities, they actually have stopped the thing from escalating. Well, I think the Saudis have an oil business to run and they don't want all the oil fields getting blown up. And this is not great for the oil business. And they're also discovering the Americans are not a great security partner. And they're kind of just making a bigger mess over here. So I think, I think Saudis, a little bit more at risk, despite Donald Trump's claims that Iran was close to getting nuclear warheads that could take out all of Europe in the United States of America. I don't actually think sitting over here were at risk. Israel seems to be unconcerned with escalating conflicts as they just are, I guess, seemingly rooting for chaos at all time and feel that they're invincible. But Saudi Arabia and the other oil partners are definitely sitting there like guys, we need to move on. I got oil to sell. Yeah, no, I think I think that's right. And the other aspect of us that is interesting just over the last few days is that it does seem to be confirmed now by several different sources that this, this running out of interceptor business is no joke. And that we really are like bleeding our reserve. It is. It's just I don't know, man. I mean, there's so many things about this that all of this that are just so appalling, but rub the fact that we've been ripped off to the tune of like 20 trillion dollars in the last 30 years on militarism. And this is what we could afford for all of it was literally rub five months with a with a third world with a strong third world country and that's what we could get for for 20 trillion dollars. Really, it's like, I mean, you know, the amount of devastation that that has done to the economy and for real jobs and real increases in the standard of living. You know, you extract 20 trillion dollars from the economy and instead of having that instead of having those resources going to producing things that human beings desire to improve their quality of life, you steal the money, spend it on bombs that blow up and kill people, you know, blow up a bridge and kill a bunch of people. And you have to rebuild the bridge literally nothing of economic production has been done with any of that nothing that makes anyone's lives better. And you know, talk about when they say, oh, but it creates American jobs talk about the most comi shit you've ever heard in your life. Oh, well, then good. Why isn't that? Why doesn't just why don't we just have the government employ 100% of the population into making bombs. And then we can all think about how rich we are as we starve to death. Infections. Yeah, it's also remarkable that, you know, Trump's I rebuilt my military in the first term, which means he spent more on it. To me, rebuilding it might be getting the Pentagon tax. pass an audit and figure out why it is that we're spending so much money on equipment that's outdated and can actually not that I'd like to see more military adventurism or the government incentivize because they feel like they can win these things but you'd like to think that they got their shit together enough that if they're picking these fights they got the supplies for it and they got a strategy for winning and they just don't but rebuilding the military just means hey we need supplementary supplementary spending now just a little bit more money on the thing you didn't want we just need to spend more money on these tools that are outdated and don't work all right guys let's take a moment and think our sponsor for today's show which is my patriot supply a great company who I love and they're the ones who I trust for my family's preparedness food security should never depend on perfect weather flawless supply chains are fully 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looking for new creative and unconventional ways to pressure and punish around so that's where we're at hey you guys got anything you know what do you guys think yeah man this is just I guess at the very beginning of this war you know the first kind of thing I think I think the first episode we did after Donald Trump launched the war really the what we just said is look he's destroyed his presidency is destroyed the coalition this is it this is the end of his legacy nothing good's gonna come and that he's just it's it's essentially we're in a game Rob this is what we've been saying consistently the whole time she goes the best thing you could do is just stop and that still sucks but it's still the best thing you can do and every time you continue this it's literally just like oh my god my foot's in quick sand I'll get it out with my hand okay I better get out with my other ways an old Homer Simpson thing I think right excuse me he goes the Homer Simpson thing once he gets he goes oh my foot stuck I'll get it out with my other foot okay I'll get it out with my hand I'll get out with my other hand he goes and now to get all of them out with my head but it's like that right but we said at the very beginning that this is man Donald Trump's just gonna bleed and bleed and bleed until he finally gets out of this thing and when he finally gets out of this thing he's gonna bleed even more popularity because even some percentage of the people they are gonna see that oh this is what we got for it or Rob were approaching six months you know the people who were saying who swore it wouldn't go beyond six weeks we're now approaching six months of this and who can defend it you know the last time the last time we came to an agreement was the memorandum of understanding right it Rob and every single hawk thought that was terrible there's not a single person who I you know I speak in hyperbole almost nobody who supported this thing supported the the mo you won't be lucky if we could get that again and that wasn't good enough for them when they got that they go oh no this isn't a good enough to slow so okay you're getting nothing here I don't know I've never I don't think I've ever seen any one of these wars ever in all the wars I've seen that were more indefensible five months in yeah well Dave we haven't bomb pickaxe mountain or taking car garland yet so you know there's still ways to escalate this and pretend that I it won't be a bigger mess well also I mean look the again this is it's just so ridiculous but like we just ran one more experiment here Rob right what Donald Trump said okay look I think I don't know I you know I'm sure he was specific in these threats too but it he you know because back in on on the Easter threat when you said every power plant and every bridge wipe out your civilization never to be returned again the if you saw this Rob was I'm sure you did the the phrase ideology he used this time was it was going to be the biggest attack since World War 2 now look this is a crazy thing for a president to say I mean just to think look when you go obviously when you invoke World War 2 I mean the you're you're talking about attacks that in total killed millions and millions and millions tens of millions of civilians individual attacks that that targeted civilians killed hundreds of thousands of them whether it's you know whatever you're talking about whether you're talking about you know Berlin or whatever Tokyo or or obviously ultimately Hiroshima Nagasaki where there's nuclear strikes it's like okay what do you but if you're saying it's the biggest since World War 2 then I mean you got a Vietnam in a Korea in there now don't get me wrong Rob I know what Donald Trump says means absolutely nothing and every supporter I and critic me knows that like it's just but just to be clear here we did as if Easter wasn't enough proof we did one more round of of the president being crazy threatening to be a terrorist and now once again just like with Easter Donald Trump is claiming that this worked and now they want to negotiate so okay I mean and then when none of that turns out to be true how many of you you know are just gonna just pretend that didn't happen move the goalposts and then to speak to them just floundering around last week they were I guess flirting with the idea of now doing a land blockade of Iran which is apparently totally not feasible and there's enough struggling routes and it's too much terrain to cover but it does seem like with both pickaxe mountain and with the land blockade the writers are basically just sitting around and looking for a storyline to try and sell anybody on some sort of a purpose or pathway to victory and they just do not come up with the coherent storyline yeah and I got to say like you know as of right now you know because if you remember and I don't even remember exactly me and you it was exactly like we really had a harsh disagreement but there were like several weeks back where I was like I think he's over it and he's fine and excuse and you were like I don't know I think you might be going back to probably I didn't since then it really is like I don't even know which one of us was right because it went to MOU and then it went back to bombing and then it went back to so like maybe we were both right or maybe you were right or I don't know but I'll say this the idea of like a ground invasion I just think that's off the table I just don't think there's it's it's the terrain is too difficult and the numbers of losses that we would take I think everyone knows that's just like unsustainable or undoable I don't think Trump's gonna nuke around I mean look I would be more concerned about him doing it than just about any other president to be honest but don't I just don't think that's gonna happen but the most likely thing to be really concerned about is that they actually do try to do one of these island games whether it's you know harmoose island or care like like there's a few different islands there I wouldn't you know this is the thing that they're floating out I don't know like are you either actually dumb enough to try this and like said you know we'll see but I guess my guess is no my guess is still like he's got like one more temper tantrum in him before he calls this quits although I gotta say um because because look I don't like I pride myself on being right about the policy but understanding exactly what's gonna happen is very hard it's very hard to predict the future and nobody's actually that great at it and all the people who get all the credit for being good at it you just have to ignore all the predictions they made that didn't come true at all um for the most part but you know some people are better at than others but like I guess I've been feeling that for a long time and I'm kind of surprised that he's even drug it on this long because it's like there's just no victory here it's nothing but loss well he refuses to accept that and I guess keeps the only get the generals to come up with an option here finally got so desperate they emailed this pollgers for hey what do you guys got for me I hope someone comes back with have we tried sharks with laser beams on their head yeah yeah yeah right no I mean that's that's about that's about where we're at and also like if all of these you know if all of this like just take carg island or just open the straighter like any of these military options that that these absolute the foolish hacks like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin they all act like what you got to do is this and this and then this like yeah okay so why haven't they done that well it hasn't the like you're telling me that like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro they know that there's this easy military option but these bozos at the Pentagon just can't figure out what that is no that when when emails are going out asking troops for creative ideas it's not because they've got an easy military option that they just have out of the kindness of their heart shows and not to employ that's not what's going on here I hope all the creative ideas was why don't you take me out of this base in the Middle East because I'm in danger for absolutely no reason and service better lunch for morale. - Yeah, there you go. - Also, maybe Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro have a point, 'cause our military was too stupid to apparently forecast that the Iranians were gonna close the straits, so maybe they're just too stupid to realize that car guidelines and easy take and that that will get Iran to fold. Who knows? Who knows how stupid our military is? - Well, the truth, but the truth with all that is that, it's, I don't believe for once, it's just not true that nobody forecasted they would close the strait of her most. I don't know, Trump got either fucking, he got moved either to just go along with it or to believe that somehow they could take him out before they would do that, but there's just no chance that there weren't a bunch of people who told him that they were gonna close the strait of her most. And also, I mean, everyone, a whole bunch of people in the national security apparatus are on record. I mean, who was it? I think, well, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, and not that I trust these democratic establishment figures, but there's a bunch of people I've heard like in the military or at the top of the national security apparatus who go in every war game ever run with Iran, they close the strait of her most. So it's not even like it would be a crazy level of incompetence to not all right, like he already had this information available to him. And I'm sorry, but like in Donald Trump's first term, there were close calls with a war in Iran. And there were actually times where he was deliberating whether or not he would strike Iran and ultimately didn't. I just absolutely do not believe that he was never informed that like this is one of the, in every war game we've ever run, this is the outcome. So by the way, keep this in mind. When you're thinking about whether or not you're gonna let's just, it's just Trump lying as always, you know? All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Brunt Workwear. Let me tell you something. If you need a durable pair of work boots, you got to go check out Brunt Workwear because not only are they a great pair of work boots, but they are the most comfortable ones you'll ever throw on. 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But maybe we could start more broadly, just kinda talking about the reaction to Fauci because it really has been, I don't know, Rob, it's been a little bit interesting for me to kind of think about COVID again and do some podcasts on it and have it kind of like brought up, you know, have it really back in the conversation after not being as much for a period of time there. And it is just interesting where like, whereas I was listening to Brett Weinstein had a really great podcast on this the other day, but there is this dynamic that I guess all of us who were against the COVID insanity have, where it's like, we've won the argument in every conceivable way and still will get nothing to show for it, you know? Like, but at the same time, I gotta say, and maybe, I don't know, maybe I'm being too optimistic or something like that, but there's something that I find very positive about it. Like, I still do find something about going, okay, fine, we're not getting what we should get, which is this guy, you know, a whole bunch of others going to prison for the rest of their lives. But like, there is something I think valuable in getting to be, I've found, listen, I've been doing this for 20 years, I know there's something valuable in over time being able to be like, hey, you remember this controversial position that we took? Look how well it's aged now. And I do think there's something cool about that. And the people who are trying to defend Fauci, I mean, they look more pathetic than ever if you ask me. What do you think on the whole thing? - I mean, firstly, I think in terms of correcting the COVID mistake, it goes beyond just prosecuting Fauci, you gotta unwind the government grant system, you gotta do an investigation to the relationship between big farm and government, and even just generally speaking, you know, the way that lobbying interests in large companies are able to basically hijack our government against the American interest. And Fauci is just really kind of the intro to that story. And on the positive side is just how many people are now aware of, don't just tell me, hey, we gotta just follow the experts or, hey, we all have to just get in line with government policy or it's dangerous to allow for free speech if people are dissenting with government policy. I think the general public is more aware of the extent by which they can be lied to and manipulated. It is amazing to watch the way that, you know, the mainstream networks are trying to spend this. And they are literally just government state propaganda. That is all they are. And it is so transparently on display. I can't even verbally say out loud the feelings I have while watching these individuals defend Fauci and what I think their fate should be, because, you know, they're lying through their teeth. But it's incredible because I just feel like I'm watching Rush again where they're like, we did our jobs perfectly. We were relaying the talking points with the government as we're gonna see. That's not your job. You're supposed to be journalism. - Listen, 100%, listen, just hold that thought one second, Rob, 'cause I actually wanna do before we go into the Dana Lash video. And you're, listen, dude, you're just 100% right about that and you'll see what the role of what the, I mean, it's a great little example of, oh yeah, this is why you guys lost all credibility. It's, I enjoy the reminder. I just wanted to play before we get to that. Because, look, I know that I've done this like a few points throughout, say, the last year, year in a couple months. Let's say June of 24 to now. There's probably been a few different points where I've said like, hey, this is, this is where Donald Trump's legacy was destroyed or this is where his coalition loss are there. And there were moments like, well, look, obviously like launching the war in around the 12-day war and then covering up the Epstein files. We're big, you know, things. But then like, obviously launching the war again. And then if you remember, we did a whole show on the time when he trashed Tucker and Megan and Alex Jones and Candace and praised Mark Levin. And you're like, okay, there you go, that was the moment. But I gotta say, Rob, I know I pick, you know, several of these, but I don't think they're bad. I think all those moments I just made really were moments where there was something about this moment that we're about to play that I really, I understand I'm saying these moments already happen. His presence, he's already destroyed, his legacy is destroyed, his coalitions destroyed. But this to me was almost just like, if you could have a moment that sums it all up, this is what Donald Trump said. Let's play the clip in response to the Fauci hearing. - Well, the only thing you can really think about is the other pen because the most powerful thing the president has, they say, is the power of pardon. So he was pardoned by, and I respect that. I know how powerful it is. It's a very powerful, they say it's literally the most powerful thing a president has. Now, whether or not I signed my things directly, always, almost everything, I signed directly. You witnessed so many of them. He signed very few, the only thing I know that he signed was Hunter Biden's part. But I'm not sure that he signed, he probably didn't sign this one. So I can't tell you what the law is. I've heard that you have to have a lot of proof. You need to have letters, you need to have all sorts of things that the person operating the auto pen has to know exactly what it's all about. He didn't know what it was about because I saw him testify. So maybe there's something on the auto pen, other than that, the power of pardon is very powerful. So Rob, what's that? Hey, we're going to let him get away with it. And by the way, you really don't have to read in between the lines too much to hear what Donald Trump just said. Very, very clear, like, I need a pardon myself. Well, let's not mess with the power of presidential pardons. Let's just, let's, let's, no, listen, dude, I don't know, it's a little bit of a legal technicality. I mean, can he get away with it? Can he not get away with it? I know he ruins like millions of people's lives. But there's just not that much urgency to figure it out and go get it, you know? Because we don't want to mess with the power of the presidential pardon, you know, that's whoever the president pardons, that has to stick. So let's just keep that precedent going. Gee, I wonder why Donald Trump would want to keep that precedent going. I mean, just saying this, just hear a prediction. Like I said, I'm not that good at making predictions before. Donald Trump will pardon himself at the end of his presidency. There you go. And this is why he won't, and this is why he won't go after any of the pardons or try to even challenge. it. Just try to get a win for the American people, because whether anyone doesn't care about anyone except himself, obviously. This is a little bit like the Epstein thing and that you just have to widen the scope a little bit, which is Donald Trump, if you're actually interested in going after the deep state, which I will say is a apparatus of corporate and government interests that is not working in the interests of the American people. You can go after DeBora Burke's, you can go after Francis Collins, you can go after the guy from Pfizer, who's the head of the FDA. We can go after Burla. We can figure out what the hell happened with COVID and find people criminally accountable, online the story, and clean up the structures that allowed COVID to take place. You can go after all the government officials that censor the internet. You can go after people in the Biden administration. What you're signaling is I do not care. I have no interest in cleaning things up. And so fine, I'll give it to you. Biden got a pardon. If you're interested in this storyline and cleaning up government after the massive failure that was COVID that took away people's rights, businesses, and loctis in our homes, you can go clean that up and still let Fauci off the hook. You're not interested in it. And clearly hear what he's signaling directly is, hey, listen, the Biden's changed the game of writing Blinken pardons for your family. And I'm going to do that for myself on the way out. I'm going to do that for my family. We are milking the system. We sold out and we are taking every penny we can out of this government on our way out. And I want to make sure that me and my family can have the same part and that the Biden's got. And he's very clearly saying it. Yeah. I'm sorry, man. That's just absolutely what's happening. And once again, I mean, I just, I love this example because, and the reason why I put this as one of those, like if I had to, like, if I had to, like, lay down a flag at, like, a few different moments that were real, the reason why I lay one down here is because, look, I mean, drain the swamp and lock her up. We're so, this was right at the core of what was so attractive about Donald Trump to people. And here you have a very clear moment where he's got a choice between, like, can he have the American people's back? Or would you rather do the thing that protects you and your family? It's very blatant that that's the choice here. And it's an easy choice for Donald Trump, of course. We respect the auto pen now. Absolutely. It's so crazy when he needed your vote. Did he ever say that? When he needed you, when he needed your vote, did he ever say love? We got to respect the auto pen. And he ever say, we're going to move on from Fauci. 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Now, let's get into the stuff you were talking about because man, this is, it is almost like a little bit of a throwback, and it's interesting from our perspective, man, because we've been here through this, this whole thing, like where it was like, you know, it is really hard to describe. And I'm, of course, everybody listening knows. I don't know if you guys can hear the rain, but it is pouring here all of a sudden. And so I apologize if that comes across, but it's come soothing. But look, Rob, like as everybody remembers. Yeah, well, it might be. Sorry. Yeah. But so as everybody remembers right in, in say March of 2020 or April of 2020, there, I mean, those of us who were against the lockdowns were this like tiny little voice, you know, on our little shows. And then the corporate media was like this giant. This was six years ago, man, or was it a little more six and a half year, less than six and a half years ago. You know, this is not that long a period of time. And it was like, I mean, everyone in the world, it seemed like was focused on the mainstream media, you know, to figure out what's going on. Everybody had NBC news on to see what the governor was going to say or what the, you know, like without she was going to say what Trump was going to say, it was all the, and the mainstream had this, this narrative. And they were the most aggressive, the most, uh, sensorious and the, the, the most slanderous of the people who criticized them. And it's been crazy to watch as now we come into a situation where the, the podcast scene is as many times bigger than the corporate media. And the, the consensus is that all of this was wrong and, and all of that stuff. And I guess this interview to me, I think to a lot of people, just served as almost a reminder. Even for those of us who have really focused quite a bit on this, that it's like, Oh, yeah. Like, it's almost like you still don't have enough contempt for these people. Um, and this is a great, this is just like an amazing, almost case study in, in, in how state propaganda works, especially state propaganda, um, because as always is the case, right? This is the very nature of government. The very nature of government is that it's an organization pretending to be something other than it is, you know, it's, it's the, the, the, the old line, it's the, the, the mafia pretending to be like a human rights organization. You know, that's kind of the nature of what government is. Like this criminal organization that pretends we're here for you. And so all of their propaganda always has to pretend that's, so the way the propaganda works is you don't say I'm a state propagandist, you call yourself a journalist or a scientist or something, and you pretend that that's what you do. But let's just take a look at this because I mean, the tactics are just unbelievable. And I got to say Bobby Kennedy who I'm not that happy with. And I don't think it's done that great of a job. Um, I'm, I'm waiting for the transformation here in, in our country where we, all of a sudden remember if the big problem was that we led the world in chronic illness, well, two years later, we lead the world in chronic illness. The, you know, like none of these problems have even been remotely approaching a solution or even have laid out what that solution might be. But being said, doesn't got the I'm good job in this interview. Um, anything you want to say before you want to go to the tape? I wouldn't go to the tape. All right. Let's do it. You know, virtually everything wrong the last time. But what about now? The principle thing that we need to do is we need to listen to what's happening to doctors on the ground. There are 15 million frontline physicians around the world. They're mainly now connected through the internet. We can tell them the front lines what's working and what's not. If we had listened to those doctors during the COVID pandemic, we would have saved potentially a million lives. There were therapeutics out there that were working, there were doctors that were having no deaths from COVID and treating in some cases thousands of patients. And we weren't listening to them and said we were doing the opposite. We were shutting them down and did the other thing that I would say is that we need to protect our constitutional rights. That that is the primary obligation of our country. Well during COVID, we completely dismantled our constitutional rights. We began censoring people and violations. Okay. But what I'm, you're saying what not to do. I'm asking what to do. But I, but I want to talk about something to do. That is the number one priority. We protect the constitution. The constitution was for me, but you're just, you're talking about rights and I'm asking about it. So I pause it for a second, health crisis. That is. Sorry, there. I muted myself because of the rain. I just already right there, right? The idea of like that protecting rights isn't the government doing something. And it isn't remarkable. I mean, we are, however far we drifted from this, we are a country that was founded by the Declaration of Independence that explicitly says that the role of government is to protect natural God given rights. That's the role of government. In fact, it explicitly says that when government goes beyond that, we have a right to overthrow the government. That's the founding of our kind. We literally, when we celebrate the 250th anniversary, we're celebrating the ratification of that document. This is a crazy concept, he goes protect constitutional rights, he goes, what does that mean? But I want something we should do, yeah, that's what you should do. And also, I mean, I think because Bobby actually wasn't good on lockdowns, at least initially, that's not what he went to first. But like the censorship probably isn't, if you were going like, what constitutional rights were violated, I don't think the censorship is even the first one, but I would name. You know? But anyway. Well, speaking though, to implementing good health policy, the censorship that took place deleted common sense from existence, and that there were things that, you know, you could sit at home, be a fat drunk in your parents' house because they locked down the world and go, hey, the fact that I needed wearer masks into the restaurant, but take it off does not make sense. Or you could look at general science, be like, I don't understand why being outdoors around other people is dangerous for my health. Or you could look at, you know, you could read a page of one thing and go, there's always been natural immunity. And I've already gotten sick. Why would I need a vaccine in order to participate in society? And what allowed government to run cover for itself as it implemented policies that made no sense because they wanted to keep us locked down and push a vaccine on us was that they engaged in internet censorship. And so Bobby, kind of, he's right here, but it's like, if you want to be better. If you want to have better health outcomes, you can use the high mind of the entire market, including doctors on the front line who can actually tell you what's working versus essentialized government authority that's been corrupted by big pharma and corporate interest and, you know, spooks like Fauci, who will dictate policy that defy common sense that if you've got one asshole sitting at home going, the emperor is wearing no clothes. This makes no sense. Everyone can realize, yes, this makes no sense. And so he's actually giving you a good solution to what went so wrong during COVID, which was we sent, we censored dissenters. And so we couldn't actually hear opposing perspectives. And that's how you implemented horrible policy. >> Dude, I remember it was, do you, I mean, there were things where, and I really, I'm sorry, I just don't give people excuses for this. Like I don't know, maybe like for a little bit at the very beginning. But you know, because it's like, look, I understand if my seven year old, like all the kids were doing a thing, and then she went to do the thing that all the kids were doing, even though it was really stupid. But you said that and kind of a conversation, look, I understand you got swept up and like what everyone was doing, but you really should have known, but you're an adult, man, you're a fucking adult. We used to have, I remember like how crazy people got during COVID. Like there were things like, we used to talk about this all the time where, when you would do stand-up shows, where, you know, they would have like the weird thing where you couldn't have the full crowd seated and stuff, and then there was, I remember doing, you remember doing shows where there were masks on, like we're in place, which I only did a few, because after a while, I was like, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not doing this unless everyone can do it. And there would be this thing where the rule was, if you guys remember during COVID, do you remember how you used to like, if you went to a restaurant or this was, where I wasn't kind of close, you'd have to wear your mask coming in. Then when you sat at the table, you take your mask off, and you could drink and eat. And then if you had to go to the bathroom, you were supposed to put your mask on when you got up to go to the bathroom. And I would watch as someone like got up and forgot to put their mask on and started walking and people would be like, ooh, you're like, guys, this makes no sense, no sense. I literally remember like when I was on a plane and I would take the mask down and people next to me would like, kind of be like, then if I ordered a drink, I could take the mask down and sit my drink. They weren't worried. It's like, guys, if you're an adult and you're looking at that, you go, guys, you're being crazy. This obviously makes no sense at all. Can we think about this like logical adults? And then when you said that, these people would smear you in the most vicious way. And then, as you said, try to silence you. It's like, I'm sorry, that's nuts, that's nuts, that's not following the science, that's being a crazy person and giving in to propaganda. Hey, listen, there was a health emergency and so we were just going with the best information that we had at the time and we had to seize everyone's rights because we didn't know what was actually going on. The lesson is not that we shouldn't seize people's rights because you can get things drastically wrong and that's why the rights exist and there's absolutely no reason for them if you can just declare emergency authority when things aren't actually emergency. If you're in a healthy, at the time, healthy groups, if you were a kid or generally healthy individual, there really was no emergency and we probably knew that two months in. But their argument is, listen, if you're upset about this, it was Donald Trump's fault. There's no reason to do a look back. We have actual health problems now. Learning from the mistakes of COVID and everything that went wrong wouldn't help future policy. And so why are we even doing a look back on this or review of the fine work we did of keeping everyone in their homes for two years freaking out and demonizing those that actually believed in a free country where they shouldn't have to take an experimental vaccine because of government force and coercion. That's a talking point. 100 percent. Dude, I don't know if you specifically remember, man, but I specifically remember this well and I did it. I read it with you on an episode and then I read it with Michael Nalus on an episode because I mean, him used to do a lot of crossover episodes during the pandemic. And I remember Malus credited this as being one of the things that really turned the way he looked at the pandemic around. And this was in April, okay? So this was April of 2020, maybe two weeks, three weeks into April. And I remember it was the New York City, NYC.gov, like the New York City government put out the data. If you remember at this time, New York was what they were calling the epicenter of COVID. So it was the most cases and the most deaths were coming out of New York. So at this point, it had already been, you know, I don't remember exactly what the number of deaths was, but it was in the thousands. And they released the data by age and not changed everything. Literally everything about the way we all viewed the pandemic for the rest of the entire time because it was like, I mean, if you could literally, it was, I don't remember the exact numbers. You have to go back and find it, you can do the research, NYC.gov in April of 2020, the first batch of data on deaths by age that they released. But if I, if I'm, if I'm going to dive in, it was like, it was like zero through 20 years old, zero deaths, 20 through 40 years old, zero deaths, 40 through 60 years old, two deaths, 60 through 70 years old, 15 deaths, 70 through 80 years old, 300 deaths. And then it was like 80 through 100 years old, 3000 deaths. And the second you saw that, you were like, Oh, the survival rate is above 99.9% for young healthy people, for the death rate for everybody not severely compromised, either because they're very, very old. By the way, it had nothing to do with age. It was just about health. It's just that being very, very old is correlated with having bad, you know, health issues. And so, but I'm just saying so by the time the vaccines came out, this is April 2020. The vaccines are not out until almost a full year later. At this point now, a full year later, we've been through waves. Everybody's gotten the thing. Natural immunity has spread. It was so obvious that young healthy people need not take an experimental mRNA vaccine. This was very obvious in common sense from the beginning without needing any real technical knowledge of, you know, epidemiology or something like that. You know what I mean? 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All right, let's go back on the show. And of course those numbers were boosted by a faulty ventilator policy and sending sick people into old age homes. Nice. Absolutely. That is also very, very true. Nice way to juice the death numbers and get everyone terrified for their lives. Yes, they did. Yeah, let's go back to the that is coming, but I do want to, let's, and one of the mistakes we made in the last time was suppressing those rights so people weren't being heard. The doctors who were saying you're doing it wrong, were being marginalized and illified. Yeah, and because, because again, I really want to move on. But you were saying, you were, yes, I do. Part of the problem. No, I wasn't, I mean, yeah, there was absolute press, now practice. We're allowing your, Mr. Secretary, your job, your job is a fierce skepticism toward authority. And you weren't doing that. You, I am. My job is also, no, okay, are you going to, you want to sit here and attack me or do you want to have conversation? I'm not attacking you. I'm asking questions about how to prevent the next question. I'll tell you. That's what I'm trying to do. But I also don't want to use this interview to allow you to say things that aren't entirely true. You're talking about therapeutics fine. It is also factually true that the COVID vaccine worked. The COVID vaccine prevented deaths. There is data upon data upon data. Let's talk about the measles, please, because this is something that is happening as, as this is positive right here. This is in the US. This is already positive right here. And this is, again, this is very clearly, this is the difference between a propagandist and, and a journalist. Obviously, obviously, Bobby is correct about this. Now, you don't have to agree with Bobby Kennedy about everything, but he is absolutely undeniably correct that if somebody comes from the government and says, you know, this isn't somebody coming from the government and saying, we think we ought to raise taxes by 30%. This is somebody coming from the government and going, we think we need to shut down the economy. We think we need to suspend the bill of rights. We need to suspend freedom and institute in the name of medicine totalitarianism. Your job as a journalist is to be skeptical of that. Sorry. If you're not, if your position isn't skepticism on that, then there is absolutely no role for journalism, period. And to say that your job here is to now carry water for the regime and attack anybody with skepticism toward them who thinks maybe the government overreached and maybe who takes the radical position of we should protect constitutional rights. Think about the skepticism that you get for saying we should protect constitutional rights versus the skepticism for saying we should abolish them all. It tells you everything you need to know about the corporate media right there. But Rob, I also got to say, simply asserting that someone else is lying and that the vaccine is perfect. Now let's move on is not journalism. You are taking a position in a debate and then refusing to debate it. You're saying the guy's wrong, but now let's move on. The COVID vaccines worked. That's a fact. What the hell does worked mean? Well, by the way, again, worked is a kind of like, there's a thing they got here with the vaccines, right, Rob? And this was very frustrating. Is that they, see, worked is vague. My marriage worked. Our last comedy show worked. What do you mean by that? There's lots of different ways to measure this. You started by telling everybody that if they put this thing in their body, which they're unable to take out of their body, that you could not get the virus or transmit it. That's what you sold the virus on. You gain a bash. You sold the virus on that. That was a lie. It was not wrong. It was a lie. There was no evidence to suggest in any of the clinical trials that if you got this vaccine, you could not get or transmit COVID. Absolutely no evidence. In fact, they didn't even test transmission in the clinical trials. Okay, this is just not. It was a lie. They got people to put something into their body that they can't take out based on a lie. And then they moved the goalpost to that to going, it cut down on severe hospitalization or death, something very unfulsafeifiable, in fact, Rob. And then they can just say, worked and move on. Let's discuss that. Yeah. Well, the style of this interview is, hey, sir, I brought you on task. You got your questions. And this isn't going the right way. So I'd like to pivot now. And this is not what I want to talk about with the bitchy undertone of pretending like you're the professional and you're being the nice one and they're the one attacking you by just actually giving pushback and actually being right. And she can't handle that because, you know, she doesn't want to be exploring this topic, which is CNN engaging in propaganda and or whatever network this is and just being wrong for years on end. And so she instantly goes, well, this is not what I want to talk about. So let's pivot to where you're messing up. Hey, let's not, I don't want to relitigate this because I can't possibly win this conversation. And this is about you. And you look bad. So I'm going to pivot here. Yeah. And it's, I mean, look, it's just again, it's infuriating because it's like, as we always talk about, like real people's lives were ruined over this shit. And even for people who don't like, look, I brought up the example quite a bit that I got a family friend of mine who was a, he was in college. He's a kid of one of my mom's friends. And he was in college in grad school when, when all the thing happened, right? And so he's in this graduate program. This Ivy League graduate school. And they, so he had gotten, they made him get the, the Vax, they made him get double that, the two initial doses of the Vax, because they were going to kick him out. You have one year left in his program. They're going to kick him out of school if he doesn't get the vaccine. So it's like, fuck, now, again, the kids in his 20s, he's perfectly healthy. He's an athlete. He's just absolutely no reason why he needed to get this thing, right? So he gets the two doses. A few months later, I forget what it was, five, six months later, he gets COVID because that's what happens when you get the vaccine. You still get it. So he gets COVID. The next month, the booster came out and they mandated the booster for his school. Now, I'm sorry, but you tell me, you show me one scientist in the world. Me is a non-expert comedian. I'll debate any scientist in the world who wants to argue that a healthy kid in his 20s, who got two doses of the vaccine, and then a month earlier had gotten the germ again. Me was doing nothing but taking medical risk by getting that vaccine. Absolutely nothing. I'm sorry, it is, it is fucking criminal for medical professionals to tell someone to do something that is nothing but a medical risk to them. Absolutely nothing. You should do life in jail for doing that. A risk, a young 20-something year old's health, you fucking crazy. And then you would smear those of us who none of us ever said that an old person who's never had COVID shouldn't take the shot. Who take it if you want to? Are you sitting here and telling me that a healthy 20-year-old who just had, has better immunity, but according to every study, has better immunity than the kid who got the shot last month. He got the virus last month. Just insane. Now she had a condemnabash to fend that? No. No one can. There's no scientists in the world who can. Anyway, let's keep playing. Protected children. I think that what I have to talk to scientists and doctors about. Can you look, can you show me one study? Yes, I can. That shows that. I can. Children were protected by the COVID vaccine. I can tell you that there are more goods than harm to children. Can you show me one study that shows that? I can tell you that when it comes to the vaccine, there have been studies that show that because of vaccine disinformation, disinformation, there could have been 100 to 200,000 lives in the U.S. save, because people didn't get the vaccine. The study that she's referring to actually said 250,000 in the study's complete fucking bullshit. Jay Badacharya and Rav did a great podcast on it. I lie, I have to look to it to find it, but it's complete bullshit. It's just complete bullshit. Essentially, what they did is, they like took the number of, they tried to take the death rate from before the vaccine and then say the death rate after the vaccine and then say if we had gotten, but there were all types of just like horrible factors in there. One of the things was that COVID only really killed very old, very sick people and something like 99% of them got vaccinated, really old, really sick people like all got vaccinated. The only ones who didn't were because like their doctor were like they're too sick to take a vaccine were worried that the illness they get from the vaccine might actually kill them. So we can't give them the vaccine. So in other words, when they would sit there and say look vaccine compliance is at 72% or whatever, but we got to get it up to like 86%. The major problem that they weren't looking at was that you're not going to actually save a lot of lives if you're just vaccinating all of the 30 year olds who haven't gotten it. It doesn't matter. They're not going to die from the thing anyway. The only way you're really going to save numbers of lives is if you vaccinate the very vulnerable people theoretically, if it helps them at all, which is not very clear that after they've had COVID, it was even necessary for them to do it, but regardless, the point is that the study was complete bullshit. There actually weren't a lot more lives to be saved by vaccinating people. But anyway, let's go back into the thing. Bobby asked her a specific question. Obviously she's got the answer to it is no. She doesn't have a study that says this was beneficial for children because such a study does not exist. Now let's keep playing. When it comes to the vaccine, there have been studies that show that because of vaccine - Disinformation, disinformation, there could have been. 100 to 200,000 lives in the U.S. saved. But because people didn't get the vaccine, that's why I'm not saying that it intact. You are saying nonsense. You are saying something that you cannot show me. Okay. I am not saying nonsense. I am talking with somebody told you. Excuse me. Let me study. What study? No, what studies are you talking about? You're talking about studies that actually don't exist. I want to talk about-- I am not saying that you're talking about it. I am not saying that you're saying that you study the study. This is not productive. I am not here to prevent all of the time. You're talking nonsense, and you can't support it. And that's positive, please. [LAUGHTER] You know, this is not productive. That's a great thing to say when you're just called completely on your bullshit. Oh, first of all, she doesn't even remember the study that she's referring to. She doesn't even remember the study. She didn't even get the numbers right. She's just invoking it. It literally is exactly what Bob is saying. Someone told you this, and you're repeating it. But you can't-- and any-- listen, in any debate, no matter what it is. If you invoke something and then can't name it, if I go, it was reported as this. And then you go, what's your source on that? And I go, you're making up sources. And you go, no, no, no, you just made a claim. What's your source on that? And I go, oh, this isn't productive. It's not productive for you, as I kind of say. I'm finding it very productive, personally. But that's good. That's your opinion. All right, yeah, let's play a little more. Call you on there. You're telling me. I'm working with you. OK, if you want to talk about assertions that you can't support, I'll get there in a second. Let me just say for the record that I am not saying that the entire way that the COVID reaction was accurate. It was a scary time, and people made mistakes. Absolutely. You were staring people. Why are you saying that? Because that was the job of CNN. OK, stop. OK, stop. I wrote and stop. OK, so many people are stopping. So you want to try to be aware of listening? Stop, stop. No, no, no, don't mention that. Don't mention that. We'd rather-- by the way, when did they stop running that number of deaths? I can't remember exactly. Oh, yeah, it was as soon as Joe Biden got elected. As soon as Joe Biden got elected, they stopped doing it. I mean, dude, they were trying to scare the crap out of people. One of the weirdest things about COVID was when good news would come out. Or like someone would say, we should be optimistic about this, and they'd freak out about it. They literally-- everybody who was there for the time knows this was their business. And good for Bobby for saying it to her face. I do remember when they stopped reporting infections, and that was after everyone had been vaccinated, because they didn't want people to see the numbers. And then I was in the home of crime. Yeah, and then I also remember when they went from, please go get tested, and it's covered by insurance to we don't want to test you. Yeah, well, that's right. Because they didn't-- all of a sudden, it was really-- and this is what happened, right, is that it was really-- when they wanted-- there was the lockdown regime, and then it went into the vaccine regime, right? So first, they were locking everyone down, then they were trying to get everyone vaccinated. When they were locking everyone down, they were trying to scare everyone with how high the death toll and how high the infection rate was. But once they had gotten so much of the population vaccinated, the death toll was higher, and the infection rate was higher. And so they didn't want to put those numbers out, because now we're in the vaccine regime, and that makes it look pretty bad. Like a year into the vaccine, if you have a disease, and then you have a cure, and then a year later, the disease is worse. You do bring that cure into question. A year later, a lot of people have taken the cure, and the disease is worse. That's typically not how it's supposed to go. I know there's, I'm no scientist here, but you come out with the cure, you expect the rate of the illness to go. Yeah, I think it's reasonable. >> All right, I can explain. I can explain. >> I'll play one more clip and then we'll wrap up. Robbie the Fire, porchdoor.com, go see him on the road, people. Let's go back to the clip, and I'll take us home. >> To the leaders in this country, including the president who had a daily press conference, explaining what was going on, and trying to listen. >> Or you listen to that. >> I want to talk to Lisa. >> Actually, were you reading the news of yourself? >> Measles cases in the US just reached a 35-year high. The second record breaking year in a row, 93% of these cases are among the unvaccinated. The outbreak is happening on your watch. And even before becoming HHS Secretary, for years, you've been one of the leading voices questioning the efficacy of vaccines. Do you accept some responsibility for this measles outbreak? >> Absolutely not. First of all, this is an international outbreak. >> So, let's just leave it there. >> Country in the world. >> Because there's a bunch of other great clips from this I encourage people to go watch the whole thing. But I'll leave it on that because, look, let's, there's something interesting about this. Okay, so all of the stuff that we were just saying here, I don't really know how anyone can deny this about COVID, at this point, right? Like, can you do not, when I was telling you about that 20-year-old family friend, is anyone sit here or is 25 or something? Does anyone sit here and go, no, no, no, no, even a month after getting the virus, he should have taken a booster, right? And no one actually can argue with that. Nobody can actually argue that it made sense for the guy next to me on the plane to freak out when my mask fell below my nose, but it did, but then not freak out when I grabbed a can of soda and drank it next to him. No one can argue that that wasn't irrational, right? Like, obviously, that was irrational. And so if she's, let's just say we'll start from the point because I've always said to you guys, I'm fairly agnostic on a lot of this stuff. And I don't know, I've seen Bobby be very sloppy with some of the arguments he makes before. And so I don't know that he's right about some of the things he says about the MMOR vaccine or any of this other stuff. Let's assume Dana Basha's worldview is completely correct, but grant me the point, which is a pretty easy point to grant, as I was saying before, that the 25-year-old healthy guy didn't need a third vaccine after he had just gotten the virus, right? Let's say the MMOR vaccine has nothing to do with autism. There is absolutely no correlation, excuse me, there is a correlation, but there's no causation there. And whatever, you know, and it's great. And it prevents measles. And there's this outbreak happening because people aren't getting the vaccine, right? Like even Bobby points out these are international numbers. It's not on him. Her point is ridiculous. Let's say it wasn't. Let's say her point wasn't her day. Let's say the outbreak was all in the United States of America. It was due to vaccine hesitancy. And so now she's gonna sit here and ask, Bobby, do you hold any responsibility for this? I mean, this is happening on your watch, right? Do you have any responsibility for this? Hey, Dana, do you have any responsibility for this? Do you, do you know, all of us, I mean, look, there was a small group of people who didn't believe in vaccines pre-COVID. None of the rest of us were like that. The fact is that you guys lied through your fucking teeth about a thing that you called a vaccine, which is really debatable whether it should be called a vaccine at all or not. It's not a vaccine in the traditional sense. So you lied through your teeth about that and forced tens of millions of people to get the thing when they didn't need it. It didn't work. It made a lot of them sick. And it resulted in long-term injuries for many others. Are you responsible for vaccine hesitancy at all? Do you think that may not make people go? Well, if they lied about that one, how do I know they're not lying about all the other ones? So even by your own say, if you're right about all of this, it's still more your fault than anyone else's. That's where we could wrap up for today. Thank you guys very much for listening. Do make sure to go see Rob on the road, porchdoor.com, and come see me. I'm Rob, together on the road. Comment Dave Smith, dot com. Catch you guys next time. Peace. (upbeat music)