Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 123: Live at Vicar Street in Dublin

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This is the show where we step into the past through our old episodes and emerge from the other side with brand new feelings and case updates and more. Today we're rewinding to episode 123, which we named live at Vickers street in Dublin, from the first night of our European tour. This episode originally came out May 31, 2018. So let's listen to the intro of the episode 123. It sounds like you were saying something else than what's up Dublin, just like I was going to kick off my own thing. Yeah. Tonight. I start speaking daily to everybody. Ah! You didn't know. This is so cool. This is the first show of our big tour. Our European tour. Of which you are not the UK, and I know that. We're not. We're just fine. We have nothing to do with it. I know that. Fucking totally separate place. We knew it. We all knew it. We knew it. Whoever was posting on my Instagram yesterday was fucking lying. Someone broke into your Instagram and started posting like rumors that you think Ireland's in the UK? That's so embarrassing. I mean, can I do I have to say it? Fire Steven? Jamit! Out! He's not here. Nope. He's not in his usual spot. Nope. That means no. Listen, the cats aren't going to take care of themselves. That's right. Well and also there's no fucking way we're paying for Steven's ticket to Europe. Fuck you bro. I know. Sorry. We haven't done a live show in a while. This is insanely exciting. And we have. It really is. Also, I don't even know what my sleep pattern is right now because I stayed up till five in the morning last night and then woke up at just like almost one p.m. Yeah. And I was like 20 minutes later, I texted you, you texted me, you just woke up 20 minutes later. I was like, I just woke up. What? I beat you. We don't know where we are. It's crazy. Guys, it's a whole day. This is interesting, isn't it? The last time we did a show was in Los Angeles where we live. So it's all our friends. You live there too. So it's not like that's interesting as Los Angeles is a part of the UK. And that's the thing. Well, it seems like a lot of people don't understand. So that's our message on the European tour is to really get the word out of L.A. Yeah. It's being connected too. We started to go find me, uh, important work. Mm-hmm. It is. Oh, um, can you talk about all the people coming to your hotel room? Just what we found out about it. Well, we stayed indoors because, you know, when we go on trips like this, big tours where we have shows right in a row, every single day right in a row, we like to save up all the work we're supposed to do and then just do it at the hotel like the day before. And a panic. It's really fun. It's best for storytelling. Yeah. Um, just to create the pressure. So, uh, well, the first experience I had was, uh, I don't know if you guys are aware, but it's quite hot here in Dublin. Um, today, thanks for, thanks for the weather, you guys. Um, I brought all kinds of cashmere sweaters and layers and rain gear. I was ready to look like fucking Paddington Bear and instead, it's like, "Oh, I'm the van." Yeah. Um, so when I got into my hotel room, it was, I don't know how you guys do it, 14 degrees in the middle of the fuck. How are you doing? It's higher. It's hotter. Well, it was like 1990, but so I'm just standing there and I think, you know, hotel, uh, thermostats are, they're just a plastic thing on the wall that they give you to press to make you feel like you have control over your environment, which you do not. So I stood there pressing and pressing, where I was like, "I'm just too, this is too hot and I can't just sit in a hot room, um, with jet lag." And so I call down, I was like, "Sorry, can somebody come up here and fix this thermostat?" And they're like, "Well, send someone." I love fix it because it's not, it's broken. It's totally broken. It's not me. I did the same thing. It's not. It's broken. Yeah. Fix it. Not user error at all. So quick, pretty soon after, someone knocks the door, I open the door. It looks like a younger, hotter, MMA, Gerard Butler. I was like, "What? What? What? I have no relatives that look like you. What the fuck is going on? I was not ready." A bonus is that it was just when you got there. So like, if they had come today, like all your shit, like my whole room was a fucking pig side by like, you know, 24 hours after I'm in there. Yeah. I looked very tidy, well, my things looked very tidy, but I clearly have been traveling for 12 hours. So I was kind of like, "Hey, I'm trying to turn to the side, you know, like, come on in, sex, sex, sex." And he, of course, goes over to the fucking thermostat and he presses one button and it kicks on immediately. I was just like, "Fine. It was a trick to get you in here. Fine. You might as well stay." But this was my favorite. I've never heard this slang before when he went to leave, he goes, "If there's any other drama, just call me up." And I was just like, "I wasn't being dramatic. It was really hot. It was really fucking hot." Fair. I got it. But then I turned the TV on and I kind of couldn't make it go. I'm like, "I should phone call that guy." It's TV's totally dramatic, dramatic in me. Yeah. Um, you were pre-entered kickoff. Hey, what are you wearing? She's already looking at the notes. What are we? What the. Well, I'm sweating. Here's the problem. I'm sweating and I forgot to bring geodorant on this trip with me, so I'm wearing vince's deodorant, so I'm going to smell like a fucking dude. Let's do it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That smells like going to a dance, like dancing with a guy that's in junior high. Yeah. You know, last time you did that. It's been a while. But I miss it. I miss it terribly. It's kind of better than mine, though, because it's like clear and stuff, so I'm not getting like those, you know. Can I just have everything better? You're so obsessed with going to boots and getting some kind of like, uh. Oh. Boots? I can't. That was such a weird. You're just yelling boots back at us. You're just. And in a way that we can't tell if you like it or you fucking eat it. You're like, "Yes. Boots!" So go there! Somehow we're staying the word, the B-O-O-T-S word, rhyme. Boots. You tell me. How do you say. She doesn't know. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. We're not mispronouncing fucking boots, that I know. (audience laughs) - That I know. (audience laughs) - You were so mad already, the show just started. (audience laughs) Oh, we're outta here. (audience laughs) Boots. (audience laughs) - You were gonna pick one person to be the translator. - Oh yes, that's right. Is there anybody that's from Dublin that's sitting near the front? - I think they look nice, okay. - Okay, are you suspicious in any way? (audience laughs) - We're not gonna make fun of you. - What's your name? - Emily. - It's Emily. So, as the show goes, thankslighting guy. As the show goes on, when we mispronounce things, or we don't know what we're talking about, or we say something and we're totally wrong, Emily, you just throw a hand up. Would you please? - Yeah, we'll come and consult with you. - Okay. (audience cheers) - I think we didn't need to do this every shot. She already has her own love. (audience laughs) - Man, she's gonna get so tired her arms gonna get carpal tunnel. - Or sister has something. - I agree, sister. It's not palic. - It's gaelic. - It's gaelic. - It's gaelic. - I fucking said gaelic. You know what, you're out. You're both out. (audience laughs) - Oh, that's sister. - Sister or shit. Okay, here we go. - What's your name? - Louise. - Louise. - Do you think that I said gaelic or gullic? (audience laughs) - I fucking said gaelic, Emily sister. (audience laughs) I said gaelic. - Oh, shit. - She's been tricking me since three. (laughs) - Immediately kicked out of the show, you've been waiting to see. (audience laughs) - Sorry. - Sorry, wait, tell me your name again. - Louise. - Louise. - Louise. - Grace. - Thank you. - Yeah, one of us. - Well, I wanna go to a store and buy a bunch of shit. Basically, is what we're trying to say. It's store name boots, pennies. It's gonna be pennies. - Oh, you're good. (audience cheers) - J.C. pennies? - Yeah. - Do you have that? - pennies is better than boots. (audience laughs) - Louise. - Oh, man. - Louise says pennies is good, Emily. So. (audience laughs) - That's what we're going with. - We were, I feel horrible right now because we were at a bar that's for tourists last night. We shouldn't know until we were there. It's the oldest bar in, you know, Females in the world. - And praise him. - In the world. - Yeah. - It's wonderful. - Oh, and it was great. And, but we heard the loudest American person at the bar and we were just like, - She's here right now. I'm telling you. - Don't say where she's from. - It was like, I was a girl. Like, we get seated and we're eating and then all this and we hear like, and I turned to Vincent George. I was like, is she a fucking opera singer? Her voice is filling this room. But it was like, I actually don't really, I mean, no. I'm actually here from whatever town. - Yeah. - Vincent gets really amazing. I'm like, so amazing you have to scream at the top of your lungs. - And she's telling this, Judy, clearly has no fucking interest in it. Like, about her flight and about, like, no one cares how long it took you to get anywhere. Just FYI. - Yeah, if you're gonna be boring, please whisper. That's Americans. Americans. We're not, listen. - 'Cause a whisper for us is a way, like, I wish this was a whisper for us. - Yeah. - Whispering, whispering for ribitals is normal talking. - Yeah, yeah. - For whispering for us. That's normal talking for the rest of the world. - We also, there's also someone here either tonight or we'll be here tomorrow night. Who, when we went through. (laughs) - Did we go through this? - Oh shit. - He was like, he was this great little guy and he, - Not a little guy. - He wasn't a little. - He was just a normal guy. - He was a cute, cute fellow. And he was like, you know, what are you doing? You're an accent. - I can't. - You made me do the accent. - In front of. - I think it's good. - People actually have the accent. I think it's good. (audience cheering) But I also told her that she can't do it unless she also is fake drunk. - Oh, that's right. - But I can't accuse the customs guy of being fake drunk, it would work. That's dangerous government shit. (laughs) When he basically said, what's the purpose of your visit? Something like that, how's that? - And then we were like, where are you ever, 'cause it's so hard to tell people, like, where are you from? We're doing comedy show. - We're doing a live. - You don't wanna tell a guy who's like, letting us in the country or not, or that we're doing a murder thing? - Yeah. (audience laughing) - Well, it turns out we love murder and so we've come to your country to visit. - A murder. - We've just been studying your murders here. - Just interested in how you kill and where are you kill? - Yeah. - Not really why, but. - So we just said, we're here to do a live podcast and then he said, what's the name of it? And Georgia said, my favorite murder. - A mumble, right, right. - And he goes, right, I heard all about it. (audience laughing) There was a girl, an American last came through here on Friday and she told me all about it, she was insane. (audience laughing) - See? You can't talk about murder. - I'm sitting chill. - So if she's just doing an impression of my grandmother, I don't, that's all, I don't know how I got hurt. - And he found out her name and I forgot it, if you can believe it. - But you know, we thank you for that. - I think he was just on the ground explaining to strangers what they're doing and how they're doing it with us. - Karen invited him to the show. - I did. - She's clearly not here, she'd be screaming at this point. - Yeah, I think so. - Oh, are you here? - No. - That's no. - Really? - No. - That sounded like a cat just got murdered in the back of it. - Let's not let that girl come up here and fucking explain what he looked like right now. - I think she's showing the truth and then kick her out if she's wrong. - No, I would never do that. - So then we went outside the airport and we got a cab and this guy was like out of Irish central casting of like a gruff Irish cab driver. - Uh-huh. He had no interest in us at all. He was just trying to get his shit out of the airport area, I think. - Yeah, he all did a guy who was like crossing too slowly in front of us and was like, "Yes, I like this guy." - Yes. - He'd like yelled out the window. - Out the open window. Go slower when you're like, "Go slower." - He yelled sarcasm. That's how you know you're in Ireland. It wasn't rage-based. It was pure sarcasm. I actually, Georgia got into the back seat, Vince went to get in the back seat. So I was like, "Oh, I'll get in the front seat." - Yes, I just walked around. - Went to get into the driver's side. (audience laughing) - Of course. - So shocked by that steering wheel. - I was like, "What car is this a trainer car?" Where you learn how to drive a cab or something? See, we drive on the other side, you guys. That's the explanation. - So different. And of course, I was immediately so embarrassed and turned around and said, "Sorry." And he goes, "I don't mind." And they got him. Again, a joke that comes off is anger and rage, but you're just like, "Oh, but you're kidding." I was like trying to explain to Georgia like, "That's why I am the way I am. I was raised." I get it a little, I get it. - Right? There's a gruff love to everything. It's kind of like holding back, watching you, judging you. - Loving you. - Oh. Right? (audience cheering) That's how you do it. I get it. I think I get you a little more now. And then it's like, well, when you're drunk and be like, "I want to tell you a secret." It's like, I actually really like you even though I don't. - Right, I don't. It's not, we don't act all nice because that's lame. You act like people bug you until you figure out whether or not they have a sense of humor. And then you like them. - Yeah. - Or at least, that's me. And that's how me and the cab driver do it. I don't know if that's, it's a generalization. I don't know if that's a real thing. - Everyone's like, "She's totally wrong." And she's calling us assholes. - I'm sorry. - That's how we kick off the show. Oh, by the way, this is my favorite murder. (audience cheering) Thank you. That's Karen Calgary. - That's Georgia Hardstart. (audience cheering) - Oh, Blaine, God bless you. - God bless you. - God bless you. - Oh, tell 'em about your plunging neckline. (laughing) - I forgot my slip. - Yeah. - So usually, we usually, we don't bring the girls out like this. It's not, it's not my style. - Usually a two person show. - But, it's because that's, (audience laughing) - But now we're a quartet. I just figured, 2018, we're gonna have the girls start earning their keep. And really, they've had a free ride for so long. - Right, chits out. - Chits out. - Chits out. - In 2018. (audience laughing) - I am the opposite kind of person. And I took my black bra that I brought along special for the occasion. - The special show bra. - And when we were on the plane, I did the thing, I took it off because I'm like, I wear to the, what is it called? Airport, just to be like, I'm not horrible. You can serve me stuff and I'm not the worst. - This is what society wants from me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm wearing a bra at the airport. - Like, just to be glad I'm not wearing sweats. So I take it off in the plane and like sit on it. And I'm like, I'll get it later. Then I forgot to get it later. (audience laughing) So, there's got a nice 34B black, non-underline bra on some British Airways plane. If you want it, it's yours. - That's a freebie for the next person. (audience laughing) People would be like, oh, that's just a thong that someone snapped in half. - But that's the point is that's why I'm wearing a white bra and I apologize. It's fucking tacky as shit. My mom would be so pissed off at me. - It's Georgia. - It's very day class A. - Yeah. - But it doesn't matter 'cause we're not in the UK. (audience laughing) - You know how those UK are. - No rules, why? (audience cheering) - Yeah, we don't care here. - Exactly. And when I go to pennies, I'll get a prop. (audience cheers) I can do that. Fucking pandering, pandering, pandering. - Saying words we don't know what they mean. So you will cheer for us. - Yes! - The best. - Yeah, Steven's not here as we said. Just to bring it down. - Right. - Okay, now we can, okay, he got that. Let's talk about how really feel. - There you go, Steven, everyone misses you. (laughs) - No, he's being very sweet and sending lots of photos of the cats. Well, like close-ups though. In a way that I don't, I think I'm too old to understand. - What if when you come back from this trip, the notes, the cats have somehow written you a note that's like, Steven's too intense for us. We don't, we can't be cats sat by him anymore. - We know that you think your dad hates cats. We like that he hates cats. He leaves us the fuck alone. - We ain't, we're stand-off-ish. We want them to be stand-off-ish. - Yeah. - Steven's like, "Rang-ing-ing-ing-ing-ing." (laughs) And then he did a thing, oh he's good. He fucking did a thing where last night he was editing a mini-sode for this week, and he wrote like, "Oh, your Elvis Herd your voice and came over and like Elvis is right there listening to my voice." Which isn't true, no, he's not, he's a cat. He doesn't care. (laughs) But that's what I did. Oh my God, my baby. There you go. But I know, I'm not fucking stupid. Like, he's a cat. - I can't really rubbing off on you. (laughs) - Yeah. Which is probably true. (laughs) - No, he's not even the cat. - That's true. - Although, that's not true because it really is true at this point by the time we're done recording at Georgia's apartment, it's almost like he knows that in like two hours or an hour and a half of Gone By. - He's like, "Wrap it the fuck up." - 'Cause he comes and sits on her lap and the second she says, "Oh, let's do it." 'Cause he's like, "Now!" Like, he knows. - He knows it. - He knows it. - When we're like toning it down and we're like, "All right, this has gone on for too long." He's like, "Sitting on me." - Yeah, he comes out. - He knows. - 'Cause he's, I know he's a cat, but he's really smart. (audience laughs) Exciting me. He's really smart. He's just, he's so handsome. (audience laughs) - I would like to say, I was here in, I think it was 2001. I came to visit just for vacation. And this is just a fun story that I remembered. My friend and I, my friend and I, thank you. I'm gonna take my time. Could I get a spotlight? (audience laughs) My friend and I got into a rental car, when I just fall backwards and die. (audience laughs) What a way to go. We got a rental car and I was the only one that had the guts to drive it. It was a fucking stick shift and we're driving on the wrong side of the road. And we just decided we'd like, had a map. This was like pre, you know, modern life. So we had a paper map. Oh my God, there's just like, let's just drive up. One of these highways, it's got a letter in a number. Here we go. And we'll say what happened. Let's just play it by ear. We went as far up the west coast as we could. And by like, we ended up getting out of the car. I don't know how we found this. I think it was like, I don't know. We basically went up to a fence. We opened it and closed it. What? I don't think you're supposed to do that. Well, and we walked over this hill. And it was right, we were on the coast, right? So we walked right down to the edge of the world. What? To the edge of this island. And we're like, holy fuck. And it was like an insanely hot drop. It was, you know, several stories. Like several stories. Yeah. We sat on the edge of it with our feet over the side. And we're like, this is amazing. And then this storm rolls in so we can see the clouds coming. Like, it was unbelievable. Or just sitting here like, this is amazing, whatever. So before it gets close to us and starts raining, we got up. I'm not worried about it. I'm sitting here like, oh, is she going to be up? What if the cliff-- It was like fucking 20 years ago, and I'm worried. And then I take my leg off. That's the day. Oh, my god. She's been saving it this whole time. I had to save it for Dublin. Now when we get up and we leave, when we go to the-- we check into like whatever hotel we find in the little city that's near there. And when we check in, the guy at the counter says, oh, you should go check out the cliffs. And he goes, but be careful. Don't go near the side of your tourist die up there all the time. They get blown right off the side all the time. We fucking went and sat. No, like literally swung our leg. And we're like, this is such a great vacation. And we're both just went all white. We're like, sounds good. Yeah, we won't do that at all. This is why I have anxiety to save my life. Yes, I save lives. She can be sick, because I've never sweated so much in my fucking life. Yeah, I'm totally sweating. All right, let's head in. Let's sit down. Look at these. These are good. Just like kind of-- these chairs are from a disco, aren't they? These are legit comedy club chairs. There we go. Then it goes down a little. Oh, OK. There we go. Don't wear your shape my legs, which is great, because you guys are so close. But I'm sweating profusely. It's hot. It's summertime. Oh, it's not Q and A. Oh my god, she has deodorant. She has deodorant. Are you serious? It's yours. She just found it on the ground, I think. It's fucking brute. It's brute. Why doesn't happening? Oh, she's putting it on. Thank you. What's your name? Darryl. Darryl? How come you bring a deodorant to comedy shows? Just yours, how did you find out on the ground? It's yours. Thank you. For moments like this. Whoa! You don't-- No, you never did that. And a quick-- Thank you so much. Thank you. The whole place. Beautiful Darryl. Good for you. Thank you. Shit. What are you doing? Oh, shit. Oh, I can't. Do you have any head bandages? Because I'm going to need those later. This one is OK. And now it really smells like a seventh grade boy. It smells so good. It's strong. It's strong, but it's not sweating. It's just staying in my body and-- and toxic me. Good. Instead of detoxing me, you know. That's what we want. That's what we want. It's probably at my water. Let's have a sip. All right, we didn't decide who's going to go first, right? Yeah. Because we're now we're all off. We recorded like four episodes before we left to cover us. We're off the bar, don't we? And then we usually have photos and Stevens, like put some in order. And so we thought it'd be better to be more intimate and not have photos. Yes, you don't need photos. That's why. You're slapping. You don't know why you're slapping. I hate photos. I can't see that grave anyway. I can't see so good. Do you want to go first? Do you want me to go first? Well, we usually were going to decide based on who's murder would be better to end on. Less of a bummer. Is how recent is yours? 2001. You-- I think you should go first. OK. This is a true crime, a slash comedy podcast. So that can be a little delicate. Yeah. It's a conversation. We talk about heavy shit. But sometimes we're light-hearted about it. If that's going to bother you, you should get the fuck out. [APPLAUSE] But they know. I'd also like to say that those of you who did wander and off the street thinking that this wasn't going to be like this because my name is George on the ticket. And you thought that maybe there'd be at least one man up here? And I can think, you know, taking care of shit? Or you've been missing porn? Get the fuck out of here. My name is Georgia. What if there was like-- there's somebody in the audience who's like, I was guaranteed a man would be on stage. What are they going to do? They have no guidance or leadership. [LAUGHTER] And we're back. Oh my God, this show is legendary. I can't believe it's our first one in Europe. And I can't believe we went to Europe on a podcast that we created. And just went and toured. That's so crazy. It's so funny to think of the beginning of the idea of touring that at least I had in my head, because I'd seen other podcast tour. And other podcast touring was kind of a long table that you'd set up at a spaghetti feed with three dudes sitting at it, talking to each other. Like a pioneering contest. Yeah. So yeah, the idea that what we turned it into for ourselves is what I love the most, because it's like, oh, yeah, we don't have to do it the way we've seen it done. Yeah. And they were very intellectual. It seemed like that's the only podcast set tour. We're intellectual or last podcast on the left doing it. And they're like crazy way. And I think that was so great that we just like-- we didn't add any frills. We just fucking sat at chairs in the table. And just did the show, which is perfect for us. Yes, exactly. And I think the standing at the beginning, it was us in the audience doing stuff. And then it was kind of like, well, of course, we have to stand up at the beginning, because there's all kinds of business going on. And we want to be down, seeing how people are dressed and what they're talking about. But in this-- I don't know if you remember this theater we were in, because it was pretty small, really dark. So it kind of felt like-- It was really-- Chewbacca theater. Yeah, it felt like the illusion or something like that, or it was just small and tight, but it wasn't. And it was big. And someone's cousin was in the audience. Everyone's worst fear coming true. And it worked out great. Yeah. It felt like we were in somebody's very dark living room, is when I call it up in my mom. It was just like, we were all there together and it was small and intense. Like, the audience energy was really intense in that room. And you know, I remember our stories from this night so well. I think yours, especially, I think, is a really big one there and people were, and I'd never heard of it. Yeah, it was just so shocking. So, should we get into our stories? Let's do it. So, we're going to start off with Georgia's story about Colin Wheeling and the murder of Mary Goff. I love you. We have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Yuanu, we're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa Di Giulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions, and at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. You're fucking asking for it, dude. Full rotation. Okay, so mine, yeah, good Colin, ending on the later one. Okay. Okay, this is about the fucking asshole Colin Wheeling. Ask them. All right. So Colin Wheeling, he first meets 19-year-old Mary Goff. Ain't Goff? Goff, thank you. Hold on, Louise. Goff, thank you. Sorry, we don't know how to read in America. Or do you want any research, apparently? Watch one. Okay, Goff, in 1993. So Mary is working at a pub called The Huntsman Inn. She's this lovely young lady. She was born in 1973. She's the only girl of six. Oh, shit. And she's the second to youngest. So this fucking dude's her brothers adore her. She's like the light of the family. Colin, he is born in '71. He's born into like a nice middle-class family from Cora's Gorman style. Gormanston, Gormanston. She doesn't even know what you're talking about. She doesn't know. Karen, you say that. What? Gorman's town. Really? It's never what you think. You're always like, it has to have some weird fucking sound in the middle of it, because everyone yells at us. And then it just looks like a-- We have PTSD. We have pronunciation PTSD. We have been verbally assaulted by entire cities. Because we didn't say they're fucking local town, right? All across America, people have screamed and screamed at us, which started our-- we began a crusade, and it's called "spell it like you say it." And we're just kidding. What do you guys did to please? All right, okay. So here we go. Yeah. So, Colin's from a-- it's a better suburb of Dublin. He is a computer analyst with a background in IT. He gets his well-paid bank job with a banking giant. I hear a supermanent. What do you guys work there? They love it. This is their yearly conference tonight. Oh, you guys had a holiday this weekend. We hear it. You guys are way less shit-faced than I would have expected for a bank holiday. And I appreciate-- I want to say we appreciate it. I just love that week. I kept seeing commercials for furniture stores, but it was like, bank holiday sale. Where I was like, what the fuck? Is this bank holiday situation? It's a big deal. Yeah. So he works there for like nine years. He's big time. And so Mary's brothers describe her as beautiful, funny, intelligent, easy-going, and a straight-talking girl. And Colin is her first boyfriend, which we all fucking know is except for the ones who married them. And they're here with them tonight. Good cover, good cover, good cover. Thank you, thank you. Well done. Thank you. There's always some girls like, I know, but I got a good one. You're like, all right, fine. Keep it. Fine. So she's from Stalmullen. Stalmullen, close enough. Like Luis, say it. Luis. She doesn't know. You can't do it. We're back home later. What do you call it? Stalmullen. Stalmullen. No? They're claiming that that you want to see it. There's too many. We'll be all night. Spellin? Oh, oh. They're saying. I thought they were pronouncing the word. So I said, "spellin," but they're like, "spellit." Oh, it's said, "city spelling" over and on the east side. I'm not saying any more places. Spell the word and they'll tell you. Okay, I'm going to. Because they ask the same thing and then we. Oh, I see. And then we attack, Luis. S-T-A-M-U-L-L-E-N. But if everybody says it at the same time, it sounds like nothing. Do you understand? It can only be Luis. It's your big chance, Luis. So she hates it. Shout it out. Stalmullen. Yes. We might have to get your own mic. Give her that geodorant. Pass the geodorant to Luis. So Collin becomes Mary's very first boyfriend. And her mother. They liked Collin, but her mother said that she thought that Mary loved too much, loved him too much. You know, in August, 1976, her dating in where was I? In '93, in August of '97, Collin buys a house. And Baal Brighan. Yeah, that's right. Feel it. Love it. And get inside. I'm doing it. It's happening. Your victory is real. If you just keep failing when you get one little victory people are like, "Good job!" In '98, they get engaged and they move in together. So Mary's mother, Marie, has misgivings, of course, about Collin. And the control that he exerted over her, saying that he insisted she would dress down and not be like revealing, but meanwhile, he was fucking checking out girls, all the ladies, all the time. You know? He would not approve of this dress. Absolutely not. I mean, it is a bit nuts. Then, so Mary, she's 27 now, and she's planning their September 2000 wedding. Meanwhile, he, Collin, makes a visit to their financial planner secretly, and he doubles their life insurance policy so that the surviving partner would get 400,000 euros. Of your money. Heroes. You know what your money is called, and so do we. So we don't even have to say it. It's a bank holiday. Let's not stop talking about money. You guys are so greedy. We don't want to talk about money. Don't be so superficial. You need to hear the name of what your money is called. So it would get 400,000 if one of them died within 10 years of marriage, which seems like it shouldn't be a thing to be like betting on how long they'll live in the marriage. Shouldn't be allowed. No, it's like, but if you die within five years, you'll get this. This is not a fucking contest. In September 2000, after dating for seven years, excuse me, they're married. Apparently allergies can come to Dublin with you. I mean, you're carrying on. After dating seven years, they're married, and at this point, Mary's working in a solicitor's office in Swords. Swords, seriously? What the fuck? I tried to put a spin on it. Thank you. You guys are so supportive. Okay, and she's, of course, highly regarded as by colleagues because fucking everything sucks. So, Colin, which is the name of my ex fiance, so of course, like fucking hate this guy even more. Stupid name. I love to hear the subtext of these stories. They're just filled with rage. Adding my own bullshit into this. Like that I should take out in therapy instead of on stage. I think this is therapy. So that means I pay you guys $150 at the end of us. $150 L with two lines in it. So, after just four months of marriage, Colin starts an online relationship with a woman named Helen who lives in Wales, and that's in the UK. He says to her that he starts bragging about how he's about to get 400 euros because his wife had died in a car crash. It is. Let's consult Louise. Pounds. That's what I did not say that. Well, I didn't mean that. Thank you for catching that. Thank you. 400,000. That's just a lot more. I feel like I need to warn you now, Louise. You are absolutely going to be attacked at some point. It's very vulnerable to have to go to you for every fucking word. We're going to send you to therapy after this. We understand. 400,000. So he is bragging to this woman, Helen, who has no fucking clue what's going on. Yeah, his wife had died in a car accident years earlier, so he was going to get that money. And he made up a nickname for her to call him. Ferry bear as opposed to what other kind of bear you know that sad one that you've seen without hair that like a Chernobyl bear yeah yeah dude redundant bear so the relationship gets intense she's like we're falling in love they they email each other sometimes dozens of times a day you remember that in 2001 probably remember in 2001 when you can have an online relationship with someone and it like meant something people and your friends weren't like what the fuck are you doing yeah because we didn't know and they have phone calls he sends her photos of him with his photo face his face of his photo superimposed over a fucking weightlifter's body and I think she finds out and thinks it's like funny but it's not he doesn't he does not mean it funny it's not like he's like look I'm a meme or anything it's before there's no memes 2001 free meme time he so I also bet that Photoshop is insanely shitty so it was like his head with a black ring around it yeah part of a bar like his real ear and then the ear from weightlifter and of course his face is normal Irish white and then the bodybuilders body is like a hot dogs color yeah so then they plan to meet for the first time he's like makes of a bullshit it's thing that he's going to Germany for work to go get muscles and so he plans they plan to meet on March 2nd 2001 she's all excited about it and that doesn't hear from him after that so it turns out the day before they're set to meet on February 28th 2001 at 16 minutes past midnight calling calls 999 that's what you guys call it they know I know I know I don't know why I told them it's like we're having a hard adjustment period and asks for an ambulance he claims that his wife Mary had fallen down the stairs he tells the operators he didn't think she was breathing and so he was talked through CPR and heart massage by the operator and made a show of carrying them out of course we're not gonna play to see the 911 999 call don't okay the ambulance I would walk off the stage the ambulance arrives at 12 30 and immediately paramedics are like there's some shady shit going on they can tell because Mary's position was not consistent with someone who had fallen down the stairs or someone who had gotten CPR and there's no blood on his face from having given her mouth to mouth even though there's blood on her face so they also found Mary like a duvet or a quilt resting over her which they thought was weird and they and her body was too cold to have it had it just happen you know a half hour earlier and most howling though they found a blood soaked towel around her neck and they work frantically to save her and calling coldly asks is she dead and they were like this is fucking not okay yeah and then with within minutes of Mary's arrival at the hospital Bellmont hospital questions are raised for the medical staff this nurse sister Catherine Galvin she she is like what the fuck you have scratches on your chest and so goes over to Gardy garter and it's like you know check this guy out he's Gardy sounds like some dude that's standing in the corner at the hospital you know Gardy he has a bunch of cigarettes you can you can always bomb a cigarette from Gardy you know so yeah so notice is that and then the doctor who's trying to resuscitate Mary notices marks on her neck and chest with suggests that she hadn't fallen down the stairs and also at the hospital Colin seems to have no remorse no like sadness over Mary's death Mary's mother Marie who's of course extremely close with her only daughter goes up to him and is like what happened and he she says I walked up to Colin and he was sitting with his head in his hands and I said how's Mary and he just said she was dead just like that I couldn't get over it I'll never forget the way he answered me he was just sitting there I was looking at everyone else roaring and crying and I didn't know what to think so that's fucking shady later that day Dr. Marie Cassidy of the state pathologist company she may not worry she confirms the suspicions of garter and says that she had died of expixiation the story of what really happened that night was that as Mary was getting ready for bed Colin came up behind her with the belt of addressing gown and tries to strangle her but she fucking fought like hell and scratched him up then that's what they saw at the hospital and then she's unconscious he drags her down the stairs and sits and covers her body with the blanket so that he could disguise her time of death like trying to keep her warm which is fucking insane and then has time to clean up the crime scene and but he overlooked traces of blood so when they go through the house they find all this shit he's yeah they search and then this guy is a fucking IT specialist with his own company yet the garter search his computer and found that within weeks of setting up the insurance policy prior to their wedding Colin was looking up different ways to come Mary fucking googling this shit I don't think Google exists yet what was it then asked jeez he was banging that shit was banging the shit out of it that was an innocent time like 2001 where people that oh I'll just put this into my own computer and no one will be the wiser and then you hit clear history clear history you're gone it's cleared what are cookies Elvis just walks out of here oh that would be oh my god but if we don't bring Stephen on tour but we do bring Elvis that's so insulting that's just rude just plain rude that would be great so some of the searches this fucking idiot goes for our exfixiation lots lots of consciousness how long to take to die from exfixiation lack of oxygen to the brain and death by strangulation he just should have put I won't gonna kill my wife and what what should I do step by step tell me exactly so but somehow and I think it's probably because of air against despite being a computer analyst he just didn't realize that they could trace every movement movement like they on him so not maybe didn't graduate at the top of his class probably not another creepy thing found on his computer was a downloaded transcript of a case from Northern Carolina regarding North Carolina Northern something North Carolina we know that one why do I have to put a spit on it I don't know I imagine like try to zone smarter and I just now you doubt every word on the page I'm so sweaty okay I am too I am too okay in North Carolina there's also South Carolina all the fucking Carolina folks okay there's a case there regarding death by strangulation that's really similar basically like studied another fucking murder case it had in both cases the bodies were wrapped in a blanket to keep body warm and they both involve the use of a towel to hide the marks around a victim's neck so and they found out about the affair and he had both he had affairs both before and after marrying Mary and he posted his number on a number of dating sites trying to get sex and then other ones trying to get relationships he's just a real piece of shit so I do the relationship one I don't know I mean not to be cynical but isn't it how much time do you have in your fucking day that fucking arrogance man yeah I get you so okay then okay a month after Mary's death on April 10th 2001 Collins charge with her murder and the case was gonna make legal history and that it would have been the first time that of that virtual evidence was crucial because the internet searches would have been central just securing a conviction that was the first time that would happen which is like what an idiot you know yeah that's your legacy yeah no you're an IT guy that is the first person to be prosecuted yeah for virtual evidence exactly way to go irony this is the irony he denies the fucking charges of course but the trial is set for October 13th 2003 and he's fucking let on bail for some reason it was gonna be seven months later and they're like go ahead and wait at your house or wherever you want like come on and so of course his car is found shortly after his car is found abandoned at how close damn close you wanted to choice yeah that was 50 50 right how which is an outer suburb of Dublin and it's on upper cliff road actually it's on upper cliff road which is a set of clips what are you doing? -If it's the one, you were there. -Yeah, I was there. -You were there, you were there. -He was in 2001, too. What did you look over? -There was a man that was standing. Now that I think about it, I can't see a man. So they find his car in the cliffs, you know, leading to some people assuming that he had committed suicide. His car is there, all as belongings are in the car. And I'm sure he was like, "Oh, he committed suicide, but Mary's family always like, "Fuck, that shit." No, he didn't. They knew. They were like, "I wrote." Of course, Mary's family was like, "Oh, Helena." And they were convinced that Colin had faked his own death. So they formed a huge search party looking for him. But meanwhile, and it turned out they were right, of course. Meanwhile, Colin had stolen the identity of a neighbor named Martin Sweeney, and Martin had never applied for a passport. So fucking, Colin goes, "Martin's my dad's name." And Colin went, "Wow." But it's all coming together. Oh, my God. So then he applied for a passport in the Sky Martins' name. That's the passport, and flees to Spain. He settles on an island called, and I wrote this phonetically. "Majorca." So that's the one you spell phonetically. The one nobody gives a shit about. So I guess it's not-- it's an island that's not often late frequented by Irish tourists. Are you drunk? No! You've seen me for the past two hours backstage. I've just huffed a lot of deodorant. Oh, that's good. That's what it is. She's high on brute. So he gets a job in a resort as a bartender. And he's just like living it up like Kokomo style, and he like, "Fuckin." You know he wore his shirt like the first button was way down here, but he was like-- He's like, "I'm a bodybuilder." It's me. It's me, the Irish bodybuilder. Right. He fucking makes friends. He gets a girlfriend. He's like, "This is my life now." That's all. But then he begins frequenting Irish bars in Palma Nova, which is like, you really like fucking number one and hiding your identity is like, don't go to the bar where people who are from, the place you're hiding from, hang out at. Hang out where you're going to get super drunk, and then start going, "Wait, what are you from?" Hi! It's all of my-- And I tell you, secret. I'm going to say secret. I quit secret. Because you're my best friend. So I'm going to tell you, hey, no, we just met. I killed-- I killed people. [LAUGHTER] So, and he tells-- he tells all his best friends that his parents are dead, and he has no surviving relatives, which is like red flag, I think, right? Yes. Unless it's real, and then like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I doubted you. It sucks. It can go one of two ways. Either you're the asshole or they're the asshole. But it's rare that somebody doesn't have like one old ant sitting around somewhere. Or like someone who they keep in touch with on Facebook from elementary school, like just one. Yeah. Maybe two. Good, good, good. OK, so this, of course, this place Santa, Ponsa. So he starts going to Night's Fox and this other place Santa Ponsa that's like Ireland's favorite fucking place to hang out outside of Ireland. So, of course, in July of 2004, 16 motherfucking months after fleeing-- That's a long time. Yeah, it is. That dude was spotted. He's a common spot at the bar by someone from Dublin who was like, um, and he gets extradited back to Ireland. Yeah. Yeah. That person, it's fucking saved up for their vacation to Santa Puella or whatever it's called. Their fucking half of the bag. Isn't it great to be the, uh-oh? Or what if it was like-- What if it was sober up? What if it was like, where do I know you from? Did we go to camp together? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Elementary school. Did we do highland dancing and grass pool together? Local references? You don't like-- OK. They don't want-- they don't want to. They're like, stop generalizing about us. You don't know us. A friend at the bar, a friend that he had worked with said, there's nothing out of the ordinary about-- they were all like, what the fuck? His girlfriend's devastated about the whole thing. Can you fucking imagine? Oh my god. She had no idea who he really was. So she-- the girlfriend thought he was dead, too. She let him-- No, no, no. The girl-- Helen? Girlfriend A is like-- they knock on-- she-- he doesn't show up when he's supposed to. They knock on her door. And they're like, we need to talk to you about your online boyfriend, Colin. And she's like, oh my god, is he OK? They're like, yes, but-- And she fucking is going to like testify against him. Oh god. He like, fuck this, dude. Yeah. This girlfriend is the island girlfriend, and the new girlfriend, and nobody had any idea. And she had no idea either. So like, you know, don't date people on islands. That's the point of that one. This is an island. I'm just sweating so bad. This is high pressure. It's a high pressure situation. You had one job. Every move we make is wrong. Edit that out. So now, this Colin is 34 years old at the time of the murder trial. He expresses no emotion at the hearing. He just stands there with his head down. Justice Paul Carney told him he-- since he prolonged the golf family suffering when he refused to offer a quick trial, well, extra-dited. He's still being a dick. He also said that this quote, this has been the most calculating and callous killing I ever encountered in my time in court. So in April 2005, he called and pleads guilty to the murder of Mary. At the sentencing, one of Mary's brothers spoke and said, our family is living a life sentence since her murder, and we'll always have to live with it. We won't get off for good behavior. Mary is gone forever, and we can't run away. Like you fucking ran away. So Justice Carney hands down a mandatory life sentence. The most severe sentence he could hand down. He said, in normal circumstances, he would back date the sentence to the time I already spent in custody. But since Colin had later dazed from the state, he wouldn't. So he was like, oh, fuck yourself. He was sacking on that 16 months. Like, remember your island of vacation, you're going to pay. Yeah. So Mary's brother David addressed Colin, saying that the family would never, ever, ever quote, forgive him, because he took a piece of each of them when he killed Mary. And quote, Mary's only crime was loving you too much. I know. And that's the murderer, Colin Wieland of Mary Goth. Wow. That was amazing. Thank you. That was great. Boy, I'm glad yours is next. OK, we're back. Are there any updates for this case? Yes, there are some updates. At the end of 2025, Colin was moved to an open prison. As of September, 2026, he's working as a chef at a center that provides job training to vulnerable people. He is granted day release so they can have this job. This has raised a bit of criticism since people point out that there are vulnerable women at the center. And they are likely not aware of who Colin is or about his past. So all right, well, Karen, let's get into your story about Billy and the bowl, otherwise known as the Stony Badger Strangler. From shocking betrayals to carefully planned murders, the Black FX new original podcast series, Bloodline Crimes, hosted by me, Morgan Wood, explores the darkest and bizarre cases where family became the most dangerous threat of all. Listen to the Black FX Bloodline Crimes every Thursday, starting October 8th from the Black FX podcast network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, and in my new podcast, what happened to her? I'm bringing you new stories every week. Stories like Sandra Birch Morris, a dark narrative defined by grooming the abuse of power and an alleged cover-up. You never know who that devil is because he's wearing disguise. Sometimes it's a police uniform. Listen to what happened to her on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I believe that whoever was in that room and did that was a murderer. A new podcast series, "Fault Line Haditha," tells the story of a shocking crime and a cover-up at the highest levels of the United States Marine Corps. If you've got five players and you offer immunity to four, you better be right about the fifth because if you're not, then you've just given immunity to your color. Listen to "Fault Line Haditha" on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to do a billion-the-bowl. - Our gal. - Emily. - Emily's the only one. - Emily, stop it. (audience laughing) Some of us also. People know him as the stony batter strangler. (audience cheers) Now they get it. (laughs) This was actually, this story was tweeted to us on our Twitter page by a Dublin theater group called Tales from the Shadows. Oh, it's Emily's theater. Oh my God! (audience cheers) What are the chances? Care, stand up. Okay, what's your theater group all about? Well, we do storytelling and shadow puppetry altogether. We also just started a podcast. We've got two episodes so far. What's it called? Silence from the Shadows. Silence of the Shadows? Sorry, is it like a storytelling podcast? Yep, represent storytelling podcast. (audience cheers) All right, well I'm doing your story. No, thank you. (laughs) That's awesome. Yeah, because you know what I was gonna do? I had alias grace, that story that was just on Netflix and I had it all researched. Don't act sad. (laughs) That's really rude. But then I realized it was an Irish girl but the whole thing took place in Canada. So there's a picture of my mind like, no one gives a shit about Canada. (audience laughs) Then we got this tweet and I was like, they don't want you getting the fucking places in Canada wrong. They want you doing it here. This is, we need errors from the island. From this island. And then I, so I look up this and, so what Emily and her theater group did was they linked a video of, there's a video series called Story Maps where people tell stories. Is it all, Europe or is it just Ireland? Just Dublin. Oh, just Dublin, okay. You guys have enough here, Jesus. Storymaps.ie and it's really cool. There's just all these people telling local, lore and local stories. Cool. Oh good, other people are hot too. Okay, that's great. Oh good, oh yeah, I forgot I could do this. So fucks sake. Yeah, you can do that. In this Story Maps video, it's a lovely young man named Bobby Ahern who tells the story of Billy and the Bull. Ern. Ern. Okay, we have family friends named Ahern's and so, I just fight every pronunciation. My grandma told me that I become the girl in the bar. Bobby Ahern. And he is so charming. He tells the story so well. He's sitting in the grain gin. He's got a cup of tea in front of him and he tells the story of Billy and the Bull. Which is fucking nuts. Also, there's a blog called Silent Owl and they wrote up the story of it. There's a lot of great information. So I took from both of those. So this man, Billy Davis, he was born sometime in the mid 1700s. So this is old old dogs. Race, good, right, good. And although not just known about his early life, it's safe to assume that he was a beautiful, healthy baby boy because the story about him and the kind of the overwriting fact of the story of Billy and the Bull is that he was fucking hot. (laughing) He had a big mop of black hair and he had green eyes and he had like a alkaline nose and just gorgeous face. And so he was like, he was, he was dashing. He was a dashing hottie. That reminds me of-- I forgot to tell you guys. We saw Benny Ciel del Toro in the airport. He was really exciting. Yeah. He looked so hungover. (audience laughing) It made me sad for him. Sorry. No. If he's here tonight, apologies. What if he was flying over to come in the van? (laughing) Suddenly we pretend to be fans of Benny Ciel del Toro. I love everything. You've done. Okay, so. So Billy Davis was a Hawkeye. Unfortunately, he was born with no legs. Oh, so. It wasn't supposed to be a joke. Ma'am, somebody is laughing insanely hard over there. (audience laughing) So he ends up living in a place called the House of Industry, which is also known as the Dublin Poor House. And so basically-- That doesn't sound like what it means. No, I know. They're trying to gill the lily on that one a little bit. The first House of Industry was built in 1703, where today the St. James Hospital stands. And-- So they don't have that. They don't have that. So it was maintained, this, I love this fact. It was maintained by the taxes that people paid for their sedan chairs and their hackney carriages. I don't know what either of them says. Sedan chairs are those things that you see in like period movies. Where four dudes carry a box with a rich lady inside on sticks. Yes, that's a sedan chair. Oh, good. So it's like-- I want to be like, fuck those women, but I bet their shoes hurt so bad constantly. And they were-- And they were-- And their corsets. They're everything about-- And their oppression. [LAUGHTER] All of it. Everything about it. Fainting. I'm like, get on that box. Get in the box. But those people that had carriages and sedan chairs had to pay an extra tax for them. And that tax went to pay for the House of Industry. I like that. It was kind of, you know, it was a good set up. Let's bring those back. Except for the House of Industry. It wasn't the best place in the world, as I'm sure you all know, and can imagine. In 1805, a man named Sir John Carr wrote something called the historic of Ireland. He described the House of Industry as, quote, a gloomy abode of mingled, want disease, vice, and malady, where lunatics were loaded with heavy chains and fallen women bound and logged. Shit. Yeah. That's heavy. No sedan chairs inside of the House of Industry. Also, you could-- if you were a fallen woman, which-- what, that meant you wore dress like this? That basically, you're fucking in there with all the worst of the worst, bound and logged, which whatever that fucking means. I don't want that. OK, so also a political theorist named Alexis DeTocqueville described the conditions of the inmates that he saw during his investigative tour of Ireland in 1835 as the most hideous and disgusting aspect of destitution. Jesus. So it wasn't awesome there. They fed people. I think it said once or twice a day with a soup that they made from collected scraps from the great houses. So wherever the rich people lived, they go by and get the scraps, and they're shitty leftovers, and then put all that in a bowl and make a soup. And they're like, in our time, everybody. On the one hand, I'm like, that's pretty cool, though. At least it's not something like what the horses were eating. Well, I mean, that's very positive of you. But if they're noting it, it means it was bad. Yeah, it means the soup sucks. So in 1773, this workhouse is reformed, and it's split into a hospital for the mentally insane, a workhouse for the poor, and then a foundling hospital primarily used for the safety and education of the admitted children. Now, they start talking about this foundling hospital, and it later comes under investigation because of the abnormally high mortality rates. It turns out, four of the five children that are admitted to the foundling hospital die. Four of the fucking five. And the investigations, they find strong evidence. That lady is so drunk, it is. She is at a totally different show. I'm reading about infant mortality rates, and she is peeing her fucking pants. It's a bank holiday. It's a fucking bank holiday. What if it's a ghost? Oh, my God. So the House of Commons stops allowing for new admissions to the foundling hospital in 1831. It took them 107 years to be like, you know what, it has to stop. Thousands of children have died. Like, they're better off on the streets, just close the door. But, well, let's wait one more year. OK, 107 years of pass, we're going to stop. So when it's reformed to this House of Industry in 1773, it turns out there's no place for Billy Davis. Because-- and this is something good old Bobby Aherner read in the story map story-- that in the minutes book, it said, quote, it is deemed resolved that the man in the bowl is not a proper person and is to be discharged from the House of Industry. So they decide, because he's handicapped, he is not a person. And they fucking kick him out, which sucks. So he's in the streets of Dublin. It's the mid to late 1700s now. And they say, at the time, 18th century Dublin was known for two things. All the amazing architectural buildings and beggars. That's what there's the most of everywhere. I was going to guess candy and soda bread. Yeah. I was hoping for it. Now, you tried. But the good news is things aren't all that. Because somewhere along the line, a kindly blacksmith took pity upon Billy and built him this weird early version of a wheelchair, which was basically a big, huge iron bowl that he could sit in. And he stuck some wheels on it. And then Billy used two pieces of wood and pull. and that's how he became known as Billy and the Bull. Holy shit! So now picture this. When I first read this story, I didn't get that there were wheels on the Bull. So I just thought he was fucking dragging an iron Bull like the worst crossfit workout of all time. And you know all the cobblestone streets, so it's just jarring its teeth? It's just the loudest, heaviest situation anyway. He was hot, but he was hot. And we can always go back to that when things get hard. Is that up here everything was working out great for him. Because among all of the beggars, he actually was of course gorgeous and he was really charming. So he got a lot of pity and attention and people would give him money. He also made friends with a lot of the servant girls. And I think he stole from the house of industry style. So he would go back along the back of the great houses and they would give him scraps from the house. So he'd end up filling his bowl up. Oh no! As Bobby at her in the video says, "Like a big stew." He sits in his bowl like a big stew. Oh my god. Coins. Little pieces of meat. I don't know. Okay. And so basically this is, he is on the streets of Dublin for six years begging. But he drinks any gambles. So as much as he makes and as well as he does being a beggar, a hot beggar on the street. You know, the money goes. Sure. So. I've lost my place. So. He decides to embark on a life of crime. So early one night in 1780 around dusk, Billy lays in wait until he sees a middle-aged woman coming up Grange Gorman Lane on her way to Queen Street. She's by herself. And he throws himself out of his bowl. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Pieces of meat go everywhere. Sorry. That's inappropriate. And he lays in the bushes moaning and screaming. Right? So then the lady is like, "Oh no, something happened to somebody." And she goes over to see what's going on. And now you have to imagine, because he's spent years and years and years dragging himself around in a bowl. His upper body strength is fucking nuts-o. So he has like crazy, a crazy upper body. Sorry. I just got this like pole-dark kind of idea in my head of like how hot, pole-dark, right, Louise? You gotta watch that show, like it's insane looking. But basically, she leans down. This lady leans down to be like, "Are you okay?" She's like old-school Ted Bundy style. Like I'm her. Exactly. She's like, "Are you okay, man in the ditch?" Yeah. His huge power arms come out and just strangle her. Oh no! He chokes her out. He takes her purse. Bowls away. As we know. I'm getting clumping on those fucking cobblestone. Bobby Aherne says it was like he was going around in a canoe on the street. Oh my god. That's how he explained it. Bobby is the best. Bobby is the best. And he had a real glimmer in his eyes. He told this story. So when the middle-aged lady wakes up, she has no fucking clue what just happened. She's just like, "I don't know who it did it. I don't know what he looks like." She has no clue. Meanwhile, Billy and the Bull has the perfect cover. Because everybody, of course, writes him off. They don't know how insanely strong he is. And Paul Darky is underneath his shirt. They just go, "Oh, it's the poor crippled man." So he has never even slightly considered. He has nobody even takes notice. And it's the perfect cover. So he then proceeds to do this crime constantly. This is now his new jam. So that's up until 1786. Now, one night, he's laying in wait waiting for a woman to rob. But the one who comes along as Bobby a her and describes her, she's a hefty servant girl. Oh, shit. You better fucking watch out for us, hefty servant girls. Do not fuck with us. So he goes to choke her out. And she's like, "I don't think so." Man in the pool. And love it. She starts to fight him off. And she's starting to get away. He knows that if she gets away, his whole scheme is going to be over. So he strangles her to death. And this is his first murder. Oh, no. Yeah. When her body's found the next day, it's a huge story. Everybody goes nuts. They call it the 11-grain gorman lane murder. And it's Ireland's first ever-- Oh, so Ireland had just assembled their first police force. This is how long ago this was. Okay. Pre-police. Damn. Garda. The Garda. Or the Gardee. Are you changing it now that it's my story? Now that she's done? It's both. There's just saying whatever they want, Louise. You say no? Let's go to Ireland. Single repeal. Okay. Are you the one that was laughing earlier? Because I'm not listening to you. Baby death laffer. [LAUGHTER] One Garda. Two Gardee. Got it. [APPLAUSE] This is all information that will not help us in Oslo. But tomorrow night, everyone's going to think we're really smart. Oh, shit. Thanks, Yara. Tomorrow night, we're going to be like, no, you're pronouncing it wrong. [LAUGHTER] I mean, in all these articles, they called it the police force. Yeah. I don't know what you guys are. Anyhow. So basically, the case goes cold. Nobody suspects Billy in the bowl, of course. He's the charming, beautiful, beggar, no one even looks at him. So he decides to lay low for like six months. But of course, all of his bad habits get the best of him. He starts to run out of money. So he goes. So one night, he's on Richardson's lane. Two women are walking along. It's dusk. Some say, in some stories, they're servant girls. In some stories, they're rich, well-to-do women. But either way, it was women who were kind of dressed up for the night on the town. So they had a lot of jewelry on. And a lot of kind of overt richness. So Billy does this thing where he throws himself out of the bowl. But he doesn't see that there's two women. He just knows that someone's coming. Does he hide his giant bowl on wheels? You know what he does? He also cares around a big, ficus plant. And so, you just go ahead and pull that plant over. It looks like this amazing, gorgeous planter on wheels. I love it. I love it if it was like a loony tune style, like Skyline. Like Warner Brothers Studio. He folds the bowl up real small and puts him in his pocket. And then lays down in the bushes. Oh, my God. I can't account for the bowl. Okay. The man-sized bowl that he rolls around it. He pulls it backwards, parks it. Yeah. Parks it, facing out. Yeah. Gets out. Gets out, gets out of the bushes. Yeah. So. Some holes in this story. There's this whole thing is fake, obviously. But who cares? So when the women come up, he's doing the thing where he's doing his cries for help. The women approach. Uh-oh. He sees that their money, their jewelry, their money. They open their purse to give him money. He can't control himself. He grabs one woman. No. He doesn't see that there's the other woman. He just sees the one in front of him. He starts to strangle her. Uh-oh. And then the woman behind her pulls out her fucking hat pin. Yes. Yes. And then both hat pins that are like this long, and she jams it into his right eye. [CHEERING] [APPLAUSE] We're glad. We're happy. We're happy, but it's hard. Uh-- There's nothing that makes Irish people clap more than piercing an eye with a pin. They love it. Oh, man. That's-- I'm just going to-- We need to start wearing hats again. Yes. That's right. I just don't understand how you put that on your head and don't then jam it into your own skull. Right. But it worked out great because they run up to, uh, hold on. I'll tell you. Where do they have here? If they run up to a street. It's going to be somewhere fun, I bet. I bet it's going to be somewhere. Manor street. They run up to Manor street. Is that fun? They run up to Manor street with just an amazing street you have to see it. And, uh, there's a group of people there in that group of people. There's a new garter who's like, hey, I'm just learning how to do this. Let me help. And they get my baton out. That's right. They're old, old baton. Run down. And they find Billy laying on the street with his eye out, and they finally realize that they had-- This is who-- Yeah. That's who the strangler was. So someone goes and grabs. I guess that he meant the bowl must have been elsewhere because they went and got a wheelbarrow and put him in it. Oh. And took him up to the green street prison. So. What a bummer. Yeah, the whole thing is horrifying. So they could not prove that he was the strangler. They didn't have the evidence to connect it to the other murders, but they had him for this one. So he was convicted for robbery with violence. And he was sentenced to hard labor at the Green Street prison. What's that, some kind of a sex reference that I'm not getting? No, they're-- because he doesn't have legs. So we're wondering if he got his own goal. It's so small-minded of you to think that you can only do labor with your legs. What about this? What about lifting things? What about handing someone something over and over? Here, I got it. I will pass that salt for the rest of my life. Karen, hard labor is passing salt away. If you make a really loud noise as you pass it, it counts as hard labor. God, I'm sick of it. So basically, he's convicted. And he has to stay there for the rest of his life. There was a super creepy thing that they used to do. I don't know when they stopped doing it. The rich would go and visit prisons and mental institutions just as a night out. So apparently, he became like a side show at the prison. Because he has one eye now. He's got the one. I don't know if that eye came all the way out. The other one's beautiful. It's so hot, gorgeous green, with the black. What a great combination. I didn't get it. And they go watch him pass salt all the time, it's disgusting. And they say that on some dark nights in the Grange Borman's Tony Butter district, you can hear a strange, strange noise coming up behind you. They don't like it when I do the accent. I can tell. I like it a lot more. You're not insulting me, so I think it's great. OK, great. They really do say-- there's a place called Hidden Dublin that gives ghost tours. And it's on the north side ghost walk tour that you can take. And they say that the ghost of Billy and the Bull haunts the area where he-- Astro party? Astro party tonight. What is it? Hold on, we have to cancel with Louise really quick. What is it? What is it? Louise, what's wrong? I actually live in Stony Batteries. If you want to have an Astro party, that's great. We're going to Louise's after this. Louise's after. balcony. Louise's after. Just don't wake up. Her flatmate. So she'll work tomorrow. He's on it, great. The guy comes out and is underwear. You guys, come on. Not every day's a bank holiday. And there's also Billy and the Bulls referenced in a Dublin or a song and in a Pogue song. So he's legend. And that's the story of Billy and the Bull. Yeah. [CHEERING] Hey. That was great. Yeah. Good job. [CHEERING] We did it. [CHEERING] Thank you. OK, we're back from Karen's very Irish story. Do you have any updates? I do. In prison, Billy was assigned a hard labor. He died there. He was buried at an unmarked grave in an unknown location. OK, now we're going to go back. And we're going to listen to this epic hometown from our first time we were ever in Dublin audience. If you've got five players and you offer immunity to four, you better be right about the fifth, because if you're not, then you've just given immunity to your color. Listen to "Fault Line Haditha" on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. "Get worse with Kyle Pru" is not one of those podcasts. So if you're interested in getting thinner, going to therapy, starting peptide, setting boundaries, taking supplements, making your better, getting closer, then I would humbly recommend other podcasts. If you're interested in blackmail, love, bombing, cloning yourself, or getting revenge, then we've got a little something, something, for a dastardly individual like you. Listen to "Get worse with Kyle Pru" on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I survived nine months in captivity, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the survivor files. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think we have time for this. Yeah, let's do a hometown murder. Yeah. Let me just tell you. Really quick, you might know these rules are ready, but we had to enforce some rules with the hometowns. You can't be so drunk that you can't follow your own story. It's important, you have to stay present. You have to know where you're going. We don't-- that's key, but don't be afraid to be super buzzed. Please make it double in or it's or close by. Nobody gives a shit if something happened in Arizona. And what else? Oh, oh, everyone hates you. Oh, yeah. If you do get picked, all the people that don't get picked are going to hate your guts, so keep it moving. And Georgia, I think it's you. I am on a fucking roll, so don't ruin this for me, guys. Who has a hometown? Nobody? I think that the girls sitting next to our friends that helped us-- yeah, yeah, in the toxic masculinity. Where'd Vince go? Thanks for right there. Walk over to him. Oh, there's Vince, everybody. [CHEERING] Vince got us a lovely charcuterie and cheese spread backstage. Vince is our tour manager. He is Georgia's husband. That's right. He does it all. He does it. Which means we don't have to pay him. No, we pay him. That's hard labor. He's doing his hard labor for free. It's hard, but it's so bad. It's so bad. What? It's hard to start labor. Oh, right. That's so good. Hi. [CHEERING] What's your name? EFA. EFA? EFA. EFA. Hi, that's cute. EFA. Here's center up, center up, center up. Look at her shoes. She's doing my stage picture. Those are great. Would you tell me your name, sorry? EFA. EFA? Yeah. Awesome. EFA, everybody. [CHEERING] Where are you from? I'm from Carey. You're from Carey? Yeah. Carey. She's from Carey through. You guys know what did she say it, right? I'm sorry, it's Carey. Jesus. Yeah. OK, what's your hometown? So my mom is from Westmeath, and she's from this tiny village. Like, there's not even as many people as there is here. Oh, she's fun. It's called Kool. And Kool. Too easy, sorry. So a family from Dublin moved out there years ago, and the father worked in England. So he'd be back and forth, and then they'd just stop seeing him. Oh. And then they moved away, and they hadn't really gotten involved with the community, so it was fine, nobody cared. But then the daughter went to the guardian. Multiple guarda, and message received. And told them that they had killed him a few years back, and buried him in their garden. Garden. Garden. Got it. Garden. Garden. And then they dug him up and burned him somewhere else. The family did? Yeah, what did? And then she decided to go to the guardian because she found out her mother was having an affair with her boyfriend. Her own boyfriend. OK, wait, who's really it is? First of all, let's start with the name top. No. Wait, so when they killed the father, was it the mother's idea? Yes. And she, the mother and the boyfriend-- they tripped the kids. They tripped the daughter into the plan. No, no, no. It's her cousin. No, no. What's to his aunt? She looks nice. She doesn't look bad. You better come up here right now. [APPLAUSE] She looks nice. And it was like, jump down the road for my mom's hand. Maybe you're related. No way. Vince! Go around here. Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry. We gotta hear this. What the hell's going on? Move this. This is unprecedented. So cousin, she said, she yelled, it's my cousin. And then I was like, oh, shit. And then I saw her face and she doesn't look angry. So we're good. It's going to be OK. -She was-- -This is the great fear that we owe ourselves. - You're really fucked up over this PTSD. Okay. - Yeah, Ethan. - Ethan. - Ethan. (audience cheering) - No! (audience cheering) - What's your script? - Hi. - What's your name? - What's your name? - That's EFA, right? - What is it? - Ethan. - EFA. - Hi. - What's your name? - EFA. - Emma? - Emma. - Emma. - Nice to meet you. - Okay, they're sharing a family room from who we are. - Do it in the microphone. - Okay, what's your name? - Ethan. - Ethan. - Ethan. - Okay. - Why are we talking? - Okay, so you're a cousin. - Who's your cousin? - Don't talk to me. - No, at the onstage, please. - We were going to email in about our auntie. - Uh huh. (laughing) - But we decided not to. - You want to say that, but we didn't. - EFA came onstage and told a lot about our auntie. - Oh. - Okay, it's not an auntie that we talked to. (audience cheering) - Okay. - Good. (audience cheering) - Oh my god. (laughing) - You know the kind. - Oh, we got those. - You don't know what she's done. - Oh my god. - We know she has a book or a book. - She wrote a book. - She wrote a book about it. - You don't get to do that if you're the murderer. - Wait, so will you run. - Will you run it down for us just really quick? That's why we see we don't, you don't talk about it? - No, no. Do you see? - Everyone in cool. - The parents, you asked the parents to look. - Oh. - They were, we don't talk about that. - They won't tell you anything. - We can't, just a book, just tell us. We won't tell anyone. We're not gonna tell anyone, right? - You would, we're keeping it here. - It was, there was a bomb fire. - Yeah. - And the bomb fire. - It was also a under patio. - Yeah. - And then they decided that wasn't that good enough. - So they brought it up. - Let's go. - Let's go. - Let's go. - Oh. (audience cheering) - Oh shit. - Yeah. (audience laughing) - I don't know how many don't play with the eight with God. No, it's okay. - If I just go, I didn't get to the pigs park. - Oh God. (audience cheering) - My mom did this. - No, the pigs park. - Oh, they would, oh she didn't know. I'm so glad we got something. - You guys, there were, this all stays in this room tonight. Please, please, don't tell anybody. - Sorry. - There was a bit left in the pig. That's how they found it. - That's how they proved that. - Yeah, but it was the motor. Who's the daughter's husband? - Uh-huh. - So the daughter went to the garden. - To the garden? - To the garden. - Multiple. - She said, hey, there's something shitty on her. - Oh my God. - Look at her. A woman's scoring, man. - Oh yeah. - I can watch it. - So she brought out a book. - I know it's that, hey. Fuck you. Oh my God. (audience cheering) - It's like a diary. - Remember, our family walked out of us. (audience laughing) - And so she's in jail now? - She's gone. - She's in jail now. - She's out. - And she's like, I'm right here. - Just that. Murder. - What's the wife of some from murder? - Yeah. - The daughter's husband of some from manslaughter. - Uh-huh. - I will find out the name of the book. - Okay. - Okay, great. - And I will, I'll come up. - I'm not gonna read it. - I'll do it. (audience laughing) - I love it. - You buy me that. - It's an amazing seven-part series right now that we had. - Give it a round of applause. - Let's hear it. - Oh my God. (audience cheering) - Thank you so much. - Sorry. - Thank you. - Oh my God. - Moral support. - Moral support. - Thank you. (audience laughing) - Good job. - Oh my God. - Jesus Christ. - Jesus Christ. (audience laughing) - Oh my God. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. - Who call you guys later? - Oh. - That could have been a fucking. Oh my God. - Oh my God. - And it was end and I'm so grateful for that. I'm sweating a little extra bit. - I love that they came up and made less information than Eiffah does. (audience laughing) - Fuck yes. (audience laughing) - That's what it's all about. It was important we'd get to like 30 people on the stage just milling around and of like, "Well I've heard this story." (audience laughing) I would like to say this and that. - You forgot the part of the pig. The chicken. - You forgot the chickens. (audience laughing) (audience cheering) - All right, that was our first show in Dublin. It was originally entitled Live at Vicar Street in Dublin. But if we are naming it today we have many choices of what we could name it. - Please whisper is a great one I think. - That could be boring. - Please whisper. - If you're gonna be boring, please whisper. Hi, I'm Brut's really good. Brut, redundant bear, furry bear. Day class A was good. A big ficus plant. - I mean, we're just, there's so many choices. We could do it all. - Well, that's this week's episode of Rewind. Thanks for listening. Let's go back to 2018 Dublin to say goodbye. (audience cheering) - That was Dublin. - Yeah. - This has been amazing. - Thank you. - Oh my god. (audience cheering) - Thank you. Thank you to our translators. - Emily. - You made it happen. - Frontaries. - Thank you so much. - This is a really, really awesome way to kick off our tour, our big Europe tour, our big UK and Ireland tour. - Thank you. - And lovely, you guys not only are kick off show, you sold out two nights. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's so amazing. Thank you. - We can't, it's very difficult for us to convey how insane this is, where we just started taping our personal conversations at George's House two years ago, and now we're in Ireland talking to a thousand people, or I mean, it's fucking amazing. - It's so honored. - And we know it's all because of you guys obviously, and we appreciate it so much, and we're so grateful to be here. - We have the best time, and it's because you guys are, we're the best listeners, and the best people to talk to about this crazy fucked up shit that we're also fascinated by. - Yeah. - So thank you so much. - Yeah. - And stay sexy. - And jump. (audience cheering) - Elvis, do you want a cookie? (laughing) - The detective said he had stalked her before she died. Years later, they said he remained the person they continued to focus on. - This is Hunter Gilmourne, host of Hunting for Answers, A True Crime Podcast. 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