Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 118: Golden State Killer Caught!

[MUSIC] >> This is exactly right. [MUSIC] >> Lisa, tell them about our new show. >> We have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Iwanyu, we're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. >> And I'm Lisa de Julio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. >> Now in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, good taste is my business. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is the show where we look back on our old episodes from 2018, and we get to revisit the incredible breaking news moment that we still can't believe we were there for. That's right, in a very special rewind today, we're rewinding to episode 118, which we named Golden State Killer Kot. >> It happened. >> It was real. >> Incredible. >> This episode originally came out on April 26, 2018. All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 118. [MUSIC] Lisa, we should tell them about our new show. >> My God, Lexi, we have a new podcast. I'm Lexi Yuanio, we're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa de Julio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. >> I'm not gonna get any words from fighting. >> That is wild. I learned that about you today. [MUSIC] >> Now in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, good taste is my business. And I've always got something to say. >> If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world. >> We're gonna talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older, and a little wiser. >> We're best friends, but we don't always agree. >> Because you told us how accommodating you are. >> Obviously, I would do what I think I could do to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight. >> Don't lie to me. >> Don't lie to me. >> Don't lie to me. >> Lie. >> Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't really care. >> Is that it? >> Go, bye. >> My God, you guys. >> Fuck, they caught the fucking Golden State killer. >> East Area Motherfucking rapist. >> That, this is one of the fucking weirdest experiences of my life. >> Let's talk about last night. I'm lagling in bed. I'm fucking, I've been up since 5 a.m. I'm like, great. I already know I'm gonna need his annex to go to sleep, just for the fucking shit of it. 'Cause I drank a fucking cold brew that day. Then I look at my text and immediate, and see what I've fucking been hoping to see every morning I wake up for fucking ever. You texting me and Steven, they caught the Golden State killer. >> Yes. >> And I fucking pop out of bed, gasping, scaring their shit at events. He was like mad at me, and I call you immediately. >> It, I was driving home from the Hollywood improv, just did a show there, met some nice listeners who had come to the show. I was having a wonderful evening, coming down off of that. And I have to admit to you, although I was not reading and driving, I waited for a red light. But as I am addicted to Twitter, I open my Twitter, and I'm actually going to read his name, 'cause this is the first person who told me, which means the world to me, because someone was on it and immediately was just like, did you hear this? Everyone else who's tweeted us after is loses to this guy. It is, his name's Eric, and it's at era, ERA, Kant C. And he wrote, they got him question mark. Reddit is excited. So he basically came over and let me know. And so at a red light, I open this thing and it's basically just like, there is an arrest. And it's a 100% DNA match. >> You know, I didn't see that part yet. The thing that got me excited, like that I wasn't just like, oh, this is just another thing, just when you said Reddit's excited, and I'm like, well, Reddit, if Reddit's excited, that's like, almost better than if fucking law enforcement is excited. >> Yeah, because I feel like Reddit is set up to make people stop being excited. >> Right. They're the people that shut their down. >> It's like, no, no, you're being, you're being rushed, you're being immature, you're being too hopeful. >> Or you're fucking pinning it on someone that has only to do with it, and that's fucking illegal and crazy and stop it. >> Exactly. >> So, yes, that's very important point to me. So, and what happened, you know, then I lay down and I start fucking Googling and retting and Twittering for fucking hours. And at first, they had the name of some dude that it wasn't. I'm not obviously going to say his name, but he was also law enforcement. You know, he could have been him all this shit, and so I did all this fucking research on him, then it wasn't him. So, and like, they put photos up, they put, it's just of the wrong guy. Of the wrong guy, but at the same time, this guy. It's a piece of shit, too. So, I mean, whatever. >> But it's the wrong guy. I think that's like, that's the thing that we were talking about before. It's just this, all I can think about is the beginning of making a murderer, where they are having that exact same kind of press conference. And was it Ken Kratz, or whoever that guy is, it's just like, we got him, this is it. And it's just that thing where, as we watch stuff like this, then we're just like, this is it. Joseph DeAngelo is the, you know, police, police alleged, Joseph DeAngelo is the fucking golden state killer. And then we want that to be true so bad that it's just like, and now we're going all the way down this road. And that's all we think about is these days, how many fucking documentaries have you seen, or then they pull it all apart. >> Right, but I know, yes, the 100% DNA match, and the fact that I think that, yeah, that does make a huge difference. >> Because I don't also, because that's been happening, that happens so much. And what a huge, high profile case this is, was so many different jurisdictions. I don't think these people had to do so much fact checking. They did not arrest this fucking guy until they were sure. Otherwise, it would have looked really bad. It would have made them look incompetent. It would have been a ton of fucking jurisdictions that would look bad, not just, you know, the fucking Manitoba County or whatever the fuck? >> Manitoba County. [laughter] >> My God. >> Okay, if you could get one question answered right now. Well, can I just also say this, never in my life have experienced this from the moment you and I started talking last night. So I text that, then fucking thank God Georgia calls me, because I was like, if I have to be by myself with this information, I'm going to lose my mind. >> Yeah, and Vince gave zero shits. He fucking fell asleep immediately. >> Well, that'd be like him going like, oh my God, mankind is going to start in a movie or something, or like, I want to care. >> Well, I just said to him as he was leaving, you know, we were supposed to get a breakfast. We talked about it when we were just like, and then I was like, I'm sorry, this is my WrestleMania. >> Yeah. >> He's like, I know. >> He understands. >> He lives again. >> He lives, he knows. >> He made his coffee and he made his like a spread as if we were like reporters. >> But I have to say, I've never had the experience of when we started talking about the reality of it getting waves of chills and just continuing to get waves of chills. I was laying down. It was four hours later. I was still getting chills. And it's like, it's a feeling that I think everybody wanted to have and everyone thought they would never get to have. >> Right. >> Everybody that cares about this case or has been paying attention. >> My favorite, I just, I mean, Reddit, I love Reddit, and last night it was like, it was my like companion. And well, the couple of things I thought were so funny, one person put up a fuck, I should find them. >> Can you find, no, I've put up a thing of that, that there's going to be a fucking sale on yearbooks from 1972 and 1973, that's right. >> That's right. >> And also that all the people who have a fucking lifetime subscription to classmates.com are really bummed right now. >> So the people who were like looking through the yearbooks. >> They were like, should I do it a one year, a three year or a lifetime. >> Right. >> And then they're just like, buy the lifetime. >> But you never know, there's somebody else could come up. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's not. >> That's true. >> It's so crazy. And then when we were talking about it on like, we were basically texting on two different threads because Stephen hadn't responded yet, which is so unlike Stephen, what were you doing? >> Stephen's the first responder at all times. >> Stephen's the first, when I saw it starts every week and then I thought it was from Stephen because he's the one who's always like updating us on these crazy shit. >> Yes. >> I was at Margaritaville. >> You are so fired, it's unbelievable, how fired you are. >> You're beyond fired. >> Leave the equipment, give the fuck out of here. >> Show us how to use it. >> Right. >> Yeah, take care of business, please get the fuck out. And I just want to say how Stephen's my sash. Did you see me keep trying to videotape you? >> A little bit. >> There's no like, casual way. >> It's my like, just thing of like, just like holding on to it the whole time. >> Well, I just wanted to get like, this is how it is. >> I had my fist in my mouth, like I couldn't bite my nails enough. I just had to then go full fist, like an instant. >> I mean, we were leaning closer and closer into the computer as it was going on. >> Right. >> But also, I have to say, it just says like the casual almost like, you know, as this infotain. Yeah. Yeah. Um, that was such an unsatisfying press conference because we know he's in custody. We now know his name. We know that, I mean, that fucking mugshot is so uncool. It is so unnerving and upsetting looking. But he did have some scrapes on his forehead, which it looks like. But cops may have accidentally thrown an elbow. Well, here's what, here's what I took away from them explaining how they detained him that they were suspecting he was going to try to kill himself. Which I know is something that happens a lot like with older suspects when they finally find them and they get that knock at the door and the fucking, they shoot themselves. Yes, that's right. So it sounds like maybe they had it. I mean, I'm just obviously conjecture getting out of my mind. Of course, they had a like, um, fucking tackle him to get a gun away from him. Yes, or they had some kind of like they were so prepared because they had gone through so much heartbreak that they already had a guy coming in his back door. You know, I mean, something like that where it's just like they, I would, first of all, I'm still mad Paul Holes didn't get to talk during that. What you have basically. Well, Paul's parents view is way too high at this point for this. Are you standing in the back room? Keep press conference. He was like the, the, um, he was the wallpaper of that entire press press conference. What if it was like step forward cut out? It's not even him. He like sold them the cut out for $500 for one time. Yes. And now it's going around to all the craft stores in the area. Right. Is all the people that knit and do hand stitching and all that are like, yes, Paul's. But I wish. Yes, I wish we could have just gotten the, the reason those reporters kept asking the same question over and over and then Anne Marie started to get a little pissy because Anne Marie's like, I control the information. You can tell she's just like, I don't like this fact that there's data miners that know more than I do. Totally. Clearly. But just the idea that we just want someone just walk us through real quick the day before up to the arrest. Right. How what where? Right. Or even like, I mean, of course, what I'm dying to know is what, you know, it's the thing of what led them to suspect this person enough to collect his DNA. Was it a tip? Was it, uh, you know, was he? I mean, it had to have been a tip, right? It had to have been otherwise. Why would they have, I mean, he fits the profile is what's obvious about it. He's 72 years old. So he's been the right time frame. He was, he had access to police scanners, which is something they always suspected, because he was a cop, which wasn't something that they had, you know, didn't seem like something they were looking into, but no, but that many had access to, you know, there's like little things there that would have made him a suspect, but I bet there were thousands of those people. For sure. So there had to be at least one or two tips of like, and then you look at the photos side by side of him at that time, the Navy photo of him and the, and the fucking a couple of the sketches are like, dead on, dead on that. That hairline is a super match. That's the thing I love to do. Yes, that's right. The lips, the nose in that one picture where his eyes are real sunken in. It's like, we were just talking about how and what we should put this up on Instagram, but the photo that is the most realistic and creepy that always give me chills looks the least like him. Yes. And the one that's kind of like, oh, someone didn't know how to fucking draw looks the most like him. So I apologize to whoever fucking drew that piece of shit. But see, don't you think that that's, I mean, obviously, but this part of what all of this is is we've been in a panic making things up this whole time of like, here's my theory. Here's what I think, you know, this thing obviously leads to this thing. How can you not think it's this person? Because look at this. He did these things. My obsession is like, I was like secretly in my mind, but never had the guts to say it was like, he's some kind of a gymnast. He works at Cirque du Soleil. That thing of him like jumping over fences and shit is so like not, not the average person can do that. Well, I wonder if he they had that tip come in that someone came into a hospital with a broken shoulder and they had checked because they realized that jumping over a fence, he wouldn't have known that there was an incline. Right. So they went in and they asked hospitals around like, did you get some character coming in? And there was a dude coming in who fucking had a broken shoulder as soon as they were on to him and realized that his idea was fake. He fucking bolted. And then the the hysteria rapist was fucking out of commission for a couple months. Yes. Fucking probably recovering, you know, allegedly recovering from his shoulder injury. Yes, because you can't, you can't do all the things that horrible things that he would be doing with just one arm. You can't control two people, tie them up all that shit. I mean, so maybe that's the fucking thing that they were like, this dude has a shoulder injury. I don't know. I mean, I had to be someone who put it together. And now, so let's in the, I think it's both of our favorite piece of information that we have learned that everyone else has learned online. Yes. That this, the reason that Joseph to Angela, who the police suspect is the golden stick killer. Right. The reason he was kicked off the police force in Auburn is because he was caught shoplifting dog repellent and a hammer at a pay and save and fucking citrus heights. Do you tell me where that is? What's the place? What are these places like to or the rule because you're from there with the rules fact. So it's actually not so Auburn is rule is fuck. Okay. Auburn is very my college roommate lived there is from there. And it's very like it's not suburbs. It's like no, it's rural like horse people farm people. It's also like rolling hills with lots of coverage of oak trees. Okay. Is it like beautiful and people have expensive houses there? Yes. It's like it's like expensive secluded houses or like cheaper kind of big houses. I mean, I think it's a full range because you can live there cheaply. Right. But also on a nice like an acre of land that looks amazing. Okay. Like everything comes with two oak trees type of place is the feel. Okay. Also remember that story I told you about the girl my roommate was friends with who got up in the middle of the night and there was a man in the hallway. So she's just started making that noise. Yes. That's Auburn. You should that happened in Auburn. Jesus. So it's a little bit like it's a it's a sketchy as a country area. Right. Can be. Right. So you think it's safe. But it's so secluded. So secluded that it's it's farm safe. So like that's shotgun level safety. If you scream your fucking neighbors aren't gonna hear you. They they if they hear you they won't be there for seven minutes. Right. And they also will mind their own fucking business. Yeah. So you can scream if there's a pre-agreement screaming situation. But uh oh so my point with him cutting that dog open like I now want to know when he got caught. That was gobita. It was so as a before or after because he cut the dog if you listen to the book. Yeah. He cut a dog who came upon him while he was prowling fucking cut the dog open dog survived. Don't worry. Uh but the dog repellents interesting for two reasons because one uh that this fucking hound dogs who were sniffing his trail and in the book they talk about how they lose the fucking trail at some point. They can't follow him. And also the um the victim said that that he had a weird smell. Yeah. That couldn't place. Right. Which I have always wondered about. I got an email recently from a fucking cool dude who was like suspecting that it was a migrant worker. And then I we were both like maybe the fertilizer was a weird smell. It smells familiar. Something like that. Right. And we were talking you and I were talking about yeah if it were a migrant worker it would be such a good height and plant site type of job because if he was kind of like um you know acting like he was uh say a down and out person that's just kind of blend in like nobody's going to be like I am suspicious of this guy. That's it's the perfect um kind of society to blend into and have nobody's going to say anything about anybody. But nope it's a fucking local dad, husband, neighbor, neighbor, ex-coach is even a better fucking way to hide to blend in. Right. Well the ultimate fucking way. Right. It can't be this old white guy in a white t-shirt with white hair because it's just an old man. It's just an old man that every once in a while yells fucking the street. Which is what the neighbors allege about the allegian Golden St Killer on the alleged news. We allegedly watched a minute ago. Oh my god. And then we were talking about uh okay so everyone's one of everyone's favorite clues or like conjectures is that at the um town hall meeting that was had about the East Area Rapist while it was going on uh that some he must have been there because a man stood up and said I don't believe that he would have that he'd be able to break into someone's house when the husband's home and no man would let no man let that happen in three months later. Everyone's like a couple days later no three months later that man's house got broken into which could have been a coincidence we don't really know but and they were attacked right they were attacked and the husband got tied up and I mean just right horrible. So God was he was a cop you know was he would be so much less suspicious to be there like when we're looking at the photo of who's the crowd we're not looking at the cops right the people in uniform I would fucking glance right over them. Yes especially like if he had the the cop thing and they would be interesting to be able to figure out when that uh when that news conference was or whatever they called it the town meeting town hall meeting I think um and cuz he they said he was an Auburn cop from 76 to 79 right so he did that lie in that I think it's time frame and then he could have even been standing in the front yep he could have had his uniform on stage yeah fucking with a bunch of cops it's a cop hiding in plain side yeah it's just everything about this is as surreal as it can be and then you know on red it they're talking about like well why would a cop steal but someone was like it makes sense as someone who likes a thrill someone and the East Area rapist it almost was like he got off on almost getting caught Because he did a lot of fucking creepy weird things that were over the top dangerous dangerous, you know. And so someone having a getting needing to get off on like just stealing a quick thing, that would make sense. That fucking kleptomania thrill that you got. But also because he was a cop, I bet you he had seen things where people they found the receipt for something and traced it back and these are they only make these kind of hammers and carry them at this place. So he's like, there will be no trace of any of that stuff. So he, because he left stuff behind a lot. Yeah. And so, almost like, why would he do that unless he did it on purpose? Yeah, because like he's saying you can't catch or you can't trace this to anywhere because I fucking stole it. Yeah, there's you. I know he's working on like fucking nine different levels. It's I wonder if the hammer like had the name of the store on it, the way they sent some of them to and it's like he was going to leave it behind to be like, I was even at this store and you don't know who I am, because I didn't I didn't interact with the sales girl or whatever. Yeah, because then it would lead people there and then dead end because then this girl Sally would be like, well, I sold a hammer to this cop dude that I know dead end. Doesn't matter. Nope. Wouldn't happen. Yeah. No trace. It's beyond. They have to make sure he doesn't kill himself. They have to get him to talk. This is the part that gave me the most fucking chills that anything ever has. There's in Michelle's book and it's known that sometimes he would start crying in the middle and say, I'm sorry, mommy or fuck you, mommy and like kind of lose it and a lot of people are wondering, you know, was that just him? Is that like a red herring? Is he trying to throw them off and they can think he's crazy, something like that. Okay. So this guy, the fucking amazing slewson reddit did all this fucking slew thing. This guy Joseph fucking, DeAngelo, when he was younger, was engaged. They found the engagement fucking article to a woman named Bonnie. Bonnie married someone else. He married someone else and that was in 1976. And one of the women who was actually assaulted insisted that no, he laid down and said, fuck you, Bonnie. I remember that. Not fuck you, mommy. Well, so yeah, I remember reading the fuck you, Bonnie thing. So is that recently? And this dude was fucking engaged to a woman named Bonnie and the engagement got broken off somehow. And was that the piece that made the final, the final thing go click, right? Could just uncovering that old, an old engagement that she doesn't get recorded by the county. No, only weddings do. Like, right. How would you know that? Unless suddenly, Bonnie is like, is Bonnie the one who's like, you need to look at my fucking ex? He was, I broke off my engagement with him for whatever fucking reason and that's really like to eat fucking dog repellent. I don't know. Wait, there was the other one. There was another one that was fucking great. Oh, is it? Jesus Christ. It's so shaking. It's like a million, it's almost like the feeling is supposed to be that like the homeland red string board, it's almost like now we're done with that, but actually a brand new one is starting. There's even more now. There's even more of those red fucking things. I want to know like what connection he, we still don't know what connection he had to the other cities. There's always been this guess of like, maybe there was the city planner. Maybe he worked for an architecture firm, right? So what's the thing about this company he worked for? So there was an article that they found, or it looked like it was something out of an old yearbook. So this is like the yearbook. This is data. Okay. And it said that he, I think it might have been his, his, his little thing, they used to write a little chunk under instead of like a yearbook. So he worked for a place called Sierra Hoist and Hall or some shit like that. I have the name in here. They always thought he either had construction connections. Or he was in a class that learning how to be an architecture or like a landscape designer. And that's because of the homework, fucking piece of evidence, which is like my favorite fucking evidence in the world. It's so creepy. And on the back of it. This is from your spin-off podcast. My favorite evidence. Oh, why don't you just read evidence in a fucking monotone voice, where he writes punishment on the back. Yes. He's a favorite at that point. That part in fucking, I'll be gone in the dark, is chilling. Okay, go on. It's so scary. So no, no, no, but it's just there are things on that company. He was a diver, which you know, divers have like nuts bodies. Like you have to be fit like crazy and humongous calves. Right. Swimmer. Divers, they have to stand on their toes on a diving board. Their calves are. That means he was a good swimmer probably too, which is like cast for days. Yeah. So wait, tell me more about the arc of the company that what do they do? I don't know. I have no idea. I just saw that it's Sierra hoist and crane. So it's basically if you have something that you need, hold up by a crane. The companies were last name or pulled out. No, no, it's like the two things. The company they hoist stuff and they crane. And they they will drive a crane somewhere and they will hoist the fuck out of something. I was like, Mr. hoist and Mr. Crane. I wonder how they hired this teen. Mr. hoist was the worst boss. He was such a dick. You couldn't be four minutes late. Oh my god. Yeah. So there's just a little bit of that. It's just these things that we have no idea how they actually apply. But then your mind is going crazy of like just for years thinking about this stuff and not having the answer and suddenly just being like, oh yeah. Hoist and crane means they pull trees out of the lots where they eventually built those, you know, your that's what my mind did. And I think this is a special special circumstance of like it's as if we all love the Philadelphia Eagle. I've never I've never understood sports dance. I get it now. This is it. This is the feeling of it's you're so engaged. You've been following it for so long. You care about these people. Our team has had bad luck for fucking 40 years and everyone thinks that we're cursed and we fucking a one today. Yeah. The Super Bowl. Also those women who appeared in the case file three part series that were the victims that spoke for themselves that they're fucking the woman whose mother was the victim. Their sisters or family that she they read that Anne Marie read that that was her letter that was dead from Debbie because her mom was murdered and that part of that book is so fucking sad when she's like the rebellious teenage daughter and then she comes home one day and our mother's mother is caring so bad and his brother speaking. Yeah, they're the fucking players and we were rooting for them this whole time and they finally fucking won. And they had to like they have had to endure that mother fucker. Mr. Harrington. No, no, Mr. Harrington. I thought you met that in a positive way. I don't know how mother fucking that bad as one of the East area rapists and the Golden State Killer allegedly Joseph Dan is police have named by a hundred percent. Do you know? Would call them and harass them years afterwards. That's another one of the things. So fucked up. It's so fucked up. That's another one of the things is there's that we all watched the it was the ID special. What was it called? It's not over yet until it's over. Yes, the Golden State Killer. It's not over. Right. Yeah. So that's an incredible documentary and actually one of the guys the like arm that they keep calling the armchair detective or whatever. He's one of the guys on Reddit who was like out like he was the one to follow. He was telling us everything knew it all. Yeah. So he they posted it was great and that's special too. It was really good. They posted a thing about one of the calls was recorded the going to kill you recording. Yes. And everyone tried to figure out in the in the documentary what was playing in the background sounded like people were talking. I went down that rabbit hole one night and it was they figured out what movie it was. A TV movie from the 1970s and they figured out what part of the movie it was. But now they're saying this one guy, this random fucking dude on Reddit posted. Yeah, but I think I heard some like a police scanner chatter in the background. And it was just a blip. It was just a fucking blip on Reddit and it's fucking legit. It's true. That's what they fucking heard. Not because he had a fucking scanner because he was a fucking he was a cop. I got a lot of coffee. I'm no, no, no, it look. This is like, this is an explosion. This is a fucking explosion. It's so I just didn't think it was going to happen. I really didn't. I just bought. I just bought a what are the call when you monitor your heart to see how fast it's reading. Was it a heart monitor? Yeah. Shall we go see how I like a cuff? Yeah, yeah. Put your cuff on. I'm going to go get it for us. We're going to see. Yeah, let's keep you let's keep you medically observed. No, I just, it is such a strange. No, it's funny. Let's just see how you're doing. But also we have to add the coffee element into it as well. We've all been drinking a lot of coffee. You know what? What? I'm not going to do it. How come? Because it's weird. But don't pressure. I'm just texting with my friend, Davis Kandari, who we all lived in Sacramento at the same time went to, we kind of all were like dropouts that then ended up going to Sacramento. The Sac City was the junior college there. And he and we had this group of friends like six friends and we jokingly called ourselves the 18th Street Hill Cats. Oh my god. Because we all lived on 18th Street. But it was sarcastic. But then we actually started doing it for real. The hell cats. But he texted me this morning and I was like, isn't it weird? We lived there. Like this is a this thing that in my, in all my ego, moniasism. I'm just like, but this is a weird thing where this is part of my history. Like I do know, I had my, like when I said to my sister today, I of course called her in the morning was like, they caught him. He's this. He's that. Da-da-da-da. And when I said he lives in Citrus Heights, the man they arrested lives in Citrus Heights, my sister goes, oh, remember we start to drive out to Citrus Heights when I had to do that thing for work. And like we started talking about, and it's what I've already told you, but there's this, there's a bleakness or there wasn't the '90s, the '80s and '90s in Sacramento, and this like these long streets that went on forever, and all it was was asphalt and minimals, and a horizon that had nothing on it, and I thought I was fucking dying every day in that city. And this that idea that like, it almost feels, I know it's also serving, it just almost feels like I was justified a little bit, like, fits. Bad fucking vibes. Those bad vibes were real. I keep thinking about, so I'm from Irvine, where a couple, like the later in the '80s, where when I was a kid growing up there, there was a couple incidents there and murders and stuff. It's too much. It's, it's a weird like, suddenly, you're watching a movie and suddenly you walk by in the background as an eight-year-old. That's the feeling. It's this weird like, am I background player in this thing? Which is just, I think that's just human nature, to kind of be like, I was just a little bit. Fair enough. But it's like, it's like, well, it's the places that we thought of, and that we inhabited, that were sinister and dark, and either were not at all what we thought they were, or were exactly what they thought we, what they, we thought they were, if we were creepy kids. Yeah, that's right. It's like, maybe we were getting a psychic feeling. Maybe it was just too much asphalt from my precious, delicate system. Maybe your brain inhaled too much asphalt. Can I give a shout-out really quickly to a murderino on Twitter? Her name is Cara Stone. It's K-U-R-R-A-Lin. She tweeted, "Just smuck into the press only conference for the Golden State Killer by saying I was with." SSDGM Daily News. Honey. And did she make fake press credentials, or did she just fucking, she just, like, you don't need them if you're confident. She just nailed that she had her little hat with the word press on the, on the ring. Oh, it, she says, I'm kind of freaking out because I'm wearing my murderino shirt, and everyone else is dressed very nice. I don't, I didn't think this one through. Then let's see what she wrote. Will you be live tweeting? She said, I'm trying to look casual because people are staring at me. I love her. She risked it all. For the SSDGM news. Someone says she didn't lie though. Yeah, that's true. That's it. Yeah, are now. Yeah. Then I think that's all she wrote. She probably ain't fucking jail, right? County jail because she will bail her out. No, we will not ever. If you do something, you're on your own. Stephen will use his money that we pay him finally. His birthday money. His birthday money. We got him a US bond for his birthday. Okay, that's it. Well, it looked like they were having that obviously that press conference, like, in front of the station, remember? So I wonder how they would have gotten it, like, you're not allowed in and you are allowed in. I think pretty easily. I bet she could grow a lot. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've lied by saying I'm with my community college journalism team to get into, like, things before. Nice. It's not true. What else? It wasn't true that you were on the journalism team or the full story. You just told me it wasn't true. No, the journalism team. I don't know. I've never snuck in. No, that's true. How are Dean conference? No. Are you there when he did the weird screen? Unfortunately, I was there like two weeks before and I was like, I love the sky. How are Dean? How are Dean was great. And then he fucking screamed. What was I going to say? Okay, if you could get one, like, how do you do it? Question or one, like, why this, why did he do this? Answered. What would it be? Or like confirmation? Because I have this thing of like the couple that was killed, which is what he got arrested for in Sacramento because the goddamn mother fucking statute of limitations about rape and pretty quickly. So it wouldn't matter anyways. So they got him on these murders. But so the murder that's changing in places, though, isn't it? One would hope. I think there was one story reread where they're changing. They are. Yeah. Anyway, so Brian and Kate Majore, they were that sweet couple who were walking their poodle. And it's just like a it's a freak thing that didn't fit the M.O. at all, but was for various reasons, getting, you know, pretty sure that it was East Area rapist. They encountered him somehow and he he chased them down and shot them in a backyard. Yeah. And through their poodle in the pool, which is creepy and weird. So maybe the poodle happened upon him and was barking. So we threw in the pool. They got in our altercation. Or maybe Brian fucking recognized him as a fellow cop because he was an Air Force officer. Mm-hmm. And so he had to kill them. This is different than this time where there was an FBI agent that chased him down. That's a different one, right? You got on a bike and then he was in a car. No, that's a different one. That's so crazy. And that guy got shot but didn't die, right? I don't know if you guys I don't know that part. Okay. Yeah. It's so because it went on so long and there's all these there's so many of 50 sexual assaults. And there are people who know they were single one of these incidents and we know like the people on Reddit are like MIT and we are essentially entertainment tonight. Absolutely. So like if you want good the good stuff go on to these Reddit threads because there are people that have been working on this shit for fucking eight years. And I mean I'm wondering how how many more are now going to be tied in that don't have DNA or he's gonna they said I remember seeing he's talking they caught this guy last night he's talking. Right. I wonder if he's just like you know because a lot of these fucking killers are actually cocky at the end of the day and they want to be like no no no that's not how it happened and they want credit for these things that they're not getting credit for. They're being very well manipulated by detectives in the interrogation to like get them to spill. And I think in this day and age like truly because it's 2018 they all those guys know how not to do it. Right. I'm sure they're very very concerned about exactly how they interrogate him to get him to open and stay open. And not only that so that it's a missable in court. Exactly. So they're not fucking it up in any way. No they're putting their best guys on this one. And I say they're best ladies guys and ladies guys and ladies but probably especially Paul holes. If that if Paul holes came into the room you did something wrong he puts his hands on his hips underneath his blazer and starts explaining shit to you you're just like yes Mayo Copa Paul holes I got to get this off my chest or if he's like Joe what did you do Joe you've son of a bitch and he does some kind of secret cop thing with him and then a ring pop but his favorite ring pop. Hey man I brought you a ring pop. The ring pop theory. No the grape is your favorite. Oh my god. You love grape. You love grape. It's also because he's so old to me that was the other part of not having hope. I mean just in terms of like there's like if he did all these things he's not doing them anymore. There's no way he's still alive. And that ain't a 72 year old like my dad Marty. My dad Marty looks fucking great for 72. He's got a lot of time left. That guy's a fucking this show guy is an old fucking piece of shit. It looks like it. Something's been weighing on him. Maybe yeah. My dad's 78. I think he looks better than that guy. My dad looks better than my dad. Your dad looks better than me. Keep it healthy. You got to keep it healthy. You got to walk every day. This trick is don't have baggage hanging over your head like yes being a fucking rapist and murderer being like a serial rapist to a degree where I think and also it's I understand that Anne Marie was like quit trying to say that a bunch of other people did this work and we didn't do it because we've been doing the work. I get that like even I wonder if even Michelle McNamara they they want to say thank you for bringing it to the public eye but like giving her credit might even piss them off somehow a little bit some of them. It takes away from the people who do it for a living right or how many yeah I just wish one person had said before Michelle McNamara started writing articles doing all the shit writing for fucking different magazines called saying we need to call him the golden state killer. We need to collect all these things together everyone. I'm going to go to all of the scenes. I'm going to fucking I'm going to make these cops talk to each other like my life to this and there was an element of pressure from her that they're not going to talk about being pressured of course by a citizen. Right. But I think that her bringing it to the media made them go yes we are working on it and like maybe that is not always a positive thing with the police and like data minors and armchair experts but at the same time I know what was fucking talking about it before and this was a thing that like of all the murders and rape cases in the nation it was obscure. I mean it was not well known. If this fucking hashtag right now was what was it irons irons? Yeah. Stereo rapist school. What was it? Esterio rapist. Original nights original nights. It's so it's irons. Right. If this fucking hashtag was irons right now do you think you'd be half this fucking blow enough as golden state cash at golden state killer. Right. Which is like the fucking she was they were right a beautiful catchy name. Go listen to um there's the three part podcasts called all be gone in the dark that just explains with all the players how this book came to be. It's really well done. It's a really quick listen if you just need to catch up. Get all the info. And one of them is that that she that they knew that this needed a fucking better name you know. Yeah. Because it needed to reflect that he fucking terrorize the entire state in all these counties. There was no jurisdiction that was was more important. Although you know Sacramento obviously is the grandfather and the original hunting ground and all that right that all these other things happen and it had to be cohesive. approach and I do think that, and maybe that's just because that's the, that's what I like, but I think her going around and getting evidence herself and just being like, fine, I'll do it, just copy it for me, made everyone else go like, no, no, no, no, yeah, like she wasn't going to stop. She fucking, she branded this fucking thing. She really did. And that's brilliantly. Yeah, brilliantly branded. And then wrote about it. Oh, I know. We talked about it so much. Or I just, it's like, it's like, um, I called my, I told my friend, oh, it's fact prose, because it's as dry as facts can be. She then turns it into this thing. We're suddenly, you're looking at a picture. You're not reading a sentence. Oh, let it. Yeah, I'm more credible. Words that I would never use, but fit so perfectly. I don't know what that's called. Good writing. You know what I did last night? I was like, okay, finally, I'm just refreshing everything. It's the same information. It's fucking three in the morning. There's nothing new. I took his annex, which is I never do anymore. And I knew I had to. And then I thought you were almost over 24 hour right now. Yeah. And then I put in my headphones, which I always do to fall asleep. I've been listening to, uh, I needed something nice and lightly because I've been listening to fucking, I'll be gone in the dark at night. And it's been scaring the shit out of me. Yes. Been listening to fucking Douglas Adams lately. But I fucking put on, I'll be gone in the fucking dark and my headphones and fell asleep to it. Wow. And I was awesome. Because it's a different story now. I was not freaking out. I was not scared. And my heart was fucking happy as I listened to it and fell asleep. And as Mr. Head, is it Heatherington or Harrington? Harrington. Mr. Harrington said Bruce Harrington. Yeah. Bruce Harrington, the brother of one of the victims. He's in his wife. Yeah. Those victims get such for the first time in fucking 40 something years, they get to rest easy. And what it? I mean, what a relief that he's not dead. Yes. You know, what a satisfying like, it would be great if they found him and he was dead. Glad to be fucking found out. At least found him. Exactly. That would have been totally satisfying. But this is a different thing. And, and if they handle it right, which I believe in these people that they will. Absolutely. And they're so by the book. And they're, I mean, it was funny how crazy, uh, careful they started being, it's like, why take questions if you're not going to answer the question? Well, so how about Anne Marie getting super pissed when they're like, is it related to Mr. Cruel? And she was like, uh, no, or it's just like, wait, what's the problem? Yeah. All these Australian's are like, we're just waiting to hear our guys been caught too. Right. Because there are so many, there's so many, um, you know, I read the same article everybody else did, but I was surprised I didn't know there were that many mo matches. Yeah. The eating, like sticking around and eating. Yep. And surveilling for like weeks and months before hand and all that. Oh, it's so creepy. So crazy. What about what else? What else would you want to know? Um, I want to know what the connections with the other locations are. Obviously, especially Irvine, I already had text my dad and said, Hey, did you know an ex-cop in Irvine in 1986? That's such a good idea. You're like, did you ever hang out and talk to this guy at the donut shop or maybe I didn't, that was a slur against cops. It was the first place like where we want to be right now. Where would Marty hang out? Like a Whole Foods type of place. Yeah. Mothers. They were called mothers market back then. Because he's a little bit of a hippie, right? He's a fucking caravading hippie. Kitting me. Now, was Janet a hippie? Were she just playing ball in the 70s? Uh, they were just like the health food, a fanatic hippies, smoking pot, chilling out. Yeah, but they weren't, they were, they were yuppies. Oh, okay. Yeah, they were totally yuppies. Got it. Got it. They were, can you be a yuppie and not have money? They had the, yeah, they lived a yuppie lifestyle. I'm like, if you could see this written, it would be fuppies, but faux yuppies faux yuppies. That's exactly right for you. Yep, yuppies. It would still have AUX. Yeah, fuppies. Uh, I mean, I can't even think of what I want to hear of those, those near missed times. We know of the ones, but like in, because I read that book by one of the other investigators, um, and he wrote a, like self-published book that's that thick. It's so long and crazy, but it was basically just his firsthand experience of over and over again, getting called to these houses where the victims are sitting on the couch crying and they had this horrible thing happened to them. And it's, it's so incredible. One of the times he talks about was a time where police pulled a guy over the morning after an attack. He had all this weird shit in his car and they let him go anyway. He got on the freeway north and basically toward Auburn. Yes. And that part of the story, it's just like they, no one knows. And that, that was like a, my thing, a legit fucking all this other legal shit. But it's like, if he was a cop and they saw him in his car, did they just go, oh, it's like, I go ahead, you're fine. Yeah. Or like, when you get, when you're a cop and you get pulled over, you fucking hand, when they ask you for your license, you hand them your fucking cop ID and they're like, oh, go ahead. Yeah. It's over. That's not, there's no discussion. There's no question. It'd be, it'd be fucking disrespectful, which I wonder if he kept all his shit around them. So even if he was kicked off, the fucking dude, and dressed up like him and the prowling, maybe he wasn't prowling, maybe he was fucking walking around dressed, well, I guess someone would have said they saw a cop dress. Yeah. A cop by himself would be weird. A cop car might be, no, I don't know. I would want to know also about the real estate element. That thing where there was a guy that used to show up at a process that would be across from places or, I mean, that whole part is, I don't even know, I just want to know everything too. I think we will. Oh, you know what they were saying? I was going to ask you because they were talking, but they were trying to get at this first conference. They were just trying to get Amory and our boy, Scott Jones, who I'm positive I drink with at poppy, pop eyes in the late 80s, pop eyes, the worst bar in America. He looks so familiar to me. He's like every guy I had to crush on in Sacramento. But they were talking, they were trying to get them to answer questions about that surveillance time. Right. How exciting is it to think about those cops where they were in the lab? They were like, it's a fucking match. Now go surveil him or get the, here's the thing. We need the thing to match it. It would be the match first. They would go to get the match. This guy looks good. This guy looks good. It's 18 points on the 20 point chart. And then two guys go sit in a car waiting. Now tell me, Georgia, you are now one of those guys or ladies or ladies because anything can happen. And we say guys, we mean people. Yeah. So you are a police person that's gotten sent to surveil this very good looking suspect for as long as it takes so that he comes out and spits on the lawn. Yeah. Throws his cup in the ditch. He's a literal. Like what do you see? What's your dream thing about how that surveillance happened that they snuck his DNA? Okay. Or legally acquired. Well, I mean, it's really, I feel like it seems so simple. And the most obvious one is if he's a smoker, but the problem is say he is a smoker and he puts a cigarette out in an ass tray. Well, there's no way to prove that that's his actual butt. Unless it's a brand new clean cigarette cigarette ass tray. But you know, he's maybe he's a smoker and flicks his fucking cigarette. That guy doesn't look like a fucking health nut to me. So maybe he's a smoker. He definitely looks like a smoker and yellow drinks a big gold ball. Absolutely. A big golf. So I mean, you know, they have their ways. The spinning on the ground is good, but it have to be like, remember, there was one case where they did the spinning on the ground, but the only way they were able to use it is because he did just rain. And so the spit was sitting on top of the rain and the cement. Yeah. So it wasn't like part of the ground because then it'd be like, well, this is they couldn't introduce all the other spit and weird shit that was there. Exactly. Exactly. Or maybe they arrested him on something else and got his DNA through that way. Like, you know what I mean, maybe they, but it like, but he probably was so careful. Yes. And there's no way that they would have been like, we got you for a stop. You ran a stop sign. Hey, can we get your DNA by the way? No, not that guy. And he'll never speak to that guy. He's going to lawyer up. Not the guy who was caught for shoplifting, dog repellent and a hammer. And then when they said, you have to go into review for the Auburn police department said, no, thanks. And just took being dismissed. Right. Because he didn't want to even talk about it. Okay. Well, so allegedly from what Reddit has told me that he has a two daughters that were born in 81 and 86. So of course, they're my age-ish. I looked them up on Facebook. Are we friends? I don't think we are. But I want to know about them. And did they read while be gone in the dark? Did they ever say to mom and dad, hey, you guys freaking out that at that time of, you know, at that time, you guys, we lived here because that has happened for other killers when their children suspect them, really family members, suspect them. Yeah. Isn't that the the happy face killer's daughter? Is the reason like she's the reason article was she wrote that article recently? What's it called? Like, I don't know, but she did have a TV show for a little while where she would go and meet other like she interviewed BTK's wife, you know, she would go and talk to families. And I would say this too. Yeah. Like, nobody should be in any way. Contact it obviously. Absolutely not. Like, we know that there's all this weird access these days for people. Yeah. It would be living hell to be related to this person today. Do you know that they've already tracked down the yelp review of what they're doing. are assuming is assuming is his wife's business. - No. - And there's some like, really negative, you'll preview about what a fucking psycho she is. But it's like, who knows where she is, what's going on, who wrote this review, if it's even her actual business, if it's even actually his wife. But the article is called The Struggle Defined. My struggle defined peace as the daughter of a serial killer on Huffington Post, which I keep in your read. - Oh, that's her smiley face killer? - Yeah, one of, yeah. - Yeah. - Okay, what about you? What is your, you're sitting in the interrogation room with him, you have one fucking shot. What, what, what, what, what tactic would you take? - I mean, I don't, I couldn't do it. I find like these criminals. So abhorrent. Like I just don't even want to be anywhere in the building. But I would want, if I could be inside Paul Holes or like just watch as what he did, what I would have to do. - I would have DNA inside it. He's in the inside of you, right? You could be, are you being dirty about Paul Holes? - I am. - If you could be, if you married, surrounded, your heart and spirit and smells and tastes this Paul, inside Paul Holes. - If I could just surveil Paul Holes. This is, we can't keep doing this. - Okay, interrogate Stephen, like he's the, now I can't, this improv is so weird. - I'm kidding, I'm kidding. - Just interrogate Stephen. - I just, okay. So you're saying you were at Margaritaville, but you don't seem hungover at all today or that you have sugar poised name from, what kind of Margarita did you get? - Yeah. - I got the hot, hot, hot, and I'm very hungover. - Oh, you're pulling off really nicely, Stephen. - Is that that glow about you? - That 31-year-old about him. - Oh, that's right. - You're hungover, yeah. - Yes, fucking son of a bitch. - Stephen, there's bacon and fucking bagels right here. - Stephen throws up on all the, (laughing) - Come twirl up on it, oh. - Wait, did you press play? Did you remember the press play? - You drank Margarita's that were spicy. - I love spicy margaritas. - Yeah, it has like a jalapeno. - Yes. - The best, the salts. - Yeah. - Oh, the best. - I've, so you're ulcer. - You're ul, you're not your old, but you're not, you don't, it's too late. - You said it and it's recorded. - You are an old drinker, meaning like, you weren't around. - You just did it again. (laughing) - You're a fucking old drinker. - I know. - Oh, I know. - You missed the period of like good drinks. - 100%. No, I burned out. - I burned out on like Bartles and James. - Right. - Was it an acid stomach from wine coolers? - Yeah, yeah. - That's how bad it was. - You didn't get a drink, fucking classy shit. - No, the mixology was far off. No one had a fucking curly ass mustache when I was in bars. - It was all free popcorn. - And like fucking Miller light in a small glass. It was dark shit. And it wasn't Sacramento. - And smoking a loud. - And smoke, please smoke, waitresses handing you lit cigarettes. That never happened. But yeah, no, it was like, it was like, it was like, it was 100 years ago. - Yeah. - When I think about all of those times. - They were like here, become an alcoholic. - It's so easy. - We want to make it happen as in, but when it's like nowadays, we're like here, every drink is $14 fucking dollars. So you can only be an alcoholic, but if you're rich as fuck. And if you come anywhere near us with a cigarette, we're gonna murder you. - Right, it's like you have to be some kind of a connoisseur these days to be an alcoholic. - Which I just don't have the energy for. - And you see an alcoholic. - You're like, oh, that guy must be rich. - Yes. - 'Cause you're buying drinks that have those huge ice cubes in them that are like-- - And they've designed our ice cubes. - And they measure everything. So like you're not, it's like an ounce and a half of alcohol. - And you're like, it doesn't matter. I'm just gonna swallow it really fast, like giving my dog a treat where she, I look at George and go, please just chew this twice. Like please, and just go, like, I'll give her a leftover steak from like a dinner we were at. And I hold it out and she swelts. - She inhales it. - She doesn't taste it. - She, I'm like, bite it twice, you'll love the taste. - It better. - Elvis does that too, it's quick easy. - Couple of people have the great idea that this needs to be an MFM. Do you need a ride crossover? - Be so crisp airbanks. It's just driving us to fucking Sacramento. - You know, we could take the entire drive up to Sacramento to explain to Chris Fairbanks what the entire case is and what's happening. He's like, I'm, I never heard of this before. - And I don't care. - And I still don't care. - I'm not interested. (upbeat music) - Lisa, we should tell them about our new show. - Oh my God, Lexi, we have a new podcast. 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And that's where I sat at that red light texting you and being like you, what's, or like guess what? And I can see all those moments kind of after that where it was like the before of the news and the after. - Totally. - Yeah, and I was listening to this and it's like, the amount that I started digging online after that, just wanting more and more and more information. - Yeah. I mean, it's disappointing that to this day, we don't have a ton of information about it. I know it's like, I just thought there'd be so much more that came out that would come out, like other victims and other crimes. - Right. - It would be incredibly satisfying to go over all of the theories. - Right. - And where, you know what I mean? It's like this one people really bought into because Dada does, she looked like this or like the way people got off track and back on track. - Just answers for what things meant. - Yeah. - Yeah, like the dog, the smell and the bonny, all those things that we just like, they came obsessed with. - Right. - Let's do some updates, want to? - Sure. So, detectives originally got the DNA to test from Golden State Killer's car door while he was shopping at Hobby Lobby and they were able to match that with seam and gathered from old crime scenes and then they got the second sample from a tissue that was in a garbage can outside of his house and then once they had that, they arrested him the next day. And then on April 24th, 2018, Sacramento County Sheriff's Deputies arrested former police officer Joseph James D'Angelo at his house in Citrus Heights, California. And he was famously identified using investigative genetic genealogy. - Prosecutors ended up charging D'Angelo with 13 counts of first degree murder and 13 counts of kidnapping to commit robbery. He couldn't be charged with sexual assaults or burglaries because of the statute of limitations which is kind of insane because as the East Area rapist, when there was over 50 rapes and attacks and he just remained hidden long enough. He waited it out, I fucking can't, I can't, yeah. In June 2020, as part of a plea deal to spare him from the death penalty, D'Angelo pleaded guilty to all 26 charges against him. He was sentenced to multiple consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole. HBO made a docu-series in 2020 of all the gun in the dark. It includes Paul Holes, it includes everybody basically around, they had cameras with Patton. - Yeah. - As he was trying to go on this book tour because Michelle had died and the book was coming out. And they were trying, and that's where they were. Well, I mean, that idea that they found out With documentary filmmakers with them because they were trying to do something else for her book totally like it's the crazy I mean we've talked about all of this, but it's the most larger than life like movie script of an experience Absolutely and as of 2026 Stangelo remains incarcerated in California. He's 80 years old. Also update every time I see Paul holes I fucking try to get like more information out of him, but you know, yeah That's just like yeah, we want more yeah, it's almost like everybody got what they wanted Which was for this monster to be stopped and but then It doesn't go into like and now he's going to Completely admit to things he's going to explain things like you don't get satisfaction Yeah, ultimately or that's not part of it. It's like just the fact that it stopped and the fact that he's identified Yeah is I guess the most we get to have from that Hopefully, that's enough for the victims families and the victims to be able to move on Which is worth the real point, but you know, we just we want to know. Yeah You know and I also remember is us when we watch that news conference every moment of it was so unsatisfying Yeah, that's where I guess I thought some of that payoff would come or some of that satisfaction We were just talking about not being there, but like watching them all congratulate each other right and It's and not talk about Paul holes. Yeah, not talk about Michelle McNamara kind of basically pointing it all back toward these You know police departments. It was just such a weird thing. We're just like oh wait a second. So we're not gonna Yeah, you're about how or why and what they missed like yes, of course they're not gonna talk about well You know saying this the only way we could ever get him was from genetic genealogy I'm sure there are ways and there was evidence and there were clues where they could have caught him Before he had done a lot of the grimes. Yes, they're never gonna talk about like that's what I want to hear is like Did you know he was the caught a cop and could you have looked into this and you know did you you knew these like little things about him or Even just taking some which of course this wasn't the expectation But it would have been satisfying for them to talk about the interdepartmental lack of communication that that stood in the way of Solving these crimes that stood in the way of them connecting Southern California crimes to Northern California crimes Like all those things that it felt like For some reason yeah in my mind I thought that that would be a dress where it's like and so can we stop doing that from now on so that it this kind of bullshit like They're all baseball teams and your team has to win over another. It's like you're standing in the way of a Potentially like stopping monsters and totally Executing just because you want to be the one and it just and also the question of like was he at that Conference in the audience yes where the guy says Something about a man being in the house. He would never let that happen and he becomes the next target Yeah, we still don't know if he was there or if it's just a random act or what but I mean it It couldn't have been because that's the exact kind of monster heat like the creep that he was like oh Well, I was there amongst you and I'm gonna let you know by this horrible attack right and then there was also like There was people who said they heard another voice during Oh a second voice they're people who said they heard a second voice during the attack and they would steal He would steal things or you know rob them of really specific things like household things I Mean I'm gonna suggest something very creepy. Yeah, he's the second voice Yeah, because that's and I'm definitely pulling that from like a whore of like a psychological thriller from the 80s or 90s He would talk to himself for sure. Yeah, and it would make perfect sense that if it's like yeah, and you're doing voice I mean, yeah, he's all up here. Yeah So Yeah, or like was there other targets that he like did he have notes of who he was gonna target or like people that were after the fact Finding stuff under those couch machines that kind of thing where it's like you know. There's those stories totally people are like Oh, there was all these footprints in our backyard and then it happened five doors down or did he know the victim that he Targeted before he targeted that person right. There was the whole real estate theory right, right Yeah, there was like a boat a photo of her with on a boat. I mean, yeah, yeah, crazy. I guess we'll never know. No We'll never be sad as you get Paul whole's drunk and They can tell us everything so I'm not I'm that's not a I'll do that That's I think we have plans to do that in in December definitely, but yeah I mean it was like we got dropped into a movie totally on that like day and all the days after that Yeah, I think got caught. I mean we'd never rename this episode because this is clearly what it is But if we want to go through and just name some kind of some great lines. Yeah, we had during it Too much asphalt, which is the feeling. I've always had about sacrament now Beyond fired when Stephen missed the Golden State Killer news because he was at Margaritaville Remember and you said you are beyond fires Stephen loves Margaritaville does like Ironically. Oh, yeah, it's like the way some people are like they have their mom's favorite casserole Stephen's just like an afternoon drink at Margaritaville and Universal Studios. Yeah, love that. Yeah, you had that good line This is my Rosalmania. That's right. That's kind of I would I think that fit. This is my Rosalmania. All right. Well, what else is there to say? Nothing this then this week's episode of rewind. Let's say goodbye from 2018 Lisa we should tell them about our new show. Oh my god Lexi We have a new podcast. I'm Lexi, you want to wear two best friends 22 years apart but so close at heart and I'm Lisa Julio the old one Which means we have wildly different references occasionally different opinions and at this point in my 50s I've lived it all. I'm not gonna get any words I'm fighting. That is wild. I learned that about you today Now in my 30s being the founder of new shoes good taste is my business and I've always got something to say. If men were just honest about this there would be so much more peace in the world. We're gonna talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older and a little wiser. We're best friends, but we don't always agree. Because you told us how accommodating you are. Obviously I would do what I think I could do to fight the fight but there's only so much fight I can fight. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Lie. Listen on the I Heart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't really care. Welcome aboard season six of the girlfriends flight or fight which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. There's great food, comfortable chairs and attentive stewardesses. The stewardesses was so beautiful. But in reality the stewardess job is far less glamorous than it appears. It was the most sexist job I think you could have. In this era the airlines told these stewardesses they have to be single. They had no good excuse for why they wouldn't let women be married. They have to be skinny. We were starving ourselves. And they have to be young. You would retire at age 32. But one day a group of stewardesses said, "This has got to stop." They risked it all, turning a fight for fairness into a revolution. Listen to the girlfriends flight or fight on the I Heart Radio app. I have to say maybe we can close it up. But I'm like honored that we get to be a voice in the background of this. And Michelle McNamara, we've been such a fan of hers, a fan girl of a fan girl crime. And I'm just honored that we get to even talk about this. What a magical thing that in real time, it's not like 20 years from now where we get back together to talk about that they finally found the guy. Or they finally figured out who it is. It's just like, this is shocking. It's thrilling. And yeah, Kudos to fucking Michelle McNamara and her. People keep using the phrase, "Dogged Persistence." But I think there's something it's like this righteousness and this kind of call for justice that I think we all feel. And I think most people are good in that way where they don't want other people to suffer like this. And that's what's cool. It's like all those people at that press conference, everybody that's talking about it, everybody is just like, no more of this shit. No more pretending, right? Doesn't matter. No more pretending that you, that, you know, all these weird old things are really going by the wayside, these old attitudes, all that kind of stuff. And it's like building a new fucking tomorrow as corny as that sound. No, I agree. People in Sacramento know who are loving Sacramento and want to defend Sacramento. You don't have to, because I get towns change, whatever. But I also get to have my opinion about this, the very short amount of time that I suffered greatly in that town. town. Every day I was suffering, I was a goth in the summer. Yeah, it sucks. Shit and I couldn't go anywhere and be happy we're gonna were that doesn't mean anything about you or your family Your fucking grandparents, and we weren't even are we were in planning our our tour agent Wasn't even planning on sending us to Sacramento and we insisted because it's become this running joke Well, because Sacramento murder in ours are like showing up and they're like they're like come here We love it. We love you. So we love that. It's it's been so fun But but you cannot change my mind about 90s Sacramento. I think they love it Oh, I know what I wanted to say yes, and I love what I love about reddit about what about this press conference About I'm what I'm sure Michelle would say is that no one is saying I knew it. I took credit for this It's because I said this I said that it's this it's it's wanted to be solved by so many people and that's so much bigger than anyone's ego They want it to be solved for the victims and for the victims families and friends and to put an end to this fucking monster and bring them to justice Yeah, and so I love that this fight is not for For credit or think being the one who solves it. It's about Justice and I I know Michelle would be saying something to us along the lines of no no no It has nothing to do with my you know. Yeah, she would be Demuring and she would be rightfully so giving a huge amount of credit to the detectives who have worked on this for years and years and you know and wanted just as much to solve this passionately as we did 100% and the way that sheriff was saying at the beginning I wrote his name down scot johns my party friend scot johns That he was saying in the beginning he when he became the sheriff The person who was the sheriff will for him was like this case is huge and important and you have to work on it So there are all those people that over the years when they were just trying to go place to place with no technology with everything was Writing writing everything up by hand and putting into a file. I saw something that was like one page of files from back then Takes you know three weeks for us to like translate. That's so wrong But you know what I mean to put into a computer to put in a computer like one file takes we have to yeah It just takes forever to make it. Oh, maybe it's I don't know it was great But basically it takes fucking forever and it's tons of work and it's really hard work back then all paperwork and Those people suffered the the police who worked on it suffered too. Yeah, like they they're the ones that had to go and Suffer by not catching him and by meeting more victims and there's so much It just is so incredible that there gets to be at least it's not closure But it is this like it's next steps. Yeah, it's real next step. Finally. It's fucking finally fuck guys Thanks for listening. What does know what you think? Yeah, uh, this is really cool. Yeah, I'm thrilled me too. All right stay sexy. Don't get murdered Bye. Hey Elvis. Do you want a cookie? There it is. Bye Lisa. Tell them a better new show. We have a new podcast. It's called don't lie to me I'm Lexi you want to wear two best friends 22 years apart but so close at heart and I'm Lisa de Julio the old one Which means we have wildly different references occasionally different opinions and at this point in my 50s I've lived it all now in my 30s being the founder of new shoes. Good taste is my business Listen on the iHeart Radio app that will podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts