Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 111: Figure It Out, Kevin

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Hello. And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is the show where we look back on our old episodes from 2018 with all new insights and case updates and pop culture references. Today we're rewinding to episode 111, which we named Figure It Out, Kevin. This episode originally came out on March 8th, 2018. All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 111. Hello. Hi. And welcome to my favorite murder. The podcast, your weekly true crime podcast hosted by Karen Kilgara and Georgia Hardstark. And that's us. And there's Steven over there on the ones and twos. Making it even. Happening-er. What were you going to say? He's making it happening-er. He's making it happening-ing. And making it happening-er. Because he took an improv class. He knows how to heighten. He yes-and-ed. He yes-and-ed our eternal improv that is this podcast. That's exactly what I was going to say. And. And. Yes, and. That's correct. The hanging and. Hey, how are you? I'm good. Yeah. I feel like a lot of actually relevant things have happened since we last recorded. Yeah. For us to catch up on. Yeah. Because we. Yeah. Because last week we put up a live episode. So when we missed that week, we missed the talking. Yeah. So we have to talk about the Oscars, for example. What? A monologue. Well, no, the one, the thing I was going to say, which I'm excited to talk about is the four-part ID channel series called The Golden State Killer. It is not over. Yes. I thought you, I was like, it's not over. Oh, that's the full title. It was. Yes. Every time that title card would come up, I'd be like, it's okay. We get it. It's not over. Yeah. So the Golden State Killer now is on the fucking tip of everyone's lips. That's right. Because Michelle McNamara's book came out. Yeah. And I'll Be Gone in the Dark, which I've been listening to obsessively. Yeah. I'm almost done and I like don't want to finish it. So I'm listening to other shit. So I don't have to. Yeah. So it won't be over. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not over. No, I know. It's not over. As they say, it's correct. It's correct. It's not over. You know, what's funny is I, so Patton Oswalt, who is Michelle's husband, sent us copies of the book so that we could have it because he knows. But I forgot that I had pre-ordered it long, long ago. Right. So I had two copies. I was holding yours because he sent them both to my house. Then a couple of days later, I got a third copy. So now me, you and Steven all have copies of Michelle's book. But the cool news is that Patton just sent me a picture today of the New York Times. Book review bestsellers list. Michelle is number one on the nonfiction list. Yes. Yeah. She's number one. And it's so cool. Like it's so as a person who followed her from the true crime diary. Yeah. And I used to just pour over that thing. I remember the post that she wrote when she talked about how Eron's original Night Stalker, that it was too confusing and it needed a better title. And she it was her idea to call him the Golden State Killer. Which is so like forward thinking in a way that's like, you know, this needs to be and people need to know what this is because there's all these victims who are not getting the attention that they deserve to have their case solved. So if we give it a better name, people will pay attention to it more. Exactly. Which is so smart. It's not something I would ever have thought of, you know, of, you know, that that's important and why. Yeah, she was she was very masterful in the whole her whole approach to it was so good. She got cops to start talking to each other to share information. It's it's very cool story. And I'm sure most of the people listening to this are either reading it right now or listening to it right now in some way. I'm sure that has a lot to do with that. Those numbers. Totally. So good job, you guys. I'm so excited and thrilled that she gets that kind of remembrance and also that it gets that level of exposure. Yeah. But, you know, I was going to say is that ID channel. I was actually looking because it's produced so well. And it is a company called Sirens Productions. Uh huh. Which makes me think. It's the ladies, but they have survivors. They have victims of the Golden State Killer when he was the East Area rapist in Sacramento and some people from down here. But I'm thinking of those first when the first couple of his like original victims were talking, I got really nervous that it was like, how is this going to get handled? Right. And they were the it was just that thing of like people who had been through the strong people, the victims on that were interviewed here and like the victims. Yeah. Family members were interviewed as well are strong, fucking resilient people. It's that are just there to be like, we want this solved. We want anybody who knows anything. And we because it's it's really frustrating. And like, I'm knee deep in it right now from watching that and from listening to the book. And and of course, after, you know, I listen, I go on Reddit and I read all the message boards and I read all the theories. And so I'm kind of in that phase of like being inside of this insane case. And it's really frustrating and angering because. It doesn't make any fucking sense that it hasn't been solved, that he hasn't been found. It doesn't make any sense. Except for the fact that it was the seventies in the beginning. And then he did the classic thing that that every time it's like when you switch cities or strange jurisdictions, but it's like as soon as as soon as they found that out, they there should be there is enough evidence. And I can I'm saying this for like the cops to there must be so frustrated with this is like to piece those then together and be like. Oh. OK, this is the suspect we thought it was. And now we can match him up because he was in Irvine, too. And it almost would make it more solvable now. But it's not. Well, yes, because that doesn't there's it's not like there is a database. It's that thing where when you try to look anything up from before 1990, there's nothing there because it was all paper or it was documented in some other way. Like that was the I loved the fact that they had to detect the female detective who worked on it in the 70s. Who was the woman who was speaking? She I was telling Georgia this. She was speaking at that very infamous this the town hall meeting where a man stood up, said, I don't understand. This is impossible that anybody could if there's a man in the house that anybody would that their wife would be attacked. Right. Blah, blah, blah. And then like a month later, that family was attacked, just horrifying. And and they know then that that meant he was there and he was this really high level predator. But she. This detective in this meeting is telling the women in the room, she literally says the words, don't be polite, attack him and try to injure him if you if you can at all, if you get the upper hand in any way, try to injure him. And what hearing a woman in 1977, totally go, don't be polite to people. She says, like, we've been raised to be polite and to be and don't do that. And yeah, it's incredible. And to this day, she's as sharp as a tax. She looks amazing. She's like right there. And she's. Everything she said was just so, you know, it was very it was all about we need this salute. We need the families that have gone through so much that are still living with this weird feeling. because nothing was resolved that they need that resolution it's just the host the whole story i'm like kind of obsessed with and gives me the creeps and i think for you and i it being in california and northern for you and southern for me and these in our neighborhoods yes that we're from yeah and kind of i think what's so freaky is that he he went to these planned communities that were uh you know family communities and just terrorize them like houses next almost next door houses yes attacking and raping women inside of them it's just the whole story is a nightmare and the fact that it hasn't been planning yeah like the that it wasn't and he's weird there's something wrong with him yes like not just obviously a rapist there's something wrong with him but the stuff that he takes eating uh and hanging out and he's like a he's got some there's you can tell there's some narrative in his head and what's okay and also can we just talk for one second about how what are the odds that you have a story in a in a case that's this insane and compelling and years long and then one of the lead investigators is just a simply beautiful tv ready detective doctor or a detective every time he spoke i was like your teeth are perfectly white oh my god he looked like robocop yes he looked you know he looked like is um hunter remember that old 80s tv show hunter no where the guy they literally had the fcc came and said you have to wear underwear you never heard about that no hunter um she was like go to bed mommy's gonna watch hunter well you know what i keep doing in my obsessiveness is like who okay who did my mom date at that time because he was in irvine in 1986 so i was six years old so i'm like who did my mom date anyone at that time is that who the murderer is like it's so scary so scary um but yeah it's it's just like it's it blows my mind it's since it's it has to get solved i know and it's going to be really exciting when it does but also bittersweet from michelle and like listening to the book every time they say or every time in the book it says like the next chapter is uh accumulated from her notes yeah it just hurts me in the heart every time i see that or hear that yeah because it's just and then the obsession and and i kind of it reminded me a lot of that obsession that i used to have at a desk job when i would just sit and read blogs like that and stories like that which weren't written in that way then they were kind of just like stories you had to kind of put together based on you know reddit and stuff like that yeah because her writing is so it's true crime written gorgeously yeah so like when i used to read that blog you would just read these stories and like i have all these stories stuck in my head not because oh it's uh it's because she wrote it almost first person in this way like she got so into what was happening in this person's life and then they disappeared and it's just she really got what it's like to be obsessed with true to be a person who can't sleep and just is obsessed with true crime and obsessed with a case or cases or anything it definitely feels like what people have said to us which is like you've made it you made me not seem like feel like a weirdo because of it it feels like i'm not not a creep for liking for being this obsessed with true crime to the point where i can't sleep at night well because it's these questions that it's the worst case scenario something happening and then just unanswered questions so it's what what are the events leading up to this how did it happen why did it happen like those are things that it's better than a tv show or something like that it's like it re and i don't mean better it's more interesting and engaging and kind of like this is a fellow human being that just disappeared off the face of the earth and sorry and it's like and this and that but the way she makes the way she tells the story of the victim and tells you who they are you know before what happens to them happens yeah is it gives it such a more vivid and such a fuller picture a picture of how horrible it was to be to live in that time to be a victim to live in that neighborhood at the time yeah to be scared i had no clue i couldn't picture it until she kind of explained it right yeah yeah she like that book starts off with like her like how it first started for her and it was because there was a murder in her town it's fascinating yeah that murder was up too oh my god i can't wait to start reading it again which i'm going to yeah it's very it's it's just a it's bittersweet it's but it's also cool that it's out there and it's going to be very very interesting to see and that her name will forever be you know when they do catch this guy her name will because they're going to there's no way it's not going to happen but uh her name will always be connected to this case that obsessed her yes which is and what i also think is cool in that special is how they really featured the what were they calling them the like um the basically the people that were trying to solve it online oh citizen sleuths citizen armchair sleuths yeah citizen sleuths i think i said it which we laughed every time they said it yeah but it sounds so stupid but it sounds true i get it and when you like on the surface but those guys put taking i mean digging into this research oh my god talk about like yeah like doing the the hardest work of all which is just like we went through records this is the company that was building houses at this time yeah like all they're taking the police evidence and matching it to records and then going like i think i mean it's amazing and i think all of that combined the fact that there isn't some woman coming forward being like yeah so my stepbrother was a creep back then and you might want to look into him right he lived in sacramento our grandma lived in goleda and you need to look into him like how has that not happened yet i don't know or maybe it's people who don't either some i don't know it makes me think of like someone has a hunch that it's their whatever but they don't maybe they don't want to face it or they don't want it to be real well i said to events when we were talking about this kind of thing i was like and then we were talking about how ted kaczynski's brother is the one who was like you need to look into my brother how hard that must have been and i was like would you turn in your brother if you found out something was going on he was like absolutely i would in a heartbeat like it's people like us so we're like yes i'd be so stoked to be like look at asher he did it not because i wanted my brother to be a a murderer but because it's like you can't do that it's not okay but then i was like well what if you thought suspected something about me and he was like oh well we'd have to have a long talk like i don't know what that means you get one final breakfast right we talk it over for breakfast i want you to say you get one murder that's it you know in this relationship i'll give you one freebie it's the murder hall pass um no yeah anyway it's just kind of it's just so strange and it's all kind of coming to the fore now but it's also good i'm happy now but this is an email that steven found for us that just pulled for us karen georgia steven and assorted pets first off your columbus ohio show is great i just wanted to let you know that my husband greatly appreciated your huge shout out for his website dot pumpkinshow.com i think your mention just increased the show's foot traffic for this year oh my god the columborinos are expecting the columborino are expecting to have a meet-up at the show oh my god the pumpkin show yes i love it that is oh okay my husband is a native circle native of circleville and he's been involved with the pumpkin show since the late 90s and has done their website since then he even purchased the domain holy when no one even knew what a domain name was he is also the photographer of the giant pumpkins in your slot oh my god and most of the pictures on the site we were cracking up the whole time as circleville is serious about their pumpkins it is the oldest and largest show of its kind in the country and maybe the world thanks again for the shout out in the show safe travels around the globe ladies oh my god like going to the pumpkin show yeah right uh me and kevin that's kevin's the webmaster for pump www.pumpkinshow.com oh my god that's amazing so funny i love the reach is just far-reaching i mean here's the thing in our experiences when you go onto a website it's a high quality website you you give credit because that credit is due how how many websites are there out there it was just sitting out there excellently unknown waiting to be grabbed waiting to be seen and talked about yeah and you know we did it and you did it we did it we all did it we did it together you guys now we start the podcast that's all about life that we wanted to start originally remember when we talked about it yeah about pumpkins pumpkins and life it's basically a podcast where we um figure out a way to sue kevin for www.pumpkinshow.com and we take ownership called squad gourds we could get if we could get a hacker to please hack the pumpkin show website oh i'm kidding no don't do it stop it hacker this hacker's like her hands are like over the keyboard about to be like whatever the they do on movies she's got yeah she's got fingerless gloves and she's numbers are going numbers numbers numbers in her head she's drinking coffee doing lines yeah just like hacking and then we're like wait melissa hold it don't do that what's her uh hacker name it's um melissa eight melissa eight hack your hack your you are life it's dark web melissa dark web lissa lissa in the dark yep liza with a z liza yeah and that's it that whole thing was her name what we just dot com dot net yeah uh hackers really like let us know if you're a hacker they're the people who when you're at the coffee shop and they have a full computer there and they're using eight outlets those are them they're not cool they're always it's always hackers always work in cafes wait i don't want to insult any hackers though because i wouldn't all the lights go off terrible idea didn't you watch mr robot or whatever the fuck that shows i did it was good that's so good it's really good uh hackers we love you unite we have a tribute to you they all look like angelina jolie in the movie that's right hackers was it called hackers uh the show hackers the movie hackers no no i know the movie you're talking about it's hit it's where john where um johnny lee miller the british actor and ryan felipe was ryan felipe in that i don't know picture i think steven's gonna tell us okay i think it's called something like the motherboard no that's not correct well i do know what movie you're thinking of antitrust with ryan felipe okay which was did i just mash up two that was a those other movies okay classic mash-up okay was he a hacker in that he was like um it was like bill gates was played by um uh not tim robbins chris cooper uh i get what his name is but he like was like a bill gates type and he was we need a steven to look up equal for our steven that's right uh he was like it was like a yeah it was like a bill gates guy who was like stealing like young people's technology and ryan felipe was like uncovering young conspiracy the conspiracy what's the other one mtv website yeah yeah oh yeah uh and this hackers was from was angelina jolie it was released in 95. it was called hackers they just went for the lowest common denom yeah johnny lee miller did it have a z in it uh no unfortunately that's the remake now what was the movie the motherboard that i'm talking about was there a movie called the motherboard a b movie in the 60s about women with children who get tied to boards um or just like the mom is bored and they like okay whatever the motherboard or it could be a female ceo with children the motherboard she's in charge yeah she makes all the decisions you know and i'm going to try i parenting's not working i'm going to try acting like a computer i'm going to tear i'm going to make a computer version of me the mom yes as a stand-in it looks exactly like her but it's she's controlling it yeah from her from santrop trapa from her listen from what's this called why did i pick a name i can't say i don't know santro pay trench okay now if you're 10 years older from bora bora um if you were if you were 10 years older you would know that because it's from the banda soleil commercial the theme song when we didn't know anything about spf or um skin cancer banda soleil was essentially wesson oil in a beautiful bottle and in the summer you would just put it smelled so good it's just baby oil to lay in the sun in yes and give yourself cancer and there was a little bit of orange dye in it so that you kind of not uh you would seem tan just by putting it on and the themes are the the jingle was band is so late for the central pay tent it was so high glamour oh my god that's all i wanted to do was have a san trope tan when i was sure i mean i still do if i'm gonna be honest bend is so late have you seen that commercial steven no nobody's seen it i'm so i'm like the last white rhino i'm so old and i only only me and a handful of people know my references that reminds me you're gonna we vincent i just remembered that you're gonna be uh birthday 92. you're gonna be birthing when we're in europe right in when we're in oslo oh cool it's my birthday oh let's go find like a reindeer restaurant and eat reindeer for your birthday okay great let's eat a live ring let's catch and kill right i yeah gorgeous animals let's do it do you remember in um uh chef's table i think it's season one maybe season two there's the guy who who his restaurant is viking food no did you not watch that series i don't think i did i think i meant to i thought you would i thought you i just automatically assumed you would think that you know i get it he he gives you a dish and it's he lights like peat moss on fire and then cooks like three herring or like it's like a bowl and it's like a bog water yes and it's like have you seen the bodies in the bog yeah you mean the the ones that have always been there bodies yeah yeah the ones that are kind of orange yeah they have hair yeah faces and nails yo yeah look that up you guys that's that's a that's a big bog hole to get into get into that bog hole so you want to go to that restaurant do you want to go get viking food yes but i think you'd have to drive like four hours north of oslo or wherever we are i'm not even sure it's in norway vince which is the worst part that's for vince to find out that's for our tour manager stephen will you look really quick just so i'm not a total fool in case if this is like in a very obvious other like i don't think you need nordic country i'm going to get really depressed but i think it is norway well you don't know the name of the restaurant you're just asking him to look up what yeah i'm just asking confirm me and just affirm me as a person i hear you i don't know how you'd look i hear what you're saying i hear i hear that you're saying hackers yeah and i'm going to tell you you're wrong it's the motherboard um see okay okay can i just say this we haven't really talked about the alienist recently oh yeah are you watching yes loving it my machine isn't tivoing it is it not because it's not a tivo one it's a direct tv but two in an edition it starts at six it didn't record it is it good it's so good i watch every episode twice okay oh my gosh uh because i love the um art direction yeah i want to go back in time please i just want to see what it would really look like to walk down the street in like lower east side here's what i think you would notice not what it looks like but the smell yeah you gotta you gotta think about that man yeah it stunk so bad everybody stunk and it stunk but still i just the visual i mean did they even have toilet paper back then no they used papyrus right uh-huh from the bible uh-huh uh swinging back around the restaurant was uh favaiken and and it's in sweden so but we're going to see you are going to sweden oh we are yeah oh great yeah you'll be in stockholm so uh it doesn't say what city i bet it's only seven hours outside of stockholm we're going on a mcdonald's for your birthday like you know you're getting real complicated i'm gonna be like i don't know it's just like the mcdonald's here is a mcdonald's for your birthday i'm gonna be like i don't know it's just like the mcdonald's here is a mcdonald's for your birthday i'm gonna be like i don't know it's just like the mcdonald's here is better yeah it feels more real it's like i can taste the clogs but i bet you there's some fancy restaurant that yeah that's there yeah sorry guys no whatever um i was actually you know who uh knows a lot about norway norwegians is um our accountant really yeah that's weird she was talking all about her account really yeah that's weird she was talking all about her account really yeah that's weird she was talking all about her account all about her account really yeah that's weird she was talking all about her account really yeah that's weird she was talking all about her account about if we go she was so excited that we're going to Europe oh my god so excited that we're going to Amsterdam yeah she started naming all these places we need to go in Amsterdam and things we need to do I'm never that one one of the things she said is so worth it you can get on a bus and go to tulip Farms big huge tulip Farms and just walk around and see because they're going to be in bloom while there oh my god i like tulips i love tulips so much we're gonna say i'm in the ground we're gonna say that i'm growing in the ground big big spots of purple tulips um god guys god and you know all his friends all his friends are there and they're happy for you and they're ready for you it's gonna be the best feeling it's gonna be the best it's gonna be a tulip farm we're going to meet god in amsterdam and go to a tulip farm with him all the fucking religious people just unsubscribed tulip lovers right unsubscribe what they should be on our side i don't know why they're so mad at us we're kissing their fucking asses right now we're fucking blowing them up right now we're like oh do you like tulips we we like what you like yeah tulip murderinos are like tulipino finally our time yeah jerry tulipino yeah you there you go oh jesus christ um guys a full apologies all apologies and we're back who'd have known that a month later the fucking golden state killer case would be solved looking back on this is always the weirdest to me because it's gigantic and we we knew it was like as it was unfolding but it's so the idea that this man was arrested, did go to jail, that that actually happened in our lifetime and we all got to witness it. It's just like people never give it what it's due. Right. It feels like a foundational part of the podcast too, because it was, you know, kind of in the first couple of years and it was something that we had talked about multiple times with Michelle McNamara and us being such huge fans of hers. And then for all of this to play out was just incredible. Right. And this is two years after those first episodes where we talked about True Crime Diary, her blog, in the first episode, I believe. That's right. Because you covered this case. Yeah. It's just, yeah, it's very foundational to us and what it was like kind of making this show. Totally. And then Paul Holes is like now part of our fucking network. So it's just very Matrix-y. Very fateful feeling. Yeah. It's pretty incredible. Just like it was so fateful that we covered the Circleville pumpkin. Well, first of all, we covered the Circleville letter thing at that live show. Yeah. And then got obsessed with the pumpkin show, of course, the Circleville pumpkin show. How did I forget? I literally did forget it was called the pumpkin show. What'd you call it? Which was my favorite part about it. Like I always thought it was festival or something. Like I knew it happened in Circleville. It's a show, baby. It's a fucking show. And actually it's still going on, the Circleville pumpkin show. Its official website currently builds it at Ohio's oldest festival. And the 119th Circleville pumpkin show is scheduled for October 21st through the 24th of this year. And my God, can you imagine? In 2025, the largest pumpkin winner, the pumpkin weighed 1,972 pounds. What else? What's the size of that? How much does a cow weigh? What does a, let me see, I'm going to Google it. How much does a. My guess, 800 pounds is a cow. That's my guess. 1,200 to 1,500. It's the size of a fucking cow. It's bigger. Because this is almost 2,000 pounds, the winner was. Wait, did I say that wrong? Yeah, you're right. Bigger than a motherfucking cow. Than a cow. Should we talk about how for all our big talk, when we were in Amsterdam and Oslo, we never went to see the tulips. We didn't see anything. I don't think we realized what tulips were. I don't think touring overseas was going to take out of us on a day-to-day basis. No. We couldn't be tourists on our own tour. We wanted to be, and we were kind of trying to make noises like we were going to be. And then it was like, you know, I'm not getting on a bus to go see tulips. Oslo is also the city where our luggage didn't show up with us. That's right. So we had to go on stage and kind of like what we wore on the plane. And yeah, so that was a little bit of a bummer. And I had some weird sort of jet lag. Jet lag thing happening where I was like, it felt like I was about nine hours behind. And I was like, when I was awake, I was all fucked up. And then I couldn't sleep. And it was wild. It's like when you're on acid and you're like, your hand trails behind your hand. You know, it's like, that's how life, life is trailing behind. It's all just trailing. And you're just like, what is this? Why do people come and watch us? I'm wearing pajamas on stage. What is even happening? And that show was actually great that we did in Oslo. Yeah. Oh, my God. It was. So fun. It was so good. There's something about going on stage in like basically pajamas that makes like the pressure a little lower, you know? Right. We had a good story to kick off that show. Right. They were all very into it. And just like it was a real happy to be there situation. Plus, architecturally, whatever room that was in, it was like, yeah, it was like a beautiful auditorium from 1970. Totally. It was beautiful. Okay, let's get into your story about the Van Nuys Court House shooting. Who goes first this week? Karen. Karen Kilgareff. All right. None other than Karen Kilgareff. Now from Columbus. Yeah. Okay. No, I'm from Northern California. So when I sat down to do my murder this week, tonight, four hours ago, I was like, here's what I did. So, um, and we talked about this two weeks ago, um, how somebody accidentally ordered, they meant to order themselves packets of the true crime, uh, trading cards and they ended up ordering boxes. So they gave us each one. I was sitting there and I have this really weird habit of like, when I'm like, um, what put things in piles on my counter and then spend days figuring out where they need to go in my house and that true crime the box of true crime cards was sitting on my counter unopened and i kept moving it around yeah like people would come over where's it gonna live right well i decided it doesn't fucking need to live i'm opening that box and i'm opening every packet what the fuck yeah it's my box and why am i gonna like save it like some star wars nerd sorry and then unsubscribe of subscribe steven gets up storms out throws himself over the railing of the podcast loft um but i was like why am i saving this these this is my thing that i like i want to look at every one of these cards go crazy so i opened all of them the problem was i got halfway through and realized these are always going there's only like save five sets right and i'm just repeating them so you have yeah i see what you're saying but my worry was i would think that was true and then miss set so then i just opened every single one and this just says so much about how different you and i are because i'm like that must be so free because i can't open mine because it's like no you'll ruin it you're gonna ruin it georgia don't ruin everything but how do you ruin the thing that's supposed to be for you yeah no it doesn't matter 100 that's what i realized because you know that thing i had i had my friends over for game night which is my it was so fun and it was the first time i had people over in a really long time and it was i kind of like felt like i had to because it already gotten hosted a couple of other times so i was like waiting on you yes basically put up or shut up oh so when i was cleaning my house i was like there's so much clutter and bullshit in this house that i don't need or want yeah but i have a weird connect like i feel like i'm not allowed to throw it away yeah i get it so i tried to start doing that thing of like does it bring you joy put it in your hand for three seconds and then throw away anything you don't need or truly and when i looked at that box of things i'm like i want to know what every card is sure so why don't i just find out do it i love it so now i have a stack this big oh my god i've sussed through we've done this already i've never heard of this i've heard of this okay and now i have my new stack which is the best organized i love it that has nothing to do with this story i'm about to tell you oh wow because i was just sitting there going like think of like one of the original a moment it doesn't have to be a whole story and i thought about this event so i looked it up i'm here to tell you oh i'm so excited all about and tell me if you remember this oh my god from 2003 the van eyes courthouse shooting no i don't remember it oh girl oh honey okay so when grandma was in her early 20s this was before the internet existed comics used to we used to pass around videotapes with what essentially were today youtube videos on them so there was and this is the time so it'd be like we're all going to go over to so-and-so's house and watch uh so-and-so's tapes patten was the one patent or blanket patch usually are the ones that had them and they were just compilations of things you couldn't believe you were watching so it would be like the very first one i saw had the farting preacher on it so it's that guy that they dubbed over farting you know that you've seen that video yeah yeah everyone's seen it then there was there was like um cnn bloopers when cnn first started yeah they used to up on the tape all the time and there was people that would just record it and they would make like blooper reels of cnn stuff of like you know that guy bernard shaw was the original cnn anchor he'd be like asleep on camera it was awesome there's amazing stuff then there was really awful things like there was a orchestra that was playing one time that the entire stage collapsed while the orchestra was playing and uh that was on there just random awful crazy cool so this is one of those things that went around this is much later this is like how every like everything is terrible it came about where it's like totally before that was a thing exactly what you did is you made compilations of fucking weird shit yeah somebody would be at home and they'd be like what is this children's show where a weird adult is teaching yoga i better record this because i don't understand what's happening i love it yeah so this is this was a clip that was would have been on one of those videos and it's the craziest thing i've ever seen so i'll just tell you okay it happened on halloween october 30th 30th 2003 okay now if you're from the southland you know that van eyes is one of the most gorgeous cities you could visit oh god so she's kidding it's just concrete it's concrete and discount furniture stores totally that's exactly what it is but out in the middle of all that there is a what eight story the van ice courthouse and the van ice courthouse is a eight story van ice courthouse and the van ice courthouse is a eight story van This courthouse is where you go when you fucked up in your car. which everybody does i have been there because i fucked up in my car what'd you do i don't remember i must have i don't know a moving violation probably yes so i had to go there i'm still mad about this i had a friend who on fucking ventura which is down here for anybody that's not from down here ventura is the big basically a four-lane highway that's a street it's in a song even yeah ventura boulevard ventura boulevard it goes four miles through it basically bisects or runs up the middle of the san fernando valley yeah and you can get on it in uh at the like hollywood where the hollywood bowl is essentially and you can drive down for so long i mean i don't even know how far it goes um so we were on ventura at i think it was like cold water in ventura and it was like 10 o'clock at night and we were gonna go to a party and my friend had just gotten a like very fancy sports car and from a metered parking spot she flipped a u-turn on ventura crossing four lanes of traffic to do this u-turn and we immediately got pulled over and i hadn't even touched my seat belt yet oh no so when we got pulled over these two um traffic or these two policemen i don't know what kind they were but they were both young and they were hopped up in a way that scared the living shit out of me and i was like imagine if we were a car full of black teen toys this would be beyond and they were so aggressive for no reason oh my god and they were like i need to you're he was like this guy was tapping on the like mad at you my window mad at you and it's not even down the window let me see your id like comment at us and i kept going like i'm the passenger i didn't i'm not controlling the car he's like your seat belt's not on i go we just pulled out of the parking spot of course i was sassing it up i got a fucking 320 ticket for not having my seat belt oh no or some insane and this was when i lived in a studio apartment yeah i mean it was dark times i could not afford it and not only did i have to pay this really high number i had to appear in court for not for this moving violation so i wanted to murder my friend yeah say her name work work through it now yeah so you have to go to the van nuys courthouse i was so nervous to be in a courtroom i was like dying well you have to sit there for the 40 other cases before yours so it was just like one teenage boy after another sad fucking depressing shit so depressing most of the teenage boys it was for their radios car stereos were up too loud shut up yes they were all like the judge would be like young man this is your fifth violation you can't drive with your stereo up this loud there was like that happened like 15 times i mean figure it out kevin like just turn it down a fucking decibel turn it down i understand you're trying to make your friends yeah you're a badass and everyone around you you want them to not fuck with you because you're scared yes we're all scared because you're scared they'll see the real you kevin but let me tell you as a fucking 37 year old who used to turn shit up you can't hear anything when you're an adult anymore the damage that i have done to my hearing oh yeah is amazing half my friends are can't fucking hear anything because we all used to go to shows and shit like you just don't it's not there's no it's not be boring it's not as cool as you think anyway so by the time i got up there i basically the judge ended up reducing the dollar amount because at one point i just went he was he was questioning me like i was the driver and i finally went i was the passenger and then he went really and he was just like 120 or something like cut it down thank god but the entire experience was nerve jangling and sure infuriating so now i've set the scene okay van eyes courthouse very strange large building kind of ominous yeah right i'm there i'm there with you there's a discount furniture across the street there's a discount furniture across the other street there's a donut shop in the strip mall right there yeah it's probably got great donuts and that's the only thing in that strip mall everything else is closed there's also a nail salon oh yeah there's there's two nail salons next to each other yes but otherwise there's nothing there's nothing and because it's van eyes it's always 91 degrees oh my god oh 91 and like and like but in a hot way yes a stifling way a stifling yet dry way like put and there's not one fucking tree in the entire city funny that you should say that almost as if on cue it's perfect setup okay yeah there's no shade except for the height of this building right this cement building it's dark times so and so at this time because it was october 31st 2003 um normally it's you're so far out there the only people that would be at this courthouse are people that have business there it's not there's uh you wouldn't go there for any other reason you're not there for fun there's no fun to be had there's not a great restaurant in the basement nothing nothing good oh it's a vintage cafeteria you know i have to go like all the other courthouses how they have nice things god there's some great food at the la county courthouse however people do go to pasadena courthouse because it's gorgeous is that true it's the one it's the one they use it as the courthouse in pawnee in parks and recreation oh yeah yeah right yeah i'm gonna say yes i'm i'm gonna agree with myself i'm agreeing to anyway so yeah um it's like i don't want to say vintage but it's like pretty architecture yes it's gorgeous so yeah that's not happening here at the van ice van ice courthouse they were like we want to make it tall and upsetting looking um and and it was probably they did that in 1972 okay at the time on this day remember when robert blake had to go to on trial for attempting to kill or the attempted murder or no sorry the murder the murder of um his wife bonnie lee bakely right um so this is a amazing overlap and i'm gonna say this is a really amazing overlap that i didn't realize until i started researching this so for those of you who don't know robert blake was an actor he was a child actor um he was the beretta he was you know he was kind of like the he was almost like a serious ted danson of the 70s um nothing like ted danson in any way almost the opposite really but that's the first television person i could think of so he yeah he was like magnum pi but like serious true yes yeah didn't do a lot of comedy though yeah i feel like ted has better range yeah um so he and his wife were eating dinner at a very famous old italian restaurant called vitello's which is on tahonga yeah and vitello's has clearly been there since the 50s right and he they left the restaurant and then he said wait here i'm gonna go back into the restaurant i forgot my gun and he and robert blake went back into the restaurant get his gun and while he was in there he forgot his gun he forgot his gun in the italian restaurant why did he have his gun i mean because that's where the gun would be when his right wife is being shot in the head out in the parking lot right he's not involved and his gun is in the restaurant so that was the suspicion and that's why he ended up going on trial and the trial and a bunch of shit took place at the van Nuys courthouse which is amazing and i didn't know that because they were there there was pre-trial hearings going on because there was um there was a conspiracy between the two of them and they were like oh my god there was a conspiracy charge between robert blake um saying robert blake and his bodyguard uh who's named earl shit i can't do they think he actually pulled the trigger no they think that the conspiracy was that he went in to get his gun really publicly while his bodyguard earl was outside shooting bonnie yeah so they think that he shot bonnie the the security guard right the body yes okay got it yes so they were at the courthouse that day and they were like oh my god they were at the courthouse that day to have the pre-trial hearing about this conspiracy charge it eventually got dropped and they ended up saying uh they didn't actually really have a lot of direct evidence or real material evidence anyhow we'll we'll do that story some other time okay but because that pre-trial hearing was taking place at the van nuys courthouse that day there were all these news cameras set up from all over the place internationally set up so that when robert blake walked out they would have the shot of him leaving the courthouse yeah whatever the verdict was for that pre-trial hearing they hadn't even gone into the full murder trial yet okay at the same time it was 10 a.m that same morning and so all these cameras are set up and meanwhile 53 year old wills and probate attorney gerald e curry had just um had just appeared in court himself as a probate attorney because he was representing a client who was the trustee of a special needs trust for a 64 year old man named william streyer and um the trustee had said that streyer had been threatening her life and and so she wanted out of this trust streyer had been in an injured in a car accident and he had won settlement money for that injury but the money was taken and put into this trust because and what i'm gathering that i don't know for a fact but what it seems like is that he was unstable and couldn't because of the accident in it no it doesn't seem mentally unstable um that there's some for some reason he couldn't manage that money by himself it was put into a trust and then this woman was placed in charge of the trust so she had no connection like family or otherwise with this guy she's like i'm not sure okay because these are the details yeah that was the case that gerald curry was um in charge of and she was he was her lawyer okay um the this trustees okay and basically the trustee was like this guy is threatening my life he he keeps saying if i don't give him the money he's going to kill me i don't want to be involved in this oh my god so that's what why they were there at the courthouse for the hearing about that that trustee's position oh my god so he walks outside i've seen the okay now i know you know what i'm talking about now because you said to steven earlier keep this video handy yes i've fucking seen this video now this video this kind of made me real like happy in a weird way wait maybe i'm thinking of the wrong video no no i think you're thinking of the right video it's so incredible it's insane and the idea that this happened on the day that all these cameras were already set up yeah it's beyond bizarre okay okay so so gerald curry the attorney walks outside just got that thing taken care of it's 10 a.m i'm gonna go get a coffee blah blah blah the attorney for the trustee is like yep he just wrapped up i'm gonna go to that amazing cafe outside of the van nuys courthouse yep and maybe go get my nails done right he's standing there in the so it's like the court the courthouse is there and then there's this kind of long rectangular courtyard and that's where all the cameras are set up and as he's standing and it's um the courtyard has uh bushes and trees and things planted okay remember this part so as he's standing there just stepped out of the courthouse um a stranger walks up to him that he's never seen before and says has your name gerald curry now what is our answer if some a stranger walks up and says is your name georgia hard stark no no it's not nope i don't know that name what are your what would your intentions be if i was georgia hard stark what can i pass a message along to georgia hard but i know her uh i've heard of her yeah but it's not it's not me but if you want to never fucking cop to shit if a stranger is asking you questions yeah why do you ask would be the response why do you ask why do you ask what's going on yeah or even this excuse me goodbye and you get the fuck away but i'm sure that gerald curry was just like i'm at a fucking courthouse everything's okay yeah so he says yes i am gerald curry and this man pulls out a gun and starts shooting shit two shots are fired and all the the news cameras are like what the fuck is going on roll them and they start recording holy shit you want to play that video so this is as it happened he lived he got a nice survive which is fucking straight up and he says he didn't know the person all that he didn't even see the gun he hears the pops he felt blood on his face and he realized he was being shot so in his mind he's like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die and he said i have to be a moving target i have to start moving so he just starts trying to dodge the guy this video this dude is legit like fucking tap dancing to get the fuck away from this bullet and he hides behind what is the thinnest tree in recorded history yeah it's the most upsettingly small tree there's there's nothing to hide behind he's like doing a thing it's like a cartoon where it's like i'm hiding by this tree yes no i'm not it's the craziest it's beyond meanwhile the whole place in this video and when you go on to see it there's a girl on a payphone in the background like what the fuck like like 10 feet away yeah like this this is like all the sudden handgun shooter so apparently everyone that was nearby in the courtyard the all the cameramen start rolling the people that were in the courtyard run around the corner so the good news was that at the same time la county sheriff's reserve deputy david cat was off duty as a reserve as a as a sheriff's deputy so he was at the courthouse because he was working in um the traffic court oh my god where i where i was oh my god he's your friend he was there uh working traffic court but he's wearing a suit and tie and he doesn't have his gun on him he's totally unarmed he only has his badge so when the when the shots start popping off everybody runs like around this corner yeah and onto the street and he does too then he hears someone run up to a um tow truck driver and say call 9-1-1 a deputy just got shot and then he hears that and runs back into the courtyard even though he doesn't have a gun and there's kind of nothing he can do he pulls out his badge and he's like i have to go back in like i can't i can't run away from this and goes back in and as he goes back in he the first person that's walking by he says where is the deputy that's got shot and he's like i don't know where he's and the person who he asks never breaks stride and doesn't turn his head to look at him and goes he's back there and and keeps walking totally calm as day yeah calm as day then a cameraman sees that exchange and starts yelling that's the shooter that's the shooter so basically oh my god david katz walked by the shooter and asked him that question and the guy was like as if nothing yeah walking away from the scene um and so he realizes that's his one moment and he has to get this guy so he turns around uh runs and jumps and tackles him grabs him by the neck pulls him down basically he said he tried to hit him as hard as he could because he knew that he would have to like this was his one chance and he knew he had at least one gun on him so david katz tackles him and he it turned out he did have a second gun oh my god he just never got he just never used it um and then once david katz tackles him then a bunch of other deputies that come out of the building they're all on him um jesus fucking christ yeah and apparently one witness said that um when uh so the shooter's name was a man is a man named william stryer and he was the person who he had been injured in a car accident and he wanted the money from that trust and he was like what the fuck does he think happens in life in law that's our new show coming this fall to abc what's happening in life in law and it's just nope in life in law in life in law dot dot dot and it's like a mom she's trying she's it's motherboard is the working title that's so i can relate to it yeah yes what the fuck i know it doesn't work like that you're you've just proven you shouldn't have any money because you don't understand and because you're going through life if something fucks you right you just threaten to kill it totally that's the reason that they were in court is because he had already threatened to kill the trustee yeah and then it comes out he i i never found what the actual ruling was but i imagine it was not for him sure but he knew that gerald curry was the lawyer that was the trustee's lawyer so it has nothing to do with you and it won't even help you to punish this person because they're they're too much for you to punish you because they're too much for you to punish you because there's two steps oh two fucking what do they call it uh degrees away from the fucking problem you're having to become from kevin bacon yes well and also he had already made the bad mistake yeah which is you you're not allowed to threaten people say give me my money or i'll kill you so that you now disqualified yourself from the money but you want it to be someone else's fault yeah that you don't have that money yeah so you've decided that this lawyer is keeping you from the money right and apparently a witness said that he heard stryer say when the shooting was done he shot at him six times um and stryer was hit four of those six times oh my god um i mean i'm sorry uh gerald curry was hit four of those six times okay but then once the shooting was over before he calmly walked away a witness said he heard him say that's what you get for stealing my money so he in his fucking mind he thinks that these people are all trying to steal his money yes so at the trial william stryer appears in court laying on a hospital gurney because of his claiming it's because of his long-standing back injury so he's in in bed in in court in bed which is a dream i've had do you ever have that thing where you're in a dream you you like wake up and you're like i'm at school but i'm also in bed yeah like you're the weird one in bed yeah only not it's not like the naked dream but it's like the you didn't get the memo that we're you're supposed to be out of bed right now you're supposed to be out of bed right now you're supposed to be out of bed right now you're supposed to get out of bed yeah so then you're trying to play it off and just kind of be like i'm not in bed no it's fine i'm just in bed a little bit in public yeah no i actually had that or like i've had the like wait starting to wake up and you think there are people there and be like no i'm not in bed i'm not sleeping right that makes you think a couple of my in bed dreams have been in being on people's front lawns in bed where i think it's because when i first moved to la it was a lot of people lived so close together that and so many people live so close together that of like like we're basically on each other's fucking lawns yes yeah or in each other's like and i'm just gonna sleep here yeah i'm just gonna be out here i don't know anyway okay basically his lawyer so the shooter william streyer's lawyers say he needed immediate access to that trust fund because he needed a back operation so badly um but he was being barred by the trustee and that's why he was so upset and then he also was on demoral which is an incredibly strong painkiller okay what i remember of friends being on demoral it's like a vicodin style yeah but i think it's it's bigger i think it's like goes into the oxycontin direction opiate style shit i think so so they were kind of using that um they and the judge who was named judge rubin um noted that streyer had shot a neighbor four times in 1969 in 1969 he got into it with a neighbor shot his neighbor four times and he was like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry for which he served 90 days and got two years probation so this is the way this this guy dealt with everything in his life yeah and the first time around on that the the way that all got pled down the judge this time around was like you tried to use that i'm on pills yeah there's something wrong with me thing before and they fell for it last time it's not happening this time and it's like dude you think we wouldn't have checked that come on yeah exactly you got a bit of it but it's not happening the history yeah that's that that's gonna stick with you william streyer asked the judge if he could address the court and then did he get out of bed to do it no he's still in bed he just like sits up in bed and he's like he's like ahem he adjusts his pajamas he goes to address the court but he starts to veer off track and he starts to say it's the cameraman's fault that they didn't stop him from shooting at gerald curry yes so he starts trying to blame the cameraman who's standing around and that's when the judge was like no no you're not doing this anymore not only are you not gonna make the statement to the court now you're not allowed to be in this room you have to go put your bed in the hallway and you have to listen through oh my god you have to listen to the remainder of the proceedings through a speaker so he got sent from bed out of the courtroom go go to your bed yeah it's like good take your bed to the just roll that motherfucker out into the hallway oh my god you don't even get to people we're not even gonna look at you anymore because also that it's so funny my sister was in she got hit by a guy who was shit-faced at eight in the morning oh god oh god yeah she had really bad back problems and this guy pulled shit like that he showed up one day in court with his daughter on it like carrying his daughter on his hip saying what like drunk sorry i just i didn't have um babysitting it's like people doing all these plays to get empathy and and sympathy and like to get people on their side yeah she got hit by a guy who was shit-faced on his hip and he was like oh my god you're not even gonna look at me that's the good news that's the good one that's the good news okay judge rubin was basically all over this shit and he was like the deputy district attorney um basically it was like william stryer tried to execute mr curry um he had no remorse he never accepted responsibility he was still making excuses by the time he was in the courtroom and blaming it on other people not someone's mind of like why did they hit why did they roll record on their video instead of doing something well but it's somebody with a gun yeah i i get it i get doing both yes you know well also but who would really it's a gun yeah you're gonna run up to this guy and fucking tackle him unarmed and even a sheriff's deputy was like no you had to take cover yeah if you don't have any way to fight it yeah it doesn't make a ton of sense to be like no i'm gonna go take care of this right um and they those cameramen who recorded that then also were the ones that were like he's right there like they were all over it anyway that was who that's bullshit anyway but yeah basically william stryer was convicted of attempted murder and in 2006 he was sentenced to life in prison plus 25 years and he ended up dying in prison because he was already he was 63 when he did this gerald curry went to that sentencing and he told reporters my main concern is my safety and my family safety um and so he said he felt satisfied with the fact that the fact that he knew william stryer was going to prison and he would be in prison because he was so old already for the rest of his life he was like that's all i care about and that's fine unfortunately the shooting left a bullet lodged in the back of his neck and he had a really bad ptsd after it happened um jerry gerald curry died in 2016 um which is very sad david katz the sheriff's deputy got a medal of valor for um going back into that fray and tackling him and he went on to work as a reserve deputy deputy for in charge of search and rescue unit for the la sheriff's department and that is the story the very fascinating and horrifying story of the van ice uh courthouse shooting dude isn't that nuts that's nuts and the fact that it's on video is so bananas it's so crazy it's like a time yeah when you didn't see that shit no i remember us whoever put in the video uh i remember david cross was there like i remember it was it was the early 90s or no it couldn't have been early 90s but it was like early la yeah time of my life and we were standing watching the video like holy shit it was so crazy and it was almost like Curry was defying logic by, yes, he, it didn't even look like he was getting shot. It didn't look like he was getting shot. It looked like he was avoiding these shots, but the gunshots just kept coming. Yeah. It was horrible. And like, what a scary situation to be in that this is happening. And so far you've made it and you're fucking dodging these bullets, but keep going. Like, Oh, like what? It's terrifying. It's so crazy. I mean, as someone with anxiety, I'm like constantly waiting for someone to just start shooting at me whenever I'm in fucking public. Yeah. And so to see, so I think what I meant when I said that this made me feel better is to see something that happened to someone and he dodged and he was okay. Right. So like, it was like this thing of, all right, it might happen, but maybe IQ could also be okay. Yeah. That's, that was crazy. That's a crazy fun story. That's awful as well. Thank you for telling me. Yes. I totally forgot that. I remembered that. That's from my new segment. Remember this horrible thing that had a tiny piece of video attached to it. Hey, remember this? Yeah. All right. We're back here in any updates. Unfortunately, there's no updates because I wish we could talk about this case for the rest of our lives. Yeah. What a wild thing to kind of witness on the local news. Totally. Unhinged. And that was just like the beginning of unhinged behavior in this country. Right. Like 2003 is when it happened, right? It's like, oh, you don't know what, this is going to be like a blip on the news soon. Yeah. This is nothing. You know, this is nothing. But like, but it seems like such a big story. Yeah. It's, I mean, it is a big story, but it's like. It was. It was the craziest story. Yeah. But, but it's just so sad in this country that we have been forced to accept this state of the state with gun violence in this country. Yeah. Well, since there's no updates, let's just move it along. 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All right. Heal up. Hey, the capital of Mexico, Mexico City. Mexico City. Have you heard? Yes. You're so good at geography. You got it. Did you know it's the third, the world's third most populous city, according to this Wikipedia that I, I hope it's up to date. From 1974. Yeah. It's. Okay. So it's estimated that. One million of its residents are over 60 years old. Whoa. Yeah. So in 1998, when brutal murders of elderly women begin to start popping up in Mexico City, the press starts to speculate that there's a serial killer and they dub the serial killer El Madavajas. But police are like, no, no, no. You guys are fucking freaking out. Calm down. This is media sensationalism. It's just that elderly women keep getting killed. Yeah. But it's not a serial killer. Stop trying to link them together. Calm down. It's not a serial killer. But Mexico has no shortage of serial killers. Gregario Cardenas Hernandez was known as the strangler of Tacuba, and he became a celebrity in Mexico after he was caught murdering four young women and burying them in his backyard. This is in the 40s. Okay. There was even a fucking porn based on his crimes. Jesus. Yeah. So he was like a. Celebrity. He was in prison for 30 years. But in 1976, he was pardoned and celebrated as a hero because he had like changed his life. He'd like fucking play the piano in prison, learn to play fucking piano. So they were like, no, he's changed. You know what I mean? The piano is nice, though. I mean, no one who plays the piano can be a bad person. Like in heart and soul. Get a little get a couple rounds of heart and soul going. Hell, yeah. That's all he learned how to play. It's not that hard. It's not. And they're like. He's reformed. It's like, please stop doing that. Oh, God. There's also the sisters Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzalez, known as La Poconiches. The little Poconiches. Yeah, that sounds about right. From the 1950s until the 1960s. They're the women, older women, their sisters. They run a. Large scale prostitution ring. Oh, and they murdered at least ninety one people. These two fucking middle aged women. What for? Because they whenever one of their sex workers that they had kidnapped and forced into sex working wasn't couldn't do it anymore. They would kill them. They would kill if like a John came who had money on him, they would kill like these chicks and bananas. Their Guinness World Record called them the most prolific murder partnership. Oh, wow. Yeah. And actually, one. They both went to prison, one died there and the other one served her time and got out. And no one ever tracked her down after that. Are you serious? Yeah. So I'm going to need the fucking this is not media sensationalism. This this might be a serial killer, right? Yes. All right. Can I just say this really quickly? As you were telling that story, I started to think about my favorite one of my favorite things in the world to observe or listen to is and it happens a lot in L.A. because there's lots of people who are bilingual who are probably raised in like a multi language households. Don't you love it when you're standing by two people? It's for some reason, it's always teenage girls in my mind and they're speaking Spanish to each other because I think they're trying to tell like private stuff or secrets, but then they'll just say interchangeably with English. They'll just blow. They'll say an English word perfectly, like almost valley girl accent. Yeah. So it's like a little bit and a thing that you don't know or understand. And then it'll be like the carwash, aren't I right? Yes, exactly. There's phrases in it. It's like it's my favorite L.A. thing. Yeah. And I'm also a very bad eavesdropper or a very good eavesdropper or the best eavesdropper or listening to people at carwashes all the time. I wish I could speak fluent in a different language and then that like the idea that you can do that and just flip back and forth like, well, now I have to say something private. And I know that this person over here is probably listening. So. I'm like, I'm deeply embarrassed as someone from Southern California, born and raised that I don't know Spanish, like it, it feels like I'm being fucking elitist and rude. It's kind of rude. It is. Well, it's it's yeah, it's it'd be easy for me to learn. Right. Well, my sister and my dad went to the J.C. and took a Spanish class together. That's cool. I know I love that, but I wish I I wish I did it, too. And also I wish I hadn't taken French, which just served me like it's like I think a couple of menus that's helped me a couple of fancy dinners and pretty much that's about it. And my fucking sister-in-law is Mexican and El Salvadorian. So my nephew is part of that as well. And the fact that, you know, he can't talk to his aunt in one of his fucking languages. Yeah, it just makes me feel shitty. Let's go to Los Angeles Community College. Done. Right down there on like on Melrose and like Western. Yeah. There's a community college right there. I went there out of high school. Did you really? Yeah. You didn't take any Spanish? No. Let's do that. I would love that. It'd be super fun. Or can we get sponsored by what's that? Rosetta Stone. Rosetta Stone. Come on. Let's have it. Our minds are open. Yes. We want to learn. Please teach us. OK. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. OK. OK. So back to. Second, El Madavajarez. OK. Mada. I feel like you're. You got the accent. Madavajirez. Yeah. I think that's right. Yeah. Right. I'm ready. Yeah. I think you're ready. It's like I know a little Yiddish. I can fucking turn that into something else. You got the ear. Listen. I can listen. They say once you have Yiddish, Spanish comes immediately afterwards. That's what they say. Great. At Los Angeles Community College. That's their motto. Yeah. Once you have Yiddish. The world is your oyster. The world opens up to you. That's really the baseline. It's kind of the it's the Latin. Yeah. Yeah. But for yelling, yelling at your grandkid, your granddaughter, Georgia and Yiddish is the Latin. Don't fits all over my Chesterfield. Right. Grandma stuff. Why am I sweating on her? Chesterfield's like a furniture, right? Yeah. Why are you sweating? I took what I thought your grandma would say and then added something. My grandma used to say would be like, get off the Chesterfield. Because she, for some reason, said the same couch or sofa. But you know me well enough that I am constantly sweating, which is fucking true about me to know that I'm not. Shvitzing is the only Yiddish word I have like on hand. So that was not personal. Royskamater is one of my favorite. What's that? It's just bothering, like touching and going through. My mom would say, don't Royskamater the cats. Royskamater? Uh-huh. Wow. Don't Royskamater the cats. Like, I'm fucking with the cats. I don't fuck with the cats. Cats are doing that. You know, it's like, leave them alone. Leave them alone. Do not Royskamater the cats. Yeah. Okay. Here's what I learned in Gaelic. Okay, let's hear it. Can you give me more whiskey, please? I want to punch someone. I'm saying it with a really strong accent right now. That's good. I'm going to repeat that to you later. Okay, cool. Yeah. I'm going to try it when we're in. When we're in Dublin. Dublin. I'm going to try to. I'm going to use it. Use it. Yes. I have rage issues. I feel like I want to punch someone. It'll help me. Yeah. And then. But I'm still going to punch someone. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to try it. And then before you get the third word out, they're going to be like, we gotcha. Don't worry. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Ooh, we're going to have fun there. Okay. All right. So back there in the early 2000s, so authorities said that the murders of the old women aren't connected and aren't the work of the serial killer, but there's a fucking clear pattern to the murders. All the victims are women in their 60s or older, and they're found in their own homes, all of them, either bludgeoned or strangled, and afterwards are robbed. There's never any sign of forced entry, and most of them lived alone. And so I went online and did a lot of research, because there's not a lot of English stories about this, stories about this in English, but I found a website that has, unexpectedly, every single fucking crime scene photo the bodies in them oh just one of those like surprise and then i start scrolling and it's like all of them whoa and it's really hard and it's so it's essentially like your abuela it's like abuela abuela every fucking grandma like mexican grandma you've ever seen with her like house of her like with her newspaper from the morning and her shopping and her you know she just crosses everywhere it's like every mexican grandmother it's so horrible like you think you live a life of like comfortable dresses with pockets and like you know feeding your grandkids too much sugar and it's like that's the women that's who it is and it's really fucking sad and i had to after a few scrolls had to stop doing that stop looking at it yeah don't yeah that's the worst yeah it was really depressing okay uh so the chief prosecutor in mexico city uh profiles the killer it's bernardo batiste saying that they that he has a brilliant mind he's quite clever and careful uh it was thought that whoever was doing it was taking the time to gain the trust of their intended victims because there's no forced entry so one theory is that the person might be posing as a government official providing them like an opportunity to sign up for welfare programs at the door and they like in the the suite abuelas invite them in um years drag on bodies pile like there's just many murders of these older women and authorities uh have all these different theories but they really don't know what's going on uh they said there might be multiple killers uh they find that they're one really weird detail is that three of the victims owned a copy of an obscure 18th century painting jean batiste grazeau's boy in a red waistcoat oh which turns out to be a red herring at just the end of july 18th century and they're like oh my god we're gonna have to do something with this painting um yeah so it's like some it was like the thing that was for sale in the market or whatever they're like oh that's pretty so it just turns out that like that but that's how that's how little they have to go on is they're like what's a connection well they all had this painting oh is that the connection like who sold you know they don't know somebody that hates waistcoats i mean who among us um okay so just to show how desperate they are uh the killings would start and stop again or stop and start again even i mean both directions they would go all over the place they would stop you know um no information surface okay the killing of 82 year old carmen camilla gonzalez miguel on september 28 2005 she's an upper class woman and she's the mother of prominent mexican criminologist luis rafael rafael morano gonzalez so that finally police are like all right now we'll fucking pay attention to this and let's let's get this going so they start um the operation of parks and gardens to like try to find this person so officers patrol the areas where the killer was active um and pamphlets are passed out telling uh you know the elderly women what did i say pamphlets wrong pamphlets i did that was just like one of my nostrils closing as i said it i didn't pamphlets i thought it was a spanish word that i just never heard of you know pamphlets they they when they hand out all the pamphlets yeah pamphletos uh even was that a dirty word okay pamphlets you've heard of them you love you love them you know them you love pamphlets i love a nice pamphlet one thing about you oh my god if it's glossy and color give it come on come on um they tell them telling them to be wary of strangers so sketches are distributed and they like uh they pay elderly women to act as bait in parks what like fucking undercover elderly women hanging out being like who's gonna come murder maybe murder you and they're like we'll promise we'll stop them before they can murder you but please tell me they weren't genuinely elderly really that's what this said they even paid elderly women to act as bait and park areas yeah wow i know well that's kind of a good living because if nothing happens you're like well thanks for my 30 bucks yeah and they're also like well they kill them at home they kill them at home they kill them at home they kill them at home so like the park is the safest fucking place to be right now they were actually scamming the cops they were just like yeah this sounds like a great project no I bet you'll catch them for sure but uh you gotta pay me 50. I swear I saw someone weird yesterday maybe well today is a day definitely in this park and not at home um I need money to buy my waistcoat boy okay okay so a witness reported seeing a lar soon after um one of the murders a witness reported seeing a large woman in a red blouse leaving the home of a murdered woman oh so police start to speculate that the killer could be wearing female clothing as a ploy uh you know and cross-dressing and so the authorities launched a massive roundup of Mexico City's transvestite population guess how that goes badly badly guess how the transvestites are treated in Mexico City horribly poorly so um ultimately 49 of Mexico City's transvestite sex workers are detained and questioned and fucking hassled they suffer through humiliating investigations before being released when their Princeton match any collected from the crime scene two months later police they're just don't know what the fuck's going on they think maybe that person died so they start checking fucking uh fingerprints at the morgue well just because I think he committed they got like a word that he committed suicide uh they like make this insane bust of the like a clay bust of the person's face see if maybe you can find it actually oh like best based on sketches yeah oh I like who he is um then in January 2006 the landlord of 82 year old Ana Maria de lo Reyes Alfaro comes home and finds someone fleeing the landlord finds someone fleeing this woman's home okay he goes and checks on his tenant and he finds Ana Maria dead on the floor and he calls police gives a detailed description of the attacker police get to the scene fucking immediately and they are able to track down the person who's fleeing it turns out that El maraviharis is la maraviharis that means girl dun dun dun boom yes killers actually fuck is a woman little or lady killer is a fucking woman whoa yeah twist a real uh Juana Barraza is 48 and she's a single mother of four she had a close cropped tight like real short dyed blonde hair mole on her face and she looks exactly like this bus there's like photos online of her standing next to the bus and it's creepy as fuck yeah they nailed that the nose is a little off yes uh she looks like the the killer based on witness accounts but she's not a man she's just a masculine woman and they catch her as she's leaving her last victim's house she's carrying a stethoscope uh pension forms and carrying and identify a card identifying her as a social worker oh fuck yeah so her M.O would be that she would knock on the door smile introduce herself as a social worker show her stethoscope and then once she was in in the uh the fucking abuelas are like come on in you know like it's like come in that's it's a lady doctor here to like help you out help you uh once inside though there was little conversation she would strangle her fiction her victim usually with the stethoscope whoa or some kind of cloth that was already there and or stab her um she then ransacked the house and uh when they rate when they raided Juana Barza Barraza's house they discovered her trophy room where she had arranged newspaper clippings about the murders also had objects stolen from the victims and had a shrine to Jesus Malverde and Santa Mierte who were I said that right listen I'm Jewish don't no I can't Santa Meredith sounds like murder or death right Santa Muerte to Saint murder two folk deities often worshiped by Mexican Outlaws oh fuck yeah oh I got the Sante part right good job thank you uh like okay here's the skits bummer time uh like many serial killers Juana Barraza had a endured a like okay here's the skits bummer time uh like many serial killers Juana Barraza had endured a horrific childhood this one's particularly horrific childhood this one's particularly horrific childhood this one's particularly shitty really well something had to have shitty really well something had to have shitty really well something had to have happened for a woman to be a legit happened for a woman to be a legit happened for a woman to be a legit straightforward serial killer not Eileen straightforward serial killer not Eileen straightforward serial killer not Eileen Wuornos like uh I you know my life has Wuornos like uh I you know my life has Wuornos like uh I you know my life has gone astray and I'm living on the on the gone astray and I'm living on the on the gone astray and I'm living on the on the verge or whatever but like shooting a verge or whatever but like shooting a verge or whatever but like shooting a gun and stealing his money and then gun and stealing his money and then gun and stealing his money and then being like oh this is a good way to make being like oh this is a good way to make being like oh this is a good way to make easy money yeah like the idea that she easy money yeah like the idea that she easy money yeah like the idea that she was so classical like straightforward was so classical like straightforward was so classical like straightforward serial killer and like she was serial killer and like she was serial killer and like she was ransacking their house and stealing ransacking their house and stealing ransacking their house and stealing so you could the argument could be that so you could the argument could be that so you could the argument could be that she's a sociopath that wants money right she's a sociopath that wants money right she's a sociopath that wants money right but but wait okay all right so she's but but wait okay all right so she's but but wait okay all right so she's born in 1957 in um Hill doggo a rural born in 1957 in um Hill doggo a rural born in 1957 in um Hill doggo a rural area of Mexico her mother's a crazy area of Mexico her mother's a crazy area of Mexico her mother's a crazy alcoholic she's verbally and physically alcoholic she's verbally and physically alcoholic she's verbally and physically abusive and often trades her daughter abusive and often trades her daughter abusive and often trades her daughter to her drinking buddies for alcohol to her drinking buddies for alcohol to her drinking buddies for alcohol there's no way to like not say that there's no way to like not say that there's no way to like not say that so when she's 12 years old Juana's mom so when she's 12 years old Juana's mom so when she's 12 years old Juana's mom trades her permanently to her drinking trades her permanently to her drinking trades her permanently to her drinking buddy a 62 year old man for three beers Like basically Sends her off with this dude This is like Mary Bell This is how it would happen to Mary Bell When she was little It's just so disgusting and horrifying Dark dark dark So Juana Later gives birth to a son And She has four children total Although And this is another trigger for her Her oldest son died from injuries Sustained in a mugging He was mugged and he died from that Oh no So she eventually Gets away she's a single mother In Mexico City And she had always been obsessed with Lucha Libre Which is the crazy Popular Okay I just am putting this together Are you? Have you heard of this? Yes because people have told me the very shortened version of this In like In the VIP lines And it's the most Fascinating thing Yeah Okay sorry go ahead Yeah so she was obsessed with fucking Mexican Masked professional wrestling And she as an older woman Was like fuck it I'm fucking joining I want to do this And so She calls herself La Dama de la Silencio No La Dama de Silencio The Lady of The Lady of Silence Uh huh Come on Lady of Silence She wears a butterfly mask And hot pink spandex And she could bench press over 200 pounds Yeah Like let's fight Yeah So she's really Let's fight Let's fight She's really into Mexican Masked wrestling So again Yeah It's fucking crazy Yeah Professional wrestling And murder Look over on that side of the podcast wall There's wrestling This is the Look on this side of the Hard Stark April Dream Uh huh Case Yeah That we both are bummed about Yeah So by the time she starts Murdering older women Her own mother was already Dead But she is surprisingly By all accounts A good mother Oh She lived at home with her two youngest kids A boy who's 13 and a girl who's 11 Supports the family through a mix of domestic work Street vending and petty theft But she's apparently a good mom And like kind to her children You know From what I can Well that's a glimmer of Something positive Right So using fingerprint evidence Mexico City prosecutors are able to link Uh Juana Barza to at least Ten of the murders attributed Like period So the only ten Um And She says When she gets caught I only killed the one little old lady The one that she was caught for Not the others Uh Don't pin the others on me And she They were like what's your motive And she said I got angry That's all she said She's like it's just the one I killed Okay But ten of them based on fingerprints are Attributed to her Um And ultimately she's connected to As many as forty killings Whoa So she killed Possibly killed forty little old ladies Ugh Just kept doing it from the late nineties To when she was caught in two thousand and six Um but the first victim she's directly attributed to That we're a hundred percent sure she did Is on November twenty-fifth two thousand and two When she bare-handed beat and strangled A sixty-four year old woman named Marie de la Luz Gonzales Wow So it could she could have killed way more than that Um at this point she goes to trial She's fifty years old Little old lady killer goes on trial In two thousand and eight The evidence Uh Was said that she would cruise public places In search of elderly women on their own She'd follow them home She'd gain their trust Access to their home To help with their shopping bags or whatever Or request a cleaning Uh like can I need a job cleaning your house Or uh whatever And then or she would pretend to be a nurse Or a social worker offering a free check-out Or information about benefits God I know It's fucking dark She's found guilty on sixteen charges of murder And aggravated burglary Um she's sentenced to Seven hundred and fifty-nine years in prison Whoa Just a couple Yeah She ends up like getting married in prison But then divorces And she seems to be kind of happy there Wow Yeah Um and she's only admitted to Ever admitted to the last killing And she says the motive was the Lingering resentment to her own mother's Horrible treatment of her But everyone thinks that she Targeted old women as a way to get back At her fucking crazy awful old alcoholic mother That makes sense Yeah and so got some kind of satisfaction Out of killing these fucking poor women Who but there is an element Like um and I can't remember what one it is specifically But the not copping to it Yeah Like going oh I only did that one When it's proven that you've done the other one Where you kind of It's that thing that always happens to us Where we're taught When you get into the details Of a serial killer's life Yeah It changes it Cause then you're like Oh you never had a chance Yeah It's so sad or whatever But then yes you did have a chance Like that That It was just that Terrible combination of like Whatever was already wrong with you Yeah Bad upbringing or whatever But you know Forty old ladies Like how are you killing an old lady I know I wonder if there's this part of you When you don't admit Like there's so many people that don't admit it Even though the facts are clear And it drives me fucking crazy And I just want you to say you did it And cop to it It's easy Do it But I wonder if there's this part Like with her where it's like I don't want to admit that I'm That I have those That I have that in me Yes I can be a good mother And I can pursue my passion of Fucking Lucha Libre But also I am someone who's so Dysfunctional that I murder old women Like you don't even want to admit it to yourself Yeah Yes exactly Like she's Because there's parts of her life If she was a good mother truly Then she isn't a sociopath Right Which means then she's doing this thing Or that even like She doesn't want to admit that her Her horrible mother affected her so much That caught like That she's taking after That means your mom is still part of you Yes And you want to say I'm controlling you I'm over it I fixed it by being a good mother But no you're still doing this thing And you're having a reaction that You're not just Like your mother for being that way Now you're worse than your mother You're fucking worse I mean yeah You're worse than her It's so sad And like there's so many I know like Like the grandma culture is so You know As someone who had a Culture that the grandma was a huge part of your life And it's I just can't imagine having to Have that With the rest of your life That your grandmother was killed in that awful way Horrible It's so sad It just made me think too of In Mindhunter But remember there was that Killer in Sacramento Who's doing the exact same thing He was attacking old ladies Like on their front porch Yeah And in that They're so upset Like the cops are so upset Yeah By the crime That when they try to get there to say Hey maybe it's There's this reason or whatever Then they're like It's just a monster Yeah Like they can't see Because it's a thing that's like Culturally We've You're No matter what level of asshole you are You're not going to be an asshole Yeah To an old lady Yeah You know what I mean It's like it takes It means a lot It means you're beyond a certain point Yeah What we need to realize is that There are people who are Always going to be way more horrible Than we can ever imagine That there are going to be people who Who are picking the most vulnerable people On purpose Yeah Which is just like Yeah Oh That's so crazy Yeah And then the wrestling element too I know And it's not even like It's just like The fucking media in Mexico City In Mexico Blew the fuck up And loves this story And went crazy about it And the truth is like She wasn't that big And Lucia Libre She just kind of did it a little bit But she was really into it And there are photos of her And there's like an interview with her At like one of the matches And she seems like A lovely normal woman It's so creepy It's crazy Yeah And also Women never I mean the percentage is like One percent Right Yeah Like even if she maybe only killed Those ten people That a woman fucking killed Ten women Yes And not poisoning Not the usual way And not with a gun With a gun It's like a personal fucking attack Of a strange A stranger that you don't know Ugh Ugh I mean there's some deep seated Fucking psychological shit going on there Oh Steven Oh There's a Oh I think on Instagram Steven's been posting Oh shit She has a butterfly mask you guys And a butterfly belt And how fucking Neon pink is that shit Her wearing a butterfly mask Seems especially sinister Uh huh Like some kind of like Cause it She's She is a butterfly She's gone from You know Whatever her actual life is To like Now she's this secret Identity Masked wrestler And she's blooming And coming into her own Fucking In her chrysalis and shit Right I don't know But then there's also like Some amazing gold tiger stripes here Like I can't take my eyes off this picture Go to Instagram Steven will post it My favorite murder It's Let me take this time to fucking plug our fucking social media Good idea Great I sound like a great person That's how we transition out of the darkest Yeah That was uh The El Madavajaras AKA the old lady killer Awesome Yeah God that's dark I know Also just If you lived in a city where old ladies were getting killed Totally How like sinister You'd just be like It's the devil Yeah You're like at least find someone young Please Someone young and irritating Oh my god It's one of those people with the The Young website websites and stuff like a hacker, like a hacker, a young, loud mouth hacker with a computer at the fucking cafe what do you if you built this computer yourself why would you transport it down to the cafe you get one outlet for two hours tops and you can't bring power strips no power strips not fair 100 no unless you're gonna let me use it but you're not you're using all of them in the whole oh yeah you're setting up your printer right doing what is happening you know someone's gonna take a photo of you okay uh let's end it with not depressing things um i really like that story i and i also like the idea that maybe we can set a short-term goal of like within the next five years we can become moderately conversational in spanish okay and steven so that's a half decade steven can um oh you're moderately in math right over right steven can check it uh-huh and then we can eventually build to be like the girls that we hear to having private conversations publicly yeah and then throwing in a like lucky charms great or whatever though yeah we'll just talk about cereal all the time and car washes cereal gossip yeah okay we're back are there updates for this story so first of all i just want to say that in the corner about the fact that i use the term transvestite in this story when i meant transgender so i address that i take full responsibility um in 2023 a documentary called the lady of silence the old lady killer case aired on netflix and it was nominated for best documentary at the aerial awards which is like the oscars but it's put on by the mexican academy of film arts and sciences so that's really cool you guys go check that one out the lady of silence i mean it's no surprise that there's been a documentary this is a scripted show if there ever was one oh yeah and the story is just so horrific and the way she would trick them yes the most evil totally okay well then to counteract that let's get into the good things of the week get into the hyundai getaway sales event and get away with the deal so right it almost feels wrong right now you can get great deals on hyundai's most popular models from hybrids to evs and more score on the adventure ready suvs like the hyundai kona tucson santa fe or palisade or the bold and tech 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we're calling it something else i think we're calling it something like the good thing of the week yeah not catchy no it's not uh this doesn't suck this isn't hey this isn't murder corner no it's also not catchy happy uh happy by the by the performer pharrell that takes too long okay well this one is uh so a bunch of murderinos got together uh it was hosted by i think a woman named sarah norman is a murder you know is the person who put this together but it's a it's a murderino run so just put the word run in murder run no you know what i mean like are you a runner and they did a uh like virtual 5k which means like you have to say you're gonna run a 5k okay you know no one's here to check your work but like do it but do it don't be an asshole and everyone would um raise money for the 5k and they raised they all did it all these fucking murder runnos um they raised over three thousand dollars for the joyful heart foundation and they raised over three thousand dollars for the joyful heart foundation which is uh foundation who whose effort is to end the backlog of untested rape kits in the u.s wow so thirty two hundred dollars that's amazing yeah and they went for runs that's all of that is yeah i mean it just is such a cool a cool organization that i'm i the sub sub group murdering now subgroups are pretty incredible it's really intense did you somebody um at a meet and greet told us that there's one called the complainer where they just go on and they just get to complain and and everybody goes yep you're right and they're they just you can log on and just say something that you're mad about and the idea of that makes me laugh so hard of like just a safe space to go complain get it off your chest and then go back to your life i feel like this podcast is that a little bit that's we're doing that definitely at each other i love it well it's just yeah it's it's nice it's so good what's yours i guess i guess i would say um i feel like mine are always netflix based but we gotta give those recommendations i got look i gotta lay on the couch indefinitely avoiding the rest of my life definitely um i started watching the mind of a chef and it is um anthony bourdain is the narrator but it's about this chef um david chang who is the he has the restaurant mama fuco and mama fuco is it fuku folk no you said it right okay i mean it's the noodle place of new york or maybe other stuff too yeah and it's just a really good it's a cooking show or or like one it's one of those kind of you know how chefs live and what they're what they like or whatever but then he also like shows you how to make things oh cool in a very natural and not like slow way and not he just kind of talks you through it as he's making it yeah in a way that makes me go i bet i could make that and there's one part we were talking about learn to make chicken soup it's the easiest thing in the world then you can give it to someone you love when they're sick it's learn to do it there's no reason you shouldn't learn yeah uh it was just a super enjoyable show but it's been out for a while and it's that same guy is the one who now has the series ugly delicious oh right that's his series okay which is it's basically a continuation it feels to me like a continuation of that old episode so just making you happy in between it's golden state killer yes exactly food shows are the best man they really are and it's that thing of i don't i'm not interested in making it yeah i love to watch i feel like maybe it's because chefs are so different than me yeah like i'd nothing about that appeals to me of like the work it takes no organization the they're like so rigid your schedule on your life and everything you do and the timing of it's so easy to it up like it makes me want to quit just thinking about how hard it would be to make a dinner like that and then at the end of the day it's you have to serve it to a bunch of plebs who might not like it or want to put more salt on it or whatever yes exactly or they might just be there to criticize it so like yeah like they're so all they're about is excellence on just constant excellence yeah it's really impressive yeah but then like so then when you're watching a show like this and then in their personality they're kind of cool and chivalrous and they're chill yeah then you're like oh you're the most fascinating person ever well anthony bourdain is like just the crush he's just like a crushville husband yeah you're just like why are you so cool why are they so cool i don't know it's like they've taken like they've taken it being obsessive and made it work yeah made it make them popular yeah and also good food yeah i don't know i really liked it i like that that's cool that's a good like that's a good like when you're when you need a minute of something beautiful and good and happy yes food's so happy food's really happy it's a celebration and it's also like yeah watching him eat a thing there's a part where they were like in japan and he was trying um they were at this is you know world famous sushi bar or whatever and he's trying these things and uh chef david chang is trying these things and um he loves it so much the food he's being served is made so perfectly and simply that he's like having a nervous problem because he's like i could never do this and it's the most fun thing to watch one person who's excellent at something worship someone who's really excellent at something it's just like that whole world it's just a world i don't understand yeah that i love to watch i'm there with you yeah let's do it yeah um let's go out to dinner more yes let's go to dinner every night every night and don't forget to watch nancy silverton's episode of the chef's table who is a fan of the chef's table famous la um restaurateur and chef she's fucking awesome it's just an amazing like her dedication and the reason her restaurant mozza is so insane is because she cares about every single item yeah i've met her she's fucking cool too really yeah she seems super cool she's just like just a cool lady yeah yeah love it okay we're back we are back okay so this episode was a great one and we're going to be talking about originally entitled figure it out kevin but if we're naming it today there's so many wonderful choices that we could use including melissa your life but can we please call it last white right now like that in is so funny of you calling yourself that no that was pretty good also buckle the fucking which is your shorthand buckle the fuck up pretty great or buckle up but also big never forget i mean there's there's some serious choices yeah there are listen for the choices you know audience when you're listening to these episodes every once in a while you'll hear one of the phrases they'll gling out to you like that sparkly shiny and you'll be like aha right and you'll never get into our heads about why we pick the one we pick because you're like that one was the obvious one it's like well but we didn't pick that because it's all subjective exactly it's what's your special special title right you're subjective too thanks for listening subjectively to this podcast that's right that's this week's episode of the rewind let's say goodbye from 2018 um thanks for listening you guys tell us stuff you know let us know how you are yeah and steven loves to read your emails so write them in communicate with us we like it my favorite writer at gmail and that's it thanks for listening yeah stay sexy and don't get murdered goodbye elvis that sounds like a frog hey everybody here's the thing about other home security systems they're all designed for after after the window breaks after someone's inside after you get the notification after the police come simply safe is the first system designed for before stopping a break-in before it even begins that's right unlike traditional security systems that only alert you after a break in you're not going to be able to break in you're not 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