Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 110: Live at the Palace Theatre in Columbus

This is exactly right. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guild Season 3 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous situation that destroyed two families. It's a scorched earth war that shows just how far someone will go to get what they want. Cindy said I had to choose between the truth and my family, and I had to choose the truth. According to Season 3, a burden of guilt on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Betrayal Weekly is back, with brand new stories, from threatening text messages disturbing a small Midwestern town. It was from an unknown number. Who else is getting these messages? Why did it start with us? To long cons and stolen identities. Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever believed the word she said. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Chelsea Handler from Deer Chelsea. This season we've got some awesome guests ready to dole out advice, guests like Tiffany Haddish. Kind of slide into people's DMs. I like Bumble. Also, girl, farmers only die kind. Stays sales, funerals, options are usually good. There's a lot of good men there. Gross to restores near gyms. Darcy Cardin, Sheri Oteri, Ana Ferris, Dave Franco, Madeline Klein, Adam Scott, T.S. Madison, and more. Listen to Deer Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is the show where we step into the past through our old episodes, and we emerge from the other side with brand new feelings, case updates, and more. And today we're rewinding to episode 110, which we named Live at the Palace Theatre in Columbus. This episode originally came out March 1st, 2018. Alright, let's get into the intro of episode 110. Hey, what about Columbus? Yes, we haven't gotten one wrong yet. We practice and practice backstage. Where are we? How do you pronounce it? Columbus. Wow! What a beautiful theater. Gorgeous theater, gorgeous. We got a fun fact on the way over here about this theater, that it was a Vodville theater, and downstairs in catering, it was where they had the animals come in for Vodville, like all the dogs in the rally, costumes, and shit. So, what's funny is we didn't ask what animals, that's Georgia's cartoon of this theater in 1920. You just wrote it in your head. Poodles and fucking ballet costumes. Poodles show. Poodles show. That's the most famous ballet of all. You know it. It's the Sugar Plum Fairy from the Nutcac. What? Poodles. It was made sure on the animal ramp, just like 100 elephants. It's just like these people are amazing. They got all those camels and elephants and rhinoceros. And my mind, it was puddles, puddles, puddles, puddles, puddles, puddles, puddles, puddles. Welcome to Poodles Time, everybody, thank you so much for coming. You bought special tickets to Poodles Time, we appreciate it. It's the official pre-show of the Puppie Ball. That's right. Who's excited? Talking Puppie Ball. We're going to be going. For the talking Puppie Ball. In your Scriissard Wic, we're all going to come out, talk about what might happen, what happened last year. Yep. Remember when that one drank the water? Fuck. That was the best. Oh. That was the best. You can see it in your mind again, huh? Oh my God. What's the music behind Puppie's drinking water? Oh, well. And well, they're not drinking out of fucking FBI glasses. Oh, shit. Shaw. Right here. Thank you. They stand up and shoot us. Please sit down. You're not in charge right now, FBI. Jesus. Power tripping. Still standing. Still talking. Amazing. That's right. Let me break this shit. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. I know. Is what we meant to say. Wow. Can you hear me breathing in this mic, please, our car? This sound system is insane because it sounds like the voices are coming from behind me. And that's, uh, when you're the one talking, that's kind of upsetting. Well, that's the ghost. Oh, I said a ghost. That's a ghost. That's the ghost of a dead poodle. The voice, the human voice of a ghost of a dead. Oh, why are we talking about that dog? It's fun. That's a bummer. It's funny. Oh, did you know what the show is about? I have bad news for you. Oh, no, I think security really is coming for those FBI agents. Oh, well. Oh, shit. No, no, no, you know what it is. Oh. Someone tweeted this. I was, uh, eavesdropping. On Twitter. You get your own individual usher at this theater to walk you to your seat. Each and every person, I mean, they could have been lying, but Ohio, you got some fucking class. Well, he's like, "We did too." Because no one knows where they're going. They look at, they look at the balcony ticket and they're like, "You're on your own." Figure it out. If you want your own individual usher, you've got to kick down that cheddar. Never said that word before. As money. Never. Cheddar has money. Cheddar has money. Karen? I have to tell you guys something. It's the really upsetting. Karen, try to steal someone's purse the last night. Look. Listen. I had, I needed money for my children. That's how it starts. Caving children. Last night at, you know, meet and greet. These gals walk up, it's just a problem with me. I make a lot of assumptions in my mind and then just go with it. It's a fun way to live but you can be deeply wrong often and these two women walked up and they had clutch purses and they had with, I think, like, sequenced, sewed on our logo onto these two clutch purses. The beautiful clutch purses when they were walking toward, I understand. They were walking towards us like, "Shut up." Like, "Shut up." Oh my God. They did. So I'm all like, "This is amazing and I open it up." Like, why is she giving me this old checkbook? I don't want that. I don't want this shit. Birth control pills, what the fuck? It was really awkward. It was super. When the moment I realized I'm looking into a woman's purse, who I met, three and a half seconds ago, I was all like, "Hah, love in your purse." Like, she handed it to me. I don't know. They're not giving you something and we're like, "Oh, they're gorgeous." So I had to play a role, but they were, but I wanted one. You know? Don't bring two. That's a real, that was a real mind-fuck. Well, she was a lawyer, so I think she's using it in catching people in weird situations. Are you here? No. Oh, lawyer. Oh, you love lawyers. There's one lawyer. Here. Oh, these are people that got off on huge crimes. Yes. Lawyer groupies. You can't prove anything. Immunmissible. I never said shit. Here say. Let's throw up more legal terms. Approach the bench. Approach the bench. Order in the court. I'm just panicking going through every law in order I've ever seen. Argumentative, your honor. Welcome to my favorite brother, everybody. Thank you. That's Karen Kilgera. That's Georgia Hartstruck for all the dads that were dragged along. You don't know what this is. Yes, it's going to get worse. More confusing. More confusing. More inside baseball. Yeah. But you guys get the Super Bowl, so calm down. No, women like that stuff, too, right? Absolutely, everything's fair and even. Huck! - Snacks, snacks, I just love the snacks. (audience laughs) Have you seen that picture online that's the person who made a cold cut Super Bowl with stadiums? - Like the stadiums? - There's just peel off pieces of ham. Off a ham stadium? - I've never seen that. - That person is super chill. - Yeah, person's just chill. - It's just a person who is chill about me. (audience laughs) It's not that big of a deal. - She doesn't or he doesn't tell you where to eat from first or get mad at you. You know, in the corner, why are you eating from the middle? - Try that all of low front door. (laughs) - Is there a friend door to a stadium? - Probably. (audience laughs) - A front of back, two side doors. - Speaking of delicious food and beautiful food. - So we went on our way here. We were in Cleveland, yesterday and on our way today. - Thank you. - Thank you. - We stopped by your incredible vintage shop called Flower Child. - Oh my God. (audience cheers) - Oh my God. - Oh my God. - It was just troubling. And we were like, what do we get for the hometown person to, with the person that comes up to read the hometown and Karen found something magical? Do you wanna, do you wanna tell them about it? - I would love to thank you, Georgia. - This is creative cooking with aluminum foil. (audience laughs) It's a, yes, it's a wonderful recipe book from, I don't know if you looked it up. - My guess is 1972. - I think it was '60 something. - What's your guess? - '69. - Okay, $15,000? - Yep, okay. - That's always our bet. We never do less than that. Can you see? - '67. - Yeah. - Are you closest? - All right, well I win. I win the cookbook. - That's weird. - Oh, you don't want that money? Okay, cool. - Oh, I marked two recipes that are special. One is molded seafood salad. (audience laughs) Like a jello mold. - Where's the aluminum foil come in? - It doesn't matter. You eat it. - You tear it up into tiny pieces. - You make a thing out of it. You scrape your tongue off after you eat it 'cause it's so disgusting. - You actually, you put it on the orange zester. - You use it to make into a key to unlock the handcuffs you've been put in that are force feeding it. - That's it? - I thought you meant unlock the key to the front door of the meat stadium. - The other one. (audience laughs) Also tuna tempties. - Can you just read what's in a tuna temptie? - A quarter pound of American cheese cubed. - Yes. - Right off the fucking bat. - Why don't they, this is before integrations because today, if it was a book like this, it would be a velvita brand T.M. fucking. (audience laughs) - This is, okay, this is my Eleanor Lynch, by the way. - Oh, hell yeah. - I'm a can of tuna. - Great. - Which, the green pepper. You got some greens in there. - Nice. - An onion, a pickle salad dressing. It's all about hamburger or frankfurter buns. Oh, hamburger buns. - I'm sorry, wait, where'd we go? (audience laughs) - I think it's just a tuna melt. And we made a better name now for it. - But that's the kind of thing my mom would make of, she would call it ketchup's ketchup can. And she would just combine everything that was in the pantry. She would be like, you know what we're gonna have? Tuna sandwiches on hot dog buns. Sit down. (audience laughs) It's gonna be so fun. (audience laughs) - No. - No. - No, yeah, no. (audience laughs) - And that's that. - And there's just one final page by the Alzheimer's Association in the back that's like, don't eat anything in this rest of people. (audience laughs) - If you care about your memories. - There's literally a single page marked salads. (audience laughs) - It's pretty great. It's probably my favorite thing. - It's just like, whatever salad you make, go ahead and put some aluminum foil on top of that bowl. Put it in the refrigerator. The fridge air. - The fridge air. - It's the ice box. - Did Steven think you were kidding when you said to put that one slide up that he made? - It didn't matter because he wants the slide. - Okay. - He wanted it up. - So it better be up. 'Cause he made up, he took, I don't know how long, that takes to make this shit. But whatever it is, he's not getting fucking paid for the time. (audience laughs) - We ask him, hey, if there's anything interesting going on in the town we're going to, give us a little fucking email about it. - Because we don't know what's going on half the time. - Anywhere. - Like not even in our own town. - Yes, exactly. - So we're just like any update stuff that we need to know, whatever. And Steven, in his, we called, I started calling it the hot cheat. It's sarcastically. And today is one of the pieces of information about Columbus. - Don't say, I want to show them. - Is connected to, then he goes, maybe you guys want to use this slide. Of course, I immediately respond, fuck yeah. Is it a yes? - Go back one. - Okay. - Vince. - Vince, on it. - Holding it down. - Yeah. - Holding it down for us. - We hear that there's someone here from your town. - That's really special. - And so. - Hey. - Hey. - Look. - Steven! They're mad at you. Welcome to Flavor Town. - People who already live in Flavor Town? - He made it. - We've made it to Flavor Town. - No. - Boom. - I don't know how to, what if I just didn't know how to high five this whole time? - Also, it's, what's very funny is, within the little paragraph, Steven included the factoid that his real name is Guy Fairy. Like a boat. - Yeah. - People are bummed. I'm sorry. There's a bunch of Italian-Americans in the audience who are livid right now. - Yeah. I'm not him in Cleveland, remember? - Oh, yeah. - Remember when you weren't there? Anyway. - Tell it. - I don't know. - It's a good fun anecdote. - So I was on. - Get your hand off your hip and tell these people that story. - Okay. - Hey, yeah. - I was in Cleveland with a fancy food show and he was really nice and he invited myself and my friend Ali, we did cocktails on stage to make a cocktail for his fans. And it was really scary 'cause I'd never been in front of more than like 30 people on a stage in my life. And it was like the size of this room. - Yeah. - Now I don't care. But we did and we brought this cocktail and it was just like Thanksgiving YAM cocktail. And she went to shake the cocktail and the top flew off and YAMs flew all over everyone on stage including Guy Fairy. - Blended up YAMs. - Cocktail YAMs with whiskey. - Shit. And the crowd was mad at us. 'Cause we spilled YAM on their Lord and Savior. (laughing) He was really nice. He never spoke to us again. He was very, he laughed. - Oh, he didn't do some follow-up hangs in the middle. - He didn't want to hang out after that. - It's weird. I thought Hollywood was different than that. (laughing) Do what did he say on stage when things spilled? - He laughed. He was very sweet about it. There's a photo of me in a vintage dress hugging him with YAM all over the place. - He didn't do any hand gestures or anything. - He didn't go like this. - You know. - Bam. Bam? I'm not a fan. I don't know what he said. - It's Kabam. - I don't watch his stuff. I just love him. - It's not really Kabam. - It's Kabam. - It's not Kabam. - I don't know, yeah. - Um, um, baby. Should we sit down? - I guess so. (audience cheering) - I don't, I know it's cold weather business. But like, I just don't, I can't keep my shoe clean. In this cold weather situation. Every time I look down, it looks like I've been going like this on my shoes. - I swear I haven't. - I thought you didn't have shoes on 'cause they look like you have socks on. - But you don't. - I'm just wearing my gym jams. (audience laughing) - Jammies. - Oh, they use the good tablecloth. Thank you so much. - Oh, great. - Oh, yeah. This was not balled up in the back of someone's card. Oh, they were probably like, what, why the fuck did they need a tablecloth? - No one was screaming about a tablecloth. Vince was not saying it was on the writer. Nobody was doing that. - Now, what, and they want a rug? Get the fuck out, we don't even know who you are. - What is a podcast? - Winter is supposed to be a loan on stage. - Jesus. - Everybody knows that live podcasts are made and broken by the oriental rugs that they're done upon. - 100%. - Our worst show is when we were on a Kia rug and a tattoo. (audience laughing) - Oh, those weird patterns, squares and stuff. - So distracting. - Yeah. (drum roll) - Okay, we're back. Karen, do you remember being in Columbus and at the palace theater? - I genuinely remember a lot of that show. - I know what I was wearing. Is that fucking weird? I have a photo of me from that night of what I was wearing. - Yeah, it's not weird for you at all. That's kind of how you file things, right? - Yeah. - I just remember the build, it was just a hit show from the second it started. Like, you felt it just take off. - It was calm. You know what I think really helps with that? Like, I remember being in Columbus that day and looking around and being like, this is such a cool city. I've never been here. Like, who knows if I'll be back here. But I fucking like this place and then going into do the show after having gotten to know the place a little bit. - Yeah. - Is like such a, like, oh, we're just doing this for friends. - Exactly. And that rad vintage door we went to. - Totally. I absolutely remember that. And then like, if you go do things that day, you run into murderinos or who are, you know, you inevitably run into murderinos. So then you've met your friends already. - Yep. - It feels much more casual like hometowny. - Exactly. No, you're looking out and. and that darkness, but you know who you're talking to. - Yeah. - You've already gotten some advanced diplomats from the culture who came to meet me. Said the thrift store or whatever. - Right. - Really quick. Marin looked it up. Flower Child Vintage is still open in Columbus. You can go there. - Hell yeah. - Yeah. - It's in the Italian village. Specializes in 20th century closed furniture housewares in the core. - I think it's the one where I went. I need to get a U-Haul truck. Come here and then just drive back to LA. Fill it up in Columbus because it was like, yeah. It's ridiculous. - Yeah. - It was good. - So much good shit. All right. Should we get into it? - Yeah. It's time to get into Georgia story about Donald Arvy. - I'm Nancy Glass, host of the "Burden of Guild" season three podcast. It started more than seven years ago when Cindy and Kenny were two 40-somethings who had just gotten engaged. Days later, they walked into a scorched earth war they never saw coming. - Turn your hands on your back. - The cops give it to my house and threw me in the jail. - And to Cindy's surprise, her fiance Kenny was charged with abusing one of her children. - I'd never once doubted Kenny and I always doubted the accusation. - On season three of "Burden of Guild," you'll hear a story about the lengths someone will go to in order to get what they want. - This case has got to be one of the most despicable. - Listen to season three of "Burden of Guild" on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - Hi. - Hi. - I go first. - You go first. - Okay. - Okay. - You guys. - Ohio. (crowd cheering) - You guys, are you ready for your angel of death, Donald Harvey? - Oh. (crowd cheering) - Oh shit. - Oh shit, it's right. Okay, April. - Here's the one thing I know about all angels of death. - Yes. - They love a transition lens. (laughing) I was just fucking, they love an 80s man teacher glasses situation for themselves. - Afternoon to evening. - I mean, yeah, exactly. They're like, I might want to step outside the hospital door and have a quick smoke before I go kill nine more people. - But I don't want the trouble of changing my mindset. - I'm not going to change into different glasses. - Yeah, that's my maintenance. - Help me lens crafters, they all say. (crowd laughing) - It's true. God, I don't want to disappoint you. What's the photo? I have a photo of him. - Okay, we'll take a look. - All right. - In April 1987, where's Karen in 1987? - Oh, 87, that's a senior year of high school. So I'm at the bottom of a Mickey's big mouth. (laughing) Trying to explain someone to someone. Probably, I'm trying to explain to my father how the words of Depeche Mode's people are people are actually about him and his racist problems. - Oh. - Don't listen to the words, dad. - Do you hear that? People are people. - People are people, it doesn't matter. And I swear to God, this was a real conversation my dad and I had, and the tape was in the tape deck. And I was crying outside of my dance studio, telling him to listen to the words. And finally, he's just sitting there pretending to listen to the words, and I went to say something and he goes, "I get it, be nice to people." (laughing) - Children. - 87, baby. - 87. All right, well, in 1987 at Drake Hospital, 44-year-old John Powell, he had been in a coma for several months ever since a motorcycle accident. He died from complications of pneumonia. You know, hi, I have a turns out that when you're in a car accident, an autopsy is required. So, you know, that is a good idea. - Yeah. Insurance companies, man. They are fucking on it. In it and on it. - And about it. - And around it, loving it. (laughing) - Okay, so, coroner, Dr. Lee Layman, he's a forensic, yes, he's a forensic psychologist. He has a background in biochemistry, so he's probably a blast to parties. (laughing) He's like, "Guess what this one will do to you. "Take it, zip zap." (laughing) So, he's like, "Great, it's probably getting ready "to go to lunch." He's like, "I'll just do this one real quick. "It'll be fine, and no big deal." But, no, it turns out, he suddenly smells the faint smell of almonds. - Oh shit. - Well, that's right. It's a fucking almond croissant. - No! (laughing) - It's cyanide. And did you know that only 60% of people can smell that cyanide? - Oh, wow. - Is that interesting? So, he hadn't been one of those people. - You know. - I wonder if that's part of being a doctor. - Like you have to. - After you take your boards, then there's the smell test. They never talk about it. - Yeah. - But they make you pay for school and take your boards. - Yeah. - Then they make you smell it. - And then they're like pulling out that croissant. Like, "Let's see if you're gonna be a doctor." (laughing) - Oh, sorry. - Go be a dentist. (laughing) - That's right, I slammed dentists. (laughing) Karen's got a deep seated matriote. - That too. (laughing) Look at these fucking teeth. (laughing) - Okay, so authorities were like, "Oh, shit." And they start looking into John's family, of course. Friends, they all take lie detector tests, and nobody had been giving him cyanide. (laughing) Turns out, or they were a great liar. No. And then they were like, "Well, let's check all the people "who come in contact with him at the hospital, of course." So all the nurses and everyone, they are cleared. And then when it's this dude's Donald Harvey's turn to take a lie detector test, he's fucking sick that day. - Oh. - Oh, red flag. It's 87, so how did he call and sick? - What's up? (laughing) - Top and bottom. - Yeah. (laughing) - The entirety of the phone. Then, so when they questioned him, he was like, "Yeah, I fucking did it." - Immediately? - Yeah. - He doesn't try to lie. He's like, "I did it because I felt bad for him." He was suffering, et cetera, blah, blah, blah. And so police are like, "Okay, great." And, but they didn't know it at the time, but they had just ended the run of one of the most prolific serial killers of all time. - Fuck. - Donald Harvey, the angel of death. - Of all time Columbus. - Yeah, that's. They're like, "We've got a ton of those. Don't worry about it." He's not the only one. So Donald was born, so he's never mind. - What? - Tell me the secret in front of them. - Okay. - Well, he worked in Cincinnati. I just didn't want anyone to be mad at me. (cheering) - Oh shit! She said, "I just didn't want anyone to be mad." (laughing) You can't control them that way. If I don't say the word Cincinnati, everyone will stay happy the whole show. (cheering) They don't even know what they're cheering for. (laughing) - Sianite? - Why do you love Sianite and Cincinnati? (laughing) - Okay, Donald Harvey is born in Butler County, Ohio in 1952. (cheering) You, you, you. - Such a nice county. - Mmm, man in the Tuxedo's there the whole time. He's leading everyone to their seats. (laughing) - In Butler County, everyone has a personal usher all day. (laughing) They're known for it. - Mm-hmm. - He, okay, shortly after his birth, his parents moved to Boonville, Kentucky. Small community. - Yeah, up in the balcony. Boonville, baby. - Yep. (laughing) At six months old, father falls asleep while he's holding him. Clonk hits his fucking head. - Oh. - Dad falls asleep. - Yeah. (laughing) - Exactly. - And at five years old. - Sorry, I could have done it with an actual kid. (laughing) - That's not improv. (laughing) - I do with my hand in a media. We just get real sick. (laughing) - Oh, lost opportunity. - Let's do it over. - Okay. - And then at five years old, he has another fucking head injury. - Just saying, I'm not saying one leads to the other. - He doesn't fit there. Sorry, it doesn't fit there. (laughing) - So his mother, Goldie, and just said he was brought up in a loving family environment. He was a happy child. All his, looks like all his teachers were, buddy, was great, and he had a great childhood. But then it's like, no, actually, he was molested from four years old to 20 years old. - What the fuck? - By two different fucking men. His uncle and his fucking neighbor. - So I think Mom is golden, Goldie over her eyes, more than anything else. - She's doing a little bit of, we had the best time. - By the way, we forgot to tell the rules that this is a true crime comedy podcast. We're not laughing at the, we're, I guess, we're laughing. - It's too late, it's too late. (laughing) - Please butler yourself out if you don't like it. (laughing) - Do you raise your hand? Someone will come grab you. - But also if you were the mother of someone who ends up being one of the most prolific serial killers of all time, you're gonna go into a fucking full denial mode anyway. - Sure, you're probably very good at it. It's no one's fault, it's not my fault. - Certainly not my fault. - Yeah, so, but he was well-liked by all his teachers, but he has, it seems like he was better with adults than with children, you know, me too. (laughing) - He was super smart, but he was bored so he dropped out of high school. In 1970, his mother asked him to take care of his sick grandfather who had been placed in Marymount Hospital in London, Kentucky. And he's like, great, I'm there. - I'd love to be there. - I love it. I think he's like 18 years old this time. Which what 18 year old doesn't want to go? - God, is it some kind of a convalescent hospital? That would be perfect for me. - I'm there. - Absolutely. - That's my summer vacation. He spends a lot of time at the hospital so much that the nuns who work there like love this guy is a sweet baby angel. And so one of the nuns asked Harvey if he wanted to work there as an orderly. And he's like, yes. And then she slapped him across the baby. (laughing) Is that what they do? - Yeah. (laughing) - 800 people just had flashbacks in this audience. (laughing) - 350? - Yeah, there's gotta be. Okay, even though he wasn't trained as a nurse, his duties required him to spend long hours, not long, but a lot of time with patients alone. Some of his duties included changing bedpans and starting catheters and passing out medications. The fun stuff is party time. - Yep. - This is his version of MTV Spring Bridge. (laughing) - That's just fucking stoked. (laughing) - During one evening, just months after he started working at the hospital, Donald commits his first murder. (laughing) - And here he is tonight, ladies and gentlemen, please say hello. (laughing) - Was that death? I think that was actually the Grim Reaper is here tonight. - The Grim Reaper is like, yes, girl. (laughing) - Feel them all, bitch. (laughing) - Slay them all. - Slay them all. - Literally, slay them all. (laughing) - Okay, here's what happens. And tell me how you'd feel about this. - Okay. - Donald goes into this patient's room to do what to check on him. He had had a stroke before. Goes into this patient fucking ribs, feces all over Donald's face. - What? - So, no. - So I don't like that. (laughing) - That's the question you're about to ask me. - He becomes angry, loses all control later. He says, "The next thing I knew, I'd smothered him." - Okay. - He said, "I'd smothered him." It was like it was the last straw, I just lost it. I went to help the man and he wants to rub that in my face. - No, he doesn't want to. - Following the murder. So then Harvey, then he cleans up the patient, takes the shower real quick and then tells the nurses that the guy was dead and no one ever questioned it. He said, "Just three weeks, that's his first murder. Just three weeks later, he kills again when he disconnected an oxygen tank to an elderly woman's oxygen." Where do they call it? When no one suspected him, he starts to get more brazen. He uses various techniques to kill. He uses a plastic bag to suffocate patients, morphine and variety of other drug overdoses. In the first year, he kills more than a dozen patients. Yeah, they want to see a picture of him. - She's asking me. - Doesn't he look like a fucking Brady? - That's what it might. - No, the middle one. It's Greg. - Peter? - Peter. - He's the Brady they keep in the sub-basement. - Look at how bright and cheery his eyes look. - What is he thinking about? - Feses. - Jesus. - Can you imagine being in a bed in a hospital and then those eyes come into you? - Do you need some juice? - Yeah, I'm feeling better. He just popped out of bed and you're wrong. Oh, the fever's broken. - Yeah. - Bye. - Okay. God damn. - Okay. - A dozen patients in a year. Okay, around this time, he starts a relationship. He's, so he's gay. He starts a relationship with a man named Vernon Midden. He is an older man. He's married with children and he's an undertaker. Oh my God. Check, check, check. (audience laughing) Little bit, little bit hacky. How old am I older? - I think he was in his 40s. - Oh, okay. So he tells him about all these different ways to kill people and things that will affect, you know, so he learns a lot from the sender-taker. He also learns about. - We gotta talk about something at all of Garden, you know? (audience laughing) - He also introduces Donald to his favorite pastime, Vernon's favorite pastime, the occult. - Oh. - You know. Mine too. - I think we have, I think this is him. - Think of a picture of the occult right here. (audience laughing) I don't know. I watched this like hokey documentary on YouTube about it and I had to stop it and take a screen grab of this amazing photo because I was like, either way. And then there was also like, it was one of those, it was one of those documentaries that like they say align dramatically and then they show like some stock footage of like, you know, and then they went to the police and you just see like a car driving that it means to go to the police. But then I'm like, and he was into the occult and it just shows like a pentagram with the word occult across the front. - Yes. - We're like, occult, and it's like, okay. And then this. - Oh, that's the occult. - That came up and so I was like, well, they need to see this. - So this is, you think it could possibly be the undertaker like on the weekend. That's what they, that's what they made it seem like. - This is him just on like on the fun. Let's all go out. Hold on, let me put it on my upside down crucifix. - Yeah. - Real quick. - Or it's a, they went and had a Rocky Horror picture show live. (laughing) - All right. Well, so, okay. He gets, so then, oh, he gets a, he gets a spiritual guide when he joins the occult as well. And he gets a spiritual guide named Duncan, who was a doctor in his past life, a ghost, I guess. That would assist him with figuring out who to kill. - What? - Just like, that's not real. - So he joins the occult, T.M. (laughing) to see in a circle. And immediately is like, I love killing and I kill. And then they're like, here's great ways to do it. - No, I, it's his like, it's his like ghost guide. - Oh, oh, okay, it's in his head. - It's in his fucking head. - Sorry, I pictured at the occult meeting, sitting in a circle and folding chairs. - Duncan, you've got to meet our friend over here, Donald. - Does anybody have ideas about new ways to kill? (laughing) - Yeah, so he gets, Donald gets caught burglarizing when he's drunk one night, which I'm sure is like the worst way to burglarize is when you're drunk. - Yeah, right? - Into a house? - I think, like, I don't know, into an apartment building. - No, save drunk burglarizing for just shoplifting at CVS. - Yeah. - That's, we pick CVS up and then we put them back down. - That's right, right in their place. So he gets caught, you know, he has to leave his job because of it, it's a story. - And he enlists in the Air Force. - Serbs. - Perfect solution. (laughing) - They called Air Force. - Serbs less than a year before he's discharged in March of 1972, after he's released, he has a severe bout of depression, which he does throughout his life. He attempts suicide. And in 1970s, he commits himself to the mental ward of the Veterans Administration in Lexington, Kentucky. (cheering) You guys are on the mental ward, too? - Right. - They're on a holiday class. - While they're, he receives, over the course of a few weeks, received over 21 electric shock therapies. - I really hate those parts of like, old mental hospital movies when they're like, they're laid down and someone's holding a hood. - Right up until, it's the fucking worst. - Okay. (laughing) After working, just think about it for it. (laughing) After working various jobs where he didn't kill anyone, that's where I sum that up because I was like, he worked all this time. And blah, blah, blah, just he didn't kill anyone. - Yeah. - At this job. - He moves back to Cincinnati in September, 1975, where he gets a job working in night shift at the Cincinnati VA Medical Hospital. He works as a, (laughing) at hospital, you're against, isn't haunted? (laughing) 'Cause you know some bad shit's about to go down. He works as a nursing assistant, housekeeping aid, cardiac catheterization technician, and autopsy assistant. Get in there, buddy. (laughing) Since he worked at night, he had no supervision. He had access to all areas of the hospital, which sounds horrible. - So, if you work in a daytime, you have to have a certain kind of pass, you have to be a doctor to be on certain wards. And then after 11 all those roles just go away. And it's just like whoever wants to be here gets to be here. Do your thing, free for all. - Yeah. - Over the next 10 years, Donald Harvey murders at least 15 patients while working at the hospital. He keeps a precisely diary of his crimes, takes an inch on each victim, detailing how he murdered them. He presses plastic bags and a wet towel over the mouth and nose. He sprinkles rat poison and patient's desserts. He puts arsenic and cyanide in orange juice. He injects cyanide intraintervenous tubes. And all the while, he's studying medical journals for hints on how to kill people and how to conceal his crimes. - And here's how he studies. (laughing) Laser eyes, burning each page. (laughing) But at this point, he doesn't just keep his murderous stuff to his patients. He, in the early 80s, he moves in with his lever, Karl Haller. And soon, so he finds out Karl's going out on Sundays and like hooking up with dudes and he gets pissed. So Karl starts getting sick on Sundays and can't go out. - Oh. - Oh my God. The old Sunday flu? Yeah. After you have your croissant. And then you're like, I feel weird. Because Donald starts slipping him small doses of arsenic so that he wouldn't be able to leave the apartment. Then, Carl has a female-- the boyfriend, Carl, has a female BFF. And Donald, of course, is like, she's getting in the way-- I have a relation with you. That's right. The crazy. The old hag comes in and is like, can I see that croissant, please? Carl, your boyfriend seems like a psychotic murderer. Yeah. And the psychotic murder is like, I'm going to kill this bitch. Right? So he-- OK, this is so fucked up. She isn't killer, but he retaliates the way any sane person would by infecting her with hepatitis. Whoa. Uh-huh. This guy is not chill. He's not. They catch it and treat her. He also tried to infect her with AIDS, but it didn't work. She's a screw. What are the fucking fuck? What? They're just going to the beer bust. It's not that big of a deal. Let them party. Another neighbor who Donald thought was getting in between him and Carl was Helen Mechsker. She's a 63-year-old woman. Donald makes her a pie, laced with arsenic. She's a guy. She dies. So he's just basically trying to kill everyone all the time. OK. In April 1983, Donald has an argument with Carl's parents, his boyfriend's parents. So they piss him off. So he starts to poison their food with arsenic. Carl's father, Henry, suffers a stroke, is taking to the hospital. Donald visits him, puts arsenic in his pudding, and he dies that fucking knife. Jesus Christ. Harry, we continue to poison Carl's mother, Margaret, on and not for the next year, but he didn't kill her. Then, poor Carl, and then he accidentally kills Carl's brother-in-law. What? Because his name's Howard Vetter. Donald made home some cocktails using a bottle of vodka that Donald, oops, forgot, had wood alcohol in it. So he'd been like taking tape off of something, I don't know, in a vodka bottle. And it was like, let me mix you up, but whatever. Is he claiming it's truly a mistake? He says it is. But do we-- is this the person we believe? I don't know. But he says it like, it was a mistake. His death is a tribute to cardiac failure. So in January 19th, what-- It's just so many people to die around one person. I know. Even if it was like the best sex of your life, you'd be like, I'm so-- I have to take a break. Like, I just have to run the numbers and see. Yeah. Since it's just you and I left, and I know that I'm not killing everybody. It's just a hunch I should break up with you. And he's like, every time you pull out your creed of cooking with lemon and foil recipes, someone gets sick. Someone dies. OK. So in 1984, in January, Carl breaks off the relationship and asks him to move out. Donald's angry. He spends the next two years trying to kill Carl. Jesus, that he doesn't. And then on July 18th, 1985, security guards searched Donald's gym bag at work. They find a 38 caliber pistol, hypodermic needles. Surgical scissors, single abs, a cocaine spoon. Various medical texts. Joe would call books in a biography of serial killers-- serial killer Charles Sobrej. Sobrej? He's the bikini killer. You know how? No. Of course, I had a fucking look him up. Say to him on a feature episode. I'm in my paper, but I just spit on you. Oh, you're taking the bikini killer? I wanted him. So it's basically, they open a bag and there's a piece of paper that says, I'm super guilty inside. All I want to do is continue to kill people. I just-- I can't stop killing. I'm doing it as we speak. And I enjoy it. Come, get me. So the hospital's like, look, just if you quietly resign, we won't put a mark on your record. We'll like, won't tell anyone at the place you want to get a job in the future. We want you to continue doing this. Just not here. Wow. So he quietly resigns rather than being fired. Nothing about the incident is ever noted as work record. And hospital authorities didn't open an investigation to determine if he had committed any other crimes while working at the hospital. Oh, it turns out his mom ran that hospital. So seven months later, in February 1986, Donald was hired as a nurse's aide at Cincinnati's Drake Memorial Hospital from-- You guys hate that stuff. No one gives a shit. That's where Cincinnati drops out hard. No way are we supporting Drake. What about the singer Drake? Mm-hmm. It's up to Grassy. That's the only way I know him. And you can't not know that. And then there was an Instagram picture where he piled up money, where I was like, that's not that cool. What? Don't tell him I said that. Please, Steven. You know this is his favorite podcast. Drake is crying at home alone in a bed of money. I'm trying so hard to get away from the grassy $1,000 bill, $1,000 bill. I had an infection. I had an infection. No one touches $1,000 bills. Oh, and when you're that rich, it's all brand new money. It's brand new money. OK. Sometimes you go down and you exchange it at the men. Just if you feel like it. OK. Yeah. Good. OK. Done with that. OK. From April 1986 until March 27, Donald Kills, 26 patients. It's so many. And tries to kill several more by-- let me tell you-- I'm going to keep name and name. Please do. Disconnecting life-sport machines, injecting air into veins, which is like the scary-- I hate that one so much. That's a bad one. Whew. Suffocation and injection of arsenic, cyanide, and petroleum-based, based cleansers. Say that one again? No. Is Mace-involved-based, petroleum-based, cleansers? I don't know what that is. Nutrogena? What's wrong? I don't know. I was talking in case today. I don't know what it is. Let me pick that one up. But can you kill her? Yes. They're like, do not use noxema. It will fucking kill your face. Back to-- OK, we're back to the beginning of this awful story of 1987, April. Donald's like, yeah, killed that one motorcycle accident in victim because I felt bad for him. That's it. And so that same day, though, he had-- Oh, but PS, that same day, he had also killed 82-year-old woman Hilda let leads by feeding her detachol-- Oh, with detachol? Detachol. Detachol. Detachol. There she is. Through her gastric tube and in her orange juice. So he had killed two fucking people that day. Wow. And he was like, no, I just killed that one guy because I felt bad for him. Then investigators were like, great, we're going to go look three or apartment. They find like 300 pounds of cyanide arsenic. Made that number up, but it was a lot. They find-- so jars of-- because he was just bringing it from home. He didn't even need to steal it anymore from the fucking-- he's got that Tupperware lunchbox. It's got all the different little size containers. Our snakes in the circular one. No, that's salad dressing. And it's not deadly at all. They find that. They find books on the occult and poisons. The detailed account of the murders. Love that. Don't do that, dude. What you get written in a diary. So they come back and they're like, look, listen. We look and listen. Something's up, bro. And Ohio has the motherfucking death penalty. So you better start pleading. And he's like, OK, that's transcript. On August 11, 1987, Harvey used 35. He sits down with investigators and confessed to committing 33 murders over the past 17 years. Fuck. At the days go on, though, that number eventually grows to 70. What? What? He just up in Chickatilo territory. It's crazy. He said that the reason he got away with it for 17 years was that the doctors, that doctors are overworked and sometimes don't even see the patients after they die. So he's also kind of blaming it on the hospitals for not checking up on him. And it's so weird. And then you read-- there's like a list of every single person he killed. And some of them are like, he says he's an angel of death, and he's trying to help them. And they're sick and dying, and he wants to save them. And some of them, you can see that they were actually sick and dying. That doesn't mean he was trying to help them. Well, most of them were not. And he's a monster. They're like, I just had a nice eye lift. I was going to go live my life, totally. Well, the one of his ex-boyfriends have said to him, when I'm-- if I get sick and I'm dying, put me out of my misery. And he's like, on it. Yeah. He's like, I already am. And you want your loved one to argue. No, I would never. But he's like, great, I'll do it. You're like, oh, shit. Do you want air in your tube? Do you want really rotten tea? By 1998, he had been convicted of 20 counts of murder and seven counts of attempted murder, total eventually that he would convicted. I was 36 murders. 35 men, 11 women, ranging in age from 42 to 91. Plus one conviction for intentional manslaughter. He claimed to have killed 87 people. And there's probably a lot that we'll never know, obviously. So up until he was serving, he got four life sentences. Just four? Uh-huh. Okay. He's serving them what's up. Then back on in March of this year. He's still alive? Uh-huh. That was like in the '90s, '88, '98. Okay. Back in March of 2017, a couple, what's up? Yeah. He's 64 years old. He's found beaten in his cell at Toledo Collectural Institute in Toledo, Ohio. [LAUGHTER] Shit Toledo? He and he dies from his injuries two days later. Wow. No assailant is ever identified. And that is your fucking, um, what's it called? Angel of Death, Donald Harvey. Wow. [APPLAUSE] Heavy. When they interview the prisoners that beat him to death, they were like, no, no, we were just putting him out of his misery. Oh. He was very sickly. It's really weird, because in the documentary I did watch, like, he willingly-- he's just clearly so-- I don't know. It's something he, like, is interviewed for this documentary. And he was like, yeah, I'll tell you everything. Like, he really wants the attention. Yeah. And he cuts her out. Every time you get in trouble in the past, he'd be like, yeah, I killed a bunch of people. And he was like, he wanted to tell people and he wanted attention for it so badly. And he was like, I made this big mistake. If I hadn't done this thing, it'd have been fine. He's just like so weirdly lighthearted about it. Yeah. It's creepy as fuck. It's crazy. And it looks like a Brady the whole time. Well, that was amazing. Right. Fuck. Wow. Yeah, thank you. [APPLAUSE] OK, we're back. Are there updates for this? There is an update. In May of 2019, the fellow inmate James Elliott, who was serving time for a series of burglaries, was charged in Harvey's fatal prison beating at Toledo Correctional Institution. It's so wild. Go from burglaries to murder. Like, you've got to wonder what happened. Elliott had reportedly sent letters to the blade saying he punched and stomped Harvey when they were in his cell. And so in September 2019, Elliott pleaded guilty to killing Harvey and was sentenced to life in prison. Wow. All right, this is a great example of how it's great to do the horrible story first and then the next story. Take that left turn. Yeah, close on a good story, because we're about to get into one of the all-time greats. Karen's story about the Circleville letter writer. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the "Burden of Guild" season 3 podcast. Turn around and place your hands behind your back. The cops give it to my house and threw me in jail. And to Cindy's surprise, her fiance Kenny was charged with abusing one of her children. I'd never once doubted Kenny and I always doubted the accusation. On season three of "Burden of Guild," you'll hear a story about the length someone will go to in order to get what they want. This case has got to be one of the most despicable. Listen to season three of "Burden of Guild" on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Betrayal Weekly is back with brand new stories from threatening text messages disturbing a small Midwestern town. New voices, each with the courage to tell their own story. He said, "I have been kidnapped." Okay, just try not to know more. He was essentially on the run. Every family has secrets. The rug had been pulled from underneath me. Oh, my God. It was right in front of my face and I didn't even see it. It's Chelsea Handler from "Dear Chelsea." This season, we've got some awesome guests ready to dole out advice, guests like Tiffany Haddish, kind of slide into people's DMs. I like Bumble. Also, girl farmers only die kind. Like estate sales, funerals, options, are usually good. There's a lot of good men near grocery stores, near gyms. Darcy Carden. I remember being like, "I know this is good advice, but I really don't want to do that." So you didn't take her advice? I didn't take her advice. Are you still friends with that woman? No. She actually was kind of toxic. Neil deGrasse Tyson. I spent my whole life looking up. I was a geek kid. I had a telescope at age 12. And so-- So you didn't have sex for a long time? [LAUGHTER] Sherry O'Terry. Were you a soap opera person? Young and restless. OK. Well, first of all, you should know it's the young and the restless. I can't even believe you're mispronouncing the title. Some of us abbreviated it because we've been-- [LAUGHTER] --some of the years. T.S. Madison. Are you a tapali? No. No, I don't think so. No. I could have told you. No, I'm not. Girl, why are you not a tapali? Just based on what she's wearing and the way her hair is styled. She was not a tapali. Her trap poly. On a ferris, Dave Franco, Madeline Klein, Hannah Gadsby, Adam Scott, Juan de Sykes, and more. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to do the Circleville Letterwriter. [CHEERING] Do you know this one? You don't know it? Is it the one with the-- You know what? You should tell it to me. OK. I know, I know. You guessed it, for as long as you can. OK. I'm always at the Circleville Letterwriter? Yes! Oh, my god! Yes! No, that one. No, I know. Oh, my god, oh, my god. OK. Here's the best part about this is one. So I thought for a one day that I was going to do the horrible murder of Don Bagdarel from Pantera and Damage Plan. And when I started reading this fucking story, it was so awful. And then I emailed my friend, Brian Posain, who's a stand-up comic, hilarious stand-up comic. Don't you see friends with them? Huge metal fan, no. But I've known him since I was 20. And he's the hugeest metal fan in the world. So I was like, hey, got me any insider tips on Don Bagdarel's death before I knew anything about it. And he wrote me back one of the saddest emails that I've ever read, where he was just like, it was so fucked. It affected the metal community so badly. All of my friends that are in metal bands think about it before every time they go on stage. We always do a cheers to him once a year on the anniversary of his dad. And I was like, lightly crying in my hotel room. I'm like, I have to change my murder. And he's like, but thanks for bringing that up. Yeah, exactly. But it was also very sweet, because he was like, I was like, thank you for that insider information. He's like, I just want regular people to know that like metal fans aren't gross, and we really have feelings in care. It was the sweetest. And yet saddest thing in the world, I know I love it. So the circle of the letter writer, so fascinating, and luckily and amazingly, there is a Dennis Farina hosted on solve the murder, and solved mysteries about it. And it's the first one on that episode. So you know it's a good story. I don't think I know it then, because I think the one I was thinking is newer. OK, so let's do this. OK, let's do this thing. So the way I found it was then I had to go after I abandoned the Pantera murder. That's the-- see, that's inaccurate. He was in damage plan. Do you see how much I could fuck that up? I went online, and they actually found an article that entitled "The Mysterious and Unsolved," "Five Columbus Mysteries, Worthy of a Bodcast." Oh! Shit! You couldn't have sent that my way? I know. No, I took them all to myself. You took them all right now. I'm mine. It was written by a guy named Zoe Miller and his bio-- and his-- do you know that guy? It's a great article. Please tell him I liked it. Oh, can I give a shout out really quickly to my article? Yes, yes, you may. No, it's OK. Get in there. Stephen, could you cut this and paste it up top? I'm really excited to tell you guys about this. I found a lot of information from murder, media, of course, but from the article from serial killer calendar.com. So thanks, guys. Serial killer calendar. I wonder if they do a serial killer a day. I don't know. That would be cool. OK, now we're back in. So Stephen, right here. Zoe Miller on his bio on this-- the Columbus Navigator website, who he wrote this article for. He said, in his bio, he says, "These struggles daily with his addiction to cats." I thought you'd like to know that. Yeah, hi. I did too. Hi, friend. Oh, man. But most of the information that we're about to hear came from a local journalist named Martin Yet, who reported on this story. The Yet, turned the back row? What up? [BLANK_AUDIO] the work and was kind of there for this whole story and he's also live in the unsolved mysteries. So it's very cool. So you can see him as talking head when you look up that episode. Okay so Circleville, Ohio is a small city 25 miles south of here. Thank you. The population is around, well I got on the the Circleville Pumpkin Show website. Truly one of the most beautiful and informative websites I've ever seen. No joke. So every year they have the Circleville Pumpkin Show. Oh! I love Pumpkin! So on the Circleville Pumpkin Show website it says there the population of Circleville is around 12,000. Other websites said 14. If Circleville says 12 it's fucking 12. So every year the third one stay through Sunday at October they have the Circleville Pumpkin Show. Yes, cheer for it every time. This year it's from October 17th to the 20th. So as of today, 256 days for the Pumpkin Show! It's a countdown. There's a countdown on the website. Love it. Fucking love it. Just beautifully designed website. Everything's in a little square. So easy to navigate. The Fall Festival has 100,000 visitors a day. I want all the snacks. What do you think they have? Okay I'll tell you there's pictures on the fucking website. Are there corn dogs? Of course they have corn dogs. Is there pumpkin flavored food? Yes! That's the whole point. Oh, it's like pumpkin? Like a pumpkin bear? Yes! Girl, this is squad gourd's times five hundred. It's right. That's where they have pumpkin, fuck, and arcs and crash. There's a really cute picture of somebody. Remember those like weird collages you made like in kindergarten or it's like little piece of paper in different colors and you'd glue it to a thing and because you were so young that was how you made art. So it was like your teacher made the pumpkin and then you're just like pieces of paper with glue. They have like a wall of those on the website. It's all made by adults. Those are arts and crafts for drunk adults. It would be so good. Everyone has glue on their face. There's rides. Cool. Full on rides. Cool. There's, as I said, arts and crafts displays and then, of course, one lucky young lady will be named Miss Pumpkin Show 2018. Which if that is a beauty contest where you're the most beautiful, if you're the most shaped like a pumpkin, I want it already. I already, I'm in it. And if you have like kind of widely spaced teeth, I'm in. Fuckin, I am Miss Pumpkin Show every day. And on top of everything, there's a fucking giant pumpkin contest. Am I right? Oh my god. Oh my god. Check it out. Here's last year's winners. In the center you have Cecil Weston. He's the champion. That fucking pumpkin weighed 1,701 pounds. Oh my god. Cecil nailed that shit. What do you think he was putting in the ground? But then second place, that's Bella Liggett. Bella. Hers. She was only 200 pounds behind with a 1,5162 pound. Pumpkin, then of course, over there, you know Mark Hawthines. Pumpkin was 1,155.5 pounds. Oh shit. Yeah. You got to love the fucking lady who breaks into the Pumpkin business. Oh you know. Everyone knows what a fucking masculine thing it is. It's the pumpkin show business. It's Mary Toxic. Oh. And Bella's like, fuck it. This is my dream. Yeah. You can't keep me down. Yeah. My pumpkin is humongous. And none of you can change it. It's just a fact. You cannot shame me out of this contest. No. And then it turned out that she was her scandal. Yeah. She tried to, she tried to hit Cecil in the knees. No, I'm just kidding. She fucking tawn your hearting Cecil right before. And then someone's like, Bella, it's the pumpkins that get weighed. It's not about, it's not about his skating. Wow. That was a roller coaster. Fuck. Yeah, roller coasters. They have roller coasters and the zipper and it's right there on the street. It's just crazy. So you could like live here. And then there's just like a fucking Ferris real and fear front yard. Did you just say Ferris real? A Ferris real. That's my, my dentures are just kicking in right now. So Circleville is famous for the pumpkin show. Okay. I love that they call it a show and not a contest or a festival. Hey, I'm sorry. I don't know. Get out. Get out of my slideshow. Sorry. It's okay. Um, I have to control everything. What didn't you like about the pumpkin still being there? I wanted to look at it. Oh, you're trying to keep yourself from turning all the way around. I don't even know what you said after. Let's just look at them one last time. How did they get them there? Where are they from? Are any of these people sponsored by like the people that grow fake foods? That's a huge accusation, Karen. What? You're talking about what's, what is it called when they take steroids? Yeah, like when food takes steroids. No, when people take steroids. You just handle what? Juicing. Thank you. We look over and it's this woman of the huge muscles in the front. I know the answer. It's called juicing. Gun show. Gun show. Do you like that I screamed what into a crowd? What did you say? That's what happened last night. We started talking about one city that we're afraid to say because we're going to mispronounce it. And the entire audience just immediately started yelling out names of cities they thought we couldn't pronounce. It was the weirdest thing and so fucking hilarious. We're like, first of all, we can't understand what anyone is saying. And then one girl raised her hand. Real polite. Yeah. And said Koya Hoga, which was like, fuck you. I gotta say that. It was it was chili coffee. Yeah. What are they? Who spilled that initially? The fuck. Okay. I was going to call it chelicote. Luckily I didn't. So, okay, Circoville is famous for its pumpkins. Look at them. No. Look at them. They're larger than anything you've ever seen. I guess because I was raised because I did forage as a child and we would go to the fair, right? Then you go to the fair every summer. You go to the county fair. We live at the fair for a week. And you fucking walk around as like, well, because it was the 70s, so you'd be like a seven-year-old walking around the fair alone. Like, oh, look, a pumpkin display. I guess I'll look at this for a half an hour. Who, me? Where's my mother? Just not around. Okay. Back of the RV. She said, please don't bother her until dusk. Again, pumpkinshow.com for any of your pumpkin needs. So, Circoville is famous for the pumpkin show, but it's also famous for one of the weirdest unsolved mysteries on the globe. I put that. I don't know if it's true. Well, I guess you got to decide that. I don't know if it's true to you or not. I get to decide in this moment. Right? Second only to crop circles. Yep. Haven't solved those yet. No. It's the, okay, so this is so amazing. So in 1977, why did I skip to this next page? I mean, there's so much information on this one. Oh, I put, I put parentheses, Paul Winfield in this sleepy burgo. Circoville. Oh, huh. Then the citizens begin getting letters in the mail. They're all the letters are written in block print. They all are from an anonymous source. There's no return address on any of them. They all have the postmark from Columbus or most of them do later on. They, that changes a little bit, but and they all contain personal information about the recipient, sometimes that only the recipient knows. So Mary Gillespie, as you remember, is a citizen, a school bus driver, a wife, a mother of two. And she receives some places to say it's the first letter, but it sounds like they all went out the same time. And people reading these letters got so weirded out and sometimes scared. They weren't saying anything because basically, and I think what's to me amazing about this story is it's kind of like, it's like people using gossip as the ultimate weapon. You know what I mean? It's like all this, it's the thing that you fear. Like what do you fear most? God bless you. What do you fear? Mine is the plague. I fear that the most. Yeah, but that guy was covered. That sounds like he used his whole arm and his leg to cut. -We really appreciate that, sir. -Thank you, sir. -Or me, um, if you're very sick. -Oh, I said, what if she. -You could be very sick. [ Laughter ] I kept thinking about it as I was writing this up of like, "What would you, if you opened a letter that said, "I know that you, Blankety, Blank, Blank, Blank," uh, whatever, and you're reading it in block. Weird block handwriting, just starting to sweat, and you just fold it up and put it away. Like, "Okay, we'll see where this goes." Like, that's what was happening in the town of Circleville. It's town of 1,200 people at the time, 11,000 -- I mean, 1,000, 1,000 people, but still tiny, right? Everybody knows everybody's business. -Yeah. -Everybody knows each other. So, it's such a, like, it's such a, like, live, live ammo thing that's happening. -Yeah. -So, it's so threatening, too. It's 'cause, like, "I don't just know this. I'm, like, letting you know, but I know." -And I want to do something about it. -Oh, huh. -So, that's part of it. So, um, she gets her letter, and, uh, inside it says, so it's in block writing, and I have it here. It says, "Stay away from messy. Don't lie one question about knowing him. I know where you live. I've been observing your house, and know you have children." -Oh. -This is no joke. Please take it serious, bad grammar. Everyone concerned has been notified, and everything will be over soon. Horrifying, terrifying, so scary, scared. Tell me your worst secret right now. I don't have any. -You know, I don't have any. -Really? 'Cause here is your limit. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. So, the messy that is being spoken of, um, at the top of this, is superintendant of schools. Um, messy, uh, Renee? I don't know. It's first name. Um, it's superintendant of schools. So, it's a good thing you went to that business. It's all one superintendant of schools. That's a nice landing name. Massey. Uh, I couldn't find-- it's kind of-- I actually, it made me kind of happy, 'cause I couldn't find pictures of Mary Glaspy. I couldn't find pictures of the superintendant of schools, Massey. But I did find this, um, I swear to God, this is a real book cover on Amazon. Oh, my God. This guy, Merrill Massey, wrote a book, uh, entitled, "So you want to be a superintendant of schools." Oh, my God. Why don't we all have books if it's this easy? We can. If you know Photoshop, you can. So-- Oh, my God. I'm not saying Merrill had anything to do with this. We don't know. Merrill? Merrill? Merrill. Right? Who knows? Well, let's ask him. Come on out. [LAUGHTER] He's up in the balcony. Red cheeks. Oh, shit. Not this again. He keeps sneezing into his arm. [LAUGHTER] He's allergic to secrets. OK. So, of course, she's nervous about the letter, but she doesn't say anything. She just puts it away. And then she gets another one. And she's just, like, trying to handle it, trying to become. So then, the next letter that the family receives goes to her husband, Ron. And it's the same block lettering, same basic info. And I'm not sure if it's because it's such a small town. But in that first letter on the envelope, it just said Mary Gillespie, RT, Circlesville, Circleville, Ohio-- sorry. Circleville, Ohio. Because you know who's going to be like-- No address, no zip code. So now, man's like, yeah, I know who this is. We know her, yeah. She lives over there, yeah. Which is great for secrets, you know what I mean? So his letter is exactly the same. And he base-- and the first letter basically says, put an end to your wife's affair or die. So it's like directly threatening his life. Oh, my God. So he confronts Mary. And then she shows him her letters. She says she swears there's no affair happening. So they try to go, OK, well, there's some things weird happening. But let's just deal with it and go on with their lives. Then Ron gets a second letter. And it says-- I'm not sure if I have this one or not-- it says Gillespie. You have had two weeks and done nothing. Admit the truth and form a school board. If not, I will broadcast it on C.B.'s, on posters, signs, and billboards until the truth comes out with-- Oh. Oh. Stephen. There are some people who thought, because of the block lettering, that he said, I will broadcast it on C.B.'s. But there is no way for a letter writer from Circleville, Ohio, to get this information onto the network. In 1977, there were much more of all in the family type of situation. So they believe that the writer met C.B.'s, OK, anyway. So that Ron and Mary are fucking panicking, right? This is getting very serious. So they invite Ron's sister and her husband, Paul for a shower, to come over. And they show them letters. And they try to make a plan. They think they know who sent the letters. And so what they decide to do is the glass we should send a threatening letter back to that person. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah? That's right, pumpkin justice. Get ready for it. Well, it seems like it works, because everything goes quiet for a couple of weeks. And then on the night of August 19, 1977, the phone rings at the Glaspy's house. And Ron answers. And he gets into a fight with someone on the phone. So Mary doesn't know exactly what happened, because she didn't hear anything exactly. But he basically slammed down the phone and rushed out of the house, grabbed his handgun on the way, got into his truck and raced off, and almost immediately, like moments away from their house ran into a tree and was killed. Yeah. So when the sheriff inspects the scene, they find the handgun that he brought with him. And some articles, they argue this point, but some say that between the house and the car accident that was moments later, the handgun was fired once. But nobody heard the gunshots. There was no proof that the bullet landed anywhere that anyone could find. And there's some articles that say there's no way to prove that that handgun didn't get fired some time before. But at first, that's what they thought. So the sheriff inspects the scene and he declares that the foul play is probably involved from what they're looking at. But then the sheriff suddenly changes his stance and says that Ron's blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit, 0.16. Therefore, it was an accidental death that basically he caused himself. But the family and friends of Ron Gillespie are just like, he didn't drink. He was not a big drinker. Oh, really? And he wasn't drunk. Like the kids are saying they remember him leaving the house. He was not drunk. So that him having a really high blood alcohol level makes absolutely no sense at all. But that's what the official report is. And so therefore, the case is closed. It's an accidental death move on. So the now, the circle of the writer does not let a writer doesn't like this. And so a bunch of letters get sent out saying that there's the sheriff, the accusing the sheriff of a cover-up saying don't allow this to happen and basically saying don't fall for this. This is a cover-up. And Mary continues to get letters threatening her about the affair until she finally breaks down and admits that, yes, she actually was having an affair with the superintendent of schools. But she says that the affair started after the letters came. Mm-hmm. Honey. It's just, she just threw her into his arms. Yeah, she was so upset about it. The dress of me accused of this insane thing made me do it. It made me go from being totally innocent of that thing to actually just doing the thing. You know how letters are. Making you do shit. But she was in this horrible position, right? Because it's this tiny town. Everyone's already talking shit about her because she's the woman who's having the affair. And that's what everybody knows what's in that letter at this point. Then her husband is killed in this very suspicious car accident. Suddenly he's a drunk. He was drunk driving. Like she is in the eye of the storm here. So I'm sure she was just trying to make her life make sense a little bit and be fine. But I mean, she's, you know, it would have been a horrible position. But she goes back to work. She's driving the bus again. And one day in 1983, and the letters keep coming. The letters don't stop. To her and people all around the area, the region. So one day, as she's driving her school bus route, signs start popping up along the street. And one of them, this is Steven's pull from the unsolved mysteries episode that-- I don't know if you can see it. Tracey Gillespie sucks. Whoa, oh, it was Bart Simpson. Now, in all the things that I read, the sign that was put up was very threatening about Tracey. Some say lured, some say threatening. Tracey Gillespie sucks is not that big of a deal. So I put it on. I think that the producers were like, let's not write anything bad about Tracy Gillespie anymore. So this was their way of sugar coating it. Because I would laugh my ass off if I drove. But yeah, sign that's amazing. I would have loved my name on a sign in any way. Keri, Keri, stop. Yeah, they're talking about me. [LAUGHTER] But of course, Mary sees this. It's like her family once again getting in the limelight. She pulls the school bus over. She walks over and she starts ripping down the sign. Oh, girl, can you imagine? Well, as she's ripping down the sign, she sees there's a string attached to the sign. And she follows the string back behind a couple leads. No, she does. You can say no all you want is still happening. [LAUGHTER] And hidden is there's this box. She fucking yanks the box down. Or is this goonies? What? Or is this goonies? And inside, there's treasure. There's a booby trap. The end. It is a booby trap. She pulls the box down. She takes it home. In the unsolved mysteries thing, they made it hurt. They showed that she did it right there on the school bus, which in truth did not do. She drove home with it. And at this point, the police already shown her how to deal with evidence and how to treat it and touch it and bring it to them. And she's just like, what the fuck is this box? Let me put my fingerprints on over this. Damn it. So she gets home, opens the box. There's a gun pointing at her. So this was a booby trap. When she went to pull the sign down, she was supposed to yank it in a way that it would just shoot her as she was standing there. But the gun didn't go off. So she gives all of it to the cops. And the serial number on the gun is rubbed off. But they're like, we can-- our people can look at this and figure out what the serial number is. Mary's like, great. I don't know if that happened. I left my place on the page. So basically, when they get the results back, everyone's shocked because the gun belongs to her brother-in-law, Paul Freshower. Now, when I say Freshower, you're going to think of soap. You're going to think of-- Yeah. But actually, he is a man who has an airtight alibi about the day that this booby trap sign went up. But it was his gun. And he said it went missing long ago. He hadn't known about it. He hadn't seen it in a really long time. I mean, old missing gun, fucking thing. You know that thing where you buy a gun. And then it just slips your mind. And it goes missing. But you don't report it. I don't know. I think I threw it under my pillow. So what the police do is this sweet ass early '80s police work they have. And they say, can you copy this letter? Can you write the way the circle of the letter writer writes? And he was like, well, I'm sure give it a shot, officer. And fucking copies out one of the letters samples that they have there. And then-- Why would you do that? Why would you do that? I mean, OK. Because you're just like, OK. Because he basically went in and was like, I've got an airtight alibi. And I didn't do it. So I'm here to tell you what you need to know. He does the thing. They're like, well, this is amazing. Because you've got the same penmanship as the circle of the letter writer. So you're under arrest. But they don't know the copy it. Oh god, this table's going to fucking break. They don't see. Well, then the copy it, though. Yeah, but it's really good copyer. He's a really good copyer of the most insane block letters in the world, but let's see it by-- Yeah. But I mean, oh, wait, sorry. This is one of the only letters that where the writing looks like this. It's just super nuts. And there are some theories that there's more. Do you want to be a superintendent? How many people in here have already Amazon thought this book? People are just like, way down low. I've got to get it before he sells out. I have to be a-- Follow your dreams, guys. Follow your dreams right now. Yeah. Oh, fresh hour. My gun disappeared. That's maybe it's in my mustache. That's Stephen when he lets himself go in age 6, Stephen. Sorry, Stephen. I'm sorry. You're going to be so mad. Stephen. There's the-- OK. That's really what most of them look like. A crazy ass zodiac style block letters. These stickers will pay. But also-- oh, don't read that one. But we'll go back a little bit. Should we go back to dancing? Where are we going? Just go to pumpkins. But I just wanted you to see where it's basically-- a lot of people think the way it's written. It's somebody trying to cover up. So nobody recognizes their handwriting, obviously. OK, so on October 24, 1983, Paul Freshauer stands trial and, in court, a handwriting expert testifies that the handwriting in Paul's station house copied letter matches the handwriting in all the circle of the letters. And he has found guilty of attempted murder and the judge hands down the maximum sentence of seven to 25 years for attempted murder. I wouldn't clap. [LAUGHTER] Because even while Paul Freshauer is in prison, the letters keep coming. And they're sent to hundreds of people. They're sent to-- sometimes they contain nude pictures. Sometimes they're very directly threatening, really angry, really mean. And sometimes they're typed, even. And what? Oh. [LAUGHTER] Sorry. And so the prison authorities can't figure out, since they thank Paul Freshauer's, the circle of the letter writer. They're like, every time he has a visitor, they strip search him before he goes into the room. And then after he comes out, they never find anything. And also, they don't understand how he's getting-- they're still almost always postmarked from Columbus, but the prison he's in was in a different city. So he'd be having-- he'd have to be giving them to somebody who would take them to Columbus to see the typewriting thing. Can't imagine there's a ton of typewriters in prison. He's got one hidden behind a poster of a '40s actress. OK. So then he receives-- Paul receives his own circle of the letter writer letter in jail. And it says, all caps. Now, when are you going to believe you aren't going to get out of there? I told you two years ago, when we set them up, they stay set up. Don't you listen at all? I'm going to buy it. You don't? From what I remember that night, I didn't buy it then either. Paul Fischer ends up serving 10 years in prison. For attempted murder, he's released in May of 1994. Oh, we can take a look at his face. Stay then. And by then, reports of threatening letters have basically stopped in Circleville. And Paul maintains his innocence until his death in 2012. So six months after his release from prison, unsolved mysteries hosted by Dennis Freyna, the new ones, they decide to do a story on the Circleville letter writer. And then a couple days after it airs, they get a letter from the Circleville letter writer. That's right. It's this one. And it says, forget Circleville, Ohio. If you come to Ohio, you El Sikos will pay. Signed to the Circleville letter writer. Was this when he was-- when Fresh Hour was dead already? No, OK. This was in 1990, 4 or 5, essentially. What I like and what I find interesting is that the Circleville letter writer uses colons for periods. And in my mind, I picture them in doing this crazy rage writing and at the end of every sentence, they're like, that and done. Like, one period isn't enough for the Circleville letter writer? No, yeah. Done. You just have to find the person who screams the last word of every sentence. Yes, and you found them. Yeah, that's right. He was that loud lady at the grocery store. And what's awesome is the introduction Dennis Freyna does at the beginning of that episode of Unsolved Mysteries. He's like, we got our own letter, too. But we're not going to be scared off of Circleville. OK. I mean, loving him, loving him actively. So at the end of that episode, Paul Fresh Hour actually says that he just wants justice for his family. Even though the Gillespie's aren't his family anymore, they've been divorced and he'd been remarried. He has his own new family. He still wants them to reopen the case of Ron Gillespie's car accident. And he wants to find out what really happened. Which is a really beautiful thing at the end of that. It's not like he's all bitter and pissed or if he is, he saved it. He saved it for off camera. So over roughly a 20-year span, the Circleville letter writer wrote and sent over 1,000 letters to the people in and around Circleville. Jeez, let's get a hobby. Well, I guess that is a hobby. It's a lot of stamp money. [BLANK_AUDIO] Interesting is the penmanship never improves. (audience laughs) Okay, so the epilogue to this, which I think is fascinating. So, local journalist, Martin, who reported on this the whole time, he went and looked into the case, he went and looked in the sheriff's files, and found that there was evidence there that was never introduced in court, and it's the story that the other bus driver who had this shift, I guess, before Mary's on that school bus route, told her that she had driven the route 20 minutes before Mary had when she saw the sign about Tracy Gillespie's (audience laughs) and when she drove that by that same spot, there was no sign, but there was a large, sandy-haired man who had a orange-ish yellow El Camino who, when the bus went by, he turned away and pretended to be peeing, and she thinks so that they couldn't identify him. And Martin Ant says that if the sheriff had looked into that, if they had had followed up, they would have found out that one of their possible suspects in the case had a brother who had a yellow-ish orange El Camino. Oh, shit, and love to pee and bushes. That's right. (audience laughs) And so that is the, as yet unsolved case of the circleville letter writing. Wow. Crazy. Thank you for, that was amazing. Huh? Oh, no, no, sorry. Sorry. Look at that gorgeous tent. (audience laughs) What did you press? Sorry. What did you press? The tech guy's pissed, he's like, look, I went to see the horrible reality. It's none of your business. (audience laughs) Well, the show's over, I guess. Shit. (audience laughs) We blew up the projector. Oh, no. Damn. Okay. (whirring) Okay, we're back, Karen, do you have any updates? Well, here's an interesting update. The TV show 48 Hours re-examined this case in 2021, and a forensic document expert now believes that Paul Frescher was the circleville letter writer. Although there are experts and people close to the case who questioned that conclusion, no one's ever been charged with writing these letters and CBS reports that the Pickaway County Sheriff's Office considers this case closed. You can watch that episode of 48 Hours on CBS.com, or Paramount Plus. But if you want to know the kind of the details and why they think that, you can go watch that episode. Or you can watch my episode of Drunk History, AKA Drunk Mystery of the Circleville letters, remember? Oh, I forgot that. Let's go watch Georgia tell this story. The Drunk Mystery episode. So it's Drunk History season five episode seven. And I had done it before you did this story, and I didn't realize I'll halfway through the story that I was so drunk that night that I did the drunk history that I didn't remember what story I told. I think is like a good example of what that show is like. Yeah, you really do get blackout drunk and have to be guided through. It's hilarious. It's a good episode. A girl who plays the main character is Vanessa Bayer, who I see at parties sometimes, and I try to like make her be my best friend, 'cause like she had my voice, you know, she did my voice. We were in the episode together in my mind. And she's like, right, oh, get away from me. You're scaring me, isn't she? There's that girl again. All right, well, that's amazing. Also, I think the other update is just, I do believe that the pumpkin festival is still so strong. We still have to go. I spent so much time talking about that legendary thing. Yeah, it's sad that we haven't gone yet. Okay, so now we're gonna go back to the live show and listen to the hometown that Georgia picked that night. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the "Burden of Guild" season three podcast. Turn your hands on your back. And to Cindy's surprise, her fiance, Kenny, was charged with abusing one of her children. I'd never once doubted Kenny, and I always doubted the accusation. On season three of "Burden of Guild," you'll hear a story about the lengths someone will go to in order to get what they want. Listen to season three of "Burden of Guild" on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. He said I have been kidnapped. Okay, just trying at normal. Oh my God, it was right in front of my face and I didn't even see it. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Chelsea Handler from "Dear Chelsea," this season we've got some awesome guests ready to dole out advice, guests like Tiffany Haddish. I like Bumble. Also, girl FarmersOnly.com. Like estate sales, funerals, auctions. Are usually good. Darcy Carden. Remember being like, I know this is good advice, but like, I really don't want to do that. So you didn't take her advice? No. Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I was a geek kid. Sherry O'Terry. Young and restless. OK. Some of us abbreviated it because we've been-- So what are some of you? T.S. Madison. Are you a Topali? No. I could have told you, no, I'm not. Girl, why are you just a Topali? She was not a Topali, OK? I was a Topali. On a Ferris, Dave Franco, Madeline Klein, Hannah Gadsby, Adam Scott, Wanda Sykes, and more. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think we have time. Yeah, we have time for a long time, murder. [APPLAUSE] Before you-- no pointing yet. No pointing yet. Yes, save it. Karen has to tell you some stuff. This is important. These rules. These are for you. And us. And us, mostly us. OK, you know the ones like, you can't read it, and you can't be so drunk, you can't tell it. And it needs to be local. We don't want to hear about shit that happened in Tennessee. To Ohio would be great. Right, yeah, yeah, statewide. And everyone hates you. OK, you have to remember that if you get picked, everyone else in the room hates you. That's not the time to shout out all your cousins and stuff. Just get up here and tell your story. You are on a clock, because you are. Ready, go. OK, I'm picking, I'm picking, I'm picking, picking. We get the lights up a little bit. Whoa, hi. She looks mad at you. You here in the leather. Yeah, or whatever that jacket is. Yes. Go to this way to Vince. All right. Don't be mad at her. OK, you can turn the lights down. Yeah, show us lights down please. Show free, yeah, bye, bye. Hi. Hi, my god, what's your name? What's your name, my name's Lauren. Hi, come over to Lauren. Hi, fancy pants. Woo, you do have fancy pants. Can I say that I bought this bow tie specifically for this show? Yes, this is from the Shiny. Yay! I love it. I love it. Can I tell you a secret? Yes. Or it's not. It's an open secret. But this is the pattern on the back of my album cover. Oh, that's right. Hi. Hi, five, everybody. Sorry, that was about me. Where are you from? I'm from Cincinnati, born and raised. They love Cincinnati. We're now living here in Columbus. OK. Yes, a little for everyone. Yeah. What's around him? OK, so this is the story of my biological father being the prime suspect in the murder of his best friend in college. OK. And just for a little bit of a side note, this was like two years after I was born, so life shit won right after the other half of the trip. But OK, so this was like 96, 97 happened at Capitol University. [CHEERING] Go accused. Yeah, OK. So my bio dad, his best friend, friend was Tony, who was the only other man in the art therapy department at the time. So obviously, they're gonna have to bond together 'cause they're the only two men in that department. - Yeah. - Okay, so here's the last person to see him alive. And so like he's dropping off at his apartment at like one in the morning 'cause you do weird shit at like one in the morning. I think he said they were getting haircuts or whatever. (laughing) - You know. - Eight nights supercuts? - Who the fuck knows? Who the fuck knows is right? - Anyway, so he drops him off and then his best friend is proceeded to be card jacked and like forced to empty out his entire ATM by a group of three minors, by the way, who apparently each had a rap sheet like a whole page long each. Anyway, so then they like shoot him execution style in the back of the head, and then find his car three days later on like Cleveland Avenue, which honestly is no surprise it's like a sketchy hair. - Oh, okay. - You guys hate Cleveland Avenue. - If not anywhere near Capitol University at all, so. But like so, while they're investigating this, my bio dad is put through all this bullshit. So like when they come to question him, they take him out of his ceramics class. And if you work with ceramics, you know that you're gonna wear the worst clothing possible. So they put him in handcuffs and put him in the back of the squad car and take him to interview him and whatever. And so he's like, he's looking hella guilty, like you're putting him in everywhere. - Overalls. - Yeah. - And that day they were working with red clay with a very unfortunate. But so they don't let him wash his hands and like drop him back off at class. And so hisness class, the teacher asks him to hand out all the graded tests. So each one has like a just a little thing, thumbprint on the corner. And like so now he's looking hella guilty. And like at one point he's like rounding a corner and he hears the like principle of like the college or whatever talking shit about him. And like it's bad because like he's also like the son of a Lutheran minister and this is the Jesuit college. - Oh, perfect revenge. - Yeah, exactly. But like he clearly didn't do it is what I'm saying. And like he clearly did do it is what you're saying. That's what you just said. - But like I'm pretty sure the kids that did it are now out of prison because they were minors at the time that they did it. - Do you know how young? - I don't know teenagers for sure. - Shit. - Wow. - How did they get caught? - I think they just followed the evidence. - Yeah. (laughing) - I don't get it. - Damn. - Shit. (laughing) - Can I end on a joke? - It's a really quick one. - Of course. - This is kind of an awful joke. You're gonna feel slightly bad for you. Okay, so why do they not tell jokes about the Reverend Jim Jones? - Why? - Because the punch line is too long. (laughing) - Oh my God! - Girl. - Me, John. - You earned nothing. - You're not gonna break it up. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. - Great job. - So good thing to my, there's Vance. Amazing. - Wow, that's how you do a fucking hometown. - But. (laughing) - And then just end with a touch of light humor. - That's beautiful. - A joke that we would get hate mail for, but was adorable. - That's right. - You do it. - So we appreciate that. 'Cause I want nothing more than to say that joke. Every day of my life. (upbeat music) - Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on this hometown that you know, Georgia? - No, updates on the hometown, but I did chuckle just a little bit at that really inappropriate joke at the end all these years later. So. - It was, I think it was funny. And I really liked that she threw it out there to be like, "Hey." - Yeah, and on a joke. - Leverty. - Good for you Lauren, you made us laugh then, and you made us laugh now. - Lauren, why do we be a part of things? (laughing) So, this episode was originally entitled, "Live at the Palace Theater" in Columbus, Ohio. (laughing) We have many choices for new titles for this episode. - That first one is my favorite. - Welcome to "Poodle Time." (laughing) Come on. - Of course, "Molded Seafood Salad" is a very important title for us. - Very good. - Or "Tune Attempty," which was your rest favorite recipe. - Right, get out of my slide show. - So you want to be a super attendant. - Or a touch of light humor. - Those are all great options. - So many good ones. - Well, that's this week's episode of "Rewind." Thanks for listening. Let's go back to Columbus, Ohio, on stage to say goodbye. (audience cheering) - Columbus, this has been an amazing show. - Thank you. (audience cheering) - A fun. We've had so much fun in Ohio. You guys have been so open and kind and wonderful to us, and we really appreciate it. We're so happy to be here. We'll definitely be back. (audience cheering) - We do say this all the time, but all the credit we're getting is to work, you guys are doing. So you are becoming all friends with each other. You all are hanging out and having a great time and supporting each other. It's just this insane, amazing community that's growing up out of Georgia and I bullshitting on her couch. (audience laughing) It's such an honor to be a part of this with you. We cannot tell you how much fun we're having, and how awesome it is. Thank you. - So much, honestly. We're so lucky. And so finally, to wrap up, please stay sexy. - And jump! - Bye, you guys. Thank you. Thank you. - Elvis, do you want a cookie? - Ah. - I'm Nancy Glass, host of the "Birden of Guild" season three podcast. - Cindy said I had to choose between the truth and my family, and I had to choose the truth. - Listen to season three of "Birden of Guild" on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - Betrayal Weekly is back with brand new stories. From threatening text messages disturbing a small Midwestern town. - It was from an unknown number. - Why did it start with us? - To long cons and stolen identities. - Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever believed in what she said. - Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - It's Chelsea Handler from "Dear Chelsea." The season we've got some awesome guests ready to dole out advice, guests like Tiffany Haddish, kind of slide into people's DMs. - I like Bumble, also girlfarmersonly.com. - Like at state sales, funerals, options are usually good. There's a lot of good, many grocery stores near gyms. - Darcy Cardin, Sheri Oteri, Ana Ferris, Dave Franco, Madeline Klein, Adam Scott, T.S. Madison, and more. Listen to "Dear Chelsea" on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.