Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 106: Courage Shoulders

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asking everyone a question that it refuses to answer it refuses to answer or acknowledge right it just it makes you ask the question it walks away quickly yeah and then it's like quit asking me so many questions mom like you open this conversation dad with a question what's happening and then you respond with a question of like what's wrong with me oh you put it back on me yeah oh is that what you do yeah and just at the beginning of the conversation i didn't even i was here eating cereal yeah this i was loudly eating sugar corn pops right uh compulsively what are you chocolate milk come into my life with chocolate milk as with chocolate milk in it have you done that before no but someone should that sounds insane it does it's your new um mcnuggetini but i used to put spoonfuls of sugar on like sugar cereal no not like on non-sugar cereal yes which is disgusting and it's the same oh i know like rice krispies with like four teaspoons of sugar and then the bottom is just like this sludgy sugar crunchy milk mess and then suddenly cartoons are more beautiful yeah everything's more beautiful everything's so much more beautiful your teeth hurt yeah they eventually fall out um what's going on hi how are you i'm really good i'm i'm doing really good i feel high energy i'm eating a lot of ginseng um just chewing on ginseng can i kick it off with this i'm going against all uh former models of this show okay skippers pay attention uh i'm gonna do a hometown murder right now of interest okay it was pulled by steven for steven about steven great let's do it not in my backyard not with my steven okay the subject line is btk taught my husband how to tie knots oh my god oh no one of those b that one of those letters is a knot you know the b part bind yeah okay he was kind of good at it let's talk let's hear about it i mean if anyone's gonna teach you hi ladies quick hometown murder for you so my husband's scout master was the btk killer and then she writes dennis radar now i don't mean to make fun of you because i'm sure you're a true murderino but and maybe you're you're uh you're what do you call autocorrect made it say radar but to read it as dennis radar makes me laugh it sounds like it's like he's like one of the bosses and the jetsons or something to me it sounds like a new wave like a new wave name like you're in a band and you change your last name to sound cool and new wavy do you have you seen that really cute um bass player dennis radar gross sorry anyway i'll say raider for now um so he grew up only a few houses away from the radar family outside wichita kansas also attending school with his children uh raider would take my husband's scout troop overnight to on overnight camping trips where he would often leave at some point with an excuse to get supplies etc what yeah you just have to nip off for supplies in the dead of night in hindsight he was using the camping trips as an alibi for quote scouting future murder missions no puns intended snort and possible murders at the time the murders were happening it was thought the btk was focusing on single mother households well i didn't know that and i did btk uh which was my what my husband's family was so this was particularly disconcerting when a very loud and barky family dog went missing from the backyard a couple weeks before someone broke into their home leaving behind a pair of binoculars and stealing nothing no happy to report that his sisters and mother are all alive and healthy to this day can't say the uh name for the dog which was never found oh that's oh can't say the same for the dog or the name or the i thought she was trying to say like do not speak of him what if his name was radar this whole he was named after radar o'reilly from mash okay um but this was also interesting even though it's a second paragraph one of the last super random things about btk his house went up for auction a couple years ago with the proceeds going to his family the woman who bought the house was an ex stripper and strip club owner she did an amazing thing she had the fucking house torn down she said that she wanted um raider's wife to have the money to start a new life to this day it's an empty vacant lot in the middle of the block please feel free to see the attached before and after pics um that her husband shot uh when we first started dating he had this picture of a house framed and i was always like why does he have this artsy picture of this ugly ass house in his cool brooklyn apartment after i found out what it was he put a ring on it that fucking thing went into storage uh that's crazy yeah ghost ghost stripper lady go go lady uh i have one yeah if we're doing it's not a hometown what you got a story it's called my grandfather hunted the zodiac killer interested intrigued okay um hello and this is all one word karen george is steven vince elvis dotty mimi karen i forgot your dog's name and i'm so sorry but hello doggies um okay so basically she heard this stuff so she wanted to let us know my grandfather is david uh toshi dave toshi yeah toshi yeah so funny i was on the way home from our trip our nashville show on that plane i was watching zodiac which is so good and fucking okay so here's what happens he was an spd spfd sfpd for years and an inspector on the zodiac case growing up he would tell my sisters and i stories about working the case the crime scenes he was called to and most importantly all the squirrels in arthur lee allen's freezer he always talked about the squirrels over the years reporters got our relatives phone numbers and addresses and we either call or show up to our houses wanting to talk to my grandpa about the case on the rare occasion he was contacted directly he would get pretty pissed and never gave him an interview this also included numerous attempts from gray smith who's that robert gray smith is the guy that wrote the zodiac book the movie's based on and he's that illustrator that jake and i are jill and hall plays you are so smart wow okay it's my favorite movie understandable i'd be pretty fucking tired of talking about it too but when the movie started shooting he was happy to be an advisor on set and got a huge kick out of hanging out with mark ruffalo i would too i mean jesus come on who wanted to perfect my grandpa's mannerisms and such ruffalo totally nailed it and this is so funny because i was like what's this fucking animal cracker bullshit it looks so stupid i'm like why do they have to add this but then she says right down to the way he spoke the Crackers in the glove box and taking the tomatoes off of his sandwich. which Gramps was pretty jazzed to be given the recognition and the rest of us as his family were happy he was portrayed in a positive light rather than the inspector who couldn't crack the case for the sake of a high grossing blockbuster so she goes on to say that her grandpa's 68 he is not in the best of health anymore and this was written a while ago so she had just spent this was written at Christmas she had just spent Christmas with him every time I visit I never know if it will be the last time I see him but he's a badass and keeps hanging on so here's a couple pictures and then she wrote us another letter just the other day that he had passed away yeah so uh fucking R.I.P. and big ups to grandpa for being a badass motherfucker well he has been portrayed in films twice now which is like how much of a badass do you have to be yeah be just you're in several films in Hollywood people play Ruffalo played you on those fucking bow ties that movie I'm uncomfortable with the fact that I find him darling and cute and wonderful and have a crush on him but he looks like my uncle and it creeps me out remember my uncle who came to our show yes he used to be like a fucking um you know what's his name the detective Columbo looking detective who was in like an episode of Columbo too I was gonna say Inspector Clouseau because I didn't know what we were doing Inspector Gadget I didn't realize it was a lookalike thing I was my friend Laura used to live up behind the Gelson's off Franklin and she had like a barbeque one afternoon and there was a guy there that I was like god that guy's so cute and it was after uh uh that first big movie um the one he was in with the fucking Laura Linney people oh no you can count on me that's right you can count on me we didn't remember because we've never said that to anyone and they absolutely can't and they will not and they know it and if they think they should I'll ask some questions and pretend they didn't it's such a foreign phrase it is um oh one other thing I wanted to say I started watching this new show on Netflix that is so fucking good it's called Wormwood oh yeah do you know about it yeah okay so it's about uh it's Errol Morris's it's like a okay it's a docudrama so it's like have you watched it uh I watched the first uh two or three no no like part of the first episode okay it's so fucking good it's really it's about this fucking CIA employee who in 1953 jumped out a window of a New York City hotel ruled it a suicide turns out he was being tested on from MK Ultra with LSD jumped out the window and it's the movie is about or the whatever movie is about his son trying to fucking figure out what happened it's incredible and like all the actors are so good in it fucking Peter Sarsgaard so good and Arsene you know how much we love Sarsgaard we love all the Sarsgaards all the Sarsgaards Tim Blake Nelson that great actor Bob Balaban you know Bob Balaban it's fucking really it's really good that's really awesome I could as well we you know what it was maybe we talked about this in person but there's so John Ronson my new favorite author person audiobook narrator they he has a story and I think it's uh it it's in the men who stare at goats because there's the MK Ultras in there yeah about he he went and met that guy and he's like oh my god he's like oh my god he's like that guy and learned all about that story and within that story after the dad died like a couple before the mom died him and his brother went on a bike uh trip across the United States as like a I think a 12 and a 14 year old they rode their bikes literally across the United States and it was in the paper and stuff and it's super crazy like and when you hear it in the audiobook it's it's like this can't be real yeah and they did it's so like exactly what you're like I knew the government was like this and did this shit I knew it yeah and now we get to know it yeah you know so nuts oh I've watched have you started watching the alienist yeah I love it it's good it's very true you don't love it it's just like I read the book and loved it and have an idea in my head of what it looks like and what it's like and but it it does seem very true to the book I get that though you you make a movie in your head yeah when you especially when you love a book yeah um I'm like I'm enjoying it so far I was tripping out last night on the uh how brilliant the uh opening credits are because they basically they're running the the building of New York backwards I love that it's such a cool it's the coolest way to set that tone and then you're just back so far that like her working at the police department is a huge deal in and of itself I mean the hugest deal is the shoulders on her dresses that are like past the top of her head like fucking shoulder pads no this is like shoulder towers that's where all her weapons are that's where her uh jar of arsenic is that's where she keeps her courage that's right when she can tap into it it's like a um like with the hats that you have that has beer on it with a straw and you need it when you need a sip of beer it's a courage shoulder it's courage shoulders yeah how does she take in the courage um I don't know through her nipples listen and scene there you go okay we are back in the minute how long was that that intro how long did we used to go oh that was a hundred years every time that's why the skippers complained right it wasn't just that we were talking about other stuff for a bit like another podcast right or like true crime in any way we were talking about cereal we couldn't stop talking about food and ourselves endlessly you know what Vince brought home recently speaking of cereal what he's a big cereal freak me too he brought home peanut butter checks checks remember squares peanut butter flavored but what's the base wheat rice I think it's born I think it's both oh okay so it's really good that sounds really good it's like not too sweet either will you take a picture of the box I will and send it to me I will you know what I have right now what that's really good and secretly good especially for older people okay raisin bran crunch oh so it's like you're being good to yourself with the raisin bran you got it but then get some crunch in there you're tricking yourself loving it I was gonna go on with raisin nut bran but then I just realized we were doing exactly what we just said that we can't not do it we can't be stopped this should have been like a bad food podcast oh we could talk about food for fucking 10 more years yeah let's transition that's the next one yeah okay I did not remember getting an email from Dave Toshi's granddaughter who was the lead investigator and Mark Ruffalo in the Zodiac movie that's right that's who wrote us an email I did not remember that's so cool of us that makes us so cool it makes us yeah did you see the new Zodiac like theory no basically Michael Connelly the author for crime authors says that they did an AI thing with one of the the codes and it was broken and they think that this same suspect that was on the Black Dahlia list is also the Zodiac killer that's AI the same program that when asked what's best to do for your health every day tells people to eat six small rocks that's something I saw one time but I also think about like would people how would people feel if like a big true crime cold case got solved because of AI and put someone brought them to justice we'd have to really fight with ourselves to to like be cool about true I mean if it's scraping like millions and billions of books that have all theorized about all of these different things yeah who knows but I feel like that's the same thing of like get ready because when these monkeys finish typing and Shakespeare's play comes out we're gonna party right where it's just like well let's see yeah but the AI that my endodontist used told him to pull two teeth of mine and then when he x-rayed them he was like oh the AI was wrong your teeth are fine oh my god that happened to me don't use AI for teeth I mean they're using it for everything I know okay well this is an AI and we promise you that that's right I remember the alienist yes I watched every episode such a good show and so good okay now let's get into we're gonna we're just gonna stop doing what we what we've always done on this podcast and get right into George's story for this episode about Teresa Catherine Foster should we who's first this week who went first at the last episode last oh like no the episode people have heard yes I'm gonna leave that one to Steve Karen went first last time yeah Karen did Krista Worthington last okay all right so I'm first this is the story of Teresa the murder of Catherine Foster and I got a ton of my information from a really great article from 2011 2011 I don't even need to say the whole thing from a magazine called or an online magazine called Westward and it's called the case of the kidnapped co-ed Alan Pendergrast wrote it here we go 10 30 a.m. on Thursday November 11th we're in 1948 all right here we are 12 miles south of Boulder Colorado two rabbit hunters come across the body of a young woman face down half buried in the snow beside a frozen stream she's dead obviously she appeared to have been dumped there from the bridge that was 15 feet above along highway 93 her jacket was tightly wound around her neck and her sweater was pulled up. Her bra was still on, but below the waist, she only had on her loafers and bobby socks. So she had been, quote, battered almost beyond recognition, as one reporter put it. And to the rabbit hunters, it was obvious who she was because the newspapers had been in a crazy frenzy with the missing co-ed who had disappeared two nights earlier. So Teresa Catherine Foster was an 18-year-old engineering student at the University of Colorado and had been walking home around 10 p.m. the night she disappeared from a rosary meeting on the Boulder campus. She had been heading downtown well at Main Street towards the house of a professor at the college and his family where she lived in exchange for chores. So immediately, like, the professor did it, right? That's what, but it's not true. Okay. Don't go down that path. Don't worry about him. He didn't do it. Put that card aside in this game of Clue. Yes. Not necessary. So the next morning, the family was like, she's not. This is very much not like her. Where could she be? She's not the type to stay out all night. So they called the police. So Teresa is known as a dependable girl. She's super self-sufficient. She was the ninth of 11 kids who had grown up on a farm outside Greenlee, Colorado. She milked cows. She hunted. She's an honor student. She didn't swear or smoke. She was religious and had high school sweetheart, even though she was kind of boy shy. So she was a really typical girl, not the kind of person to run away with someone or to get into any trouble. So the day after her disappearance, 20 miles from where her body was found the next day. So her body hadn't been found yet. Uh, the local farmer had found a bloody crime scene at the local lover's lane. So he goes to the local lover's lane. He says that there's so much blood in a 10 foot area along the road that he thought someone had been, had slaughtered one of his calves initially. Um, but there were bits of hair and scalp tissue, a broken grip of a 45 automatic and a ring and white. Scarf identified as belonging to Teresa. And it showed that she had put up a fight, but after her body was found the next day, her autopsy showed she had been raped, bludgeoned and strangled. And it was the first homicide in 72 year history of the university. Whoa. And the first murder in Boulder in nine years, knowing the story would be big. The editors of the Denver post freaked the fuck out and they start their own massive investigation on their own in a way that you can only get away with in like 1948. And, um, they ultimately put the case and the eventual trial of the suspect at risk by the means of, uh, what's it called? Newspapering this story, investigating, investigating, and, um, not advertising. What's the word promoting? Yeah. Telling the story, you know, telling, yes, telling like what I'm doing. Got it. So this man named Palmer Hoyt is the editor and publisher of the post, the Denver post. He's a former writer, a publisher of the Denver post. He's a former writer, a full detective story. So he's fucking big on this murder mystery story. He launches a campaign to catch, uh, Teresa's killer. So at the time it was normal for newspapers to hire quote experts to help cover murder trials. They'd get an astrologer to prepare the killer's horoscope. Isn't that insane? 48? God, that seems late to be doing stuff like that. Maybe they were doing in the twenties, but then it was like kind of a, still a normal thing. God, that's, but I just would never, well, that's the newspaper though. Yeah. I was thinking like more police, but no, no, no, no. This is all the press still though. It's a little nutty and it's so like grasping at straws. Like we need stories. We need to sell papers. Let's get anything we can get into this papers. It needs to happen. What does the moon say about this? Exactly. What does it tell about them? So they'd get a psycho analysis to hypothesize the mind of the killer based on what little information they had. So for barely 48 hours, 40 hours after Teresa's body was found, this guy, Palmer Hoyt hired a man named Earl Stanley Gardner to come in from New York. And he had been offered the amount of money most reporters made in a year to come in because this guy Gardner was a self-taught attorney. Didn't graduate school. I guess you could do that at the time. Yeah. No, no. Yeah. I got all those books. I'm good. I did for sure. Yeah. I'm an attorney. I didn't take any tests or graduate. Can you see my vest? Yeah. It's I'm an attorney. My briefcase right here. Look, don't worry about it. It's right. It's all in there. Look and listen to me as an attorney. But he wears tap shoes. He wears tap shoes. Yes. He had become famous. He, after that, he had become a famous writer of pulp novels, create and eventually created Perry Mason. Holy shit. He's the dude who created Perry Mason. Was a self-taught lawyer. Wow. They bring him in this guy, Palmer Hoyt, the editor. Okay. So they bring him in. He at the time made him rich and the most widely read living author on the planet. So this guy's a big fucking deal. And people are going to buy the newspaper that this guy is writing for reporting to. They're turning their newspaper into a pulp novel around this story. Yeah. It's almost like if you were like Kim Kardashian is going to be on my fucking episode of whatever the fuck I'm in my zine. So you're going to buy the zine. What did that happen? It would be a great way to represent Kim. All new. Yeah. Just more Kim in text. More Kim. It's not visual with Kim. I'm in this time. It's more about her poetry. The black and white copies I make at Kinko's are going to turn out great. Kim loves collages. Kim loves collages. And she's there for all of your fanship. There you go. Let's keep doing this. So he said, I am to try. I am trying to present the to the readers of the Denver Post the situation as it might appear to the eyes of Perry Mason, the fictional lawyer detective who has solved so many cases in my book. So he's fucking there to solve crimes and sell books, whatever. So he had insane access to the investigation and was treated like the like a VIP by the like police and detectives and investigators, too, who are like smitten by him as well. The D.A., the Boulder sheriff, as well as detectives, gave him access to their files and all the information on the case. They just like let him come to the station and read everything he wanted. He followed a bunch of leads that didn't pan out. He basically sucked at detecting, not in a book that he had written the story about. It's different when you're detecting by making up as it goes along. Right. Or like when you write what happened and then you solve what happened. It's different. So he followed a blood trail that turned out to be animal blood, speculated that the killer cut his hands based on bloodstains and the and called for the public to report any weirdos or suspicious dudes gathered many. And so people started calling in and reporting random people, the the post and all these like leads and shit were written about in the paper. So every time some weird lead would happen, it would be written about the post. The Denver Post created and detailed and made up scenarios of the possibilities of Teresa's murder. So basically wrote fiction of what happened and published it as fact. They took liberties with the story, fictionalized it and distorted the evidence. Of course, the fucking term of the day was sex fiend. Like that was just on every cover of every paper. One of the lines was what dark and some human beings, what thoughts of perverted pleasures and gnaw at the hearts of some human creatures, what terrible and godless passions lie within the bosom of some we pass, perhaps on the street. It's like, calm down, dude. Well, you just said the same thing three times. Like, take it elsewhere. If you've got some theories here. Right. And it's like, well, you keep asking me the same fucking question over and over and totally. So the Denver police fielded an average of 200 calls a day about said fucking weirdos that they were like, turn it in. Well, sure. Yeah. They're everywhere. I mean, they're everywhere. Ultimately, though, the the main suspect was found when his wife turned him in. Uh, 12 days into the hunt for Teresa's killer, Eleanor Walker, a woman named Eleanor Walker, tells the Boulder detectives about her husband, 31 year old Joe Sam Walker from El Dorado Springs. She said he had come home late the night that Teresa disappeared with his clothes bloody and a wound on the top of his head. He had burned his bloody clothes and washed out. And he had just been out and repainted the trunk of his car. Oh, totally normal. You know, as like you do. Like that to do list for Sunday. Yeah. Everyone always up right at the top. Get your teeth cleaned every six months. Repaint your fucking trunk of inside trunk of your car every three months. Yeah. Three months. Just really get in there and do new colors every time. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. Maybe wallpaper. Hey, you know, something fun. So did it wound burned repainted. He also told his wife he disposed of a 45 pistol and a parka and one a park. So. The fucking Denver Post also put a thing in that was like, you know, call about these weirdos and any clues you have. Let the police know if you can't get a hold of the police, call us. Oh, so all these people were calling and like, I have this clue, this clue, this clue. This woman had found like hidden away in like pipe, a storm drain, some bloody clothing, including a parka and like a rag and all these things. The Denver Post had taken the bloody parka and told her the other stuff wasn't important. So she had thrown it away. Good. Uh huh. Yes. So. Definitely listen to the fucking newspapers if they tell you that evidence isn't important. I mean, it's funny because you it's a lot like that book I wrote that I was reading on the plane. It's same. But mine is in the tens. But it's the exact same thing. We're like, once a murder happened, then people just came into town that were like, I'm an independent private detective and they could be anybody and they could all access all areas of anything. Right. Everything is lost. Recently that they were like applied logic to process. Yeah. It's like, how about nobody stands around here? And no one gets all the information. Yeah, we know to ourselves. So they so he had gotten rid of a pistol in a parka similar to the one that had been found. He Joe was arrested that night. So this dude, Joe Walker's story of the night of the murder was that he had gone to a drive in and had a couple of beers. And then he had picked up a couple on his way home. He picked up a couple who were in their 20s hitchhiking on the same street Teresa disappeared from a couple. They had asked to be taken to a lover's lane. The man that he had picked up of the couple drink from a pint of whiskey. And the woman argued with him about needing to get home. And let's see. So they get to the lover's lane and the man who he to Joe described as short and stocky in his mid 20s said he wanted to drive the car from there on for whatever reason. Walker was like, no, you can't drive my car. They got into an argument and Joe says they began like fighting, punching each other outside the car. And then the man found Joe's 45 in the glove compartment and used it to club Joe in the head. And Joe goes unconscious at this point. Uh huh. When he comes to the man is. And the woman is dead, half nude body hanging out of the car trunk. He finds her like that. Yeah. Yeah. He's panicked and quote scared stiff. So he puts her body in the trunk and drives south and disposes of her body off the bridge and tosses her clothes after her. Then he goes home to try to wash away all the blood. So he says someone else killed her and he disposed of her body because he was scared. Yeah. He just had to do what he had to do. Yeah. Don't tell authorities. No, definitely don't bring people. To the place where you can prove you didn't do it. Right. Also, your wife isn't on your side. She's going to tell on you. So be a little more chill about that. You haven't been that cool to her for like 25 years. She's not stoked on you. Yeah. Yeah. So the cops thought this is a bullshit story. Obviously, they poked all these holes in it and his wife. But his wife ends up believing he's innocent, even though the papers go wild and tarnish Joe and are like, this is the sex fiend. Oh, and also is didn't she start it? Yeah. And then he did. Convinced that she did the wrong thing. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. The Denver Post soon gets all this just finds all this disturbing info about Joe. In 1947, he was arrested in Oregon on a complaint that he'd made, quote, lewd advances toward two girls while driving a delivery truck. But the post headline was Oregon police disclosed girls 11 and 12 are molested. So like all this crazy shit. And then so he goes to trial in 1947. And the local jury is picked. And of course, they've been reading these headlines constantly for fucking months. There was over 230 articles in less than six months written about this. Wow. That's a lot. So there's hair, blood, fiber evidence that ties into the scene. But but they never tested the semen that was found, which is really weird, even though the defense pressed for tests because they said that it would prove that the client wasn't the one who raped her. It was this hitchhiker. Right. So I don't know why they never. Never tested it. It's really weird. A waitress at the diner, the drive in where he had been said that she had served Joe and a young woman shortly after 10 the evening she disappeared. And the jury comes back two days later with a verdict of guilty of second degree murder. And he's sentenced to 80 years to life. So they think he was taking her out on a date, not a date as much as like, hey, I'll give you a ride home. Would you just come get because she was having a coffee like, come, will you come get a coffee with me? Oh, and I'll take you home. But at the drive. In movie theater. It's a drive in like restaurant. Oh, restaurant. You know what I mean? Sorry. I immediately went to movie theater. Yeah. But he had had beer and she had coffee. And I was like, why are they? Do they know each other? Why are they hanging out? I mean, because I always go to like the fugitive style. What if what he's saying is true? I know. It doesn't sound like it like the idea that he would be going so far as to repaint your. Yeah. I don't know. No. Disposing of a body speaks of guilt. Yes. Right. I think for sure. Yeah. So, less than a month later after he's put away, six months after Teresa's murder, two students from the same school are attacked next to Boulder Creek while out on a blind date. The assailant hit the woman in the head with some kind of metal pipe, and she was able to get away. But her date, Roy Spohr, had his leg in a cast and couldn't run. His body is recovered from the creek the next day. His skull's fractured in several places. His murder has never been found, either by coincidence or not. Just as Teresa was, he's an engineering student. Whoa. So, two engineering students in six months are attacked and bludgeoned to death in the same area. In the same way. In the same way, in the same area. So, there is a possibility that it's a coincidence. Yeah. Fuck. Or that it's not. That it's the same murder. That it's a serial killer, but that he's innocent. Yeah. I mean, the engineering student thing could be a coincidence. I'd have to see some numbers. Yeah. Like, how many engineer students are there? Divided by. A million. By X. X. X a million. Yep. And then go ahead and round that off. To three. So, yeah. There's three engineering students. That's fucking crazy. Two of them had been killed. Oh, my God. That's borderline a majority. If I were that third one, I'd get the fuck out of town. I would get on a train. Bye. In disguise. And I would get out of town. Or I'd see the killer. Oh, fuck. I have to be the only engineering student. So sorry. That was him calling. That was the bell that when you get it completely right. That's what that was. When the theories go and go and go and we finally hit on what happened. Karen's phone rings. God texts me and says, yep, here you go. You're doing God's work. You're doing my work. He said to say, hi, Georgia. Hey, bro. And then actually your people are the ones that are right. Oh, good. Yeah. She said. That's right. Okay. That's what she said. That's what she. That's what God. She said. Okay. Blah, blah, blah. After 20 years after Joe gets locked up, the Colorado Supreme Court overturned his conviction due to his claims of pretrial publicity. So right before that, or like pretty quickly before this, Sam Shepard, remember him? He's a doctor who maybe killed his wife, maybe didn't. Yeah. In Ohio. He his conviction had been overturned because of the media involvement and how much bullshit was talked. So even if he did it or not, it doesn't matter. He didn't get a fair trial. So based on that, this dude, Joe Walker is like, I had it fucking worse. And they're like, yeah, you did. And they overturned his conviction. Wow. Yeah. So they concluded that the Denver Post had injected itself into the investigation, investigatory process by distorting evidence, presenting speculation as fact and dubious detective work as infallible. And they described events that never happened and generally whipped up publicity, quote, so extensive, so slanted and prejudicial, so calculated to inflame. And so all perversive as to make a fair trial for Walker impossible. So whether or not he fucking did it, they let him go. Yeah. He maintained his innocence until 1982 when he hanged himself in a Texas motel room. Shit. So we know we don't know who killed her and we don't know if it's him. I'm going to guess it is. But, you know. But still, there's the the doors open. I just and I'm sorry to correct you, but this one people are going to talk about. Hung. All perverted. All perversive is what you said, but it's all pervasive and perversive, I think, is like a different. You're right. More of a fetish thing. The all all the dirty things you can. I'm going to say it's perversive, though. I'm going to say I meant you did say that. I know. I want to say it is correct that I meant that. Well, you can do that if you want to. What was the words I used last time that ended up being? I mean, dude, what was it? It was proclensity, but it was proclivity and propensity. Yeah. Which turns out are the same are the same. And so proclensity is basically I was mashing up words in. Yeah. In retrospect. Yeah. No, no, no. I was doing it on purpose then. Right. OK, we're back. Are there any updates for this? No case updates. But we did receive a hometown from a listener titled Earl Stanley Gardner, actually a motherfucking justice seeking murderino. OK, so here it is. Hi, ladies, animals and Stevens. I was listening to George's account of. Teresa Catherine Foster's murder during my commute when she mentions Earl Stanley Gardner. While this dude is known for Perry Mason and in this case, his questionable investigative assistance and even more questionable law education. I freaked out. I think I gasped alone in my car because I spent the better part of a year researching Gardner and his true crime column, the court of last resort for my honors thesis. Whoa, smart. The column, which ran from 1948 to the 1960s in a pulp magazine called Argosy, stood out among the wrote narrative. It's a story about the lives of other true crime magazines where the justice system always caught the bad guys. Instead of retelling these stories again and again, Gardner investigated cases where the justice system had purportedly failed to nab the right guy, making it an early example of true crime, which manages to captivate audiences as well as impact the cases they cover. All told, Gardner and his column contributed to the exoneration of seven men. Wow. So, yeah, even though he's most known for Perry Mason, our dude Gardner should also be remembered for pissing off the authorities. And getting people out of jail. One exoneree, Clarence Bogey, even became engaged with a reader that found him after reading Gardner's columns about him. Exoneration and matchmaker? Not a plus. Much love from a new cat owner and forever murderino, Leslie. Oh, did you send a picture of your new cat? Mm, let's see it. Tell your cat I said, psst, psst, psst. That's my favorite bumper sticker. That's pretty incredible. Yeah. I want to read more about it. I want to read that piece. Never heard of that. No. All right, let's get into Karen's story about Louis. E.G. Longi, the shampoo killer. This podcast is brought to you by Squarespace. Every successful small business starts with someone saying, I wonder if people would actually buy this. 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I'm really weird about that because it's just such a special thing when it's in a package. But I mean, are you going to open them? I don't know. I'm scared. Like I want to save one unopened. Okay, but open the other four. I'm scared. But there's good stuff in there. I know. I know. I need to. Okay, I'll do it. I mean, I get what you mean, but then, well, I'll just tell you this and you can decide for yourself. Should I do a video of the, you know how they do like unpackaging videos? Yes. Should I do that with them? 100%. Okay, I'll do it. Perfect. Please log on to Georgia at YouTube.net for the new unpacking video. I'll put it on our Instagram. My favorite murder Instagram. Make it an Instagram story. No, I hate those. Oh, shoot. Because they go, okay, why am I talking? They disappear. In 24 hours, right? What's that about? I don't, it's stupid. It's for sex things? It's throwaway culture. Everything. Everything around us is throwaway. Don't get me started. Okay. Well, here's what I will tell you. So I have gone through all of mine. Great. Pulled out a lot of the mafias because sorry, it's just not my jam. Yeah. Gotten a lot of great ones, but this one was from a brand new pack that sorry, Steven, it's not the pack you gave us. Oh, shit. But a listener that we met in Las Vegas gave us. Yeah. And I pulled this out on the plane from, I think, probably flying home or flying to Phoenix. And I laughed out loud, like a real creep at this. The specific one? The specific one. Oh my God. And then was overjoyed. And then it was like, I'm finally one ahead. Like, I know what I want to do, which just never happens. I always feel like I'm scrambling to think of things. So I'm like, here it is, my whatever. Oh, I'm excited. It's a little short though, because it is a foreign crime and it's a one-off. Mm-hmm. Uh, so, uh, most of the articles, most of the articles, most of the articles that I found that were the same. It was people regurgitating the same article to the point where there was one that was just somebody that had taken the end of the story and put it at the top of the paragraph and then basically told it backwards. It was like, but word for word, it was the same. And it's like, they hit translate and it's a bad translation. You know, make it your own. You put something in there that's for you. But anyway, so thank you for the listener who gave us this. I'm sorry, I don't have your name on the screen. It's on this piece of paper. That's really uncool. Here's what I will say though. Those true crime trading cards were written by Valerie Jones and Peggy Collier and the art is drawn by Paul Lee. And it was all done in 1992. Oh, I love this shout out. Right? Yeah. Cause they made all those fucking things. And I love it's two women. And I, it's two women and they took heat for it. Remember when, when they came out and everyone's like, this is disgusting and this is this culture of celebrating murderers. Yeah. Where it's like, no, it's just a bunch of great, interesting information. Give us 20 years, bro. Yeah. It's history, baby. Listen, baby, bro. Also it's out. It's all out of Forestville, which is a little town north of Petaluma, probably about half an hour going toward the Russian river that I know very well. That's your fucking hood. Let's invite them to our, if we ever have a Sacramento show. That's a good idea. Or a show in Santa Rosa. Yeah. Sacramento, you guys can stop sending us your threatening postcards that you've been sending us. Yeah, that's right. We have things in the works for you. You beautiful demanding listeners. Threatening has worked. So. And will work. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Go. No, no, no. So this is the story of the murderer, Luigi Longhi. Now, I don't speak Italian. This isn't surprising. Wait, you don't? I don't speak Italian. I'm sorry. What? So I'm not sure if L-O-N-G-H-I, Longhi, is I assume- Longhi. Longhi is what I'm thinking. Longhi. Yeah. So Luigi Longhi was born in 1954 to Italian parents in Switzerland. And from a very early age, he had a sexual fetish that got him into a lot of trouble with the law. Which one? It's a very interesting and rare one. At age 10, he was arrested for stealing women's wigs and bottles of shampoo from hair salons in the neighborhood. That is a new one. Have you heard anything about this? No. I mean, that's a new fetish that I haven't heard of. Mm-hmm. And from such a young age. Oh, yeah. What happened? I got this just to go into. I was trying to be like, "Oh, what would that childhood obsession with hair, what would that mean?" That specific, I guess we'll call it, it's a paraphilia or a fetish. Right. But it's, I can't find anything about it anywhere. It only brings you to the one where you, trichophilia, I think, where you pull your hair out. Oh, yeah. So, but- That's a bummer one. That is, yeah. That's a tough one. I had a friend that used to pick a little part of his eyebrow all the time when he was stressed out. Oh. And he was in the middle of an edit or something when part of his eyebrow would be gone right there. That sucks. It always grew back. I knew a little girl who, when I was little, who pulled her hair out and was really sad. Yeah. And her brother threatened all her friends, all the girls in her grade, "If you fucking make fun of my sister, I will." Oh, that's awesome. I know. It was very sweet. He kind of, yeah, it was really sweet. Also, I think there are a lot of childhood things like that that it's common. Yeah. I think a lot of people have that. Everyone shows their anxiety in different ways. I used to do a thing where I wouldn't take my jacket off on the playground even though it was hot. Oh. Why? I don't know. It was super weird. I always thought that people were putting notes on my back, and so I would constantly be reaching to touch my back and constantly be checking my back. Why? Did you see that happen to somebody else? Probably in like Parker Lewis Can't Lose or some shit, like in a fucking Saved by the Bell. And so I was like constantly, but just I thought everyone was making fun of me. Of course. All the time. Yeah. That was mine. Because you were in junior high? Elementary school. Oh, wow. No, I was on meth in junior high, so no one would fuck with me. What was that word? That was my tick in junior high is taking meth, and maybe they'll stop fucking with me. Yeah. That's a different kind of tick. Uh-huh. Okay. Sorry. No, no. So this is on Wikipedia, which you know how they always have like it'll cite it if you need a reference. Like if you're just stating something in an article, they're like, you have to prove this. Reference. Yeah. I think there should be the same citations for grammar, because listen to how this paragraph sounds. Love it. Let me have it. Yeah. That's a good one. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. That's a good one. Yeah. That's a good one. Thank you. That's a good one. his or her early life manifesting an aggressive behavior that will drive to pull the hair of people with which it interacts that was the most gorgeous sentence i'm getting that whole thing tattooed on my back in italics you know when you hear something and you're just like oh my god that's it that is like the wisdom of the ages yes on its coat i want you to repeat it but it's too long but i still love it it's really long and and also essentially it's just like children with hair fetishism like the touch touching hair at an early age but it says so much so much well someone put that in like that quote as like one of those um motivational photo quotes with like the ocean in the background yes and we'll post it maybe if um there's a lady that has hair down to her feet oh if you could superimpose crystal gale into this okay she's a she's an old country you know her oh no is she the one with the long lady with the longest hair in the world yeah and she was loretta lynn's sister anyhow i'm sure interesting i also then in trying to find articles about the shampoo the fetish of wanting to shampoo women's hair i found an article from um the independent in from 2007 where they talk about the results of the largest global study of sexual kinks ever undertaken and it turns out that um among sexual preferences for body parts feet and toes are the most popular at 47 percent head shoulders feet and toes feet and toes it's all feet and toes feet and toes uh they also found that when it came to objects associated with the body shoes boots and other footwear scored 64 percent um and just to give you a sense of uh compared to other things and this is based on the views of men and women okay um 150 people uh with a penchant for hearing aids two uh who had um a fetish for pacemakers they 12 percent of them were turned on by underwear nine percent by coats uh uh seven percent by hair so it's kind of in the low middle i guess but it's present it's there it represents but it's in no way near yeah uh five percent muscles four percent genitals only five percent muscles five percent muscles and four percent genitals you think that'd be number one you would think that maybe it's just too obvious like two on the nose right two on the genitals you're it's like now i'm into nose how about the nose yeah uh the lowest scores and so sorry guys went to stethoscopes wristwatches bracelets diapers and catheters oh catheters catheters where did my mine of nacho cheese fries come in it ranks it's oh my god eight percent look at this great i've seen nacho cheese fries and i'm just like ready you're like girl girl girl guy vince okay now then from this article i stumbled onto an article about object sexuality which is that thing where people fall in love with bridges and marry them oh like the actual object they're into yes because i was kind of trying to go like well if you're if you don't have anything to tell me about washing ladies hair then maybe this area will and i just kept clicking on things that were bringing i actually got to a hair washing porn site what um i didn't click on it though because no because that's forever yeah did you what about is the person who married a roller coaster in there yes well in my short list uh this is a woman's day article from 2010 where there it's a list of the 10 known romances between people and things oh my god uh including the berlin wall a fairground ride which i think is what you're talking about a body pillow totally understandable i get that jesus a nintendo video game character oh a volkswagen beetle oh okay the world trade center wait oh a scene from a movie locomotive understandable an ibook sure okay and the most romantic of all a metal processing system so wow man there's like a glitch in the matrix of your brain when those things happen yeah i mean or just say it's right it's everybody gets some weird thing that happens to them when they're like five and they go like oh that's my thing and then that's just how it is yeah i guess you get emotionally attached to whatever yeah you have some weird memory that's just like oh christmas and poinsettias that turns me on okay so here let's get let's get back we're not trying to kink shame anybody no just kind of throw some things out there you're actually kink unshaming and showing all the beautiful ways that there are to love and fuck right because one i you know focused on the foot like the fucking aspect but then i brought it around to love with the metal processing system no shame get yours the way you have to from a bridge don't hurt anyone in the process or a bridge oh yeah there's something they're sensitive they have to be there all the time for people yeah they seem strong yeah but they're really not yeah deep down deep down in a windy day all right so luigi longy spent some time in mental institutions uh and he was eventually deported from switzerland in 1977 when he was 25 so he moved to denmark a city called padborg padborg let's do it uh i think i just no make the worst fucking ikea joke in the world please mark that and all ideas similar to it no no leave it because you held back to show that i have control thanks um okay so he says that this is when he began hiring women who would let him wash their hair uh he never asked for sex he never harmed them in any way he just shampooed them compulsively in fact he was a virgin shampooing hair yeah uh that's what he needed to get it done so on may 30th 1981 when luigi was 29 years old he picked up a german hitchhiker named heike freiheit at the danish german border and he offered her to buy her a ticket to copenhagen if she would come and let him wash her hair in his apartment and she was like okay i can get home it's almost like if she instead he like offering that to me is creepier than if he was like can you come over so i can murder you yes because your hair washing part is just like what yeah that's it's all questions yeah there's there's nothing you can't trust it it doesn't sound normal it doesn't sound that easy you know it can't be that easy right because normally the way hair washing works is you pay someone else to do it right for you right and like you don't have to be alone with a strange man and i know this is right that's key uh i know this is you know like obviously he had mental problems from an early age but i wish someone had told him you can get a job washing women's hair and get paid for it i did it uh did you really for a short time yeah what are there any tricks we need to know yeah every person who washes hair has a spot that they just immediately miss like you just ignore this one and so mine was like the back right side of the neck so you have to make sure to do that don't spray people in the face i was really bad at it oh yeah i was just it was it's really intimate it's really really intimate and like it's and i was like 20 not even 20 years old so i was just like suddenly like caressing people's heads with basically kind of with your boobs on their face yeah i mean is the position yes it's odd it's really creepy and intimate and as you like that's an interesting perspective because just as the receiver you just i would just close my eyes i'm like i'm at the massage parlor i think that's key is that close your eyes it makes it less creepy yeah don't fucking stare at the person that's trying to wash your hair no that's not the time for eye contact be polite and close your fucking eyes have a personal moment if you can't close your eyes because you're that the you know the insanity inside you is such that you can't be alone in there in the dark look away baby do a kiss you can okay she goes there he washes her hair to the point where in this i wish there was so much more information about this they both fell asleep so he must have been good he must have been good she could have been on some drugs uh felt comfortable he may have been very non-threatening and like she just was a tired hitchhiker if you ever have had a good hair wash man it can be so nice oh my god well so he wakes up and he wants to wash her hair again and i'm like oh my god you okay but he knows now this is the dividing line between when he usually gets women to wash let him wash their hair is that he does it and then they leave so now he wants to do it again he knows she's going to say no so he decides to tie her up so he binds her hands and her feet and then she wake so she's waking up as he takes her back over to the chair at the sink to wash her hair again oh god and once she gets in the chair he gags her and and then binds her to the ground and then he proceeds to wash her hair for hours and hours until he runs out of shampoo are you fucking kidding me uh-huh and then and this is the part where and i was it was not humor laugh it was like nervous what the fuck am i reading on this holy shit holy shit yeah yeah just i've never heard anything like this um so then when he runs out of shampoo he looks around his apartment for other things he can use so then he starts shampooing her hair with honey then he shampoos her hair with salad dressing what and cottage cheese so which is horrifying i am speechless and insane and then it also reminded me in the 70s and i can't remember if we've talked about this or not my mom used to put a conditioning pack on her hair on the weekends that was just mayonnaise that's what i used to do how do you stand i don't know so gross and she would have it she'd have like a perfectly manicured fingernails with mayonnaise underneath them she'd be like honey hand me that thing and i'd be like i can't be anywhere near you i would use like fucking fist fulls yes fucking mayonnaise in your hair you wrap plastic wrap around your head yes and you just let it fucking marinate yeah your hair is beautiful and shiny and stinks the stink is so gross it's so bad it's fucking raw eggs yeah rotten eggs it's rotten eggs that you're putting on your head what i think is interesting about the fact that he did that and kept doing other stuff is that it's not about washing her hair and it's like that it makes you understand something more about this fetish which is it's like it's manipulating the scalp and hair of a woman and the act of doing that yeah rather than the washing right it's not about cleanliness it's not about cleanliness or or the woman enjoying it no because no one's going to enjoy cottage cheese fucking rubbed in their head unless it's you me or your mom and a small handful of other people yeah no it's about his enjoyment of touching her hair with liquid in it basically and probably rinsing it in the scalp and yeah touching hair um okay so so all the while while she's being shampooed of course she's struggling against her restraints um but now he's worked himself up into a frenzy because he can shampoo her he like there's no he's out of control he can do whatever he wants um so then he decides he wants to see what she looks like naked and so she he rips her clothes off and so this is when hike begins to stomp her feet on the ground she's trying to get like a neighbor to notice or know that something's wrong and when she starts to do that um he's put and it doesn't say when this happened he's put a noose around her neck so he's tightening it trying to make her stop stomping her feet um and she ends up dying of asphyxiation oh my god he later tells the police that it was an accident he says i never intended to kill her but suddenly she went limp and i realized she was dead um but in a couple articles too the way they phrased it was almost like she strangled herself by fighting against the ligatures and it's like it's if you put a ligature weren't there exactly and also if he if there's anything noose like in the story sorry yeah that there's one there's one use if there's a way to strangle yourself because there's something around your neck then he then he killed her right you would strangle her if you were beginning to strangle yourself because you were moving he'd stop moving yeah yeah it's this is not on her yeah uh okay so of course he panics and what does he do which then also combines some other interests that we have he stuffs her body into a wall space puts lime on it and gets the fuck out of dodge nine months later there are workmen who are re-insulating the roof nine months they didn't find her does lime work that well um well no i didn't say what like they found her body so it's not like it completely disintegrated okay but maybe it i mean covering the smell that's what i mean it's like no one was like i have no idea but yeah it took nine months and then they fucking look down and there's a body in a wall which is horrifying um but also one of the stories that we were asking people to send us yeah things in walls um so anyway luigi longi uh pled not guilty but on march 11th 1983 he was found to be criminally insane and confined to a mental institution for an indefinite amount of time i was thinking this was like the 40s no shit 83 so because the true crime crime cards were written in 1992 yeah on the card it says where he remains until this day uh we don't know if that's true but if he is still alive today he'd be 66 he's young and that's the short and singular story of luigi longi wow yeah let's go find him yeah oh that's creepy that's so creepy yeah guys send us your tell us your fetishes no thanks steven's like no no imagining the inbox now i know send steven your fetish well we have all these new listeners the people have no interest in true crime whatsoever they just want us their fetishes us reading their fetish yeah that's right podcast against our will uh-huh um but that was fucked up yeah that was a quick episode yeah okay we're back karen any updates no updates for this story all right well then let's get into good things of the week this podcast is brought to you by squarespace every successful small business starts with someone saying i wonder if people 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a man who's normally a baseball writer named bill james but he also wrote the book popular crime which a lot of us have read okay oh i have to read it so he's it's very cool because he's approaching um it's basically there's this you have to read it so i don't want to like overly spoil but he's linking um the volisca axe murders um and a bunch of other really grisly murders it's one guy that used to ride the train and um it's just incredible and he uses that kind of like here's all the things this guy did and he did it every single time and they went through and pulled all the stories from back then of was somebody killed by an axe in a small town near a railroad and it's incredible they did so much research oh i can't wait to write it it's so so good and also the way he writes like sometimes i feel like when i read true crime books it's very like uh it gets very uh prosy and like kind of like the very overly descriptive this guy it's like he's just talking to you or he's like we'll talk about that later like here's the research yes is it and he's like and that you might that might remind you of this but it comes back later so we'll talk about that then like it's really cool narrative and then it's just really clear and it's one of those really satisfying like if you know about this crime and this crime and this crime he's like i don't know i don't know i don't know like it's all one guy nice yeah okay i'm i really want to read it yeah i'm halfway done so you'll have it in you know two weeks okay my seven months great or i think yeah or i'll buy it uh oh i just bought a stranger beside me um can i just say cats i think that's making me happy as cats and my cats and watching them sure that's what's making me happy right now it's just nice to fucking sit and chill with them and we're gone so much touring that like when i get a come home and see them it just makes me really happy great yeah okay we're back so this episode as we all know was originally entitled courage shoulders but if we were naming it today maybe we would call it well it should be not with my steven definitely not in my backyard not with my steven then all of the sars guards yes that's that one is pretty great always yeah head shoulders feet and toes shoulders feet and toes which is george's remix of the classic children's hit and of course bridges are sensitive all right well thanks for listening everyone and here in 2026 let's go back to 2018 to say goodbye well thanks for listening you guys thanks guys for listening um all right stay sexy and don't get murdered bye elvis want cookie whoa calling all amateur detectives and podcast obsessives virgin voyage's second true crime voyage sets sail march 20th 2027 for a five-night escape to grand turk and the beach club at bimini as part of the on-air at sea collection this immersive sailing brings together fan favorite podcasts including disgraceland buried bones and wisecrack for live recordings behind the scenes access 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