Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92

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Visit prizepix.com for restrictions and details. Billy is an unusual human being who has had the most painful. You have your arm ripped off your body and all of your teeth smashed at the same time and you're delirious for 30 days because they amputate what remains of your arm without anesthetic. And he, all this time, until he was about the age of 16, he claims to have been tutored by this man named Svath, S-F-A-T-H, was at that time supposedly around 900 years of age. This is a thread that when you pull it, the sweater starts unraveling. Why Billy? Like, why won't Pata or some Yazee or any of these beings just come to the podcast, come sit down, have a chat, let the world know? But let's ask ourselves, if this man has indeed taken 1,200 or so UFO photos and they've been authenticated. Why would he go to the trouble of falsifying, making some kind of a crazy craft that would really be, oh, can't be real? Why would he blow his story here? To me, I'm, you know, I'm pretty convinced that that was not a genuine, this was hoaxed. The UFOs that are being seen around the world, this is not ours because ours are not UFOs. We know what the craft are and we know who's flying them. You said, well, Billy was special. Well, I mean, as soon as we say special, we think there's an exalted status there. Well, there kind of is with him. There is the chosen one aspect to this. If we can deal with the information at the level that it's intended, if you will, for our development, for our evolution, and Billy has said, the meaning of life is the evolution of consciousness. One of the weirdest things. One of the weirdest things that's happened to me, my man. In 2012, I was working at a shop as drug mart in Ottawa, Ontario, at the cash. It was lunch rush, utterly typical day. This white guy, dark hair, business casual, like maybe 30-ish approached my cash with a chocolate bar or something. When I looked up to ask if he'd found anything, everything, like I looked into his eyes and suddenly I was looking through his eyes at myself behind the counter. It was a one Mississippi, two Mississippi kind of thing, but it felt like it stretched on. And then I was back in my own body. He looked at me with like a smirk, you know, like he knew, and I sold him this thing. He walked out. I didn't have time to process it. Next customer, next customer. It was weird, man. I was strangely, preternaturally calm throughout. Anyway, see you in Vancouver, man, front row. Okay, well, we're already rolling, so let's get into it. Fantastic. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, today I'm joined by UFO researcher, I would say, Okay, well, we're already rolling, so let's get into it. Also advocate for the Billy Meyer case, I would say, maybe even goes so far as to saying a representative of Billy Meyer. Now, if there's anyone that is contentious in this space, you know, there are a few names that you can drop and instantly, you know, people will start feuding. And two of those names are Bob Lazar and Billy Meyer. At the end of my interview, as you know, and as the audience might know, with Bob Lazar, we were discussing the Billy Meyer photo, the photo book. And in there, Bob Lazar pointed out, obviously, the sports model or the beam ship, as it's aptly named, that that was a one-for-one match. That was pretty identical, and Bob was kind of blown away. Now, Bob and myself both agree, like, the later stuff is a little questionable. And a lot of people would agree with that as well, and we'll get into all that. But I wanted to, you reached out after that, and I thought, what a great opportunity to, you know, have someone who's basically a spokesperson for Billy, who's been around Billy Meyer a bunch of times, who's been at his sort of institute that he has over there, who's studied all of the contact cases. And there are a lot of contact cases, over a thousand. Oh, the reports. The reports, right. And I've made. I've made, you know, documentaries about it, researched this stuff through and through. So I thought, you know, what a great opportunity to have an expert on this stuff and to help fill me and my audience in on who this character is and why he's so important and why we're talking about him today. So welcome, Michael Horn. Thank you very much, Chris. It is truly a, not only a pleasure and an honor, but it's a rarity, to be honest with you, that an outreach to people that have considerable plans. And interest and knowledge in the field will actually respond to a request to discuss the Meyer material on their platform. It's not that it doesn't or hasn't happened, but it is fairly a rarity. Yeah. So I thank you for that. Well, absolutely. And it's my pleasure. And I'm glad that you, you know, traveled all the way. I know you guys are on the West Coast. You traveled all the way from the West Coast to come here. And so I thank you for taking that journey and trusting me. You know, I guess we can start a little bit for the audience at home who might not be familiar with Billy Meyer. The most famous Billy Meyer reference would definitely be that, you know, poster that appears in pretty much every X-Files episode, the I Want to Believe, the crop version of a Billy Meyer photo. So maybe let's start there. And maybe if you could introduce us to who this Billy Meyer guy is and why. And why we should care about him a little bit. Sure. I'll just start with Billy Meyer is a now 89-year-old man who claims that since the age of five, he has been meeting with human beings from another star system that they have tutored him from that age. That from the age of five, he has gone on board with them and on his own to go designated places, especially. In and around and on the Earth and off Earth, let's say, within our solar system and beyond. I like to say, according to the information in the case, and we can talk about what we think is, you know, proof beyond a reasonable doubt and all of that. So to describe Billy at this point would be to say that after about 22 trips that I've gone to Switzerland, taken to Switzerland. And met with him each time, spent some time, sometimes it's a half hour, sometimes it's an hour and a half. And had an opportunity to get my own sense of the person to try to frankly and quite honestly try to trick him into revealing that he was hoaxing on four different occasions at least. I came away and I each time with a sense that I had just spent time with a very genuine human being. People very often, this is, let's say, a little diversion to say that there are people that write and say, oh, I really want to go and meet Billy. I want to go and talk to Billy and blah, blah, blah, blah. Which used to be more possible in the years past. There have been any number of things that have contributed to Billy's not just meeting with people with that kind of an openness any longer. Some of that reason is threats and attempts. Some of that reason is threats and attempts on his life that have totaled 28 by now. So I say to them, listen, I understand it would be great. I know I sat with a man, we've spoken about things, we've sat outside and had coffee, we've been in the office many number of times. But if you want to get to know Billy, the best way is to enter into the blog or another site that has what are called the contact notes or contact reports. And study them, read them. You will find that this man reveals himself as he's revealing massive amounts of information, tens of thousands of pages he's published so far. And you will be able to determine for yourself more about the genuineness or lack thereof of the person, as well as have the opportunity to spend as much or as little time as you want. reading the content. So, I don't know if that's exactly responsive to what you're asking. I could be more specific and say, you know, I feel Billy is this kind of a person or that kind of person and all, but so many people that do hear about him, that have heard about him, express this, oh, I really want to, can I call him? I'm saying, look, he's a busy person, you know, at this age even. He has a lot of responsibilities. You can realize that from the read, but you can learn more about who the man is from what he's expressed. And the content dates back to 1946 when he was something like nine years old and was publishing information, disseminating it. And when you read things that this man as a boy was publishing. When you're publishing, you're going to think, well, who wrote this for a nine-year-old boy and that kind of thing. So, I don't want to carry on too long. Sure, yeah, no. I think it's very interesting. And, you know, you mentioned that when he was nine years old that he had these, that he was writing these documents and that, you know, some would perceive that to be, you know, someone of a much greater age, maybe 30 or 35 years old. So, the writing level was already extremely elevated for his age at that time. But the interesting thing is when you speak to Billy, when you hear him. When you speak, rather, he doesn't come off as the way he writes. He comes off a lot simpler. Just a very sort of simple worded person. Doesn't look for the most descriptive words or is kind of just very fundamental in how he speaks, very clear and simply communicative. And so, you know, it is already anomalous that you have these papers that are written with such a high level of vernacular versus listening to him speak. Yes, a couple things about that. One, he did, by the time he was nine and ten, as you just alluded to, it is said that he had the thinking capacity of a 35-year-old adult. And he, all this time, until he was about the age of 16, from five to 16, he claims to have been tutored by this man named Svath, S-F-A-T-H, who was at that time supposedly. around 900 years of age. We have drawing illustrations of some of the people. You can see the representation. They look pretty much like we do in this. But it was also revealed in the documents, in the conversations, when Meyer is speaking with some of the modern-day people that he's in contact with and people that he's been in contact with for 50-plus years. So much of what his interactions. And his learning was about that trajectory as a young boy. And it sounds, in a sense, like science fiction. So I'd like to say, according to the information of the case, because there are things that otherwise just seem off the charts. Yeah, took apart. Yeah, it's like, what are you talking about? And there's nothing to believe in this case, literally nothing. And they never ask for belief when I say they, neither Meyer. Nor the alleged extraterrestrials. They speak, and they speak in terms that are, as you said, plain and simple and clear. Clear enough to convey any concepts we need. There are times they will say, in your terminology or according to your science, it's expressed this way. And they said, we don't tend to create a rarefied language that elevates one group above another. But it doesn't mean that there aren't words, even Latin. Latin words can and are used to describe things that are appropriate, especially in your world. But for the most part, we try to communicate what is. And I think, I've said this a while ago, I said this when I was reading something from, I think his name is Douglas Vakoch, and he was talking about when contact takes place, it will be in the language of mathematics. And, you know, kind of showbiz. Kind of talk, I guess, you know, fancy things are supposed to be done that way. And my response to that was, and I sent it to him, we are being contacted and communicated in the language of science, but in clear terminology. You will find that there is an enormous amount of scientific information in this case. We've done our best to vet, as you and I know, when certain things were published. We will. We will look to see, especially if they seem like they have been in the body of information discussed, published, going back to 1975, 46, whatever. We will look to see, is this something that Billy had published? Because I have looked to what I consider to be a higher standard of proof. I know we'll get into the UFOs and all. But I found another way of looking at the. The material to, like, kind of vet its authenticity. And as I've also said, starting to do this back in the 80s, in the relatively early days, you'd say, of, you know, online searching, what have you, I got, to the best of my knowledge, and there are other people that have come forward to also contribute to this. I wasn't the only person doing it, to find out. Because Billy didn't write about everything before everybody else or before all. All the scientists discovered it. To the best of our knowledge, there's a sufficiently large and, what's the best term for that? Compendium. Yeah, a compendium with an unlikely number of confirmed and corroborated items that would exceed chance, probability, hoaxing, etc. When taken, when we take into account that which is known about the man, not just from. His writing, but from the investigative team that spent time over years with him, watching, observing, you know, checking things that he would hand over evidence. So, we've tried our best to see what can we show is authentic. And, of course, we put this all out like other people do who are interested, so that people can determine the truth for themselves. And I like that. I like that about you. Because, you know, we discussed for hours. Yes. And we're going to kind of rehash a lot of that discussion because, you know, part of me really couldn't wait to dive into this. As you know now, I'm a seasoned magician. Like, I have a skeptical nature about the way that I approach every subject. But I'm not a skeptic. I'm open to, you know, a fluctuating level of conviction. I want to be taken in these directions. And I want to be immersed in these stories and see what I can, you know, connect. If it means I have to acknowledge that the photos are authentic. There's a disconnect there. Like, why would I spend all my time reading all this if I don't believe this? Right? And that's fair. And so, for me, it was a little bit of the same at first. But, you know, again, one thing that raised my conviction incredibly was the fact that this initial craft, the one in 1975, I believe, that was taken in Switzerland. The one that, you know, the beautiful composition of this. This photo is immaculate. It's a really beautiful photo. I don't care. Regardless of what you think about its authenticity, it's a beautiful photo. And I'm a big fan of photography and film photography. And it was a really nice framing. And I think that's what made it so iconic, you know, is that there was some beauty to it as well. And seeing that, seeing Bob's reaction to it, and then knowing, getting to know Bob, I have no choice but to, at this point, with what I know from Bob's story. And, you know, I've met the man. And as you know, when you meet. It's a different level of conviction that you can now have. And not everybody has that luxury to meet Billy or to meet Bob. But we've had those luxuries individually, respectively. And we can then sort of formulate perhaps a deeper understanding of the story a little bit better from like a personal sort of level. Yeah, exactly. And so knowing Bob and knowing that this craft is pretty much identical. If not just. In look, but maybe not in size so much, but it is an identical match physically to the other one. And, you know, my brain instantly goes, well, there are, there are only a few options here, right? These are the options that we must consider. One option being, okay, Billy made it up. Bob made it up. That's, that's the first option we got to get out of the way. And a lot of people, that's what they think. And it's fair. You can, you can, you know, go with that. I choose to look deeper to see if there's. There's maybe another option here. Next option would be, okay, the craft was authentic and then the craft that Bob was shown was. like a replica of that, right? Perhaps some Lockheed Martin, deep underground black military project. They were, you know, psy-opping bottles or whatever it is, whatever you want to go to. And then there's, I mean, there's a few more options, but the other obvious option is, well, it's authentic. And so is this. And that's the one I like exploring because to me, this is the one that's filled with the most wonder. And I think it's an interesting path to take. Plus with all the evidence that we have before us, it becomes really compelling. However, we get to a bit of a fork in the road when it comes to the later photos and namely what's known as the wedding cake UFO, you know, aptly named. It looks like a wedding cake. And as someone, you know, as a photographer myself, I have found personally just by looking at it and without having to do any Yeah. deep spectronomy or anything like that, just some imperfections or inconsistencies with reality when taking photos from objects. And mainly due to my background in illusion, there's a forced perspective that simply doesn't work for me. And that wasn't optimized when taking these photos. There's a certain, I'll put it up here, but there's a certain formula that you have to follow when you're doing this type of stuff. And online people like Zach King, I don't know if you're familiar, but there's like a, he uses, um, this type of principle, uh, pretty much in every video and ends up fooling the audience at home. And so there are certain laws that you have to obey. And it seems to me like they were not obeyed in the instances, in some of the instances regarding the wedding cake UFO. So that's where I stopped initially. And I'm giving you the long and I want to hear your thoughts on this, but I also want the audience to know how I feel about it. Cause I think it's important that they know where I'm coming from. That's where I stopped initially, because the skeptic in me is like, well, I'm going to throw the baby out with the bathwater at this point. But then Bob showed up and Bob's like, no, that's it. And now I got to reconsider either that wedding cake UFO is also real or the one's real and the one's fake, right? These are both really interesting options. And, uh, and that's kind of where I was at with everything. And then, you know, obviously looking a little bit more into the contact cases and the contact reports. Now I'm back in because this is very interesting because now we're talking about, like legitimate facts that we can actually look up. And, uh, and I think that's where we're at currently. So I want to go through some of the photo stuff. I want to definitely go through the contact stuff and some of the witness reports from other people around Billy, but then I'd like to end up maybe going a little deeper into, you know, some of the prophecies or some of the, you know, the tales, if you will. Um, so let's start here, the wedding cake UFO. Okay. I want to see as an overriding response, because I am not a photographic expert. Uh, I have mainly focused on researching the information and we could say I'm matching. Is this can match this can? Oh, okay. Now I can report that there are these two cans that match. This one doesn't match. So I am not knowledgeable about how this can match. I'm not knowledgeable about how this can match. I'm not the can was made and when it was i just want to really be clear there are a couple people of francisco velate and chris lock who have written extensively about well the wedding cake craft plus the so-called pendulum ufo and that's the video yeah that's one of the craft in the video there's several films there's eight films remaining billy had taken more they got they disappeared stolen is what we understand but i will say a couple things about the wedding cake craft for instance there is the nighttime series is this object skeptics have said now they've used a model and painted it gold and they photographed it against the black curtain so one of the things that happened when uh chris and francisco were doing their analyses and all and they took one of those photographs where it's pitch black behind the craft and here's this gold thing glowing then it was i in otherwise seemingly identical to the silver craft and they dropped it into photoshop in other words a technology that i am also not expert in and the information is they adjusted they played with contrast and brightness lo and behold object instead of appearing as a model maybe suspended by a string or what have you now appears to be a large object hovering over a graveled road and on that road there is one of those i think they're meter high white posts they appear in different countries in europe where they're marking the roads they have these white posts they're about a meter high best of my recollection and then there's a grassy hillside that curves up behind it now the object is a two photographs one that they did and somebody else did a similar enlargement they took it right off you know the internet and played with it and both of them got the the same kind of uh you know background and both of them also got a kind of an energetic field that seemed to be present i don't know how and why as they say i'm not a high-tech guy i thought that since that was never anything that billy spoke about he didn't say well if you'll do this you'll do this you'll do this you'll do this you'll see it's real never does any of that type of thing he says this is what happened here are the photographs have a nice day you know and he'll answer questions about things or did certainly in the past photographs have been analyzed there's we have analyses online especially of the earlier craft the other thing about the wedding craft a wedding craft the wedding cake ufo is that in the black backgrounded gold object photographs i happen to notice is going back about 10 years or so i don't i've been going to switzerland for 20 years so somewhere in there at home i'm looking and i said wait a minute there's a difference in the configuration in the dimension here on this object where something was like this you know together in this there's a cupola kind of i guess now this has got a different dimension there's a burnished band here and nobody's talked about this why is that so i asked billy i said billy it appears to me that this is elevated here what is that and he says oh yes it's like they have a a room you would say like with the shower it's more space up there they've raised that up so in one of the contact reports billy discusses that with one of the alleged extraterrestrials michael you know came up with this thing i don't know how he knows this but uh and the et says yes well you know of course we have an extra space that is created that way i thought now if a guy's a model maker and i should say that certainly in the earlier days when i i nosed around the property quite a bit to see what do they have here what are their tools and other so i saw there was a shed and the door was open i walked over to see what kind of nice fine swiss watch making stuff billy must have socked away to make these great models well there's a tractor there's a bunch of shovels there's a bunch of different kinds of gardening and i had also been of course in different rooms in this center which is a renovated farmhouse that billy quite literally single-handed since he has one hand uh did a great deal of work on himself before people came to gather around to study this material and to help him on the property i never found anything i was never you know seeing any evidence of anything that was really fine machining kind of stuff the people who were working on the property were really fine machining kind of stuff the people who were working on the property were really fine machining kind of stuff the people who were working on the property were really fine machining kind of stuff the people who were there are people of the land of the earth they drive tractors and they do this stuff and and billy uh just as a side note if i may in observing him and in speaking to people he's about the most knowledgeable person pertaining to the the environment the plants the biology of things where to plant things now he had assistance with some of that planning ostensibly there are things describing one of the extraterrestrials who were working on the property were really fine machining you know there's thousands of pages of stuff so i don't want to go too far afield because i get excited about running down these roads i never and i met the people that were working with them there's a very kind of curmudgeon-y guy there named jacobus i when we made our first film over there i started to refer to him as diesel because this is a guy all the tractor work and you go there and they are busy all the time they're very clever that they have a meeting for the people around the world who want to come and participate late may as spring is coming and all you nice folks can meet each other and help us clear the land at the same time and learn about things and i always wanted to get involved with getting stuff out of the forest and building the fires once i knew that that was an option and i had to do other things the first trip or two go in the garden and pull weeds let's see what you can handle here and there's many things that occurred in these interactions and they're they're sweet memories so my experience was that the people were very grounded. They were genuine. There was none of this, I'm meeting with the space brothers kind of stuff that is ubiquitous in ufology. And Billy is just probably the most knowledgeable person that I know of that I've read. And I'm not the best read person, but this is a human being who knows things and freely communicates them. If you ask the right question, you get the right answer. Nothing mystical there. Hank joined BJ's Wholesale Club the day he became a father of 30. I coach football. Now Coach Hank saves up to 25% off grocery store prices, 30 pounds of pasta, three cases of protein bars, 75 sports drinks. And that's just pregame. He knows teamwork and BJ's knows savings. This is your home, Coach. Home of the Save. Open soon. BJ's, home of the Save. Hey, Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. Now, I don't know if you've heard, but Mint's premium wireless is $15 a month. But I'd like to offer one other perk. We have no stores. That means no small talk. Crazy weather we're having. No, it's not. 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So if I'm recreating an abduction scene or a guy claiming he saw a glowing craft hovering over a highway in 1987, I can generate multiple angles and movements that actually feel like they belong in the same sequence, which is important because I'd prefer that my fake alien footage could at least look professionally fake. Honestly, it's the first AI video workflow I've used that feels less like gambling and more like directing. If you want to try it, links below. Thanks to Higgs Field for sponsoring this video. So going back to the wedding cake UFO, and, you know, there are a few things that I noticed because I know that a lot of your photographic summaries or analysis happened for the ones that were at a distance, not so much the ones that were the nighttime close ones with the little car and the little shrub. Like, those weren't analyzed in this body of work, I think, but we can double check that. Those are the ones that I take the most issue with. And I would say, I wouldn't necessarily think they were painted gold. I think I. Light source. Yeah, because the light source was probably a really warm light. And, you know, by the size of the light source being cast on that object, it would have had to been a massive light source if that craft was 40 feet large or 20 feet or whatever it is, 15 to 20, I think. But regardless, it would have had to be like a football-sized, you know, light shining on that because of the reflective nature. If you have a craft that large with a regular light source, like a flashlight or anything else, you would just have a small spot on it. Now, the idea here is that the craft was emanating that light, which I, you know, I don't see, and I do see a reflection, a lighter part. So, now, one thing does have to be mentioned is that you'd mentioned that Billy was a model maker. Now. No. No. He's not a model maker. But he built models. No. I was looking to see if he did. He had once, as I recall, he had said that he had tried to make a model. I see. And there was some younger people who made some models for him and, you know, that he put in his office. Right. Little things, you know. Because he is one-handed. He's one-armed. He has one arm. And he's very capable. So, it's not like he's not capable. I've, you know, but I've never seen him do any what I would call fine. I see. work. And the other thing about the craft and the light, just to be clear, yes, I think you're correct that if that was illuminated from outside, but what was shown in the manipulated Photoshop application to the photo was an emanation, not of a light source illuminating the craft, but around it, some form of energy thing. And when the early analyses of the originals were done, there are photographs, they used some kind of thermography and detected different heat signatures represented by different colors. You'll understand this better than I will. And we, you know, we have all that. That stuff was done in the 70s with earlier computers and what have you. But this is where when people have come forward to make models. Sure. and they won't subject them to computer analysis, Billy's more subjective. He just turned. Turned everything over. He turned over the metal samples. Yeah. The sound recordings he made on. Out in a big field with, you know, 15, 20 eyewitnesses. And people would come. On one of those occasions, at least people came from four kilometers away because of the sounds that were emanating from above. And, of course, when you see the photographs and all, there's places. They're standing in a big empty field. There's no big speakers. And. As for, you know, a large light, also that kind of a thing, oh, he's taking all these photos at night. Is the guy running around with an. Or a compass is setting up lights and all this stuff? Or could it be genuine? Everybody has to go through that themselves that are interested. I think it's pretty compelling. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it can be debated because there are, you know, especially with the photos where it appears that the craft is really close to the camera. It looks like a smaller object close to, you know, the camera. There's always a frame that's out of frame. There's always a part of the UFO that's not, you know. So if you were one-handed, as it were, you know, might be, you know, put on the automatic timer, hold it there, get your photo. But there is a. There seems to be, especially with the car, I say this one because it's the most, like, striking visually photo that's available in terms of detecting. Yeah, detecting issues. Your brain will automatically, instantly go, that's not real. And that is because there is a ratio that isn't being respected. Like, I know I explained this a little bit yesterday, but when you open up your aperture to, like, F15 or F16, which means there's less depth of field for your photo. So normally, like these cameras now that we're filming on, I think it's at 1.8. And 1.8 is very tight now. It has facial recognition. So if I move back or forth, I'm still going to be in focus. But if that were manually focused, I'd be here and I'd be out of focus. So by putting it to F14, you're now bringing in. You're bringing in actually less light and you're opening it up more. And now we get to see, you know, a wider range of depth of field. And that would be necessary if you're taking landscape photos of a UFO and you can't necessarily focus in. The problem is that the only time an object will be that out of focus when you're shooting, you know, something with an F. So it's not going to be as close to the top of like 8 to 15, 16 is when something is close to the camera lens. And I mean like inches away. And so in this one instance, we have this, what, you know, what appears, well, a car, but it seems incredibly out of focus and does the shrub, but the craft is in focus. So already there's a difference in distance between these two things. But also it gives me the information that this object is very close to the camera. And the only way that that can be is if this object was in focus. If it was a very small size of a toy car, say. And so that's where, you know, that's where I go, okay, to me, I'm, you know, I'm pretty convinced that that was not a genuine, like this was hoax, this photo particularly. Where does that leave me on the conviction of Billy Meyer? Does my conviction go down? Yes. Does it go down all the way down to zero? No. And that's where I come back. Because now we have this photo, this other photo of the craft that can't be debunked. Right. Yeah. Well, let me throw a little stuff in here. Sure. When you are familiar from our film that I was interrogated, if you will, for over a period of about, I guess, five, six months, whatever it was from January. Oh, yes. Three months. And then the fellow returned in August, five months later. This guy was a skeptic. He approached me in a very, very blunt way. It was fine. Are you sure you want to talk about this case? Yes. Why do you ask? Because I think it's a hoax. Oh, okay. Well, let's go. And he wouldn't tell me who he was. And finally, I learned that this was a retired United States Air Force Office of Special Investigation. Wow. Department of Defense case supervisor and investigator or case investigator and supervisor, however that worked. And he came back and he said, I'm going to tell you about your Billy Meyer case. and first you have to look on your email and what do you see? I had opened my email. I said, well, I see a tabletop with a bunch of, looks like citations. He says, can you read those? I said, well, I can see some of those, Air Force. He says, yes. You know, and it was significant. It was literally a tabletop covered and at which I could make out. So I knew whoever I was speaking with, because I only knew his name was Joe at this point, had good credentials. He had access to this stuff. And then he said, okay, now please delete it. And let's go on and talk about your Billy Meyer case. So as I say, I tell the story in the film. I don't want to recap everything. He came to the conclusion and he explained why, and we can talk as much or as little about that as you wish. He said, your Billy Meyer case is 100% ironclad authentic, and I will take on any skeptics in your behalf. And then after he'd taken on a couple of skeptics in ufology, and he said, sorry, retracting the offer, these people don't understand investigation. They literally have things backwards. So I'm going to write you an article whereby anybody, if they will just walk through these steps and the core of it will be means, motive, and opportunity. We can explain how you can go through that. But he also said something else. He said, look, this man knew, maybe still knows, when and where to go, that he will have the opportunity, to shoot at least a whole roll of 35 millimeter photographs. He will be able to shoot eight millimeter films. So we're elevating the complexity of things a bit in certain ways. There's situations where he'll shoot both, and you'll have a video such as in the wedding cake. And he said, he explained that if you have this much evidence, um, it's going to make, make the authenticity of this part of the cases. The logic also being, and I don't dismiss, you've got to find out, did he hoax us? But let's ask ourselves if this man has indeed taken 1200 or so UFO photos, eight films that remain of video, and, uh, they've been authenticated, but also visually by, uh, you know, a former, the late astronaut. Gordon Cooper, the investigators came to my home with these. I know them. We looked at it. It's real. This is, this man is meeting with extra. Okay. It's an opinion. Astronauts are fairly well-trained also in certain aspects. People again have to determine for themselves. But the question is, if a man goes through all that we know that Myers or deals of going out, because a lot of things you have to go over here, it's 40 kilometers from your house. Yes, it's snowing, but just show up at, this time it's daytime, it's nighttime, whatever. And people, yes, there are people trying to kill you. And we know that is authentic, even trying to kill him in his home. So he has to be careful where he goes. Why would he, and let alone how, why would he go to the trouble of falsifying, making some kind of a crazy craft that would really be, oh, can't be real. Why would he blow his, his story here? And that's just a question that I can leave. Now we can speculate and people can say, well, we can speculate. Well, the reason he would do that is thus and so, but the UFO material, as you've already acknowledged that, and I've stated, it's the eye candy. It gets you in or doesn't to looking at the Billy Meyer UFO case, or as I've from the beginning called it, the Billy Meyer contacts. And oftentimes I leave the UFO out of it. I started leaving the UFO out of it in a lot of things starting in 2004, because I had already seen certain information that told me, wait a minute, This is more important than UFOs. Well, how can anything be more important than UFOs and ufology? They're not part of ufology. As Billy wrote, and wrote it even again recently, the UFOs that are being seen around the world, and they have given information on their version of where, how, who, this is not ours because ours are not UFOs. We know what the craft are, and we know who's flying them. It's like that cute, literal, you know, we are Germanic, and we are going to explain this this way to you. Okay, maybe you do, and maybe you don't. But that's not us. We don't do that. And you will not be taking any, no more photographs or films of our craft will be presented because we stopped doing that at this point. And they told Billy in about 1981, 82, no more photo ops. And he says, well, why? Why? Well, you're entering the computer age. And as you will soon learn, if you haven't already, people are already going to call you a hoaxer and a liar and a deceiver and gosh knows what, your life will be at risk. There's no need for it. This is a body of evidence that will be analyzed. The photos, the films, the video, the sound recordings, the metal samples. Here, you will turn them over to the computer age. You will turn them over to the team who will find experts in these areas, and they will determine their viewpoint on all this stuff. Marcel Vogel, a scientist with IBM, was one of those genius types who never, to the best of my knowledge, got some kind of degrees. It's just he, IBM recognized he does this. He can do all this. He's the guy that I believe was creating the coding on floppy disks and all this so that, again, automatically. I don't know. He does a video and he says, basically, with any technology available to me, I cannot make this. This is made in a cold, cold fusion, outer space, something. You're talking about the material. The metal, yes. Because Billy received, allegedly, samples of metals at different stages of manufacture. Okay. And in some of the magnifications, when Marcel Vogel was blowing these things up, hundreds of, you know, magnifications. He could detect laser cuttings that were extremely, I mean, this is, that was interesting to me. There are laser cuttings here. There are things within things. These are discrete relationships of these elements. They're not just blended in as if they were heated in an oven. This has characteristics that should be of interest to metallurgists. This is a different composition. We don't have it. We don't have this. Sound recordings at the time, they couldn't duplicate them. They said, well, maybe we could if we ran, if we had a bank of synthesizers and I'll make that sound recording available to you. It's downloadable. It's great. I, when we, when people get it from us and they say, I want this. I usually say, please don't play this at night with your car windows down in neighborhoods where people are touchy because it's, it's this weaving sound that travels through lots of different places. And people found some interesting things in that too. The Swiss one-armed farmers come up with this thing. It's really just, if you take a string and string it across and vibrate it, you get the same thing. That's what some people say. Of course, the readings that they get. And now PrizePix is available nationwide. PrizePix, run your game. BJ's gas, she gets there for less. Home of the save. Join for just $20 at BJ's.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. I don't know about any of that, you know, and I'd love to have a look and I'd love to have a listen, of course, and I'll feature it here. You know, but this is, again, just like there's so many facets. And components and variables here. I like to, I like to hone in on the one that I find dubious because for me, you know, if there's anything that I can gather from that, I can't, I don't do any audio analysis and I can't tell you where that's from. I can't do any metal analysis or tell you where that's from. But when it comes to photos, I'm pretty good. And when it comes to depth perception and forced perspective, I'm really good at that. And so that's the one that for me stands out. Now, let's put that aside. Let's put that aside in a separate category to, so that we can move forward into another part of the Billy Myers stuff. Because for me, I'm at a point where, okay, let's say on the one hand that this is 100%, this, these series of photos are 100% a hoax. 100% proven. He even admits it. Yeah, it was a hoax. Sorry. All right, let's say we live in this universe. The fact that the earlier ones seem to be real, you know, it makes this a real thing. relevant because now we have something that's fundamental. Real. Now, the skeptic out there will naturally say, well, if this is a hoax, that's a hoax. That's how most people operate. They take one thing. It unravels the whole thing. Let's throw the baby out. I'm a little different. I'm willing to forgive transgressions and say, OK, maybe there was a mistake. You're human, you know, and maybe there's some error that happened here or some slight slip of judgment or, you know, some dark point in your life. I don't know. But maybe there's a reason for that that I don't have all the answers for. But it doesn't take away from these photos here lining up with Mr. Lazar's, you know, depiction of the craft. So once we get beyond this, we go beyond the photos because. Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, there is one thing that should be said so that you and the audience understands. See, and this year, what you're speaking about and speaking of in. This kind of acknowledgement comes close to what Joe Tisk, the USAF guy said. And he said, people don't understand something. And he used an analogy. I think I may have spoken about this with you. But he said, as an investigator, let me use this analogy. There's a man who's been murdered. He's lying on the ground. There's a gun. There's a wallet. I.D. fingerprints on the gun. The whole thing. We've got our man. Except that somebody comes forward with a video taken during the period of time when we can determine that man was dead. Matter of fact. This video, this guy's 2000 miles away at a wedding. And we can prove what we can prove that supersedes this nice evidence here, which otherwise it's a slam dunk from my perspective. That man, his I.D. there, his fingerprints on the gun. He's not there. He wasn't there. Whether or not we can figure out who's placed something that we don't care. We have that man somewhere else. And what people in ufology don't understand is they have it backwards. And this is what he said. One piece of verifiable evidence. You throw out those inconsistencies. If that's you can prove that. Now, that's an uncomfortable thing for most people. In this case, just so people. Might be a tad more comfortable. What you're alluding to when you say this other material that Bob Lazar has looked at. No, there are basically about 580 remaining photographs. The other ones. Let's say the WC UFO. There's 63 photos in the video. So I would say I did as it did say I defer to Francisco and Chris and I hope that you guys are going to have a killer conversation about this and somebody is going to. Come out and say, well, okay, you're right. Whoever that's going to be, or I understand that, or I accept that, or I don't. And it could be him. It could be you. I don't know. I'll be very interested in that. But Joe Tisk made it very clear. And he said, we have not only one authentic photo. We have rolls of them. And I said, as he said to me, your case is 100% authentic. And then he also referred back to auxiliary facts. In the case that he researched that further supported the authenticity. You know, how does this vagabond in India in 1964, which Billy was wandering around with a knapsack, he says, because Billy was interviewed in a prominent newspaper in India and the journalist who interviewed him is looking through an album with 80 UFO photos in 1964. Joe Tisk asks, where did this vagabond. Get 80 UFO photos in 1964 in India. There's no UFOs or us. And you still have at least a dozen of those, which we do. And one of them is phenomenally interesting because it appears there's a hologram in the photo. And Billy had explained it. And it's just, these are primitive taken with an old Kodak. What do you call it? It's a, one of those boxy cameras. The brownie or the, like a Polaroid. It looked like, but it wasn't a Polaroid. You know how they slide out. And I used to know what it called because my father had one. And those things you have to, you know, when you took photographs with that, it's a crapshoot because this is relatively primitive stuff. This is 40s technology. And Billy was taking his photographs at that time in 1964 with this early version of a Kodak. I'll agree. Compelling. Yeah. And then there's the auxiliary things. Well, the woman who was a young girl at the ashram in India in 1964, whose uncle was the head monk, she became the UN, I think, was it the ambassador to the UN or the representative? I always screw that one up. From Cambodia for a dozen years at the UN. Then she retired. She was an eyewitness at the time. Then she comes forward at a certain point in the 90s. And people are saying, hey, wait a minute, Ms. Chang, you were, we've heard about this Billy Meyer UFO case. You were there. Yes. Well, I, no, no, please come forward. And there was another woman who was a tutor of hers. They came forward. They gave a press conference. And she explained where these photographs were taken, that there were a hundred eyewitnesses to them. Wow. And one of the photographs, you see a woman in the photograph with eight, the lights in the sky quality UFOs. The rest of the photographs, they were all clear discs hovering over things. And she just as fluid as possible. Yes, I remember I used to see Billy meeting with this woman, Asket. This was his second alleged contact person. And at times, I was a young girl at the time and Asket would sometimes come into my room at night before I'm falling asleep. And she would hum or sing to me, stroke my hair, brush my hair, whatever. And in the morning I would wake up. I always felt like I knew more when I woke up than when I went to sleep. These are just human beings coming forward with their perspectives. This is the guy who interviewed Billy and said, well, here's this man and he's got this stuff and he tells this tale and he doesn't really want publicity. But, okay, this is real life stuff that precedes by many years, you know, many years, the internet mentality that we have. I want to be a celebrity. I want to be famous. Sure. Billy's a recluse and he's got good reason to stay when people are shooting it. You and Yes and all of that has been documented and I've talked to 14. Okay. I've talked to 14 people. I've talked to 15 people. And the sightings of the people are generally accidental. They're not intended. And I've talked to people who've seen either the alleged Pleiadian people, people call this word Pleiadian that Billy and they invented. There's no such thing as Pleiadians. You can flush that. And they gave that up after a while because they predicted certain things and it came true about all these people that would come forward claiming to be contactees. Okay. You're referring to the Space Brother movement, yes? The Space Brother movement. Okay. Ashtar Command and all this stuff. And there was an, ah, the Ashtar thing is extremely interesting, but I'll wait till you, if you want to get to that. Okay, we'll get to that later. Yes. Now I'm intrigued. Okay. I'm back into Ashtar. Let's go. Should we get to that later? We'll get to it later. Okay. So with all of this, you know, what can you say? Well, the witnesses. The witnesses. Let's talk about some of those witnesses, who they are, how they came about seeing these other beings and these craft. Sure. Well, let's go to the ones that would be most obvious. His ex-wife, who they had a very acrimonious relationship, 30 years of marriage, and then they got divorced. She had. Was one of 17 people that they did, using the technology of the time, voice stress or whatever, they did lie detector tests with the people who. were around him who claimed to be eyewitnesses. And they all passed as being authentic. She was one of them. And also his children. He has three adult children, Atlantis, Atlant, and Gilgamesh. And I don't know anything about Gilgamesh, if she's made any comments, but, oh, pardon me, Atlantis' stepson, Methuselah, is his, these are rich names. Okay. So, Atlantis is featured in one of our films. And it was one of the more compelling and moving interviews we did when we did this film, The Silent Revolution of Truth. He's one of Billy's two natural sons. And he spoke about the difficulty in his life because his father, he was referred to as the son of a spinner, I guess you'd say in German or something. He's a liar and a fabricator. So, they're growing up with that. And as children, they have seen these craft. And they know from his father's activities, before anybody ever came to investigate there, his father's disappearing in the middle of the night and coming back and writing voluminous stuff and publishing information. Starting in 1975, it's getting out in Europe before it's translated into English and people are already interested or attacking him. So, the whole dream or nightmare has begun. And he and his siblings were subjected to a lot of ridicule. And when he speaks about this whole thing, I would just say when, because we were there, my partner and I, Jack, a German guy, and we're filming him. And it's just like, you're feeling what this man is telling you, coming from that emotional place. And just the sense of, oh, my God, what have you done? And it's just like, oh, my God, what have you done? What have you gone through? Because he was trying to, how do I balance all this in real life? And sometimes it is just too painful. So, this wasn't like, well, they came to me and they talked to me and all this stuff that we hear freely floating around in ufology and a million people have these nice conversations and all. He never sees, to the best of my knowledge, he doesn't see them. He sees the ships. He's painted or drawn them as a child. But it's the byproduct of this being a real thing to this family that he and his siblings grew up with. And that was just very touching. It was emotional. And there are other, there's over a hundred eyewitnesses. Some of them are also multiple eyewitnesses. There's eyewitnesses to the beings as well? There were, I think, three or four. Can we talk about those? Because I'm very interested in the beings more than the craft. Yes. And the. The woman I knew, her name was Bruni, and she was either a Swiss or a German. Maybe she was a German. And she described a very unusual thing. And we have it in the film. If I can recall well, we did the film over 20 years ago. And she says, I was walking along and I turned the corner and where the wall is, Billy built this wall, there is this huge man reclining on the wall. Turns out, she says, it was this guy, Danilo. And she talks about learning, ultimately, I think that he was like 15 feet tall. He wasn't one of the people in this Pleiaran group. And there's also smaller people. There's an interesting evidence from smaller people. We may get to that if you want. But she said, at first I was very startled, but he was there and then he disappeared. He wasn't there. And I'm going to. And she's, you know, relating, talking to herself about it. Now you don't get. Any significant content about the people in the sense Meyer's wife had walked in while they were still together into the room where the alleged leader of their race, Ptah, pronounced P-T-A-H, sounds like the ancient god of Egypt, P-T-A-H. He's sitting on the couch and unexpectedly she walks in. He's startled, hits his stomach. She says he disappears. Because usually, all the times, when Billy is meeting with these people, no one is around to interrupt them. There was one experience that was a near fatal tragedy that occurred with one of the Pleiaran being there and somebody making themselves known unexpectedly. But she saw him. Then later on, she changes her story. Oh, no, Billy's making models. He's lying about everything. Investigation was done by people. And at the time, just, you know, you're talking here a detective story. This isn't just everything you start throwing in. Well, what happened at the time? Some people found out when she was divorced from Billy and on her own, suddenly her bank account was increased by five figures in Swiss money. And there were some people that now she was affiliated with who were known skeptics and defamers of Billy. A person. You know, the saying is a woman scorned. It could be a man scorned too. But this is real life. It's unpleasant. Billy didn't have the most harmonious thing. She had thrown things at him like frying pans. And this is just like a man reveals his life. Billy's held nothing back about his life. The things he felt he was, you know, failed at or succeeded at. He ran away from Switzerland as a teenage boy because they wanted to put him into. Juvenile detention center. Well, why? Well, there was a woman who really hated him. There have been people who followed him from childhood. And this woman had grabbed a towel, if I've got this connection right, and started. I don't know if it was wet or what. She started to beat him with it. And he'd had enough. This had gone on since. He took the towel and slapped her around with it. Well, this didn't sit well with the legal system. Billy decides that he thinks he'll take a trip to the French Foreign Legion and avoid. Some consequences, which he did. And he was in the French Foreign Legion for a while. And he recognized that while he was learning how to do certain things that would be useful in the world, he did not want to become a trained killer. And he would return to Switzerland and face the music, which he did. And the story also was that he trudged across the desert, one of the few people to ever walk out from wherever he was centered there. I don't know if it was Algiers or what, to walk across the desert and survive it. There were two men. Two men who were trying to also escape. When they saw him, they followed him. And he had a canteen. And he would sip from it and pretend that it was still full of water when it had already been. And shake it in their faces so that they would want to catch up with him and get themselves across the desert at the same time. I don't know how it all turned out. There are stories here that go on and on and on. Some things, there are witnesses to. Some things, there aren't. But the eyewitnesses. To the craft, there are over a hundred. And as I've told you, I've had three sightings of craft. Very interesting. I want to get into those. Prior to that, there are photos in the picture book that depict a whole slew of people just kind of standing on a hill and behind them in almost like a double exposure fashion. There's like sometimes one craft, sometimes two, where it was said that Semyaze was. The inhabitant of this craft was like teleporting the craft or something. But did the people in the photo see those UFOs as they were there in the sky? Or was this only revealed after the photos were. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't. However, the circumstances of that were also described. And I don't know if the whole story is in the photo book. And you know the photo books in German. But fortunately, as I tell people, the photographs are in English. Yeah. Or read Germans. Right. And all of us can read photographs. So we had in that, there was a man, I don't know, his name was something like Leninger, whatever. When this was set up, when Billy said, I'd like everybody, you know, you folks to come tomorrow to this place, open field and there's trees in the background. And then this man said, I want to, you know, you're going to take photographs. He says, yes. He says, I want to purchase and load the film into the camera. Or you take the photos and I want to take that out and be the one who brings it for development at bare photo. Billy said, that's fine. And that's what happened. That the way it's written, he gave the camera to the guy, loaded it. Billy took whatever, 30 or more photos. There's a lot of photos of that. And like you were describing it, seemingly the craft may be almost in two places at one time, blah, blah. Interesting photos. People are standing in the foreground. This craft is in different locations behind them. And Billy, the story is, had no possession of the film. Now that's not unusual. When the investigators, Wendell Stevens and others, were trying to also figure out if Billy was hoaxing these photos, they, Wendell had a model made at the MGM studios in Hollywood of one of the craft. Now, in today's technology, even if you're going to going to make a model, you'd get a better model, but it was good enough. they took photos and what they did is they would go to locations where billy said this is where i took this i was at this fire pit here and then uh the ship is over here and they said okay let's go there or wherever it was and billy you take photos with your camera and we're going to take photos and we're going to dangle the model so they did a bunch of that and then this is i think this is also in the freely available uh report on the photographs that we have online and they said every photograph the computer would look at and you know you're getting uh this is a model there's no question there's no energy fields around it and blah blah and it's clear you talk about you know depth and all of this and i remember looking reading a little bit about the photo analysis when i first got them from from bill uh not from billy but from wendell and i said i remember something about haze effects at things at a distance i was kind of interested and i never plunged into why the edge of a thing will appear in a certain way if there's a certain haze at distances you if you know what i'm talking about i don't but i remember there was this kind of a thing when they go into the descriptions of what their analysis was revealing and the thermography uh thermographic uh you know effects around the ship or or the ship itself having at the base of it it was a hotter kind of an energy whatever and that's again that's freely available stuff and people who are photographers like you have a go at it if you want and and then you'll understand it better i never got that focused in it yeah like when it comes like thermal thermography they're they're just measuring how hot the light source is not how not actual heat because you would need thermal cameras for that you would need to actually be able to detect heat source where they're probably just looking at where the brightest light source is and how that is dissipating across the craft and to determine if that's the sun and if so uh how big is the object compared to the sun and and yeah sure as i say but even to address like the um the sort of glowing of the craft at night like and um not to go back there but you know there is halation as well that we have to keep in in mind where uh this sort of effect happens if there's a very bright it'll give off a light and if you bring it into photoshop and you know bring it down to see you'll see an aura quote unquote but that might just be uh a natural effect of of um of the of the film itself um or the lens in in this case yeah i do um okay so now that we okay so there's there's been some witnesses um other photographers that's something and i um i'd have to dig into where they came from because i remember they posted photographs taken by somebody that went by the name the pilger or something uh their pilgrim okay the village i don't know um and he was a skeptic who had also sent billy some very nasty stuff and he one day contacts billion says listen may i come and meet with you uh i have some photographs here and billy said of course this is back in the day neighbors no and he said listen i will apologize you know i've been a little harsh but uh i was out in the field the other day or evening whatever it was and i had my camera and i and i took these photographs and i saw this thing he's not the only one there were people who were workers from turkey who are working on the road one man was quite skeptical and quite nasty towards me and he couldn't handle what he saw and he apparently actually committed suicide this is in the there's a lot of this but anyhow in terms of witnesses and things that have happened from that other photographers and the people what they did who they were uh how old they were the time when the photographs were taken or when the sightings were made they're very thorough with that so you can okay um all right let's move on to some of the more sort of prophetic if you will messages that billy was apparently given by these alleged extraterrestrials now just to be clear these beings that billy speaks of are from the pleiades no no not what we see in the night sky because there's no life in the pleiades there's no conditions for habitation oh okay and it is about 500 light years beyond in what would they call the playars and it's an altered time space configuration good luck my explain that you'll understand it better i've just never been able to totally lock in i've got to understand this time space shifted thing no would be much easier for billy just to say they're pleiadian it would be but right well but you know the fact is he knows there's no life that's very interesting he he knows what all the channels don't know right and there's some is there anyone out there who you considered to possibly be legitimate i know we'd mentioned briefly ashtar and the ashtar command and uh you know the whole adamski dan fry you know that whole era in the 50s in the early 50s i mean that was a that was a hot topic a lot of people jumped on that bandwagon everyone from um you know the sort of strangers account with the stranger at the pentagon yeah valiant thor that's right we have so many of these uh encounters there was even a a couple sisters that that had published a something they were taken aboard as well and you know it all seems so i don't know idealistic and not unlike the messages that billy was receiving by the way it is idealistic it is sort of like this logical sort of you know a little more on the love and light side that we you know we see in this uh the brothers the space brothers um but it seems like the 50s especially the 50s but also the 60s and 70s was kind of rampant with this you know i'm from venus i'm here to you know shut down the nukes and and that type of deal is any of that legitimate you spoke about the ashtar command this was one of the more interesting things to me uh early on finding information there and what was explained is that there are at that time there was a race there were beings humans based underneath the great pyramid at giza and uh what was said some of what was said this is a splinter group that actually diverged from the source group that the play are and people came from which was originally in the constellation of lira or lyra however they want to pronounce it lyrans lyrians what have you and these original lyrans were very large people highly technologically developed kind of uh also at the same time star wars on steroids warrior types you know running around because they could doing enslaving blowing things they had a weren't feline by the way no okay fully you get that also if you're out there looking at lyrans and stuff a lot of people like all these the cat people from no lyra okay we're not talking or from the constellation of leo people from leo and orion were uh well it's a separate thing okay so it is said that these people referred to as the giza intelligences or the buffath which was a name that was apparently of their peoples had an agenda they had very high technology and they uh would like to participate in slaving everybody in the planet they weren't large enough in numbers they had numbers but nothing that could you know overwhelm us so what they were going to do is create a false second coming they had uh a technology whereby in a form of telepathy it's called tele-nautic they could beam uh through existing radio tv wires you know any telegraphs telephone they could beam frequencies and direct them towards certain persons so it said and they had 745 or so uh important political and religious leaders under various uh influence let's say influence chart could influence them and they were also people who could influence and did influence a group called the tula society to t-h-u-l-e society so what happened is these people uh recognized at a certain point point in part is that billy meyer was someone on the planet that uh would be an obstacle to their agenda they knew that he was meeting with let's say the lighter side of the player the player and uh they engineered some attacks on his life there's some photographs of evidence for people can look and decipher themselves there was one particular event where during a holiday season i think it's in august in switzerland where there are cannons that are shot off in the you know billy's living up in the i guess it's called the zurich highlands or something and it's a very rural area and hills and valleys and all churches and what have you. So the plan they had at this time was to eliminate him. I'm going to leave that for a moment to explain the interaction that he had that was very connected to the Giza intelligences. And this was with his. These are all in his contact reports, by the way, what you're saying now. Yeah. Okay. I got some follow-up questions here because that's, you know, obviously as soon as we talk about pyramids and under the pyramids, now we're touching on something that a lot of people talked about recently, but was obviously talked about years ago by Billy. 1953. And it is interesting, as you say it, because there's a lot of information. He published that. It was one of the earlier things that I had access to that had me riveted. He's underneath. So what the story goes, his second contact person, after 11 years of being tutored by Svath, Svath is going to pass out of life. And he says, you will meet your next teacher. She, and blah, blah, and, you know, okay, female. And she's more advanced in knowledge than I am in certain things, he says. And she will guide you for the next 11 years. So sure enough, he passes away. And shortly thereafter, very quickly, he hears a woman's voice speaking to him in his head and the arrangement for them to have their first meeting is made. No. And she is indeed, she's giving him prophecies about things and predictions as early as 1953. She tells him about the assassination in America of two brothers who will be running for president. The date that it will happen, John Fitzgerald Kennedy will be killed in Dallas, Texas on this day. And there's information about that assassination a bit. And then the assassination of his brother, Robert Kennedy, and then a whole laundry list of kings and people who, she unloads a lot of stuff on him. And that's published. And she's going to be a part of that. You can look at it. Published before the assassination? Yeah. I mean, yes, he gets all that and he's taking it down. Now, I've got to double check the actual dates of publication on it. And people can say, well, if you can't prove it was published. But I mean, if you can. Yes, if you can. Well, we can. I mean, that's interesting. I'll pop it here. I'm jumping for a reason to address this point. In 1987, Billy is given something called the Henoch Prophecies. Version of Enoch, or at least the way the play are pronounced it. And in there, there's a lot of predictions about things that have subsequently happened. Well, how do we know he didn't backdate this? After all, it's in German, supposedly in 87. But the first English is in 2002, I think. And it talks about the destruction of the World Trade Center. But that happened in 2001. He could have backdated it. And I go, mm-hmm, sure, he could have. But? We have to look a little deeper, don't we? We have this document, this entire document, with all these things. It's like 300, I think, specific things. Now, one of the things that jumped out for me, and I'm deliberately jumping here. If these people exist, they're not stupid. They understand. And they deliberately, even according to them, do certain things that will not be. You can't just, darn, I can prove that for sure. Certain photographs, what? But that's done. And that's, maybe the WC UFO might be there. So, the destruction of the WTC by terrorists in 2001 is in there. We also have a couple other earlier things than 2001. 1989, he's also told, again, terrorists will fly airplanes into these buildings. There's a conversation with Quetzal, one of the other ETs. Man, that's a terrible thing. And he says, yes, there will be 3,000 people or so that will be killed. Okay. But the 1987 document, the earlier mention, how? Well, I noticed that there was something in there about the Russians moving their troops to Arkhangelsk in northern Russia, Siberia, in preparation for their attacks against Scandinavia. Oh, that's rather interesting. So, first of all, why would Russia be attacking Sweden, Norway, going back, and here's from the 80s. Of course, we're told that this document actually was created thousands of years ago by the prophet Enoch, Enoch. Okay. Well, but what, and at that time, I'm, Quetzal says, I'm giving you the names of things that are, what is referred to in this document, because there was no Russia by name. Okay. He says, wait a minute. I'm looking at this, why these attacks? Well, that became clearer within the last, let's say, two years. Why? Norway, Sweden, Finland, all joined NATO, inviting NATO to these borders and coming in. And when you start reading regular news about Russia and NATO and Scandinavia and all this stuff, you start to see that there's a lot of things that we, well, that's kind of interesting. Well, it became more interesting when in 2011, Russia moved and created bases in Arkhangelsk, military bases in Arkhangelsk. 2011 was also a year in which I went and visited Billy, and we were making a film where we have like 50 of these prophecies in the film. I may have given some of these prophecies before, but it was a lot of work. And it was a lot of work. Spend some time after the main filming of questions and answers and all, he talks about, oh, yes, the Arctic. I don't know if this is official yet, he says, but there's going to be the vying for power and control at the Arctic. And eventually he says that, well, Antarctic, but at the Arctic, Russia, Canada, the US, China, or Great Britain or whatever, all these countries are going to be pushing for, or control of mineral rights. He goes on and on. The film clip, you see him. He keeps saying, I'm not sure. We have to check if it's official yet. No, it hadn't happened yet. But in 2011, the Russians had moved their troops there. And that is when, within a year's time, I had sent the information to a man I had known for 50 years, physicist, physician, retired, who did not believe this case that I was involved in was even remotely real, although he allowed himself to be interviewed for a film I put out in 2012, just generally speaking about extraterrestrial life in the universe. Yes, speaking as a physicist with these things, if these are present, there's no reason why they wouldn't be present to some degree. He carries on about certain elements that a human being would be required to have. But then after I send him this information, he says, bring your camera. I have to change it. I have to change it. I have to change something here. Because he had thought that Billy must be like crazy person. And he said, he goes and says, Billy Meyer is not a schizophrenic. He's not a crazy lunatic. He says, I was in the American military. And I was stationed overseas. And we flew flights over this area, reconnaissance. It's under cloud cover for a great part of the year. And he says, what Billy is saying here is a strategy. He says, most people don't understand the Russians. But this would make sense in terms of a staging area, not only for Scandinavia, but to come through Alaska, come through Canada, come into the U.S., if they were going to come across the frozen straits, whatever there. And he said, look, watch what this man is saying. This man is about peace. And he's saying things that our military, our government should listen to. And he's not a dangerous person. You know, he just, he did a 180. And this is a guy who really, you know, gave me the, it's nice to see you after 30 years, but what are you doing with this stuff? So that was his take that was based on his experiences in the area where he thought strategically. Oh gosh, why didn't, I wonder who, okay. So Billy then does this thing about the mineral rights and within the, well, recently in the past couple of years, within the past two years, for sure, there has been this stuff in the news. As a matter of fact, that attracted the attention of a man named Clayton Morris in the U.S. who has a show redacted, who had interviewed me a couple of times on Billy Meyer's evidence and all this. And he started to look into this material and he puts out a clip saying, you know, about the, this, by the way, Billy Meyer, Billy Meyer wrote, wrote about this. It's, it's copyrighted. It's texts or the internet. I'm going, okay, Clayton, keep going, you know? And as he had, when the thing with the pyramid came up and he's talking to a guy who was talking about the research, they found, you know, this great spaces underneath the pyramid on, and Clayton says, well, Billy Meyer wrote about that in 1953. Let's talk about that again. Cause we, we, that's where we started. Yeah. We jumped around a little bit, but let's get back to that. There was this secret faction in the seventies, - Yes. - That was under the pyramids, that was kind of Kind of a de facto from the Pleiaren and sort of this like darker version of them that wanted to enslave mankind. They're living under the pyramids currently controlling world leaders or manipulating them, influencing them. So what happens there? Ah, yes. This is where the juice of the matter. Thank you for bringing me back to that. So Asket and Billy, I think it's Asket being the new teacher. New teacher. OK. Our sheet picks him up and they go to Egypt. They leave the ship and they go to the pyramids. And somehow she knows where this entrance is that goes. You can walk way deep down. But they also had devices that would render them not visible out of phase with our visual spectrum. And maybe they were not communicating. Past the point they entered, from what I understood, they were communicating strictly telepathic, you know, conversations telepathically. And this is something that Billy supposedly was capable of doing since he was taught by Svath as a child. OK. So they're walking down these steep corridors, stairs, corridors, staircases and all. And he says, we had to silently pass by these beings that were standing there, armed. Kinds of things. And Asket's explaining that they're not people. These are robotic guards and they would kill anything that could come down there. That's how they were programmed. And they finally get down into the belly of the beast, so to speak. And I think it was one to two kilometers below the pyramid. And he says, we enter this huge room, a space very high and big room that has been somehow created under the ground here. And in this space. There is a large craft. There's a large what we would call UFO or spaceship or what have you. Huge and smaller craft. And then Asket directs his attention to a kind of like a stage or a platform that extends for little ways because on it has enough space for what Billy is saying. Oh, my gosh, that's the cross of the crucifixion. And there is the spirit of destiny, the crown of thorns, the bloody nails. These are the artifacts from the crucifixion. And she says, no, they are not. They were made by these people. But if your scientists on Earth would test them, they would carbon date to that period of time. She says, you know, certainly the crown of thorns, the crucifixion, the cross of the crucifixion, which was not this. It's a Y-shaped cross. This is explained in the material how that crucifixion actually worked at the time. But that would be already turned. To dust, you know, more than likely. Now, there's wooden artifacts that have survived, but they're saying, no, that one would be gone because of the whatever time, the way people would treat these things at the time. And that is evidence that would be called up by a man named Reinhold Schmidt. I think it was actually O. Reinhold Schmidt, Reinhold O. Schmidt, who was, quote, unquote, a corn merchant from California who has been under the telenotic control of this buffath. He believes he's been on the board of craft, which he has never been, because they create what are called real visions. And Billy was explained and demonstrated what real visions are. He's described this. It's like, oh, well, how did we get here? Suddenly she says, we're not really where you think we are. This is a real vision. And to all appearance. Through the perceptions and senses of the human being, they would be in a given room or out somewhere in a space, and everything would be very real to them. But they would be sitting somewhere under a complete, we could call it hypnotic, it's telenotic control until they're brought out of it. They could be given information. This is what's being done. Like a Manchurian candidate type. High tech, real high tech. And at a given point in time. And the intention was that this man would come forward. He would have been implanted with information. People will love that word, I'm sure. Because in effect, what other word could we say? He would fully believe this. He would be able to say things and present evidence and produce the artifacts from the second coming. Because the agenda here was to bring people, human beings of earth together under one religion, world religion control. So these. These people, the Bafath had that agenda. That was the thing. And they wanted to get rid of Billy Meyer fast forward to a holiday in August, sometime in maybe 25 years later, because this Billy's learning all this stuff in 53. Now we're about 78 or 75, whatever it is, when they're having this event in Switzerland, the cannons are going off and the Bafath had put a ship in motion towards the center. The farmhouse. The Billy renovated where everybody lives and works from. And above it, though, because the Pleiaren knew this was coming, they have screened from visible or any form of detection, one of their crafts right above the center. The Bafath craft comes over and they're synchronizing to when a cannon goes off in the valley, they're going to send a sonic attack beam down to hopefully detonate, blow up a water heater, whatever, something. The place would. Be like exploded and everybody in there, including and especially Billy, would be killed, except what happens is that the blast from that. Goes down that umbrella, that bell that the ship is, you know, letting it flow down and hits the ground. Now, technically, at this point, the Pleiaren have been attacked and they are non-aggressive, but they defend themselves appropriately, depending on the nature of the situation. passed, occasionally showing off a little bit. And he was told at a certain point, or he knew. What do you mean, that he had telekinetic ability? Yes. Billy did. He had a lot of abilities. Really? According, I mean, this is for, you know, this is the stuff that dazzles people. Yeah, this was sort of, well, I mean, obviously it bedazzles people because I think it. It has to be out there. I mean, it's completely magical. Like why, how, how would that occur? Was he bestowed ability or? He earned his ability. For instance, there was a woman who said something about Billy was over here in the house sitting. That was something she determined. Here he is. And she said she went out and walked out back and he was sitting there and he had not passed her. He did some of this, some little tricks for people occasionally early on because he could. But that was, he had to not. Do that past a certain point and let's, I mean, Billy's got some kind of abilities. One of the more recent assassinations, he steps out and he sees somebody and he stands there and a bullet comes and he had put a water bottle in a shirt pocket and he stood there apparently and the bullet hits them. It doesn't, he's, it's like Billy is an unusual human being. Who has had the most painful, you have your arm ripped off your body and all of your teeth smashed at the same time and you're delirious for 30 days because they amputate what's remains of your arm without anesthetic and, and you're walking around shooting into the air at imaginary things. And yet you've been able to, as a child, be taken and shown things and allowed to be in a craft to on your own to go places and. Stories, oh, can't be. Okay. But is it about proving that or do we, like you said, if this stuff, this could stop many people over here from going any farther into the material. This could, some people would just go, wow, I want to know more, you know, and bypass it. This is what it is. It is what it is. And it's up to each person to decide with at the current counting 928 times. It public contact reports. Yeah. For the public. Many others that just private information between him and them. And when you go through what they did was so clever in these reports. And I saw this early on. They not only number each of these contact reports meeting. This is our official meeting 928 contract report. They number every sentence that the extraterrestrials speak. Why? Ryan Reynolds here from it mobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for $15. A month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities. So do like I did and have one of your assistants assistants switch you to mint mobile today. 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Then it gets to English and Italian and other languages. Every contact to 15 sentence one sentence one. You can also reference like if you have a question, be like, wow, see section 115 of whatever. Yes, that's all there, too. And, you know, it's like people said, well, he's backdated this. And I said, that's why when I come back to the Henoch prophecies and the WT. See, oh, it'd be easy to say, well, he backdated it because that happened in a year earlier than the first English publication was. Yeah. But what about the information about Russia moving its troops to Arkhangelsk? And what about one of the final items in that whole prophetic argument about in the future? Switzerland, the land of peace and neutrality, is going to make a big mistake. They will abandon their troops. True neutrality. And align themselves and work with the U.N. and or NATO, which will open them to being ultimately attacked and invaded by the powers from the east, meaning China and Russia. When those things happened, while Switzerland will be very safe for a long period of time. But no, this is and they published that book, I think, in 2004. It's in there. and all these things that you can go through and go, wait a minute. And there's other things that weren't necessarily so glamorous here and there, but they were foretelling events, and those events have occurred. Do you think there is a sense of, like, confirmation bias here where there is so much literature that you can, and I'm asking because I know this will be asked and this will be mentioned as well, but because there is so much literature in these thousand or so contact cases or contact reports that you can kind of cherry pick, you know, because it would seem like, you know, I'll give you a practical example of this. You have these fake mediums on television. Yeah, exactly. And what they do is that they'll hit you with a bunch of facts, they'll hit you with a bunch of, like, keywords, buzzwords, buzzwords. And they'll throw things out there. Yeah. And when something clicks, then they go down that road and they go down that road. And in retrospect, you look at this and you go, oh, my God, they were right about this, this, this, this, this. But what about? But then you forget all the misses, right? You forget all the things they were wrong about. And that's part of, like, human psychology of our brains and its ability to pattern match, right, and to recognize connection. And so do you think that there's any of that? Like, have you ever found stuff in his report? That you thought, oh, this is completely, utterly wrong. Like, 100%, like, false. Is there anything in there? No. But it doesn't mean it's not there. Let's just be honest. Yeah, but you've not come across that? See, the process for me, after I immersed myself into really reading and then rereading everything I could get my hands on because of a couple instances that jumped out at me after I had the, you know, UFO book where, you know, the 1800 pages that had been given to me by a guy actually who created a false career pretending he was an Andromedan contactee. Wonderful. Yeah, oh, great. I mean, muddy the waters, you know. I'm now Alex Collier. Wait a minute, I thought your name was Ralph Amigron. No, I'm an Andromedan contactee. Is that why all of your predictions, every single one of them are wrong? Okay, we'll leave that for the moment. For an hour or two, whatever you want. But here's what happened. And we're not offending all the Andromedans out there, just the one. Just the one who, yeah, he's probably more from Orion. So what happens here with this material, and it's fortunate that everything is numbered, what they say, because you can get these reference points. Oh, I kind of remember it's in this kind of paper somewhere. All right, so what happens for me, and it still happens, something appears in the news. A couple things appeared in the news recently, one that appeared in the news. I'll just use it as an example. Because I had read it, and I'd never noticed this news prior. Maybe it was never of interest to me, or it didn't appear. Back in the day, I guess it's, I'm not even sure of the exact date that the first, and I'll know after this, I'll say, oh, I should have said that. But there was a conflagration in the Falkland Islands, right? Argentina and the UK had a dispute about it, and all this stuff went down. The Falkland Islands. Well, it came and went in my memory, you know, knowledge banks, if I ever knew it at the time. But the interesting part about it was that subsequent to, I think subsequent to the conflagration, or it's going to have been before it, in 1982, Billy gives a radio interview with an English-speaking man on a Swiss radio. Radio station, network or something. The guy sounds like an American, perhaps. It could have been some other. But at the very end of this thing, and we have all this online, so people can hear it. He asks Billy about the potential for a third world war. And Billy at this time is speaking pretty good English. This is before he had also an accident where he had a brain injury that he, I'll stick to the story. So here in 1982, and he's pretty good, although he gets confused. few words mixed up, he does. And this, he is asked, well, about a third, and Billy says, yes, that is going to happen. It cannot be avoided. It's certainty. It's a prediction. And this is pretty early on. And the guy says, well, Billy, can you tell us more about who's involved? He says, well, I don't know if I should have. He says, let us decide about that. Just tell us what you know about this. And I'm trying to remember the sequence. He says, well, it's going to be the big attacks, a conflict between the UK and Russia. And other countries involved will be Iran, Israel, Iraq, and the Falklands, the Falklands, 1982. So within the balance. About the last week to 10 days, there was an article that passed something in the American news about Trump. There's some issue. He's got an issue with NATO. And there's something about the Falklands has come up again. I'm going, oh, my gosh, it never stops. Point being here, things that those of us who've been researching this material, you can't remember everything, but there are things that when something comes in the news that seems like, isn't there? Now, I have also gone to look. I think this must be in the. It wasn't. But I've. You found the interview. Yeah. Nothing. Well, no, it's more like there may be a discovery or an incident somewhere. And it seems to me, oh, I'll bet you Billy had foretold that. No, he didn't. But then I start to see the things that we've gathered. And I think we're over 250 to 300. It's specific error-free examples. In other words, when something can be evaluated for accuracy, let's just say that something comes up and Billy's talked about it, but what comes up is completely contrary to whatever he predicted. Sure. And I have to go, well, that's a miss. Or how did he get that so wrong? Well, he's a human being. Yeah. It seems to be that the things he's foretelling, at least the things that you've noticed have been accurate. Yeah. Here's one. In 2006, I'm in Switzerland standing and talking with Billy. And I said to him, the question is almost exactly this. Billy, fundamentally, was the Iraq war about oil? I'm leading. Of course he's going to say it was. What does he say to me? He lifts his finger. Fundamentally, no. It's about your dollar. Things go a certain way. You may as well roll cigarettes with your paper money. He's just riveting me with it. Well, I don't know at the time what the hell he's talking about, but I put the video up. It's up there from 2007. I posted it. And I've been watching the trend economically, the petrodollar, everything that's going on now in the world now is helping to, let's say, negatively influence the value of the petrodollar. On top of that, as early as 46, 48, his teacher, and he's written this all down and there's numbers, is talking about how a megalomaniacal Hitler-like dictator will arise in the U.S. who will be just full of himself, an incompetent leader who will cause great trouble in the world. And in his delusions of grandeur himself, he will start to make trouble. And he mentions Persia, China, Russia, and other countries. He will threaten them. He will create problems in the seas and barricades and tariffs, foolish, illogical tariffs to punish people. There's a lot of this. When was this written? 46. In 1946? Yeah. 46. Yeah, it's 46. 46 and 48. And he was talking about things like this. Absolutely. I mean, it does seem to pattern match, obviously. But I would also say that if you're speaking to these beings, and these beings are telling you these things, which do sound prophetic, like in the sentence structure, I mean. They have a generalized tone to them. It's like, there will be this person. Yeah. You know, but why don't you just name names? They do. If you're that certain, why don't you just say, oh, well, Donald Trump is the guy, or like. There's a reason for that. What's the reason there? Look, let's say they publish that the guy's going to be a year old, whatever it is. They're going to then start influencing people in a direct way where they are going to interfere. Now, they also know that this is going to be obscure, and not that it's esoteric, but it's going to be-- Disregarded, for the most part. For the most part, it's going to be disregarded, ridiculed, and everything else. They did in the earlier days, in the '70s, for instance, they would tell him the names. They gave him the names of kings. This king is going to be assassinated. This man will be assassinated, and they will think it's from this, but it will-- And they gave names. Yes. But it will be the Israeli Mossad. They said it. They said their secret service, which like many times, has been and will be behind troubles in your world, they will cause trouble here. And they say, in retaliation for the terrorism of the Israelis, there will be terrorism from the Hamas and the Hezbollah. So that is not to say that those don't produce terrorists. It's just, we could say, because in this material, and this is something that got me early on. When I read it early on, when they were speaking about things, I literally thought, wait a minute, are these Nazis from outer space? They're pretty anti-Israel. No. They're-- I don't-- I guess you could say, but what-- because they tend to speak in a factual way for the most part, including about things. Billy can get very powerful. Yeah, they're not against the people. They're just against a situation. Yes. And about-- against those who are part of the population who will do these things. And they sometimes go to pains to say, this is not about all of the Palestinians or all of the Israelis, but it is that faction that has this agenda and that will bring, you know, no peace to the world. If you were-- Some type-- the thing is, like, I mean, obviously people are going to jump to this as well, because this is where my mind's going, I feel like. But like, if you were being given prophetic messages and you believed these messages to come from extraterrestrials, do you think that there is some type of world where he is being sort of fed information from terrestrial means that are like psyoping him? Because all of these things seem like, you know, someone's agenda. They're like, "No, these guys are the bad guys." "These guys are the good guys." "You got to side with these guys." "You got to watch out for this." No, it isn't put that way, because-- and this is where I was saying on the-- are these Nazis from-- not from that, so much as the earlier material where they talk about the histories of different peoples. And these people did this, and those people were doing-- back long ago. This is Switzerland right after Nazi Germany. And he's getting messages saying, like, we got to watch out for Israel? Is that like-- Well, but he also-- Because it seems a little close to home. It could be. And some, you know, the people can feel sensitive about that, but they are equal opportunity offenders. I mean, really, this is what I did come to learn. Because also, when they start talking about things like America is behind most of the problems of the world and the terrorism that has emanated from their seeking hegemony, worldwide control as it's been since the inception of that country. Whoa, that'll set you back on your heels. But they've also described the origin of the Israelis and they've gone to, you know, Israel. Israel is to say they never were a people. They were peoples who came together under the influence of an extraterrestrial whose name was known then as Jehovah. And they had information on a lineage of extraterrestrials, Aros 1 and Aros 2 and Jehovah and other names. And many of these were connected with the Giza intelligences. So people, I understand the tendency, people will jump on a thing. I jumped on things. And then I read more and I read more and I read more and I started to see the balance here. This, I'm getting the intention here is that we dig into learning about our world, not just what the people are, what we're getting through the news. I mean, nowadays, more people are asking questions, but even in our country, we don't get certain news that you may get in Switzerland or you may not get in Switzerland. And so, you know, you may get in Morocco or you may not. We all know there's manipulation and what they have foretold about what's coming, the manipulation when Billy in 1958 speaks about first America and then the EU, which didn't exist yet in 58, will biochip every man, woman, and child on the face of the planet to control. So well that their every movement to the meter, to the inch, can be determined and controlled. 1958? And when he, in 1958, also says that the people, that things will develop so that the people will lose their ability to determine the truth. Their eyes will no longer be able to know if what they're looking at is real. It will be so effective, the deceptions. I mean, we had George Orwell as well, you know, speak of similar things. He was not the only person. Isaac Asimov. And like, we had like a lot of literary sort of giants talk about these concepts. People who had foresight and forevision about things. And it's just that the volume, specificity, and so far, error-free, unfortunately. I don't see that. Now, there's a one. What was her name? Her name, Baba Vanya? Blavatsky? No, Baba Vanya. Oh, yeah, the prophet. No, it wasn't the prophet. Yeah. Edgar Cayce, who had certain abilities. And Billy had said Edgar Cayce was a genuine seer. It was an interesting form of a kind of a schizophrenia whereby only in this state, when he'd go to sleep or whatever, he could see. And his specialty, I think, was mainly medical things, mainly. And some things he got very right. He was very right about, you know, many things. He had this ability. So Meyer, it's not like I'm the only one who can do these things. He even said that with Nostradamus, he says people don't interpret correctly. Some of the things that they think either have happened or are happening are still futural with Nostradamus' prophecies. And when you see, when you get into reading, when Billy starts opening up and starts teaching about things, you go. Oh, okay. I think after maybe the eighth or tenth read, I'll get all this together because this is, there's obviously, this is logic. I don't recognize what this information, there is another level there. Now, there are people that are, you know, we have people that contribute to our blog. I think they're smarter than I am easily. And that they're so, so erudite and so able to reference so many things that when we post a blog. Post contact report or something, they've got that encyclopedia. And it's terrific because some of the things I say, oh yeah, I know that. I don't remember that. I never even read that contact and all. Thank goodness, so many people can source on this. And that's what makes it so interesting because they also see these aspects and the reasoning why something, well, this makes sense now, why they would have told him that at this time. Look at this in light of that. Okay. I'm following. And I think it's definitely interesting and worth, you know, looking into more specifically to, you know, try and at least find some inconsistencies like, and therein, if you can't, then, hey, that's even better. You know, what I would also say is that like, there are similar prophetic sort of very in-depth intellectual and stimulating. Ontological, philosophical messages that have been given through, you know, other channels specifically. And I use that term very specifically, but, you know, raw contact or the raw material, these things, they speak similarly about things. And recently there was a documentary about Puharich that came out and, and sort of, you know, the nine and the teachings of the nine. These were the, the, the nine people that he had, which were channeling these. Oh yeah. These beings. These beings or whatnot. But the, the messages seem to all coincide. They're not, they're not conflicting on very many things. They're pretty logical and, and for the most part, coherent and friendly and, and understandable. But yesterday we spoke about, you know, we had, I had asked you like, why Billy? Like what's going on here? Why, why not? Why won't, why won't Pata or Samyaze or any of these beings just. Come to the podcast, come sit down, have a chat, let the world know. No one's going to believe him anyway. So what's the harm in it? Right. And, and then you, you said, well, Billy was special. Now, I don't know if you've heard, but Mint's premium wireless is $15 a month, but I'd like to offer one other perk. We have no stores. No, it's not. It's just weather. Home of the save. Open soon. Limited time offer new members only. BJ's home of the save. Well, there kind of is with him because you had said that, you know, he follows like this sort of long lineage of prophets and, and that they've delivered these messages to, you know, all of the. He's like the seventh one. Seventh and final person. Seventh and final person, right? So there is this lineage of almost royalty. Like there is, there is the chosen one aspect to this. We're leaving something out. Let's say somebody's quote unquote, there were in this material, if I correct, there was a few other people potentially who could have done this gig possibly. Um, I think there was one or two. There were a few who were made aware of it somehow who declined it. Some who may have died, whatever. So here's, this guy is, you know. Who were the ones before? I don't know the name. Now, possibly it, because they didn't name who the woman was, but I think it could have been Madam Blavatsky. Possibly. But who, who were the ones prior? Oh, the prior. Yes. Well, you've got Enoch or Hennoch, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Immanuel. Well, we'll get back there. Muhammad and Billy. Now, this will drive some people crazy this way and the other way. So we know about, we've heard about Enoch, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah. But let's also just for a moment stop before I answer the rest of it and say, you know, choosing back. We are in a world that since the early prophets and probably before, anybody that stood out a little bit in a certain way. It's not like the. They are going to treat them especially kindly because they are going to come with material and information that isn't going to be welcome or there's no reason for them to come. Immanuel was crucified. That's the name of the man, according to the Meyer material, the real man who was falsely named Jesus Christ. Now, OK, wait a minute. So we go 714 Isaiah. And his name shall be. Called Immanuel, not Jesus. Well, what about the New Testament? Matthew 123. Immanuel. How's that? Well, Billy Meyer, along with a Greek Orthodox priest, I think it's about 63, 64, right in there. Telepathically, our lid story goes. The outskirts of Jerusalem, there's a hillside, a burn or a hillside. And at the base of it, there's a hole in there. Now, Billy knows that this is something he's long been informed he will be involved with. The man that he is with is named or called Isa Rashid. He speaks some Middle Eastern languages. He also can read and write Aramaic and German. Hmm. Interesting. Billy kind of knows where this little hole is going to be. And they had brought flashlights and the tools to dig. And they dig their way in. Turns out. To be an ancient tomb from all appearances. They're familiar. Yeah. This is a tomb. And there's stones on the floor. And Billy says, we unearth until we find certain things. They start. Doesn't take them all that long. They find resin encrusted, animal wrapped, animal skin wrapped scrolls written in Aramaic. These are sheets of, I guess. Papyrus, I don't know what they, but there's, they're considered scrolls. They're written in Aramaic. Billy does not read and write Aramaic. He knows what Isa is here for. And he says, okay, you will take this and translate, please. And send me the translation. Isa Rashid says, I'm on it boss or whatever. And off he goes. Billy goes back to Switzerland. And within about five or six years, something like that, he gets the first third or so. So of this overall, document. And Isa Rashid said, look, I've translated this much of it, but there are some powerful people in Jerusalem who know that I've got something of interest. I'm taking my family. We'll take the scrolls. We've got to get out of here. Story goes that he, you know, includes in there, I will get in touch with you as soon as we are safe. They travel and they get into Lebanon, into a village in Lebanon. And there is a kind of, it's a refugee village or something. They have been invited to a home somehow. They sequester the scrolls in a wall there for safety. Within one week, the Israelis pick up all the refugee villages, that one to raise to the ground, burn, destroy every week. Rashid and his family get out with their lives and the scrolls are gone. Oh, this has got the makings of a conflict, doesn't it? Billy doesn't hear from him further until something happens. And a few years later, I think it's around 74, he learns that Isa Rashid has, and his family have been machine gunned to death in Baghdad, ostensibly by the Mossad. But Billy has received all of this stuff in German. Now he gets about as an editor, trying to make sure everything is lining up editorially. And he discovers, later more, that Isa Rashid had changed certain things based on his own religiosity. There were certain things in here that didn't fit with his beliefs. This is, you know, if this is not easy Space Brothers stuff, human beings, wherever they're involved, things can and will get screwed up. Yeah. As it probably already has with the Bible. Oh, for sure. Well, all that stuff is written post events and changed, manipulated. So we said, this is really about the real man whose name was changed to Immanuel, from Immanuel to Jesus Christ. We've got the Old Testament, one mention, Billy didn't put it in there. Another mention in the New Testament. So this attracts the attention of a man named James Dierdorf, professor of comparative religions, Oregon State University, and also, I think it's, uh, meteorology. And he said, oh, I just heard about, oh, Bible hoax. Let me at that one. And he goes and he digs into it year or year, whatever it is, comes out with a publication, his own book called Celestial Teachings. And according to what he was saying early on in the book, this Talmud Immanuel is what it gets called, resolves over 350 inconsistencies in the book of Matthew, 150 of which were not even under discussion at the time this was published. And he says, I've gone through this, and he has, shows you line by line by line. It says this in Matthew, it says this in the TJ or Talmud, you know, it gets called the TJ, sometimes extremely similar, almost other times, not, there's differences. And they tend to be, as far as a biblical scholar is concerned, important differences. And also to people who. What differences stand out, do you know? Well, uh, this guy isn't floating up to the sky. And apparently, and I think it's within here, he knows that he will walk a very dangerous and dangerous, bloody path here. And this is where in the prophecy section, chapter 25, as I recall, this is a huge book and I don't have it all in my head. He is excoriating the scribes and Pharisees. This stuff made it into the, I think, into the New Testament, didn't it? You, you know, generation of vipers and all this. And he's, but he goes farther. What isn't apparently mentioned in the Old Testament, uh, in the Torah or the New Testament, where he's saying to them, you have deceived and murdered your friends so that you could acquire their belongings. He's laying it out for them. And he's shaking his finger in their face saying. Emmanuel. Is, yeah. So he's, you know, the guy that could turn over the table in the temple. I think that may be in there. Um, and he says, in fact. 500 years comes another true prophet who like me will carry the same teaching at this time. And unless your distant descendants and the distant descendants of this prophet whose name will be Mohammed can come to a just and conciliatory peace with each other, it will be a bloody time and few will survive. And there will be also. There will be also a false and evil cult who will gather around this prophet and falsify his true teaching. And this is stuff, I mean, Billy, Mr. Bullseye walking around, uh, but he, he has, he's published information. What the real teaching of Mohammed was also contained in a book called, uh, the goblet of the truth, along with the true teaching of the previous prophets. And it's essentially, it shows you how the teaching is, how the teaching is, how the teaching is, how the teaching is, how the teaching is, how the teaching is, how the teaching is. And Mohammed didn't marry nine-year-old girls. He was a champion for the rights of women and a protector of women. He did not believe in a jihad where you go and start slaughtering your enemies, according to this information in the Meyer case. And that his mission actually was to stem the rise and power of the Catholic church, which otherwise would have fully enslaved the world. I think we've heard of things like crusades and incursions. I think we've heard of things like incursions and all of this stuff. And there's quite a bit of information in the Talmud then, and in other writings of Billy, uh, especially if people read what he's, what Mohammed is supposedly spoken about. You're seeing consistency about the love and the peace. And they speak about something. This is where the core of the case comes in. This is where Billy is the man, if you will. It is what was formerly called, the spiritual teaching. And then Billy finally, after decades, says, this is an incorrect word, spirit geist. This is, or even in German, his origins speak about ghosts. And no, this now is the time you understand this as the creation energy. What are you talking about? There's no deities. None of the religions are founded on a true deity that created everything. And I even knew a guy who thought he was in touch with the so-called spiritual. And I even knew a guy who thought he was in touch with the so-called Elohim. Creators of all things. Okay, so there's no shortage of religions. There's not like 4,000. And there's certain very primary ones. And the ones that have the biggest recognition and following, they all basically stand on this premise, if you want to, when we talk about things we believe or not. What's in this book is true. Because this book says it's true. Sorry, folks. That's the evidence. You can say, but artifacts have been found. You'll be able to find artifacts throughout history and tales about them, some of which are right, some of which are not right. We're talking about something where this great cosmic reality in this teaching, in this teaching is true because the book says it's true. In the creation energy teaching, Billy is speaking about something that addresses the greatest existential questions in humankind. They've bothered me since I was 10 years old. They've probably bothered many people, but we have to push it on the back burner because as Billy said, the human brain is not greatly equipped to deal with, but here's how you can start to get educated. Because I said, look, Billy, what's outside of space? How far does it go? How can there be nothing? And then how can something arise out of nothing? And that's something, kaboom, we have, reality as we know it or think we know it or whatever. We have things in this reality that have different durations, different vibrational frequencies. This lasts longer maybe than this does. Glass and metal, but things have a perfection. They have a duration. Science relies on certain things and they can find out where these things change. And this goes on and on for everything, seen and unseen. And almost, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't everything that we see, with the exception of that which is natural, is idea made manifest by man and the rest is idea made manifest by what? Well, you want to start attributing it to your God of love and mercy who goes out and slays the, you know, the Canaanites and tells the Israelites to slay 20,000 people or in this other religion to do that. Where is the love and mercy? Well, when Billy starts talking about the teaching, which he didn't create and which is a teaching the play are and have access to and levels of it that we don't. If we can deal with the information at the level that it's intended, if you will, for our development, for our evolution. And Billy has said, the meaning of life is the evolution of consciousness. Struggle with that one for a while. Instead of us lording it over others, others, as the people connected to the Giza intelligences and the other gods did oftentimes because they could and they played with the primitive humans. This creation is the source of all that exists. And if we want to begin to contemplate that and start to learn that, there are immutable universal laws. And our scientists know some of them. There's some other laws too. And there's many laws that if we start to understand the laws and the recommendations, things that are simply recommended for humankind, this is no punishment. This isn't about you're going to be dipped in hot lead for eternity once you pass out of this life, unless you believe in me. There's none of that. Is there any merit in Billy's reports that reference. reference the hermetic principles at all? What would those principles be specifically? I think there's seven of them where everything is mental, like everything's, you know, in the mind type deal. I'll try to name them all, but I'll surely miss some. So everything is mental. There's a masculine and feminine to everything. Everything is in constant motion. Everything is. so fluctuates like in waves. There is no opposite, only varying degrees of the same thing. And then there's two others that are eluding me. So yeah, around those lines, which seem to be what we're discovering in physics anyways, but is there, is there anything similar? Yeah, I'd say, but in saying that, I have to tell you that while I understand and I'm going to give you some comparables or whatever, I'm at a very early level of life of understanding the teaching. Okay. We're all nomadic. The bandwidth here between the lowest and highest on earth isn't that great. So Billy, for instance, Billy has written a phenomenal book called The Might of the Thoughts and how the mind works, how thinking works and things that we take for granted that are maybe backwards or something. In other words, we think that if we feel a certain way, we're going to think a certain way or whatever. Thoughts precede feelings. Most thinking is done below the conscious level. And if we take the time and trouble to become aware of this ongoing thinking process 24-7, we then learn to control the thoughts. We are aware that we're thinking and we're aware of what we're thinking. And in there, in that responsibility is, do we continue that train of thought, those thoughts? Do we continue to modify it? If so, which way do we take, you know, a different direction? Do we put a halt to that whole end, end, end, end? Sure. But you're talking about. Like emotional alchemy or. Well, it's more, you could say, even mental alchemy because this is done through the thinking process. And that is what leads us to feel certain things about things. Sure. Think about it and start having feelings. And then there is another thought and a decision about action or inaction. That's, this book, I mean, that's the junior kindergarten takeaway. Yeah. I realize there's a lot. Oh my gosh. He's written over 60 books and only maybe a dozen are translated into English. He's written about reincarnation, rebirth, death, and dying. Fluidal forces, swinging waves. Again, you can see certain things here that can be reflected as I'm seeing it without understanding. And I'm not saying fully that the hermetic teaching, because there are people in the distant past, great philosophers. Rosicrucianism, you know, feels aligned with this a little bit as well. Yeah, but there's things I'm sure that are really not. Because remember, even in the world of disinformation, you get 20% of the truth and you wrap it in a lie. That was taught to me by a guy who passed away recently, a guy named Ed Dames, who used to be. I knew, I met Ed. I interviewed him. create his first technical remote viewing home study course. I worked with him over a period of a bit more than a year. Did you ever, did you ever. I learned how to do that. Did you ever do any of the spooky targets that he was looking into? Well, he taught me and two other people involved in the production team how to do it. Yeah. And we could do it. And here's the funny story. It's a short story. I mean, he showed us and we were able to get the target. That was good. We were to go to Hawaii to do this production. And basically, I had created the introduction between him and the guy who owned the production company. And I had, because I'd listened to all of his appearances in Art Bell, and I thought, wow, this guy's got what I'd call an oral charisma. He's very engaging and he's saying a lot of things. Wow, this is really cool. So I arranged, I got in touch with him, I got, put it together. And I said, hey, I think a cool way to do this is how you could teach this course on video. And basically, I really kind of helped design that and we worked on it. And what we were to do is to go to this guy's studio in Hawaii and start the production. And I thought, I wonder what that guy is like. Took the piece of paper, because remote viewing, you have a target and you start by using pen to paper or pencil to paper. What are you going to do? And I drew this oblong face and curly hair down the sides and square glasses and stuff. These features. I saw. This is where, if you will, we get there, the door opens up and this guy comes out. This guy comes out and I'm going, okay, that's pretty interesting. Did I ever go back to do that? No, because I don't want to fiddle around with that. You can make mistakes with these things. You can get it right. There are people that are good, people that weren't. I learned it from Ed and I learned certain things because it was a lawsuit then. People sued. They sued each other. And I was an expert witness for having studied all of his. There was some controversy in the remote viewing field now. Sadly, Ed has passed away recently. And may he rest in peace. But he was definitely charismatic. And, you know, I remember going out to dinner with him and my friend Nelson when we were down this journey looking into remote viewing. And he was just the most entertaining, charismatic person. Like always got a joke. Always trying to make you laugh. Always had a story. He was talking smack. He was like, he was very confident in what he could do. But one thing that seemed to be, you know, very true about Ed was that undeniably he was a good at teaching remote viewing. And a lot of people wanted to, you know, they wanted to slight him for so many reasons. And because, you know, he was a bit of a loud mouth. He was like, he was, you know, he had gumption and he didn't care about what he said. He's like. You know, he was in the army and that's kind of. And that ticked a lot of people off, I think. And so I think people got, you know, on his back for that. But one thing that you couldn't deny is that, like, the students that came from Ed were some of the best remote viewers. You know, they had, like, some of the best teachings and stuff, according to Ed. Yeah. Okay. I was, I got called in this lawsuit by, I guess, was he the, did he do this thing, my friend? I forget who it was. It was the plaintiff and it was the defendant. But I was called by the producer as the expert witness because I then, while this was in process, I went through every transcript of every prediction that Ed made. Right. Yeah. Okay, so. They weren't so accurate. No. I mean, I, this isn't speaking ill of somebody. No, no. He simply couldn't do it. I don't think Ed, again, I don't think Ed was a great remote viewer. No, he wasn't. But I think he was really good at teaching it. Yes. And that's exactly what we came away. Yeah. And I, there were a couple of particular things. I was hanging out with him for about a year. There had been an incident where one or two U.S. Air Force jets had been lost. I forget the number because I might have mixed up. But he came in one day. He was absolutely positive where it crashed and all this stuff. They found it in a different state. It had nothing to do with came up here and he just let that go. And it was like, I did. I didn't see anything accurate from her, but I found him to be an interesting and entertaining guy. Yeah. Um, I wish I'd read the contact reports a little earlier before I got involved with the whole thing, because they were in there prior to that about his company. Really? Yes. What did they mention about Ed? They said that this company, SciTech, they named it was basically more about. Making a lot of money. There was a re there was authentic remote viewing. And I think they mentioned that the Russians had pine and all, but that this was, I mean, they, they dissed him after I'd gone. But I had, it was great. I found out for myself, I had the experience that he could teach it. Sure. Yeah, you could. So great. Thank you very much. And then these guys are suing each other everywhere. And then there's another story that I'll tell you off camera about one of the people who was his assistant. That I had a little prank pranked after the trial, you know, we all have different sides to our nation, but this guy. I pranked him, he loved it, it turned out. That's very funny. It was funny. He's, yeah, I remember the last communication I had with him. When I met with him, he was convinced that I was going to be the one to film First Contact with him, that he was being led to First Contact. And he had all these, he regaled me with all these stories of when he was out there with the Prince of Lichtenstein and, like, all sorts, and, you know, the Hal Putoff. And they went out to see UFOs, and, you know, they would remote view where the UFO would be. And he said, you know, they're going to meet me. And he would write me emails and say, you're going to come film me. You're going to come film me. Go out there. And then I'd follow up with him. I was like, so did you? And he's like, yeah, timing wasn't right or something. Something went awry. But I'm going to pause for a second. Sure. We got some questions from the audience, if you don't mind. I don't mind. Would you like to take a little break before we get into this, or are you good to keep going? I'm fine. Okay. Okay. Now. Now, I know that one of the questions we already kind of answered, and that usually happens because, you know, I have good questions, but arguably the questions from the audience are always better because they're so intelligent. There's smart people in there, and there's a whole bunch of them. You know, I think you got like 20 or 30 questions here, but we're going to grab a few of them. And if you at home wonder how, you know, how can you possibly ask one of our guests a question, you can become a member, and that is one of the perks. that you get for being a member. So here we go. Great question. So this here by Alan P. Barker asks, Billy's visitations are ongoing. Was there ever talk of installing live video feed all around the area? It's a great question. Well, the context began in terms of the modern day, the stuff for public consumption and all in the 70s, 75. During that early time into the 80s, they're still in a, I'm just looking at this, talking out loud because they're still putting together an environment. No, now there were, of course, people who wanted to come to the contact. And Billy speaks about this, and people believe that they had a mission with the player and all that. But no, because again, this is, it was going to be, it was going to be frustrating for people in certain ways because they knew their agenda again is to start a controversy or contribute to something that started earlier. If you want to look at it that way, but to help get it worldwide and the best way it's this eye candy approach. There'll be other people will snap photos, people in other countries who had taken photographs of these craft. So, okay, you're going to have the photos out there. Be patient. We're going to get this controversy, going, we're going to talk about these things, but no, we're not here to keep this going in a way that, well, okay, that's, that was okay. But how about we've got people that got some questions. Can you do a thing over here, et cetera, et cetera. It would just lead to more focus on the eye candy, which was not their purpose. That's my interpretation of it. Okay. Interesting. A lot of people out there, a lot of the eye candy though. Of course. Who didn't? If you're into UFOs. I'm a big fan of the eye candy. Ooh, this is a great question. I coach football. This is your home coach. Home of the save. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. We have no stores. No, it's not. It's just weather. Give it a try. Try it. Mintmobile.com slash switch. Upfront payment of $45 for three-month plan. $15 per month equivalent required. See mintmobile.com. Gina asks, what is one thing about the Meyer case you don't know that you would like a definitive answer to? That is a great question. Yeah. Something. Something that you could just go, like, definitively, there you have it. There's your answer. What would that be? I've never had, I can't recall. I mean, that's a great question. It's one I should, I will think about a lot more and maybe have to send it in to you. It's like, there's so many answers for things that I've wanted to know since childhood. Things that I've wanted to know since childhood. I was having dreams on and lights in the sky being underneath a disc. But I get it now. It doesn't matter. Not because somebody says it doesn't matter. It's like, that's the phenomenon of that. And in the context, and we'll dip into this just a little bit in the context of this. The UFO and this disc-shaped thing that Bob Lazar, that Billy Meyer, all this, this is not an accident. And this may help some people. Maybe it helps with this answer. I don't know. What's been said in this case is that on Earth, there are people, human beings, who have been part of, you know, the original Earth humans evolving over long periods of time. People alive today, their creation energy form, their essence may have already had two million incarnations, as different people. Because we're never in this reincarnational thing, which we can't really go too far into. But yes, there's such a thing as reincarnation, but it's not what we think. We're never the same person. We don't remember past lives. There are parts of that that have more information, how we can draw on information that is contained from every life. Okay. But then there are also people who are here, who are here because they came, with one or another group of extraterrestrials, not always a great romantic thing. They died here. They were abandoned here, or they were attacked and killed by circumstances, other people in the past. One of the laws is that a spirit form that dies on a given planet reincarnates, reanimates a new personality on the planet on which they die. Now, that to answer a possible next question, on that is that if you're a space traveler, then in your society, you reach space travel, and you die somewhere else on a planet, and it kind of works that you're not going to suddenly have no future personalities because there's no life on that planet. That we go to the spirit forms will be attracted through creational law to an inhabited planet, none of which are in our solar system, where there is evolving human life at a level that is commensurate overall so that the spirit form comes in. There's a new personality. It can be, it's already has access so that it can fit into that society and evolve consciousness, the meaning of life, the evolution of consciousness. So the universe isn't this universe. It's not like, oh, the universe is punishing me or rewarding me. Absolutely doesn't happen. There are laws, and it's, if a circumstance comes about that creates this problem, it's solved in this way universally, and then you have to go on with your evolution. If there's a crash in space itself or something, and you die on a ship, the same thing of this creation energy form is attracted to the next habitable planet or evolution at this level. Does it have something to do with the EM field, like the electromagnetic fields of the planet? Not as such as I understand it because it's more the evolutionary level of the human life forms on that planet so that, because we don't, I mean, conceivably. But for life to even exist, there would have to be like an EM field to protect it from certain radioactive. All that stuff is, you know, part and parcel. There are those kinds of questions, EM fields, when you get into things about fluidal energy, what are those and swinging waves and how does telepathy work and what are ghosts and what are apparitions and what are these supposed paranormal things? There's nothing paranormal. There are things that happen according to known laws or we don't yet know the law or it's a hoax. It's pretty simple. So we have some of all of that going on. So this question, to come back to it, I don't know what question I still have. I'm being honest and I may well have, have some, that's a great question. Was there a question in the past, I'll reframe the question here, that was burning and that you had answered? Yeah. Now, yes, to a degree. As I said, I wanted to know what came before the beginning. How did anything come into being? Billy's got an entire book on that. And there's a new book that comes out, people will be able to get off the site, that is also addressing this because he goes through that. And we've read some of the explanation about this because he explains things in different places and he is a big believer in repetition. So you will find he'll say it, he'll say it this way, he'll say it that, so that we get the access to the information through the modalities that we're working with, right? Intellect, wherever we are in understanding, there are people at higher levels of understanding can go through things, let's say a little more quickly. Because they already understand that. Most of us won't understand this, some will. Okay. So on that level, do we have an answer for that? Yes and no. Because that answer alone poses a question that the brain cannot get around. And even Billy has said, he said, even the Pleiaren, I asked him, I said, do the Pleiaren know the answer? No, the human brain can only go so far. It's only, if answers to that come about, they will only be in the higher levels that, and they've spoken about, well, what is the evolution of a human being? We will go through countless millions of lifetimes and years and move towards a more refined, more etheric, not total, semi-physical, semi, you could use the word creation energy here, hyphenated word, form until we are at a level of development. Where the next, if you will, incarnation or the reincarnation spirit isn't into a physical form, it's into the lower levels of the creational energy. This goes on. There's the Arahat Atharsat. Billy's got a whole book on that. That book rivets me. It's just such a powerful direct. So that was your answer to like, how far does it go? Where does it end? And it just kind of like, there's levels to this. Yeah. Yeah. There's levels to it. And don't torture yourself. Work with that in the teaching. Start or continue so that you can start to answer more questions that also are very much about here and now life. Billy is an earth man now. And he said that to the player because they've offered, you know, they offered to give him a fake arm. No, thank you. I'm an earth person. That's part of it. And he says, just practically speaking, if suddenly I appear with a left arm, how long is it going to take for some military to kidnap my butt and start taking me apart? I don't want that. Well, these are all great answers. This is a fun, definitely fun to talk about. You know, definitely leaves me wondering and curious more than anything. I'm going to, you know, have to do some reading myself, but I have a feeling there's a lifetime of that awaiting me. So I'll probably not get to the bottom. Unfortunately, I give you one because I mentioned earlier off camera last night, I was thinking about something and I asked Andrea to make a note for me and the seven foot giants, some people are, will remember a couple of years ago. I think it was in August, perhaps of 2023, where it was reported in Peru that seven foot tall giants were abducting and maybe even harming people, women from Peru. And I think it was in August, perhaps of 2023, where it was reported from the village or whatever. And it was this whole thing. And as soon as I read that originally, bang, it was one of those aha moments. I know I've got this. 1976, it's in books and everything else. And it's from one of the higher, you know, creation energy levels that feeds in, that Billy cannot talk to, or he can receive and he gets the teaching and he has to work to make sure it's the supposed to be, but he can't really dialogue with them. This is my understanding. There is a level that he can go back and forth, not that level. Okay. So this is the Petale level. And they spoke about the time that will come in Peru when the seven foot tall giants will emerge from their centuries long hiding places underground to molest the people there. And the seven foot tall giants and there's something tied into a quake in Udine, which I think is, or Udine in Italy. And indeed I was able to find, and I, I didn't look into that part again today, but I found that so I could send it to you. And that verifiably 47 years or whatever it is after that was published, that event occurred right down to where and the size of the people. I think they also said they were redheaded or red or something and that this was, you know, an unwelcome thing. And okay. What's the chance of that 47 years? Cause you brought up the point of, you know, like a dartboard thing. Are they just throwing darts? We haven't found the, the holes in the wall. Sure. Yeah. So, and all of that. And at some point I would like to offer our film to your audience and let me know if I can do that. Yeah, definitely. Okay. Yeah. I'll, uh, I'll leave a link in the description. If you send me a link or all the information will be down there if you like. Good. Okay. Yeah. Great. We'll leave that below. Um, thank you so much for, for coming here, for sharing this with me, um, and for being so rigorous in, in, in understanding about my skepticism to, you know, to this case. Um, it's, it's fun to be able to have that dialogue, um, you know, as someone who is researching this and doesn't really know where to put a lot of things yet. Um, it's fun to just be offered at least the very least a new piece of the puzzle. Um, you know, I'm, I'm still a ways from, from being there, right? My conviction level fluctuates constantly. Um, but nonetheless, I find this fascinating and interesting. I think worthy of a deeper look, uh, at the very least. And, um, the two guys that, who've done the research that you will at least speak the same language. Sure. And I am on the photography side. Yeah. That's one I want to watch. Yeah. I'll definitely, I'll definitely be in touch with it. And if anything, I'll just look up their work and have a look at that as well. But, um, I encourage the audience to, you know, not stop at the one thing, maybe have a deeper look. And if, you know, if you feel inclined to, you know, look at some of the contact reports or some of the documentaries, I would, you know, highly encourage you to do that by looking at things, no, one's going to say you believe it, you know, and that's the, that's the one thing about this whole space and a lot of things when it comes to personal beliefs, which is like a binary thing. If you research something that doesn't mean that you believe what you're researching. And, and I think it's a really important thing for people to practice is just intake information on a very unbiased level and without, you know, just pass it through your filters and see how it resonates. And that's it. You don't have to commit either way. You have to guess or know. Um, but I encourage you to do so. And, and if nothing else, if nothing else, you'll be potentially thoroughly entertained and it isn't a complete waste of time. Can I throw that in? Sure. I've been asked if I believe in Billy Meyer, believe in UFOs, and I've said no. When you know something, you don't have to believe in it. You could be wrong, of course, but rather than belief, I have the evidence in my experience. And so I'm comfortable as well. with people who don't have, have informed their own determination. I try to answer, oh, this is really asking for trouble. I try to answer all my email, but you've got an audience off the chart. I can get around to it, but that's it. People, please do your own research. If it's really pressing, I will try to respond. If I can help, I may be very terse and say, look over here, that, this, I know, I don't know, whatever. But you have opened your forum, your audience, your world to this, where most people with big platforms won't do it. They just prefer the, what I consider the easy way. So I'm thanking you. And so I welcome, we're in the same boat, really. Well, there's a rest assured that those who are opposed to any of this won't be watching. at this point. So they have long since written their emails. Yeah. And their comments. This guy is smoking. Yeah. That's right. But for the strong, brave, and true that have fought this one out and are still here listening, thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. And feel free to check out some of the work that Michael has left you and some of the links below. And at the very least, just to have a gander at some of the stuff that's out there on the internet about this case. It's very interesting and it continues to mystify, baffle, and intrigue me. And yeah, I look forward to sharing it. seeing more so thank you michael pleasure ryan reynolds here from int mobile the message for everyone paying big wireless way too much please for the love of everything good in this world stop with mint you can get premium wireless for just 15 a month of course if you enjoy overpaying no judgments but that's weird okay one judgment anyway give it a try at mint mobile.com switch upfront payment of 45 for three month plan equivalent to 15 per month required intro rate first three months only then full price plan options available taxes and fees extra see full terms at mint mobile.com the nba's back on prize picks pick a shootout in the west and a boards battle in the east on prize picks you can make all the picks you want all in the same app and now prize picks is available nationwide so what are you waiting for download the prize picks app today and use code spotify that's code spotify to get 150 installing in lineups if you win your first five dollar lineup prize picks run your game must be present in certain states visit prizepicks.com for restrictions and details