Remote Viewing, Precognitive Dreams & The Nature of God with Sean Hazlett

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Sean also explains how military personnel were allegedly recruited into these programs, why government agencies kept funding them year after year, and why some researchers believe that these capabilities never actually disappeared. Were these experiments and operations just crazy Cold War fever dreams? Or did intelligence agencies discover something so disturbing that parts of it remain hidden to this very day? Well, if you are into CIA secrets, psychic spies, mind control research, remote viewing, and the classified history behind one of the most controversial programs that was ever revealed, well, this is the episode for you. So, sit back, relax. And welcome to camp. Sean Hazlett, how are you? I'm doing great. How are you doing, Mark? I'm doing excellent. I'm so excited to chat with you. Thank you so much for joining me in the tent. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. This is an amazing setup you got here, man. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Oh, man, you got a Marian apparition up there. Absolutely. Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared to the great San Juan Diego in central Mexico. Oh, boy. I'm going to sound kooky, but I just had a dream about a week ago. And in the dream, I'm walking across this field. I felt like Los Angeles or something like that. And this blue woman, I look up, this blue woman appears, and it has this Mesoamerican energy. Then I look down, and then she disappears. And I have this feeling of awe. Again, it's just a dream. So, go to ChatGPT. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. I'm like, you must be familiar with the lady with the Bledsoe stuff, right? So, I'm like, are there any Marian apparitions, which is kind of the ladies, could be in that camp, right? I'm not saying it's the Virgin Mary, but I think they kind of fit that profile. And I look it up, and that's what was described. Because it was also, before that, a Mesoamerican Aztec deity. I can't remember what her name was. But it's associated with the blue lady. Anyway, just a weird, this stuff happens all the time. Well, I want to talk a lot about synchronicities, things that have been coming up in your life and your experience with what I've heard people describe as high strangeness, perhaps, broadly speaking, experiences with the supernatural and the esoteric. And you have many of them, which I'm very excited to jump into. And we got connected through our mutual friend, Kurt Metzger. And I had asked Kurt specifically about remote viewing. And I was like, remote viewing is one of these things that I, it's weird because there's genuine programs within the United States government that have funded millions of dollars into remote viewing. It seems like it's going on even until this very day as we're sitting here. And it also, it's been featured in television shows like Stranger Things, and it's been put into broad media. But it's one of these things that's still so difficult for me to wrap my head around how this is possible and why this is happening. I've heard all sorts of crazy stories. And I said, Kurt, do you know anyone that could speak about this intelligently? And he said, I have great news for you. My friend Sean is not only brilliant, but he's also very much invested in this field. And I looked you up and immediately was so eager to chat with you because you have a very interesting resume and sort of backstory that leads you into this. And I think you are supremely qualified to talk about what is remote viewing, how it works, who's doing it, and ultimately why. is happening metaphysically. They're allowing people to see things even when they're not there, thousands, potentially even millions of miles away, which are some of the crazier stories. And then taking me through some of the beats of these famous remote viewers and what they've actually been able to achieve. So starting from you and kind of how you get into this, what is your background? Where'd you go to school? What did you study? And yeah, take us through that story, how you got to remote viewing. Okay. So I grew up in Wilmington, Delaware, about a mile from, you know, Kurt's always talking about Arden. I grew up about a mile away from that place or one or two miles away. And what is Arden? It's just like a guild house that allegedly there's been stuff related to like satanic ritual abuse and things like that. I'd never heard anything like that when I was a kid, but it's just odd that I grew up about. You know, one to two miles away from it. Anyway, I grew up in Wilmington, Delaware. I went undergrad to Stanford. I majored in history and also got a degree in electrical engineering. One was, my parents were both teachers. My dad was like a high school math teacher. My mother was a grade school teacher and I couldn't afford Stanford. There's no way. I got in and my dad was kind of pissed because he's just like, we're not going to be able to afford college for the other two kids. I'm like, look, I'll figure it out. So I got an ROTC scholarship, got a few other scholarships that basically made the tuition about $200 a year. And then we just, parents had to cover room and board. Wow. So, you know, and I majored in electrical engineering so I could be employable and then history just because it was fascinating to me. So went to Stanford, got the degree, then had to serve four years in the army. It subsequently became five years, but that's, we'll get into that in a second. And I, it was assessed as what they call a military intelligence officer, but they branch detailed me, which is just a fancy way of saying you're, we don't need that many lieutenants in military intelligence. So we loaned them out to a combat arms unit, right? So I got armor tanks, that sort of thing. And then four years later, they send you back to, you know, the, what is it? I think Kurt calls it Fort Huctua, but Fort Huachuca in Arizona, where they'll, you know, typically you get trained to be a captain and all that good stuff. So I made a decision when I was 18 about whether or not I wanted to have a military career. And the way that I did it is I also had an appointment to the military academy. And I just decided that, you know, if I want to make this a career, I'll go there. But if I want to kind of just wait and see, see what it's like, and then decide I went the ROTC route. Hey, real quick. Most people who watch this channel aren't subscribed. And when you subscribe, you help the channel grow and you stay in the loop with every new drop. Religion camp, history camp, and camp Gagnon. Now let's get back to it. So anyway, I did ROTC when I was in the army, I was an armor officer. We were stationed at Fort Irwin, which is in the Mojave Desert. And we were the red team, call it. So before 9/11, I was an expert on Soviet armored doctrine and tactics. And we would have these massive war games using, think of it like a fancy form of war games. laser tag. You have these like Raytheon sensors or Raytheon sensors that you could reach out and touch somebody from, you know, several kilometers away. And then they would, every vehicle would be instrumented. You have about 5,000 people on either side and you'd have these massive war games. And our role was just to beat the piss out of whoever we were fighting so that we could expose with their weaknesses. And we could do everything the Soviets used to be able to do, use chemical weapons, like, you know, with CS gas and like that sort of thing to make it seem real. And, uh, we, I just became an expert doing that. And I, you know, it was, it was a blast, at least the four hours when you're actually fighting, like the five, whatever, the hours before that and the hours after that sucked. But during that four or five hours, it was just absolute bliss because you're just, you're just spanking these guys left and right. And anyway, I enjoyed doing that. Then 9/11 happened. So I was a Lieutenant, uh, I think first Lieutenant one that happened and we had a guy who was a major. He actually went down to CENTCOM headquarters in, I think it's Tampa Bay, Florida. Yeah. And while he was there, he did a bunch of planning, went to the school, school of advanced military studies where they call it like Jedi, something or other in the, in the army and where they did planned all these operations. When he came back, he said that they had planned eight to 10 years of military operations in the Middle East that basically would reshape it. So it wasn't just. Afghanistan. It wasn't just Iraq. It was Syria. It was Iran. It was all that stuff. And fortunately we didn't get that far into it and, and do it because it just obviously didn't make any sense. So after that, I got put on something called stop loss because I was a military intelligence officer on paper, but I had no training in intelligence at all. So I had to get a TSSCI clearance, all that stuff. But as in any bureaucracy, I don't plan for these things. So when I said, well, I was ready to go to the next course at Wachuka, I'm like, oh, well, there's a delay or a backlog for 18 months, right? I'm like, all right, well, I'm just going to sit here and just wait. So I got to see all the preparation before we invaded Iraq. And we knew in October of like, at least October, 2002, that we were going to go in because we were training for chemical weapons use in the Karbala Gap. And we had built this massive trench complex and all that stuff to train people for it. So anyway, again, I'm not going to go into too much detail about that. I'm going to go into a little bit of detail about that. I'm going to go into a little bit about that. I'm going to get out of the army. I decide that I want to go to business school, but I also want to keep that national security expertise kind of current. So I went to the Kennedy School of Government to get a master in public policy. And then I also went to Harvard Business School. I didn't have any business experience or anything like that. After that, I'll kind of fast forward. But after that, I spent some time, was like an investment banker for a lot of mental masturbation there, as you can possibly imagine. And then I worked in various roles in corporate finance. So this has nothing to do with any of this stuff. But I was at Juul when it was like going crazy. And then I was also at Juul when it was, the government started. Yeah, it was, you could write a book on it, but I can't. Obviously, I signed a bunch of NDAs. Yeah. But it was, it was interesting. Anyway, I got into this topic. Well, one last thing, my thesis advisor when I was at the Kennedy School was Dr. Ash Carter, who subsequently became, like eight years later, became Obama's Secretary of Defense. My master's thesis was on plan B for Iran's nuclear program. So I wrote this thing in like 2006. So anytime I had friends in government who would say, hey, do you got any good open source information? And he said that like from all different government agencies, every time one of the people that would send them something back would be my master's thesis. Wow. So, which has been frustrating because I'm watching this Shiza show and it's just like. You saw this coming 20 years ago. Yeah, but things are, things are like radically different than they were. Like we had people in theater, drones, we were the ones with drones, right? There's been a whole, evolution. Technologically. Technologically, but also just application of these like new technologies that unfortunately with the Russia-Ukraine war, they've been able to leverage and learn both sides on how to employ these things. And we're behind in terms of like, I would say that it's very similar to where the Germans were at the beginning of World War II, right? Where the French, like Heinz and the German theoretician who saw the battle of Cambrai when the British employed tanks and he came to the conclusion, you got to use them in packs, right? Like entire units, like tank divisions and things like that. Whereas the French would just put pepper tanks throughout their different infantry battalions. And he just, it was obviously very effective for the Germans in World War II. We're kind of at a similar point, right? With drones, there's going to be these amassing tactics and kind of using them en masse instead of just peppering them throughout different organizations. But then you, on top of that, you also have AI, right? And AI is going to radically shift. And it's going to be a predator prey thing because that AI is going to have to adapt to the other AI and they're going to adapt so quickly that we're not going to be able to track it. Same thing with cyber, right? The same issues. Anyway. People are listening to this and they're like, how does a guy go from Stanford undergrad to military intelligence? To then Kennedy School and then Harvard Business School and then get involved in remote viewing. Okay. So the next step in this whole evolution is I read this book called Psychic Warrior by David Morehouse. He's somebody you should absolutely talk to, by the way. He's far more knowledgeable in remote viewing. I think he's trained 20 plus thousand people on how to do it. So he has a book where he talks about how he got recruited into the program. So it started out, he was a ranger regiment commander, which is very, very rare. Not like very few people get selected for that role. And he was in a training exercise in a valley. It's called like the Haunted Valley, Valley of the Djinn, Botnell Gould in Jordan. Okay. And during this training exercise, a Jordanian soldier with a machine gun shot him in the head, either accidentally or accidentally on purpose. I don't know, but obviously he's wearing his Kevlar. So it caused like a hematoma, but it didn't, you know, didn't kill him, but it's certain sure. So I'll knock him out. Right. And he said that when it happened to him, it was if he shifted a free, like a channel on a radio station, like somebody dialed it up somewhere else. And he had like a incident or not incident, but an experience with another, either being his higher self, something that just told him, look, you're on the wrong path. You're not supposed to be kind of in this kind of war thing. You're, you're supposed to be doing something else. And he didn't want to tell anybody about it because he wouldn't be deployable and they would yank him out of the ranger as a regiment. You got to be deployable at all times. Right. So he kind of kept it to himself until he had this new assignment. And like most army officers, he doesn't want to do the whole recruiting thing. Right. So he's trying to desperately find a way to do it. And his next assignment is kind of an intelligence assignment working with the DIA. Now I'm not sure when he went to the activity. Are you familiar with the intelligence ISA? So it's, it's sometimes called Royal Cape task force orange, right? It's like the intelligence side of special ops for the military. Right. So the intelligence side of special ops for the military. Right. And it's there, but he also did an assignment near DIA. When he first went to DIA, there was a psychologist that had to talk to him. Right. And at the very end of every session, he would say, is there anything else you want to tell me? And it said, he just, it just got to him because he felt like, he's like, it's a polygraph and all that. So he said, fuck it. Like, can I curse? Yeah. You're actually required to curse. Okay. All right. All right. Well, just be careful. Don't. You could take Sean out of the army, but you can't take the army out of Sean. So anyway, he tells this guy what happened. And the guy kind of looks at him and says, I might have something for you. He pulls out this folder and it says grill flame on it. Okay. And he said, why don't you take a look at these? Just read through the entire folder and come back to me when you're done and we can talk. And what it was, was the remote viewing production of a bunch of former remote viewers. Some of it was involved in mapping the embassy, the Iranian or not the Iranian, but the U.S. embassy in Tehran during the hostage crisis. 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And this seems like absurd, but there's a long history of this within US intelligence to use remote viewers. And we actually did an episode on Ingo Swann, one of the most like notorious sort of disclosed CIA remote viewers. Are you familiar with Ingo Swann's story? What can you tell us about Ingo Swann? Yeah, a little bit about Ingo Swann. So he was a natural born gifted psychic. He worked with the Stanford Research Institute to, well, first of all, they tested his capabilities, right? Yeah. So they would ask him to identify, you know, they would go on these things, these outbound projects where they would just go to places in Palo Alto. And then they would ask him to remote view what he was seeing. And they would do that over and over again. They would put him in a Faraday cage and they were able to prove that, yes, it still worked if you're inside a Faraday cage. Faraday cage basically like stops any type of electromagnetic frequency. If you put your phone into it, it's neutralized. Right. Which is to say that whatever this is, it likely operates at a non-local level, like a quantum level as opposed to electromagnetic. I mean, there's probably an electromagnetic component when the signal comes back into your body and your brain translates it and goes through that. But they ran a bunch of experiments where he basically demonstrated that, yes, this absolutely works. And there was something else that they had him view. I can't remember off the top of my head, but it kind of freaked them out. There was also another psychic. His name was Pat Price. Pat Price definitely freaked out the CIA because they asked him to remote view some cabin, some random cabin in West Virginia. But the way remote viewing works is if there's a lot of energy in a target, right? So for instance, if it's like very, very, very, very, very important that you keep it secret, that target generates a lot of energy, right? So it almost makes it shine like a beacon in that space. So as he's looking for this one target, his attention gets directed to this classified NSA site. And so he starts talking about that. He literally reads off folder names of projects like Project Q-Ball and like it was a bunch of billiards kind of related projects. So they take this stuff to the CIA and the CIA is like, this is like garbage. What is this? And then they come to find out that no, it's not garbage. There was an NSA facility that they didn't even know about. And they went and corroborated that, yes, these projects are real projects. So anyway, they got to that point where like, okay, this stuff is real. So then they wanted Ingo to come up with a way to train soldiers to do it. So he didn't really have a protocol. He didn't really kind of explain how he did it. So he had to develop a protocol that they could literally train anybody to do, but was repeatable. And you went through and there's various stages depending on like when Ingo trained somebody. He trained some people in some stages, others he chose not to. But generally, like if you average it out, there's about six stages. There's more than that at the classified level. I don't know what they are. I just know from what Lynn Buchanan has said publicly. But the point is to just be able to train anybody because this is a capability that anybody has. I know that from public filings, they spent about 20 million from like the early 70s until 1995 when it was, quote unquote, shut down. And that was on the heels of when David Morehouse released his book, Psychic Warrior. And that's a whole other story about how he was harassed and it got pretty ugly for him. And for anyone that doesn't know, at this point, I think most people kind of picked up what we're talking about when we're saying remote viewing. But it is this act of a person that is generally trained in this. And this type of, you know, technology, so to speak, that is able to see an item or a target that is many miles away from them just by kind of closing their eyes and going into this semi meditative state. Is there any more that you could add into like, like more or less what it is if you were going to define it for someone that's never heard of it? Yeah, this is very specific. And this causes a lot of there's a lot of info. And there's some people who are broader. Well, like kind of broaden the category. And there's a lot of there's other people who are very narrow definition, like David Morris Morehouse is a very narrow definition. And that won't do it justice. But basically, that's not to say that psychic capability doesn't exist, and that everybody else that's not doing remote viewing, it's all garbage. A lot of that stuff's legitimate, too. So just think of it as there's a broad category called divination. Okay, and divination is being able to detect things in space and time. Okay. So you might have the I Ching, right, which is a Chinese kind of method of doing that you might have to row, you might have, you know, or you have astrology, things like that. Or you might just have naturally gifted psychics who can, you know, do what they do, and predict certain things. Remote viewing is very specific. So it is a methodology where it tends to be single or double blind protocol by single blind, the person receives nothing more than an eight character number. Okay. That corresponds to a target. Right? They not always but but most of the time, you don't tell them you're looking for a person, you're looking for a thing. You're looking, they don't get they don't even get that. And the reason they do you do that is you want to short circuit that imagine your imagination, right? You don't want to, if I tell you, and there's an example of this, I talked about on Julian's show that was related to the heavens gate, kind of side, or massive, whatever you want to call it, where someone was front loaded, right? Front loaded just means that they were given a sense of what their target was, which was the hell bop comment. And there was like a speck of something in the comment. So immediately, you know, Courtney Brown, who was tasked to do it by Art Bell on coast to coast am immediate, immediately, his brain starts coming up with like UFOs, motherships, all that stuff. That's, that can get you into a lot of trouble. Because if you trigger somebody like that, it's difficult to separate your imagination from what your subconscious is giving you for the target. Does that make sense? So, which is why you have to have a single or double blind protocol. Now, double blind is when the person who assigns you the target doesn't know what the target is either. Okay. And then what happens is, it's usually, let's take like a six stage process. There's a bunch of different protocols. There's CRV, which is by some names, coordinate remote viewing. Some call it, what am I blanking? There's another, see, there's coordinate remote viewing and I'll come up with it. Controlled remote viewing is the other name. It's basically the same thing. But you get this number, you kind of relax. You try to get into an alpha wave brain state. And you just start to open that aperture of sight, right? And you just, is it manmade? Is it land? Is it water? Is it a life form? And you just kind of come up with that. And then it just progresses to the point where when you get widened that aperture of perception, then you're starting to draw full scenes and describe smells. Sometimes if you send somebody to a target where there's like, let's say somebody sent you to Chernobyl, people, if they're not careful, will start to bilocate. Now, this is not like bilocation when you're talking about saints where, you know, literally somebody's in two or Padre Pio, right? in two places at once. It's not that when you're talking about remote viewing, but it's they start to exhibit physical characteristics or physical symptoms of if they were in that environment so one of the things you have to be very careful is in the military they generally if you have like if you're a heat casualty you have like heat stroke or if you have you had hypothermia or something like that they record that because you're more susceptible if it happens again so somebody had a heat casualty sometime in the past and you send them to chernobyl like they might actually experience some physical distress right and we have heat exhaustion or things like that but you start to experience feeling of being there so it's not just what you see it's what you smell it's what you hear it's what you feel right and some people are what you taste some people are better at certain senses than others and according to lynn buchanan they actually identify where that where people tend to be good they might be better at cognitively and they might be better at cognitively and they might be better at cognitively colors they might be terrible at faces so it's a skill that's acquired and like anything else it's something that most if not i don't i don't want to say all people can do it right because somebody who has like down syndrome you're probably not gonna be able to train them how to do it and it's just like like but most people can play basketball except maybe a paraplegic you know well might be able to shoot right so it's something that most people can do but also like a sport you have to develop it you can't just sit down and i mean some people might be more naturally talented than others but for the most part it's something that people have trained for years and years and years and you're not always 100 right so in the intelligence community we were talking i think offline about this is you don't want to rely on one collection method to bet the farm on something i mean that's basically what we did with the iran war right we ignored 18 intelligence agencies and just kind of believed what net yahoo was telling trump and now we are where we are so you want to make sure that you triangulate the intelligence and again the the enemy whoever you're dealing dealing with is going to feed you with a lot of bs too right so i think again we were talking about in world war ii we had patton was in charge of this huge dummy battalion they inflated a bunch of tanks and things like that aimed them at clay and calais and then had all this false radio traffic so you know hitler thought this episode is brought to you by txu energy for the first time ever texans have an energy plan that combines free nights all year with daytime summer savings it's called free nights and cool summer you get free nights every night all year long plus a 25 bonus toward your daytime use all summer it's a first of its kind plan created for how texans actually use energy discover how much more you could save with free nights and cool summer txu energy energy for everything visit txu.com for more information rep number one zero zero zero four that the allies were coming to calais and then we went to normandy so there's a lot of deception when it comes to signals traffic so you have to be careful you also have like mass and you have like geospatial intelligence all sorts of stuff uh human human right human intelligence spies and all that good stuff and you want to try to triangulate all that remote viewing was one of those tools in the toolkit that can do that now there are sometimes before it was fully developed in the late 70s and this is something you can look up but president carter uh openly admitted that we found a tupelov bomber in africa there was a female remote viewer who just got a map and located it within a mile on the vast continent of africa and they went there and we recovered it and can you can you google that wow that is a remarkable story it's like basically they just said hey we like they gave coordinates or something like that and they said i think she just like pointed at a map i don't know exactly how it was done but yeah so that while serving as president scroll down he publicly revealed that the cia once used a psychic to successfully locate a downed government plane in africa so while serving as president a small u.s aircraft disappeared over the jungle in central africa then zaire unable to locate the wreckage with spy satellites then cia director stansfield turner suggested contacting a woman in california who claimed to have supernatural information and she was able to locate the wreckage with supernatural abilities according to carter's account the woman went into a trance wrote down the specific latitude and longitude coordinates u.s intelligence refocused their satellite cameras to those exact coordinates and the wreckage was found covered by the jungle canopy wow that is remarkable and this work aligned with the stargate project a defense intelligence agency and cia program from 72 to 95 wow now when people look at this they might say like okay 20 million dollars over you know 20 years for the u.s government to be able to locate the wreckage that's not much that's like a drop in the bucket and i've heard people say this is a high impact low cost technology that they could actually work on do you think that that is a fair way to assess remote viewing or do you think that it's even you know like higher impact than people assume i think people are like oh yeah you're throwing the throwing money at all this random stuff to see if anything comes back and this was one of the things that they happen to throw money at or do you think that there's a a technology here that's even more reliable than people might think i think it's more reliable than people think and i think again this was this ended in 1995 if they still continued to iterate and innovate privately i'm pretty sure it's a lot farther along so for instance when they first started this there was no defense against it right but you talk to remote viewers today sometimes when they review target so edward reardon who's works at the future of forecasting group uh which is a group of remote viewers that are paid basically to remove you where they get targets and then are constantly putting out content they actually i think it's like future forecasting group where you can go they have a youtube channel where they just show it they just put it out there and then you can assess whether or not it works but he was doing one target and he kept like getting inundated with like this music so there are there are any he thinks he believes that that's a technique that has been developed by someone to prevent you from just anybody from just viewing people in space and time right so there are i would guess counter measures that have been developed that are out there with what confidence could you say that the government has continued a program like this even past 1995 99 really yeah i mean i'll tell you why i say that so dean radin has publicly stated that it's gone quote-unquote quiet and what it means when he says it goes quiet is it's not classified but when it goes quiet you can still do it but you don't have to read people in on anything so paradoxically fewer people know about it so it's very likely that at the very least they're hiring contractors people and like i would not be surprised if like they were bringing in lynn and stuff like that he'll never be surprised if people never talk about it he'll never say anything he's never said a word about it but there are skilled remote viewers that you know you can still pay to find these things and i honestly don't know if he's still doing it but i would also imagine that there were other programs that were independent of the army's program because the only one they shut down was the army's one i mean it was tied to cia and dia but it was still within the fort meade group there was also a group in army special forces that was designed um not by ingo swan but there was some cross fertilization but by this guy um richard ireland richard iron and you can actually if you look him up too because i want to make sure i get his name but he was a gifted natural psychic so army special forces just pulled him in and say how do you do what you do like you're really good at what you're doing so they developed their own protocol that was similar to the kind of controlled remote viewing but slightly different which is now they call it the hawaiian remote viewers guild kind of hrvg okay which is you know similar but a little bit different they have something called the blackboard and you think about what you're viewing and then you kind of just write it out this guy here richard ireland yep that's him oh wow and can you scroll down maybe just get like a bio on him let's see if there's anything there who the flamboyant clairvoyant nice little name it's the first time i heard of that but interesting and so he was contracted i think so yeah they hired him to brought him into a room and tried to learn everything that he can wow so his method is still taught by a guy named glenn wheaton today who's he was also associated with that um first earth battalion stuff familiar with him with uh the men at stereo goats or stair goats that oh yeah yeah so i think that's deliberate that was deliberately meant to be ridiculous so people would you know believe this stuff was not real but he was the uh the colonel like the colonel was in that movie was based on him so i think his name was like john chanin or something like that okay yeah or jim chanin jim chanin something like that so So all these people are tied together in various ways. ways. There's also something called remote influencing, where you can influence people remotely. I think Lynn Buchanan did some project on Saddam Hussein, and there's anecdotal stories. I think Jeffrey Mishlove may have put this out there. I think I asked Lynn, and Lynn said, well, that's what they reported they saw, right? But as he was remotely influencing Saddam Hussein, his eyes turned from blue to brown. He said some woman walked in and screamed or something. Again, this is reported by Jeffrey Mishlove, and then Lynn didn't deny it. He's just like, yeah, some lady came in and said that. Hey, guys, we're gonna take a break really quick, because I want to talk to you about GLD. This is an awesome new company that we're working with that I'm actually wearing right now. I actually got this crucifix right here. And honestly, even just getting it, you know, sometimes like when you work with some companies, you're like, oh, I'm wearing this. And then you're like, oh, I'm wearing this. 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I'm sure these same types of tests have been done in like closed academic settings where you have researchers that are testing this stuff to see, is it actually accurate? Is it just a random guess? What can you tell me about actual like closed sort of double blind tests that have been done by academic institutions? So we talked a little bit about SRI and that's what SRI was doing. The Stanford Research Institute. I believe SAIC was also doing, again, these are not like public institutions. I'm not aware of Stanford having done any of these. That doesn't mean that they didn't do that because that would be like Stanford University, that would be the first. There was a lab called PAIR. It stands for like paranormal something, something lab. It was at Princeton University. And that lasted for a few decades. And they proved this stuff exists. There's the Ryan Center at Duke. There was a place in Brooklyn. I can never pronounce the name of the hospital. It's like M-A-I-M-O-N-D-E-S or something. Myodes or something like that, where they tested all sorts of different psychic functioning. Dean Radin continues to do experimental studies that show odds against chance of well over like a quadrillion for some of these sort of things. Wow. And like how do these tests, how do they set them up? Like what would be an example? Well, I'll give you one for, since it's fresh in my mind. So it's a little bit similar topic, but let's say dream telepathy, right? That sounds crazy, right? Well, it's real. So there was a gentleman, his name is Dr. Stanley Krippner, right? I literally just interviewed him, but he was very interested in dreams. So he wanted to see somebody else in a dream. So the way he set up his study is he had somebody sleeping and they were measuring REM state. And then in another room, they would give someone a picture and then they would tell the person with the picture who was awake, just think about the picture, act out the picture, like just find ways to communicate it to the person in the other room. And then when the assess, they were in the REM sleep stage, they wait a little bit, but then they would wake them up and they would just say, what were you dreaming about? And they would kind of describe their dreams. And then I believe they would just take those descriptions, give it to independent judges, give them like, I don't know, I'm just making this part up, but like 12 different pictures. And they would, one of which was the one that the person in the other room would show them. And based on the descriptions and they, if they, it was done right, which I believe it was, they would either, right. It would be double blind. And they would just based on the description of the dreamer, they would pick the same picture that the person in the other room communicated. Now it wasn't always that way, but odds against chance were overwhelming. So they did a number of different experiments like that. They also tested it against phases of the moon. They tested it against solar flares, like geomagnetic storms, basically. So the more geomagnetic activity there is, the less you dream, the less you have are able to do any of this stuff. Phases of the moon. And this is, this has been told to me by people who are occult experts that you'll generally, generally, you know, has been reported across hermeticism and like for eons that you're more likely to have dreams when the fuller the moon is. So like, full moon, you'll have dreams. That's what Krippner's studies confirmed. You didn't even know that. Like, it's just the left hand's not talking to the right hand. So there's definitely stuff behind this, but there's similar studies that are like that, that would have shown remote feeling. In fact, they brought in a statistician. I think her name was Jessica Utz or something like that. And she was a statistician that reviewed a bunch of the targets that the military teams worked on. And she said, yeah, like the odds against chance were, it's impossible that it was anything other than that. Wow. Now there was someone else who was working with her who came to the opposite conclusion, but it was a little bit. Oh, wow. So is this her? Yep. Can you go down to Wikipedia? I wonder if this is, if this is on there. Investigation of remote viewing. Can you click on that? So yeah, 1995 American Institutes for Research appointed a panel consisting of Utz and Ray Hyman to evaluate a project investigating remote viewing. A report by Utz claimed the results were evidence of psychic functioning. However, Hyman in his report argued Utz's conclusion that ESP had been proven to exist, especially precognition was premature and the findings had not been independently replicated. Interesting. Now, Utz also co-authored papers with the parapsychologist Edwin May, who took over Stargate in 1985. The psychologist David Marks noted that because Utz had been proven to exist, he had not been independently replicated. So Utz has been publishing papers with May that she was not independent in her research, which is very convenient that the woman that found it to be the case actually was not independent at all. And actually all of her conclusions are, are bupkis. That's very interesting. Yeah, so they say. Wow. It's just, it's fascinating that this kind of stuff is like, I've heard of these kinds of experiments being done in closed trials where you give someone a target and you put a color into an envelope and it's double blind where the person that's administering the envelope isn't even familiar with what color is in there. And they're able to determine which color is inside the envelope at like a 70 to 80% rate. Whereas like, you know, I think it was like five or six different colors that could be in there. I mean, the odds of just randomly guessing it would be remarkably low. And to get it to that level of effectiveness is really interesting. It's also interesting to me that it's not 100%. So I guess, at this point, it's like, okay, this has been disclosed, it's been used in the military, and that has been used military intelligence. You yourself, with your background, are 99% sure this is still being employed in some capacity. We have clinical trials within closed environmental conditions to actually test this stuff with alarming accuracy. This brings us to this point where it's like, how? What is going on? How are people able to meditate or close their eyes and see things that they should not be able to see? What could possibly be going on? Yeah, lots of speculation, right? So there's, this is one that I've talked about before. There's something called E8 lattice theory. And this is not what the theory says, but I'm just kind of taking this theory and kind of trying to apply to it. But what it says is, is that reality is kind of made out of like an eight dimensional hypersphere. Right? And then our reality is just a four dimensional time being the fourth dimension projection of the universe. of that sphere, and the smallest unit of that sphere reality is something called a uh like these things called quasi crystals which are of plunk length and each reality of these overlapping realities and we can talk about that in the next episode but we're a lower like a lower projection on of you know the eight-dimensional hypersphere and you could imagine that there would be an infinite number of these shadows so some of the phenomena that we might see could be you know just like you have a radio signal right there's sometimes bleed over or there might be something in some other reality that figured out how to get through that but putting that aside if our reality is kind of based on this eight-dimensional hypersphere then if we were to extract ourselves upward higher dimensions right it's just like if you're walking through where we are right in brooklyn right i can't see an accident six miles away but if somebody added a third dimension and was standing on top of a building right they would be able to see a lot farther than than we would just think of it that way and this is how remote viewing may operate the other thing that is important to note is time might be simultaneous right so let's take i'm throwing a lot of things out here but take like paranormal normal activity right where you see a ghost right is that really someone who's dead or is that just some glitch in the matrix where that reality was since everything is simultaneous is vibrating at a certain frequency and some and sometimes they just sink you briefly see someone from 100 years ago whereas you know since time is simultaneous they're operating right now they think you're the ghost and then i'm not saying that's what it is again speculation is what it is but i'm just thinking that's what it is and then i'm not saying that's what it is again speculation is what it is and then i'm not saying that's what it is again speculation is what it is and then i'm not saying that's what it is again speculation is what it is speculating but it operates on kind of that level you we have all have access to kind of this eight-dimensional reality to add a third thing you've heard about quantum entanglement right well if you take this hypersphere it's kind of like a holographic projection one of the key property of a hologram is that if you take a shard of the hologram you can reconstitute the whole you can reconstitute everything so if we're shards or our reality is a shard of the hologram we should have access as individual shards to the entire picture when you say the hologram what do you mean taking a shard of hologram like uh uh the easiest way to describe it is when you're editing video software right if you take a snip of the video software and then put it in another file you can still reconstitute the entire video because all the information is there i think some aspect of reality is we're all like that we have access to everything and again it's like this gets new agey we're all one and stuff but i i think that's the like the holographic principle that may again i am speculating all this stuff i could be completely off my rocker but i think it operates in that way and all these all these people are doing is they're just accessing that information that we can all access interesting so is anyone able i guess you were describing like okay not anyone is able but like me for example could i be taught how to remote yes and how would i be taught you would just find somebody who has a remote viewing course and you would enroll in it i mean future forecasting group has them you can learn from lynn buchanan you just go to his website and you can sign up for a course um now are you going to get ideally you want to be trained personally but you can still go online and like take a probably coursera or whatever they there's another one i'm blanking on but they're not paying me so it doesn't matter so yeah you can it's something that anybody can learn is it dangerous for most people no but there have been there have been instances like very very like limited where you just get access this information and you you start to have um like a god complex a little bit that's but you have to be doing this like every day constantly and uh the story i'll tell you about that is with david morehouse right he kind of got to see how things worked and what happens is you your intuition goes on overdrive so when you start to interact with people who are authority figures like it's it's easy to see it's much easier to see right through them and you're not as you know you're not as willing to just check yourself and so you'll do things that are not great from a career perspective because you just do you see right through people right and you realize that this guy's a you know lying about everything right you're no longer operating the hierarchy of society you're kind of removed from it and as a result you see this whole thing's an illusion and then once you start acting like society's an illusion the society is going to be pissed yeah so when i said yes there's dangers like i'm making it sound like there won't be a demon that inhabits you and takes you over the dangers are more how the real world reacts and how you so you're going to be much more intuitive you know you'll start to see and hear things that you generally wouldn't pick up on the other thing is if you view the wrong target i shouldn't say wrong target but there are some targets that can put your life in jeopardy right let's say that i'm trying to think of something that let's say that you have the brilliant idea that you want to map all the us where every us uh icbm is and what their corresponding targets are and then you want to and you publish that on the internet right like you're gonna get a knock at the door you're gonna get you're gonna get disappeared as you should be right like so the things there's things like that there are targets that future forecasting group was offered an insane amount of money to do and they turned it down because learn and i don't know i don't know what the target was but if the viewers got access to that information it would put their lives in danger who was asking for the information i don't know this is one of those things that you just don't you don't dig into yeah i mean let's say uh no i'm not going to speculate because it'll i'll make it because i literally don't know i don't know what the target i just know that it was an obscene amount of money is it possible someone could know that they've been remote viewed yes yes if they're kind of trained to to do that when remote viewers remote view non-human intelligences they get noticed like lynn buchanan when he remote viewed those four bases they saw them and they're like it's fine look at what you want you know don't you know we're not we're not going to be upset but we we see you we know you're there which four bases so mount zeal in australia uh there's a base in zimbabwe i forget what again i'm saying it like there is this is what they observe there's multiple remote viewers have observed these mount hayes in alaska that's like right in the middle of the alaskan triangle where people always disappear and then there's uh mount perdido in spain and that that's a whole other thing like steve mara and i think barry fitzgerald ran a who should you should definitely talk to those guys they're focused on the phenomena right and they they they look at places that have negative magnetic anomalies which is generally where a lot of weird things tend to happen and don't ask me to explain what negative magnetic anomaly is because i've asked that question like 60 times to different people and nobody can ever explain it to me but it's just something weird going on with the magnetic field there but there was a um so it says here from the ai on google it occurs when the local magnetic field in an area is weaker than the earth's expected expected background magnetic field and it typically is caused by rocks with reverse magnetic polarity interesting so ocean floor basalt that cooled and solidified during a period of the earth's magnetic poles were flipped while magnetizing the opposite direction strange yeah now i can't remember can you look this will be important it won't make any sense when i ask it though can you look where uh the majority of canada's uranium mines are i'll tell you in a second it's related to mount perdido which is strange i just can't remember what the name of the now these four bases they're okay you got it here um yes athabasca the athabasca basin saskatchewan so when they when they investigated this like mount perdido like a lot of strange things happen one of the things that they did is they had like a gp this episode is brought to you by tf txu energy for the first time ever texans have an energy plan that combines free nights all 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TXU Energy. Rep number 10004. Yes, and they sent a signal, a signal in that area, and the geomagnetic coordinates that came back were for the Athabasca Basin, which is in Canada, in Saskatchewan. So they think there's a portal that leads between the two or that it temporarily opened. The odd thing is you said basalt. I didn't put that together until right now. There's a ton of basalt in that region where they mine the uranium. Another spot of potentially a reverse magnetic polarity. Yeah, potentially. I don't know for sure, but it has been reported that- They just got this, it's just like, what the hell? Why are we getting the grid for a place that's thousands of miles away across the Atlantic Ocean? It's strange. Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff like that. So he looks at these bases, and when you say base, you mean non-human intelligence bases? And he goes to these places and he looks for something. Yeah, and he finds non-human intelligences working with humans. So if we were to go to- To these places, would we see them in our present reality, or is this something that exists in kind of like the liminal in-between reality? We would see them. We would see them. Did I tell you all? Yeah, I told you all four. And can anyone go to these places, or do you think they're, are they blocked off by governments? They're, well, if you go to Mount Hayes, you'll very likely disappear, because that's the Alaska Triangle, right? It's like right in the middle. And there's- There's a huge number of disappearances there. I mean, there's one in Spain, though. I mean- So a lot of weird, like if you talk to the locals, they see UFOs all the time, but they don't, they see it so often, they don't talk about it. So, or they don't put much, like, yeah, we saw one of these cigar-shaped things going overhead, et cetera. And you get, when these guys went there, they got really sick. Like, when Steve described it to me, it sounded to me like radiation sickness. So, yeah, there's, there's lots of weirdness. It's not safe. So where, you said Hayes in Alaska, Spain- Mount Perdido. Mount Perdido. And then what were the other two? Mount Zeal in Alaska. And then Mount, I, it's a place in Zimbabwe. I guess, like, I can't, I can't pronounce it. I mean, isn't that, isn't Zimbabwe also the place where that craft landed for all those kids? Yes. Rua, yeah. Hmm. And if you, if you were just to walk up to these places, you think that something or somehow you would be rejected from going in there or potentially disappear? Potentially disappear. Now, Mount Hayes, Alaska, I would put the highest confidence that you would disappear because it's, it's in the middle of, like, rugged mountainous terrain in Alaska, right? So any number of things could happen. You could be eaten by bears. You could be, it's just, there's an obscene number of people that disappear when they go, when they're, it could also be that they discover, they walk, uncover this thing and then they're disappeared. So Buchanan goes and remote views these places and whatever non-human intelligence is there saw him and was like, oh, we know that you're doing this. Now, I've also heard a story, I forget who it was, that someone remote viewed another planet and started to see, like, all sorts of weird stuff, like, basically like a factory or something like that of non-human intelligence. They did this all the time. Like, they, was that Ingo Swann? I don't think it was Ingo Swann. They all, they all did. Like, Ed Dames, who recently passed, as practice targets, he would have people look. Oh, yes, it was Ingo Swann. So in a recorded session, prominent psychic Ingo Swann was tasked to remotely view the planet Jupiter six years before the NASA Voyager mission. 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And I think that's kind of what's going on with remote viewing. And I think that's kind of what's going on with that understanding of reality. Yeah. Psychokinesis, same thing. And precognitive dreams is something that you've also kind of looked at and experienced to an extent. Is that true? Yeah. So what I do is anything that has that flavor, I'll just write it down and I'll publish it. And then like the thing that we just talked about at the very beginning with the, I'm not sure if that's a precognitive dream, right? But it's sure as hell is a weird synchronicity. Mm-hmm. Right. But I've had other things that, I'll give you one specific example. I had a dream back in, I think March of 2025. I wrote it down on my YouTube channel, my community thing, just to timestamp it basically. And I saw people in like winter green uniforms with like white lettering. And there was also like a hint of orange somewhere else and they were protesting. And for whatever reason, I'm like, this is, I knew it was in Missoula, Montana. And there was a redheaded guy like yelling at somebody. Okay. So in December of 2025, Starbucks and Amazon had labor strikes in Missoula, Montana. And there wasn't a redheaded guy in the video of like local news, but it was a redheaded woman that was in there. Amazon has like, it's like an orange, black and white. Right. And then as you know, like Starbucks is that hunter green and white. So it's not perfect, but that's a pretty solid hit. Right. Specifically being in Missoula. Yeah. That's so interesting. So what does happen is if you start writing your dreams down, you'll start noticing it more often. All the time. I can't control it, but I think everybody can do it. If you read Time Loops by Eric Wargo, I mean, I'll give you, I'll give you other really weird examples, right? You probably can't, it's not even, it's not even a dream, but let's take my master's thesis, right? Like I wrote it 20 years ago. It's happening now. I published a anthology. I was an editor of an anthology. It's called Weird World War III. It had the U.S. against Russia, right? It came out in, I think, 2020. Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022. Right. So there's, you know, is that perfect? Kind of? No. But I mean, it's weird. With those examples, it's like, well, you are an academic that's working in a specific field, studying things and able to kind of infer things, right? Correct. There's been many people like wrote about like, you know, potential tensions with Iran erupting in some capacity. We've been talking about this for like 30 years. A hundred percent. Or maybe even since 79. A hundred percent. So with that, it's like a, it's a little bit. Plausibly deniable. Right. That one's a little easier for me to be like, well, you might've just been, you know, a great researcher. Yeah. And inferring things and able to kind of like predict some future stuff. But something like a dream that's really uncontrollable that then manifests is very strange. I remember reading a story of a woman that was, I'm sure I could find her name, but she basically, I think, had been involved. Oh, it's actually, she was leaving her synagogue and I think was like struck by lightning in the parking lot. Oh, I've heard this one. Here to near, hit a nearby truck. And she ends up going to the hospital. And then since then starts having like weird dreams. And so she goes and sees a psychologist because the dreams keep on kind of manifesting in like a really uncomfortable way. And she didn't want this to happen. She wanted it to stop. She was like, can you give me a drug to make me stop dreaming? And she goes and basically tells her therapist everything. And then the therapist is like, well, every time you have a dream, just email it to me. That way it's timestamped. And then with a very strange regularity, these dreams start getting timestamped. And one significant famous one is she's like, I had a dream. And then she's like, I had a dream. And I think this is probably she's writing this around like 2007 or eight or something. And she timestamps it to her therapist, who again, is not someone involved in this world. It's just a regular old therapist. And her dream is that there's a plane flying through New York City. She thinks it's another terror attack. She's afraid. And then the plane crashes into the Hudson. And then within like the next week, Sully Sullenberger lands his plane onto the Hudson, basically as she described it. And it was, I think, published in a couple of journals, because they were like, well, we have the timestamp. And then this thing happens. It's a pretty specific time and place. Okay, Elizabeth Greenfield Crone, a woman from Houston, who was struck by lightning outside of her synagogue in 1988. And yeah, she's getting out the car and then has this near death experience. If you scroll down, you can see some of the dreams. So yeah, prescient nightmares that predict natural disasters. Do you have an example of one of these ones that she predicts? Not her, but have you looked into Christopher Robinson? So he worked for 30 years for MI6 and MI5. And he was a precognitive dreamer. But he would see, they would use him to foil IRA plots. And he saw the Lockerbie bombing before it happened. And it was so intense that he insisted that they write, that he like write it down and put it in an affidavit, like a sworn affidavit the day before. It happened. And Scotland Yard was like, I don't know if you want to do this, because if it happens, they might suspect that you had something to do with it. He's just like, no, no, we have to do this. Like I have to. And of course it happened. But he's, strangely, he doesn't get a lot of attention. Like it's, it's, it's so strange that it's suspicious. Matthew Robinson. Christopher Robinson. He's a British. He saw 9-11 too. He just didn't know if it was going to be in New York or, um, or London. Wow. And he also had a relationship with, uh, Thomas Drake. Are you familiar with him? Mm-hmm. He was a NSA whistleblower. He was the one who was talking about this collection methodology that was completely illegal. They were collecting on American citizens. And he, uh, you know, he had to do some time and it kind of ruined his life. I mean, he's coming back now, but. Wow. He knew Christopher Robinson and Christopher Robinson warned him that, he was going to be, he's going to get nine charges. And the dream he had, it was like the nine bottles of beer on the wall. Right. And he said, you know, he called him up and I'm sure like FBI was, cause it's a trans Atlantic call was hearing this call. And basically it was, he was trying to alert Thomas Drake that he was going to get nine charges. He was going to beat all of them. Right. So can you imagine being the FBI, knowing that you're building a case on this guy? And then he gets tipped off. And having a precognitive dreamer tell him. That he was going to be charged like nine charge. And of course, Thomas Drake's like, that's ridiculous. It's not going to happen. Kind of like relax. And sure as hell he did. Wow. That is crazy. So yeah, he's a former, uh, executive of the NSA. Wow. But there are connections here that you don't hear about publicly. Like Chris Mellon knows about Christopher Robinson. Right. He spoke to him personally and said, look, we don't have remote viewers as let me call them a remote viewer, but he's more of a precognitive. Dreamer, but he's like, we don't have people who can do it, do it as well as you do. Wow. So now how does this interface with like your theory, I guess, of like reality, like, is there a God in this example? Is there a shared consciousness in this example? Like, what does that look like for you on like a personal basis? So there's a God, but I don't, you know, know what to, I don't know what to call, call him. I, I mean, I'll, I grew up Catholic. I still kind of as a hedge. Right. You've heard of Pascal's wager. Right. So I kind of will pray, will rely on that to ground me so that I don't get too far into the, you know, you get into this, some of this stuff, it can, it can take you to some dislike. We haven't talked about, we talked almost entirely about divination, but we haven't talked about, and these are definitions that Dean Radin came up with. We haven't talked about enchantment and we haven't talked about theurgy. Right. Which is theurgy is like the invocation. of, for lack of a better word, non-human intelligence. god could be one it could be others but once you and even dean radin will tell you like enchantment and divination is kind of one thing but once you start messing like with theurgy that's when people kind of can easily go off the rails because you don't know what you're dealing with interesting but yeah again god i believe that there's a god now what is the nature of that god it could be we're shards of one you know consciousness that's experiencing itself it sounds very new agey but uh you know and everything could have some level of consciousness right even the table and things like that and there's some quantum physics to support some level of that right so for sure i was like panpsychism there's like a term kind of to touch on this idea yeah and there's there at one point the government my understanding so this could be pure speculation but my understanding is that one of the reasons they don't want all this out is that once people realize they can it's you know it's kind of a co-creation kind of reality once people realize that they can have more control of reality than they think you have something called uh you risk something called panpsychic collapse right that's why there's such like this huge effort on narrative control right you keep everybody on the same sheet of music because it starts to diverge you know i think they were worried about reality kind of shattering in some sense i don't know like literal reality like like that it's somehow being subsisted by the fact that people don't know about it yeah everybody that's why there's so much effort in terms of getting everybody in a common narrative we exist in sort of the shared reality and once people are diverge from it and manipulating their own reality in some way on a physical level it starts to unwind yeah there was so like i i have a friend who was tasked on a project for someone who is was in the orbit of somebody in the government it could be it was just some random crazy pet project but that was the concern that he looked at was um what you know what's the risk of panpsychic collapse it was very philosophical you know right wasn't grounded but yeah now you yourself have removed viewed before i've had like i've had training in it and i've done like one or two targets i'm not very good because i have no practice and why do you not practice more time really what what fills the rest of the gaps of time to me i'm like this is so exciting if i was like i know like as connected as you are i'd be like dude i'll be practicing all the time there's other things you can try that are you know not disclosed or that you can at this point like the whole disclosure movement we can talk about that but i've given up on the government like they're not gonna tell us anything so again this is why the grounding with how i was raised kind of helps keep me there because you try to experiment with different things right so like dreaming trying to visit other people in dreams things like that just testing it out you know getting consent from somebody seeing what they experience and then trying it again or not trying it there's other things that i think we might be capable of that the only way you're ever going to find out if it is if you try and you've had you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of experiences with the government and you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of experience with the government and you've had a lot of out of the bed and you're kind of at the foot of my bed you have this like ant mound like thing and there are these like ant-like two like ant-like entities brownish kind of with like a bat sort of flavor and i kind of recognize them in the dream and i just kind of acknowledge them and i feel a little bit uneasy but then they just start burrowing back down and then burrowing back up under my feet i'm like oh hell no right then the next dream i have same night there's i'm in my kind of backyard at home as a child uh no i'm not a child in the dream but i see into this above ground pool that we had there's a lance and the lance is impaling these seven or six silhouettes and there's a presence behind for me. of say to the presence i'm like don't you think that's kind of a little much a little provocative and the voice is like no it's fine so laird that night he has a separate dream throughout his life this entity is like no matter what he did in his dreams it would always just mock him plague him and hurt people that he loved like he would he started working out when he was younger so he would like dismember it in the dream and it would still taunt him stuff like that in his dream he saw this entity it was like a superhero physique right and it was screaming at him and i kind of had like red sort of skin like just weight hot like off-color eyes screaming at him inside a magic circle and then it morphed into a australian shepherd which is a dog that he kind of likes and then that thing starts growling starts going crazy and it's just running around the circle trapped and he said after that like he didn't have any dreams like that about a week later something came back and uh we did the same thing same exercise actually i have to connect with them see if it ever came back and i said well let's just try let's try do it again and he was in the airport and there was like a bag of trash and he would have to throw something out or something and he opens it up and there's this guy's like head and there's all these like body parts and it's like starting to come back together and he said that this figure uh from behind you know at the airport he was at the airport when this happening he jumped over the the cashier's desk or whatever the heck it was he said it was just a shadow and helped him contain this thing and that was it so again correlation does not imply causation but as far as i'm concerned i don't think it's a causation but i think it's a causation but as far as i know he hasn't reached back out wow so i don't know what happened it's just he's been plagued with this thing and you do this sort of dream thing and you just kind of set your intention before i actually prayed for this one i actually asked i prayed to god i prayed to saint michael and i prayed to saint gabriel or the archangel michael and gabriel so that's why i said it could be it could be me it could be one of you know just some non-human intelligence that took care of this thing but whatever it was it was it was pissed wow bizarre just bizarre i can't explain what it is i'm just laying out like the correlations again for the audience it could totally be i'm totally open to it being the subconscious of both of us just feeding off of each other i don't know but he's never had a dream like that before right and the outcome is that this thing is now not plaguing him anymore so even as far as i know i haven't reached out to him recently but even if it's purely placebo it's like well yeah yeah it works yeah it could be a placebo effect 100 right but it also could be some type of uh entanglement in some some other realm sean thank you so much brother i really appreciate it this is awesome where can people find your show if they want to stay connected so through a glass darkly with sean i couldn't get the through glass darkly but you can find that on youtube you can also find me on seanpatrickhazelit.com it's just a generic website you can find me on twitter at seanphazelit at x whatever.com and uh i'm on facebook i'm on instagram i don't check as much i have a tiktok account now it's uh the tagd podcast there and if people want to learn more about remote viewing specifically where's the best place for that so go to the future forecasting group that's a good place to start also look up lynn buchanan 1n also look up david morehouse paul smith also pretty good daz smith that's another person and then ed riordan amazing sean thank you so much brother i appreciate it let's do it soon yeah this is awesome thank you mark hey guys if you love conspiracies and hypothetical history well i want to invite you to check out signal 33 this is a companion pod to our podcast here at camp it's made and edited by the same team that runs all of our shows and i choose the topics every single week so check it out subscribe and start the dialogue in the comments section this episode is brought to you by txu energy for the first time ever texans have an energy plan that is free 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