Reddit's Scariest True Crime Ghost Stories

Hi, everyone. Before today's episode, we want to tell you about What the Fact. It's a new show from Conor Tomlinson, you know, from Netflix's Love on the Spectrum, and Carter Roy from Murder, True Crime Stories. Every week, they take three unbelievable true facts from history and tell you the full story behind them. Conor's infectious energy will make you realize history is the most fascinating thing on Earth. Follow What the Fact wherever you listen or subscribe on YouTube at What the Fact Pod. That was when I saw this long, lanky shadow peeking in through the doorway of my room. It had long, black, finger-like tendrils protruding from black limbs as thin as a twig. I stared at it. And though it didn't have any discernible eyes, I could tell it was staring at me. And it dropped to the floor on its hands and knees and began crawling towards my bed. If you're loving Crimes of Reddit, please follow, rate, and review us wherever you listen. It helps me out a lot. It helps us build this community, and we love hearing from you. To get early access and ad-free listening, subscribe to the Crime House Plus community on Apple Podcasts. You can also catch us on YouTube, where we include visuals that bring every case to life, including costumes, today. Hello. Welcome back to Crimes of Reddit. In the spooky season. It's here. It's among us. It's within our very own bones. And if you're watching the video, you might notice that it's transformed us. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't either. Uh, we are your co-hosts. I'm Alex- Whoa. I'm Alexis. That is incredible. You should have just kept going and really freaked people out. I'm Sabrina Deanna Roga, or something else. I'm Alexis Linkletter. Or am I a fruit bat? Who knows? Or am I Nosferatu? Actually, we are dressing costumes, so if you are listening to this episode, you might want to go check out the YouTube video, because we dressed up. For today's episode, because if you haven't been able to tell already, we are doing Halloween spooky-related stories, and we actually did a costume reveal to one another. We didn't tell each other what we were dressing up as, and we filmed a whole reveal, which we will show you right now, or let you listen to. All right. Three, two, one. Are you? A fruit bat? Yeah! Are you Slenderman? It's Nosferatu. Oh, I should have guessed the hands. Oh, my God. You look so good. You look- I would not have recognized you as a brunette. Like, if you were on the street- No, it's not a good look. Yeah, you're not a brunette. No. You're a blonde. You are not bald, but you are. I am bald. You look gorgeous. I love it. Ready to go out. Woo! One thing about me, I love. Actually, two things about me. I love Halloween, and I love a bald cap. Yeah, when it was Sabrina's birthday recently, she's like, everyone has to wear a bald cap, and I was like, no, I can't do that. You have a good head for a bald cap. Most people do not. I don't think I do. I just enjoy. I like the fact that I don't feel like myself when I'm wearing this attire. What do you. Clearly, I thought I was you. What do you. Honestly, I feel like I'm a bald cap. I feel like Nosferatu, but then I hear my voice, and I'm like, well, that doesn't line up. That doesn't work. But I guess the original Nosferatu is a silent movie, so I will not talk the rest of it. I'm just kidding. But, like, you really go all out, and I really commend you for that. Don't look too closely. But, like, that's what cool, pretty girls do, and it's working. Thanks. Well, I like yours. It's very clever. Thank you. Fruit bat. Yeah, so today we're doing a little, like, spin, a spooky spin on the theme. Yeah. We're celebrating my favorite holiday, Halloween. And, again, since Halloween is around the corner, we went digging for the spookiest, most paranormal crimes that we could find on Reddit. And even though we look different today, it's the same in that we don't know each other's stories. So we're going to be reacting in real time. In real time. Mm-hmm. And today we even have a story that was submitted by one of our listeners on our subreddit. Actually, I think it was a story also from a Two Girls, One Ghost listener, because on a campfire stories of Two Girls, One Ghost, she was telling us about the story. And I was like, oh, my gosh, you have to submit it to our crimes of Reddit. And she was like, I did. I love that. And I think that's the one you have. Anywho, get ready. What sound does a bat make? How do you do echolocation? I'm doing it right now. Can you imagine? All the bats come flocking. You can't imagine. I have been so much more conscious of the products that I'm using every day and what I'm putting on my skin, which is why I love Primally Pure. 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So before we get into this first story, we do want to give a content warning. There are mentions of child homicide, gun violence, suicide, and a home invasion attempt, so please watch with care. This is a story that was submitted on the subreddit Ghost Stories. It is called, I think an entity tried to kill my family. And so if this was not made clear, the spin that we have is like these are paranormal additions. Adjacent crimes that have a lot of true crime aspects, but a paranormal spin. Ghosts, ghouls, goblins, Nosferatus. Vampires. Could you imagine me haunting you? Like if I was the ghost in your closet? You know, you look scary, but I feel like I could take you. Okay, rude. But also you probably totally could. Yeah, I could. I have grown up in a haunted house. I've lived there since I was six months old. I am now 19 years old. There are a million possible explanations for the various activities that go on in this house. First, the house is over 120 years old. It was built in 1898. There has also been at least one case of someone dying on the property. The person in question died by suicide in the garage on the property. Additionally, there was one woman who was born in the house and lived there until she was 93, then went to an asylum. She died in an assisted living home where she died shortly after leaving the house. So we think it's possible she may have come back to our house after death because her entire life was spent in the house. Additionally, I am an antique collector. I have a number of old and creepy and some downright, shall we say, morbid artifacts. I have an authentic mask carved by the Nepalese of the Hindu goddess of death and destruction. I have an antique Russian doll that was owned, owned by a young girl who got sick and then died in the 60s. And it has been said that the doll has paranormal energy attached to it. I have plenty of different masks from the Congo and Africa, which are authentic and they were sold by a museum that had gone bankrupt. I have coins ranging in age from 100 to 3,000 years old from every continent that created metal coinage in their history. What a cool collection. So cool. I have a couple of haunted dolls at home. Why? Because my podcast, Two Girls, One Girl, Haunted dolls. Where did you procure them? Some people have given them to us or I purchased two from eBay. And I've never had anything happen. I have no haunted items that you know of. I'm your haunted item. You're my haunted item for sure. You collected me. Yes. Okay. OP says, And perhaps most morbid of all, I have a lock of Abraham Lincoln's hair. Whoa. And a fragment of wood of the Galilee. were the conspirators in his assassination. were hung whoa i have questions the point is there are a lot of things in my household which carry the potential to have a lot of spiritual energy and we have had plenty of experiences with different entities which proves there is some sort of activity in this house there's a picture included in this story none of the entities we have ever experienced have ever been or tried to be harmful they have been somewhat threatening in nature before like one morning we woke up to find a knife stabbed into the floor of the kitchen it was an exacto knife that was still in its case but it had hit the ground with enough force that the case had shattered so the knife's just like that's really strange yeah but there have never been any outright attempts to harm anyone or anything in this house until this event so what happened this night happened in two separate parts sort of it's kind of difficult to explain and there's no true way of knowing if we're going to be able to do this or not if we're going to be able to do this or not what happened downstairs preceded what happened in my room or if it happened after or if it happened at the same time but the point is these two things happened and i believe they were definitely linked no matter what order they happened in it all started out for me at least when i woke up in my bedroom at around 3 a.m i didn't look at my phone so i don't know the exact time i looked at my phone after all that had happened and at that time it was 3 21 a.m so op assumes they woke up at three what happened couldn't have taken more than eight minutes so i woke up and i realized that my lights were out which is strange i have very bad paranoia when it comes to the dark and as a result i have to sleep with some sort of light on and whenever i wake up and that light is out which is very rare but once in a while it's due to a storm because my part of town can lose power but when it happens i wake up and i freak out so as soon as i came out of my tired stupor i instantly began to toss and turn trying to fiddle with my phone light most of the time the light has just gone out to a momentary loss of power and so i just need to turn it back on but this time i felt around for the light and when i hit the button to turn it back on nothing happened so i grabbed my phone to give some light and saw that had been pulled out of the wall entirely this has never happened before and i found it extremely creepy i tried to brush it off i plugged the light back into the wall and i tried to lay back down to go to sleep but i couldn't i think everybody has probably at some point in their life had that indescribable feeling of being watched and i had that feeling it was just so innate and obvious that i couldn't ignore it so i laid there on my bed with my eyes flitting open and shut for a minute or two before i flipped over that was when i saw this long lanky shadow peeking in through the doorway of my room it had long black fingers and it was like i was in a dream like tendrils protruding from black limbs as thin as a twig it was anthropomorphic in shape i stared at it and though it didn't have any discernible eyes i could tell it was staring at me i couldn't look away i was afraid of what it might do if i turned away from it and it dropped to the floor on its hands and knees and began crawling towards my bed it crawled around the foot of my bed and around the side of my bed and i couldn't look away i was afraid of what it might do if i could see its head again but still no face my bed is placed against a wall on one side and i pushed myself up against the wall as far away from where this thing is as possible i closed my eyes and i started murmuring under my breath telling it to go away i didn't want to wake up or alarm my family so i tried to stay quiet and after i stayed huddled for like maybe two or three minutes although it felt like an eternity i opened my eyes and that thing that had been there was gone i straightened back out on my bed utterly shaken by what i had seen it was easily the most terrifying thing i had experienced in a long long time i tried to fall back asleep although i knew it was pointless it took until 7 a.m maybe for me to fall back asleep finally and even then it was probably only for an hour and when i woke up i went downstairs to find my mom already awake she was already a morning person so this is not out of the ordinary but she had some news which made what i had witnessed the night prior even more disturbing she said at some point during the night the gas from our stovetop turned itself on and so the entire night natural gas had been leaking out through our house which i don't know if that could pose a potential suffocation hazard but i do know it's a massive hazard for explosions she had opened all the windows and turned on some fans and air circulators to try and get the gas out and dissipate as much of it as possible but she had been airing everything out i could still smell that faint whiff of the natural gas hanging in the air which very seriously could have wound up being deadly had there been a candle burning or had someone turned on a lighter at the very wrong moment luckily that was not the case but we wasted no time in cleansing our house we put up a few crosses and let any malevolent presences know that they are not welcome thankfully nothing dangerous or aggressive like that has happened since but it is still something that has terrified me for quite some time now and then they put a photo to kind of back up other hauntings that they've experienced in their house and as context this is a photo that was taken in the back room of their house by a night vision camera long after everyone in the house had gone upstairs to bed it's on an entirely different floor than where everyone sleeps and the apparition is clear as day so we have two things to dissect here uh-huh do you see the human being i see like two different things what do you see this is what i'm looking at like right here so i see a woman here but i see a face here oh where's the face so i see a woman's body there yeah but i sort of like see in the like fog yeah like that's what i thought it it looks almost like you know when a shutter speed and a camera is turned really slow yeah it almost looks like the the path of a face is like being traced and then it's like right there oh i see two like ghost figures the woman is the woman is crystal clear like that looks like a human woman walking around but this looks like some sort of ghost to me i see more than one thing yeah that's terrifying because that's like a photo of a woman that's like a rec like someone could recognize that if that was their mom yeah what do you think about the entity potentially trying to like kill the family so you tell me like have you heard about these tendril entities like is that recognizable because i've never heard of are they demons there's so many different types of entities listen here's what i will say i've been doing two girls one ghost podcasts for nine years and the one thing i can confidently say is that i don't know anything about anything can they take whatever form they want i don't know i don't i don't know the rules i don't know the rules come on tell me i think you must know you think i know and i'm just not telling i don't know like i wonder if you're a ghost can you be like if you can dream it you can do it type thing listen i want that to be the case because i would be an amazing ghost i know like i'm i hope there's no rules and like all the rules that i want there to be because i would i would show up like this yeah you'd have to yeah or voldemort or gollum that's all different iterations of the same thing yeah bald you'd be a bald cap entity a scary bald cap entity yeah home i don't know i mean it definitely sounds like this does align with a lot of stories where people wake up in the middle of the night have a feeling that someone's watching them usually it's associated or brought along brought on with some version of sleep paralysis and then yeah there are these like amorphous like smoky black long tendril like entities but the whole like dropping to its hands and knees does it have hands or is it just it's it's appendages hands and quotes well we've talked about this you believe in the paranormal do you think this was a paranormal experience yeah what's interesting though is like so we see this entity in a human form on this night vision camera i always wonder if it's like some push-pull like battle between okay safe neutral entities and the dark ones because you see some some of that depicted in like film right where it's like there's bad demons there's good spirits like it sounds like something like that is going on especially when you're watching a movie and you're like oh my god i'm going to be especially since op talked about like harmless haunting up until that point yeah and it's like maybe maybe like a portal opened and that dark one got in i agree then the others like maybe the other ones are good ones and they're like not tonight yeah tendril or tendril just was really strong and came in guns a blaring yeah yeah because i do agree i feel like this house just has a lot of energy and this is not the one that's hanging out all the time no so one comment people were bringing up a couple times in this post was maybe the gas leak caused hallucinations and sleep disturbance which yes that could be possible but i feel like if the gas was leaking for that long more people in the house would have had some type of disturbance or if you're like me and you want to say hey it's paranormal did this evil entity do both things yeah that's a great hypothesis and also if you're listening and you don't believe in ghosts totally fine you can just enjoy this as a fun story okay and then someone else commented i almost wonder if someone else commented on this something good unplugged your light knowing that this thing was coming to push it over and possibly cause an explosion which is super creepy and then op wrote oh damn that's an interesting thought it was a near indestructible led light so they don't think it was like the case but then someone else said i wonder if this thing was trying to mess with the outlet somehow to cause some type of spark which op was also like didn't consider that perhaps scary yeah what would you do in that situation die like i i don't know that sounds honestly i've never been in a situation you've had sleep paralysis though i've seen yeah but that wasn't danger that was like what i experienced was like warped and like a distorted and strange but like not it was didn't feel in danger it was like a dreamlike state that i was in but i was definitely awake but like i've never been in a situation of like sheer terror where someone is in my doorway that i don't recognize or or something i see and then like every once in a while you mistakenly see something out of the corner of your eye but then you look and it's not what you thought yeah i've never been like whoop yep and it's coming you know i've never had like something that intense happen to me so it's hard to say i really don't know yeah i don't think i've ever had that intense but i've had quite a lot of paranormal experiences you you will it to yourself you it's self-fulfilling for you most of them happened before i ever had a podcast about the paranormal and then the scariest thing that did happen in recent years was i for sure the one that followed you home from was it scotland i went to um gray fryer's kirk yard in edinburgh scotland and there's this tomb for bloody mckenzie and there's this like quote there's this like kind of like bloody mary type of game that you can play and you're supposed to whisper it into the tomb and our tour guide was like who wants to play a game and stupidly i'm there by myself i'm there by myself and i'm there by myself and i'm there by myself i raised my hand and i was like i do then immediately i was like why did i do that and then i verbatim said the like it's basically mocking and beckoning bloody mckenzie to haunt you it's like come and get me but the whole time i was saying it in my head i was yelling i was like i'm joking i don't mean it don't come and i got sleep paralysis that night and a terrifying entity tried to i don't know move my legs it did something very strange restless leg syndrome no it literally i felt like ankles or i felt like hands grabbed my ankles and started pulling my legs apart and i could not move my body what did it want i think it was trying to terrify me it was truly trying to instill fear and it did it did just that but it was my fault you know we all need to live and learn you need to be humbled every once in a while yeah i love that yeah that's our first story you hi i'm connor tomlinson you might know me from love on the spectrum 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starring charlie hunnam who he did a hair flip for charlie hunnam you're like now your hair's on your wing look away charlie okay so this was posted five years ago in the ghost stories reddit and this one is short but it's definitely chilling and definitely worth unpacking okay so op says this most people here are probably aware of the story of ed gein for those that aren't he was a small town handyman who confessed to murdering two women in addition to stealing numerous bodies from their graves that's not really what he's known for no he's not most known for the murders although those were horrific he was most known for what he would do with body parts the lampshades nipple belts the furniture yeah he made things he made like bowls out of skulls he did really weird stuff yeah he was break he was grave robbing because he had a fascination with body parts and he was deeply mentally ill yes yes anyways op continues so one of the women he murdered was the owner of the local hardware which he shot and killed her that building still stands today now it's worth mentioning these murders occurred in the 50s so they're quite old now op says their story happened 20 years ago from five years ago so this is an old story and the context there is that this building has had a lot of iterations has changed quite a lot since the original hardware store where this murder occurred okay so op continues i live in that same town and it was just before thanksgiving when this happened i had already started decorating my place for christmas and i needed to replace some of the lights so i was able to get the lights so i just made a quick trip to the hardware store for a couple of boxes i knew the building was rumored to be haunted by the murdered woman but i never sad i know because she was murdered there in the building yeah but op says i never put much stock in that so they go to the store i was in the back area where they kept the christmas decorations and was about to grab the lights when i heard someone nearby saying something about antifreeze so i was in the back area where i turned my head chilling i turned my head and saw a woman walking by and the woman had a massive gunshot wound in her head wasn't didn't ed gein ask for anti antifreeze like didn't he come in with that as his cover story yeah she then suddenly disappeared so op says i just stood there in shock for a good minute when i finally made my way to the front of the store to pay for the lights the guy behind the counter took one look at my face and simply said you saw her didn't you yeah whoa now like you said i mean the victim who was murdered in the hardware store her name was bernice warden and yes gein purchased a gallon of antifreeze from warden's hardware store when he murdered her and he actually kept the receipt and the receipt was written in the victim's handwriting and later found at the scene and it actually led to his arrest his arrest yeah and how they figured out it was him now some more context on gein for those who just don't know i'm pretty sure episode one of crimes of that corinne and i covered was ed gein so in this audio feed if you want to go back and listen to that episode i love that it was very thorough so some more context about gene he confessed to killing another woman who owned the local tavern and her name was mary hogan and he did that in 1954 and many believe that he also murdered his older brother when he was arrested he was deemed insane initially and he remained in a mental hospital until his death in 1984 though he did eventually stand trial for one of the murders 10 years after he was arrested and a lot of film and movies and books were sort of based on gene including psycho the texas chainsaw massacre the silence of the lambs because silence of the lambs specifically i feel like they made like skin lamps in that movie and um there were several documentaries created about him as well damn i can't believe her i feel so sad that her spirit is still there i know how do you relinquish a spirit from that those shackles again i don't have all the answers i because there's also different types of hauntings there's the residual hauntings where someone maybe it's just like a stain an energetic stain and it's like her last moments after such a traumatic or when a traumatic thing happened that like it just is a on a repeat it's like an imprint yeah she might not fully be there it might be gone but it's sort of stuck yeah like a memory in an astral plane yeah which is what i hope it is because i would hate to think that someone who is a victim of such a horrible crime is stuck reliving those locked in that moment yeah i also do believe and i think this happens with like human beings as well that parts of us or energy pieces of us do chip off when something like really traumatic happens or even like something really really good happens and i like i think back to a moment in the house that i grew up in where something like traumatic happened to me sometimes i wonder if the people who live there now ever experience hauntings in that like one room in the basement where it happened probably i feel like i feel like you can definitely keep energy stays in houses i mean it's why people sage rooms yes like this is all rooted in tradition and history and people really believing that probably because it's true yeah agreed yeah that's true yeah i think that's true yeah i think that's true yeah i think that's true yeah i think there are a couple comments we should go through okay so one poster said i thought the store was closed hasn't it been closed for years at any rate it might be time for you guys to seek a shaman or medium to help her and any other victims who are not at rest the op responded and said the store remained open under different names and under different owners until it finally closed down for good about seven or eight years ago now it's vacant which is even creepier and another user said i drove through playing field some years ago with a buddy of mine stopped at a local bar restaurant as soon as we walked in everyone looked at us and it took forever for us to get served the town gives me the creeps yeah i've never been there so i don't know no but the op said that's pretty much playing fields in a nutshell yeah which is sad also that that history has like made such an imprint on what the town is still to this day and interesting one of the users also had the same theory as you one posted the only thing i'm curious about is the ghost of the woman in the house and i'm like oh my god i don't know what's going on with the woman in the house is she if she is a residual haunting or playing over and over if she ever has been known to interact with the living it's a good question especially because the guy at the front of the store knew instantly you saw her didn't you i mean in implying that he has had multiple encounters with her yeah and that she seems to be doing the same thing probably the same dress pacing around all that stuff oh yeah that's chilling but the op says she's a residual haunting the last person she'd interacted with was gain himself how often do people see her op says there's at least once or twice a month but now that the building's vacant i guess nobody sees her but if she's residual that's okay because it's not like it's an act of haunting who's then lonely i was gonna ask and i literally have a i wrote this question in what happens when a ghost is haunting a structure and then what if the structure knocks down or is demolished or is never like entered again like does the ghost just keep haunting haunting no one again it goes back to the question if it's perceived like is it like a tree falls in the woods did anyone hear it like did did it make a sound well i think this goes to like we had this conversation when you were on two girls been ghost of there are so many things that the human eye cannot perceive like cats and animals see colors on a different spectrum than we do they hear sounds that we in frequencies that we literally cannot hear so if us humans are not perceiving them i imagine the pets are still yeah i think that's a good question i think that's a good question but i don't know what happens to them because there's stories where spirits can travel then there's also stories where spirits are like stuck in one place that i yeah i don't know i don't know great mysteries of the world one day we'll have answers and if we don't in this lifetime don't worry i'll haunt everyone in the future and i will make it even more confusing all right are you ready for the next one yeah the government gets a bad reputation but did you know that the roads under your feet the forecast on your phone the letter in your mailbox that's all government too i'm professor lindsay cormack and i'm hosting a new podcast called government that doesn't suck alongside professor greg jackson who you may know from the hit podcast history that doesn't suck each episode we dig into the surprising story of an american institution from the origins of the internet to the national park service to the gi bill and so much more you'll hear more about the history of the government the stories behind them plus a conversation with an expert who knows it inside and out this is the real history of how we built the country under your feet and you'll never look at any of it the same way again listen to and follow government that doesn't suck available now wherever you get your podcasts i was excited for this story because it has both a true crime and a paranormal aspect and it is called did a ghost help me solve a murder or is it all a coincidence this was posted on the paranormal subreddit 10 months ago oh recent yes but i do think this story happened back in the 90s okay quick warning this really happened and does involve the death of a young girl so content warning and they also write that they're not putting any names in this story and they asked anyone in the comments to not try to find the name in case people from the case or connected to the case are still alive so they wrote i'll be vague on the details but this is a story i've kept since i was eight and i kind of need some sort of closure as i mentioned i was eight years old when this happened it was the late 90s my mom and i went to the grocery store and while there we found these missing person flyers for a girl my age when i saw it i wanted to take it home because the girl had curly hair and i wanted to try and draw it also little me figured if i saw her at school or something i would recognize her i took the flyer back to my home and i had a concrete porch and as context there was definitely already something very wrong with our house i often felt paranoid or i saw shadowy figures staring at the end of the hallway i once got a bad scratch on my back despite sleeping in a bed surrounded by stuffed animals and there were dead baby birds around the house all the time that is dead birds is always bad yes the concrete porch was also very odd since it was like a huge brick of painted concrete and was the only of its kind in the house and i was like oh my god what's going on here my mom also tells me that i was always terrified of that house and though i vividly remember the many reasons why it always struck me as odd that i was the only one affected and i had a younger sister as well who never seemed impacted by it on this day i went to my room and i laid on my stomach on my floor with colored pencils a blank piece of paper and that flyer of the missing girl not five minutes into drawing i was overcome with that sort of fear you get when someone is yelling at you and with that i felt a presence behind me and in my mind there was this persistent shouting but again in my head this voice was saying she's not missing she's with her mom she's not missing she's with her mom tell someone tell them she's not missing she's with her mom again there's no actual noise out loud but it was ringing in my mind so clearly and i felt so scared that i was paralyzed and couldn't move eventually i finished the picture and i was like oh my god i'm so scared and that yelling voice in my head died down but the phrase was so insistent and i knew it wouldn't go away until i told someone so i rushed out of my room and down the hallway to my mom i showed her the picture and then i told her hey mom i don't think that this girl is missing i think she's with her mom my mom tried to reassure me that she was probably fine but i looked out the dark window and suddenly became very aware of how our city was surrounded by deep woods i tried to tell myself that if the girl was missing she was probably fine but i looked out the dark window really is with her mom that surely she'd be fine but then i kept thinking about the woods and my heart had this cold sinking feeling just so sad for an eight-year-old to be devastating yeah this is like heavy for a kid yeah years had passed we moved out of the house and then less than a year later that house mysteriously caught fire according to my research it was renovated only to mysteriously burn down a second time a new house was placed on that land but whenever i'm visiting my hometown i can find it again because it still has that concrete porch it had been about 10 years later and i was watching forensic files reruns and there was an episode about my hometown and an eight-year-old girl that went missing while waiting for the school bus her father called the police and described what she was wearing almost too accurately one of the officers warned the dad that the officer knew it was him and that he'd find out eventually which this scared the dad enough to drive into the woods stay there for a few hours then drive even deeper into the woods before going home the cop secretly placed a tracker on the dad's car and the police went to the two points of interest and found the body of his daughter it had been dug up from the first spot and then buried deeper at the second turns out the little girl was never missing to begin with and had been with the dad and just to clarify this is a different case than the flyer that op had seen with his mom but it sounds so similar the episode had the girl's uncle there to give his point of view so her mother's brother he expressed how he knew the girl's dad was no good and how scared his sister was of him before she too had gone missing some years before but was never found an interesting thing that was stated in the episode though is that the girl's dad was a construction worker for residential homes again in op's hometown and his specific job was in concrete weird despite my experiences i do still hold a very fair level of skepticism so here are a few important notes my mom confirmed that this house that i lived in was very run down and contained black mold which can cause psychosis and hallucinations among other health dangers so even though i do find it odd that i was the only one of four apparently affected by these paranormal experiences i very well could have been hallucinating during our time there i also am known for having a very overactive imagination i also remember in the winter the windows would freeze inside because of how poorly insulated the home was and there was faulty wiring that could have certainly explained the reason for the house falling down burning down at least the first time the mold could also maybe explain the birds does it i don't know if they're like ingesting it i don't know still all of these instances have very valid explanations but as a young bright-eyed eight-year-old i could never imagine a parent to ever harm their own child this message i heard happened on the day she went missing and the message was so clear in my head and i have never before or since had such an urge like i did that it really felt like furious insistent distraught screaming except with no actual sound so what do you think credit could there have been a ghost of a mother begging me to tell my own mother where to find her daughter or i don't know is it completely separate and are there skeletal remains under the concrete of that house that i lived in or was everything just a mix of coincidences and psychosis caused by a house that was most certainly not up to code maybe all all right above it's a hard one it's really hard to know yeah it's a very very sad story it's so sad and there are plenty of stories of psychics and mediums working with police to like try to solve cases and not to say that every time it's successful or that every person who does that is legit but this does seem like just a child an innocent child who's like tapping into something yeah and so someone in the comments wrote no one knows why certain things happen to certain people personally i think some people are just more intuitive or sensitive than others this can change throughout your life sometimes stronger sometimes weaker but throughout my life i've realized that proximity bears a strong role in such things as well as association op wrote so do you think that i might have actually experienced something i think my biggest struggle has been wondering if this might be a solid example of paranormal activity or if i'm overlooking some obvious explanation of sort and the reply from the commenter was yes children are always more susceptible to the paranormal in my honest opinion yeah i buy that yeah fascinating right so i don't know i don't know what's your take ghost expert it very much could have been a message it could have been some spirit coming in to communicate or i'd be curious i would have a lot of questions to ask like what did the voice sound like did it sound was it female was it male did it sound like a child feeling i'm not missing maybe all spirits do it but we don't know because they're not perceived the messages aren't perceived like maybe every victim of violent crime like sends out yeah maybe their energy radiates and it's like you just don't hear unless you're capable of perceiving it like which must be so frustrating if you're a spirit i know they might not even know it might be just like something echoes through the universe when such wrongdoing and pain energy exists there is this one infamous case it's a true crime case it is formerly known as the greenbrier ghost and her name is zona he's her shoe and she was murdered back in back in the day early days of america and it's the one time in history that a ghost's testimony was used in trial to convict her killer but had she not she like visited her mom night after night after her and because of it her mom like begged people in town to look at her body again and they they exhumed her body and re-examined it and proved that she was actually murdered by her husband who otherwise would have gotten away with it that's crazy yeah i'm gonna look into that it's a cool case i love that our next story yeah is from our subreddit r slash crimes of pod you guys are giving us the good and the one we're talking about today is one of those so it was posted very recently okay op's username is flower underscore princess underscore 101 i love i also think this is when we specifically asked for stories yeah about halloween and paranormal that's right okay shall i commence please my cousin miranda and i lived with our grandmom after college because honestly the alternative was moving back in with our parents we both have a pretty serious case of eldest daughter syndrome me too so going home meant slipping right back into that role along with all the responsibility anxiety and childhood baggage that comes with it grandmom's house felt like freedom oh about a year before this happened grandmom had lost her longtime partner ray he died in a fireworks accident on the fourth of july right in the front yard devastating i can't even imagine it was awful for our family jeez but also for the whole neighborhood because he was one of those people everyone knew and loved so sad hooray so sometime around may of 2015 one of my cousin's aunts had a blue moon party do you know what those are so like a once in a blue moon party yeah but it aligns with the blue moon yeah do you do that um i probably do witchy things those on those days on long island it was a thing my family used to have them too i don't know why i jersey no they didn't do those no we had mischief night that's fun so sometime around may of 2015 one of my cousin's aunts had a blue moon party it happened to be during an actual blue moon so we spent the night drinking blue moon i love that wow during meta yeah under the night sky and having a great time i want to go to one of these parties that sounds great i'll host one yes next time eventually it got late and we decided to head home her aunt lived at the top of a pretty steep hill so we'd use the emergency brake when we parked the car when we went to leave the damn thing got stuck we tried everything and eventually the car alarm started going off at 1 a.m in a quiet residential neighborhood her uncle came out and helped us get it unstuck which delayed us even more at the time it was just annoying looking back that part really bothers me by the time we got back to the car we were like oh my god back to grandmoms it was ridiculously late and full disclosure we were stoner kids grandmom had five dogs who'd go absolutely insane if you even looked at the doorknob wrong so we decided to smoke one last time in the car before going inside we turned the car off took the keys out rolled up the windows and smoked when we finished we just sat there talking we were best friends we'd had a long night and we were still a little wired from the party and we were just sitting there in the whole car alarm situation then the radio turned on by itself the car was completely off the keys weren't even in the ignition and neither of us had touched anything we both jumped and started looking around trying to figure out what the hell was happening then i looked in the rear view mirror there were two people walking toward our car both were wearing ski masks and both were carrying crowbars oh my god they were coming straight toward us i remember being strangely calm i looked at miranda and said start the car right now there are two people with masks behind us she started the car and the headlights came on the two men froze they clearly had no idea we were sitting inside they were only a few feet away and i genuinely believe they were seconds from smashing the windows instead they turned around and ran down the street we sat there in complete shock before calling the non-emergency police line and making a report. Good on you. I would have called the emergency line. Yeah, for sure. Here's the part I still can't explain. If that radio hadn't turned itself on, I don't think I would have looked in the rearview mirror. We would have just kept sitting there talking, completely unaware that anyone was behind us until they were already at the windows. I know there's probably a perfectly normal explanation for a car radio turning itself on. Is there? When the car's off? That's what I'm saying. Is there? I don't think so. I'm sure someone could explain the electrical mechanics of it, but Miranda and I both believe with 100% certainty that Ray was looking out for us that night. Because remember, he passed away in the front yard. The emergency brake delayed us, and then the radio made me look up. Somehow those two completely bizarre things put us in exactly the right place at exactly the right time. I don't know what happened that night. I just know that if the radio hadn't turned on, the story could have ended very differently. Well, yeah, because at first I was like, well, why were they delayed? Why would you want them to be in that position? But then maybe it prevented so much other worse stuff from happening or someone else from actually being harmed or hurt. Yeah. I mean, there's this burnt toast theory that people talk about where sometimes things like that happen to save you. And it's someone, maybe a spirit, saving you from something they know is going to happen. I always think about Seth MacFarlane. Yes. And I hate actually talking about this story because why was he? I know. And there are a lot of people, though, same situation on that day who had bad feelings. If you don't know 9-11, Seth MacFarlane was supposed to be on one of those flights that hit one of the towers, and he missed it by 10 minutes. Yeah. It's an interesting thing. It's an interesting way to like, if you look at something optimistically, something bad happens, like something unfortunate, like a missed flight, or you forgot your passport. Try to think of it like that. You never know. I've had this conversation quite a lot because, I mean, not to get too in the weeds here or too woo-woo, but it does bring up the question of like destiny and fate and is our future predetermined? And I like to think, no, like I like to think that we have free will and choice, but then there are certain things that happen that make you wonder or question what is predetermined. And then it brings up the secondary conversation of why are some people given these messages or these delays that do end up saving them and other people don't have those. Yeah. I'm not sure I believe in like fated scenarios. I think it's nice to think that there is, but like using again 9-11, horrible tragedy as an example, my mom was there the day before at the time that it happened at a meeting like super high up for this charity that she worked with. So sad. And it's like, it could have been the day before, but I don't believe she was saved. I don't believe that happened for her. You know, like that would be such a arrogant, and my mom's watching, love you, mom. It would be so arrogant to think that like Seth MacFarlane would have been, someone would have stepped in, an entity would have stepped in to save him. Like, everyone's just as deserving. But even like this situation, or we've had stories on Two Girls, One Ghost, where someone's about to walk out the door and their kid who like, doesn't usually throw tantrums throws like the most insane tantrum or yeah the radio goes off or their car doesn't start and thank goodness all those things happened because had they been on that road this horrible car accident like pile up happened yeah at the time that they should have been there had they not been delayed yeah i don't know there's a lot of questions but i do feel like there is a lot of i do believe in spirit intervention but i have the question of like why why can some spirits intervene and others can't maybe they all try but it's only what works like i don't think everything say they are trying to intervene to save you not everything's gonna work that's true you know it's like it's only as receptive as you want to be to it like say your toast gets burnt you're not gonna some people wouldn't make another piece of toast some people are just going anyway they're they're like i won't eat then like right think about all the things like the opportunities you have to be late that like then you speed right like yeah yeah because then there's the other conversations where it's like are you ignoring all the signs yeah and i for sure have done that like i've asked my grandma for signs and then i'm like i don't know what the signs are and other people are like you idiot that's what else did you need yeah yeah i don't know i'm pretty add i'm probably missing all the signs like i don't think i've ever seen a sign no no yeah but i i really do believe in that story that ray saved not only them but also beautiful story other people well and then you hear about like how traumatized the neighborhood was because he was like that guy who helped everyone with like of course ray saved them yeah like that sounds like that kind of guy he is yeah oh i hope your grandma's okay i know what a sad sad way to lose yeah well that was fun oh my god i love that a little like mixed up of true crime with the paranormal yeah sometimes the ghosts were the culprits sometimes the ghosts were saving people and we had a lot of questions which um i don't know maybe we'll never get answered until i really when i die want the answers to everything sure but i'll keep them to myself why like if the if that's the option it's like you can learn all the secrets but you you're dead like who else am i who am i tell dead friends well as long as they know too would they i'll find the right people i'll find the ones find the people i'll be on the i like to say i'll be on start the club i'll be a part of the grim reaper team yes yeah grimming and reaping i have a question i feel like a question that's asked all the time is man or bear what about human or ghost what do you want ghost what do you prefer yeah ghost me too well or i like i like a lot of humans though i okay but it's a crap shoot so i'm not going to be a ghost i'm going to be a human so i think ghost is always safer than random i'll say insidious human insidious human or ghost ghost ghost ghost yeah even insidious human versus insidious ghost i think i would still pick insidious ghost yeah because you're not going to deal with them all the time right just when they feel like flaring up i would probably annoy them yeah they leave yeah they'd be like oh my god you're so annoying you again can't deal with you yeah yeah uh so let us know what you would pick in the comments and then also if you have stories that relate to this theme or are just any personal true crime experience that you've had bad roommates horrible like secrets that you've learned about people that are crime related please share these stories with us on our subreddit which is crimes of pod hell yeah and come back next week and the week after that forever and the week after that for eternity thank you for joining us for crimes of reddit a crime house original here at crime house we want to 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