Recapping the ‘Survivor 50’ Premiere! | The Pod Has Spoken

ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОНОК ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОНОК Что, друзья? Мы are back the premiere of season 50, highly anticipated. For over a year, these people have pre-gamed, making deals in back rooms on their phones, in DMs and social media, probably turning their Instagram chats to delete after they read each other's things. And now, we get to see none of it play out as the storytelling keeps all the pre-gaming away from us and makes us think everything is forged on the island. And we're here to talk about all of it with our regular team of Ashley Smith, hi, Ashley, our producer extraordinaire, and Riley McAtey are our forever co-host, never leaving, never wavering, will always be here dependent through the entirety of season 50 and a very special guest, very special. If you're not watching and you're just listening, you don't know who it is yet, but if you're watching, you might already know, we have Survivor Africa winner, all star competitor, winners at war competitor, close personal friend of mine and the podcast, Ethan, Zon in the house, Ethan. Great shirt. Did we get a member or what? I mean, this is a survivor lover party. Look at everyone. We are looking so good right now. So if the podcast doesn't go well, at least we look good doing it. Survivor lover. Yes. Survivor lover. Let's get into season 50. We had a flashback of many seasons Ethan, you had a short cameo. I did not. How do you feel about that, Tyson? Well, it wasn't the hands of the fans. So clearly the fans voted to see me in the rewind, right? It's the montage we're in the hands of the fans. Tyson, you would have had a moment in there. I think so. It's not a competition, guys. It's not a competition. Which moment would you have picked to be in there? I mean, probably ruffle, ruffle feathers or crying when I won the million. They liked all the cryers of the million. I cried when I won a million dollars. Coach and a giving coach is his pep talk. What about meeting me on the edge for the first time? Ethan on the edge for the first time saying, I'm sorry. How many? Why do you have so much firewood? Peanut butter? There's a lot of moments. They could have actually a bunch of montage about me if we're being real. But that doesn't matter. They couldn't pick one because I'm on House of villains tomorrow. And I'm hosting the official peacock after show of House of villains each week. So very excited. Congratulations. I have my time in the artificial lights. The marooning. Let's just skip to like they did the opening. They come to the island. Everybody's happy and trying about how happy the grad, how filled with gratitude they are to be there. And then we go to the marooning. The marooning challenge is just for fire. Listen, we watch the tribe do fire without the fire stuff. I don't give a fuck. If I can convince my tribe to just chill and not compete in the challenge, if I was like, I will make fire for you at camp. Let's just not break our backs right now. How livid would Jeff have been? Pretty livid. I mean, there's a whole bonfire someplace waiting for the tribes to return. So, you know, it doesn't really matter. And then they used their glasses to make fire. That's epic. That's like old school survivor coming into the new era. Wow. Well, and I had even heard that Yao Man who did that initially got a separate prescription designed to start a fire with. I think Christian used a scientific know-how to use two separate lenses to channel the sunlight through. So, I mean, I really did enjoy. I mean, just I love the intro. I think it's a good rewind for the new viewers who may not have seen some of the older seasons at the historical perspective. I think was necessary in this moment. And the rewinds. Awesome. How it started the show and then just go, yeah, the way to the very first day. Yeah, totally cool. But what Jeff said, which was really interesting is like, you need to play your game. And in the hindsight, I think in the hands of the fans is a good thing. You know, when it came out last year or whatever, I'm like, oh, this is kind of lame. It's kind of whatever. But I actually liked it from the player perspective, putting myself in their shoes. I think it could be fun to be, I mean, the game's unpredictable in its own right. But now you really can't try to predict the unpredictable. You just got to play. You got to play your game. Jeff said, I mean, play the game that works for you 24 different ways to play the game. And I hope that's what we see in this season. Yeah. I mean, so far we are, we got in the hands of the fans. We got rice. They get none. They have to earn it. Tribes supplies. They also have to earn. And advantages dynamic dynamic, which nobody knows what that means. But I think we're getting dynamic. And we were trying to get no matter what the vote was. They didn't mention that the tribe colors were also chose by the fans. So there is some stuff. It seems impactful to the player. More impactful than I thought it would be to be honest, like everybody seemed to react about the rice and the tribe stuff. And we immediately get this journey right after the marooning. One of the tribes wins fire and a bomb fire. I don't even remember which one because I was taking notes so fast. Was it Vatu? Okay. Yeah. Vatu wins fire. And then the journey, coach has to go. Like Tiffany just had a nowhere nominate coach to go crazy while they didn't really highlight that. But that is definitely you don't do that. Yeah. Tiffany's like, coach, you should go. Coach is like, what? Okay. And then Ozzy. And then Q. And we get this amazing Ozzy versus coach right out of the gate. We know they have some bad blood and some beef. It looks like they squashed in. I'm feeling really good about their relationship now. And that their relationship lasted about 36 minutes. Did they say it took to do the challenge or something? Yeah. How did I liked this journey challenge? Like the opportunity to steal the key. There's one key. Everybody's vying for it. Coach was like, I'm going to make mine short and strong. So when Ozzy gets it there, all real it in. I liked it. I thought there's a lot to do. I liked it too. A couple of different strategies on the way to play. Yes. I mean, you could you could literally have not have tried and just waited till the ring fell and try to steal it, which I think no one really took that route because it would be so obvious. You're really trying to, you know, use that strategy. But, you know, it comes back later in the show as we know. But I think the way played out was perfect. To be honest, it was absolutely how I wanted it to play out. I loved it because Ozzy clearly, the better physical beast, coach, maintaining that he's only playing honorable, his entire, everything he's ever done has been honorable because he didn't agree to the agreement of whoever knocks the key down first gets it. You just didn't even really seem to try. He was just like, whatever you guys do, your thing. Which the actual honorable thing to do is to like say, no, I'm not going to like, yes, not just keep your mouth shut, which implicitly I think is almost like agreement. I think my fingers crossed behind my back. Yes, that's what I think. Coach added just, I think he added an extra layer of complexity to his game because he's like, I want to play with honor and with integrity. But he did the exact opposite and he did not play with honor and integrity. He kind of but he believes he believes he's convinced himself that he is still honorable in that moment because he did not speak up. I think they do say that. They do say somewhere that silence is honor, boldness. That's. But it's not like he didn't have integrity and honor because of that moment, which he really didn't. So like, why, why tell everyone you're going to play honor and integrity and then not do it the first opportunity you have? I think that's what coaches play has been. The last time he played was very similar to that. And he still plays exactly the same. Because I want to see people like everyone's mad at me for not being honorable when I'm being honorable. Right. There's people calling me out for being dishonest is why I'm not honorable. If not, I'd be honorable. Exactly. I'd totally be honorable if Ozzy deserved an honorableness from me. And hilarious, very hilarious, and Coach is so pleased with himself as he's walking away. And a note shows up for the other two, and Coach, for some reason, is like, that's so awesome. That is so awesome, you guys, I mean, it's so excited for you guys to buy. And he tries to downplay how pleased he is with getting the supplies by telling those guys that whatever they're getting is awesome, which was also a weird, not as bad as hugging people as you vote them out, but a little bit weird. Like I think you have to play with more humility in that moment, just be like, "Sorry, Ozzy, it's a game, I played a game, I'm really sorry, and I will hang my head until I get out of eyesight." And then I will start talking about myself in the third person. Exactly. I'm talking about myself in the third person. And the boat, like Jesus in the middle of the boat, like, "I have arrived!" Coach, 4.0 has arrived. Yes. Yes, coach. And that moment. So hilarious. Let's go through the tribes here early. Their first impressions of each other is they hit the beach. We go to Vatu, where Steph and Colby have an unspoken bond because they were on the heroes' tribe for about three days together, and they both want to play with honor and integrity. And Colby, super annoyed with Rizzo. I think we predicted this. Did we not predict this that Colby would be annoyed with Rizzo? And he was so annoyed that Rizzo was just skirting work by talking nonstop, which that's an old play. That's a Gen X play right there. Oh yeah. I loved how Rizzo was telling Colby how to play the new game, right? Like, how crazy is that? I think it's fine. But like, he's like, "Listen, dude, being the hunter and the gatherer or the provider, it doesn't matter. We don't care. We'll still vote you off." Like, Devon's, I think, said something similar to like, "It doesn't matter. So it's fun to see the old school and the new era we're converging and strategy and style and age and everything. It's awesome. I love it." But being the provider hasn't really benefited anyone's gameplay for a very long time. Maybe Jonathan benefited from it a little bit because he saved everyone's life early on in the season, with the challenges in the challenges. But I do believe that like, even blood versus water in 2013, Rupert was like, "I'm going to build everything," and we were like, "We don't care. We're going to vote you out as soon as the shelter is done or as soon as you stop working on the shelter." Like, once we have the thing we need from you, you are gone. And so I think that that, I think Colby's already well aware. I don't think Rizzo needed to spell that out for him. I think I would have been offended if I were Colby in that moment. And we get this group on Vatu coming together of Colby Kyle, Stephanie, and Genevieve, which seems pretty legit, and it seems like they all are on board with working with each other. And then we get this weird interaction with Genevieve and Aubrey, where Aubrey is very aggressive about what kind of game this Genevieve even want to play. Like, I don't even know how to answer that question. If somebody was like, "What kind of game do you want to play?" I'd be like, "I don't fucking know. I'm just trying to make it day by day, dude." There's a little mafia Boston Robbie right there, right? Like, "Hey, yeah. Well, what kind of game are you playing?" And if it's my game, then I'll play with you. She's totally flexing right there. Yeah. It's very, very tense, well, way too tense for day one, I thought. And I think Aubrey was too aggressive. She was the aggressor in that moment. I think Genevieve was trying to tiptoe, Aubrey was not tipping on any toes. He just got straight to the point. Like, I literally, if somebody came at me with that, I would be like, "Uh, what would you say?" I did. I don't even know. What kind of game would you play? I just want to find the people I trust and just roll with them as hard as I can, right or die. Like, probably some sales pitchy thing about loyalty. Yeah. But it depends on who raised. The thing to say to somebody who already you're not fully jelly with, because doesn't it sound like, "Oh, I'm just going to stick with some people and if we don't fully click your toes?" You're right. You do need to know your audience. So maybe if that's the case with Aubrey and you're feeling like you're not jelly, maybe you need to say, I'm going to work with the people that benefit my game and I theirs. And I have a vote and you have a vote. And if we can figure out together, then let's do it. I mean, you have to imagine, I'm imagining that all these players out there, I hope we're research in the other players. They may or may not have heard her out there. Maybe they're even talking pregame. We don't know. Is there pregame beef here with Aubrey and Genevieve that we don't see? I don't think so, but my point is like, people talked about the psychology and everyone's like reading into each other and right now it seems like everyone's playing kind of the same game. Like, "Oh, I'm going to be nice. What are your favorite games?" Nice, what are your favorite games? No, I don't. In this moment, Prope's wants to play that game, but like I feel everyone's like, "Oh, I'm going to be nice and friendly and work on relationships, but I'm going to be evil and this is blunt bath." And like every single person say the same thing. "Cobie 4.0, I'm Q2.0, I'm Genevieve 3.0," whatever it is, they're all like ass of her. What is the evolution? So like everyone's playing the same game right now. That's the way I look at it. Yeah. But you have to call it. Yeah. I mean, it's slow. You have to start slow. Right. Call it. And D reveals to us that she wipes her ass with leaves. Why is she not pooping in the ocean? If in your ass with leaves, I mean, who used leaves? Even when I couldn't go in the ocean, I didn't use leaves. That's like for the new era. Yeah. This is what you use Tyson, right? You hand it, and then-- You hand it. Yeah. And then you just-- You're not getting all the way clean with smooth leaves. Gross. You need a little friction there, a little texture. Yeah. This is a sad thing. Let's move on. Let's move on. Okay. The entire tribe is pumped to have Jonathan as we get a montage of him being strong. Mike White, two things. He's fucking shredded. Shredded. Shredded. Yeah, a lot of strength on this tribe, dude. Yeah. Well, but is it popcorn mussels? Like, is that real? Like, is Mike gonna put those mussels? He was. He was. He had to do those batches of coconuts, right? He did. He's got some like yoga balancing stretching at one point, and a vacation from Mike White. Well, I think we get the most first world problem. We've ever seen where he cries about how hard it is to work on White Lotus and to create White Lotus and to make tens of millions of dollars, creating a show for HBO, and we can all relate, you know, it's very, very sad a show that is filmed entirely at like the world's greatest force. The greatest force. I know they are there for a really long time. It's a long, very soon, which he referenced. Yes. It's just very sad to have to stay at a luxury resort for that long. And for tens of millions of dollars, really, if the audience can't relate to that, then what is survival even doing, you know, well, it just got pulled at my heartstrings. I was tearing up. I felt very, very sad, and I was like, yeah, we've all been there, bro. That's so heartbreaking. I feel like it's a good move or a mistake to be like, hey, I love your show, but I didn't even watch the last season. I only watched two. I couldn't show out the $15 for HBO Max. I think it's a little bit offensive, but I don't think it's that bad. It's like whatever he's got his money, I mean, maybe you think that's what kind of made him cry a little bit is Chrissy telling me, I don't think it made him cry a little, but I would just be kind of like, oh, so you're not actually that big of a fan of the show. I mean, that season that was released a year ago, you never found time for it. I mean, we as a survivor contestant, there's so many times, not as often now, but there was a time when you people be like, you're on survivor, that show is still on, and it was like a very popular thing to tell people that you were surprised survivor was still on. And so I think it's just in that same vein, like not everybody has a million hours to watch TV. I don't get offended if people don't watch stuff I'm on. So I think he's fine. What do you think is harder, right, Lotus or survivor? I mean, according to Mike, it's white Lotus, I never cried day one, and I've been on survivor four times. So it has to be white Lotus. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people are talking about their journey and how they want to learn from this show, just like they learned from the last show. Yeah. Are you going, do you think they're going into this hoping they're going to like learn something about themselves? Or do you think they're going in this to win the show or could be both? I think I know enough about myself. That's how I feel. Everyone is like, what did you learn from survivors like that? I'm a fucking badass that I already knew I was. Just put a stamp on the thing I knew. I don't, I don't get it. Yeah. But I think with your younger, yeah, you can, there's self discovery there. Like Rizzo, probably people who haven't ever done anything challenging that like come off the couch like that. I think someone came off the couch this season, which is incredible, just incredible story. Yeah. And I love Surrey, but they come off the couch thing we got retired. I mean, she's come on the couch, cough the couch so many times. It stinks. It's like the other reality shows too. It's like, all right, this is her like her 12th time coming off the couch. >> Yeah. >> And then Proop's his manager coach of the couch. This is fun. >> Come on, Saray. You're ruining my narrative. >> No, he loves it. He loves it. Back at Calo, coach comes back from his journey, celebrating, telling everyone he wanted fair and square, filled with honor and integrity, no need to fact check the way the journey went down. And Chrissy is targeting D, just openly, like why not just start naming names day one? So Chrissy's doing that. Let's go over to the sila. >> Wait, yes. >> Wait, you're skipping something, maybe. >> So any of you have a toe ring? >> The toe ring. >> I did, I have seen coaches toe ring. He did have toe rings. And I always thought it was odd, but it suits and fits who coaches as a person. >> Yeah, it certainly fits coach. >> If you were to say to anybody who's familiar with Survivor at all, do you think coach has a toe ring? Nine out of 10 people are going to say yes. >> And now we've confirmed it. >> So, and now we've confirmed it. >> Yes, they're gross, though. Man, your feet get like sweaty and stuff. Like, I don't know, the idea of a toe ring is odd. >> Yeah, it's just a little piece of metal. It might help them on the challenge where you got your stick your feet in the poles, right? >> 1988, he never takes it off, it's disgusting. >> Yeah, but it washes in the shower, it gets rinsed with soap all the time, probably. >> Would you be like, Charlie, if he was like, hey, I want to put the, you know, you can try on the toe ring, would you try it on? >> I'd definitely be grossed out and I'd probably gauge everyone else's temperature before I decided like, oh, I need to put this on because the group is wanting this. >> That's what's watching. >> Yeah, everyone's watching and they want this. Or if they're all grossed out, they'll be like, no, thank you. >> Yeah, you got to say yes. I got to say yes in that moment. >> Yeah, what if your toes are too sausage-y, though, and they won't fit? Is that embarrassing? >> Yeah, I got like stubby toes. >> Yeah, I just had a bigger feet than him. That was really good way. >> Yeah, you know what they say about guys with big feet. >> I do. >> Big chicken slayers. >> Yes, great tracking slayers. Okay, I think we got everything there. Let's go to Sila, Sila, Sila, Sila, Sila, whatever. I'll figure it out by the end of this thing. Sila, where Gena decides she just wants to start targeting Sarri out of the blue, just like hot, hot, hot, hot, coming in, so hot. Meanwhile, maybe one of my favorite quotes of, and I'm paraphrasing, but the idea of the quote, where Joe, who's not especially known for quotes, goes, says something to the effect that the tribe is smart and strong, and then they also have Rick Devins. I loved it. He goes through everybody who's smart, goes through everybody who's strong, and then says, and then we have Rick also. I don't think he meant it as a slight, but I thought it was great. >> I think with Gena, it was interesting. She obviously instantly targeted Sarri, who is an old school player. You would have assumed they would try to work together, but she talked about her story at first. Sarri's got such a good story. We need to vote her off. We need to target her. Gena did something very similar in the All Stars, where she went after the people who had the good stories, which were mostly the winners. She instantly wanted to target the winners because they had won before. Let's vote them off. Again, but so she has still playing the same game. I just think in her head, she's probably like, I know I had to play fast. This has been new error. Play fast, play fast. She just went out too hard, too strong, and she's just going after Sarri, who's beloved. I just don't know if it was the right move at that time. >> I'm very shocked that Chrissy was naming D. >> Yeah, agree. >> But that seemed like more well received. Lots of people agreed to that. Gena immediately starts naming names, too, with Sarri and people are not on board. You can't go after the person with the most clout because they have the most clout, and that's what Sarri's story is. >> Yeah. >> So we get that. Savannah tells everyone she won season 49. Good play, bad play, Ashley, you don't like it. >> I thought the way she did it was really funny. She's like, do you guys want to know how I didn't answer by her? Do you guys want to know? Does anyone want to ask me? I like that. >> She wanted to tell people so bad. I think she has to tell people. >> She has to tell them that she needs to do it differently. >> Yeah. >> But maybe just roll and tell like it really someone confronts you on it. >> True. >> Yeah, you could do it. >> I don't know. Yeah, it did seem performative in the moment, but as of whatever. I think she has to tell people, though, if people confront her, she has to tell people because Rizzo is in the game too. So she can't avoid that. >> You have to imagine they talked and they agreed like, hey, I'm going to tell people what happened, what didn't happen. I hope it doesn't matter. >> It doesn't matter. >> Like you have to trust that person 100%, otherwise that doesn't work. Like if Rizzo's feeling like that information is going to benefit him, even after they agreed they would lie, then he's going to tell somebody, I think Savannah has to be honest about 49. And Rizzo is going to have to be honest about 49, too, if people ask him questions for the same reason. Like people can cross examine and tell one of them's out of the game. Neither one of them can afford it. And even if one of them's out of the game, you don't know what that person told other people still in the game before they left. >> True. >> So I think you just have to be straight with people there. Rick and Christian immediately love each other. Immediately, just like lock eyes in love and decide to make it a three sum with Emily. >> Are they friends outside of the game? It seemed like they might be. >> It seemed that they must have crossed paths, but I don't. I am not aware. So they are kind of, they are from like somewhat the same area of the country. >> I think Georgia and Florida, yeah. >> Yeah. >> I would love to get your opinion on like obviously returning seasons, we haven't seen one in a while, and it's really different playing against like friends and playing against people you know and who have a history together. And I feel like people that came into this game maybe wanting with a fresh start, but no, they still have, you know, vendettas that they want to, you know, heal from previous seasons. So like as much as they say, but playing against friends is hard. I remember walking down in the lobby for season 40. Everyone thought I died a cancer. So then I show up and like Rob's eyes were like, oh my God, I can't believe you here. You know, I had beef with kind of maybe not before the show, but I remember that moment of seeing people for the first time and I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to have to play against friends. And I like these people, but you know, here's a game for a million dollars, like what was it like? What is it like for you Tyson going back playing for friends with friends? >> It is difficult and it's different because you have a certain level of trust with these friends. Then you also realize it's a game, but then you're like not expecting your friends to turn on you first, but then sometimes they do. And it's just like, and I don't want to get got by a friend. I'd rather get them first because I'm like, if the intent of their heart is to get me, I have to get them first because I don't want to feel the sting of someone I thought that I loved and trusted get me first. That would be, so in a way, you're I am hypersensitive and aware of my friends' actions because I especially don't want to get got by them. It's interesting. So I'm watching even quicker and harder the people that I knew before going into the game because I think it would sting especially that. >> And that's why you have no friends now. >> Exactly. I just feel the only way to live. I feel the only way to live. And survivors blessed me with more than just no friends. But yeah, that's how I would feel and that's how I still would feel if I went out again. I trust this person in my life and I don't want them to get me in this game. And if I get them before they get me, I would feel much better about that even though they would probably feel way worse. And that's okay with me if their plan was to get me. I would feel bad if we went out together Ethan. And I was getting a read that you would potentially betray me if you had to. And then I got you. And then I found out that you never had any intent to betray me. That would make me feel bad as well. So there it is. >> Yeah, but then if you get me first, then I'm going to be right now and I'm going to betray myself. >> Well, at the end of the game together Tyson, that's how it is. That's the balance I think with relationships. And that's what is. And everyone's different. I'm sure you would you approach it differently. Ethan, is that you're saying by probably not, you know, I'm more of a collaborative, you know, loyal guy. But if it got down to the point where there was no choice, obviously, I would ensure that you everyone understood. But I wouldn't think like I got to get Tyson before he gets me because I don't want to feel a certain way. I wouldn't feel that I wouldn't do that. Yeah, I don't want to work with you as long as possible because I can trust you. But if a friend did end up getting you earlier than you think they needed to, how would that make you feel towards them? >> It would make me feel worse. It would make me feel more hurt. Like he's in 40s. So if Parvati had got me just to get me, that would have felt bad. But like, you know, Jerry. me and whoever Michelle got me and I didn't really know who they were. So yeah, it stung that it was out of the game, but it would have been more if it was from a real friend. Right. And would you have maintained your friendship outside of the game after? Uh, yeah, I think so. Okay. Yeah, it's very tricky to navigate that. Let's go to exile. So the two that get the really cool note that coaches pumped on. That's so awesome, guys. You guys got the awesomeness thing probably. I'm out of here. See you with the supplies. You've got, I bet you guys got the awesomer thing. See, uh, they stay at exile and then they get this note on their exit. Uh, that one of them has to take supplies and lose a vote and the other one gets an extra vote is that, is that what it was? Okay. They get like, basically get the other persons. Yes. Oh, yeah. So they only lose their vote for one tribal council, right? Yeah. So then do the, oh, there's the extra vote only last one tribal council too. No, I think you can hang on to that for longer because Ozzy was saying he doesn't want to use it at the very first tribal council that he goes to and didn't use it at this, this tribal that he did go to. So he's still got it. Okay. Um, so did Ozzy get the better deal here? Did Q get the better deal? Did either of them like, I think they both got a good deal to be honest. I think it was a fairly, I mean, Ozzy, I mean, talk about a first episode. And I mean, Ozzy basically played a full game of survivor in one episode. You know, like, he won stuff. He negotiated. He lost something. He goes back with nothing. He used to be being the hero. And now he's, you know, but he's got an extra vote, which is power and he's playing a new game. So like, and then later in the episode, his name is on the chalky line of the face back. He's did everything in one episode. Yeah. Super charge. Yes. So Ozzy, great episode for Ozzy. And I do believe I think Ozzy walked away with the better deal. I think going to the group and saying you lost the supplies is sad. It's kind of good for Ozzy too because he can play it off as like, Oh, I lost like basically two challenges. So you don't have to worry so much about me going on some big immunity run, which has been his doom so many times. Right. I agree. And he's even said, I'm, you know, he's like, I'm not a strategic player. I'm a challenge guy. So for me to like, take the vote and the strategy move versus like the provider hero moment move. That was probably a big decision for him because he's like, I can't play like I've always played. Yeah. Is this downfall? That's why he hasn't won. So I can be a guitaral, Ozzy, or whatever decision he thinks he should make. He's just the opposite decision. So would you just come out the block saying, I'm playing George Castell. Every single thing I want to do already is the exact opposite. Whatever I feel is logical in my own mind. I'm doing the opposite because that whatever I thought works was not working. I did like how Ozzy took a step back and took time to think and then decide that he needed the extra vote versus the supplies. And I do believe that's the better option, the two votes, the losing your vote is dangerous. And I will say, I do think losing your vote, it's not a total disaster because you're on a tribe of eight. And so you need it to be a five three split anyways. And now it's just going to become a four three split. Yeah. So I mean, you don't want to lose your vote. But it's not, it's, it'd be worse if it were an uneven number on the tribe. You know, if you're in a tribe seven, which actually Q now is after Kyle's met a fact, because now you could be on a four three side and it becomes three three and right. Right. Right. Kind of exactly. Yes, which is very worrisome for, for our guy, Kiel. So let's, let's go where after exile, they came back. I also think that Q does have information that Ozzy has an extra vote. Like, what do you do if you're Q here? Do you tell the tribe? Do you wait till you come back with Ozzy? What's the play? I mean, I think you, for Q's playing a great game. I know it's one episode. But like I think he's toned it down a little bit from previous seasons. And he's, you know, I feel like he's definitely more selfless if that's a weird way to say. So I don't think he will mention Ozzy because I think he sees Ozzy as an ally. He spent that night together. And so what do you think it did there? I don't think he told anyone that he had an extra vote, but to gain each other's trust on the night, like they didn't show a lot of night footage. No, no, no, no, it's a family show. It is. I think Ozzy doesn't do that. Creepy crawlers. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I, I think Q holds the information tight if he can. He should. And I think the more secret you can, can hold, always is the better. Although you do see people revealed some information early on, but I think that was strategic. Like Ozzy told Sury about his extra vote, right? So that was a smart move. And someone else told someone else something. I can't remember. Cool. Yeah. We, well, we'll get into some idols as they come up. But Ozzy comes back. No supplies tells Sury. Rick also tells Sury something. And that is that Jenna is targeting our. So now we have Sury targeting Jenna. And we also have this lock in moment with Ozzy and Sury, where I do believe they're both going to honor this. They're going to ride or die with each other. I believe that. I think that's powerful. And we get at Vatu. We get cold be warming up to Rizzo, taking him under his wing, teaching him some life lessons or trying to exactly how we predicted last week, Riley. Rizzo is going to learn how to give a firm handshake, dude. Well, when we did say Colby could be the dad of the season, and he instantly goes into dad vote. He's like, that's a good man. I got to teach him something. Yeah. I, I do like Colby, if seeming a little more vulnerable, as far as admitting he can't hear in his ear, that he's, you know, cares bad. Yeah, that he's not as good as he was. Can't see either. Yeah. And I like that. I think that's honest and real. And he's not trying to hide it. And I think that's good for Colby. I think I think he is going to embrace this uncle role. He isn't one of the older guys. Yeah. It's uncle Jeff. Sorry. Daddy Colby. Uncle Jeff. Daddy Colby. Yes. But I think that's important. You know, I think it looked like he was having fun out there. He wasn't as serious. Maybe it doesn't mean as much to him anymore. It's more of a, you know, full circle moment than like I want to go out here and win moment. We'll see how it plays out. But I do like his attitude so far. And yeah, it was refreshing to see from his part. It is like we see a lot of stuff about how they wanted it to be a moment of a season of joy and happiness and fun and everything. And it does seem like everybody is having a really good time. Like there are those moments I've always enjoyed playing survivor of the game for the most part. And it does seem like everyone's really relishing that moment. Maybe too much with some like Mike does not give a rat's ass about winning. He's literally just there for vacation, which is a crazy, it's like a crazy pick for casting when they're just like, so vacation, you say, yeah, you're in. You're definitely in. Can you cry about your job that makes you 500 times as much as what the host of this show makes? Yeah. No, you're for sure in 100%. Vacation, you said? Yes. We wanted more people like that. I mean, okay. Here's a question. How many of these players do you think are there for the money only? Just the most money, but not like, no, I mean, there's cloud. The post game of getting the followers. There's all that stuff now that comes into play. So the money is not as important, but it is still the main folks. Do you think if they said, hey, everyone come out and play survivor 50? It's going to be the most epic season. All this, everything happening as we saw, but there's no grand prize of a million dollars. Do you think I think they would all show up the same cast? I would say 80% of the same cast was show up. Yeah. And maybe not. And still not paying. And they're not paying anybody extra. They're just like the same pay scale. Yeah. And no prize money at the end. Yeah. There's no. Nobody's playing wins. Nobody's playing to win. You're playing to begin on white Lotus. No, there's kind of feeling that way. I think though for a lot of these contestants, the glory and the pursuit. Yeah, the glory, like they care about the title of Soul Survivor. And I think they care about more than $1 million. Yeah. So it just wants us to be a family show. Should we just pull the million, save them another million. Jeff can put in his bank account every season and then measure people's gratitude to determine the case of your next, right? Or it's what evenly amongst everyone. I mean, if you're making it a family show, maybe that's the next move. Yeah. I don't like why $5 million makes it not a family show. People are less cut throat like people are going to not just win the game versus versus take the million. There's now less at stake, which makes people be nicer. and it's the sting of defeat isn't going to be as brutal and it's just going to be a happier game all the way around. I don't know. Maybe we'll get more of this as the season goes on. I wonder if like Christian, you know, with the six-week-old baby is going to be like, oh, wait, a million dollars actually could change my son's life. And then it does start to matter more to people. Correct. Yeah. To it now, everyone's just excited. Happy to be there. I don't think they're thinking about the million. They're thinking, I don't want to get voted up first. I want to make it as far as I can and beyond TV as long as possible. And if the million comes. Great. Yeah. I mean, that's a little bit of the way I would think about it if I got asked back again. Like, yes, I'm competitive, strategic. I want to win. But like, the million is awesome, but it's it doesn't so far away right now. Yeah. So far away. Yeah. That's I think that's the I think probably everyone's mentality. I want to win, but it's so far away like right now. Like, it's not it's not realistic for anybody to plan to win that million currently. Correct. Yeah. I'm going down to like final eight or nine or something. And then you're like, oh, this could actually happen. Yeah. When your decisions and your moves and the consequences could risky the million. Yeah. Like, now it's too early to think, oh my god, do I do this? Do I do that? Oh, yeah. There's a ways out of it. Now you could rebound easier now early. Right. So let's go to Calo Tribral quick coach doing yoga with Jonathan and Mike White on the beach. The early early for a fashion show and survivor. Usually that's like episode nine. This was after I believe I wrote the fashion show down, but then I skipped over it because I didn't care about it. I'm just I didn't really either, but usually that show was day three. I guess so we got the fashion show there. So Jonathan in the yoga circle wants D gone. Chrissy couldn't be happier. She's already been saying D's name. And this is where like naming names can go fine or it can be bad. Like, if you say the name that everybody else is already worried about, like D, then it's probably fine. If Jonathan's saying it and Chrissy's saying it and everyone else is agreeing, then it's probably okay. But when you come to the tepid reception at best of Jenna saying series name to people, then you got to back off that for sure, not even have started. I wouldn't have started either of them. But then we also get this girl group of Tiff D and Camilla, and they are locked in and they want to target Chrissy and they are especially Camilla is tired of the honorable integrity field game that she had to endure last time. Yeah. I love Camilla. I think she's great. I think she's fantastic. And I love the way the fact that she said that. She just wants to do bad things. You know, she's like, you know, she's got this little, I don't know what she's wearing. It's a little mirror cat and she's like, I want to do that thing because I shouldn't disappear. Yeah. Exactly. I can there is there like in our pre-game assessment, we kind of looked at and it seemed like there were more honor and integrity type people in this game and that that might be the alliance that really comes together. Is that going to be a problem for Camilla or does the people do the people who want to do bad things have a chance here? Can they find enough people that want to do bad things that are honorable enough to get rid of the honorable before they all eat each other? That's a tough question. I think for me, if I can get into that honorable group, I'm at least pretending I'm in the honorable group. I'm not. I'm not trying to go to the bad the bad girls club. Do you think there are any villains like? Did anyone come into this season with a villainous title or a little bit? Do you think they feel, do you think she feels she has a live-up to her play from the previous season? Do you think people are thinking that like I need to play like I did last time or pretend to play like I did last time but I'm really playing like I am now in the new version? Well, Savannah certainly doesn't. She has nobody knows her. I think the honorable people who, if they want to not be honorable, have to pretend to still be honorable. Right. And then I think the people who came in as known as villains or as people who weren't honorable, which I hate that that's the word we are using. It's just like the survival of an actual game. Honorable. How do you play an honorable game to find like an honorable game? Is it like you don't lie or you don't do sneaky? You get voted out before you have to turn on anybody you promised you would turn. Yeah, I guess that's honorable. You just like you go to the end and get third place is zero but as you never know. But I do believe that if you are known as someone who's sneaky, you have to come in and be like, I realize the error of my ways and the only way to win is to be honorable. I'm with the honorable group now. And you can still not be honorable but I think that's the sales pitch you have to, you have to give everybody the like I am loyal to you. Like that's it's just like that's what makes it hard is like everybody's going to tell you they're loyal to you for the most part. Yeah, unless they're playing a bad game like Aubrey and Genevieve staring down each other being like I don't think no crazy crazy moment. Let's go to now the immunity challenge and reward and I believe survivor would be a better game if at the immunity you can win immunity but the loser gets the reward. Oh, so now is it more valuable to you to lose and take the fishing here or is it more valuable to you to win immunity? No, it's always possible to push you there later in the season somebody would for something. Oh, for you bring out the rice and you say, okay, loser gets a bag of five pounds of rice. Winner gets immunity. If one of you is going to throw it, just tell me now and we'll take the rice and we'll get the other tribe immunity. There's three tribes still. So powerful like you don't go to tribal like you know anything could happen if you go to tribal so like why would you not want to go to trouble? Why would you choose? I'm telling you survivor's design to make people stop thinking rationally. And in moments of starvation or hardship maybe a reward is better and if you have the majority group and you're like let's say you have five people left on the tribe and there's opportunity at rice and you have a solid three. Come on, just say. Then you vote one person out and all three of you get the rice and you only have to share it with one person who's not with you. Like there's definitely opportunities and I think there is option. I do believe it would shake it up more. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you guys are right. They did a little bit of this in the last season or the season before where it was like in order to get the clue to this idol you have to have lost in a unique challenge. Remember like somebody had the beware advantage and it was like to get your vote back and get the clue you know it comes after immunity lost. They're fine by incentivizing the whichever player held that to kind of throw the challenge but then we never saw them actually throw the challenge. They just sort of waited until they naturally lost. Yeah. So there's a little bit of that right. I don't know man for rice. And then you see like later in the seasons when Jeff tries to like lure individual people down for people to come down. Yeah. People come down, right? So maybe you would come down as a tribe versus an individual. That's an interesting thought. I do think you could throw. You could throw the challenge but he knows to everyone else to get your rice that you wanted while everyone else is thinking you're going for the win. Like there I think it adds a layer of complexity to the game and makes individuals choose things over the group unbeknownst to the group sometimes. I believe it would be a good twist. Or you turn to the tribe next you say listen guys. Tribes let's work together. We're going to lose on purpose. We want the rice. We're going to give you the immunity. Yeah. You're friendly than you've been friends. Give him a little inside scoop. Maybe I don't think that would really work like the whole tribe can't be friends with the entire whole other tribe because somebody does have to get voted out Ethan. Well when you you can be friends if you're saying listen we are going to lose. It is more friends. So you guys win immunity like that's a whole tribe friendly. Yeah. I think there's a dynamic there. I think you still need I think this only works with a three tribe format. Where it's maybe last place or yeah where immunity goes to maybe immunity goes to first place and reward goes to second place and they and maybe we'll get some of that this season. There's so many people we're definitely going to have multiple people exiting uh in a single episode more than just this one time. I have to number so uh back at the challenge. Yep. Two notable things. Surrey didn't take steroids like I was hoping she would. She was not on the bike white workout measurement. She was not she was very bad. Not maybe you're not horrible. Not horrible. I mean sorry but the way Jenna Lewis described her she's old she can't run. She's useless and challenged. I think in that one challenge she wasn't good but I think Surrey looks fit. And good for her, you know, sure, you know, but growing that thing was not a good at all. She eventually got it. She was very, very bad. Jeff was yelling at her. And I don't think this is the right strategy in general. And, you know, I think it's underhand or overhead. The thing is with that challenge, it does take a certain amount of coordination that comes with throwing things. And I doubt Cere is been throwing a lot of things. Did she throw a throw up throwing a football and a baseball and shooting a basketball? And like, those are the sports where something like this can come into play a little bit. Right. And I don't think that she had that, which is wild to me that that tribe just put her on that thing. Right. That too. Yeah. Like, let's all be dependent on Cere to do the solo mission. Yeah, just put her on the puzzle, right? Yeah. Somewhere else. Somewhere else. So that was wild. And Christian even said that as they came back. He was like, you know, what? We need to be more strategic on where we put make decisions in the challenges. And that is honestly one of the factors to winning challenges is having a tribe that all knows their strengths and weaknesses and can be honest with those strengths that we make weaknesses. Yes. Know yourself. Know how other people respond to you because the better you know yourself, the better you know who you can align with or not align with, compliment your strengths, different strengths or however they may work. But it's always shocking to me that when seeing people come into this game after 50 seasons and just still do the wrong things like not understanding how other people view them in a social situation. I think that's the most important factor of playing the game as a survivor in some ways, just understanding who you are as a person. So then you can find the right people to be around you. Right. Kyle gets hurt. Sad. And he does ultimately end up leaving the game. It is very, very sad. It was a sad moment when he left. And crazy, crazy. That is survivor is like Jeff said. It's risky. It's dangerous. There are like, it's real. And there's these moments. And that's definitely brutal. Like, he's one of the guys that gets hurt. You know, if we were betting on who we get hurt, like, he's one of the younger people in the season. Yeah. And I did also want to point out while we're saying that and how great shape he is in, there's a lot of old people running on this season. And I also run like an old person now too. Like, there's some like type of careful gingerness too. I was like, Joe, and Joe was running. Joe specifically. And I started watching. Joe was like kind of like, you know, hobbling down the beach and being very careful with his foot placement. Colby was moving a little bit like that coach was coach was moving pretty good. But he was moving a little bit like that. And I was just like the old dude run. I have the old dude run. I know because I just barely did not get injured. I don't play that play the sport. I played and I get injured. Yes. So of course, I like shuffle the shuffle jawline block. Are you guys like careful with how you lift things and stuff to never think about it. Now I'm like the back. I got to keep it a certain angle. It'll really use my lower body. Not the not then my back. Yeah. Squat down. Lifting legs training as you do to go on survivor. You really can't. I mean, there's just so many weird movements, shapes. Your body goes and all of those things right. You can't you can't prepare for it. You can't train for it. I mean, obviously you can do some stuff like when you're in it. Yeah. Things can happen. You can get injured. I feel horrible for Kyle. Happy that he's coming off a winning season, right? He'll always be a winner. So I think hopefully he can find solace in that that like listen. I won last time. This didn't go my way. You know, he's an athlete. His lacrosse player, you know, I'm sure he's used to those types of big situations going wrong. Yeah. Do you guys great when when Camilla finds out that Kyle is out that she'll see really be kind of happy because it frees her up from this target of that their duo. I don't know if she's going to say she's happy. She's going to say that there's a silver lining. You think she's going to say she's happy that he got injured. I think she's going to know she's sad he got injured, but there's a silver lining in that she will free her up and nobody will connect her with a tight duo. Yeah. If she really wants to play this like backstab in villainous game, so just come out and be like, yes. I actually prayed last night. Yeah. We all know he ties him when you go there and play. Yes. You hope there's people that have you've played with on your same season, or do you hope they're you're playing against any people who have not played with you personally. Like I know the way they broke these tribes down. There's a few seasons that have three players, some have just one, but like yeah, is it an advantage or disadvantage to have other people out there that you've played? If you trust them and you feel good about them, then it's an advantage. If you don't, then it's a disadvantage because you assume that they're coming for you and you have to also take the offense of a little bit and gun it down. Like that's I think I would rather play with people I've never played with than somebody that I had beef with on a former season. What if yeah, oh, if you were friends with them on a former season, then I'd rather have a friend there. Yeah. Okay. But it's also going to be dangerous if everyone sees you as a duo coach. And I run heroes versus villains and it was talked about a little bit, but we kept our distance and we kind of worked our way into different alliances a little bit. And so it didn't matter as much, but it definitely there was conversations about it. Yeah. Next Tom and I on All Stars, we're all in separate tribes to start. In my mind, it wasn't a factor, but I think it was being talked about that we all got back together again. In the merge, we would probably link up because we were such good strong alliances on Africa that we would link up and no one could kind of control that trio if we made it all back together. Right. Yeah. So I yeah, I it just depends on your experience with them and your current real life relationship with them as you are going out there. We caught Calla wins and Vatu is second and Sila is going to tribal council. Sila. Sila. I'll get it. Sila. Okay. That makes sense. Thanks Ashley. Now I now I can get it. Sila is going to tribal council. Savannah wants to re gone and we get this juggle between Jenna and Syree. And then people start giggling about. Should we send Ozzy home? Right. Yeah. Hilarious. That would have been hilarious. Right. Unbelievable. It would have been so funny. Now that I'm rooting against Ozzy in any capacity, I think he's doing great here now. It actually is fun to see him navigate this social thing or try to adjust to it. Was there ever a doubt that it was going to be Jenna as we're going up to this? Actually, there's no doubt. No. I feel like she just it was such a we we talked about this a bit preseason about an old school player coming in and being like I have to play this cutthroat fast paste game with these kids. Yeah. And it's like that's actually the biggest mistake that you could make and Jenna just fell right into it. Especially on three twos like it's like yes. On paper getting rid of three who's so poor at the challenges and such a big threat strategically and socially makes a lot of sense. But the problem is everyone loves her. You just can't have her name in your mouth that early. Right. Just too too hot too fast. Yes. I agree to you. I don't think there was ever a moment during the episode once especially once Cila went to tribal council or lost that challenge that it wasn't going to be Jenna. I mean, Christian made a good you know talking point where he says if we vote off either Aussie or Seri where when we come back to camp we're going to blood on her hand. It's going to be a dirty vote is what he called it. So I felt I think that might have if anyone was leaning not towards Jenna Lewis that would have you know brought them back towards Jenna Lewis because I thought that was a smart point because yeah one of the two are going to be mad at others and there so that might cause a ripple and Jenna's alone. She's by herself no one wants her you know playing the game they don't make her strategy her aggressiveness and so a little bit I thought I agree with that strategy but on the flip side I'm like do you keep a Jenna around for that reason because she's playing hard you can always get her voted out you know she's a little too aggressive verbalized on this show was like the devil we know is better than the devil we don't is that the same something like that total here and they also said Aussie and Seri are the devil we don't like we don't know to what extent they're playing what conversations they're having but we do know everyone knows what Jenna's doing yes so yeah I think I think she had just played much more low key and not coming with any strategy at all but only focus on bonds and just kind of kept her head down her name wouldn't have even been out there and it probably would have been out of this rear Aussie going home yeah right work on the work at the work at the camp work hard make friends does everybody said it too I think it might I think it was like Devon's like it sucks to lose the season one representative too. Like I don't think people wanted to vote out the only Borneo person there. Yeah. That's so bad for two because like, I don't know. I mean, I know what it's like coming back and getting voted out early, you know, like the mental, you know, fitness, you have to put in to say, okay, I'm going to do this again. Then physically fit and you're watching all the seasons, maybe practice and puzzles. Are you doing the pregame or not the pregame? There's just so much that goes into getting yourself mentally, physically, spiritually ready to go back and play again. And then to get voted off is just my heart broke. For General Lewis, it really did. It really did. But the choices she made didn't seem to float well with the group that she was with at that moment. I mean, you think you know, do you know General Lewis much? No, I played with her on All Stars. Yeah, you friends. Yeah. Played with on All Stars. We did Eco Challenge together, which is another Marprinette production in Fiji. We were in last place. But we did not do well on that show. But so like, yeah, I would definitely consider General one of my friends. We stayed in touch over the years. I didn't know she was going out there until later until didn't even call me, which I was very surprised that she had no pregame, you know, in. Yeah. I talked to her like maybe a week before she went and like seeing everything online. I'm like, oh my god, you're going. You didn't even call me like I've played six years ago. Let me help you out a little bit. I didn't get any of that. But but I was happy she's there. And she's, you know, she's a competitor. She's strong. She's fit. And I just think she was just a little bit too aggressive on the first couple of days. Yeah, I think so too. Had she targeted somebody else, even with that aggression, maybe it would have been okay, but like it just didn't float with Sari who had made some personal connections and had Aussie already. And so yeah, I think the safest move is to go and seem totally unassuming and non-threatening and super fun and happy and get on everyone's good side. And that's like what you got to do. Feel free. Anybody who's going to go back on survivor that hasn't been on for a while to give us a call and we'll talk you through it. Yes. Yeah. Talk you through it because there is some coaching involved now with with that and charge for that these days. I don't really charge anything. If somebody's going on survivor and they message me, they're like, what should I? Like here's the advice I have. I would have given her that same advice. The advice I just barely said. That's that's it. Like do not name don't name names. Why are they name names? Chrissy. Oh, name name. Chrissy coming out name and names and Jenna coming out name and names. That's a real bad. Let somebody else name the names or direct them to name the name you want to name before you go into like we said this. You get the message where like you got to play hard, you got to play fast, you can't wait for anything. So like I think that was probably in Jenna Lewis's head and she just could not get out of it. And she was like playing an old school game and strategy in the new era and just went yeah, too fast, too hard. I felt like there were people on this tribe that you could go to and kind of weasel them into naming a name first. Like you could go up to Joe and just be like, man, we gotta keep this tribe strong, right? Yeah. Like who, how do we do that? And he'll just be like, well, Sri, you know, or whatever or or somebody else and kind of like, you guys have Savannah on this tribe. She let you know she just won season 49. She just won the million dollars in the title. That goes with it. And we know it's so important. And she's a complete unknown. You don't anything about her. How can anyone trust her? And so just feels like you're the right person. And you don't say Savannah's name, but you say we gotta keep people we can trust. We gotta keep people we know we have some familiarity with and we know what they're going to do and whatever. And then comes out that way. So I don't know, just just going and immediately dropping a name. It's like survivor, one or one you don't know that measuring the temperature first even. Yeah, you didn't even measure the temperature just came in hot with the name. The player who had the the best quote about exactly that in this episode from a different tribe, obviously, it was Kyle. He was like, you're not playing chess and you're not playing poker. You're playing people. And so you just kind of form those relationships first. And then you can start to move the pieces around and do the strategy. But if you start doing the strategy before you get the people, it just doesn't work. Yeah, I love what he said. Survivor is a game of relationships, right? It's how can you sell yourself and your ideas to other people and get them to follow along and like you while doing it. That is the game. And it's not even chess because people aren't always even playing strategic because there's the human element. The emotional element. What game is it most like, especially in this era of with all these advantages? It's a game of life. Yeah, it's it's not chess. It's yeah, candy lands maybe a little bit more accurate. Shoot some ladders. There's more there's more strategy to it. I guess we're we're being a little mean. But yeah, there's a seller's a caton or something maybe I don't know. Yeah, it's something because there's emotional elements to where people are like, I just want to get that person because they we're going to get yes, yes, like that. But that's not strategic right now. I don't give a shit. Like let's get there just like doing a camp. Yeah, I can have around anyone. Yeah, exactly. So that's what makes it. That's what makes it human entertainment. Otherwise, if it was always straight forward strategic, it would not be as fun and exciting to watch. And normally, Jenna Jenna's voted out. People try to hug her. They give her a standing thing. She's a little offended by it, but then it admits it takes it. And that's normally where the episode ends. This episode. I love how she are the exit. She's like, you know, I really do hope this tribe loses every challenge after I've gone. Yes, I really hope this tribe gets crushed in loses every single challenge that I've got. I'm so sick of people going home and being like, all good, everybody you know, regret for me playing with you all. Yeah, win it for me. Finally, somebody who's like this socks and I hope you all eat shit. One of you better win. That's the saying that's always like get out of here, dude. I hope none of you would. Yeah, I hope none of you win. So very sad to see Jenna go would have been fun to see her navigate the game a little bit longer, get some footing. And that sucks. Like when you lose your first challenge, like you are in scramble mode is probably what two or three days only right there. That's hard. That episode keeps going. I looked before tribal councils. They're still like an hour left of this. That's not that's an hour long tribal council. I'm not understanding what's happening. So tribal is done. We go to Vatu and Kyle's limping around, which you know, he eventually gets sent home for it. But Genevieve and Stephanie are looking for advantages. And they find the first celebrity advantage. The Billy Idol Boomerang. Yes. Idol. You like it? You like it, Ethan? I like it. I actually like it. I think it's a good idol. You know, whether it's named after her or not has doesn't really matter to me. It's cool. I have to bring it in pop culture. But I think the I think the idol is a good idol. I like it. I don't. How about you? You don't tell me well because there's too much information now. Like it's a problem because Ozzy gets it. Does he know he got it as a gift? He has to assume he got it as a gift. So now it's came from somewhere Boomerang part, though. He knows nothing about the Boomerang. No. But what he does know is that somebody else knows and who knows how many people that person is told that Ozzy has the idol. Like it's not a secret idol. That is true. Secret maybe for now. So my thoughts are Ozzy. Even though it says like it's good until the final five, Ozzy has to play it at the first merge, the first swap, the first anything where they have interaction with any of the other tribes. She just has to play it because he doesn't know where it came from and how many people know about it. No, the best scenario for Ozzy would be is that Savannah doesn't go far in the game. And she didn't reveal that she gave it to Ozzy and no Genevieve gave it. Genevieve, that's all right. But that doesn't matter anyways because Ozzy, you're saying you're saying Ozzy. So Genevieve told Stephanie and told Kyle, is that right? She told that she had the idol. She told the Boomerang idol. She read the Boomerang idol in front of Kyle and told Stephanie who to give it to. So those two know which means Colby probably knows which means that right. It's too much information. I think Ozzy will he have the foresight to know that enough people are going to know about this as soon as a tribe swap or merge happens, he's got to get rid of it. So this is why giving it to Ozzy is brilliant because you're exactly right, Tyson. You should just trash the thing the moment, you know, there's any uncertainty at all. Yeah, but I don't know if Ozzy's going to know that. Right, right. That's why they give it to him. There's a gift Ben caught out with one before it is pocket. Yeah. So smart. The history coming back to haunt him. And is that the play there for Genevieve to choose who, I think it's to choose who she thinks is going to get targeted early so she can get it back quickly. I mean, I think it's, you know, it's almost a little bit of a win-win for whoever gives it. Like you can make the statement that listen, I gave it to you because I do want to work with you and I wanted to forge an alliance and just hoping we would come together at the merge and talk about it. Or I'm giving it to this person. So they use it incorrectly or get folded out. So like, I think it's a win-win for the person potentially giving the idol. That's kind of, yeah. - This is Genevieve's play. - Yes. - She should tell people she gave it to someone else and give it to another person. - Nice. - And then those people are all convinced that that person has it. And anytime they deny it, they just assume they're lying completely. And the person who has it is totally unbeknownst, except for that they think that somebody else also knows. So it's like, yeah, I think Genevieve should have told Stephanie and Kyle that she gave it to someone else and then given it to the person she chose. - Smart. That's like a villains move. - Yeah, yeah. So the house of villains move. - House of villains move. So that's what I mean, and I just, that just came to me. Would that have come to me in the moment? I don't know. I don't know that I would have ran around and told people about the Billie Eilish boomerang idol. And can we just call it the boomerang idol? Do we have to say Billie Eilish before it? (laughing) - I wish I could have Billie Eilish. - Billie, Billie Eilish. - I feel like there should be a requirement that Billie Eilish like appeared to present that idol or something, like even in like a recorded video or something. - She could have hidden the bushes and then like peeked out with the idol in her hand. Like this is for you, and then got back down. - All right, a song about it. - Something, 'cause I mean, it just, it feels like survivor just invented this idol who the production did. And then they reached out probably to Billie Eilish's team and they're like, "Hey cool, if you put your name on it." And they're like, "Yeah, cool." And that's it. (laughing) - Oh, Billie Eilish, you're like, write that note. - Or they spelled her name wrong. And it's not even it's a fictional BILY. They're just like, "No, Billie Eilish from Iowa." You do. - Yeah, not, not your thinking, but like they just, every name is just spelled barely different. - Right. - Yeah, so that's smart. That's really smart actually. Like they found a different Billie Eilish and were like, "I want to do this for promo purposes." But we don't have permission. So come to Tom Cruise. - I don't. - Yeah, the Tom Cruise idol. Not Tom Cruise the actor. Tom Cruise the inventor of the rascal. - Yes, it wasn't Tom Cruise the inventor. Yeah, there's another Tom Cruise that was an inventor. I love that. - A inventor? - Yes, you're an inventor. So you would know that's why I thought that reference would get in for you. - I only know the real one. The real, I think they're both real Tom Cruise's. - True. - Sorry, my friend. - The real one. - Sorry, other Tom Cruise. - Sorry, Tom Cruise. I hope he's not on the survivor next season, Jesus. - So embarrassing. - We get, that's the other way they could do it too. We've cast Tom Cruise on this season. - Yes. - Tom Cruise. - Tom Cruise. - Tom Cruise on season 51. - Yes, and they should everyone on the whole season should have the name of a, it's a famous person. - It's a famous version of survivor. - Yes. - It's just plays and that's something fun. - That's really fun. And all the promo is not pictures of the film. Just the names, just get images, stock photos of celebrities. All right, well, they can have that idea for free, but it is hilarious. Or just, are there other, like Tyson Apostles out there or are there like, you know, Jenna Levin? - There were 30 players, yeah. - They were returning later, but they're not the real players. - That came right to you. - That could work to you. Both would work. - Or a try. - We've got kids named after him, right? That's what Probe said, right? - Yeah. - There's some other Ethan's out there named after me. - Yeah, I hope. - Yeah, there is. But do they have the same last name? - Not yet. - Not yet. - Not yet. - Not yet. - They have to change their name. They have to fan, so people who are going on this season can legally change their name to one of these names. Yeah, okay. There we go, that's man. We're really getting into it. Rick laughing about Ozzy providing and how they're just gonna get rid of him. Wow, Ozzy finds the idol in his bag and now has an extra vote and an idol, which is a crazy spot to be in on the first handful of days. Is he gonna, is this gonna, is he gonna implode with too much strategy options, too much too many strategy options? There's a plan A to see, I don't know what to do. - I would be up like, oh my god. I mean, you gotta just, hopefully he's smart enough to sit on it and like let the game play a little bit, but you never know. You get nervous that he's holding too much and he's just gotta use it or get rid of it or tell someone, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, and tell someone. - Actually a good ally for him, I think. - 'Cause she won't tell. I had pretty certain that she does not talk. Which is about to do something too. Like, hey, this idol that you randomly got gifted, it might be a trap. - Yeah. - Yeah, she sounds real. - Ozzy only saw the positives of that, you know. - Instantly. - Oh, this is incredible. Like, he doesn't know who gave it to him. - Somebody gave it to him. - Somebody who, we don't know who knows you have an idol. You realize that's like a target on you. - Yeah. - He doesn't care, he's so happy. - Yeah, so. - She will pick up on that. So, if he tells her, it could be actually good for him. - If it gets boomerang and Genevieve is not there, it just goes out of the game. - I think or that gets put back into the game. - That he goes out of the game probably. I don't know, how many boomerangs can there be in one season? - I mean, can't boomerang to the person who she's not there. - There is a scene that was shown in the past of Rick Devon's being like, "Oh, Bill, the island's boomerang idol." - So. - Yeah, so he either heard about it somehow, whether he's witnessed it get played or it comes back into the game or something. - Good cloud, yeah. - Yeah, we do that. - There is something. And that did come to me because I was like, "Oh, nobody knows." But Rick, at some point, finds out because he flips out about it in the promos leading up to the season. So, we had that. We then get a journey, a post-tribal journey. This was a, like, I mean, I know why they kept going with the episodes 'cause Kyle goes home the day after a tribal council. So they were just like, let's just wrap that into one episode. And we get this journey with Mike, Colby, and Savannah. And Mike learns the dishonorable nature in which coach got the tribe's supplies. But he doesn't care. He just loves it. And they draw to see who competes and who doesn't. And Mike ends up not competing. He goes straight back to camp, and confronts coach immediately. - Yeah, do you think he should have confronted coach? - No, I think that I tried to coach. I would say, "Hey, coach, listen, this is what's happening. This is what's being said about you." - I believe you. - I would say. - Yeah, as he's telling a different story heads up. - Yes, exactly. - Yeah, something like that. I think Mike announcing it and just for the entertainment of the discomfort. - That was like that move. - Yeah, but Mike would just want, he's on vacation, dude. He's gonna have his conversation. - He wants to create chaos. He knew saying it in that moment would cause more chaos than if he did a private and make, yeah. Which if that's a strategy, I just hope he thought through what like now, people are like, "Well, I can't tell Mike anything 'cause he's just gonna say it to the crowd no matter what I tell him whenever he wants." So I would have held that a little bit closer. - Yeah, yeah, I would have too. So, but Mike didn't care. And he's vacation mode. It makes you a little Lucy Goosey with your lips. And then we get survivor Jenga. - Dude, this is-- - Tetris, I'd say. - It's Tetris, Jenga. - They sell this game at Costco. It's the Tetris stacking game. Have you ever seen this game from Costco? - You can buy this. Yeah, I've seen it at Costco. I've seen it at, there's a puzzle. - Yeah, I mean, it's just, look up Tetris tumble. That's literally exactly what this is. And it just copied it. It's crazy. - Wow. - I think it's a little different. 'Cause I think they had different pieces and I don't think the one that I've seen is like plastic at like rocks back and forth too. This one didn't seem like it did that, but I mean, it's like, otherwise almost the exact same. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, I liked the challenge. I thought it was fun. I thought it was an interesting dynamic to choose who went, but they ended up just drawing, which is that what you do? Do you fight to play or do you just like leave? - I would, you mean drawing rocks or whatever? - Yeah. 'Cause they'd leave. - They had to decide themselves. They had to decide themselves, the two that competed in. So they agreed to just draw rocks to determine. And I would just be like, I'll just go back with my vote real quick. No time had passed. I think you'd go back to the tribe and be like, I didn't get to play, they played. - I think the best move there is to not play. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. - Yeah. - Oh. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the best move is to not play 'cause you assume you're gonna lose your vote. - I feel like I'm on the other side where I just never wanna return from a journey empty handed 'cause everyone's gonna assume you got something anyways. Seem as well, actually. - Yeah, if you return that quick. - Yeah, so I think so. - You're wrong. - But. (laughing) - Wow. Jesus, Tyson. - I don't think he could-- - He's so aggressive. - I think if you have the option to not play and you know that everything's intact, and you go straight back, you got your little personal connection with both of them, get to the boat and get back as fast as you can, and be like, "I didn't, they didn't let me participate, I had to leave." Colby and Savannah play, and I thought their strategies were both, like it was fun to see Colby building tall and Savannah building wide, knowing she was gonna run out of moves if she had to match tall for tall. And Colby flew too close to the sun. - He didn't lost. - I like seeing Colby's hands are a little too shady, a little nervous. - Yeah, I like seeing them. - Yeah, that's good, yeah, he was cheeky. And so he loses his boat, right? So now he lost his boat and Kyle's gone, and Q doesn't have a boat. So now three people in their alliance of four don't have a boat. And Kyle's not even there. So I guess that's also, Kyle's not there, also there's not Kyle's boat. So that's a crazy turn of events, and that's detrimental to that group. Like how do you navigate that? You have to convince everybody that you have the majority and have your alliance convince everyone that the majority's there, and I just think it's a really tough spot for Q and who's in that group? Q and Colby, Kyle's gone. - Stephanie. - Stephanie. - Aubrey. - In general. - No, Stephanie, it was Colby and Stephanie and Q and Kyle. - Yeah, yeah, sorry, yep. - So Stephanie's the only one with a boat out of that whole four pack. - Wow, yeah. - Which is. - So early. - I thought this was happening at the game, right? - Yeah, it's like, you can't, nothing you do can prepare you for something like this happening to you on day four of Survivor. Like it's just like bad luck, worst of the draw, nothing you could do. Like wasn't your fault, crazy, crazy moment. And I think it's, I'm sure that's the right thing. Do you think it takes a little bit pressure off the players that, you know, so much is based on luck and it's in the hands of the fans. And so it's really just a. - It's so random. - It's like that's a little easier. - It would make me more mad at the game than it would at the people in the game. So it's less personal and more like, I'm mad at big brother, not at the players. - Right. Because I feel like that's fair, you're not building, yeah, your building game that has so many unfairnesses, just randomly tossed into the mix. That you're just like, well, you got fucked and it had nothing to do with you or your decisions. You played perfectly, but you're gonna go home pretty early and everyone's gonna think you suck at this. - Right, right. Or you can get voted out. What was the three had that one rear? Everyone played an idol in three didn't have one. So she was voted out because she's like the only one left. But she did, you need to get voted out like, exactly, like you're playing the game for that. That's like a horrible situation. - Yeah, and for her, like she can't be mad at anybody except for the design of the game. She's like, well, stupid, yeah. So that's how I would feel about it. - But now she can be mad at the fans 'cause the fans designed the game in their hand or at least their hands can be mad at the hands of the fans. - Yes, yes, not just the hands. - Just the hands of the fans. Kyle goes home, very, very sad. And Savannah is revealed to her after Colby exits that she gets an extra vote. Is that what she got? She got an extra vote, right? - A block of vote. - She got a block of vote. - Yeah. - She goes back to the tribe and tells them everything that Colby witnessed. There is nobody that witnessed her getting an extra advantage and nobody believes her. - I know, I would have done the same thing. - I would have done the same thing. - Is she a bad liar or everybody just assumes you're getting something on these journeys so no matter what you say, if you didn't admit to getting something, then you're in trouble. - This is what I'm saying. - Definitely it's gonna get something. - Everyone's gonna see her in many ways, right? - Why don't you just lie about getting something that's like not that cool? Say, oh, I got, or something that's super cool. I got the super rival. I can play it after the vote. - They could ask you to prove it, right? They could say yes, let's see the vote. - No, yeah. - Yeah. - Let's see the note. - Yeah. - The guy I lost it. - Blue out of way was on the boat. - That's a good question though. 'Cause like, they believed Mike White when he came back and he was like, I didn't get to play. But they didn't believe Savannah. - It's fantastic. - So maybe we just, maybe that's just what we saw. Somebody must have speculated that Mike White actually got something. - If somebody goes on a journey, you do have to assume they have something no matter what. That's like just the safety, that's the safest way to play. So it is smart, but like Savannah get like, she lies and then everybody just assumes she is also a liar and has a thing. - Yeah. - So do you just have to tell them the full truth or do you tell them? - I'm saying it's a different advantage. - I don't know how that helps you. - Yeah. - You just tell them it's the stupidest or worst advantage that you can possibly think is believable. - Right. - But then they're gonna ask for proof. Like that's the thing. You just kinda have to tell them the truth, I guess. You're right, Riley. You're right. For as long as you were about not just like leaving immediately from the journey, you're for sure right that you just have to come back and tell them the truth and prove it to them. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's why journeys aren't great. You know, there's nobody yet. Nobody has ever said a journey is great. Even everyone I think that's not a hot take. Well, some people say I wanna go on the journey 'cause they think they're gonna get an advantage 'cause some people look forward to it. - If you're on vacation, you're just out there like escaping the doldrums of making tens of millions of dollars on an HBO TV show, then take the journey, man. You got nothing to lose, you're on vacation. So, yeah, that's it. And that concludes our coverage of the premiere unless I missed something and we have something other than Riley's Reads. - Well, before we do Riley's Reads. - Yes. - If a dealer's shown a 10, do you hit 16? - Tyson. (laughing) - Oh, yes, yes. - We gotta talk about this. The big strategic question at the heart of the set. - There's only one card. - I do what the table. It wants me to do. - Really? - Yeah. - 'Cause you're playing with the team. - You're right. - Okay. - She's right, the table is the team and maybe you have to take one for the team in the- - What if you're on your own, you're playing solo. - Do you hit on 16? - Yeah. - When the dealer has 20? - No, dealer's showing a 10. - Dealer's showing a 10. - Um, no, I stay, I stay on 16. - You stay? - Yeah. - I think you're just playing against the poker lines. - Oh, maybe you are supposed to do. I do whatever you're supposed to do. I just honestly asked the dealer what you're supposed to do. - What should I do? - Yeah. - The dealer will tell you they'll be like, well, the book says they hit that, yeah. I mean, they will, they don't care. They have the edge in advantage anyways. And they like, you're happier when you win. - Yeah, the dealer wants you to win, so you tip. - Yes. - True, yes. - So they will tell you, you just say, like, crap's too, you go to crap's table. They're like, what should I do? Like, well, typically sprinkle some on the five and the six and whatever, you know, like there's, they'll tell you what, they'll tell you what the strategy is. And so usually that's what I do. If I am not with a table that knows what they're doing, telling me what to do, I'll just ask the dealer, I'm like, oh, what am I supposed to do? And they're like, you're not supposed to hit. You are supposed to hit. So, yes, I'm doing what you're supposed to do or what somebody tells me you're supposed to do 'cause I don't know the game well enough. So, yeah, that's it. Let's get into Riley's reads. Riley, what do we have? - Well, I think that we spend so much time on this supersized episode. I just wanna run through our predictions. - Okay. - So, who are winner picks after one episode? - This is tough. - Ashley, you wanna start us off? - Oh my gosh. I'm like the teacher calling on somebody in class. Sorry, I'm sorry. - I, you know what, I'm gonna say Tiffany, you know? No one, they mentioned her for like a quick second, but then she was lost. And now suddenly all the bigger voices are being talked about and everything. And I think that she's really good at like slipping through the cracks. And she could be a part of the integrity alliance if there's gonna be another one. She could be a part of the bad girl alliance, you know? There is one officially. I think that she is really good at just altering her strategy. And I feel like this is her chance to show it. I say Tiffany. - I actually really like that, Ashley, 'cause she's the only girl in that bad girl group that could bounce to the integrity. She hasn't done anything on her last season that people have seen on TV that would make them suspicious of her honorableness, her honorableness, her honorableness, for honor. >> For honor, yeah. >> Is that your big Tyson? >> No, I'm not, I'm still thinking, so I'm going to have-- >> I'm still thinking, but along the same lines as your strategy, Ashley, you know, I feel it's going to be someone who, there's so many big personalities out there. I think it's going to be someone who is a little bit under the radar, overlooked a little bit. I was going to think, say Camilla, only because she's part of that and, you know, she seems like she's nice on the outside, but, you know, evil on the inside. So, and no one's really looking at her. And I don't think people are going to pay attention to her. They're just going to kind of glance over her in a good way. And so, I think I'm going to go with Camilla. >> Riley, here you go. >> Well, Ashley and Tiffany is my preseason winner pick. And I felt-- I moved off of her after this episode. You know, I write this down in my notes before I ask you all. And I'm going to say Genevieve. I've been impressed with her thinking of, you know, I have to form relationships. It's something that doesn't come naturally to her. And I think that I just-- that resonates with me too. I'm like, yes, I have to, like, put effort into this as well. So, I've liked her approach. >> Okay. I'm just going to, you know, go a different direction than everybody to make it fun for people. And I also, same thing, didn't see a lot of heat on this person. Kind of stayed under the radar. Charlie. Charlie stayed surprisingly under the radar and is on the seemingly the strongest tribe. Which means he should get into the game enough to find his footing. Mike White seems to want to work with him. And I think he's in a good spot. I think he's personable enough that he can win multiple different generations over. And he also is old enough now that he has some life experience that, like, Rizzo, I see Rizzo. Like, I think Rizzo is going to go far. Like, he's all the sudden won Colby over a little bit. And now he's like, it played into that role. I don't think people are going to give Rizzo the win even if he gets, yeah, and I still think he's too young. And I think people don't love that. So I think Charlie is in a very sweet spot. Yeah. I didn't realize he was on the show until he said it. Yeah. That's exactly what we wanted to win her pick. Yeah. Definitely. All right. So who's going home next week? I think Riz tribe's losing again. I think they're losing. I think Seri keeping Seri is going to be the, this tribe is going to have an uphill battle trying to win challenges while she's there. And let's see. It's tricky because Serena wins. So then what is it? What is it? Seri? Who goes home next week? Oh, who goes home? Who else is on that tribe? What tribe is Emily? Emily. Emily is on that tribe. See you later. Yeah. I think some, I mean, if they don't win the challenge, I-- I think it's going to be someone like that. I think it's going to be sure. Not Ozzy, not Seri because I think Ozzy would do something stupid. Oh, yeah. It could play as I-- Yeah, you're right. He might. He could, actually. We could see an idol play next week. We could? Yeah. I think Seri is the target if they lose because I think that they will realize that she's going to be the detriment at all the challenges and then they're going to be like, OK, we have to. And then Ozzy maybe plays an idol for her. Yeah. And then who does it bounce on? Well, what do Ozzy and Seri want? Seri want. Yeah, they probably wouldn't want Emily gone, actually. They would want-- who do they want to do? It's Christian and Rick. Rick? Savannah, maybe. Savannah. Oh. Interesting. Because she's kind of the newbie outsider, right? Yeah. But she's got the idol up in block-about though. But they don't know that. If she mentioned she had the block-about, they're suspicious of her having something. They're suspicious. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Very easy vote on this tribe, given that like she's an unknown, they know that she just won. And now you're suspicious of her having the chance from the journey. Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like Savannah is going to allow there. I'm going to stay with Seri, assuming they keep it from Ozzy, so he doesn't find out. That's what I'm going with. OK. Right. That'd be a bummer. Yeah. When are you at? I think Seri's tribe is definitely going to lose the next one. I think they might be the disaster tribe of this season, which is a bummer for them. But I think it might be a weird one. I think Ozzy might be going home next week, because I don't think that they're going to get rid of Seri. I don't think this team is ready for that yet. They seem really into her. And she's really, really good at getting out of that kind of stuff. And I think with Savannah's all of her advantages, I think they're going to try to push the votes onto Savannah. And then Savannah's going to be like the deciding vote or something. And then she's going to get out Ozzy just to be like, that's funny. So yeah. I think. Yeah. Maybe she gets wind of the boat. Yeah. I think Ozzy might be going. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I don't know. Maybe the whole tribe goes, you know, oh, yeah, I think Savannah gets wind. I mean, I was on Emily, but now I was on Savannah after Tyson and now I'm on Ozzy. So I'm hoping maybe I'm thinking, I'm thinking Ozzy or Savannah. I can't decide. Okay. Okay, you're going to take two, you're doing to take choices, I feel like yeah, you should have to pick one. Okay. Doesn't really matter though. Savannah. I'm going to go to Savannah. All right. I think I had, I was going in a different direction and just taking a real stab in the dark and saying that calo loses. Okay. And then it's Chrissy going home similar to Jenna for coming into hot too fast in name of names. Fair. That makes sense. I could see that, but I could also see her getting her way with D with coach and Jonathan and Mike White, all kind of there. Yes. So that was the other thing I thought too was that maybe D who we had kind of said preseason comes in with the biggest threat level, but I don't know, feel like D might wiggle her way out of it. Okay. Well, a lot of these people come into it with like their, their own impression of like how other people see that there's players like on the biggest threat of the game. Yeah. If it ever was the biggest threat of the game. Um, that's all I had. Just wanted to do the predictions. Okay. Awesome. Yeah. Uh, you can get a survivor lover gear from Ethan. We all got it. Where do we find it? Ethan. You can go to Ethanzon.com and get as much survivor lover gears you want, hats, hoodies, t-shirts, baby stuff, whatever it is. We've got it. Amazing. Are you a survivor lover? Uh, and you can listen to the pod has spoken anywhere you get your podcasts on YouTube, like, share, and comment that helps us out a lot. And we are going to be bringing extra content to you this season season 50. Uh, we will have multiple cod multiple podcasts a week, not each and every week, but a lot of weeks. We're going to be double and down on our content and, uh, other than that, you can watch me on house of villains on peacock coming out every Thursday. So that's exciting. If you're watching season 50 and you're like, this lacks a lot of Tyson, you can go straight on over to peacock and get your fill, uh, and that'll do it this week. Thanks again. Ashley, thank you for making a sound and look amazing. Riley, thanks for your hot and cold takes because it gives me something to pick at when you get it wrong. Uh, just leave the journey. And Ethan, uh, always a pleasure. Much love, everyone, see you tomorrow, actually. See you.