Recapping ‘Survivor 51’ Episode 5 With Rizo!

Sampai jumpa di video berikutnya. Apa kabar semuanya? Terima, legenda, Rizzo, baga apa kabar? Tyson, saya ingin berterima kasih, saya berharap Anda telah menjelaskan RIZ, G-O-D, seperti yang telah saya lakukan dengan mematikan 40 kali di tahun terakhir, tapi tidak apa-apa, itu tugas saya untuk melakukannya di Pot of Spoken, jadi terima kasih telah mengunjungi saya. Ya, apakah Anda menjadi pertama, seorang lelaki, seorang mitos, atau seorang legenda? Oh, itu suatu yang susah, saya mungkin akan mengatakan seorang lelaki, saya hanya berpikir, anda tahu, dilahirkan sebagai lelaki, saya rasa itu mungkin datang terlebih dahulu, dan kemudian mimpi itu adalah, anda tahu, kegagalan saya mengatakan diri saya sebagai Riz God, dan orang tidak percaya bahwa dewa-dewa yang adalah saya, wujud, dan kemudian setelah saya memainkan Survivor, saya merasa seperti saya menjadi seorang legenda. Dewa-dewa, jadi seperti Anda seperti Trinity dan satu, tapi juga tiga, atau bagaimana ini? Tidak ada ruang untuk saya menilai, saya hanya mengatakan diri saya sebagai Riz God, dan saya akan membiarkan penonton dan semua orang lain mengatakan apa yang terjadi terlebih dahulu. Oke. Juga, di atas waktu, di atas waktu, di atas waktu, Anda meminta saya untuk tidak memakai hat di podcast, yang biasanya saya tidak lakukan. Saya adalah orang yang memakai hat. Saya suka hat. Kacang saya tidak berpikir-pikir, dan biasanya saya akan pergi ke tempat tanpa hat, dan kemudian saya akan kembali dan melihat ke arah-erah, dan saya seperti, saya kelihatan seperti itu sepanjang hari, dan tidak ada yang mengatakan apa-apa tentang kacang saya yang aneh atau terlihat lucu atau sesuatu. Jadi sekarang saya hanya memakai hat untuk berhati-hati. Tapi, Rizzo, Anda seperti, kita berdua memakai hat, atau kita berdua tidak memakai hat, dan saya berpikir, kita akan melakukan sesuatu yang istimewa untuk Rizgad di sini, karena dia adalah RIZGOD, dan saya mendapatkan banyak komentar, tidak banyak, tapi klip-klip Tyson lama dari Survivor, di mana saya hanya berdiri tanpa perhatian kepada seseorang, terlihat, dan ada selalu seorang orang di sana yang seperti, saya hanya ingin melihatnya tanpa hatnya sekarang. Mereka menganggap karena saya sangat tanpa perhatian sebagai orang muda yang kecil, bahwa saya kecil sekarang, atau seperti saya tidak mengerti apa yang berkaitan dengan melihat saya tanpa perhatian. Jadi, saya akan memberitahu Anda perkaitan yang penting bagi saya, Tyson. Jadi, dengan sangat berpikir-pikir yang saya katakan di show, Survivor: Token Chains adalah musim pertama Survivor yang pernah saya tonton, dan memainkan Survivor 50 bersama Coach seperti saya memperoleh salah satu batu afiniti, betul? Oke. Jadi, sekarang saya di sini di Pot of Spoken, mengumpulkan batu afiniti kedua saya, yaitu Tyson Apostle, dan saya seperti, ah, apakah saya ingin berbicara dengan Tyson yang lebih tua yang memakai perhatian di podcastnya, atau apakah saya ingin melihat Token Chains Tyson yang merindukan Sierra yang kecil tanpa perhatiannya, dan saya berasa seperti saya ingin yang terakhir, jadi itulah mengapa saya meminta perhatian dari Anda hari ini. Dan saya bangga untuk mengetahui bahwa Anda memenuhi permintaan saya. Oke. Baiklah, itu saja. Saya. Saya juga seorang orang yang memakai perhatian pada saat itu, tetapi saya tidak berpikir mereka membiarkankan saya memakai perhatian di show karena saya terlihat sangat bagus tanpa perhatian. Tetapi, ya, Ashley, ini adalah persetujuan atau. Ya. Ya. Jadi saya. Cerita yang menarik. Saya ingin mengatakan, saya juga ingin memakai perhatian di pulau. Saya hanya tidak tahu, saya tidak berpikir mereka membenarkan itu lagi kecuali seperti Anda sangat, sangat, kompleks Anda seperti sangat, sangat kecil dan Anda mendapatkan sebuah nota dokter, jadi. Atau Bos dan Rob. Atau, ya, atau Bos dan Rob. Jadi, saya pikir Riz God dengan perhatian belakang itu adalah aura, bagaimana anak-anak mengatakannya, tetapi. Ya. Mungkin, mungkin 3.0. Saya tidak berpikir begitu. Ya, saya juga. Saya pikir setelah Anda telah hilang perhatian, mereka akan berkata, Anda tidak ada perhatian selama-lamanya dalam perjalanan Anda, perjalanan penyelamat. Karena saya telah mencoba setiap musim. Saya seperti, "Bolehkah saya memakai perhatian pada musim ini?" Mereka seperti, "Tidak, orang tidak akan tahu siapa Anda adalah dengan perhatian Anda ketika Anda melakukan konfesional." Saya seperti, "Saya pikir mereka akan melakukannya." Tetapi. Jadi seperti, bahkan di. "Winners at War" di penjuru, saya seperti, "Bolehkah saya memakai perhatian di penjuru?" Dan mereka seperti, "Bolehkah saya memakai perhatian di penjuru?" Jadi hanya Ben, Cowboy, dan Boston Rob memiliki kesempatan untuk memakai perhatian yang sama di Survivor. Saya seperti, "Tidak seperti sangat sukar untuk menghubungi dan bertanya-tanya." Dan mereka seperti, "Tidak, Anda tidak boleh." Dan saya seperti, "Okey, tidak apa-apa, teman-teman." Jadi saya pikir itu adalah pertempuran yang menarik untuk Anda. Saya memakai hampir setiap perhatian dari sifat saya untuk tidak memakai perhatian yang dalam setiap musim. Ya. Dan Anda tahu, saya akan mengatakan saya akan mengatakan biasanya saya akan sedih bahwa itu bukan halnya. Tetapi untuk mengetahui bahwa Jeff Probst bukan sekali, tetapi dua kali merasakan saya sebagai Riz God di live TV, saya akan mengatakan, meskipun dia menggabungkan apa yang terjadi pada saya pada Season 50, saya akan mengambil penghormatan untuk dipanggil Riz God oleh Jeff dua kali. Kami ada di sana. Ya. Saya pikir saya, segera ketika terjadi pada Season 50, finalnya, saya melihat Rachel, saya seperti, "Kami belum melihat siapa yang memakai perhatian. Adakah kita? Adakah kita melihat itu?" Jadi saya tahu apa yang terjadi. Tetapi, saya yakin kita tidak melihatnya. Tetapi, Jeff bergerak dengan sangat yakin ketika itu, saya seperti, "Mungkin saya hanya berbicara selama 15 saat. Saya tidak tahu apa yang terjadi." Ini sangat lucu karena, jelas, saya tahu apa yang terjadi. Tetapi, saya berada di ruang biru menunggu untuk terjadi. Dan seperti, saya memberikan pembicaraan besar di Confessional dan menangis tentang, Riz God dan kemudian saya mendengar pembicaraan seperti, "Okey, Riz, kamu sudah selesai." Dan saya seperti, "Saya tidak tahu jika saya sudah selesai." - Jika saya belum selesai. - Benar. - Ya. - Tetapi itu hanya untuk mempercayai pembicaraan. Anda seperti, mereka mungkin sedang menghapusnya. Jadi ketika saya berjalan, itu bermain. Dan ketika saya sampai di sana, itu selesai. Seperti, ya. - Dan siapa saya juga untuk mengatakan, seperti, Paramount atau CBS seperti, "Jangan. Anda tidak akan memberitahu saya apa yang harus dilakukan." Jadi, saya seperti, dan jelas itu bukan salah Jeff. Tetapi kemudian, Anda tahu, sebelum saya berbicara dengan Jeff, seperti, saya melihatnya menetapkannya, dan saya seperti, "Okey, saya akan mencoba untuk membuatnya menyadari sesuatu." Saya seperti, "Jeff, apakah saya menang atau kalah, saya senang." Dan dia seperti, "Selamat berjumpa di juri, Riz." Saya seperti, "Ya, ini sangat, sangat aneh." Tetapi secara jujur, melihatnya, saya pikir itu ikonik. Saya sangat senang dengan bagaimana itu berlaku. - Ya. - Karena kebenarannya adalah Jonathan menyelamatkan saya, menjadi sebuah keinginan ingat yang ikonik saya, lebih baik untuk ego saya daripada melihat Amerika, seperti melihat Jonathan menyelamatkan saya dalam sekitar 30 saat. - Baiklah. Ya, jadi itu menyelamatkan Anda sedikit. Jadi mungkin itu disebabkan desain. - Ya. Itu benar. Jeff tahu ego saya terlalu besar untuk hilang api dua kali. - Ya. Terlalu berat. Saya tidak pikir terlalu besar adalah kata-kata. Saya pikir terlalu berat adalah kata-kata. - Baiklah. Mungkin untuk Anda, Tyson. Saya suka mengatakan dengan cara lain. - Baiklah. Hanya ego memasak sepanjang jalan. - Ya. Mari kita masuk ke episode ini, episode yang agak luar biasa. Dan kenapa tidak memulai dengan bagian yang paling luar biasa, permainan Maggie untuk pergi ke Dina ketika dia mendapatkan kesempatan untuk berjalan, dia mendapatkan kesempatan untuk berjalan jauh dari keuntungan. Adakah Anda menyukai permainan ini oleh Maggie? Adakah itu terlalu banyak? Adakah itu terlalu sedikit? Adakah itu dilaporkan? - Adakah itu terlalu lucu? Adakah itu terlalu lucu? Karena itu benar-benar seperti game keuntungan. Siapa yang memikirkan dari semua orang untuk berjalan ke keuntungan ini adalah orang yang sudah mendapatkan kesempatan. - Betul. - Jadi saya pikir untuk kes Maggie, untuk apa yang dia lakukan, saya pikir itu adalah gerakan yang benar di sini. Karena secara akhirnya, dia memilih dengan Lewis dan Kilby kembali ke Kota Toka yang awal. Tentu saja Anda tidak tahu dinamik kota ketika Anda di luar di pulau. Tetapi Anda bisa selalu menganggap dan Anda bisa selalu memainkan senarai seperti, "Oh, orang-orang ini berada di bawah. Orang-orang ini berada di atas." Oleh itu, sangat mudah Anda dapat melihat bahwa Kilby dan Lewis berada di bawah. Jadi saya pikir dari pandangan Maggie, itu adalah hal yang benar untuk memberikan mereka kesempatan karena setidaknya berdasarkan episode ini, itu benar-benar merupakan gerakan Maggie. Saya lebih terkejut dengan Kilby dan Lewis hanya mendengarkan apa yang dilakukan Maggie. Karena saya tidak tahu, sebagian dari saya berpikir seperti, hanya berterimakasih kepada Maggie untuk mendapatkan kesempatan dan kemudian melakukan apa saja yang beruntung kepada Anda kemudian. Tetapi kebetulan mereka mendengarkan Maggie menunjukkan bahwa Maggie memiliki kesempatan. Dan saya pikir apa yang Maggie lakukan untuk menyelamatkan Lewis dan Kilby itu adalah gerakan yang benar untuk Maggie. Baik. Adakah Anda pikir itu adalah gerakan yang benar untuk Kilby? Karena dia adalah orang yang akhirnya. Ya. Kira-kira saya, jika Kilby melihatnya dalam jangka panjang dan berkata, "Adakah kita pergi ke tribal lagi?" "Jika kita pergi ke tribal lagi, apakah itu saya sekarang?" Maka itu benar-benar gerakan yang terbaik. Ya, saya pikir dalam hal keadaan saat ini, jika kita melihatnya dalam jangka pendek, saya pikir Kilby melakukan ini adalah gerakan yang benar. Tetapi jika kita melihatnya dalam hal akhir, jika kita melihatnya dalam hal akhir, jika kita melihatnya dalam hal akhir, get through like one or two tribals but getting to final three at this stage of the game is probably not ideal. But if you're looking at a day-by-day calculation where it's like, all right, I just fractured this group and me and Lewis now have some wiggle room, I think short-term it works out. But long-term, people are going to talk. They're going to be like, whoa, Kilby and Lewis was able to fracture a tight four. They're big threats going into the merge. So I think it might hurt him long-term. But short-term, I think was the right play. I'm not even sure it's a good short-term play though, because now that tribe, they still don't have the numbers, right? Because it took them the two extra votes. It's 3-2 now instead of 4-2. And I mean, if I were in those three, I'd be like, Kilby and Lewis, but especially Kilby are dead to me. And so if they go to tribal again, isn't he just dead if they go to tribal? Well, so the alternative here for Kilby would have been send Lewis home, keep the extra vote. Now you have the extra vote and you have four people there. You pull Eric, so that's two. And now it's a 3-3 maybe the next, time around. Is that? The way I look at it is I agree, Riley. It's kind of like a lose-lose in a sense. But if you look at the glass half full right now, if Kilby gets rid of Lewis, he's a dead man walking next round anyways. Because why are they going to break their four just to save Kilby? I think the play is you cause a fracture within this Sabu tribe. And if you're really, really good with Eric, you have you and Lewis against. Sharonda and Christian and Eric is kind of the middle. And if you're really this bromance with Eric, your best plays maybe convince Eric to flip on a Sharonda or Christian. So I think it is kind of lose-lose, but the best play for Kilby, especially if he's banking on this relationship with Eric, is to make Eric the swing vote. Getting rid of Lewis kind of takes away Eric's power. So that's why I think it's the better play doing it this time than next time. I guess it hinges on that relationship with Eric because I feel like, I don't know, I feel like that might be completely burned now. If I were in this three, I would basically be like, I would propose throwing the next challenge just so that we can get Kilby out. I'd be pissed off at this move. Yeah, okay, good. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought of it because I'm usually team never throw the challenge. But in this case, Tyson knows. Look at him. He's like smiling because he knows I'm team never throw a challenge. But in this case, I'm like, I'm so pissed off. I'm like, we have to get this guy out of here. We can't reward this kind of. I don't know. For some reason, it's so much worse. The going to rocks or forcing the tie or whatever than just a normal flip. I just feel like I'd be really seeing red after this vote. No, I like this. But here's the thing. Like, to add to what Rizzo said, when you create a fracture there, all three of those people are looking at each other and being like, we're all pieces of shit. We weren't willing to go to rocks with our alliance. And now, like, are they. Less trustworthy than. Like, they were willing to flip. I was willing to flip just to save ourselves. So, at what degree is that person truly my alliance when I did the opposite? I went to rocks on Blood Vs. Water, which locked Monica. But it was even odds for you. It wasn't like. It was great odds, like Kilby was. Yeah. But what it did was it locked Monica in because they were working and chipping at her the whole time. And for me to go to rocks with her or for her. Like, she was then, like, endgame no matter what with Tyson. Like, she was not wavering after that because I showed her, like, look, I could send you home, be all the way safe. I can go to rocks. The odds are in my favor, sure, but I'm still taking a risk. And so, I think, like, when you look at people who are like, no, we don't want to go to rocks, you have to factor that into your future dealings with them. Yeah. And Riley, I want to kind of piggyback off what you were saying because this is kind of like deja vu. It's deja vu for me a little bit because episode five of season 50 was the iconic rivalry between Charlie and I. And what doesn't make this show on season 50 is actually Seri, Dee, and I threw that challenge to go after Charlie where it was that double tribal because what you were saying about Eric, Sharonda, and Christian is what essentially I did with Seri, Dee, and Camilla. I thought, wow, I have these people that are willing to vote Charlie out now. I have to get Charlie out. Because if we win immunity, they might just forget about it. And I'm going into the jury or I'm going to the merge with an opposing person that really wants me out. So, if I am Christian, Sharonda, and Eric, and I say, like, hey, you know what? Like, we flipped on Linnea. We're pieces of shit, but let's get back together. Lose this challenge. Let's bond over that. Let's bond on how shitty we are as humans towards someone that we pledged our allegiance to. Right. And also get some of it back, too, and be like, okay, we weren't willing to go to rocks because that's crazy. We were probably going to lose that based on the odds. But now we can, like, get revenge for Linnea and sort of make it right in the end. Right. Yeah. Even though it won't bring her back. No, it won't. Obviously, no. So, if I was them, I would actively throw the next challenge, obviously, depending what twists and all that come about. But I don't know if they will. I think, like Tyson said, now they're all going to be questioning. Like, damn, like, like, Sharana didn't go to rocks for Linnea. Sharana going to go to rocks for me. So, I think a lot of allegiance. I think the game opens up right now. Okay. Interesting. A statement followed by another question here. You said in 50, Seri helped you throw a challenge. Has she been throwing challenges for the last 25 years? Is that she could have won this one, you think? It's perfect. It's the person they never suspect. Right. I think, you know, if we look at the track record. She could have won the one that you guys threw. You're saying that Seri could have had the opportunity to win a challenge. Listen, Seri and I have never won an individual immunity across our seven seasons. Is it because we're bad at challenges? Or is it because we threw all of them? That's what we're saying. Now we don't know. You'll never know. There is definitely strategy to not winning challenges, individual challenges, for sure. But secondly, with this group, and they're coming back, do any of them believe in Lewis's blood ring? Yeah. Yeah, I would say no. I will say though, Lewis Cook, I think, I would not be surprised if Jeff and the producers saw what Lewis pitched and was like, wow, this is like a really good twist. I don't know. Like, I think the ring itself is a good twist. I think it's a good twist. I think it's a might have been dumb, but the premise is actually very, very good. Because obviously now with the permanent uncertainty we saw in 50, we had like a duo's twist. We had like the power broker where like double eliminations are going to happen. And to like say like, hey, I have to give you something where our lives are like tethered together. And if you go home, that makes me go home. I think like that's a pretty good lie. So I think Lewis Cook, I wouldn't be surprised if we see it on like Survivor 57. I thought it was that good, truthfully. Here's my hope is that they buy the ring from Lewis and use it on season 52. Because 52 won't have seen 51 and they get out there and they're like, this is a blood ring. And they're like, wait, what? And then it's a full throwback to this season. And, uh, but yeah, I didn't hate that story and that lie. But then Christian was like, oh, he already told us about this. But also if you're against Lewis, you could also also just claim that Lewis had already talked about this. So speaking of Christian, which nobody has this entire season. Yeah. How do you recover from that Rizzo? Like what if you were like telling everybody you didn't think you'd be shown that much. And then all of a sudden you're like one of the stars of 49, but then reverse that feeling. It's tough. You know, I think for me, and I felt like, I don't know if guilt is the right word, but going into season 49, right. Obviously I didn't say CBS didn't say anything, but if you're a survivor fan, you obviously knew who was on survivor 50 from survivor 49. And knowing that feeling, like for me, selfishly, it's like, great. It's like, well, I'm going to be on the show a lot. Cause like they got to show why I'm coming back. But then you look at my other castmates who aren't on 50, it's like, ah, damn, like this is the Rizzo and Savannah show. So from that lens, it's like, ah, damn, like I kind of empathize for my castmates because you never know, like survivor, you'll never know if you'll ever play again. You have no guarantees. And for, for a good majority of my cast, they probably, that will be the only time they play survivor. So I always felt for them in that aspect. And now the opposite for Christian obviously sucks. I don't know why. I mean, maybe he wasn't an engaging storyteller or he isn't a part of the main narrative. That's usually why people aren't shown is most of the time to be protected, right? Like the producers don't want to always, well, I mean, you know, they're showing Devin be wrong a lot, but like they try to protect people. For the most part. So maybe he's just not being shown because he's being protected. I don't know. I genuinely have no idea. Yeah. I think it's, uh, I think it's a lot of that. I think you have more entertaining storytellers. Um, even on token chains, the Jalapal tribe was like, Joe is going to be the main driver of this story. He's so engaging and funny. And then they were like, oh wait, there's two people that are more absurd than Joe on the other tribe. So we'll just let those guys tell the whole story. which was good for me. i think um so you never know like who's gonna outshine and it's yeah it's it can i think it can be a bit tricky so i'm assuming that christian is uh feeling a certain type of way right now and sympathies out to him and who knows maybe his late bloomery comes on later in the season really hard um we'll go through chronologically now there's a few more things i wanted to touch on at the end of this episode but uh let's let's just get straight to the beginning of the episode wait actually before you go to that tyson i have a question for you so one moment that really stood to me that i like actually laughed out loud is when kilby went to go vote he did like this naruto run if you were if you're playing survivor with someone like kilby and they go into the booth and like naruto run to vote somebody out is that like saying like you know what i want to bring him to the end because who's gonna vote for him or is that like that little weasel is pissing me off his ass is grass like where do you stand on that if it's against me i'm thinking like this is so cocky like it makes me want to target him more but also it's like you have people actively against you it's hard to not just like turn around and flip them off as you're like walking into the like there is like and so i i get it um but i do think that those the celebrations in people's faces when you do have the upper hand a little bit uh for your end game are not are not good this was for the second vote too yeah so he knew he had the upper hand at this point he's like no matter what i do i'm the driver yeah if it was the first vote i guess i'd be sitting there being like uh this screwball but the second vote i think we got a clip of like linea rolling her eyes at that yeah we did we got her rolling her eyes a couple times yeah and then and then after kilby knows he won he's like ball out crying he's like no linea i'm so sorry i did this to you can i hug you yeah fuck off kilby it was pretty good there was a lot of crying this episode and i don't know if all of it was real but top we'll start at the top these backstories so savu comes back they're all sharing backstories you have to share a backstory when everyone else is sharing a backstory what's the back story what's the back story what's the back story what's the back story what's the balance here rizzo because on house of villains when they asked me what i would do with the money and i said put in a fucking sick pool in my backyard with a bunch of stuff for my kids it wasn't it wasn't as powerful as uh playing for two dead brothers yeah you know it honestly it kind of went back for me too because like i was one of the people that had a pretty emotional backstory and wanting to represent my albanian heritage wanted to represent my family my autistic brother so like hearing everybody's stories was like it you know almost made me tear up low-key at like nine in the morning i'm like oh man like this is this is like inspiring and to know people's why i think in the game of survivor especially in the 26-day game you need to find commonalities with people and telling people your why really is a great way to bond with people because tyson i'm gonna be honest i think if i went out there at least on season 50 right because season 49 nobody knew of the riz god and they're like i'm gonna be honest i think if i went out so what are you gonna do with the two million and i'm like i'm this 25 year old kid i want to build a sick ass pool with some water slides i probably don't think it goes over very very well but you know talking about my true eyes would probably garner a little bit respect from the zero respect i had already um so i think it was very touching to hear alexis's story ori story devon story i thought it was very empowering especially after coming from tribal when it's pitch black outside nothing else to do i thought it was very empowering for all of them and i know a lot of people now are like oh survivor got so soft like blah blah blah but ultimately like survivor is a game about social maneuvering and people bonding and then having to backstab people so i think showing the extremes of how people bond and then showing the extremes of how they're willing to backstab people is the purpose of survivor and i think i probably enjoy it now than a lot of the people that played back in the day i also we shared backstories on token chains like and you always i'm wondering what's the balance here between too sad or too hard versus not hard enough because i think there is a balance like if it's like too rough and they're like oh this person needs the win so bad and they will win every jury vote just based off of their backstory they have to go at some point versus not being sad enough and then people being like oh they didn't really open up like the rest of us did or they already have it pretty good like there's this balance there and then you have like the don knee hand thing where she got so vulnerable with people that she then backstabbed that it ended up costing her victory in the end yeah i think a good example is like jenna from this season right like jenna in theory was being a normal person she just wasn't opening up in detail about her life yeah and that put her on the hot seat earlier on on the game i think if you were able to or you're able to explain your story early it doesn't hurt you but if you come out in the final six and you're like you know what i'm actually a father of five you know funny story i would have never done this but part of me in survivor 49 really felt like if i beat savannah and fire and i come out at final tribal council and just flub a story that was not true say like i was a father of five and like how i'm doing this for all this just to like garner respect no one's ever done that from my knowledge and i feel like that would have been really really good but then i would have been a piece of shit if i lost so thank god about a father of five widower single father with a terminal illness yeah the most the most horrific story you can come up with was something that i thought like yo that'd be pretty crazy but i think jeff would have looked at me and discussed and thought i was like russell hance and never asked me back for 50 so you think i don't think so i've always wondered why someone doesn't just completely lie at final tribal council especially about their backstory because you'll never there's no cross-examination you're good yeah people talk about oh i'm a i'm a school teacher hey guys i'm actually a lawyer like what is what if i'm like hey guys i'm actually like a billion well actually i don't want to say that but like you know like i don't know say something different like i'm actually homeless right now you know yeah but you do have to win you're right because you're you're going to be a huge piece of shit after this either way you need to be a piece of shit with a million dollars right exactly i don't think so at that point yeah i mean i think there's a balance there i like obviously telling somebody you have terminal illness uh when you don't is yeah you're gonna looked at get looked at sideways but saying you're a father of five and you're just like scraping by and stuff i think we're all just scraping by it's just i have to ask you obviously you played with someone that was a back-to-back that you had known nothing about and it was russell hance yeah so how did you and you were on the same villains tribe as him so like yeah russell hance like what did he have like a backstory did he like yeah he told a bunch of weird backstories and we pretty much determined they weren't true okay he was like said he was like a super successful oil tycoon guy in texas and then he said that during the uh during the floods in new orleans hurricane katrina yeah hurricane katrina he was like paddling around saving people and people's dogs from rooftops and that his brother was on biggest loser and he had a ton of stories and basically for us we were all just like we're all in agreement nobody likes him right and we were and so then i was like well he's not threatening if nobody likes him then i just have to make sure he likes me the most or feels like i dislike him the least and he'll gravitate towards me so i think it's tricky because you do say okay they're unknown let's just get rid of them because they're unknown but at the same time you get to know them and you feel like one way or the other so it doesn't it can be a disadvantage it can be an advantage but i do think that survivor ultimately uh you know minds can be changed you can win people over you can turn people off and so everyone who goes in really rigid and doesn't have that mindset of like you know you can't do anything you can't do anything like you know getting to know people and then making your decisions based off of that uh will have an uphill battle so did i answer your question yeah you did i know this is another fan question i feel like the fans would want to know did russell come in telling everyone that he won heroes or samoa uh no but he did believe he won right right okay and so i think uh devastation on people's faces there's two people in history that absolutely believed they had won a season and then didn't we have amanda uh from micronesia yeah she absolutely believed she had won and we have russell from samoa who also believed he had won that season um maybe jonathan to a lesser extent last season um i think it was more like really strong hope but i yeah yeah and like maybe maybe there's a chance i know i got some votes did i get enough um but yeah he believed he had won which i think made him extra cocky moving through camp um yeah so probably sweeter to take that second victory away from him because of that so yeah Um, so backstories, we got to there. What about, uh, Maggie's distrust of Kristen in so much that she's unwilling to eat coconut that is prepared by Kristen? Did I read that wrong or did she seem extra, there was something on the tension scale there when Maggie declined the coconut. Yeah. I, I don't know either. You know, I will say I, you know, I'm a super fan of the show, right? But like for Kristen to know all of these things, like she knew what leaves you can put on a bruise to heal yourself, I think would have done me justice. I probably would have needed Kristen on 49 and 50 to teach me how to make fire. Cause she knew all these things and I'm actually thoroughly impressed, but you know, knowing too much in survivors sometimes obviously is a detriment because you see everybody, not, I wouldn't say everybody, but you know, a lot of people are like, Oh my God, she's this encyclopedia. And then you see someone like Maggie, where it's like, I don't want her in the game. I want to, I want to get rid of Kristen. And I feel like that's a good thing. I feel like that's a good thing. I feel like Kristen's already in a precarious spot. So Maggie, I feel like Riley kind of had your sentiment earlier where it's like, I want to lose this challenge and get her out of here for whatever reason. I guess her providing for the tribe is threatening to Maggie. Um, but I feel like you have that every season. People just come up with these ulterior motives just to get somebody out. Like we saw Devin with Jenna, she's not a wedding photographer. So like now Maggie's, you know, she's feeding my tribe and giving them too much knowledge. I want to be that. I don't know. I think Maggie is at risk of also getting voted out of TOCA here. If they go to tribal council, like she's, she's thinking they're TOCA strong and wants to remain TOCA strong. But I think in that situation, when you're the one now driving the votes against Kristen, when you're not even going to tribal council, uh, is putting yourself out there pretty early. Yeah. Also, she just got rid of, uh, the Brody's second vote, his extra vote and gave it to somebody else and then told them immediately about it. So it's just like, people are not going to like Brady's face, but we didn't, uh, hear his reaction to that, but we definitely saw him, uh, facepalming. Is that what the kids call it? Yeah. Yeah. He did not look happy. Yeah. So I think if I can quote Brody, I think Brody's like, she doesn't know when to pee and piss, you know, at the same time, which yeah. Does it, do you understand Maggie here? With like all the decisions in survivor and figuring out which, which way is up? You know, I feel like it depends on the person, right? For me. And I know this was like a critique in the new era for survivor. Like if you're really a super fan of the show, like you look at the game pretty meta in the sense of like, this is what's happening. This is what's happening. My brain through both seasons was always turning and I was trying to figure out every combination and everything possible. So for me, the game wasn't, it wasn't a lot to think about survivor. You make a decision and you live and die by it. Right. And I think Maggie right now isn't realizing that, or how should I put this? Like, I think she made her decision and giving away Brady's vote, but I don't think she realizes that it might have some consequences later. Yeah. I also think going back and forth a little bit can be good if you're weighing pros and cons with somebody, but if you're just like constantly telling someone, you don't know what you should do, that's an alarm. That's a right flag. If I have someone that I'm trying to work with this, like, I don't know what, what should I, I was like, let the group decide, let's chill a little bit. Even if internally you're feeling that you have to maintain some calmness with the people who have trust in you. Yeah. And I think that's what makes a good player that like floats the middle, like Siri, for instance, I'll use Siri as a great example. Siri tells you just enough to make you believe that she's with you. And I think that's what makes a good player that like floats the middle. When she really didn't give you much, right. Siri's not like I'm with you to the end. She's like, no, we're aligned. I agree with your point of view. I think that's something that we can do. You know, Maggie, if you're just saying like, I don't know, like we'll figure it out. It means that you're not trusting me and you'll figure it out with somebody else, you know? So she's got to play a little bit more of a better balance. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, and then we go to Dina before this immunity challenge and, uh, Kilby and Eric, would you fit in? Would you fit in with those conversations? Are you, are you tracking all the things they're talking about? Uh, for me personally? No, I think, you know, I would consider myself nerd E and some nerd adjacent. Yeah. Nerd adjacent. But what they were talking about is a different stratosphere. I felt like Nate, when he was on the original Uli is like cinema fire. Like what are these kids saying? Like I'm very much in the Lewis boat here. Like I don't really get movie references. Like I never seen star Wars, right? Like there's a lot of stuff I'm like Lewis I've never seen or I would understand. Um, like the big comfy couch. I don't know what the fuck that even is. So I, I would probably be, um, is that a thing? What's a big fun, a big comfy couch? It's an old TV show, a old child's TV show about this clown and her giant couch. I used to watch when I was like a baby. I don't really remember what they're teaching you, but yeah. Okay. But I, you know, I had this, this problem too. And I was like, I, I do not understand half the things that these guys are saying, but I think the way to get around it is to always ask them, Hey, tell me about that. Tell me all about that. Get them talking to you. Yeah. I also want to give one more thing about Lewis is that his stomach is worrying me. He has never, he's not a coffee drinker, but he drank coffee with the group. He just stopped puking all over pooping all over everywhere. He's going to be back to it. I'm so he's drinking so much coffee. He's going through all this stress. His stomach's never going to make it the 26 days. There's no way. Yeah. I like Lewis, but he does look clammy out there right now. Poor guy. So are you saying, are you saying he's not the, the, the cooler version of you Tyson? If being clammy is cool, he is. To be honest, looking at the show, I'm like, I feel like Lewis is getting Island hot. Like he's looking better as it progresses. In my opinion, I liked how he kept his buff. I think he's, especially how he was at tribal council. You saw like the, like the roughness of him, the edginess. He was like, it's season 51, pull some fucking rocks losers. Like I like what I'm seeing from Lewis. Yeah. I don't mind. I actually met him in DC last week. Um, I like Lewis and I do agree with you there, but I do think that this illness did also like, he did look frail and clammy in moments. He looked good in moments. I feel like he's recovered. He seems like he's it comes right back um uh we get uh i thought it was weird that kilby is definitely younger than eric am i is that wrong uh kilby's 30 eric's maybe like 33 32 oh okay probably not too different then i just was thinking that eric's 34 eric's 34 okay then they're the same i was thinking because eric is referencing a lot of older bands from like the 90s and stuff and i was wondering if kilby also understood those references um and then the last thing is uh kilby trying to throw lewis under the bus and i quote hot take bagpipes suck is that a shot fired at ireland uh scotland does i ireland celebrate the bagpipes like scotland does i don't uh no not really okay it's more of a scottish thing yeah scottish so did he miss it or he was just uh out of nowhere saying that bagpipes suck probably both i'm thinking both i wonder if lewis was like didn't take any offense and it was like stupid america or stupid canadians don't know like anything about you know yeah so yeah he could have been like that's actually scotland sir yeah uh and what's the bagpipe equivalent in canada maple syrup i guess i don't know yeah i was gonna say maple syrup does not suck i'll take maple syrup over bagpipes yeah but you could always be like vermont maple syrup's the only way to go right you could you could you could come up with something riley um yeah the immunity challenge anything stand out here i mean good challenge fun water stuff i think i want to think i want to get brody yeah go ahead actually quote brody there's macaroons in there brody that's what he said and i just really like that as a reason to do a challenge there's macaroons in there brody like that okay i was gonna there's macaroons in there brody i just kind of like impersonating it's just he's like always like cracked out it's actually hilarious um but what about the more subtle uh eric are those croissants like he tried to get get the accent in there and everything yeah so yeah speaking i guess before i know i'll talk about the immunity challenge first but um eric also had this confessional i guess i'm with the irish accent yeah yeah he was like talking in like puppets or whatnot and it was like lewis the puppet down in the pit and everyone else up looking down at him yeah i poor poor poor lewis the puppet man had no shot yeah but the the irish accent was okay it was pretty good um there was a lot of like symbolism between countries because when eric voted out lewis he was like in italy we say arriva dirce i'm like damn there's a lot of a lot of beef that we're not seeing here, you know, so yeah, so some nationalists, is it maybe not i don't know you're prideful in their nation yeah some patriotism patriotism there you go yeah or uh yeah patriotism to your roots i guess because eric's probably italian it seems it um if you think i think i think so i also looked at this challenge and was like a lot of people are sometimes a lot of people and then sometimes they don't go together a lot of t a lot of people talk about not having enough water challenges and i was looking at this challenge and thinking how hard it is to probably set up a water challenge you have to have everything tethered to the bottom anchored down the water levels probably have to be a certain way which you're watching the surf and things like that and uh this whole setup was built entirely on the water yeah and thinking about the challenge i want to give a big shout out to mike penske your favorite tyson the baseball executive because he wasn't playing baseball he's playing a different sport and he was looking like steph curry out there sinking i don't know what he shot but from the edit it looked like he only missed like once or twice so it was pure domination and he let out like a pretty big scream like it was like i don't know if it was just me but like it was it lasted a while it was like ah and then like i thought he kind of over celebrated yeah then he breathed in and he's ah so like back to it and then maggie tackled him full she did she did yeah did i mean mike's scream definitely an over celebration you do feel good being the star or being the closer of a challenge but also if there's a part of him that feels like he was at risk capacity he's extra celebrating like for sure like when you feel that everybody's against you and you end up winning the challenge and it's you personally that wins it to avoid tribal council that calls for a little celebration yeah for sure and i think mike mike's you know a very strategic guy he works for the biggest organizations in sports right so like i think him knowing what his tri breakdown is he really only has brady so he probably felt on the hot seat because carter tanon maggie all voted against him and then you know kristen's kind of like you don't know where she is so he probably felt like you said tyson like i needed this for safety and i clutched up um yeah i feel like that's that's it and uh also you're new you're you're a new york yankees guy too right i i am big so who's your football team team i'm a new york giants fan a giants fan okay i am not the jets not the jets thank god a little less misery in my life because i saw that a bunch of survivor winners were at the jets new england game yeah and i thought i thought of you because like if rizzo's a jets fan what perfect opportunity to have him also there to just wallow in the loss of the jets yeah thank thank god i you know i i can't take as much misery as i've already taken i mean the yankees haven't won in 17 years i lost fire twice imagine the misery that nick's finally won for the first time in my life congrats thank you thank you thank you yeah okay um so immunity challenge and we get uh toka winning which means savu and dina headed to tribal council and let's go to savu first it's between alexis or devon and jelly has to decide between voting a black person out from the heli alliance or voting another woman out of survivor which now is what six or seven women voted out of survivor in a row yeah it's pretty wild would you vote out an albanian oh that's a good one i think that's a good one i think that's oh that's tough tyson i i think it depends i think if they were how do i if they were like a rob and i know you don't want to mention rob in the podcast but if i had someone that is willing to quit on the show good riddance you know what sayonara see you later okay so if rhode island rob was albania rob and he was trying to get out you would happily vote him out i would happily vote him out but like if they were like someone like a savannah to me where i can trust them with my life in the game i probably would never vote him out but like if they were like someone like a savannah to me where i can trust them with my life in the game i probably would never vote him out and they were albanian and they were albanian yeah yeah i think back to my grandpa who was greek and anybody who was greek in politics in any capacity he was like that's my guy he's greek and it's like okay just because he has a funny last name that's like too long like that's your uh but like you do like you have these uh allegiances and you these cultural similarities and it's so hard i don't know what to say about it i don't know what to say about it i don't know what to say about it i don't know what to say about it it's like an extra layer of this social game you're playing plus knowing people are going to watch this yeah ashley what decision are you making here um so i've been thinking about this a little bit longer than normal and i would i'd vote out alexis uh originally i was like oh that's amazing that they're going the heli alliance is like keeping strong the black people are staying together that's fantastic but like it is hard to decide about that kind of thing you know you want to support your women your fellow women and keep them in the game but then like let's look at alexis she did mention jelly last episode so hopefully i wish they would have showed a little bit more of that process as well it's not just about you know female versus you know one minority versus another minority in terms of her morality compass it's more about who would who would keep jelly on i mean you know what ori would pick jelly hands down devin would pick jelly hands down to stay yeah would alexis no she would pick ori to be to stay so i wish that they would have showed more of that process in her brain because for her game it's probably for the best to get rid of alexis because alexis is a really good game player so she would have if jelly was in the way jelly would have been next immediately so yeah i also think that jelly has the helicopter alliance has other people other tribes and so you can't target a helicopter alliance without the approval of everyone else otherwise now they can't trust you yeah so then it's totally disbanded so you're in charge of blowing that up and to blame and now you have other people from the helicopter alliance not trusting you and maybe even being their target so i do believe that she made the right move for her game um the other thing is it you know the show paints it as we we get jelly deciding but it's not solely her decision right they didn't show a conversation really between her and ori but the two of them definitely decided together which way they were going to do because there was no way they were ever going to let it be a two-two vote and then it becomes rocks between the two of them like that's obviously completely off the table so jelly and ori decided on this together and i will say ultimately i think it's tough because jelly made the right decision because devon has been outwardly like she's my girl no matter what and like you need that person right like it ultimately jelly knows that devon is her plus one but you don't need them to advertise it to everybody that is very true but i think devon i kind of compared devon to joe a little bit but devon is like more of an extrovert joe like if you look at both of the seasons you knew who joe was with it's just devon's kind of like i'm with them and not with you which is not what you want but if you have something like that it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like somebody that you can play around like a devon i think it'll be a little bit more predictable so i think devon is a predictable player in the sense that like everybody will always know they're with jelly um so jelly made the right move keeping devon now ori on the other hand if we're looking at long term i don't know because like now he's giving jelly all the power if they lose tribal again or if they go to tribal again right because devon's always going to pick jelly if ori's going to pick jelly who's jelly going to pick you know what i mean so it leaves him susceptible do you in this modern era of survivor modern era sorry some people uh made fun of the way i said era era do you look long term like that like should ori be saying if we go to tribal council as a three-pack uh is it me next like yeah i think for me i that's the only way you can look at it right i think it's the best way to position yourself to make the next step of the game obviously when you swap your next goal is to make it to merge and then when you make it to merge your next goal is to make it to top seven and then the finale and then top three right so like you got to look at the game as building blocks because for ori to think the helicopter alliance will be the final four well guess what if you go to tribal again that's not going to happen so you have to figure out the best way to position yourself to make the next step of the game but who knows maybe they win the next challenge and this isn't a worry but you have to think worst case scenario every time yeah yeah i agree let's go to tribal council let's go to tribal council let's go to tribal council tribal council here and back to ori he is masking his part in the heli alliance so well is it too good like because alexis is believing fully that ori is with her she has no she we don't see it on camera where she even doubts or considers that he's with the other two in any capacity and that's good for an alliance but is it too good for a tribal council to make the next step of the game is there any part of that alliance is like wow he sold that so hard to alexis when is he going to make that same pitch to me and I will not see it coming. I think, you know, Tyson, I'll speak from my experience from season 49 because I kind of had that with Savannah and Sophie. I just was kind of like blind loyal to them. I was like, listen, like, it will never go wrong. And luckily, it didn't go wrong. Watching back this season and seeing how many times Sophie almost backstabbed Savannah, and I was like, oh, damn, like maybe I was a little too trusting. But I think when it's your first experience playing Survivor, you're so bonded with these people. And because the Heli Alliance was there since day one, and it's been proven to be loyal to each other. I mean, we see Devin and Sharonda get the extra vote. I'm sure Devin told Ori like, hey, this is what happened. So like, they're all locked in. I don't think they're thinking, oh man, like Ori's too good. And I want to give Ori his flowers because Ori, I think in the beginning of the season, we had like a clip where he's like, I don't know what I'm doing here. I'm not really a Survivor fan. And for him to pull this off shows that he's a quick learner and somebody that's pretty good socially. So I want to give Ori his flowers there. But I think if you ask a smart player or a multi-time player what you said, Tyson, they would be asking those questions. Like if I went, played Survivor again or whatever, I would think like, whoa, like Ori's a little too good at this. But for your first experience, I don't know if that's something that these people are thinking. Instead of more like, Ori, good shit. We just got ourselves to the next round. Yeah, you're thinking it as a full positive rather than a threat at all. Yeah, that makes sense. I can agree with that. But Devin's, or Devin, not Devin's, Devin. Are his tears real here at Tribal Council? He's an actor. That's his thing. Is he putting on extra or is that all him? And does he understand what type of man we see him being on Survivor? Because he's claiming he's filled with integrity and loyalty. He hasn't said either of those words that often. But he does seem to hold himself, to this higher standard of honesty while also deceiving a lot of people. It's tough. You know, I think to quote Devin, he calls it weaponized honesty. And I think a good Survivor player does weaponize honesty, right? Because how do you blindside people? You get their trust, make them feel comfortable, and then you stab them in the back. I will lead to believe, as somebody that was an infamous crier on both of his seasons, that there's just something with Survivor where you don't really want to cry and then you start talking, and then you're like, oh shit, now I'm emotional. So I think Devin, what he did was truthful, at least at Tribal Council, right? Maybe back at camp, there's some waterworks going on. But when you talk about people's stories and talk about the depth that these people have, talking about Ori's background, Alexis' background, this is not like light things, right? Alexis is talking about being sober for 10 years and talking about her background. These are heavy things, right? So I think Devin was ultimately just spewing his thoughts and then ultimately, it's like, oh my God, this makes me emotional. Like I said, I was kind of emotional watching it because it got me back into that moment where I'm thinking like pitching myself and talking in fire when I lose in fire, right? I was so happy about the experience and then you talk about your experience and you're like, damn, my experience is over. I'm super, super sad. So I think Devin coming to the realization that someone's story is coming to an end made him emotional. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I agree. I think all the backstories were emotional and then you do also look at, and again, I think, you know, my sad story of not having a super kick-ass pool in my backyard right now. I don't know if Devin would cry over that. Yeah, it's true. Can I be honest, guys? Yeah. I think the tears were fake from Devin. I think they're real. Okay. I think he felt something, but you have to feel something to be an actor. You have to feel something. You have to gather sad stories. You have to gather sad feelings and cry I do think that it, I don't know. I just don't know. After hearing about him crying with Jenna and then being able to veer off and celebrating after Tribal that she was gone in front of everybody. Yeah. That makes me go, I don't know. He did celebrate a lot. He was like on his knees like, hallelujah. It's also so funny because Jenna's like the least threatening person to his game. Right. And if he's like now looking like, oh, I've got over my one adversary in this whole thing. Like that's, that's a crazy perspective. You think Jenna would like slash his tires on his car and like let him stray? Like she's out to get him. And she literally has none of that in her blood whatsoever. Yeah. I, Ashley, I think that there is merit there for sure. Especially when everyone else is getting emotional and you do feel something. You're like, okay, lean into this as hard as I can right now because everyone else is getting emotional and I also need to show emotion in this moment. Otherwise I look like a robot. Versus when nobody's crying and you don't want to cry, you just sing Rage Against the Machine in your head and it goes away. The urge to cry goes away. Is that a personal story that you're telling us right now? Yeah. I would use Rage Against the Machine to not cry. I would use Rage Against the Machine to not cry in moments. Yeah. So yeah, I think, I think the tears were real, but I do also think Ashley, he leaned into it to get it going. We'll, we'll know at some point if we remember to ask him about crying. Next we go to Dina and we pretty much already covered everything on that tribe. Did we miss it? Did we miss anything before we go to their tribal council? I don't think so. Did we talk about the, we talked a little bit about the blood ring at all. Yeah. Would it have worked better if Christian didn't have, would it have worked? Like not worked better. Would it have worked? Would people fully believe it if Christian wasn't there? Because Eric said, I think it's real. Sharonda initially was like, it's not real. And then when Eric was like, I think it's real. She's like, oh, probably is. I have kind of, kind of two, two questions about this, I guess. One is that because Louis doesn't have a piece of parchment that says what the ring does, does that just like deeply, deeply damage whatever story he's telling about it? Like you can't, if you don't have it written down on paper, it's like, come on, what is this trinket? You say it was written down on a board at the journey and you couldn't take it with you by design. Okay. I still feel like that, that feels a little sus, but okay. Sure. Then try and vote me out. I leave because guess what? We'll both be gone. Try it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. But then the, so the other question, so we get him telling this and kind of like, I feel like Sharonda, Sharonda is immediately like, this looks like something you were wearing. And basically I don't trust you anymore. And then Christian's immediately like, oh, he told the story about this ring. So we know it's fake. We kind of immediately get it revealed to us that the Sabu's suss out that this ring is not real. But we also get Eric saying, I'm pretty sure it's real. So my question is. Yes. If the, if Maggie does not arrive with the extra votes that are like the, the life ring for Lewis and Kilby, does the show then play it up? Like Sabu believes that this thing is real and they cut all that stuff where they're doing skepticism about it. Is this something that like the players would have played up as like, yeah, maybe. Cause then it like makes the story and the vote a little more like up in the air. And yeah, like to add some suspense. And then we, we only get their honest, like this thing's totally fake reaction because there later is something else that then makes the vote suspenseful. I will say, I really do like what Lewis did because Survivor really is just, I know we hate saying this, but like Jeff says, it's like a game of, it's like theater, right? It's who can sell the best lie. And I kind of compare this to my game in Survivor 49. You know, watching the show, you know, I listened to you guys and everyone's like, how the hell is Rizzo like doing, but it ultimately comes down to like playing up people's fears. Like you need to realize where people get self-conscious and get anxious. So if you, kind of what Tyson just did with you, Riley, if you say, all right, you want to vote me out, vote me out. I'll play the idol on myself. You want to vote Savannah out? I'll play the idol on Savannah, then you go home. Is that what you want? No. So let's work together and not make that happen. Lewis can kind of pull that off with the blood ring. It's like Lewis probably gave Sharonda this ring because he felt like Sharonda had the most agency. So Lewis can go and say, Sharonda, listen, I have to give this to somebody. You can choose to believe me or not, but I just want to let you know, if I am the easy vote, so be it. We'll enjoy Ponderosa together. And then just kind of leave it at that and let her kind of spiral. Like we saw her do with Eric. If Christian wasn't this alibi, who knows? Maybe we see Sharonda say, you know what? Like, I don't want to take the risk of me going home. Even if it's not real, we still have Kilby who we can easily vote out. So I could see a world where it saves him, but because Maggie comes, you know, we don't really get the focus on the blood ring because they're just like, it doesn't really matter. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that's accurate. I think if there's even a 1% chance in your mind that that blood ring is real, you just target Kilby. Like, okay, we'll just not, like it's perfect. And then go from there. So I think- But then they didn't target Kilby. So I guess there wasn't a 1% chance that it was real. Correct. It's fake. - Yeah. And I think we see that with the Christian of it all. Like if Christian wasn't there, because if I'm Sharonda with this lie, right? If I keep Louis, this blood ring is my idol. So like, what do I have to lose? And if it's nothing, then whatever. We can target Louis for being a liar. So I think it's a win-win for Sharonda, but obviously with Christian being there and saying like, no, it's totally false, they weren't worried about it. Yeah. So we got two benefits from that is we got from the benefits, Savu benefited because Christian heard about the ring in advance and Christian benefited because he finally got some airtime. Airtime, yeah. Sorry, Christian. You're probably, your episode's probably next. Not where you get voted out, but where all of a sudden you are the narrator. Well, Tyson, I gotta bring something up. If I remember, if I remember correctly, you're originally from Utah, right? Correct. He's also from Utah. Well, Christian's also from Utah. You got it, you got it, you got it. Stand by my boy. Is he a winner pick? No, he's not. Oh, damn. I want Utah people to do well, but also I'm happy being Utah's favorite son. Yeah. Todd Herzog's there too in Utah, so if Todd had played more times, it would be a competition for sure. Tribal. We get these guys at Tribal, Dina. Spell Linnea for us. Oh my gosh. This was incredible. This was the best part, is every single person. I love that everyone had to write Linnea's name down like three times each. Unbelievable. And I liked, Lewis actually spelled it differently on each parchment on purpose, which was hilarious. And then I think people, once they saw the votes the first time, got even more creative because I think there was one with three Y's in it. Yes, I think it was Kilby saying Linnea. Linnea. Which doesn't have a Y in it. Usually I write these down in my notes how they spell them on the parchment just because I get a kick out of it. And if I did that all correctly, nobody got her name. Nobody got even close. No one even got Lewis's name. They all spelled Lewis's name wrong too. Yeah, they all spelled that one wrong. I think like one person got his name right, but otherwise it was mostly O-U-I-S. So you don't get, there's a lot of opportunity in Survivor to ask someone how to spell their name. But on the re-vote, Kilby would have, you don't want to ask someone. Kilby would have hit a home run here asking Linnea how to spell her name on the second vote as he's going, Linnea, how do you spell it? Because I want to get it right this time. And then he never runs to the voting booth. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been, that would have been a serious or a gamble that I think would have paid off. I think so too. I think so. And he knew he had the total, the total strong arm. Like there was no way three of those people are going to rocks. No way. There's no way. I agree. If you're kicking them in the dirt already, might as well hit the gut punch. Yeah. Kind of like what Savannah did with Jawan, where she knew Jawan was going home. She's like, Jawan, you did this to me? Knowing that she was going to, yeah, I think Kilby should have done that. Even though I like Linnea, so like for Linnea's ego, I don't want that. But for TV gold, it would have been good. Right. Well, Tyson, I actually want to ask you a question. Yes. So I've never been voted out of Survivor, so I guess I don't know. But if you saw your name on parchment, all spelt incorrectly, like abysmal, are you going to Jeff and saying, Jeff, I'm not voted out. I don't know who the fuck that was on my parchment. I'm not going out to that. Yeah. I think like the problem here, like I do agree. That's great. You lose. Everything goes blurry. You're just like blind rage and all the things you had planned. Like I remember Token Sheens, they were like, what happens if it's you? And I was like fucking kicking over everybody's chair and blowing out all the torches, dumping water on shit. I don't give a fuck. And then you get there and it's like, Tyson, Tyson, you see two votes for you, you know, you're done. Like the first vote, you're like, okay, that's the person we were all targeting. The second vote, you're like, oh, so, you know, and you're just like seething and all the things that you thought or said you were going to do. You like, just like, it's a weird brain fart where literally you can't even think. You can't think of what you should do because you're also like, I want to rage, but also I don't even know how to rage as hard as I want to rage because I've never had to rage that hard. And then you're just like dumbfounded. So, I think it would be funny for sure. But I think in that moment, you're just so shocked. It's like, it's, it's, yeah, it is like real shock. Like when you, something traumatic happens to you and you're like, what happened? They're like, you're just in shock. You don't, like that's, it is truly a form of that. If it's a true blind side, you are in real shock. So, if someone spelled the T-I-E-S-E-N, Tyson. Probably in the moment, I'd be like, that's wrong. I think I would like, I would definitely say something, but it would be right as that vote came out. Like if Linnea had been like, incorrect, wrong, F plus, nope. Like then that's, I think you could do that. I think having the, yeah, I think, but having it be too contrived or too much, I, you're just in so much shock in that moment. Yeah, it's true. It's like, what happened? Where did I go wrong? How did I go wrong? How do I now articulate my feelings without looking too angry, but angry enough? Like there's a lot to it. So, I think it's tricky, but it could have been good if she would have just stayed sitting there and been like, yeah, me? Cause I didn't see my name once. Yeah. Yeah. Linea with a Y. Yeah. What if, here we go. Your vote only counts on Survivor if you spell it correctly. So now you have to ask people how to spell their name. Yeah. That's a big advantage for like the Linneas and a big disadvantage Well, you just get a bunch of wonky, for like the mics. You get a bunch of wonky names out there. Yeah. I don't know. People would do pretty well. People would try to do two Z's and I think I'd do it by a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Ashley, you'd do pretty well. Ashley would do great. All the time. Yeah. Yeah. No one knows how to spell my name. I just live like this. So you do. I feel like it creates a problem. Like it'd be like, hey guys, we're voting Linnea or Mike. Like our votes only count if we spell them correctly. Yeah, but if you're on that season, if you're on that season, you have to assume Mike is not how you normally spell it. So you're like, uh, M-I-C-K-E-M-I- It's not the Y. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. M-Y-K-E. Like you have to assume. Yeah, it's true. You put like one or two regular names on there, but everybody gets them wrong because they're trying. And you could also like lie about how your name is spelled. It's kind of like a lot of fans are like, I want a season where everyone starts off with an idol, but instead this season is like you walk in and you have a parchment saying, the only way a vote counts is if you spell these people's names right. And it's like, like you said, Tyson, some weird ass spelling. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you only get a clue to that earlier. So like not everybody has that information initially. Yeah. So as the tribe goes to tribal council, like it's, you get a clue there. Maybe it's just a twist for one tribal too. Maybe it's not every time. Maybe it's just like for your vote to count, it must be spelled correctly. Listen, we got Jeffrey in the back. He's listening. We're pitching ideas here. Oh, he's listening. Didn't even see him there. Anything else before we get to Riley? Riley's reads. Any, any more thoughts Rizzo on, on the episode that we missed? No, I thought it was a great, great tribal council. Honestly, I would have loved to see rocks, but it makes sense to why Sharonda Christian and Eric didn't do it. I think Lewis and Kilby long, or I guess, well, I guess we'll save it for Riley's reads. I really liked the tribal council justice for Linnea and Alexis. Yeah. Riley, what do we got? Well, one, one thing that maybe Rizzo, maybe you know about this piece, actually Tyson, maybe you know about this piece of survivor lore. When Alexis said that we debated all writing down Jeff's name, do you guys know that that's happened already? Yeah, season one. Yeah, season one. Back in Borneo. Yeah. He just made everybody go revote. Yeah, this is a Jervis story. If we have Jervis on the pod again, we'll have to ask him to tell it. But yeah, Jeff didn't find it as funny, I guess is what I've understood about that. Yeah. Yeah. Not as funny this time. Hot take, I wouldn't want to even vote out Jeff, to be honest. That kind of ruins the fun, right? Like I want to ruin someone's dreams. I don't know, like maybe that's just me, but it's like voting out Jeff for solidarity, like what's going to happen? We're still a one in five shot away from being a billionaire. But what if it's your dream that's going to be extinguished? Would you prolong it by voting Jeff first? I would just play my shot in the dark and pray to the heavens, you know? In a tribe of four, can you play your shot in the dark? Yeah, you have until the final seven to play it. No, I understand that. But with such a small tribe, you giving up your vote could be the determining factor. That's true. Like it gets very difficult to play a shot in the dark on a small tribe. For sure. At that point, I would just flub a fake idol that I don't have. But yeah, I agree. So, okay, Riley, what do we got? All right. Who advanced their game the most this episode? For me, it's very easy. I think Lewis did a great job. I think Lewis obviously got Kilby to make three new enemies. So even if they do lose, I think they're going to, I think they're going to target Kilby over Lewis. And I think Lewis is in a good spot because if they survive next year, tribal or even if they go to tribal i think kilby's on the hot seat and even if he survives i think he's going to reunite with maggie and say maggie like i did what you wanted with your extra votes are we still good and then he'll be in whatever group maggie's and so i think lewis advanced himself the most um yeah like that i he definitely got lucky with maggie showing up but he also because everyone on that tribe was targeting him he can go back to those people and be like we weren't aligned last time let's align this time kilby doesn't have that because he already betrayed him so yeah lewis is not counted as a betrayal which i think a lot of times when you look at survivor like that happens constantly like if you're not the source of betrayal you can always come back together with that group um so i like that i was gonna say alexis as i was watching alexis navigate before she got voted out i was like she did it she might have done enough work to actually convince jelly to vote devon out so i had noted alexis at that point um but now you know i i i'm also i'm i'm gonna say lewis as well i mean jelly stayed the course by keeping devon and not creating uh enemies or having the helicopter alliance implode when it looked like she was kind of questioning it but i think lewis did the most i think he thought outside the box used what he had and also got lucky yeah ashley ashley i'm gonna say lewis as well and i also for all those points but i also want to give him one cool point for how he was during the entire tribal it definitely gave me tyson vibes the way he was sitting there just like laughing at the fact that kilby was destroying all of his alliances with everybody and he's just going yeah do the rocks do the rocks if you want to i don't know what do you want to get i think that was so fun um i think it's this is my favorite lewis episode for sure right now and i do want to comment on that because i i have pretty good memory but i don't remember a time where we were deadlocked where the person that was had the votes against them being so out of control and they were like oh my god i don't know what to do with this being so outwardly like no no like go to rocks go to rocks right like i don't i don't remember blood versus water and millennials versus gen x or other times where like you know who who did you cast the votes for on blood oh hayden right like i guess hayden did it but i don't remember another time where someone who was vulnerable like lewis saying like no like you need to pull a rock you know so i really enjoyed that aggressive style of gameplay i also do want to give a shout out to maggie because obviously maggie was the one that really put this plan in motion and ultimately i think the person she wanted out and being linea did go home well let's talk about maggie there uh because we did not really discuss her volunteering to go in the first place yeah good move bad move i think depends on how she handles the aftermath obviously we saw her come back to camp and was like outwardly like i just gave them both my extra votes and told them to target linea so like i don't know if that is the right move but i think volunteering is the right move but i think volunteering yourself now i mean after seeing 49 and 50 and seeing that people don't really lose their votes and journeys as much as probably what you want to do i think mike and kristin both realized like hey i'm on the bottom let me go shake up the game and maggie obviously probably not aligned with either of them through a wrench in the plan i'm curious to see if carter manipulated the draw to have maggie go or if maggie just got lucky by the survivor gods but i think overall for maggie it's probably the right play to go in the first place and i think it's probably the right play because she's maybe trying to gain some agency and now look like lewis and kilby are indebted to her so she at least gets two great allies there the thing that i don't understand about maggie's play is that she burns i guess she had to give one of the votes away the other one she could have saved on and she's so adamant she's like it has to be linea going because i got a bad vibe from her from day one like that's it that's the only reasoning for her targeting linea and i think that's the only reason for her to go in the first place because she's and i don't know i just don't i don't love that it's not like it's oh this is somebody who who is on my tribe who i can't work with who i have you know who we've been at odds with i'll get away i'll get somebody out who you know was never going to be an ally to me it's like how do you know you wouldn't have worked with linea why is that so it's that bad after like the two hours you spent on the beach on the first day that's crazy she doesn't know how to spell linea and she didn't want to yeah you know a funny story actually you say that not that i ever in season 50 i was like really closely aligned with genevieve we just didn't get to see it much because she went home in the blood moon but like i would make jokes in my confessional where i wanted to go to the end with genevieve because like honestly like i don't really know how to spell genevieve how many e's how many i's are in there so yeah i don't want to do that so might as well work with her so oh if you saw my notes if you saw my notes from the last uh how long have you been doing this now 11 seasons yeah this is our this is our 10th no this is our 11th season yeah 11th season that we've covered the show here the pot has spoken and if you look through my notes at all the ways i've spelled everybody's name it's just like i try the first time but then i just like in the moment while i'm typing it's not i don't care about as long as it phonetically it's correct to me when i look at the notes then we count it so i was like to one lucky bidder out there you can have all of my notes from every episode of the pot has spoken that i've ever created maybe we'll put them all into a book um but i like it when we get down to the the like when there's only a few people left if each person has a different their name starts in a different letter then i just start putting them in as like l you know and yeah as i'm taking notes and then that one season uh was it 49 that had like eight people whose names started with s it was like the two sophies and the what yeah yeah yeah didn't work that season killed me that killed killed my note-taking if casting is listening different first letters come on guys um what else what else do we have uh right you didn't tell us did you tell us who advanced their game the most oh i think it's lewis for sure and then i'll also shout out mike for winning that challenge when he was clearly on the bottom of his tribe and yeah i'm gonna go home unbeknownst or maybe be known but to us we didn't know that he was if he didn't know he was going home and he still reacted with like the six consecutive yes yells at full volume then that's all that's a lot but um at any rate uh one way or the other he saved himself shout out mike curry that's it yankees yankees through and through yeah uh who damaged their game the most uh i mean i think the answer is pretty obvious i think it's obviously killby and listen i i gotta give killby props i think my sentiment i felt like made it onto the show a little bit where jeff was like you don't play for second place you don't play for fourth place i was notorious for saying that and i think lewis and kill me and all of them felt that sentiment they're like hey like whether i'm 15th or second i'm here to win but unfortunately when you have that mindset sometimes you can make ill-advised decisions and this might be one of those ill-advised decisions where kill me is like maybe wants to make a tv moment instead of thinking like hey i don't want to burn these people so he was just you know standing on business like he said where he's like i don't care you're picking a rock with me i'm not folded and now he's got more people upset at him than he already had previously so i definitely think he'll be hurt his game but it made good tv so yeah so i'm not disagreeing with you but i'm saying if the savu group is that tight and killby was willing to go against them and then they come merge and it's known to everyone how tight savu is aren't they going to be the first targets it's possible now let me ask you this because i feel like there might have been an opportunity that killby and lewis flubbed i think if they had all this power why not before tribal go to eric show the extra votes yeah go to eric and say buddy you're gonna be drawn rocks this is us building trust with you if you want to bring sharonda to flip that's not going to happen that's fine bring your plus one let's be this new majority four i think that is the play they should have done because if you show them the votes like you said tyson you you won right what are they going to do you know what i mean you show them the votes and then you keep the votes for later you don't even have to play them at that point exactly i agree i think there was an opportunity that killby could have really helped his game um lewis was on the hot seat so lewis just did whatever helped him but if i was killed i would have said hey we're winning tonight let's go big feet like theater whatever like come with us yeah it doesn't need to be a war right now we can come together and this is the new group um absolutely eric 100 is falling for that like how could you not you have to like i'm not i'm going to be the one drawing rocks no um and then at that point you get whoever you want you literally could have it could have been a unanimous vote right there right if they would have just wielded those votes like they could have just wielded those votes like they could have just wielded those votes right if they would have just wielded those votes right if they would have just wielded those votes right if they would have sat down the whole tribe and said yeah i agree we have two extra votes you guys decide which of you four is going home and then come to us and let us know. Because at least you'll get a little bit of favor this way instead of them being blindsided. Now they're like chickens with their head cut off trying to figure out who to go. And they're going to be upset at each other because they're like, wow, Christian's going to throw me under the bus? What the fuck? Yeah, yeah. That would have been amazing. What could have been? For me, who furthered their game the most, or what are we on right now? Who flubbed their game the most? Yeah, Kilby maybe, but I don't know. I think still people aren't threatened by Kilby. I also think that there is some merit to going against the tightest, obvious bond. Because when the merge happens, those tightest bonds, the biggest group with the tightest bond is going to be the target of everyone else. Like you got to break that group up if you can. So I think it will not backfire on Kilby fully, unless they go to tribal council again, as this small group. And who else? I think Devin is also not doing his game any favors by telling everyone that he's not going to ever betray Jelly. That's his number one, no matter what. I think that's a dangerous game to play. So it's dangerous for both of them too, to be honest. It could go either way. But yeah. Just to have someone else out there, I'm going to say Devin was a little loosey-goosey with his alliance. And what's interesting is I'm pretty sure, but Jelly still hasn't told Devin about her idol. So whenever that comes about, if she decides not to tell him, I wonder how Devin's going to feel that Jelly had this idol. Devin's willing to risk his life for her, but she wasn't willing to tell him his secrets. I wonder if that changes anything in the future. Yeah. I mean, whenever you have to, you tell Devin, you just say you just barely found it. Yeah. So, Ashley, who you got? I'm going to say Maggie. I think it wasn't the right decision to give her second extra vote to Kilby and Louis, especially since they didn't, like you said, they should have told everybody. They could have told Eric about it. They brought him in. I think by them not doing that, it's created, if they mention Maggie's name, it's going to create more, people against Maggie. Like Maggie did all that. She gave you an extra vote as well. What the fuck, right? So now more people are going to look at Maggie's halfway, like to the side, side, side eye her. And then on her own tribe, you have like Brady and a few other people who are mad at her already for giving away her, her extra vote that Brady thought that it belonged to him. And instead of keeping it for some big vote that she wants to go against Brady in the future, now it's gone. So she doesn't have anything above Brady. And it's, so that's two big alliances that are kind of like side-eyeing Maggie for her decision since it was, it was such a short-term satisfaction getting rid of Linnea. She should have just waited a little longer, I think, with that extra vote. Yeah, I, the blowback that we're envisioning Kilby is going to receive could all come back on Maggie, to be honest. Like that Savu group could be like, this is Maggie's fault to begin with. And it's also like, there's also an element too where this is like, this is such an aggressive move that she shares with people too. And it's like based on a snap judgment, right? She's like, oh, you know, I spent like just that first impression with Linnea. She's got to go. And I'm going to pull every stop for the craziest tribal ever to get her to go. I'd be sitting there thinking, could I be on the receiving end of that eventually? Like, is Maggie one day going to be like, Riley's dead and just goes all out to get me? Like, she's just, I don't know. I feel like she's painted herself as a bit unreliable here too. Well, and you have to keep her away from, now you have to keep her away from Lewis and Kilby as well. You're like, they're indebted to her. If they all come back together, that's a three pack we have to separate. And you know what I thought about now that it didn't come into my mind, but Kilby actually told the tribe anyways that he got an extra vote from Maggie. So I don't know why he just didn't say, and Lewis got another one as well, because if you're going to say half the truth, you might as well go all in. So that's why I feel like Kilby could have definitely improved his game a little bit. That's why I have him for most loved. Yeah. I think they enjoyed the theatrics of it. For sure. And I think Lewis maybe in his mind knew that it probably would be more powerful to tell people, but I think the Lewis of it all is like, let's just make it crazy. When I met him in DC, he was like, something you always said on the podcast, Tyson, stuck with me, is like, you don't have full control of whether or not you're going to win the game. Like things happen, you don't know, but you do, you have control of being a character on the show. And he's like, so I made sure to be a character on the show and hopefully things work out. So yeah, that's advice for people. Like you can control one a little bit more than you can control the other. And I do want to piggyback off that because I'd like to think I was a character on the show too. I know some people, at least, I don't know, I've talked to old schoolers, new schoolers, new era people, and some people are like, back in my day, like we didn't try to, we didn't want to be characters. We just were characters. And to me, I just, I'm not going to throw nobody out there, but I feel like you might know who that is. I won't throw shots because I don't want this person's wrath, but if they know, they know. But ultimately, I feel like that's horseshit because no shade, but the people that used to play back in the day were like people that should have been actors, but didn't become actors and then went on reality TV. And now people want to be influencers, can't be influencers, they get on reality TV. So ultimately, the people that get on these shows are people with big personalities. So when you get on these shows, just showcase that, you know what I mean? So I agree with you, Tyson. I tell people all the time, like when they are trying out for the show, I'm like, American Idol is to singing as Survivor is to personality. For sure, I agree. That's literally all they're looking for is this big personality. Now they're looking for a compelling story and a person who's compelling on TV. But yeah, it's a personality contest. I actually had Sierra Reid accuse Survivor of being a personality contest. I think on the season, I was like, yeah, that's exactly what we're doing here. Like at the end, you vote for the greatest personality. Like that's, it is a personality contest. Where are we at, Riley? I think we were still talking about who damaged their game the most, but I also have Kilby. So let's do winner picks. Rizzo, do you have a winner? Do you have a winner pick? Did you have one from the get-go? Is it already gone? Are they still here? So I had one from the get-go. Unlike you, Tyson, I have my state pride. And before the season started, I saw a New York Yankees guy on the season. I very much so put all my eggs in Mike Pinsky's basket. I am team Pinsky for the Winsky. And listen, I must admit, it's really rocky road right now. Really, really rough. Being called a bottom feeder, whatever he's getting called, is not a good look. It's bogus. They called him bogus. Yeah, bogus. But there's always a good, or like, what a better comeback story than coming back from on the bottom. I got my hopes that Mike Pinsky is bringing the win. If the Yankees can't do it, Mike Pinsky can. And if not, then it is what it is. I'm not one that changes my winner pick every week. So I'm riding with my guy, Mike Pinsky. Okay. So you'd never vote out a Yankees fan? Oh, no, that's, no. I would vote out my own mother if I had. But I'm hoping for him to win. Is Mike getting you free Yankees tickets? Is he putting your feet in the dirt there behind the dugout or behind the backstop? I wish. I wish. I haven't gotten anything. But if Mike wins, then that might be my gift for supporting him. So I will say this, though. My winner pick and who I think is playing the best are two different things. But because I stand on business, Mike Pinsky is my winner pick. Okay, who's your true winner pick? Who's playing the best, yeah. Yeah. Who I think is playing the best? Who's lined up the best currently? Yeah. I would say, honestly, probably Sharonda. I just think with the Helicopter Alliance and her not being in anybody's targets and like, I guess not this Tribal Council, but the one time we saw her run a Tribal Council when Anna went home, I felt like we saw her perspective and everything. So as of this moment, I think Sharonda's probably playing. I think Jelly's playing really good, too, honestly. But I think she's had the luxury of having Devin with her now, but I think in terms of, like, fluidity, I think Sharonda's doing a good job. Yeah, I think Jelly's exposed a bit here with Devin claiming her as his ride or die and having to go to war and having this battle. It's always exposing. Anytime you have to go to a Tribal Council with a small group and you're having to draw lines and having to kind of fight for your life, too. Yeah, okay. Okay, so Mike, because he's. He's a Yankees guy. I still am with Kristen. She's got this war brewing with Maggie, maybe. But can Maggie garner enough of a following to make that stick? I kind of don't think so. I think Brady Brody is not with her, with Maggie. So, yeah, I'm staying with Kristen. She definitely has some work to do, but she hasn't really made, mistakes like we haven't watched her make a ton of mistakes other than she knows everything about living in Fiji for some curious reason. So yeah, that's it. And I, Brazil, I studied like everything. I figured out where we were going because at the time Rizzo, you didn't know where you were going to end up in the world. And they make you fill out applications for multiple countries visas. That's crazy. And so like there were four different visas I filled out. Um, and then a little blurb, a news blurb came on about, uh, someone from survivor production dying. Oh, wow. Oh no, it came out on the season before, like in memory of you Googled that guy and it said he died in Brazil on a scouting mission for the next season of survivor. So we figured out it was definitely Brazil. So I did a bunch of studying, but then they give you that survival guide that they put, they give you a, printed out survival guide to study before the game starts. And then they put it in the medical box, which you always have access to after the game. So you always can go and reference. It probably doesn't have as in-depth of knowledge as what Kristen has studied for the last 25 years, but there's a lot there. Um, so yeah, Kristen still my girl. Uh, she's in a fine position. She hasn't done anything to really hurt herself. Um, so we'll see when we get back. And then she goes to tribal council, how it shakes out. Ashley? Sharonda. She's been my pick for a couple of weeks now. She's been doing great. Um, even though this tribal council was a little bit of a, you know, off track for her, she still kept a clear head and I think she came back unscathed. So Sharonda, let's go girl. Okay. Riley? I mean, you know, I've had Sharonda since preseason and I'm not budging. Yeah. She had two really good reads this episode. One was the, the blood ring that we talked about, where she kind of immediately is like, you know, I don't think this is real. I like how she told Lewis, like, I trust you less now. Yeah. That was good. Yeah. I thought that was really good. Uh, and then she was also the first one that figured out, like as the votes are coming out and there were too many of them, Linnea was like, what is going on? Sharonda was the one who first put together, they had two extra votes. So yeah. Super, super sharp player. Um, obviously this one doesn't go her way, but long-term, I actually don't think her game has hurt that much long-term. I think she'll be okay. I also like a lot of it. I look at personality here, how they're moving through these adversities and she's always solid, but also stern. Like she's one of those people where it's like, if I go against Sharonda, it's like, kind of like going against Sari, where like, you have to make it stick. Otherwise they're going to have the power to get everyone to go at you next. And so I think that like, that also plays in your mind. Like there's just some people who have this commanding presence where you're like, when I go for them, if it doesn't work out, then I'm a goner. Tyson, do you think I have that commanding presence? No, but you have something different because you're not scary. You're not like Kristen has that too, this season. And you have a youthful optimism and playfulness that would not command that for a long time, I don't think. So you think I'd have to wait till I was like 40 to get that? Because I don't see myself, like if Survivor 60 happens and if I have the honor to play it, what is that? In five years? What, I'm 30? Yeah. I don't think I'd be any different than I am now. No, you're still young and playful. Yeah, you're still young and playful. I'd be Survivor 80. I'm Survivor 80. Geriatrics versus Gen Z. Yeah. Tyson, we're on, buddy. Okay. You're helping me lose in fire again. Sure, I'll do that. Yeah, I think that's just like, everybody comes with something different and you play into your strengths and you like minimize your weaknesses. And for her, her strength is that and whether or not- she's recognizing that and playing into it. She is playing into it. I don't know if she recognizes that she is, but like you have something different. I think the thing that you have, Rizzo, if you're needing a compliment here. Thank you. Is that you're young and you go out with these people that a lot of them are older than you. And a lot of these older people are rolling their eyes at you. But at a certain point, they're like, you know what? He's okay. He's pretty good. Like I can get along with him. He's funny. He's just having fun. He's not- He's not threatening. And he's also a super fan. He respects being out here and having a great time. I think there's something to that where I think it on TV, I think a lot more people probably are annoyed with you from your time on TV than are in your personal life. For sure. And I think that that is a good quality to have, especially as a returning player is going out and everybody be like, I don't know how I'm going to feel. Yeah. I don't know how I'm going to feel about Rizzo. And then being like, I'm like Rizzo's dad. Like that's because of that. And I think that you'll have that for a long time. I think to kind of compare myself to Devin a little bit, I think the best returning players are people that are super polarizing. People that like really love one person, really hate that person. I think Devin is probably that person for 51. I feel like I was that for 49. I feel like you were that for Token Sheen's Tyson. I can't, you know, I was an eight-year-old child. So I was like, I don't know. I wasn't in the chat forums or whatnot, but I feel like you and coach were definitely very polarizing at one point. I think that's what makes a good survivor contestant personally. So I think it's what makes it, I think it gives you an advantage as a returning player. So you're polarizing. They love that. But you come back and people that only saw you on TV are like, he's not, I don't hate him as much as I thought I did on TV. Like maybe I should apologize to this guy. And Tina apologized to me on blood versus water with tears in her eyes. Uh, before we voted out her daughter that she had to, uh, she wanted to apologize for having a perception of me that wasn't accurate. Um, and I think that, yeah, that's, I think that's also your power. So I'm good with the moms. I love Tina. She was super nice to me at the 50 finale. So Tina is very nice. Yeah. I'm good with the moms too, in general. Um, so yeah. So maybe you're the younger, cooler. Tyson. Sorry, Lewis. Okay. Riley, where are we at? All right. Last thing we got to do is pick, uh, who's going home next week. Oh God. Um, is it not a merge next week? It's the sixth episode. Historically in the last five years, every sixth episode has been the merge. Uh, frequently was yes. 49. I don't remember. I think almost every season through the new era, it has been episode 49 was not Shannon went home in episode six, but 50, it was. So I don't know. I, from the preview of next week, it didn't look like it was a merge. Usually they say, Oh my God, that didn't happen this time. Or a thing shows up and everybody celebrates. You're like, Oh, it's probably the merge. Yeah. Yeah. And then as the week progresses and you get a bunch of press with people being like, Hey, they're all wearing, uh, pink buffs in all the shots. Like you get like, uh, something. But right now it doesn't seem like it's the merge. So how are we playing this then? Riley, someone from every tribe still. Or you can just pick one. I think I'll give you, I'll give you my theory. Who's the losing tribe. And yeah. What's your theory? Well, I think that they're going to throw it and get Kilby out. That's. That's what I'm kind of hoping to see. Cause I think it'd be the most traumatic. And, uh, you know, we talked about it at the top of the pod. That's where my head would be at if I was one of those three. Okay. This is tough. I don't, cause I don't know who would lose. I will say a hot take here. Cause this isn't been the theme of season 51. I'm going to guess a man gets voted out next week. So that changes it up a little bit. There's only three more women to choose from. Yeah, you're right. Um, God, I'm going to go with man. Um, I'm going to go with someone that we haven't mentioned this episode. Cause we didn't really see in this episode. I'm going to just say Carter goes home. That's, that's going to be my pick. I don't know how it happens, but I want to be different. I'm going to go with Carter. And the reason why is this is a good segue that I wanted to ask you, Tyson. A lot of people preseason is like, Oh, Carter's the next JT as a JT. You know, fan boy. I've never met JT. I'm hoping I can collect my last infinity stone from Toki Cheese. Cause he's my goat. Do you see any similarities between Carter and JT? I think the one thing between, uh, JT and Carter is that JT kept his mouth shut. He did not divulge information. He did not overshare. I think Carter doesn't have that. I think JT knew the game better than Carter does here. I think JT was a fan. I don't know if Carter has been a lifelong fan of Survivor or really studied the game, whereas I believe that JT had. So, no. Between JT, token chains, and Carter now, absolutely gameplay-wise, no. Yeah, for sure. Personality-wise, yeah. But maybe JT on any of his future seasons. Okay. Maybe he'll be there in Survivor Geriatrics and Gen Z with me and you. Yeah. Us three? Yeah, I would love that. I don't know, Rizzo. I recently played a little game in DC, a little Survivor themed game, and I realized it a little bit on House of Villains last year. I don't have the motivation to really try to win anymore. You don't want a really nice pool? Yeah, what happened? What happened? We can get you that really nice pool. I'm going to get one without having to win another TV show. Well, let me quote you this, Tyson, because as a true pod-spoken fan, if I recall, during a podcast during Season 50, you did say, that your life motivation is if you ever got asked to be on Survivor was to play with me and help me get to fire and lose. So if you need a motivation, there you have it. And I will do that. I played this game, first of all, because of my long-standing reputation in reality TV, a lot of people in my tribe were just like, we're voting you out next because you're with Big D and that's just what we're doing. I had the luxury of everybody telling me they were just voting me, and I also just gave it a shrug. Like, okay, whatever. And I think that I would be more nonchalant, so I'd need. I would help you get to fire, but I'm going to put most of it on you, because I just. Whatever it is, like, the change of life, I've already done it. I'm where I am now, and I don't have that drive to really. hurt someone to take something out, unless I hated them. If you put me on with all of my rivals, if you put a season of it's me, it's Ben, it's Sarah, it's Sierra Reed, it's, like, just everyone that I just, like, totally clashed with. Now, I don't care what the prize is. I am out for destruction. I'm going to make it happen. I'm going to pitch it to Jeffrey. We've got to make it happen. Tyson versus everyone? Yep. And Riz God is his sidekick. And Rizzo is the only guy I have out there that I like. Okay. Maybe that's a theme that I can get behind. And a 10 million prize pot. We've got to hope this coin flip misses like six seasons in a row. Oh my god, dude. Can you imagine? Yeah. That would actually feel good. Then, do you know the amount of pool I would have? I would have multiple pools. One in my front yard, one in my backyard. I might actually get a house with a pool, too. To do it. That's what I'm hoping for. I mean, obviously, I can't assume I'll ever play again, but I'm hoping that it just misses. And then one day, Jeff's like, you know what, Rizzo? I fucked you over in the final four, five, or 50. You deserve a spot back. What I think my prediction, Rizzo, is if the flip misses a couple times, they'll do a returning season. Yeah, I agree. Because there's more likelihood that people will agree to come back and play if there's more money at stake. Yeah. So, I think the coin flip might determine a little bit when a returning season is going to happen. Or Rick Devins will come back for $55 after it's like $6 million. He'll flip the coin, and it fails. And then we're only playing for $1 million. And then Rick's just reversed the curse. Yeah. Which would also be, I mean, it's still a 50-50 shot, even when you have a big returning season. But then you could do another returning season with the same draw, a bigger draw. Yeah. What they should do is, when it gets big enough, they should have the 20 people they want, all-stars, come out. If it misses. Redo the whole season from the beginning. They just start the game over. I agree. Kind of like what I did for 49 and 50. You just have 20 people there for four months. Yeah. The season ends with the coin flip missing. Yep. And that's the whole like, no winner that season. Maybe there's. I guess you'd have to announce a winner somehow. Yeah. You give a winner for the million dollars. They win the pity award. And then just roll it back. Roll it back. Exactly. And then you know who wins. You know the dynamics. Honestly, that might be a good season. I mean, some people might not be able to do back-to-back, so you might get. But you have alternates jump in there, like a few of them. But anybody who wants to keep going for the big prize stays put. I like. That's. We're onto something. We're cooking. Tyson, me and you, we're going to cook. Yeah. We are going to cook. And if you're out there, Rizzo, and it's not me, will you please win an individual reward challenge and just go by yourself? I will. That's my last thing on my bucket list besides winning, and I guess fires, to win a challenge. So I'm going to do it for you, Tyson. Or maybe I throw it. I don't know. You can throw. I will be on it. Winning an individual reward challenge is not good, because you have to always make choices on who to go. But if you choose no one, I don't think that's horrible. That might be a good pitch. Listen, I will admit, I never threw anything. I was just utterly terrible at all the challenges. But I also lost like 50 pounds through both seasons. So have a little, you know. You were depleted. I was depleted. That's my excuse for my ego at least. I don't know who's going to go home next week. I do hope that it is the very small tribe of Devin, Ori, and Jelly, just so that it's like, now where are you going to go? Yeah. Is Ori going home at that point? I kind of feel like maybe Devin would go then. I think it might be Devin then. Yeah. That's what I would think. Ori's too solid. You got to keep Ori. Like he is a silent assassin that does not give any information. Always says clever things at tribal council where it draws the enemy into comfort. Like Alexis listened to that whole thing thinking she's totally fine. Yeah. And he did it the last time they voted someone out too. So, yeah. I think if you're Jelly, you got to keep Ori and get rid of Devin. So, I think Devin, if, but a three-person tribal almost never happens. But, that's where I'm going to go. Three-person tribal, Devin gone. To quote Ori Tyson, do you think Jelly keeping Devin is taking the layup or shooting it from half court? Keeping him? Yeah, keeping Devin. I think keeping Devin is not the layup. Oh. Because she has to do more work to keep Devin in line. Like she's already multiple times this season been like, Devin needs to stop talking and sharing information. I agree, yeah. So, I think that she's at that point now with Alexis pushing it even harder and then Ori, if he has to come at her again with it, I think she's going to come around to voting Devin out. Ashley? Gosh. Um, well, Kilby is of course in trouble. Um, I do think it might be the three-person tribe going to tribal though. It just seems like they're going to be like just the disaster tribe for the episode. I think it's just not right that there's only three people on that tribe. And if they were to go to tribal, I think, I mean, it would be crazy if they, if the boys just were like, you know what? Let's get rid of Jelly. Wouldn't that be crazy? Yeah, why not make it eight in a row? Just keep going. But I do think Devin is in trouble if they go to it. But I think the main kill shot would be for Kilby. I feel like a lot of people want him gone. And if they, if they don't lose, they're going to be just sitting in like anger for like three days straight. That's going to suck. So Ashley, are you kind of hoping for an all-male post-merge? Hmm, I think I am. I'm really excited about that, guys. Yeah. Bring it back to Amazon and Vanuatu, men versus women. Yeah. Wow. It's crazy. What do we say now? Six? Six women voted out. Yeah. Six. Okay. Riley, who you got? Another woman? No, I said I was Kilby. Kilby's gone. Okay. Fine. Fine. Not another woman. Okay. Anything else, Riley? That's it. All right. Rizzo, any closing thoughts? Did we get everything? Yeah, I thought it was great. I'm super honored to be here. The man that the legend R-I-C-G-O-D is honored to be a part of the pod has spoken. I'm hoping that you can make this guy's dream come true and connect me with JT somehow after this, maybe. You know, who knows? We'll see. What do you want? You want a text thread with him? A phone call? What are you looking for? I would love five minutes on the phone with JT Thomas. That would literally be my fever dream. I can make that happen. Do you want You don't want me to just buy you a cameo from him? probably not probably not i'd rather talk to the guy myself okay i can make that happen i'll text him today for you hell yeah um thank you so much for being here rizzo do you have anything what are you what do you got coming up you got anything you want to pitch sell to the masses uh no not necessarily i mean the riz god on social riz got 34 i'm very big on tiktok and instagram me and liz got my girlfriend are really funny out on those things um anything to pitch not really tyson i got a couple of good things on the way might be on tv again who knows maybe there might be an episode of something that's really exciting i don't know i can't say much but good that's something fun on the way um but that's it like i said i'm super excited to be here super excited love 51 and love you guys so okay we love you too we had a lot of fun with you the last couple seasons we were happy you could join us here last thing riz god liz god what's your first child's name gonna be that's a good question i don't know because the the names that we have don't go with god so wizard you don't have wizard wizard's not a name no probably not you have some names you've you've taught you've been talking through you got like a list already yeah so i would say something that's more um concrete is a girl's name and i actually said this on survivor 50 but i lost fire so it didn't matter but hope is a big thing that i live by so if i ever had a daughter i mean liz god would love to name her hope but hope god probably doesn't really go as well so is there synonym for hope that rhymes with uh riz probably not but you know sometimes it's not about how well it sounds like for instance tyson you'd be the t-y-s-o-n-g-o-d tyson god baby yo listen it kind of goes tyson uh yeah but it's i mean i i guess so i yeah i can if you want to call me that fine i'm not going to call myself that okay maybe in another life in another life um and i'm still fingers crossed for you and i'm still fingers crossed for you and i'm still fingers crossed for just naming your kid wizard wizard okay yeah whiz god yeah okay whiz god i don't know it's like cheese whiz i don't know we'll see yeah cheese whiz riley it's not like pissing it's like cheese whiz yeah yeah cheese whiz that sounds like a great name beautiful okay we're all on board with that uh thank you all for tuning in like subscribe share whatever you got to do to bump us up all the ranks everywhere across the board ashley i know you're feeling a little under the weather thank you so much for all the time and energy you put into making us look and sound amazing uh rizzo again thank you and uh riley was also here so thank you yeah okay till next week see ya Thank you.