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For more information, visit www.TramphyaRadio.com. Welcome back to The Pod Has Spoken. A pretty amazing episode of Survivor. It was shaping up to be. Another fan-blamed twist gone wrong. But with a little creative thinking from Devins, we ended up getting an episode that was pretty dang fun. We have Riley here, the Wolf of Quiet Pines. We have Ashley, the Ashen Herald. And we have a contestant from Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers. I call it the Triple H, Ryan Ulrich. Ryan, welcome to the podcast. We're so excited to have you. I was a big fan when I was watching Triple H. And you just kind of disappeared. What'd you do? Just go on with your life rather than hang around the Survivor community? That's odd. Yeah, so this is really the first recap podcast episode I've done in my Survivor history. But, I mean, one, you can't pass an opportunity to speak with the Wolf of Quiet Pines. That's first off. Second off, it's Survivor 50. You know, CBS kind of made clear that I had nothing really to do with Survivor 50, but the pod I've spoken has taken a different stance and one that I like more. So I can't wait to talk about the episode. I've been watching the whole season. I didn't even know if I was going to watch this season. But once you know Mr. Beast is going to be on in a future episode, like, you're hooked, Dan. You can't not. I'm excited. And the other thing, too, when we cast for this show, we like to cast a wide net. So we had actually invited. Five to 600 former Survivor castaways, promised them all that they would be here and then at the last minute, told them we went a different direction. So you lucked out. I hope you're grateful for all the opportunity that we've given you and don't ever forget it. I will not. Before we get. Okay, thank you. Before we get into the episode, last week, there was a schoolyard pick, supposedly, supposedly, because I got some insider information. I got some insider information from someone who was there, that it was not, in fact, a schoolyard pick. What? That's why we didn't see it. That's why we saw no footage of it. They had a bag of rocks and the girls drew from one bag and the guys drew from the other for the teams. Mm-mm. I mean, Tyson, you're no stranger to drawing rocks, so that's not, you know, a horrible thing. But yeah, that is a little disappointing. You know? Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, I would have liked to see how the team shook out because, from what I remember last week, Jonathan's team was really weak. Yes. So, I assumed that he wanted to game. Like, okay, if I could just get through this, I could win this immunity challenge because I'm going against people who I. I'm not going against Ozzy. I'm not going against Steph and all those people. So, yeah. But I would have liked to seen those dynamics, so that's interesting to hear. Yeah. So, instead of us speculating on all the different dynamics and there being even dynamics, there were none. It was interesting. But the fans voted for it. You know? The fans specifically voted for- Yeah. For- Why about a schoolyard pick and- Yeah. For a fake schoolyard pick. It's actually drawing rocks. That was the thing the fans voted for the most in a 72 to 49 to 31 percent breakdown, we got what we wanted, again, which is crazy that we just keep getting what we want this season. One thing we do want, and we've been getting a lot of. Is Coach. Coach comes back feeling the victim of him spearheading the de-Ouster. Ryan, how are you treating Coach in this moment where he comes back, he's complaining to Jonathan, and he's like, "I'm the shield. I'm the scapegoat." All of this. It's tough. He's misunderstood, as we know, as his best friend. Yeah. He's misunderstood. He's like, "I'm the shield. I'm the scapegoat. I'm the scapegoat." Yeah. I'm the scapegoat. I'm the scapegoat. I'm the scapegoat." it and he's like i'm the shield i'm the scapegoat uh all of this it's it's tough it's he he's misunderstood as we know as has been well documented um but do you really believe he's misunderstood no no i think he's you think he's quite well understood um i do love the juxtaposition though when he was like so enthralled with himself like guess who the vote driver was it was me and then it's like i am back and then like the whole juxtaposition of in camp it's just like i don't know like what why is this happening again like you know um so yeah it's it was it was great and and right after tribal too and you know like you're just waiting to say something and you're you're rehearsing what you've said and that's what he decided to go with perfect yeah yeah he sure did it's i survivor is a learning curve like as you go back and you adjust and you make some things but coach just can't help himself is and there is part of that i know when you return you're like you can only be who you are but coach seems even extra coachy this season in some of these moments the haikus that's a new thing uh the i guess the haikus and the the singing was extra this season ryan was coach trying to win here is he just being coach it's certainly a new thing because i don't some of the haikus went last week definitely were not haikus they did not fit the haikus the pentameter um i i think a little bit of both right i think he played so well in south pacific i really do um like he he there was no joke about who was driving those votes it was coach right and um i think that's why he had you know through his own words from what i've heard him say through the years a little hesitation of wanting to come back because like i played an incredible game which i don't think there's any doubt that he did in 23 that he did um so i i think he could maybe think okay well maybe i could blend like some of the early character moments that i had with that strong gameplay that i had this time uh or last time and that's what i think we're kind of seeing right now is it an overcorrection of those character moments yeah maybe um because like we have a correction of gameplay too it might be yeah it might be and i think last time like you he was playing with all new people sans ozzy who was on redemption island the entire time so people were feeding out of his own hand like cochran was wearing his jacket people were you know forming prayer circles around coach right this time people aren't going to take every single you know direction that he gives and that pushback is maybe a new thing for him because i don't think he was driving the votes in 18 or 20 like he wasn't 23 he's driving the vote here but definitely getting a different reaction from doing so right speaking of ozzy ozzy uh goes to tiffany immediately and i think there's i i think there's something to the wisdom of tiffany here with ozzy going to her and saying hey i voted for you and being like well you're bold enough to tell me like i do believe that i can trust you to a certain degree because you were willing to just admit that you voted for me and ozzy wants coach he's targeting coach is is this the right time for this i believe that ozzy was correct in telling tiffany like i voted for you reeling her in a little bit because who knows what's to come but targeting coach early in the episode who knows the before even the the challenge happened i don't know the timing exactly true uh feels a little early to me it could seem early i do so another thing that happened when they got back to camp i think chrissy said to tiffany i don't know who voted for you and it's like well okay like obviously i think we had chrissy in the last episode saying i'm voting for d uh so it's like okay and then we're getting back to campus like oh man like you could have gone home who knew oh i did and then it's a perfect um comparison to ozzy uh having a conversation with tiffany and i think tiffany played this so well you have to have a lot of resolve to look a person in the eye because really if it went ozzy's way theoretically tiffany would be at ponderosa right she wouldn't even be having this conversation so it takes a big person to look a person in the eye who just wrote your name down to say it's all good and it takes a big person from ozzy too to say look i'm coming to you with this information this is uh what i did let's move forward from it and that's a very very stark contrast between the approach that chrissy and coach later took and the approach that joe and ozzy took right here and you could see ultimately which one paid off and you could see which one tiffany appreciated more tiffany seems like a very very um even keeled measured person who i think is playing a really good game um and i think it's no surprise that it is somebody who people want to work with because she just seems like uh somebody that you could have those types of conversations with which in my experience those conversations don't always go as smoothly as they did here yeah i do i i like what you're saying there i do think also that uh because ozzy did vote for tiffany he did need to give her a little bit of something to show that he did want to move forward and naming coach as the target a tiffany wants coach and b now tiffany has that information on ozzy which is now some power back to her so whether or not ozzy did that on purpose it i think it worked out well and it could have gone bad like she could have easily gone to the group and been like ozzy started saying coach's name like that could have blown up easily and that's the balance of survivor like you have to give some information up to some people at some time but are they going to weaponize it do you have a good enough read on them is this best for their game do they understand it's best for their game like there's so much that goes into it um so let's talk about the other conversations she had uh with people admitting they voted for her throughout the episode since you already brought it up coach bombed so hard yeah it was tough when the q a session opened up to that conversation and the first question was was a stumper he doesn't even answer he just sits there in silence that's what i do when i'm in an argument with my wife is i just be quiet until we walk different directions and then it's probably fixed so so i this had already happened to coach earlier this season too like he went he went you know to d and uh was like oh like emily was throwing your name out and she she was like well why didn't you tell me this earlier and he's like ah i don't know what to say and then this one's like even worse because he's like it wasn't me pushing your name so of course the obvious follow-up question is well who was it and he has no answer none none ryan could he have named a name should he have named a name like he should have named a name but what name should he have named right what i i guess he kind of did i think he threw emily under the bus there which is easily verifiable um because like emily tells everybody everything so it's like you probably would have heard that if it was emily um yeah but this was like agreed upon and talked about between chrissy and coach it was like here's what you do and coach is like yeah that's a that's an amazing idea and like it involves coach like coach is going to talk her through it um it's just i i think the right approach as we said is the ozzy approach like honesty right there is the best approach it's not like everybody knew coach was so proud of himself that he's driving this boat like maybe tell it to her in a haiku i don't know but you have to tell her in a way that is not going to make her question immediately hey he continues to feed me false information um this round's different and and clearly he didn't uh you know he needed more tide walker there not dragon slayer but he's renounced tide walker so um yeah i i think it was too late for him for him there and uh you can see it just unraveled quickly could he have could he have done would it have been i mean it would have been better but would it have been effective for him to be like i did drive the vote i did drive it on d i'm not targeting you that's it is what we had to split the vote somewhere that was easy for everybody like i i don't know i i feel like he every conversation he has he tries to blame his actions on someone else and then they ask who that person is and then he's like now i'm really caught because if i name him that person's running immediately to that person checking everything and now i'm dead right and survivor's not a game where you're put in pairs you know like you're not gonna have a pair or like you know ever yeah that would never not unless we voted for it if the fans voted for it then it could happen but jeff would never do that that's a terrible idea yeah that's not my survivor yeah so um who else joe joe had a good conversation with tiffany he reeled her in a bit um i think he was good uh and who who else uh had a real sit down with tiffany there did did we have more um no i think those were the as far as the explainers go on why i voted for you um i mean when you have a reward and i heard you last week like uh your dream on survivor is to go on a reward by yourself going on a reward with joe is pretty much going on a reward by yourself i guess right if it's just you two um but i do think he did a good job here of explaining like look like let's just build trust from right here like this is what happened last time and yet you have to say like uh you know it wasn't me and joe has the advantage of saying hey this was coach so obviously a little easier uh take take there but yeah i think he played it as well as he could have there but he's the stone bell monk so what do you expect you know he's gonna play good here's the problem with the stone bell monk though is that if he's promising not to write so many names down he's gonna get to like final six and he's gonna be like i promised five of these people i wouldn't write their name down even though like it's not what i want it's what so either way he's gonna have to as an honorable character put someone's name down that he already promised he wouldn't or put someone's name down because he has no other options even though that's not exactly who he wants to target joe will be the first player to go to exile and you know it'll be like you or whatever or else you lose your vote and he'll be like finally i can lose my vote and vote for i did think that was funny so we get this boat showing up and everyone wants to sit out because what we've learned is that if you are the odd person out on survivor it's an automatic advantage pretty much every time has there ever been a time where it's like oh you're left out uh now you have one arm tied behind your back for the rest of the thing like no it's always just like surprise and they're always like what uh the advantage this is actually good i i would have been fighting harder to sit out yeah um can you fight harder to sit out though without it like turning on you kind of you could be like okay so who doesn't want to sit out and you have those people joe whoever they're like i'm gonna battle ozzy and you're like can i use your shot in the one of mine so that if i if you draw ozzy joe or me i get to sit out like there's something to having an ally go in this position understanding that they're probably getting an advantage they didn't end up yeah especially on the heels of of like they did this in the blood moon episode like two people went to exile the most historic episode of all time i heard it was one of the biggest twists it's absolutely amazing it's crazy that the trajectory over 50 seasons every other episode has been the biggest twist it's it's crazy um but yeah that's that's what i voted for so um yeah it's uh i mean what if i lost my vote on the fan vote like that's where you should have been taking votes away from people you know yes apparently so um you all lost your vote jeff can do that too you could just be like well the fans all lost their vote we're doing it our way the they love it yeah yeah okay obviously it's such an advantage like okay wait i could avoid a vote instead of being like going through an obstacle course with the riz god like yeah i mean i'll i'll do that like come on i'll go yeah and so reed did i think we didn't ever see that she was like strategically thinking to sit out we just got her being like i'll lose i'm gonna lose for the person that i'm with and i don't want that and i'm gonna lose for the person that i'm with and i don't want to get picked last at the end of it all while everyone's clamoring to not be with me yeah i i don't um i think i think that's the byline right i think she wanted to go to have protection i think it is also like um you know i'm no stranger to costing my team a challenge when okay i get that but at the same time i i do think there's so much upside of just like avoiding whatever is going on that you're willing to just undertake going to exile taking it and as you said like it's never bad and she knows that right like she's she's played so many times that um you know i trust her acuity more than anybody else obviously and and her reads um not to be confused with the Riley's reads, but Cerise reads are also very good. So yeah, I think it, I think, I was shocked only four people wanted to do it. And it raises a flag that, did Steph want to do it? Or no, did Steph put her name in? It was Aubrey, Devin, Cerise, and Chrissy. So maybe Steph just didn't want to deal with, you know, another lie coming back from exile or whatever. But if you're a player saying, you know, why not? It doesn't seem like a major risk to me. Yeah, I think if there's ever a moment to volunteer as the solo person, if somebody has to go or exit and you're looking at it like, no, I should go compete, like sit out, something good's coming, something better than what, like, and we all knew it. I'm surprised we didn't get that confessional from Cerise. I 99% certain, I am 99% certain that that happened where she was like, I know it's good. I know it's going to be good. Like, let's go. I'm so happy I won this. I know it's good. Uh, but then it wouldn't have, uh, played out as well as the sad music while she's hunting for coconuts. Um, we also get the pairings, everybody's mixing and mingling. Who made an absolute wrong choice on a partner here? Um, well, well, first of all, coconut bandits dream when you show up to an island full of coconuts, right? Of course. Oh my God, dude. I was like, find this as fast as I can. And then drink a bunch of coconuts. That literally, as I saw that, I was like, is there a way to pop those open after, uh, I find those also, uh, her starting with the closest coconuts to the sign, I feel was a error. They're not going to hide it that close. Yeah. I didn't think so either. Unless they thought that she thought that they thought maybe it was dependent on the person. They're like, sorry, she's not walking far. Put it as far as you can, knowing she's going to look close first. Um, and. What is your strategy there, Ryan? She was flipping all of them looking. Are you under the impression that it's under a coconut? I'm gauging the time and being like, maybe if the time isn't, isn't a lot, then it has to be on the surface somewhere. And you just run around the coconuts looking, but so interesting. We never found out how much time she had. Exactly. Um, our glass is not, can't be contained to a, uh, standard clock. Yeah. That's that's true. Um, yeah, I think, I think just like I, um, I, you know, use, use the speed and, and, and try and, you know, flip, flip things over. Obviously I, I don't know how much other information she got of, you know, this, what it's going to look like or whatever. But, um, it seemed to be pretty pronounced, but who knows, uh, what, what she was thinking could have been like painted on. And, and then when you go through them, you just start missing them. Right. So I think as you said, I'd probably start the furthest away, just Chuck and then, um, hopefully I come across it, but, uh, I. I don't know if I would have taken a break. I, I think I would have been too worried, but she is such a calm person. So like, like she's a freaking nurse. Like, of course she could flip over coconuts. Like she's in stressful situations all the time. Right. She's from Jersey city where I went to high school. Right. Um, so, you know, we don't get stressed, uh, but yeah, I, I, I think she took the right now. Yeah, clearly no ever. Um, I think that was the right approach. She had enough time to not only take a break, but then to have a flashback montage of every other time she's played survivor minus Australian. Survivor, which I've heard is a great season. Um, so, uh, yeah, we get that. I, then that's where I think like her celebrating the fact that she was the solo person that's definitely getting saved was not going to work out with the montage of, uh, you know, a feel goods that we got. Um, let's talk about the pairings, the pairings here. Do you have a strategy if you're sitting there on the beach and you know, you have to be. In pairs and did they get enough clue to know that you were voting out pairs? No, they didn't. I don't think they did. They just to pair up for the challenge. Yeah. They didn't get, they didn't get a clue, but I will ask this in our exit press because I am curious, but I think they, somebody must have suspected that that would be the case, you know, cause we know that they're looking at the calendar and being like, how do we whittle this all the way down to three by 26 days? Yeah. Do you think somebody raised their hand? They're like, I actually on the. Right. In ballot, I voted for a double the fun, double the demise, uh, twist and we'll see what he called this. The double, the double down. I think he couldn't say the double mint, uh, cause that's already a thing that would have, you know, spear, uh, Wrigley's would have come straight for him. So, but also an opportunity for marketing. This season is not about putting in things that shouldn't be there. Like, you know, it's, that's not what this season is. This is the hands of the fan, right? So it's not. That's a, that'd be out of character. Can you imagine, can you imagine Joe and Tiffany chewing, uh, just enjoying some double mint gum on the reward? Oh my God. I mean, I'm sure companies are clamoring for Joe to be their spokesperson at this point. Um, so they'd have to get in line obviously, but yeah, that would be a little force feed of it. I'd like to see that like, man, this, you know, would go great with this tiramisu, some double mint gum. Yeah. It would a huge misapplication there from a survivor. Well, you know, our inbox is open survivor. If you need some marketing ideas, uh, but double mint would have just say our, our inbox is open to double mint. Like they could sponsor this podcast. Yeah. We'll be chewing gum as we record. If we could get the episodes in advance, we could plan out the marketing tactics of the podcast based off of what we see. Like that would have been perfect. Unfortunately, there was. There's not enough time. Um, now can we talk about the pairings? Yeah. I think so. What stuck out to me was, uh, I loved the Jonathan and Christian pairing and I. That was my favorite one. Yeah. They're on opposite sides. Exactly. They're both in pretty good positions within their alliance. One is brawn. One is brains for a challenge. Like everything about that build was correct. A hundred percent. And they almost became untouchable. Like it. It didn't hit the challenge for them, even though I think, you know, they didn't end up getting to the final segment, but, um, I thought they had a great chance going in and of the utmost importance. You got your feet in both camps. Um, and this was a week after, I mean, Christian is one of the lowly middle people. Okay. He's not even supposed to be, uh, spoken to. Um, so when you have a chance to link up with someone of honor and integrity, like Jonathan, you take that because then you become untouchable to both sides. Um, so if, if that was their plan. Uh, I give him a lot of credit because, uh, that was very well played. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Chrissy and coach pairing I thought was just so bad. Like neither one of them are physical, like physically dominant. Plus they're in the tightest alliance of those pairings, I think. And so you're pretty much like, if you don't have the power, if your alliance doesn't have the power, that's the easiest shot in my opinion. Obviously. That's what happened, but it almost didn't. I think, uh, am I, am I missing something there with them? Did they just choose poorly? Were they the last to choose? Did they just feel comfortable enough? What happened? I think they felt comfortable and they couldn't have been the last to choose because we saw Rizzo saying, uh, I think it was to Christian. It was like, Hey, do you have a partner? And this is a guy who everybody knows has a hidden immunity idol. Like, Oh, but I guess at that point, like you don't know you're in Paris for voting. Um, so I guess that. That doesn't really matter, but yeah, just from, just from, I, I think they were going in, like, who do I work well against or who do I work well with? So I guess, you know, Christian and Jonathan got lucky. Um, but I, I guess you, it's a good lesson. You always want to have your foot in both camps. And, um, yeah, Chrissy and coach were just too similar. And, uh, uh, you know, people clearly viewed them as a do. I think they, they are very similar personalities. Um, so yeah, that, that ended up being the worst one by far. What about the Ozzie and Stephanie pair? Strong, strong, I thought. I think physically strong, I think strategically not as strong. I think that's another one where if you can see they're aligned. Well, they get some of the like cross alliance benefit. It's a little bit like under the radar, I think, especially to these old schoolers that Ozzie and Sri are so close with Rizzo specifically. Yeah. Um, but so there's a little bit, there's a lot of people who I think are like, they're so invested in the, in Stephanie or Ozzie or both of them that it kind of takes some heat off of them. Okay. You know, I want to point out really quick before we get off of Steph as well. She mentioned that she had a main alliance of like seven people. Yes. And, um, kind of shows that she's not really like in the know what's going on with the alliances. But she said she had Jonathan, Chrissy, Joe, Ozzie. Uh, Sri and coach all in one big alliance and everything was going smoothly. So I'm not even sure if she thought that it was like a cross alliance type of thing to work with Ozzie at all. She didn't. She thinks that Ozzie is fully with her. She doesn't understand that Ozzie has something else that he values more than that seven person. And Sri. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I'm sure she was very surprised when she found out Sri was spilling her secrets, um, when she came back from the challenge. Um, so yeah. I think that's a great read. I don't think, you know, she's. She's not, doesn't have her finger on the pulse of, of that. And she clearly doesn't know how close they are with Rizzo either. So. Yeah. Yeah. I think, so I think that's a, I think for Ozzy taking Stephanie, like cements her belief in their alliance. I think for Stephanie, like it's just hard to know. But for her, it's not cross alliances. She's not, she's choosing someone that she believes that she's aligned with Joe and Tiffany. I would be scared if I were Joe here, everyone wants to target Tiffany. So you're choosing the person that is the most obvious target. What was Joe's thinking? Was he just like too nice to say no when Tiffany asked was, did he think there was some benefit to this? I mean, there's strong competitors. So are you just hoping like, hopefully, hopefully we win. I don't have to deal with this. You're not necessarily thinking they're going to vote both people out. So you're not that concerned at this point. Yeah. I feel like they should have told them they were going to be voted out as a duo. Cause then the clamoring for a partner would have been much more aggressive. And it would have given clarity on why these pairs were chosen. Like this ends up being the crux of the episode, these pairs. Right. So I think they should have been given all the information on the outset and it would have been a better selection process. As well. But I guess they all thought it was just for the challenge. That's my assumption of it. Yes. That's what I would assume. So Emily and Rizzo. I kind of think this is low key, like not a very good pairing. Like these, these two are not good in challenges. I think I felt like they were kind of toast the moment we saw that it was, well, really almost any kind of challenge. I don't, I don't really love the men. And then they're, I mean, are they both, are they both middle people or are they not? Who are like the, the there's like the old schoolers in the middle people. And then what's the other group of people that's like on the other side of the middle, like the middle has to be in the middle of something, right? Like the other group, the other group. I don't even know who the other group is. I know who the old schoolers or the honorable Alliance want is assuming is the middle, but then who's the other side. I don't know. Yeah. If you have seven. Yeah. If you have seven. It's a sandwich. It's a sandwich. It's only like one piece of bread or it's like an Oreo that they already is on the other side. And then the middle people are Emily Rizzo, Aubrey and Devon's. Yeah. Yeah. I guess Tiffany's the only one. Christian too. And Christian. That's a five person middle group. Right. When, when did they just become person main Alliance and Tiffany on the, when did they just become the people? Right. Uh, and, and Chrissy made clear, these are not the people who are, are worthy of making it to the final four, even though I think half of them have made it to a, to a final four in their previous season. Um, but not for season 50. That's not what's going to happen. Uh, but yeah, it's sneaky middle people. Yeah. Sneaky, sneaky middle people. Um, I guess, I guess Rizzo is like ostensibly one of the four horsemen, although, you know, they reminded us about that at the top of the episode and then it never came up again. No. Um, I do believe that Rizzo probably doesn't care who he's with. He's got the idol. So he's just like, whatever, like I'll just play it. Like cool partner with somebody, whoever, who feels good about me or feels good when I ask if they'll partner with me. Um, and then we have Aubrey and Devon's again, part of the middle people, the, uh, secondary majority of middle people. I also, I, I don't think strategically it's, it was a strong build here with Aubrey and Devon's, but maybe I'm wrong. Uh, they actually got really close to winning this challenge, which was shocking to me. They did. They did. It seems to be like people really just paired up who they were comfortable with. Right. Like, yeah. Um, yeah. You know, M M Elaine Rizzo seem to be two of the middle people, uh, Ozzie and Steph, both old schoolers know each other. Aubrey and Rick played on the same season, season spent some time on extinction. I went to get a Christian coach, obviously together and Jonathan and Christian, I guess is two of the oddball ones, but they seemingly both loved it with the David Goliath thing. So, um, yeah, I think, uh, everyone would just defaulted to who am I most comfortable with, which is a lot about survivor anyway. So I think that Jonathan was, cause we had like, Oh, Christian saying that, you know, Jonathan just grabbed them immediately. It was like fee, five, oh, fum. And I think that that was Jonathan trying to be strategic where he was like, I'll just carry whoever through the physical part. And then if there's a puzzle, I need a puzzler. That's what I think too. And I also do believe cross alliances as well. Um, it's not an uncommon play, if you have to pair up with somebody, the challenge does it all the time where you have to pair up with somebody. If you can pair up with somebody in the other Alliance, then you're safer because you have your Alliance and their Alliance kind of blocking for you if they like you or if they're loyal. Um, before we go to the challenge, we get a little bit of game scramble here, uh, with people kind of thinking like maybe we should go at Devon's. So this is where we get the first time that Devon's is being spoke as the deep as the real vote out with Tiffany kind of being the two obvious what is that Ryan? Why is that a thing in survivor where you can't go the two obvious you should now deviate from that? Well, I think, I think in Rick's case, I think, I mean, if say, say season 40 wasn't all winners, like Rick is a, a block on that beach. And I think people remember like how dangerous he was specifically. Um, you know, he's, he's a major threat. He's affable. And even though he's clustered in with these middle people, um, he, he's a massive threat. So I think, um, it was only a matter of time before Rick's name started to get thrown around by anybody. Um, because I think he's just a, a likable guy. Um, so, and, uh, yeah, I mean, I, I, I would want to target Rick too, even though I really like him. Okay. Yeah. And I, yeah, I mean, you have, you obviously have to be there. We're seeing what we're seeing, but I do also think like if you, you can't go obvious because they'll either play their shot in the dark or if they have an idol or if they have an advantage. So you always have to deviate. Ashley, are you okay? I'm fine. I think there was an explosion outside or something. Oh, I didn't hear it. Okay. I think there was one we've had, like, like a couple of them because the kid there's like bad kids and they keep like messing with the bad lines. Yeah. Bad. I saw them. I saw them and they, it makes explosions with the, uh, the power lines and I'm just glad it didn't hit the house. So they're throwing like metal hangers or something that touch the power lines at the same time. I've seen it when I was like taking out the trash and then you just see like these, this flock of kids just running and I'm like, power go out. Yeah. That time it did. Yeah. But not this time. Wow. That's crazy. Well, take a picture. Cause my youngest daughter has always been asking what a bad guy looks like. Okay. Well, I'll be like, there they are. I used to, man, when I was like a teenager, we would take, um, there was a certain like toilet bowl cleaner and if you put it in like a water bottle or something and you threw aluminum foil in it, it would cause a chemical reaction to like bubble up. So then you'd like seal the thing shut and just set it somewhere. It would take a few minutes to do it. So you could like hightail it out of there. You get like a few blocks away and then you just hear this incredibly loud boom. You know that I think that that's building a, an explosive and that's highly, it's literally a bomb. Highly illegal. I'm not saying the name of the toilet bowl cleaner cause it had to be a specific one. I don't want to give out the exact instructions on this podcast. I think it's more that you're incriminating yourself. Is it past the statute of limitations? The statute of limitations. 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Ryan is this the perfect game mechanic, the fan voting so that you can blame any new idea on the fans. And then if it's good, you can start taking credit for it. And if it's bad, you can blame the, the millions of people who have been watching the show for 25 years. Yeah. Um, it's definitely, uh, uh, fail safe for them. Um, you know, I, I will note the cast probably wasn't complaining that the, uh, production of, uh, production picked all of them to be on the season. Just that the twists that were included, like they were fine that they all got picked, but the twists that were included that they had to deal with, not, not okay. Um, yeah, it does create, um, Hey, like, look, we didn't want to do this. We did not want to put you in Paris and run this challenge, but the fans, the fans made us like, we gave you the percentages. They add up to close to a hundred, right? Um, our hand is forced. Um, so yeah, it does, it does be like, look, and he keeps reminding us of this. Like the fans voted for it. Like our hands are tied. We have to do this. Um, I didn't want to do it, but this was being done. So yeah, which you're right. Like, no, but the fan, all the contestants are like, the fans, they voted for this. None of them are complaining that they got selected except for Aubrey, who points out, that you signed up for the show and should just deal with what's given to you. Meanwhile, crying 80% of the time about being there. Easy to say when you're, you know, when your number one nemesis in the game went home a few days ago, because she got swapped onto a tribe with you and your two allies. But for, for Aubrey, uh, Aubrey, Aubrey is a legend to me. Um, you know, she, she did have that confession. I think it was post challenge, which we'll get to, I'm sure. But she said she's, uh, constantly underestimated. She's played four times. She's constantly underestimated, but that's a good thing. That's because she's such a good player. I think that, um, you know, underestimation and survivor is a double edged sword, obviously, but, um, her name isn't coming up, uh, continually. I think because she is a good player, right? And, and she, and she made it through. So I, I think she was being a little hard on herself there that, oh, like why am I being underestimated again? But I think it's a credit to her and her game. That she's able to integrate and, anything bad that was said about her by Genevieve or, or pre-merge emanated from her being a big threat. Um, so she's not being overlooked. She's not being underestimated. Uh, I think, uh, she's just a good player. Maybe she's just, uh, being a little bit too hard on herself in that moment. Yeah. I, I mean, I think also that is her gameplay is to be underestimated. Surrey is a very similar style of game of being not threatening and not standing out in any capacity. That's really going to make sense. Someone like want to target you. Um, so yeah, I, I, I agree with that. Uh, coach, is he good at playing it? Cool. Um, this is a question. This is a, yeah, I think as good as he is about playing basketball, it appears. Um, uh, I did. I was shocked. He admitted that he wasn't good at basketball. Well, I did see a clip of him. Saying that he was scouted by the Chicago White Sox. So I guess this is not a Michael Jordan situation where he played for the White Sox for a season and then went back to the Chicago bulls when three more decided to go to the bulls after for like, I need a break from baseball. Let's go to the bulls for a little while. Um, but yeah, it's a, it's about the same level of a vacuum in there. Yeah. I do think he did play baseball in college at Tennessee. And so that could be an accurate statement. That's the thing with coaches. Like there's so many times where you're like, that's gotta be a lie. And then he got kind of backs it up and you're like, well, maybe the next one will be like, it's hard to gauge, uh, what is truth. And that I think makes it difficult for people to navigate, especially if you, uh, already kind of are rubbed the wrong way by him. Then you're just like, nah, he's telling lies all the time. Um, the immunity challenge, uh, Rizzo calls it. The biggest twist of all time. Is that a ploy to get more camera time is to, if ever Ashley Jeff is like, what do you think of this? You just have to completely exaggerate the situation to get camera time. Big reactions. Yeah, for sure. Like, Oh, like, Oh, like you ever see one of those videos where like, um, like I can't remember, but like, uh, someone's seeing like a magic trick. They're like, Oh my God, it's just like, I can't, I can't believe that. Like, and, and Jeff loves that. He's like, and now you thought this was big, just wait, you're paired up now and it's the biggest, juiciest twist survivors. And then it's just like, Oh my God, you know, this is incredible. Like, yes, yes. But it wasn't even my idea. It was the fans. Yeah. You gotta, you gotta say like, yeah, this is, this is an amazing twist. Uh, it's the biggest twist, amazing twist. Um, this is the biggest twist I've seen in three days. Uh, you know, so yeah, the big reaction is definitely something I noted this season for sure. Yeah. And people have to agree to get on the camera or in those moments, you have to be like, cause even Jeff was like this, the biggest stakes, these are the biggest stakes in survivor history, which again, stakes on reward would have easily made sense to have Omaha stakes, ship some stuff out there. Like there's more marketing opportunity followed up with some double make, gum. Um, and coach is bad at basketball. I just like, we saw he was bad. I was excited. He was bad. Cause I was like, oh, coach is usually okay at stuff, but like, how's he going to spin this? He just admits he's bad at basketball. Yeah. I mean, I, I've been on segments of the challenge that people are no longer on. Um, and I see people and then like when Jeff leaves you, when Jeff leaves you during a challenge, you're like, oh no, he walks away. Yeah. He walks. And I've, I've unfortunately seen his back in challenges. I've been in boats and seen him on another boat drive past us. I've seen him up on, uh, elevated surfaces when I'm still on the ground. I've seen it all from being behind challenges. Um, and, and look, I'm like, I, when I, I played baseball as well, I didn't play at UT, but I played for the soft shine Mariners in North Arlington. And when I used to throw people out from short, three, stop, I used to do the, you better believe the baby dragon Slayer. I am a fan of coach. So don't, he, this was clearly not his challenge, but in their defense, Chrissy's a wiz at puzzles. Like Chrissy is second to none at puzzles. And I think coach was even on the puzzle last week with her. So they clearly have some sort of rhythm on challenges. Maybe they thought that, that if it was a puzzle, they had a shot. Um, but yeah, clearly, uh, stumbling out of the gate, trying to get the ball through the ramp and catch up. You know, but Joe and Tiffany winning, which I think was probably safe of Joe. Like that would have, I Joe, I don't know if he would have been voted out. Had they not won, but they would have definitely been talked about with Tiffany as his, as his partner, they definitely would have been talked about. Like he had to have been a little bit nervous before the challenge. And then winning, that's probably a, a huge, huge relief. Um, like a massive challenge too. Like it, it was never ending. Um, and when they got to that final portion, I, I, I was sure, uh, Stefan Ozzie, we're gonna win it. And they did a good job navigating the maze, but it, it, uh, rimmed out there that, that second ball. And I'm happy that Ozzie didn't win because when I go back now, I only have to win nine immunity challenges instead of 10 or whatever it is. So I don't want him to get too far from me. Yeah. So far. Yeah. I'm still at, even though I completed an entire season, I'm still looking for my first, so I don't want him to get too far from me, but I thought that was a lock for them to win this season. from me, but I thought that was a lock for them to win that final challenge. Uh, and it didn't happen. So credit to, I mean, Tiff, like going into an immunity, you got votes last tribal, you're, you're with somebody who voted for you or the perspective of them voting for you, you're teamed up with them and, and you, you pull it out like that. That takes a lot of composure to do. Uh, so, so credit to her. Um, that's, uh, that was a big time win. Yeah. I think in those moments when you feel like you are the target and you have to win, it's either these competitors who pull it together and rise above and beyond and get that like toddler under the car, mom strength, where they just like lifted a 2000 pound car off of a baby somehow, or they just crumble and like, cannot even function at all. So Tiffany, I think rising above in this moment for her, in her mind, this was do or die, whether or not that's what actually would have happened. Who knows? But in her mind, she has to be believing that this is do or die. So the fact that she crushed that is, is powerful. We've talked about exile Island, but I wanted to rework it because basically she gets to exile Island and the note, the thing she reads says, you got something good, but you can get something even gooder. If you do a thing like, it's like, Oh, I got to, but it's like, there's no risk to this. Like there should be risk to this. this somehow, especially when you're volunteering to go, there should be something at risk. There was nothing at risk. It just was like, if you want to work a little bit, I don't even know that I would have worked to go back. I would have just been exited from the vote completely. No blood on my hands, blamed, whatever. Then you can go any direction. When you come back to camp, you can be like, oh, I wouldn't have done that. Or, okay, cool. I'll just let you guys, none. I don't know. Was there something to going back? Just having the knowledge? Why? Why work that hard to go back? Yeah, there were clearly no stakes for losing. Just as an aside, I never liked when the show tells you that you have to do something. For example, I found an immunity idol, my season, and I had to give it to somebody else. This was before the Billy Idol-ish boomerang idol. This was the Ryan Ulrich super idol, and I had to give it to somebody. I'd rather see what I could do with it myself, but once my team won, I had to give it up. There should have been an option like, hey, Sari, you can do this. You can win the opportunity to go back, but you're getting cost something. Or if you lose, you do go back and you're able to be voted out. Maybe that could have created more chaos. Like, hey, now she's a sitting duck. It's not the reward that we thought it was going to be, just like avoiding the vote. I thought the stakes were non-existent when they should have been extra high. Especially, it would have been a good twist because you think you're guaranteed safety, and in the end, you're just going back to camp just like everybody else, and you could be picked off. I like that. I like you play this, you have to find the coconut, and you spend the night on exile. You still don't get a vote, but you're safe. Or if you don't find the coconut, you go to camp, and you could get voted out. That's 100% what it should have been. The sitting out to get automatic immunity should be a thing of the past. We don't do that anymore. We've done it so many times. Everybody's just clamoring to get it. Make it cost at least some sweat. None of it was earned. It was just like, oh, got it. And you're so happy to just exit. Even a challenge beast would be so happy to exit in that moment. I would have been clamoring to not be the person that had to pair up. So I believe, yeah, that, again, the fans dropped the ball on the voting in that moment, and we're to blame. And if we would have voted better, then we probably. We would have had something where the person at exile had to work harder to earn something. Yeah, not very honorable of the fans here. Yeah. I agree. This episode is brought to you by Viore. Viore, meet the Sunday Performance Jogger from Viore, part of the Sunday Collection. They're ideal for running. 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Yeah, Emily, I think, is the first one we see throw out the Coach and Chrissy name, and then. She wants Coach gone so bad. Yeah, she wants Coach gone. Is that for her gameplay, or is she just bugged by him? It's like, the Coach and Chrissy pairing is so. They're really a similar type of player. They really are. They really are. So, I think, you know, to jump ahead a little bit, like, when Seri comes back, she finds out all this information, it's just like, well, obviously, but in that moment when they're working through it, I get everybody's points that Aubrey and Rick also seem dangerous because Coach and Chrissy are like one entity, you know? And we get tips confessional, like, you know, Coach is annoying and Chrissy is a. I forget the word that she. A control freak, right? Those are interchangeable words that can be used about Coach, and Chrissy, right? Yeah. So, I could see why people would be like, to your point before, that's the easier kind of vote here. You know, let's see if we could get a big threat like Aubrey, who just flushed an idol, and Rick Devins, who's highly capable of winning immunities and finding idols, so. Yeah, I think. I'm looking at these pairings, and if I am not aligned with either of them, just as an outsider, Chrissy and Coach aren't winning. They're not winning against me in a final tribal council. So, are they with me enough that they would take me to a final tribal council if we got to that point? Then maybe they're worth sticking around. Maybe, like, anybody who believes that Chrissy and Coach are telling them the truth should obviously keep Chrissy and Coach. Those are not winning finalists based off of what we're seeing and people's perception of these two players, whereas Devins and Aubrey. Are both players that could potentially win in the end. Devins specifically seems very well-liked. He did have a tiff with Joe, so maybe you're thinking some other things. Aubrey, under the radar, could rise at any minute. Like, I'm thinking. Plus, Devins openly admitted that lying is part of Survivor, and he wants to play that way. And I think if everybody lies, but if you're admitting to lying and celebrating, and you're getting lied to, and you find that out, then it's obvious. Devins and Aubrey, go for it. Seri comes back once everyone is kind of on Devins and Aubrey, and is like, the obvious is Coach and Chrissy. And Ozzy's like, thank God Seri came back and told us what to do, because I would have done the other thing, which is incorrect because Seri told me the correct thing. I think Seri's getting too much credit here. And they still would have had the numbers. Like, if Coach and Chrissy stay, and Rick and Aubrey go, I'm pretty sure they're still up 6-5. But they don't all know that. They don't all know that. Yeah, Steph thinks that, like, Seri and Ozzy are on their side. To the earlier point of, you know, a lot of this season that we've seen, it's kind of more akin to second chance, that, like, this is how I'm going to play this time. This is how I've thought about it. I've changed. I've reinvented myself. And Coach and Chrissy, Coach has reverted back to the Dragon Slayer, admittedly. Like, he's like, Tidewalker done. Like, this, I am the Dragon Slayer. And Chrissy, I mean, admittedly, you know, on my season, like, had her own problems with people. Myself, not, you know, discluded from that. And in episode three or two, she's talking about, like, you know, I don't know why this happens. I'm not being well-liked again. Like, this would happen last time. I'm not well-liked. So it's the two people who have not changed. That are not adapting, who are just reverting to them old selves that now paired together. And they are people who have, I mean, I also lost at Final Tribal, but they lost at Final Tribal too. So I don't know if that's in the back of people's minds that, hey, these are the things that we're seeing. We're not seeing a lot of change from them. They're annoying people a lot. They're rubbing people the wrong way. Let's try and keep them in. I mean, that was my thought when I played. But at the same time, like, there's so many people that are not adapting. And I think that's left. So I think that threat of keeping Aubrey and Rick in is very scary. And everybody was on the same page with that seemingly, except Seri, who comes back, like, kind of like a prophet and says, oh, no, no, no. This is what we should be doing. And instantly changes people's minds. So I wish I had that kind of power. I don't think she changes people's minds. Seri? I think without the hidden idol, I think it made them question and they had conversations about it. But ultimately, I think if Rick hadn't pulled that idol. It would have been Rick and Aubrey gone. Am I incorrect? Did they edit that to make it look like Rick saved himself when he really didn't? Well, Coach played a shot in the dark. But that was after Rick found the idol. So yeah, it's tough. My read is that Aubrey and Rick were gone. That is my, that's the way I read it. But also editing can do whatever. Somebody sound off here. We have, pretty much all the contestants from the season who we all love and adore, uh, tune in. So let me know, uh, what, We're Rick and we'll just ask. We can ask tomorrow. We have Coach and Chrissy on the line tomorrow. But will they tell us the truth? That's what we don't know. I think that Seri tried to go Coach and Chrissy. And I think for a second, everybody thought about it again and then came to the realization that they had already come to that Rick and Aubrey are more dangerous. It's that scene with Rizzo, I think, that is pivotal too. I don't think we saw Rizzo and Chrissy interact at all this season. And it was of interest to me because in the preseason, Chrissy was really, really railing against me through the lens of Rizzo. I'm not working with him. He reminds me of Ryan. Ryan is bad, blah, blah, blah. And I'm sitting at my desk at work and I was like, I got nothing to do with it. What are you talking about? You think Coach is giving nicknames. Chrissy is giving me more nicknames, I think, than anybody. And Rizzo conversely said that Chrissy was the number one person he wanted to work with. I reminded him of him and his mom of Chrissy. They wanted that relationship. And we never saw one conversation between them the entirety of the season. The only thing we saw was Rizzo saying, girl, bye, about her when Seri says, no, actually, your name is getting written down. Because of Chrissy. Chrissy is coming after you. And even when his name is read, he says, thanks, Chrissy. Like, he knows it. So, yeah, I don't know what happened there. I'm inclined to think that the vote was Coach and Chrissy. That's just my read on it. Because I don't think, like, many people were talking enough at Tribal to flip everybody to Coach and Chrissy sans two pairings. I think it was, I think, going into Tribal, I thought the writing. was on the wall that these two were going to go. But I could be wrong. I need to break it down a little bit here so that I can, myself, think about it. So, you think that Coach and Chrissy were always the target. Chrissy voted for Rizzo and Emily because she was the target anyways. And when she said, whatever she said to people, they were like, yeah, we're doing that. So, that would explain why her vote specifically was a full width. And then everyone else just, I mean, I could see that. I still think, though. Wait, so even Joe ended up voting for Coach and Chrissy, didn't he? Yeah. But Devin's and Aubrey, Devin's had that idol pull out. So, at that moment. But even at, like, during the whispering in Tribal Council, he was like, I will not write Coach's name down on principle. It's very weird, yeah. And then he ends up voting for him? Not honorable. Yeah, where's the honor and integrity, man? What happened? That is not like, Magellan would be very upset with that. Yeah, rolling in his grave. In the Philippines, apparently. In the Philippines, yeah. That's true. He actually did die in the Philippines. He did, yeah. Coach. Earlier, though, like, completely missed, like, he, I think, quoted three people. I don't think any of those three people said the quote that he said. And it was, like, three, it was, like, two philosophers and then, like, a bank guy or something. I mean, it was Insanzu, Nietzsche, or a financial advisor who I could not figure out who, like, is that just coaches? Coach is financial advisor. He was, like, Chris Verilis or something? Verilis. Verilis, yeah. Verilis, yeah. Yeah. All of the Googling I did, I was, like, I think this might just be coach's personal financial advisor. So, I think it was. Or it might be Nietzsche. Or it could be someone who you just can't Google because they're so wise. Or it could be a coach nickname and the real person is a different name. I think I was able to find something on it. I think it was, like, a Harvard economist. It was a little bit misquoted. But what I found more interesting was Rizzo said something very similar. Similar to that at Tribal, which leads me to believe that coach was saying this line at camp unless the Four Horsemen have something that I do not. But Rizzo said a very similar quote to that at Tribal. And I just found that very coincidental. The other thing I wanted to say about Tribal was, do you think that Rick should have told Aubrey in advance what he was doing? Because I don't know what the rapping said, but if it was a Billie Eilish immunity idol, Rick could have been like, well, I have to give this to somebody. I'm giving it to Aubrey. And then people would be like, oh, the mechanic makes sense. Like, he has to give it to somebody. And then, like, it would have been. No, because that writing says on another tribe. But he wouldn't even show the writings anyway, right? Well, that's the thing. If you have to show the writings to them, then you're going to read it. That's why he wasn't going to show it. Because the rapper would have been Billie Eilish. So then everyone would have just voted for him. Because I think in that clue on the Billie Eilish idols, it does say, like, someone from a different tribe. Will this all unravel for him next episode because of that? Because he was kind of like, oh, you have to play it, you know, at the next Tribal Council. It's supposed to be snuck out or whatever. No, he's not allowed to play it until the next Tribal Council. Right, that's what he said. But, like, to your point, if somebody is like, hey, show me that rapper where it says that. Obviously, it doesn't say that. So is this, like, is he going to have to come clean, you know, when they get back to camp? I don't think so. I don't think so. He'll just be like, he'll just keep doing the, like, well, knowledge is power. I'm not going to show you exactly what it says. You're just going to have to believe that that's what it says. Yeah, or he's just going to, you know, yeah. Maybe people will stop asking. Or maybe he can have Christian start verifying it. Around the camp a little bit or something. I think it's powerful that he. Just say you forgot. Just say you forgot. I forgot what it says, and I don't know where I put the rapper. Yeah. It also seemed like it was under way more rocks than what he had initially placed the idol there. Maybe that was all just for show. I think it was for show. Like, oh, it's over here. No, it's over here. Okay, found it. Okay. Interesting. Okay. So, Ryan, you do not think that that hidden idol there shook things up at Tribal Council. You think it was always going to be Coach and Chrissy? Maybe for Joe's vote, but I don't know what Joe's, like, as Riley said, like, he said he wasn't voting for him, and then he did. And then Steph, even when she puts the urn in, she's like, what a mess. So, yeah, I do think it impacted some people's votes, for sure. But I think people really took to what Seri said. And I think even Ozzy was like, thank God Seri came back because I was going to vote in a different direction. I misinterpreted what Seri was going to do. He needed to have a vision like Coach did of himself doing Tai Chi and say, okay, like, this is what Seri is thinking. But, no, I think Seri flipped the vote when she came back. And I think it was Coach and Chrissy going in to try. And that caused Coach to play his shot in the dark. It seemed like Chrissy and Coach were on the same page with that. She didn't seem surprised that he didn't even have a vote or wasn't going to vote. So, no, I do think it changed Steph and Joe's vote, but I don't think it changed much else. Wait, do you think that it prompted Coach to play his shot in the dark then? Like, maybe he was more comfortable until the Rick fake idol thing. And then there's a world where it's like. Chrissy should have played hers. Well. They both should have played theirs because then they have a one third. I wonder if they could only play one. It sounded like. Propes made it sound like only one of them could play the shot in the dark. I don't think so because then you just both give up your vote. I believe that you could both play your shot in the dark. I don't know. They should have both played their shot in the dark. I interpreted it differently, but it's unclear. Let me go back to the van voting and see what we chose. Yeah, Riley, the rules were so clear. The rules were so clear. I don't know what. This is confusing about this. Yeah, come on, Riley. Pull it out. No, but imagine if Coach was not going to play his shot in the dark, but the votes were on Coach and Chrissy until Devins does the thing. And then he plays it. This actually is a move that kind of sort of backfires on Devins because if that shot in the dark had hit, then they're the next vote. I hadn't thought about it like this. If Devins felt at risk, then he made the right move. He made the right move in clamoring for the idol. Like, that's what we don't know. Were they going to be the actual target? And based off of what we're seeing, the edit is telling us that they were indeed probably the target, but it was muddled enough that it could just be a ruse. It could just be another pick-em, schoolyard pick. Happening two episodes in a row. The schoolyard picked us. How about when Stephanie went up to Christian and was like, you have to tell him to open it. like you do this now and christian's like what what like no like why me you know um like i was picked last in the fakes we were picked two days ago um yeah exactly that was that was pretty interesting um what stephanie has gotten a little aggressive here i liked that she asked rick to show it to her i did like that didn't you feel like more people should have been pressing i think they all should have pressed for him to open it all of them should have been like we're voting you unless you open it open it right now and like the fact that that didn't get rolling was crazy you know i i i was surprised that nobody was like it's fake like if it were real he'd show it yeah it's fake or he's not gonna play it or he can't play it or something like that um i don't know it's just i feel like we don't get many instances where people do the like the double blood it's always like if they make a big deal out of the idol then they're either not playing it or it's not real and if they try and keep it super secret then they are playing it because of course they want the votes to like bounce back and then to get the result that they want you never get somebody who like makes it a big deal because then they think you're gonna actually like call them on the bluff but then they're gonna call you on your call like it it's always just like kind of a one step thing so i'm like the fact that he made it so public and was like oh but i won't read it out to you or whatever i would just if i was stephanie i'd just be like it's fake it's fake i know it's fake he'd show it if it was fake he'd make it a real thing if or he'd show it if it were real you know and and the fact that he won't it felt obvious to me but i don't know i guess because we're watching it we've known about it for like two months that it's fake the problem is that you're too still too scared in that moment so even though you're like it's probably fake you're like that's fine if no votes are falling on you then you're like okay well let's all vote for him anyways because i know that they're not voting for me but if there's if you have an inkling that they're voting for you you can't afford to take that risk you're like maybe it is real then the off chance that it is real that's why the advantages are so powerful is because you're like i have to play like ryan took off for two hours in the woods i have to now play like he has an idol like i just have to assume he has it or has something and now i have to navigate the game believing that he has something and so i think like even in that moment when you are pretty certain it's not real because he's just flexing so hard you're like well maybe it is it's also rick he's like he's been boisterous on previous seasons with idols and stuff so who who who's to say um i wonder how much how much do you think like the adam klein situation was in their heads at the time like because i remember probe said afterwards in an interview like we're not into the business of hiding things at tribal we don't want people tearing apart the the tribal council area um i think you're right i think you're right i think you're right i think you're right even said there will never be an idol at tribal council yeah and when jeff probe speaks like that doesn't change so um i don't know because he said they'll never be an all-winner season right yes i said they're not going to do anymore all returning players uh from past from pre-season 40 um yeah so just wonder if that was in their heads yeah i believe that it would be in their heads but i don't know how much stock they would put into it um and also i think south africa somebody had told us had an idol at tribal council and that's where adam actually was inspired to look around and so you have to think like if i'm watching winners at war and adam goes for that i'm like oh well probably in the future now after that's happened they're going to put an idol somewhere in tribal council so part of me would be like oh now there's a more real possibility that that could happen um and he sold it well like rick got up he's like i i wouldn't have thought of the fact that like hey i had a clue like i thought in the back of my mind he was just going to like spot it or something he he had the wherewithal with his heart probably racing through his chest as joe's talking about mike tyson to calm down and say no this is what i'm going to say i'm going to say that i had a clue and now i'm going to get it uh so it was highly composed from rick there and uh he deserves a lot of credit for coming up with the idea and executing on it and there's no doubt i know we're going back and forth a little bit of if how many votes have changed there's no doubt some votes were changed because of it so hats off to devins yeah there were definitely some votes changed i also want to make note of when the scramble starts happening rick he's not playing nice with jonathan or the other side now he's like take note of who's talking to to who here and then you'll you'll understand who's with who at camp and i kind of liked how jonathan shot it back and was like you know you're doing the same yeah so jonathan did shoot it back and uh i love those moments i thought that that was astute of rick and also like maybe a good thing to point out but then jonathan's like you're doing it too so uh not that it maybe mattered but i those are small moments on survivor where you can see where the lines are and they're kind of fully exposed at that moment um and coach with some memorable quotes no mere immortal this is obviously a just kind of you know taking notes on it so it's not a hundred percent no mere mortal can keep a secret betrayal oozes from their pores if the lip if the lips are silent the fingertips are chattering betrayal oozes out of every pore that's actually a real sigmund freud quote it is uh yeah i looked it up it uh it is freud uh and then the the subsequent one from magellan that what came up is the survivor 50 trailer where he's where they lifted that quote and included it it was coach yeah so i don't we don't know if magellan actually said any of that but uh the other one is a lot of quotes this episode from people including the war dog yeah yeah which i haven't heard the war dog name for a long time i know so he's back he finally made it back on survivor like he always wanted that's true yeah and i think this is the headline from this episode that the war dog is back um we coach was also doing like a charlie uh in the chocolate factory song he's like no no that's not it and it's like the montage of of coach doing like the oompa loompa like yeah song before they went to tribal was perfect let me see do i have the lyrics i love to be the dragon slayer i'm going to tribal tonight but i won't go down without a fight that doesn't rhyme tonight he rhymes tonight with tonight it's i mean it's those people who doubt me will get their come up and so then he's like oh yeah those people that doubt me will get their comeuppance somebody i know at one time uh did a rap one time and they rhymed bluffs with buffs uh so it happens you know it's uh it does happen all the great lyricists have a little stumble and so this was coaches the rap with the bluff and buff that was somebody else another a rapper exactly to quote famous lyricist john lennon it happens sometimes sometimes it happens don't look that up that wasn't an economist who said that a financial was the famous economist yeah yeah i think both it was both and so i don't word for word they're a little different so i don't know who was this exact one it's good when you list multiple choice to your own quote uh or it was either lennon or napoleon who knows multiple choice and to summarize it was one of these three um jeff should have had chrissy and coach exit together one torch or two torches at the same time just go stand there in front bam bam that's the double mint two snuffers even double shit yeah how do you decide why he he was so specific you know he's like chrissy you're first it's like yeah why to give coach the hero sendoff i i do think that is the answer but you know i think it will like does chrissy get 13th place and then coach gets 12th or do you know is that fair that doesn't feel fair it doesn't feel fair but it feels like that's how the pay scale will go i don't think they ever really pay people the same even in those moments like yeah for the pay scale that should definitely be split up 50 50 they should each get i went home the same night as james in heroes versus villains and got paid less wait what didn't they go to travel first no we went to travel first oh you did that's right because then all all the remainers got to watch and eat hot dogs yeah yeah i don't either didn't happen we still we still know how how no one knows how you got uh went home on heroes versus villains i do but only like 20 of people believe it um we before we get to riley's reads ryan favorite coach moment of uh the season favorite coach moment of the season i i honestly really didn't i'm not being a prisoner the moment i enjoyed the song uh i thought that was really good um the haikus were good i love oh you know what it had to be when uh camilla was like really sad when kyle exited and they were like oh man like kyle like like, great guy, like, winner, like, what do you think of that? And Coach was like, I need to clear up that Ozzy lied about the key challenge. Are we not talking about me right now? Let's bring it back. Wait, what do you mean a guy who just won this game, who everybody was saying was a huge threat, really had a really, really crushing injury in the last challenge? Doesn't matter. Let's talk about the key challenge. Q, you were there. You remember. Everybody remembers. Mike White did not tell that. So, I mean, that was great. It's like, we're back. You know, we're back. Also, like, you getting stranded in the ocean, that was good. So good. That was so good. I mean, he, like, and he has a certain nostalgia to me. Like, when I see him, like, it makes me nostalgic. Like, I remember what grade I was in, what year I was in, when, like, I was watching Coach 1.0. Like, Survivor is still posting clips of you talking to him. Like, don't do Tai Chi in front of people. Like, I was like, oh, my God, I forgot that that was one of the bits of advice. So, it's just like, he is a connection. He's a connection to a lot of people's lives just from him having these huge moments. So, I'm happy that he had a lot of those moments this season. And it should not be forgotten. Preseason, he had the most flowers thrown on him by this cast. Like, they wanted to work with Coach. So much so that, like, I know people in the press made him their winner picks. So, I mean, people wanted to work with him. And I think he would say, you know what? Like, that. What else was I supposed to do? I had to be big. I had to play loud. Because then if I played any otherwise, I'm being disingenuous and people are going to clock that. So, yeah, I enjoyed having Coach back. I thought it was a great get for 50. And it was the exact type of person that I think Survivor fans wanted to see back on a season like this. Do the same thing for Chrissy now. One of the things that Chrissy and I bonded with in 35 was that it was a big deal for us to be out there. I know it was a big deal for her to be out there on 50 even more so, I'm sure. But then she kind of went after me in the press. So, it's just like, you know, through the lens of Rizzo. So, I don't know, you know, how much sympathy I have. We haven't spoken in a really long time. But from what I do. Don't come for our baby Ryan. Do not come for our baby Ryan. I mean, the problem with it was, like, she. I get, like, she's all hyped up preseason saying, you know, things about me, whatever. But I think, pretty sure she came back and did an interview after the season and continued. That train. So, it's just like, you know, I have nothing to do with this. Like, it's been eight years. And it kind of came through that maybe. And coach as well. It's just like you're reverting back to the old habits, right? But with that being said, I know it was a big deal for her to be out there. There's no question about that. And she's a competitor, right? And, you know, we made it to the end together in 35, I thought. In part because we dug our heels in and we didn't give up. We were on the outs on final nine. And if she got through this vote, she wouldn't have given up. She doesn't quit. So. Yeah. I do hope she had a good experience. It seemed it might be tough, but survivor's tough. But I know that it was a big deal for her to be out there at the end of the day. Yeah, I agree. I think they both exited kind of saying that it was healing. Do we believe that? Are they healed? Are both of them healed? When you lose that final tribal, it is a certain kind of sting. Like, you're not. Every jury member that I've encountered, that I encountered in my season was voted out because they were the biggest threat. And like, oh, I would have won, but, you know. And then, like, jury members were saying, oh, I would have gone to the end with Ryan and Chrissy when they made no effort to work with us. Like, okay, like, yeah, you're just picturing yourself as the winner and placing yourself in that position. So it does sting, right? And that's the first thing that coach talked about with Ozzy. They got right back into it in South Pacific. They hit that beach. They started talking about South Pacific, how I should have won. And, you know, you cost me. So when you're told specifically. Specifically why you're not going to win, it stings. So for any final tribal loser, and there were several of them out there, even Charlie, like, you know, that got in his head as well. So it's always in the back of your mind. It cuts a little bit different. So going back, you're trying to heal those things, I think more so than somebody who, you know, got seventh place and was the ex-member of the jury. So I hope it was healing. And it seemed like, to coach, he takes the game with a certain reverence that I respect, and I think Chrissy does as well. Yeah, okay. So do you have anything to add to that question, Harold, or the Wolf of Quiet Pines, any reflection on coach or Chrissy? I just got to remember, I think, my favorite quote from him this season, which is, "Yesterday's enemy is tomorrow's adversary, and today's adversary is tomorrow's enemy." And I probably misquoted that, but I think that's in the spirit of coach. So it's allowed. Yeah, okay. I like that, too. Oh, Ashley. Beautiful. I don't have much to say. That was, it's, I'll say this. I always notice Chrissy in every episode, even when the camera barely showed her. And she really did seem to try to make a lot of connections out there. I wish you would have saw more from her. I wish that we could have saw, you know, any type of alliances that she had with other, other people other than, like, coach and the, the four horsemen and everybody. Um, I think she did great for what she did, you know, and of course, coach is the, the dragon slayer. And I just think he's really funny when he lies and he gets caught in a lie. So he needs to work on that. And then gets mad that they're attacking his honorability. Yeah, he's funny. He is funny. Um, I loved this season. How pleased coach was. How pleased coach was with his own antics, like just giggling at the haikus he was coming up with and the songs and, and then being like, oh, it doesn't rhyme. And then rhyming tonight with tonight and being like, that's the cherry on top of that masterpiece. Got it again. It's like, so it was, I somehow salvaged it. I somehow, somehow I did it. Uh, let's go to Riley's reads. Riley. What do we have? All right. Who advanced their game the most this episode? I think the middle people, the middle people, although I don't think coach and Chrissy were bad to keep around for even the middle people. Um, they definitely did hit the numbers of the, that honorable group. So I don't know necessarily strategy wise. Like, I think if I would have been there and not with that group, I probably would. Just been like, ah, either one, you know, I don't know, unless you're locked in tight with Aubrey and Rick, I literally would have just gone with whatever I thought the majority was. Sounds like you're, you're one of the, like, you're like in the middle of the middle people. I am. That's the sweet spot, dude. That is the sweet. It is gross. No, no honor integrity at all. You're like the middlest middle. I know it's gross, uh, to say, but, uh, I think, uh, I mean, I really think the only people that. Really benefited from coach and Chrissy going home were whoever coach and Chrissy were targeting. Other than that, I think it was a bad move. Uh, I do believe that Suri, uh, not playing in the challenge, not hindering anybody going to exile and then coming back and having everybody just kind of like, be like, oh, she is making sense. And then it actually did like coach and Chrissy did go home. It was probably good for her. I'll say Suri, I guess, Ryan, who you got? I think, I think Tiff, um, you know, she was so obvious. I'm switching mine to Tiffany. Okay. Um, that's what, that's why you're the assistant coach. Uh, you know, um, yeah, I, I, I thought Tiff had a, an incredible episode. Um, she has so much resolve. She's a tremendous competitor. Right. And, and even so winning that immunity challenge, she said she never won immunity before. So like, you're not going. Yeah. To do a challenge like this is my challenge to win. So to, to dig your heels in like that. And I mean, the middle people are just becoming the people at this point. That's a huge upgrade for them. So, uh, being able to join them, I'm sure. And now Steph and Jonathan and Joe are going to be on the outs. I think she really worked herself back in well, which is, I mean, we've seen it so many times. So somebody just like spiral out of control. So the composure she had throughout the episode, I think was really impressive. Yep. Ashley. Um, I'm giving it either, you know, I'm giving it both to Suri and Tiff, of course. Tiff's like amazing. She did everything great this episode. I love it. I'm so happy. And Suri, I feel like she has more control over this game than we can even see, uh, from what they edited on Survivor. Uh, the way she just came back from the exile Island, which is weird because it's exile Island, not just a random journey. And then everyone believed her and she was able to influence the vote according to what we saw on the episode. I just feel like she just has way more control than we think and it continues to build and she continues to not have any blood on her hands whenever the vote goes exactly how she is telling everybody else to go. So I think she's just doing amazing. I like that. Yeah. Riley. Yeah. I think I'm going to go with Tiffany. Um, and you know, especially with the Joe connection to like that part was impressive as well. She's not just, she's not just calling. on her way back with the middle people. She's getting some of the honor and integrity, too. And as we know, that is the most important part of the game. So, impressive episode for her. Okay, so the opposite. Who damaged their game? Ryan, who you got? I would think Jonathan at this point. You know, he's now, I don't know if it's so much damage, but he was a casualty of, you know, the episode ends with him kind of getting into his own kind of thing with Rick. Yeah, so I think he's going to have a little bit of a tough sled. I mean, he's already gotten into arguments with people, you know, with Dee. And he's already shown that, you know, he's not necessarily happy with his spot then. I don't think he's going to be happy with his spot now. I think he made the correct move by siding with Chrissy and Steph and getting in with that honor and integrity alliance. But now, I mean, that alliance is pretty done. So, he's definitely a person who can rely on those immunities, though. But I think he wanted to kind of change his mind a little bit. But unfortunately, maybe he's kind of reverting now into, you know, win-or-lose mode with these challenges. So, I think he was most affected by what happened. Maybe. I mean, Jonathan, I believe, is going to have an uphill battle now. He's lost the majority. He hasn't been so in with the middle people, which has been hard for him. Maybe this connection with Christian is okay. But I have to agree. I think Jonathan. I was thinking Jonathan as well. The four horsemen. Thing is completely over. Jonathan had chosen the integrity alliance over Camilla, Dee, and Tiffany. And now that Tiffany holds more alliances than he does in the entire tribe or the entire, like, merged tribe, he's just in trouble. He's not in a good spot. And if. I don't think Tiffany has forgiven him. So, if Tiffany hasn't forgiven him, then neither has Aubrey. And then Aubrey is not with him. Then it just keeps trickling down. So, he's just, like, in a really bad spot. The integrity and honor group, I don't think it really exists anymore. Yeah, I think Jonathan as well. But I agree with you, Ryan, that it's, like, more as a casualty of, like, what happened this episode than, like, necessarily anything super specific that Jonathan did to blow up his own game. Okay, winner picks. Ryan, who you got? I can go first for. Oh, you want to go first? Well, just because I'm sticking with Seri. Okay. So, it's easy for me. I've had Seri in the, like, you know, great episode for her. I feel like she's so well set up. So, let's go. Okay. Ryan? That's such a wolf of Quiet Pine's answer. I'm going my guy, Rick Devins. You know, Rick, I used to, before my Pod Has Spoken career started, I used to go on a podcast with Rick to discuss football and Survivor. And he's incredibly witty. He's super smart. You know, I think he has a proclivity to find idols and win challenges. I think anybody who is on the bottom, like Rick Devins, can, you know, get right back to the top. He has a unique experience in being voted out. And Tyson, you know, the adrenaline of coming back from Edge of Extinction. Got a second life in the game. He knows what it's like to play with house money. And I'm hoping Rick. He can pull it out. I'm really hoping for that. So, yeah, I'm going with Rick Devins. Okay. Tiff has been my winner pick since the beginning, before the beginning. She is going to win this entire thing. I have been putting so much faith in her. I don't know where I got this faith, but it's there. And Tiff is going to win it. Well, she's definitely turned around this episode. I mean, she's built with Joe now. She's with Joe. She's, and Joe is honorable. Joe will vouch for her. So, hopefully, that kind of fans out a little bit. She's with Aubrey already. So, she's got Aubrey. She's got Joe. Our Aubrey and Devins now connected a little bit because of what they've been through here as the targets. I think that she is definitely building at this point. Like, she is in a upward trajectory of success. So, it was touch and go for the last couple episodes. We're your winner pick, Ashley. But now, she really does seem like she's gotten a second wind. I'll stick with Seri. I think she should have definitely been more heavily targeted at this point as sitting out going to extinction, coming back. Not one single person is like, oh, and she probably also has an idol because she went there. Like, everybody just takes her word for exactly what happened. She did tell the truth about what happened. But every single other time that someone's come back on their own little journey, even if they do tell the truth, people are not believing. So, the fact that everybody's just like, well, Seri's told the truth. Thank you for, we don't need to question it. We don't need to have another conversation about it. We don't need to suspect anything. It's great to have Seri. It's crazy. Crazy reaction that not one person was like, could she have more? Someone must have. Yeah, right? 2,000 coconuts? Yeah, exactly. What are the likelihood that the Survivor production is going to take the time to do 2,000 coconuts? It was probably 30. Like, nobody questioned anything about her story at all. Riley, you think that we just didn't see it? I'm sure somebody said something behind the scenes. But it's also like she did get, like, the advantages. You know, she doesn't spend the night at exile and she comes back and she gets a vote. And she's immune. Like, you can't even vote for her. Yeah. You know, so that's fairly believable that maybe she didn't get anything on top of all of that. Right. She'd just come back anyway and if she wasn't immune and was like, yeah, you can't vote for me, I'm immune. It's like, you know, who's going to verify that? Yeah, totally. I got immunity until the final three. Sorry. Yeah. Nice. That's how it is. Yeah. There's a close twist. Like, the fans voted for it. The parchment. Like, flew off while we were on the boat ride back. Sorry. But you just gotta. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. They told me to tell you guys. What else we got, Riley? All right. Let's do who's going home next week. Ryan, who you got? I'm going to go with Steph. You know, Steph's really one of my favorite players of all time. Like, Palau's one of my favorite seasons. I think she has the best underdog. Game of all time. Tribal won. I think she's got one of the best dominant performances in Guatemala. She's from New Jersey. I thought it was the coolest thing as a kid watching her. She's an absolute legend to me. She's shown on this season that she's still got it. She's a physical competitor to everybody. Like, even in the earlier parts of the season where everybody was like, well, why don't you vote Steph? Steph's sitting right there. Well, maybe people like being around Steph. Maybe people have good conversations with Steph. Maybe people think she's really strong. All of which are true. But I think this is a really difficult hand right now. She was firmly with the coach and Chrissy, Honorable Integrity Alliance. And, you know, she might not have as many inroads at this point as others do. I guess she really has to try and work back in with Seri. But she's a strong competitor. But it's a tough hand at this point for her. So I'll go with her. I think Emily is cooked. Because now that there's no distractions, there's no coach to start, you know, giving speeches about no lying in front of everybody. People are going to start noticing all the chaos that Emily drops every time she reveals more and more conversations to everybody else. And I think she's cooked. Like, if she continues her gameplay, even just for like one night, and she tells someone else about, I don't know, if Rick accidentally tells her about the fake idol, she will tell everybody. Why would you want to play with that right now? So I think she's cooked. I like your pick more than mine, Ashley. But I'm going to still say, mine, I think Jonathan, for the same reasons that he didn't necessarily make blunders, but it was worse for his game to have Chrissy and Coach go. He's strong. He's a physical competitor. I think people will say, okay, we're at the individual game now. Let's get rid of some challenge threats. And what better challenge threat than Jonathan, especially now that he doesn't have the numbers. Let's just take care of him before he goes on one of those infamous, immunity runs. I could see it also being Ozzy, except for that he has an idol. They know where it is. And he's locked in tighter with a group that is pretty under the radar currently. So I think Jonathan could be at risk. I also have Jonathan. It's for similar reasons. And then also thinking that those two people who just got put on the jury were locked in with him. So you got to start thinking a little bit about that too. I mean, obviously we're going to put a lot of other players on the jury and, you know, coaching Chrissy's votes wouldn't win anybody the million on their own. But I don't know. You just look at the two people going one night. I mean, you got to think about it a little bit. And also Jonathan's the only person who voted incorrectly. This tribal who's still around. So, you know, you made two enemies with your one vote. - Smart. - This tribal. And so, yeah, so he just voted, right, he voted, he was the Devens-Aubrey vote. Right. So. That's tricky. I mean, he probably told Coach and Chrissy he wasn't going to write their name down. So even if he felt like it was going that direction, which probably wins the jury votes a little bit, but everybody else hates it. So, anything else? That's all from me. Do we have, Ryan, any last words about the episode or anything before we shut this thing down? No, thanks for having me. As you said at the top, you had to dust me off a little bit. And, you know, I watched this season in part because it's Survivor 50, but I was super excited to hop on here and talk with you guys. And, yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks for thinking of me. And thanks for, you know, having me on. Yeah, I was so excited when you responded back to me. And sorry for. Pulling you back into the community. Now your life is, again, going to be mostly plagued by thoughts of your Survivor experience. So you can go ahead and quit whatever things you're working on now to just ruminate over how things could have been different for probably the trajectory of your life, everyone's life around you, our lives. Yeah, but losing on a reality show nine years ago still has a lot of weight. Like, you know. It opens a lot of doors. So it's good. This has been a really good reminder of it. Good. Well, I'm glad. And you're a regular now on The Pod Has Spoken. So you will get more invites from me. Thank you so much for your time and energy, Ryan. We loved having you. Big fan of your time on Survivor back in season 35. Ashley, thank you for making us look, sound amazing, as well as your input. And the Wolf of Quiet Pines. Riley, when are you going to get your name legally changed? Is that this week? I already did. I already did. Yeah. It's in the Yellow Pages. Okay. Well, you heard it here. You can find the Wolf of Quiet Pines in the Yellow Pages if you ever need to give them a phone call. Till next. Well, till tomorrow. We have double exit press. Until then. See ya. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Get your first order over $25 delivered free. Terms apply.