Recapping ‘Survivor 50’ Episode 6! | The Pod Has Spoken

ДИНАМИЧНАЯ МУЗЫКА ДИНАМИЧНАЯ МУЗЫКА -Welcome back to the podcast, Spoken, another episode breakdown. I would have renamed this episode "Bad Blood Moon" instead of just blood moon. It was right there for the taking. Take it. Come on, Jeff, you're gonna wrap. You can do impressions. And you're not gonna say a bad blood moon. That's just like layers and levels. Come on. Anyways, it was a merge. It was a merge-ish merge episode. And we're very excited to be here with one of our very good friends, winner of season 47, Rachel Lamont. Rachel, how are you? Where are you at right now? -Oh, are you glad to say? -I'm in mourning. That's where I am. -You're in mourning? -Yes, we were wearing black today. I actually wanted to bail, but I forgot it. -Oh, my God. -And, you know, this is my girl. This is my bestie. This is the person that I thought and still think could have won the season. And so we're to get to lose Genevieve like this is it's brutal. I don't think she had a single, single stroke of luck, this entire game. And that is a really, you know, and was still in a very good position despite that. You know, so, yeah, very upset. Well, let's get into it. You, on your season, were battling Genevieve. You were the Aubrey. You were her Aubrey on season 47, not quite as tense maybe, but you were openly targeting each other. You knew you were against each other like what? Was she your bestie then? -She was not my bestie then, but I will say that I don't think that the relationship that I had with her was one where that seemed as emotional intense. ours was a more gamesies game rivalry. It was coming into the merge where we had kind of separate factions already. There were predetermined relationships that kind of like didn't lend itself to us working together. I feel like Aubrey and Genevieve from the jump had a lot of issues and it seemed like, you know, anybody that comes to you on day two and says, come to you, come in to you saying, I want to work with you and you just kind of give them the side eye and say, I don't know that I'm going to think about it. I don't know if I could trust you. That, if Genevieve had been on my starting tribe, that is not how we would have started. So I think that it was a little bit of circumstance and a little bit more of, in my opinion, a respectful rivalry instead of kind of a confusing one. -So is that where the Aubrey Genevieve thing materialized? Is that early when Genevieve said, can we work together and Aubrey said, I'll have to see if we can? -Yeah, I mean, if you think about the dynamics on the first couple days of Survivor, if someone comes to you and says they want to work with you, who is closing the door? We heard Aubrey say the door is closed, but she was on the shut the damn door. So like, what are we doing? You know, I don't, I know that I would have trouble trusting anybody who just took my openness and my vulnerability that early in the game and just kind of said, I don't know, I don't know. You seem dangerous. I'm going to tell everyone you're dangerous. It doesn't feel like that was ever a path for them, but I don't know that that was on Genevieve. -Well, Penner famously, when an approach to being an alliance, said he would have to think on it and then they just voted him out. And I do believe like if somebody comes to you with something, you just have to say, yes, whether you believe it for yourself or not, not accepting is a crazy, is a crazy answer. -Yes, particularly that early. Like again, it's one thing if you get to a place in the game where there's a lot of other dynamics at play, but that early, you should be saying yes to every option. I mean, that was, in my opinion, why John Lovett went home on our season first because he was very closed off, he was not, like, people want you to feel like you have some skin in the game. If I'm saying Tyson, I want to work with you and you're kind of like, I'll take that into consideration. Like, now I've given you something that you can use against me to other people and you've given me nothing. So why am I ever going to like feel like we have some kind of dynamic that I can put trust in? You're not giving me your view of the future except that it's not going to include me. -Right. Right. Or maybe it is, but it's like too late now. -Yeah. Changing your mind later, you've kind of already burned the bridge. -Yeah. It's, I'm wondering if there is something to that if you're telling everyone that or if that's still bad gameplay. If it's well known that, like, I'm going to sit back and I'm just like taking it one day at a time and we're not going to tribal council yet. So I'm open and willing to like do whatever. But let me just make up my mind when it's going to matter. Like is there an approach that that is good or no? -No, because I think if you wait until tribal, not to like harp on John Lovett, but he waited until the after we lost the community challenge to come to me and say, "Well, you, me, Andy, and Anika can work together," that at that point just feels like you're just desperate because you feel like you're in a bad spot and you didn't want to commit until you had to. And I don't think that instills trust either. So I think you just need to kind of figure out your options in your head and make everybody think that you're part of their plan until you need to actually decide otherwise. -Right. -Well, let's get into this episode here. This is our memorial to Genevieve and the two other fallen of true memorial to Colby as the episode played. -Yeah. -Yes. -Prettyl episode. -Beautiful people tonight. -Yeah, we sure did. And we open with the boats. They're coming and something's happening and Vatu is prepping for the other tribes to show up on their beach. And Ozzy decides he needs to start advertising to the world that he has an idol. So he pulls Emily and he pulls Christian and you're like, "Okay, I don't hate it. Is that, is, I don't know. I don't know with these idols, with the Billy Eilish boomerang idols. Are you just, indeed, just have to tell everybody all the time because you know somebody already knows. -Yeah. That one's tricky. I think sort of, I think if you're coming into the merge and you feel like it's painting a target on your back, and I mean, he also doesn't know that that entire starting tribe all knew that Genevieve gave him that idol, right? -Right. -So he is taking sort of a stab here, I think. And, but I don't hate it. I don't hate it for, I think Ozzy is playing like a pretty good game. It feels like he is, it feels more strategic than I feel like we've seen Ozzy play in the past. I think, because we saw him with Yule on his first season and he was along with the strategy. I feel like he has a layer of strategy to him, but he defaults back to the provider and also whether he needs it emotionally or mentally or something does distance himself at times. And it might be on purpose, I don't know, because every single podcast and every single media outlet that covers survivor says, "Do not go fishing, stay with the majority of the group." We've been saying that for 15 years. And Ozzy has definitely heard that, but still chooses to go fishing. -Yeah. -Yeah. -So I have to assume he either needs to go fishing because he's unable to not go fishing and still function in whatever social dynamic he has. Like he needs a break from it maybe because he's a little bit of an introvert or he just does not care. -Which do you think it is? Like do you know him in real life? -I know him in real life. I think he needs an escape. I think he needs to have his moments where he's just by himself and being in the ocean like that is pretty soothing. -So amazing. I only want fishing ones because like he said, you're not supposed to do it. And it was so, so awesome. Like you just, yeah, you really can disconnect from the game for a little bit. But you're also actually disconnected from the game for a little bit. -Yeah. Yeah. -You're the one that everybody on the beach is watching by yourself out there. And they're like, "Should we talk about that person because they're gone?" So I think it is. I think he needs it. And so if he knows that he needs that to like maintain his sanity in the social chaos, then I guess you just have to like take your chances there. -Yeah. -Everyone shows up. And we get this funny moment of Genevieve telling absolutely everyone about Aubrey's idol. -I loved it. It was her and then it was everyone else continuing. It was we were watching a telephone game and it was like, have you heard, have you heard, have you heard from every corner? -Yeah. I did hear that. Oh, yeah, I did hear that. Oh, we told you. Oh, so and so. And it just started. to everybody's secrets, and how do you keep a secret on survivor if you have told somebody, you have to assume other people know, and you have to play that way, is there? You can't trust that somebody is keeping your secret. No, I think if you tell anyone, I mean, the funny part is is that, you know, we see kind of the foil here. It's like the Aussie Idol from Genevieve getting everywhere, and then the Rizzo Idol from Genevieve going nowhere. And I think that those are the two options. It's a binary choice. It's either everyone is going to know or nobody's going to know. And you don't, once you break that once, you can't put it back in the box. Yeah, yeah, that's, and I'm like thinking, I understand viewers at home are saying, never tell anybody, but it builds trust with the people you actually tell if you tell them before they hear it from somebody else. And you have so little out there, like a fun little secret is just so fun to share with somebody who you feel like is your best friend out there. It's just like so hard to not. And if they come to you and give you a secret, you're like, I also have a secret that's like feels so good. There's so much to it. But I would love for somebody. Just go out there. Syrie is actually really good at this at just keeping her mouth shut. Just how do you feel about her telling Rizzo about her extra vote? That was weird. That was weird for Syrie. But but I also believe that she knew Aussie already knows if there's a chance that Aussie ever passes that information to Rizzo, then she's not going to have Rizzo. So it's one of those things where it's like somebody already knows about it. So now I have to assume I have to use it for myself rather than have Aussie use it for himself, that information. So I think that it was measured. And you just have to trust Syrie with like the flow of information. Like if she if she's making the call that like it's good to tell this person this, I'm like, I just trust Syrie to note that's whatever. Whatever Syrie does is probably better than what I would do or more correct. Yeah. I think she's usually very good about not she's very good about not spilling her secrets and not spilling her allies secrets unless she feels like she has to spill their secrets. There's so many people here. I mean, you see like Rizzo go to her and be like, Hey, there's an old-school alliance. Genevieve told me and every but like every thing, it's like not even just Abrizadal. It's all the advantages and the only one that kind of we think is still secret is that extra vote. Like Rizzo knows about it and Aussie knows about it and Syrie has it. But everything else, even Rizzo being like, I have an idol and never is like, yeah, he knew. We knew that you had an idol. We don't know where it came from. Did you like Genevieve not admitting to Rizzo that she gave it to him when he assumed she gave it to him? Absolutely, because I think they were already aligned from their original tribe and so he already trust her and they're already passing other information around. And now she has the choice of trying, you know, she could have tried to stab him in the back and got the idol back. And then no one knows she has the idol. The problem with the fact that, and I would love to talk about this, Devon's pretending he sent the idol thing to offer you because I do not understand this from Devon's point of view. But the problem is, is that Abri goes, Oh, now everyone's looking at Devon's because they think he has an idol when he doesn't. That's not good. So I think Genevieve keeping that option open of, I already have this trust. I don't need to spill more secrets in order to get to another level there. But if push comes to shove and it works for me to blindside Rizzo, I get a secret idol that literally nobody knows about. I think it's very smart. And she can actually use it as leverage to be like, Rizzo, I think so and so gave you the idol. Like, maybe they're targeting you. Like there's multiple ways you could approach that. Absolutely. Get him to start going crazy. Plus, it looks way more suspicious. If Devon's or Christian, all of a sudden want to start targeting Abri, it's much more suspicious that people are going to say, well, they just want to get that damn idol back. Like they're over playing. They're playing too hard. And she can now push Rizzo without any, anybody thinking twice about it. Right. Do we think that when, if, if the idol boomerings back, and we haven't called it the Billie Eilish idol, like we're supposed to. So sorry, sorry, CBS. Yeah. It's William. I lash from LinkedIn. That's that's who we think signed off on this thing. Sorry, William. But like if it boomerings back, does it retain this characteristic where you can't transfer it to somebody else or play it on somebody else, which is a good question unique to this idol? Because then that's where we have to ask Billie Eilish because she's probably the only one that know because she came up with this whole thing. So we'll try and get her on the phone. She's a survivor fan. So Rachel, you should be able to reach out to her on social media and see. Yeah, I'm not sure that works like that. But maybe she'll, she'll answer, you know, her and Genevieve can make up because I think she owes her one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting question. I will find out the answer to that because it would be interesting if like so let's say Aubrey goes home. Yeah. And the idol boomerings back to Christians, but everybody thinks it's Devons. And if they're in there's like a scenario where people want to target one of those two, it might be like, well, Devons has the idol and he can't even play it on Christians. We don't have to do a vote split or anything because there's no like, oh, who will he play it on? It's like just automatically presumed while he can only play it on himself. So of course we'll vote Christian here. And then it's actually Christian as the idol. So they'll keep it on the ground because he has his shot in the dark. So there's still not going to be open about targeting Christian. I guess that's true. That's wow. Yeah. We don't have to get so in the middle. My perception is that it's a full idol when it comes back and they don't want it. I think the confusing part would be if it's transferable when you give it that now it's like if you go home and somebody else has it now it's just like screwed everything up. So I would think that it's a full normal idol. I think actually boomerings back, but it is a good question. Yeah. I do agree with that too. Is Jonathan playing different than last time? We see him talk about it quite a bit. He's making bonds with everyone he can, regardless of if he is going to actually actually play the game with them. Yeah. That was interesting that he is the swing vote here, you know, between new school and old school. And ultimately decides old school, which on the one hand, I guess isn't that surprising because if he feels like more of an old school player, but I thought his confessional about like it's not just about honor and integrity. It's about being fluid. It was really interesting. I think that that's a take that I didn't know if Jonathan had until he said that, right? Yeah. So are we going to get to see him betray the honor and a tech integrity group? Well, he didn't just now. So I don't know. He didn't know. He broke his Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He did side with them. This is a result of Camilla blindsiding him last vote. Like, do you think this is a direct result? I don't know if it's the only contributing factor, but it definitely was a factor. There's no way it wasn't a factor. And especially when you had Chrissy coming to him and being like, we're cut from the same cloth. We want to play this game a similar way for someone like Jonathan. I think that does resonate like you look at those old school mentalities, the loyalty, that stuff. I think that you win someone like Jonathan over with a pitch like that. The merge tribe is all there. 17, 17 people running around scrambling. They're so many more fun ideas that we could have had with 17 people on a beach, then breaking them into three of three groups and eliminating three people. Just let them all right. Part of it would be the number one idea vote. A 17 person tribal council. Come on. How can you not do that? Like, you dedicated half an hour to the tribal councils at the end. Let's get a 17 person half an hour long tribal council. Even if they wanted to do three, you go back to back to back with 17 people. Yeah, yes. You know, you vote for the person. You're voting for the second person. Yes. You're voting for the person. Like that would still be more interesting. Yes. I agree. I think that I was really hopeful for that. Like get 17 stumps around the fire at tribal council and do it. That would be a crazy twist. If it's like, Hey, we're doing multiple tribal councils a day. You don't get until this evening. We're going at like 11 a.m. or whatever. You've got like two hours to scramble. That would really throw people off. I think you go and you don't tell them three people are going. You go to tribal council and you say, okay, just keep going. And then they vote and then you read the votes and then you're like, okay, you thought you were going back to camp. But what you're actually going back is your vote. for another person. So have a conversation. And then you vote again. And then you're like, all right, well, it's blood moon. One for the history books. That would have been historic. People will forget this episode. They are not going to look back and say this was historic blood moon craziness. But they would, if Jeff had had a 17 person tribal council and then surprised them by having to vote out again and again. Especially because most of these votes like with with these groupings, it was they're pretty straightforward. You know, it wasn't like the nice. Yeah, you have like Jonathan is the swing or whoever, but a lot of them it was like, all right, there's like a clear, you know, clearly who is going to be our coach. Genevieve was cooked the moment she didn't win immunity. Yeah, absolutely fucked. Yeah. And it was just like, that was all luck. That where you ended up in the group was all luck. Like, are you with an ally to allies? Then you're good. But if you're not, you're in big trouble. And I felt bad. I was like, this is where luck really comes into it. Whoever wins this game will or should look back on this blood moon and been like, I got so lucky there that I ended up in the perfect group for myself. And I know we've hit on like Genevieve getting so unlucky, but like, she also literally found two idols to end up with no idols. No idols. Hey, and the two people, she sent the idols to when two exiles who get there during this episode. Yes. Yeah, great point. Yeah, great. They were saving. He's not getting a night. What if yeah, yeah, if the and the idol came back to her before her tribal council, would they have given it to her? I think they think no, because I think they want to preserve the ability to flip around what the order of those tribal councils that they air. Yeah. You think they you think they filmed in different, uh, in different orders, but Colby sent it because originally, I was they said, there were there was like one going into the final tribal council. Jeff says something like, oh, here it is. The last tribal council the night or whatever. And you can tell it's like dubbed over. Like it doesn't match what's happening on screen. I was curious why they went in that order because normally they go in the order of the challenge. So the first, the group, like the Tiffany group should have gone first. Um, uh, yeah, I also thought that too. And then I, I think Colby's send off was the most emotional and yeah, the most celebratory of the show as far as what he said and he teared up and everybody teared up was emotional. So I do believe I, I also, I mean, great minds. We all thought that same thing because I was like, oh, it's weird that the winner of the rewards, uh, of the reward didn't go last. They went first into the last. Yeah. So I thought it was very odd. We did also hear a lot from Tiffany. Did you like hearing from Tiffany this episode? And Chrissy, Tiffany and Chrissy, we both got a lot more from that was very nice. Um, and yeah, it was nice to just hear from new people that it feels, it feels like their new characters on this season because we just have not seen their perspective at all, you know, um, so yes, I very much enjoyed that. Yeah. Yeah. I, I did too. I was like, Oh, Tiffany's getting more lines. Here we go. And that's scared for a second. So why are they letting her talk so much? It is, it can be scary with nobody's, when they haven't talked for a long time and then they start talking. You're like, uh, oh, and it still could be the build up to an exit. Like who knows, but it could also be the catalyst to their winning run. So you never know, Ashley, they're going to keep us guessing. Um, but then again, Camilla got like one confessional and she went home. So yeah. That's true. That is true. So you don't know. It's, you know, I mean, yeah. Um, although there is a list of people I could have not heard from this episode had been fine, but I'm not going to tell you who I'll tell you after. I'll tell you. I'll tell you after. Now I like to, we like to remain positive over here. Um, so there's a scramble in the jungle and we get a few, a few different, uh, um, approaches. Rizzo does not care. He's like, my odds are slim. So whatever. As he walks or passed it. Yeah. And then gets chosen. It almost worked. Uh-huh. And then gets chosen anyways, which is hilarious. But he did almost find like, I do believe that he was that close to that advantage right there on the pathway where they pans down to it after he walked past. I also argue that running around the jungle is not the way to find something. I actually think going slower and looking more is probably the way to find it. So even though he, I know he said he didn't care or whatever. He wasn't trying very hard. But I think in general, the kind of leisurely, um, scanning is more effective for finding things than, uh, than racing. Yes. Yes. I agree. Christian had the right, uh, would you say landmark tree? Yeah. Something he had like a system. And I honestly as he was going through that, I was like, Oh, he's going to find it. Like how does he not find it? But Aussie again, like he's just like stacking up all these advantages and finding stuff and getting stuff handed to him and saying one for you, one for you. He gets another one and has to go to exile. If you were to find this Rachel, would you be like, this is probably good at the merge? Yeah. I think at that merge, though, I think it is good. I think, you know, especially because he gets to go with somebody. He's not totally alone. I mean, it's not ideal to be out of, um, kind of like meeting new people. But, uh, and I don't know. I don't remember if he found it. He found it before they knew it was a triple, right? But knowing that and hindsight is definitely better. Like who wouldn't want to be if you're not, if you don't have individual immunity, like you don't want to be there. It doesn't matter. Um, well position you're in. Yeah. Well, isn't that the only like, maybe why it is actually kind of bad for Aussie is if he, I mean, he has not been a challenge based on this season. But historically, you know, he would have had a very good chance of winning that immunity. And he does have an idol in this pocket, too. So he's more safe than, than most, uh, you know, there's a lot of people. He also could be targeted for getting for flushing it or, you know, I don't know, those small groups, like any little reason to get you out. Uh, I don't know. I think that's one of those where, you know, like, this is a good, you know, safety without power where you get to leave is a, this is a solid place to be. This is a good challenge for him. Like he could maybe have won this. Like he's historically pretty good at these, like, pain tolerance, balance, he holds still things. But I do believe the advantage of being absent from all of it. Is that nobody even had to say his name. Like nobody's thinking about Aussie in these moments where they're scheming and trying to figure out who to target. Like none of the three groups is like, if Aussie were here, we would go for him, right? Like he's totally absent from everybody's brain. Yeah. Which is I think a good place to be because a lot of times you target someone, maybe it doesn't work out, but then you come back at him the next time you're like, didn't work out. And now they know I'm there. So now I kind of have to push at him again. Aussie's not in any of those conversations. Absolutely. And I think also like he didn't have to make any tough choices. You know, we see the Jonathan had to make, he had to draw a line in the sand between old school and new school. And you don't always want to be put in that position. If this was a normal though, I don't think Jonathan would have would have to have done that. You know, and so it's it's it's in your best interest to also be able to be like, I didn't have a say, like I got to stay neutral and prolong that for like another vote. Do you think that this is really that for Jonathan? I know we heard him say that. Do you think it's going to be as impactful as he believes it will be in him choosing aside? Well, I mean, the advantage is that Tiffany's the only one going back with like serious like like anger towards him. But I'm sure other people that he supposedly was working with. I don't know off the top of my head actually who that is, but do you too right? Yeah. You know, they're they supposedly had this alliance and he just voted out one of their members. So yeah, right. I mean, it is tricky because every every relationship is individual between you and that person. So even Jonathan voting out Camilla, even though D thought they were all three together, he can go to D and be like, and we kind of see this on next time where he's like going back to D and being like, everything's good. We're good. Like, we got to take care. Like, nothing's changed. Like, I think that I mean, they already voted out Charlie and blindsided Jonathan and he just kind of did a similar thing to them. So is he more at fault for that? I don't that's what I I feel like Jonathan is not wrong in his read. I just don't think it's a serious of an offense in other people's eyes as he thinks it could be. Yeah. But who knows? Maybe he's yeah, we'll see. We'll just have to see. Colby's foot hurts. I mean, did we get this? Did I miss this? They said it offhand. - The last episode, she had like a weird minute. mid-challenge confessional where he said like this isn't good because my foot hurts. Like I don't remember what exactly is far from that, but I remember being like that's weird is he could even medevact because they don't normally just insert a confessional like during a challenge and it didn't seem to play into that challenge whatsoever. Right. Right. But we did get him hobbling around looking for the twist. So we get like this beat up Colby who's just like, you know, half his lifetime ago is when he played the first time and it's just like, I think that that's the art of survivor editing is just like Colby's talking about how long ago it was he played and we want to show him trying to play, but also like, you know, it takes its toll. And so I thought that that was the silver fox though. Let me tell you. Yes, yes, he hasn't lost a bit of his good looks at all. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Mallory. Our friend Mallory Rubin agrees with you. So yeah, did Ozzy make the right choice in taking Rizzo to exile that? I don't know. I don't. He said that he picked him because he felt like he was on the outs. Yes. Well, he wanted someone that wasn't either tied to him or targeted by him. That was Ozzy's reasoning was I want someone who doesn't, people don't see as my ally and don't see as my enemy, someone whose people are going to be mostly neutral on when I select that. Which makes sense because Rizzo's got his hand a lot of pies. So I think a lot of people are probably happy that he's safe and then, yeah, taking someone away that people are trying to target makes it feel like you stopped me from getting them out. So it's, I think it's a, yeah, another solid read by Ozzy probably any had the chance to because he already knew about Rizzo's idol from three and three had vouched for Rizzo. This is kind of a good chance for him to be like, well, if Rizzo's actually locked in with us, he'll share that information with me and he just waits and then Rizzo does. And so it does kind of lock in another ally for him. I think it's actually like quite a good move because this is a tough, this is like the real disadvantage, I think is having to pick somebody to go with you to exile. Yeah, it's rough. Everyone reads into it. Yeah, everyone reads into it. There's a lot of ways to make that decision very incorrectly. And this feels like it's fine. Seriza Polly Partners got to a bond on exile. And I believe that Seriza set that up and we didn't see it on camera. I'm sure. I believe that Seriza said Ozzy got to get closer to Rizzo because he's my guy. And the three of us will be a force. Yeah. Correct. Correct. That's what I think we did not see in the edit. Let's go to the challenge. We get the mention of Blood Moon, I don't know, a thousand times maybe the second half of this episode. It's a lot of Blood Moon. As many Billy Eilish boomerang idols have been said, that many Blood Moons have been said in the clips is because I didn't tell this episode. I for sure know the clips is, but there's different kinds of eclipse and we maintain that a total solar eclipse is the best of all eclipses. A Blood Moon is when the earth is in between the sun and the moon perfectly. So the shade from the earth covers the moon, making it a darker color. And that's all well and good. But until you see the moon, totally block out the sun in the middle of the day, that's when your life changes. So Blood Moon, all well and good. I did like it. Tribal counts will every time Jeff was like, it's a Blood Moon. Everybody looked up in the sky, like you can even see the sky with all the camera lights on your faces. Just like everybody's constantly like, yeah, Blood Moon, like they couldn't see it. So they changed like the tribal like colors or something, like put like red like as a lighting or something, like just did something extra for Blood Moon. I think they did that at Tribal Council. They made the lighting extra of reddish. Yeah. Should have showered them with blood. They should have just like fire hoses. What kind of blood would you choose for that, Rachel? Would I choose for that, huh? Yeah. Just like synthetic or you'd go with something natural. I mean, yeah, if I could choose synthetic, then certainly synthetic, but, you know, maybe like mosquito blood, okay, which mosquito blood or that human blood from mosquitoes. I guess that's human blood. Yeah. Yeah. Don't clip that. Okay. Okay. Well, you heard that you're first Rachel waiting more on mosquitoes. That is, that is, I will stand on that, you know, I can hold that. If I want one extinct thing on this universe, it's mosquitoes. And not, listen, playing devil's advocate here though, mosquitoes do control populations by spreading disease. So if mosquitoes go extinct, then do other things go extinct because they get over populated now. Yeah, but I think that's a problem we've already have that will just continue. We're just excited. But the compounding interest from losing mosquitoes is going to like really escalate until we do it. We'll never fully know like introducing a new species to a new ecosystem. So yeah, back at the challenge, Jeff talks about the blood moon and three people going home for the first time ever in survivor history and I already had forgotten about it until I just read it in my notes again. I do not think that this will be as impactful in the history books of survivor 20 years from now as Jeff made it sound. I think we'll remember that someone that found two idols had no idols when she desperately needed a fucking idol. Yeah. Like that example will take away from this episode. Okay. Okay. So that I can agree with. And before we get into the challenge, Applebees is back. Did the Applebees commercial from Jeff make you want to go to Applebees more? It looks kind of good. I got to say. What was the last time? What was the last time everyone here had Applebees? I do not remember the last time I've been to Applebees. I think I had relatives that would come into town when I was a child and like to do like Sunday brunch or something at Applebees is that of, is that a thing people did in the 90s? Probably. I don't know. I do not remember going to an Applebees. My season, a bunch of people visited Detroit last summer and we went to go eat and we were walking into like a burger joint and then someone was like, there's an Applebees right next door. We should do it for the bit and we ate an Applebees and it was fine. And the bill took 45 minutes to get to us and I was like, this fucking sucks. That's so European of them to let you just sit and chat for a long time. Yeah. Okay. Applebees. I don't know. Jeff went on for a long time about all of that food. He was purposely trying to torture those people with the bacon talk and all of that. And I think it's one of those things like the, the country singer guy that was on a couple episodes ago where I think if you're there at the moment, Zach Brown, I always want to say Luke Brown. Yeah. It's Luke Brian, right? Like there's so many. Yeah. They all have similar ways. Yeah. So Zach, Zach Brown, Zach Brown, we all said it went on too long, but then we had contestants say it was the greatest day of their life. And we also, you know, you imagine yourself being there, okay? I'll tell the game. They said that Tyson. They said that outside the game. Colby told me that it was the best reward he's ever had outside of the game. He'd message me and told me that coach also. I think it said something similar. And. But then didn't Jeff say this is the biggest reward at the season? No. Like just the Applebees. The Applebees. Yes. Sorry, Zach Brown. All right. Yep. Yep. Applebees is a corporation, dude. You're going to just like, was Zach Brown's one man? So. Do you think Zach Brown's episode would have been more special if he brought out Applebees instead of the guitar? A double whammy. Yeah. He's like, and then he gives us a song about Applebees. You see? Dude, the pitch. And then he's like all of a sudden the pitch man for Applebees is a synergy. That's how these corporations thrive off of all this synergy. They could have synergized. They dropped the ball. No synergy between Zach Brown, Applebees, and Survivor. What could have been the Zach Brown bourbon burger only at Applebees? See? It works. It flows. Yeah. I thought Jeff went on a little long about the food, but I don't know. Jeff never did the sexy voice when I was on Survivor. Like that wasn't a thing where Jeff was like, here we go. You're ready for it or are you not ready for it? We have melted gooey cheese. And you're like, this is turning me off. I do not like the tone around food. So it's, new era is probably different. I don't know. Do you feel a way about this voice, Rachel? I'm curious how it felt in the moment because I think normally when he's describing the food, it's a short description. And so the, I don't know if I'm going to call it a sexy voice, but the Jeff food voice, it does get you like a little hyped up because you're, all you do is talk about food all frickin' that you know this. And so it's like actually hearing the description of real food that you could possibly eat is, it is very impactful. But that was really long. So I do wonder if at some point you're just kind of like, okay, just let me like try to win the damn thing. Yeah, can we play for it now? I'm ready. Did you all notice how excited Camilla was though? Because I feel like every single time he, he mentioned the bacon, the cheese, your yes from Camilla. And I think that is so sweet of her. She's awesome. Yeah, I do think at some point in some people's minds, you really, really, really have to have food. And you can tell those moments. And even as a viewer, you can tell those moments where like that person really wants the food. You know, who didn't really want the food? Um, Dee, she wins her, she wins her leg and then she's like, I'm done. Like I would have done the same. I'm not staying up there longer in pain to maybe win food for people who I don't even know if we're together. And even if we are, it doesn't matter. I already won immunity. I nobody else could last as long as I did from my group there. I'm just gonna like, Oh, I can't last longer. Sorry. Like that. I think it was intentional because I thought I was interesting that what she went up to get her immunity necklace. And Jeff was like, you want you wanting three of these? And she's like, no, I don't have to freaking say it. I wonder if she was trying not to put more of a target on herself than are probably already, she already has as a winner. And as someone who did win a bunch of challenges on her season, like it's never a great thing to win the first immunity challenge. I think it calls a lot of attention on you. And so do you think she dropped in on purpose so that because if she would have outlasted everybody, you know, assuming she could, that's, that's a lot, that's a lot of attention to put on yourself. I think the goal in her mind was to win immunity. And she didn't think past that enough to be ready for that moment if it came to it. Like she's like, Oh, if you want immunity. And then the Jeff's like, stamp, you can win more. She's like, no, like, yeah, it's a pretty big disadvantage, corner quote, to like, be the first group that drops because mentally that's so much harder. Yeah, there's four people still on one group. And I'm up here by myself, like I have to outlast. There was too many people to outlast. And I think she had done the thing she wanted to do, which was win immunity to be safe in that small group. Yeah. And I Christian hung on for a little bit. But also, I think he also was like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. So I just want to be in that last group. Yeah. Yeah. So. And then you get this last group. And Stephanie wins. Ben, did she say she'd only worn that necklace once before and her entire survivor career? She did. Yeah. So probably way more excited than she showed about, especially with a group that big, like winning and then also winning, which she did articulate. So yeah, I, I don't know. Did you like this challenge for the merch, Rachel? Outside of the fact that we're broken into three groups, which I don't like. Yeah. I think it's a good one. I think it's nice to, I think the mental pain challenges are a good kind of test of like willpower at this point. Like, where do you fall on this spectrum? Like, do you think you're, are you comfortable on a group of 17? Obviously, they already knew they were in smaller groups, but it's kind of like the, your willpower is going to determine how long you've last in a challenge like this. It's not as much luck or kind of, you know, like you hold a new balance, something and like just one lapse in concentration. You're screwed where I feel like if it's just pain tolerance, that's a little bit of a different beast. So I like that we got a challenge like this kind of early that is able to kind of show how many people want it at this point. Yeah. I also was curious. Do these bigger guys have a disadvantage at this challenge? Because part of me is like, okay, they do have bigger feet and they are heavier, but they also have bigger arm muscles to stabilize themselves with up high. So is it that big of a disadvantage to be a big strong guy or is it just like just different? Like, I don't know. Historically, we probably don't see big strong guys win this one that often. Was there a party that wanted coach to win after they showed his flashback from season 18? I remember watching, I was already voted out of that season by the time that had happened, but I remember watching it and laughing so hard because they didn't even show the full brunt of it, but he crumbled and he was like, my back, my back. And it was just like and everybody was rolling their eyes. They were just like, oh, this guy like, he's like, can't he just say I lost or I didn't win it? Study has to be like, I couldn't because my back and it was so good on TV. And then we get a similar moment with Colby falling and his foot and he fell hard. So I was like, wow, yeah, there's a lot to it. Did you want, would you have been happy with a coach win in this challenge? I would have been, I mean, that would have been a nice, it's always nice when the, it comes full circle, right? Yeah. There always is something very like poetic and especially in an unscripted show to have something actually a line in that way. I think it's always, that would have been a really nice arc. But yeah, do you think you would have changed anything? I mean, Colby still goes home, right? That's interesting because I was thinking about this before we got on the call with D. She wins the challenge. She gets to push harder at what she wants to happen. So if coach is winning, now he's safe. He's safe to push as hard as he wants to protect Colby if that's what he wants to do. So I do believe, I don't know if it would have made a difference, but the dynamic of the conversation would have been much different at camp. That's true. But she, do you want to coach, I think, from what we saw. So if coach had won immunity, I don't think it would, I think it still would have fallen on Colby unless something the girls were actually willing to, you know, eat themselves. My question was, because I don't think we've seen Seri and Emily have any kind of dynamic. Right. And is the, is this, like in this vote, Colby doesn't have a vote. So even if Seri wants to side with coach and Colby, she can't, without causing that tie. So is that, I'm curious to know if that played into what happened? Yeah, for sure. And also the fact that Colby cannot play his shot in the dark is in another layer of safety. Like if you don't have your vote and you can't play your shot in the dark, you're just dead. Like you are of no use to anybody and you're not scary at all. So I just came up with this. My proposition is if you lose your vote and you don't have a vote at tribal council, you're shot in the dark automatically gets played. So like Colby doesn't have a vote is shot in the dark automatically gets played. Something where the losing your vote is terrible. Yeah. But now also you've lost the shot in the dark. So now nobody has any, there's no, there's no craziness happen. There's no uncertainties happening when you vote for Colby to leave the game. And the whole thing of the shot in the dark was to give that uncertainty. But now somebody who doesn't have a vote also can't play their shot in the dark. Now they're doubly screwed. So But also you're double inudering them in the sense that if if I don't have a vote but I have a good enough alliance that I don't need to play my shot in the dark. Now I don't have it in the future because I was forced to play it. Sure. So then could should we just let the shot in the dark still be played even if you don't have a vote? Yeah, I think that's probably a better thing. Yeah, I think I would also tweak like the other end of it too. Like Colby lost his vote and he had no choice in it. You know, he had to compete in that thing against Savannah. And I feel like that that takes out like the risk, right? Like he should have had a little more of a say way back then where it was like, Oh, do I want to risk my vote or not risk my vote, right? In this challenge as opposed to just being like, you're on this journey. I can't remember exactly how Colby ended up on the journey. If it was one of those like where he volunteered or like everybody drew rocks on his tribe or whatever, oftentimes, you know, it's like a random chance of the drawing rocks. And now it's like you're in a situation where you might lose your vote no matter what and you didn't really pick that risk. So that's where I would change is like get make it make all these like vote losses like should be more optional. Should they should have say in whether or not they want to go for the thing at the risk of his vote. Yeah, like we've talked before on this podcast about like, oh, there should be like a penalty for if you get last place in the immunity challenge, right? The little penalty could be you lose your vote. But then that comes with you can also sit out the immunity challenge and ensure that that won't be the case. So you're always having an option to be like whether I want to risk my vote or not. So if you lose your vote on some level, it was your fault because you chose to risk it instead of it just being the game design that put you in a situation where someone had to lose. Okay. I like that. So, once the merge happens, you can sit out of individual immunity challenge and keep your vote, but you know that you won't win immunity, but whoever's last place in that challenge loses their vote at the next travel council, at that night's travel council. Yeah. I think that's like a good little wrinkle on the game. But then you also get people like Surrey who will just sit out every time. So is that then like now you have a group of people who are like, if I'm there and I'm like, okay, so if the sit-out bench is larger than the people competing, you just sit out and on the bench are like, okay, it's none of us. We're all sitting out. We all have our vote. Let's make our votes count and we'll go against whoever's up there. I don't think that would fully work. I think in theory, sure, but I do, maybe I have an every single immunity challenge, like with like a few, but a few times I can see you think it could be interesting. Yeah. It's like. It's really like that would have been a blood moon change right there is Jeff being like there's 17 of you, this is like last month's blood moon. It's like, maybe there's like two planets that are kind of aligned and so now the, okay, Pluto and Neptune. It's the first time that they've been aligned in, okay, and we know is not a full-fledged planet now. Survivor 51 in the hands of the stars in the hands of the stars, okay. I like at a big merge saying last place loses their vote, but you can sit out and maintain your vote. You just don't win. That's something interesting, actually, that would be to watch people have to make that decision. What are you doing there, Rachel? Are you sitting out? Are you competing? I mean, obviously, it would depend on my position, but I think, I think I'm pretty confident that I wouldn't be last in most challenges, so I would probably still compete. That's how I feel. I feel like I probably wouldn't be last, so I'd still keep my vote and hopefully have the chance to maybe still win. I do, I agree with that and we could add another little wrinkle on top of this. We introduced that, then we could say everyone has to make this choice before they see the challenge, except maybe the scramble in the jungle is for the information on what the challenge is. Then you can share with who you want to be like, hey, this is one of these, it's the hug the pole challenge, so as you don't want to sit out or whatever, or it's a puzzle, so Camilla would know that she wants to play instead of sitting out or whatnot. Look at this. You're welcome, that's great, I think let's do it, but enough about how good we could have made this, let's get back to what it was. Which was also good, I'm not saying it wasn't good, but when you watch the show and you've been in it so long, I constantly, I'm like, how can we improve this? Could we step out of the box? Can I, well, sorry, I don't want to get back to the show, but I have another tangent of this. Let's do another tangent. I really think that the Billie Eilish boomerang idol has legs. I just think that it needs to be applied slightly differently, and I, it occurred to me during this episode that, you know, Christian, Christian, and Genevieve had to make these idol decisions in isolation with no idea what the dynamics on the other tribes are, because we are pre-merge, and even pre-swap at this point. And how much more interesting would it have been to do a reward like they did on my season 47, where the winners of this, it was a randomly drawn group, the winners of the reward challenge get to go to the sanctuary and minkle together, they get to share food, they get to talk. And now you have an idea, or at least you think you have an idea of what the dynamics are on these other tribes, before you find this kind of advantage that forces you to just shoot it over the wall and hope something good happens. I think that the problem with the way it was implemented in the season is it only gives you an advantage if you know somebody. Right. So it's like let them mingle and figure out something to base this information off of instead of just shooting like blindly. So would this be a random mingle, or would it be like you found the Billie Eilish Idol now you get to go to a mingle? Like what is- I think you hide the idol at the mingle. Okay. You know, like it's a reward challenge that has an advantage hidden, and the advantage, it's also a way that our advantage then is an idol, right? Because it's not a freaking idol. You find this advantage at the reward. You get to give it to somebody else on another, anybody else on, you know, another tribe. And you have a chance of getting it back. But you can't open it until you go back to your beach because you can't open it at the reward and then be like, you'll Rachel, you're on a different tribe. I just found this thing. I'm sending it to you. Correct. I think it, yeah. Okay. I like this. If it ever, if the boomerang, Billie Eilish boomerang is ever on a newbie season too, because then you're, you know, you know, like now, you know, we know that there's pre-game and whatnot. So now, you know, it's a little different. Okay. I like that. That way it gives it a little, it gives it more legs, it gives, it's more strategic in who you are choosing. If it does more strategic, or just do them in the post-murge, where they're everyone. Now if I give it to you, Tyson, I can now, I have an advantage to try and get you out of the game. So I can get this idol back. Yeah. Or you can tell me you gave me an idol, or you can tell me you gave me an idol and we can work together for relationship. Yeah. Correct. I think that it's a, it's a weird thing when you're giving it to someone with no information and then you have no control over what happens to that person either. Right. Like it's the double layer of, like, chance. Yeah. I like it. I think, yeah, let's do it because you are right throwing it over the wall on day two and being like the, or like, this is my friend that we had a phone call with, like, I'm trying to figure out how to get the idol back for myself. Like is there anybody who is thinking differently? Like I think the best case scenario, the idol comes back to you. Plan B is used as leverage if that person is not going anywhere, but you're hoping that they go so that you can have it. Nobody knew right that Genevieve sent the idol to Rizzo, right? Like no one. She said that. He said that that person. She did not tell anybody. Yeah. So what's Rizzo going to do from here on out trying to figure out who sent him this idol? He's never going to find out with Genevieve telling him it wasn't her. Yeah. He's never going to learn who it was. Do you think somebody's going to take the, you know, be like, Oh, it was me. It was definitely me. It just lie. That's a very interesting. But then it has to have enough information. You have to have enough information. Yeah. They would have to know that she sent it and she's gone because otherwise you're just putting a target on yourself a little bit because if you go home now, then people think I have an idol when I don't. Yeah. That's true. Like if I don't know, in the moment, Rachel, let's say you don't have any time to think about it. And we're walking down the beach and I'm like, Rachel, did you send me that idol? If you say yes, and you didn't, but if you say yes, then whoever did actually send it to me when they say they sent it to me, I'm like, I don't know if you did because Rachel told me first that she sent it to me. It's full chaos. I don't know that it's good gameplay actually because then it's going to get chaotic. What? Can we can we can we parlay this into the Devons Christian thing because I don't understand this. Yeah. Like why Christian sends the idol to Aubrey and Devons takes credit for it and two Aubrey's face Devons takes credit for it. So the only people that know that it was actually Christian, what are Christian and Devons? Why would Devons be willing to take on this risk? I have no idea. I know why Christian wanted it to be that way. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense for Christian. But for Devons, it makes no sense to me. And Christian's reasoning with Devons was you're better at finding idols historically. So make more sense that it's you. Like the only thing I can think of is like people are already saying, oh, Devons, be Devons. Like he's probably looking for idols. And so it's not surprising, but that doesn't help Devons. Like why does he want that perception? Why does he want that kind of target? It's just so I have thought about it a lot and I cannot think of a single reason why this is good for him. The only thing I can think of is that thing where like if Aubrey goes home, then people have the wrong sense of where the idol is. That's good for Christian. It's not good for Devons. They're going to try to flush his idol. He doesn't have. No, but they might try to target Christians to Christian to break up the duo instead of Devons. Like you might have the cover of the idol a little bit too, but it's such a near, but I agree with you Rachel that like it is so such a narrow scenario where this benefits them. And like the the downside is you take all the heat of being the idol fighter and being the one who might want to target Aubrey and all these other things that come with it. That it's like, yeah, I don't I don't understand why Devons agree to that. Devons should have like held out. Dude, you get the credit here. Oh my God. Yeah. I also even in the moment, I was like, what Devons, why are you agreeing to this? He was like enthusiastic. sickly agreeing to, too, he was excited about it. He was excited about it. Yeah, we didn't get anything that was like, well, you know, I don't like, but Christian wants to. So maybe I'll do this for him or whatever. It was not like he was like, I love this idea. Let's do it. We signed in conventional saying that they were lying to everybody, but we didn't see the why of that. Like he didn't explain why, you know, don't get it. I think Christian, I think Devon's just wanted to be part of the story in that moment in that circular moment. He was just like, yeah, I get to be part of a thing that we know is going to be something. I don't think he was strategically thinking like, how does this benefit me? And maybe Christian was so pushy with it that Devons was just like, yeah, that's fine. Like for the sake of maintaining allyship. I don't know. It's so weird. You would just think that we would have some kind of message from Devons being like, I don't know. Yeah, but we don't, which makes me think he liked it. And we don't know why he liked it, which makes me think that he liked it because it's just funny for TV, maybe. The planted idol has to have pay off, right? They've shown it like three times now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it has to. He would think, but they could they could so easily just edit that out of the season entirely, which we know they've done before with some small advantages or past seasons and whatever. If they just don't play into the story at all, I mean, you just don't eat this from the season. Right. Yeah. I it's it'll be interesting. Do you think it will be played in a way that's advantageous to those two or will it be a total bust? I would be pretty funny if it was like Adam Klein style podium idol. Like that would be kind of funny. If it like they they try to bluff with it in the middle of tribal and then everyone just votes the man in the air, you know, like that would be kind of because the other problem with that is that they still were going to try to flush it, you know, probably as long as they have the numbers. So it's implicit to some extent, but it's not, I don't know, it's definitely not feel safe. It'll be fun to see what happens. Yeah, it'll be fun. I think it's, I don't think it's going to be like a strategic like, wow, that was incredible by Christian and Devin's. I think it's going to be like, well, they tried and they missed. Yeah. Who knows? It would be crazy. Let's go to the sanctuary where Chrissy is waging emotional warfare on these girls. Did that, did that sway anybody? Did that make them more like come like what, what effect did that have? The effect was that that made Camilla really comfortable. I mean, she was so clear of lines I did. Yes. Yeah. I mean, this is also pre-jury phase. So I think that she's probably a little less worried about hamming it up for, you know, yeah, I was very, I loved that confessional from Chrissy where she was just like, I'm ready. You know, it's okay to go home. Yeah. I just want to be friends. Yeah. I just want to be friends with everybody and have it all be positive. I was going into it till we got. I was like, Oh, no, Chrissy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And even so much is talking about the scars. I know she didn't get along with a lot of people on her last season. And she talked about that earlier. So I was like totally buying into it too. And she was just like, it's probably me. And she, and then she was just like, no, I'm ready to play. And she sucks Jonathan in. And yeah, I thought it was very good play by Chrissy there. Yeah. Yeah. I'll never, I'll never fault anyone for playing that. It's a fun, it's fun place to play. Yeah. Yeah. She played so well with that position too. She did it to Tiffany and to Camilla, where she just was like, whatever happens happens, I understand it's me. Bye. So good. And then we go to to calo, calo. Sorry. I hopefully won't have to say that word anymore. The rest of the season, calo, I just am going to say merge tribe because I read that thing. And I was like, I won't even understand what I'm talking about. If I say that word, I'll just say. I missed that. Yeah. Manila, Manila Voo. Manila Voo. Manila Voo. Voo, Voo is that long yellow tribe. It means yellow tribe. Seriously? No. It means. So according to Google, it means big or many in Virginia. Maybe that's just what Levoo means. It means 17 person merge. Yeah. Levoo means. Okay. Hold on. Blood. Abri telling Christian and Rick that she's, is that she's with right there? Yes. She's with Christian and Rick telling them she's just going to play the idol. So I'm just going to play. It's, it is what it is. Which is actually if you have, wait, sorry, sorry. I'm still on this. I think monu means bird and Levoo means big is big bird and it's yellow. It means yellow because it's yellow. Oh, that's funny. An Easter egg. Yeah. I wonder who thought of is Big Bird coming? Dude, that's me. The letter of the day. Yes. I for immunity. Big bird and from the frog are going to come and sing at the next. Oh, man, I would, I would love a crime at the frog concert. Um, yeah. So Abri tells Rick and Devon, she's playing her idol and you were going to say, uh, oh, I was saying if you are the recipient of a Billy Irish Boomerang idol and you are with the person you know that sent it to you and you're worried that maybe they're going to target you saying you're going to play it is probably a decent way to avoid them getting the idea that they should vote to you out and get it back. Because if they play it before you vote them out, you're not getting anything back, right? Yeah. So that, that just occurred to me when we brought it up. And I think if people, meaning every single person knows you have an idol, you just have to pull the Rizzo from 49 and say, I have an idol and playing it. I'm probably playing it tonight. I just like vibes are off. I feel like I have to play it. No offense to anybody. And I'm with my group, but I'm still going to also play the idol and then do that as long as you can until you can't. Do you think Rizzo is going to like do this for the rest of the time he's on this season as well? Like you did last season. I think I think as soon as he feels like a lot of people know about his idol right now, he's not certain who knows. But I think once he gets the inkling that a lot of people know, then yeah, I do believe that once everybody knows or most people know, you'd have to threaten to play it every time. Thank you. You just have to because people are going to try to flush it. They're going to try to, they're, or they're going to try to scare you into playing it. So if you just openly admit that you're probably going to play it or you're going to play it, then yeah, but it's like how many times can that work before people call your bluff. And then if they are going to call your bluff, do you have the wherewithal and social prowess to understand that they're calling your bluff this time? So always the balance. And I actually liked this, this social movement on this group here because we get Genevieve who's openly targeting Aubrey. And she's pulling in Joe and saying Joe stick with me. I can try and convince Christian, but either way the blowbacks falling on me, but then Joe also be, but she's targeting Devons to be clear. She's not targeting. Yes, she's targeting Devons because she's assuming Aubrey's going to play the idol or that Aubrey's out for her. So she's targeting Devons and Joe, which her pitch does make sense if you're Joe, like, oh, yeah, I guess it would fall on you, not on me. But then they're playing the same game where they're like, well, obviously, they're going to want Genevieve, but they're not going to go for the obvious. They'll go for me. So Joe was like, I'm feeling like it might be me and they did have conversations. I just, I thought that that was a pretty solid read of Joe or if he says that every time they go to tribal council, I don't know. But in the future, if I'm ever on a survivor again, I'll just say all the things that will make me look smart if they use them in the right place during the episode. So I'm always going to be like vibes are off. I feel like it's going to be me tonight. Like I've done all my work, but I can feel that they're out for me or then just be like every, but you can't be the positive because if you say positive, you're going to look like a champ. If you're like, everything's going my way, I know it. Like as cool as that would look when it does go your way, they'll use it at the time it doesn't and they'll use it out of context too. So never mind. Just go out there and be yourself guys. Glad I came full circle on that Rachel. You talked yourself right right back to where you started right back out. Yeah. Was there anything that was going to happen on this collo group that besides Genevieve going home? I mean, look, devins and Christians are number ones and they sent on for your freaking idol. Like what are they? What is Genevieve going to do here? It's just, it's a shit luck rock draw. And you know, she did her best. I think, I don't know, I think that the pitch she made to Christian about like you are very known duo. Everyone's talking about you. Like people want to, you know, break you up in the future. You'll be way less visible if you're with like Joe and I. I think that that was about as good as her pitch could get. But at some level, you cannot, you know, you're not getting through to people that, you know, are real life friends, first of all, as I have all like in-game, very, very, very connected. So, yeah. Yeah, you can do what you can do, but it's like just throwing stuff against the wall and just hoping and praying. And even to the point where at tribal council, she was like, it's me. I am. The players on the dark, she knew that it was, I mean, Joe voted for Joe voted for her as well, because I'm sure that they had the conversation of like, this is not going to work. I'm going to play my shot in the dark. Don't screw up your game on my behalf. Just like vote for me, like everyone else's. Yeah, I think that sometimes the rocks don't fall in your favor. Unfortunately, a lot of things didn't fall in her favor. Right. And for Genevieve, if you're out there listening, you played your shot in the dark. I was very afraid for you when you contemplated playing it. And if you would not have played that, that would have been a true regret. So, I think that you can leave with your head held high and not regret like the shot in the dark play, like you knew. So, like the read was right. Everything was correct. I literally, like my heart sank when she was like toying with playing with it. Oh, she's not going to play it, and then it's going to be like regret. But she played it. I thought it was going to stew. Like, one of the odds that Christian will side with me higher or lower than one in six is a very, you know, that's a good way to look at it because it's like, you know, is it, what's the percentage that this goes my way and is it higher lower than the shot in the dark percentage? Right. And she read it correctly. So, let's go to Cela with D and Cere and Emily choosing between Colby and coach. Did they make the right choice here in targeting Colby? I mean, he doesn't have a vote, so he can't play a shot in the dark. So, I guess that's probably reason enough. If Colby had a vote, would it have been different? Would Cere have gone with Colby and coach? Yes. I mean, I don't know, but I think that they would have been a lot more tempting for her. I think in this case, she had no choice. What does she suppose to say? Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree with that. And if you're making a decision between Colby and coach, you have to go Colby because there's no shot in the dark present again. Like, that's why he needs to shot the dark still, even without a vote, especially without a vote, you need the option to play your shot in the dark. Did you think the idea that voting out coach, though, with like a potential Colby Medevac on the line? Like, that's an interesting thing, too, where it's like, you know, we can vote out coach tonight. And then we might just like magically get another person out of this game by just letting him lie. Yeah. He doesn't get better. You do definitely think about that stuff, but you also probably have enough information from the medical staff at this point on whether or not he's going to be like, there's the varying degrees of you're good to go. You're totally fine. Yeah. Like, this is going to be an issue for you, but we'll get you fixed after or if this progresses worse, you're going to have to exit. And when I tore my shoulder, they did say like, you're good. We'll fix it after like that's your whatever you're going to be fine. It's going to hurt, but you're good. So if they're saying this to Colby, you have to believe he's not exiting. But if it's something more questionable, yeah, for sure, I do like that idea of being like two for one. It's a two for one. So I like that they were thinking about that, but ultimately I don't think that you can pivot your game planning for that. Yeah. That's fair. Do you believe that they were correct in the that Colby had more sway with his allies than coach did? Absolutely. I also think I thought it was a really I think a lot of times when someone's coming at you, I don't know, I don't know how overt they were being, but I think when you're being perceived as something, you try to shy away from it. And I loved that Colby leaned into it. And you know, we see the confessional from D saying like Colby has more sway over these people. And when she goes to Colby, he's saying, I am the leader. And I can use that to help save you. Like I will fight for you to stay next vote. Like he leaned into his power instead of shy away from it. And I think that that's that's difficult to do on survivor. I think the tendency is to be like, no, no, no, like I don't have that much power. Like it's really like all this person. Like you want to like deflect and I love that he absorbed and like, like owned it. I think that that was about as good as a pitch as he could have made in that moment. Yeah. She even came away from it saying like I think he's so honest. I forgot what he said. She said exactly, but you know, it really resonated with her. I think she really thought about it. And she did want coach, right? She wanted coach out not Colby. So it kind of worked. And she did also say like I get these honesty. Like I think Colby's telling me the truth. I do not feel that way about coach. Coach went to Emily. And I was like, they were throwing your name out last night. And she's like, why didn't you tell me that last night? He was like, well, a lot of stuff. Right? This is this is talking to D. Oh, talking to D. Yeah, D saying that they were talking to D. Yeah, that Emily was just immediately clocks him immediately clocks him. Can coach correct? He said he was going to correct. He was not going to stick his foot in the mouth in his mouth. I appreciate that he admits that he got caught. And he recognizes that he got caught immediately. And God, he recognized it. Imagine he's doing that. But I mean, he'll still keep doing it. But can he play more reserved? I don't know. No, okay. You told him he needs to chill out. He stole himself. He needs to chill out. Does it ever work? No, he wore feathers in that tribal. This preview of next time, he's like, the dragon slayer is back. I'm going to destroy all these people. I keep it in like no. I do not know. Somebody came for him and named his name, oh, because Colby, maybe because Colby exited and he felt like he was on the bottom. And now he's like understands his position. Maybe I mean, we'll get it. They didn't show who was talking to or about so we'll have to wait for next time. I also like Suri's approach to D on making a decision between Colby or Coach. Do you gamble? Do you gamble? Why are you gambling? Yeah. Well, why are you gambling now? Colby's the leader, not coach. Do you think that Suri wanted Colby gone over coach or she just understood that he doesn't have a shot in the dark. He doesn't have a vote. There's he's helpless, easy, nothing crazy can happen. I feel like coach is more tied to the people she's working with than Colby, right? Yeah, that could be. I thought that too. I thought she was either hopeful of coach's relationship with her or I think that no matter who it is, if they don't have their vote and they don't have their shot in the dark and it's a group of five people, it's just like that's who's going home. You know that a shot in the dark isn't going to screw anything up and you don't have enough people there to split the votes multiple ways. So you really do just have to take the easy route. So I think Colby was the easy route. I think if coach had not had a vote and not he didn't have a shot in the dark, I think he would have gone home. I think anybody on that tribe that didn't have a vote and didn't have a shot in the dark is the person. It's just too small of the group to take any risks whatsoever. These small groups, man. They're terrible. They are really lead to so extreme forward votes. Yeah, nothing like happens naturally right back up. Yeah, it happens naturally at the end game. You don't have to do it multiple times throughout the game. It also happens in the pre-merge because we have these small drives like why are we in every phase of the game? Yeah, you don't. I wonder if it's just like it becomes like an editing thing where we're dreaming about this 17 person tribal and the production is just like there will be no way to tell the story because there will be so many lines in the sand and whereas if you have five, it's often just like this is the matter and they decide you choose between the two or three compelling story lines that are the people that are the main targets. Yeah, just cut everything else and then cut everything else or show it circulating around a little bit and being everybody's the target to then narrowing it down between two or three. But I do think that like that I would have loved that. I would have loved to see the scramble of 17 people trying to get their stories. Everybody's okay on it. It would have been like a five, eight, four, two vote. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And that's what we wanted and now we're not going to get that. I mean, even that little bit of the scramble that we got, we where there was like that moment where Joe went to Genevieve and it's like, so like, are they supposed to know that I know that you told me this or what it is? Like, you have that, like, 20 times. Yeah. Right. And she had to think about it too. She was like, I think you're good. I don't like it. You know, it's like so much of that phase of the game is really just like, who knows what? What is who is supposed to know what? What am I supposed to know? What is this person think I know? Like, it's just, that's part of why it's so difficult. I mean, we got it as they came on to the beach from the get go. Like imagine having that leading into travel council would have been, yeah, absurd. It would have been so good. And it would have been a historic blood moon episode that we would forever remember. So we're saying that we wanted, we wanted a tribal before they went into the challenge. And then like, then they can split everyone up into like two groups after they had the first tribal. And I say we said, since 17 to travel and we do three travels in a row. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Three votes in a row. I also, I also agree. I agree with that. I don't think we need to get surprised because I think it would also be the chaos of just which person are revoting out which round would also cause so much drama. Like it would just like, wait, it's this person first and this person, this person there, like it would, I don't know. I think it would have been probably confusing, but no less than like, you know, a normal large. Yeah. I think I agree. Right. This is another area where I feel like, you know, one of the advantages that I think survivor could introduce is like information about how the game's going to unfold. Like, imagine if you told like one person, they earned it somehow, you know, a scram on the forest, whatever, hey, immediately after tribal councils tonight, there will be another tribal council. It's yours to do with this information, what you want. And now they have the ability to prep and tell people and it might get out, it probably will get out. Yeah. That's a big spare. 70 people. Yeah. Well, yeah, I was 70. Imagine if they did it like eight or something, you know, like some smaller number where it's like, maybe you could actually keep that and then have your hand on what it is is they, there's two advantages. And one of them says, one of them, you find it and it doesn't tell you what it is. You actually have to go to the man on the boat who tells you verbally what it is. So you don't have proof of it. No, no. Oh, the verbal, yeah. And then the second one also the same. So the first one says there will be a second tribal council. And then the other one says there will be a third tribal council. So then you have people being like, is there going to be one more or is there two more or is there like, did they get together and like, I don't like, then you can't. There's no way to determine the truth whatsoever. Pure chaos. You got 17 people. Why not create the maximum amount of chaos that you possibly can because you're not going to have 17 people on the beach anymore. The whole rest of this season, we will never have that many people on the same beach. Yeah. Pure chaos. Pure chaos. That's what we're going for. Okay. So Calo, that group, was this the right move, getting rid of Genevieve, was that the correct move for everybody in that group? Yeah, because they're an alliance that doesn't involve her, except for Joe, yeah, but Joe as one person can do anything about it, you know, I mean, yeah, you just have to go with it. Okay. And then Cila, I think Cole be going was like the only, the only option. There was no other option. And Jonathan, that's the one, did Jonathan make the right move? So who does he piss off? He pisses off Tiffany. He pisses off. He probably, I think he can do damage control with the, he wasn't there and, uh, and Tiffany can also be like, you know, do you blindsided me with Charlie? I mean, it's, it's literally like you guys got me first, like, so yeah, he does have a excuse, but does he inadvertently, like now D is working with Rizzo, Rizzo is working with Serena Ozzy. Like is this, is he now drawing a line against that faction of people? I don't think everybody takes that as hard as stance against a person that's against somebody else. Like you can still kind of be in good with some people that are in another group. So I don't think that that's going to matter as much. And I just think if you're Jonathan, you're thinking, what numbers do I trust the most in the merge? Do I trust this old school group more? Do I trust the new school group more? Which one's bigger? Which how, of those people, how much do I trust each individual? There's like so much to it, like that you are calculating. I just feel like, I also feel like in the moment, he has to just go with what he thinks is best and understand that he's going to either need to do some damage control or some explaining or there's still 14 people left in the game. Maybe he just closes his eyes and ducks for a little bit and did something else materializes. Yeah, we got so little from Camilla this season, so we don't even know who was Camilla's number one. Who was she the closest to? Is there impact on that person? I don't even know who that is. So it's really hard to quantify the damage control Jonathan has to do here when we really don't understand the dynamics of where she stood. Which I kind of feel is good for him in that we don't see anybody super tight with Camilla. I think so. Yeah, but then who's tight with Chrissy? So it's kind of on the same old school people. Yeah. There's also, I mean, I think the jury, this is probably looking a little too far ahead and is not certainly not the first thing you make your decision on, but the jury element plays into it a little bit too, right? Like, there's a world where if Jonathan's sitting at the end, he gets Chrissy's and Chrissy's on the jury, he gets her vote. Right. I don't think there's like any two people he can sit next to where Camilla is a jury vote for Jonathan. I just think the way that Camilla plays the game, yeah, or yeah, but like in the, in, for, you know, Tiffany wasn't really floated as a, oh, yeah, she had immunity. I hear you. Yeah, so, but so it's like, you know, okay, like why would I want Camilla on the jury ever if I'm Jonathan? Like, I know that's a vote for somebody else. I can't, can't see any world where she's voting Jonathan. Right. Right. Um, yeah, I think, I think Jonathan had to make the decision based on who he's trusting the most moving forward. And I think that that old school group he kind of already connected with or has vibes with or that's with, especially with Chrissy's pitch, he has to assume that a lot of people read him that way. So it might be the saver bet for him. Sorry Camilla, sorry, Genevieve, that you just got like, you know, your name will be in the books, along with Ceres on just having horrible luck, Ceres during the advantage of Getten from the past. And Colby. I feel like Genevieve especially fighting two idols and having no idols is like, yeah, I mean, can we, can we do a list for my girl, Kyle, number one, LA Madevack, two idols found no idol, her biggest rival given an idol, yes, the two people she gave idols to go to exile, while she gets crop, swap screwed with an alliance of three with that biggest rival who has an idol, her shot in the dark does not hit. That is a lot of bad luck for 13 days. Yeah, still, still went 13 days. So, yeah, we need a third season at Genevieve, she needs a fair shake. I think she was playing a good game. Yeah, well, we'll talk to her tomorrow for exit press. And then Colby, sad to see him go, very positive exit though. And I think he was grateful for it. I also think the everybody crying, desobbing, saying that, you know, these old school people, it's been a long time since they came back. And even Colby hobbling off with his bad foot, telling everyone to find joy in the game. Colby, I felt like was so adaptable. He was so much more adaptable than I expected him to be coming back on season 50 with all of this stuff that goes on, you know, in these newer seasons. And it's a bummer, I also feel like he was pretty swap screwed. I don't know that he was ever going home if this was a larger group. And I feel like he was in a pretty good position. So, it's a really, I don't know, it's such a bummer. Yeah. I agree. Like, it's a bummer to have him come back to play 13 days and we don't see him cast even one single vote. You know, it's like, if you didn't even cast a vote, did you place a driver? Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah, it is sad. So give him a shot in the dark. Let us at least see that play out. Is this the thing where your, your Colby and you exit and they're like, okay, well, let's take you back to Ponderosa and he's like, let me just draw a shot in the dark to see if it would have hit if I could have played it. Was that torture? That's torturing yourself. That's torture. All right, anything else before we go to Riley's Reads? Did we miss anything this episode notable, coach, quoting that they make warm up clean and hard. I like that. quote by the way, nothing came up. No, no, no. I'm still holding out that, you know, he just has information that has never made it onto the internet. And I have always wondered with coach how he can deliver those quotes without sounding like he had memorized those quotes. And now it makes sense if you're just making them up off the cuff, that it's easy to have a sh*t ton of quotes memorized by ancient wise people if they don't exist. It's like the Japanese proverb. Does he make them up in a moment or are these things that he tells himself that he has memorized over time? Or does he summarize the quote to be what he thought it was supposed to mean? Yeah, that's probably more likely. Yeah, so we heard something similar about making war with a clean and pure heart and just catered it to the moment. If you Google, we make war with a pure and clean heart. It comes up, you're searched to not match any documents, then it says need help. Check out other tips for searching on Google and it has some suggested searches, including whether tomorrow, hardware, store, near me, plain tickets, air fryer. So they're there. They're like, who is this crazy person? The quotes are so unique that they can't even be found on Google. It's incredible. Google doesn't even have something to compare it to and be like, did you mean like what is this gibberish? Just like senile person just put into a search bar? Did you be in battle with cleanliness and purity? Like the does the tie? Yeah, detour thing even close. Well, I like that. That makes me happy. It's so good. Because I've said it on the podcast before I during the four heroes versus villains, I tried to read the Old Testament, thinking it would be hilarious to quote the Old Testament incorrectly during certain moments of the season. I got like two pages in. I was like, I can't do this. This is a long book. So let's get to Riley's reads. All right. All right. Who did the most this episode to advance their game? Rachel, what you got? I'm going to say Chrissy because I think that we have seen her only kind of down and out so far and she managed to pull Jonathan to that side and save herself and get out someone that wasn't working with her and didn't want to work with her. So I think that that was huge for her. Yeah. I like that. I think Ozzy. I think him dipping from this small group chaos where his name isn't mentioned. It doesn't come up. He pulls in Rizzo who Saria is good with. So he can bond even tighter. I think he did well here. Some of it was luck and some of it was a strategy. So I think Ozzy is just continually finding ways. He's been on the bottom. He's still come out of that and now he's kind of in a good spot, I think. I think I'm going to give it to Saria. I think she was the sway in the vote today, but she didn't have any blood on her hands. It seems to all like go on to D and then her top two dudes, her husbands are away on Exile Island and actually talking because of her. So I think like she's just doing amazing and no one's noticing. They still don't notice. It's amazing. Right. Yeah. I was going to say Saria too. I mean like we're we're introduced like the D-Serie dynamic begins with D being like I have to get her out, have to have to have to. And now they're working together. And I just I just love Saria. She's playing such a great game. Who damaged their game the most? Probably coach. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Sticking his foot in his mouth and getting caught, it's hard to come back from that with that person specifically, but even like anybody who hears about it is now going to be on high alert for a coach. Like he immediately got caught in the lie. They immediately crossed checked the story and it didn't make sense. And so now they know that that is coach's game. So coach cannot afford to tell someone that somebody said something when they didn't say something. He also just had a bad read on the dynamics. Like he didn't recognize the doors between him and Colby. He thought he could throw Emily under the bus. And so like that was already the first mistake. And then the second mistake being like just giving a flat out lie they got immediately clocked to his face, which is just like rough. Even before he put a period on it. Yeah. It's like one of those were mid sentence. You know that you're saying the thing you shouldn't say what you can't stop because you started started. Or you stop and they're like, what were you going to say? You're like, uh, nothing. And they're like, you have to say it now. Like she was saying your name. No, she wasn't. I have to go to a professional right now. And it was like, yeah, it was somebody. I don't remember. Ashley, who you got? I'm going to say Jonathan. And I think because Colby's gone, because if Colby was still there, Jonathan would have like a little alliance to go and fall back to. But because Colby's gone, it's kind of, I don't really know where he's going to end up. And now that he's made like Tiffany upset. And like these going to get a little mad at him. They're always going to look side eye at him. I think he kind of messed up his alliances. Right. Yeah. And it yeah, you are kind of, I didn't even think of that that he chose old school, but Colby exited. So also Genevieve and Colby were very tight. So that's also he also potentially lost Genevieve in that larger alliance. So because Genevieve was kind of like with some of those players. So yeah, it's kind of a double whammy on him for that. Yeah. And he couldn't have known. He couldn't have known Colby was going to be the one. But maybe he could have actually, if he knows Colby doesn't have a vote, you have to assume he's going home. Uh, you know, I think coach as well. Um, just the foot in the mouth move. Um, at least he recognizes it. Yeah. But yeah, okay. All right. Let's see some some prediction. We need winter picks now. Rachel, who's your new winter pick? I finally can't answer Genevieve. Um, although you know what, it's April fools. Perhaps this is all a big ruse. There's a edge of extinction. She'll be back next week. Yeah. Yeah. So you're going to stick with Genevieve. Yeah. No. Um, I want to go, I'm going to go with Rizzo. I think that the way that he has kind of come into this as an unknown factor, been able to sway so many people to his side. So recall him, her husband, like we, you know, it, it doesn't seem like Rizzo's charisma has limits here. And um, he has an idol and unbeknownst to him. No one's going to target for him for it to get it back. And, uh, you know, I think that he's set up well going into this merge. Yeah. I don't hate it. I like it. Um, actually, I'll let you go next because I think our winter pick is still the same. Yeah. I'm going to be in it to my confessional queen Tiffany. Uh, she got some confessionals, which makes me feel so happy. And a lot of people think I'm joking. I'm not joking. I wanted a win. Uh, really, really bad. So I, I started sweating when she started talking more. I was like, Oh, no, this is like, not a design. So for the win, let's go. Okay. All right. With Tiff still. She's been, uh, one of my winter picks throughout the season. And I've had her for the last couple weeks, uh, not looking great because she lost Camilla, but I think sometimes to win the game, you do need like a wake up call somewhere after the merge, you need something to hit you in the face and be like, Oh, it's game time. I have to really bring my A game. And maybe this is the wake up call she needs. Did you have one of those, Rachel? Oh, yeah. I think one or two. Yeah. I had some as well. Riley, we got. Well, I got it. You know, I was, I had Genevieve for the longest time. So big bummer, yeah, big bummer this episode. Uh, I'm going to flip now to Cere. Even though we've talked before, I, I struggle to see how she makes a final three because, you know, I don't see her winning immunity. I think I don't imagine she's that great at fire making. Uh, so she needs to be brought to the end most likely, but that's the magic of three, right? Like if she gets the right person, she's made some really strong connections out there. Maybe Ozzy will give her his idol here to give her an extra vote. But to get, but to get from, you know, from four to three is what I, like specifically is where I get logged in, you know, she has to win. She has to win the challenge. Yeah, you're right. To make fire. Now I don't know because I actually talk somebody into taking her to the end. I think Ozzy might bring her, I think maybe even Rizzo might bring her. Australian survivor where she lost fire making that she wouldn't have practiced a bunch before she went out of 50. Well, I heard leave. Yeah, yeah. So maybe you don't have to be like athletic to be good at fire. She said she practiced that ball on a rope throwing thing that we saw earlier this season and she was so bad at it. So I do still believe that even with practice, you don't have the same knife, you don't have the same flint still, you know, I have the same fuel. It's totally different. And to give you a little bit, Riley, I do think that if the person who wins that final immunity is someone who believes they cannot win regardless and they're aligned with Suri, they'll take Suri. That's the only way I think someone's taking Suri to the end is if they already believe that out of the four people there, they're not going to win. So may as well just take Suri. Okay, that's another way she gets to the end. Yeah. What else we got Riley, anything else? Yeah, who goes home next week? Rachel, I don't know. Could it be coach? We've had a lot of coach for coach not going to tribal this until this episode. And then we see him in the preview blowing up. I feel like that kind of makes sense to me. He seems like he was at the bottom of this group. And, you know, and he didn't do something to favors. No. I was going to say coach as well. I think he's created too big of a rift with this small group. They caught him in a lie. There's no coming back from being caught in a lie like that with the people that have caught you. I don't think I think it's very difficult. So I do think that he's, he's, I mean, there's so many people that can go any direction. Even still, there's 14 people, 14 person vote. If that's what it comes to, like you said before, Rachel, it's going to be like a six to four to four vote. It's going to be something stupid. And so maybe there's hope for him. But I think coach did a lot to damages game. And it doesn't look like it gets better for him. I was thinking coach to only because he also made kind of enemies with Aussie as well before all this happened. So they have the issue with Aussie who's connected to Syrie, who's connected to Riz God, who's connected to Dee. You see, it's just like. And then just with the preview of him, you know, blowing up like they could be focusing on other threats like Dee is the last winner. They should be focusing on her. Jonathan doesn't have any alliances and he is like, you know, betraying TIFF and stuff. So that should have been another thing. But the fact that coach is having a bit of a moment, it makes him prime target, which also could be a reason to keep him. So yeah, you're not wrong, actually. Good shield. Um, so I actually, I write down mine before we start network. Don't coach as well. Wow. Okay. Quadruple coach. That means for sure he's probably not going this episode. He's safe. We just saved him. We saved him. It's crazy. So what happened was time folded on itself. We went through a wormhole. We all chose him before it even happened. And now he's safe because we all forward chose him to go next episode. You're welcome. You're welcome coach. All right. That'll do it here at the pod has spoken. Rachel, thank you so much for joining us. Always a pleasure. One of our favorites. Thank you. People, you still sling in puzzles. Where can we find those? Well, I'm still sling in puzzles. You can preorder puzzle hungry at play resolve.com. There's a link in my bio on Instagram as well. Rachel Ablemont. And yeah, stay tuned. More games to come. More games. Yes. You're a game designer. Now I love that. I love that you found a passion that are just like full speed ahead. So huge congratulations. Everyone, please go support Rachel. Ashley, thank you for making a sound and look amazing and also giving us your hot takes. Riley, thank you for never missing an episode that I can recall for your loyalty and integrity. Wow. What does this heel turn? That's the joke now is that everyone knows he's missed episode. So me saying that he hasn't is just like people don't know what to think. Thank you all for tuning in. Don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel or spotify. We have lots of exit press coming out tomorrow and you won't want to miss it. Until then, see you.