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uh we've been faithful uh ever since the beginning and inception of this podcast yep and before we introduce our guest very special guest i am so excited uh i got a weird phone call not weird i got a phone call yesterday out of the blue from someone whose number i do not have oh until now colby donaldson just random haven't seen or talked to colby personally in 16 years since heroes versus villains rap party in new york where he seemed a little bit bummed about the season and heroes versus villains and all of that and he was not in great spirits uh he called and i was a little apprehensive because we've we've razzed him a little bit on this podcast and he called to tell us he absolutely loves the podcast it's the only thing he uh absorbs on top of the actual survivor episode and he wanted to just call and say we had a really good thing going he wanted to congratulate us on all of our successes and he wanted to specifically tell riley how astute his observation was in realizing that colby never agreed with coach and joe to play the honorable and integrity field game and he said i purposely came out there knowing that people would expect me to play that way but willing to play the other way he's like i did i didn't rule it out but he's like but i was definitely open to being deceptive if i needed to and he just wanted to give riley his kudos there and uh because riley was the one that said colby never agreed to that he's we've never heard colby said honor and integrity uh so there you go riley how's that make you feel i'm loving coach 4.0 and this is now he's our biggest fan this is great this is colby sorry colby 4.0 where where is my head at i'm sorry i'm so sick right now i probably sound very stuffed up i'm having like the worst sore throat of my life uh colby 4.0 i and i'm i'm i am actually loving him i texted you this when you told us that he called you and you left out the part about uh him praising me or whatever you just said that he loved the podcast um but i i'm loving him on this season and i cannot wait to see if he gets a little a little sneaky and a little devious and has some fun here with that heads up um and also it puts us in a tough position because as you know any survivor contestant that is a fan of the podcast immediately gets all of our love and attention and that makes it hard to be subjective and unbiased on this podcast so let's go colby yeah he's been our favorite from the get-go new winner pick we love everything he's doing so if you if you're a survivor contestant you want good coverage from us just call tyson and tell him how much you love the pod or announce it publicly even better yes someone else who has done some research on the pod uh before they came on today hopefully a fan we don't know yet uh but we'll set some time aside for her to tell us if she is or not season 46 uh superstar breakout contestant mo gainer mo welcome to the way in thailand hello ashley tyson riley colby apparently hi everyone watching yeah i am coming at you live from very late at night in thailand and i am so excited to break out all this like knowledge that i've been holding in to mostly my excel spreadsheet this past week on my thoughts what's happening just there's a lot going on as you would expect with a billion people left in the game yes so much going on mo what time is it in thailand oh it is a balmy 11 09 p.m oh that's okay we've recorded that late before we uh okay it's not like two or three in the morning yet but in a few hours not not that's usually how time works tyson so i would assume we're gonna get there eventually yeah well i was just saying like who knows how long we're gonna go here we could all be at two in the morning in thailand together uh but usually we don't go that long usually so uh we just go until we can't anymore mo what are you thinking of this season i'm i'm really loving it i feel like like my body has been yearning for a returnee season a little bit for a long long time and the second i hear people speaking just strategy without the backstory without the emphasis on why they might be thinking this way i feel a gravitational pull towards it right like i don't need charlie to explain this to me i don't need charlie to explain this to me i don't need charlie to explain that he's a lawyer to get in his brain i don't need someone to explain to me emily is analytical and i don't need to see emily's analytical to know how she's thinking or making that move and for me as a viewer that's really really really exciting because it gives me room to pick apart and kind of sit back a little bit and pay attention to more of the nuances of the season and see how people are playing how people are acting how people are comparing to differences something we kind of look for a lot is patterns and when you have people playing four times five times you have a lot of patterns to look for and a lot of differences to notice and see how they're playing different or how that might be good that might be bad who's holding on to grudges who's letting them go um i think a big theme of this season is really you know one word therapy but it is it therapy or is it like anti-therapy i think this is exposure therapy we're gonna go with that okay good i think a lot of it is really like facing your past self and figuring out like how you fit into that paradigm of who you are who you want to be who you are now what's changed what hasn't and how self-aware are you of what has hasn't or you think has changed so there there's a lot to pick apart speaking of patterns and people who are going through some sort of exposure therapy here ozzy right off the bat traumatic experience with uh cochran to get a little flashback there um i is this the same ozzy are we getting the same angry ozzy that feels betrayed and now he's on a war path what are what is uh uh what is your take on ozzy here coming back to camp love the editing of that scene like just got to get the flowers to the editors here of the like kind of like jump scene between christian like it is so perfect to draw those parallels as if you weren't already like smacked in the face with them but i think with ozzy he's a little more self-aware like he's saying to the camera it's like how dare they accuse me of doing exactly what i was going to do like he's aware of this he knows like i'm able to explode and even angelina kind of clocked it later on like it's like a controlled explosion he explodes everyone knows he's going to do that so he's not going to hold it in but blowing off that steam kind of lets him think a little bit more clearly about okay how do i kind of get this in, right? How do I kind of like, or cubicky, excuse me, but how do I i really like draw that back how do i draw him in again and i think ozzy's playing himself but an evolved version he's not saying i'm done with old ozzy he's not saying like i am old ozzy but he's saying i'm using old ozzy and improving on the game i played yeah i i part of me thinks did ozzy purposely weaponize this betrayal come back throw a fit make sure everybody knows win some sympathy and then come back and make amends he didn't go overboard like you said the explosion was not fully directed at uh i mean it was at christian a little bit but also ozzy i did agree like if they would have told me the plan i would have tried my hardest to protect mike white so they were correct in keeping that from you OZZY AND HE EVEN HE UNDERSTANDS THAT UM SO YEAH IS HE IS HE SELF-AWARE ENOUGH NOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT IS BEST FOR HIS GAME OR WILL SOMETHING AGAIN COME BETWEEN HIM AND CHRISTIAN UH WHERE HE CAN'T GET OVER IT I TO CLARIFY I DON'T THINK HE'S GOTTEN OVER IT I THINK HE'S PUT ON A GOOD FACE AND HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE GOD'S BETTER IN THE FUTURE BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS LIKE ON THE OZZY SCALE HE'S LIKE SUPER EVOLVED LIKE HE'S WAY DOWN THAT ECOLOGICAL TREE HERE BUT HE'S STILL IN HIS TREE LIKE OZZY DOES HAVE THAT EMOTION HE DOES HAVE THAT FIRE HE LIT A BONFIRE HE'S A LITERAL SPIT FIRE IN THIS GAME LIKE AS MUCH AS HE GOES ON AND SAYS LIKE I'M THIS WATER CALMING LIKE SNAPS YOU KNOW SLAM POETRY MOMENT ABOUT HIM AND THE WAVES AND ALL THAT HE'S NOT RIGHT HE TENDS TO COME WITH THIS EMOTION HE TENDS TO ACKNOWLEDGE BURNS HE DOESN'T WASH THEM AWAY AND I THINK IN TERMS OF CHRISTIAN WE KIND OF SEE THAT COME OUT LATER TOO WHEN HE'S LIKE HEY I TRUST YOU BUT ALSO GIVE ME YOUR SHOT IN THE DARK LIKE HAD HE TRULY MOVED ON THEN I I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING BUT I I ALSO ADMIT WITH OZZY I WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPER UNSETTLED HAD HE DONE NOTHING LIKE LIKE IF HE WOULD HAVE COME BACK AND SAID IT'S ALL CHILL GUYS WE'RE ALL GREAT I LOVE YOU I WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE OH MY GOD DID HE FIND A IDOL AT TRIBAL COUNCIL LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING OR HE NEEDS TO GO NEXT HE IS HE IS PLAYING SO COOL THAT HE'S DEFINITELY TARGETING ME AND HE HAS TO GO NEXT NO MATTER WHAT LIKE I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME EMOTION IN THAT SITUATION YOU HAVE TO SHOW YOU HAVE TO COMING BACK AND BE LIKE GOOD PLAY GUYS YOU'RE LIKE OH THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT GOOD THEY'RE COMING FOR US SO I DO BELIEVE THAT UH LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT SHOT IN THE DARK UH GIVEAWAY FROM CHRISTIAN THEN UH OZZY ASKED FOR IT CHRISTIAN AFTER SOME TIME AND SOME MORE INFORMATION REALIZES LIKE THIS MAY BE MY BEST PLAY UH TO WIN OZZY OVER TOO AFTER OZZY ASKS FOR IT OR WHATEVER HE LIKE EYE ROLLS TO THE CAMERA THEY PUT IT IN THERE IT'S GREAT BUT WAS THIS OZZY'S BEST PLAY OR COULD OZZY WOULD OZZY HAVE SHOWN MORE TRUST IF HE WOULD HAVE JUST LIKE I THERE'S SO MUCH BALANCE AND THERE'S SO MUCH NUANCE TO ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT IT'S HARD TO REALLY MEASURE WHAT IS BEST FOR THESE PLAYERS I DO BELIEVE CHRISTIAN READING THAT HE NEEDED TO GIVE THIS TO OZZY TO EVEN MAKE IT WORK FOR EVEN WHATEVER STEPS UNTIL IT DOESN'T BUT DOES THIS DAMAGE OZZY'S REPUTATION WITH CHRISTIAN YEAH LIKE I THINK IT WAS A GREAT READ BY CHRISTIAN TO BE LIKE OKAY I NEED TO PLACE THE SHOT IN THE DARK IN THIS DOOR OTHERWISE IT IS SLAMMING IN MY FACE LIKE THAT DOOR IS HELD A JAR BY THIS LITTLE ITTY BITTY DICE AT THIS POINT RIGHT AND THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT AND ON TERMS OF OZZY I I'M NOT TOTALLY BEHIND IT FOR OZZY BECAUSE AGAIN HE'S AN EMOTIONAL PLAYER AND TO ME SOMEONE ASKING FOR A MECHANIC OF THE GAME TO COME OUT IN SUCH A BLADENED DIRECT WAY DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT WITH HIS STYLE THAT TO ME KIND OF SIGNALS MAYBE HE'S WORKING WITH SOMEONE ELSE THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN OZZY ORIGINAL IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN OZZY THOUGHT TO EMBRACE THIS YOU KNOW NEW ERA TWIST TO EMBRACE THIS GAME MECHANIC TO PLAY WITH THESE ADVANTAGES RIGHT IN THE OPEN SO TO ME I'M SOUNDING LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF ALARM BELLS OF LIKE OH THIS IS HE'S MORE THAN OZZY HE'S OZZY AND THEN SOME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST HIM I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT LIKE AS SOMEONE WHO DID PLAY THEIR SHOT IN SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THAT SUCKER I THOUGHT IT WAS SO COOL THAT THEY HAD THEIR NAME ON IT BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF THINKING I'M LIKE COULDN'T HE JUST ASK EMILY FOR HERS LIKE WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE HIS BUT KIND OF LIKE NOTICING THAT DETAIL THE WHERE IT SAYS CHRISTIAN'S NAME I THOUGHT WAS A REALLY REALLY COOL TOUCH ON PRODUCTION YEAH SO NOW DO YOU THINK SO THEY CAN REUSE PROPS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A CHRISTIAN ON EVERY SEASON YES I MEAN OR THEY CAN JUST DO A CHRIS LIKE MAYBE THEY CAN GET A TAN I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER VARIATION RIGHT OKAY YEAH THAT'S INTERESTING LETTERS TO WORK WITH SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU THINK THAT SOMEONE GAVE OZZY AN IDEA AND THAT WAS NOT HIS ORIGINAL IDEA TO TAKE THE SHOT IN THE DARK DO YOU THINK EMILY OR SOMEBODY WAS LIKE MAYBE TAKE IT LIKE IS EMILY PLAYING BOTH SIDES HERE HARDER THAN WE'RE SEEING WHAT ARE I DON'T LIKE WHERE IS HE EMILY SEEMS PRETTY IN THE POCKET IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING FROM A PREVIOUS CAMP BUT I THINK JUST TALKING SO BLATANTLY ABOUT LIKE SHOT IN THE DARK WHAT IS THAT LEVERAGE HERE I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE COME FROM ANOTHER PLAYER OR A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION SO MAYBE THAT'S MORE OF A LIKE PEEK BEHIND THE SCENES OF HOW MUCH SHOT IN THE DARK IS BEING DISCUSSED ON THIS SEASON OR NOT AT ALL BUT I JUST DON'T SEE OZZY BEING LIKE KNOWING CHRISTIAN OF LIKE I NEED THIS AS YOUR GAMEPLAY LIKE KNOWING SPECIFIC ANALYTICAL AT THIS POINT KIND OF KINGMAKER ROLE THAT HE HAS FOUND HIMSELF IN FOR OZZY TO GO AND ASK THAT OF HIM HE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE THIS IS A VERY TECHNICAL EVIDENCE PROVEN THING THAT CHRISTIAN MIGHT NOT WANT TO BUY INTO SO EITHER HE THINKS HE HAS MORE LEVERAGE THAN HE DOES HE THINKS CHRISTIAN WANTS TO WORK WITH HIM MORE THAN HE DOES WHICH AGAIN CHRISTIAN HAS FOUR NUMBER ONES AT THIS POINT MAYBE FIVE UH I LOST TRACK YEAH BUT FOR OZZY TO BE ABLE TO BE LIKE OKAY CHRISTIAN NEEDS ME SO MUCH THAT HE'S WILLING TO DO THIS I I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING AROUND IN HIS HEAD AND IT MIGHT NOT ALL BE FROM HIM MEDITATING ON THE BEACH WELL THE OTHER THING TOO IS FROM CHRISTIAN'S STANDPOINT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY CHRISTIAN EVEN WAS NOT GOING TO GIVE HIM A SHOT IN THE DARK WHEN OZZY ASKED FOR IT BECAUSE THE SHOT IN THE DARK IS NOT POWERFUL IT'S NOT THAT SCARY IT'S A LITTLE SCARY BUT IT'S NOT VERY SCARY IT'S 15 PERCENT SCARY AND SO IF IT'S THAT LIKE I I THINK CHRISTIAN SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY BEEN LIKE YES LET ME GET IT RIGHT NOW I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW BECAUSE UH THIS IS HOW MUCH I BELIEVE IN US AS A DUO HERE YOU GO LIKE I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANY HESITATION OR QUESTION ON CHRISTIAN I GOT I VOTED LAURA MORRETTE OUT OF BLOOD VERSUS WATER WITH MY PANTS SHE TOOK MY PANTS AS COLLATERAL THAT DAY KNOWING IT'S COLD OUT THERE THINKING THAT WOULD PROTECT HER AND I WAS LIKE NOPE SEE YOUR PANTS LIKE I DON'T CARE IT'S PANTS UH YEAH AND THEY WERE HAVE BEEN PRETTY BEAT UP FROM SURVIVORS SO FROM FOR ME I THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETIMES A WEIRD BALANCE OF HOW MUCH POWER SOMETHING HAS VERSUS DOESN'T AND I FEEL LIKE CHRISTIAN OVERVALUED THE SHOT IN THE DARK A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH IN NOT IMMEDIATELY THROWING IT TO OZZY I I REALLY AGREE WITH THAT TOO BECAUSE THE OTHER THING ABOUT A SHOT IN THE DARK IS PEOPLE FORGET THAT THERE'S SACRIFICE INVOLVED RIGHT AND WE ACTUALLY SAW IT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE SAW IT BEING PLAYED BY SYDNEY IS HAD SHE NOT USED HER SHOT IN THE DARK PROBABLY WOULD WORK OUT DIFFERENTLY THERE BUT LIKE COMING OFF OF A THREE TO ONE VOTE WHERE EVERY VOTE MATTERS ESPECIALLY FROM YOU YOU SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING THAT THING UP LIKE BECAUSE YOU WOULD NEVER GIVE A VOTE FOR IT ANYWAY SO RIGHT IT'S SITTING IN YOUR POCKET ISN'T DOING MUCH IT'S EITHER SITTING IN YOUR POCKET OR SITTING IN OZZY'S POCKET WHAT DOES IT MATTER YEAH AND THE SMALLER THE TRIBE THE LESS LIKELY YOU ARE TO USE IT BECAUSE THE MORE VALUABLE A VOTE IS WITH LESS NUMBERS SO IT'S LIKE NOW THEY'RE WHITTLED DOWN TO EVEN ONE FEWER LIKE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO NOT VOTE EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE IT COULD BE YOU I MEAN YES AND NO ON THAT ACTUALLY I MIGHT DISAGREE WITH THAT UM AND THIS KIND OF COMES BACK TO A VERY HOT TOPIC IN THAT STORE STARTING TRIBES BIGGER OR SMALLER SO YES WE'RE WHITTLING DOWN AND YES EVERY VOTE MATTERS BUT ALSO WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THESE SMALL TRIBES THERE'S LESS OF A DISTRACTION SO IF THE TIDES TURN AND THEY'RE LIKE WE'RE GOING FOR CHRISTIAN LIKE THERE'S NOT MANY PLACES HE CAN DEFLECT THAT TOO IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S IN A TRIBE OF EIGHT AND HE CAN DRAW ON A BOTTOM ALSO HE KNOWS HOW IDOLS WORK AND HE KNOWS EVEN IF HE DOES FIND AN IDOL NOT HIM RIGHT SO So getting down to that small, maybe if anything, that kind of shows it's Christian feeling less secure, like it could 100% turn on him. Because in that case, yeah, throw that shot in the dark if you're coming up to, you know, a 4-1 or something like that, which is really common that you see in those six person starting tribes in the new era. Right. Okay. Yeah, I concede. You do raise a good point there. I would have a hard time giving up my vote the smaller the tribe gets, though. But again, if you're reading it and knowing that it's unanimously against you, then sure. But if you can tell it's going to be a 3-2 something, then that makes it very, very hard to play shot in the dark in that instance. Let's go to Scylla. We get the Charlie versus Rizzo buildup. This is the pre-challenge. What's going on here? Is Charlie this hell-bent on targeting Rizzo, or is this the story we're getting from the editors? I think a little column A, a little column B here of, like, we talked about this of, like, you see back to go, like, you know, take a little vacation to, like, the other tribe where we're just that, is we see Christian coming to terms with, like, okay, I'm a new person, Ozzy's a new person, we're moving forward, we're evolving our game, and Charlie's a great foil to that. In a way, he's playing, to me, very similar to a SIGA game, right? SIGA is this Kumbaya tribe who, like, never went to tribal, and he was able to kind of lock in this, like, very tight alliance with the boys very early on, and from there, didn't really need to, like, finesse a ton, ton to work and massage that out. So when he comes to orange, it kind of, sorry, and yes, I will be referring to them as purple, teal, and orange, because, oh my god, they suck. But when you come to orange with this, like, kind of set for, and this one person who's given you, like, that little twist of the knife, like, why not just gun for them? You feel like you got the numbers, you feel like you're secure, you haven't been to tribal, but this worked out for you before, and that's a really deep wound that is going to come up, like, he definitely, rightfully, wrongfully, doesn't matter, that is something that hurts him in this game, and will impact his gameplay, whether he plays two times three, four, five, or six, there's always going to be a, like, little, like, Maria in the room, if you will. So we're kind of seeing how this manifests in this time, and to that, it's the first time it's had a time to rear its ugly head. Yeah, I, I agree, I think it is tricky, but he does feel like he's probably on the right side, I just feel watching Charlie. He's obviously not watching himself, he's not seeing it, but he is so intense about targeting Rizzo, that I think that is really what's scaring people, is his intensity in that moment, it's not fun, it's not where, where, like, this is just part of the game, you can see his demeanor change as he is brooding over Rizzo, and wanting, to target him, and I think I would be scared, in that moment, if Charlie came to me with that intensity, and as I watch myself back on TV in some moments, I'm like, I'm too intense, I got crazy eyes over here, trying to, like, impose my will on people, and if I play any strategic game in the future, I am definitely, myself, going to tone down the crazy eyes, when I feel like I need to be intense, I need to stop being so intense, and I do think, that Charlie was his own victim, in the way he maneuvered here. I, there is one scene with Rizzo, that had me laughing out loud, and that was when Rizzo was, like, curled up in his little boat, with his legs, like, wrapped around, yeah, like, wrapped around the seat, for some reason, because that's comfortable, and like, in his professional, he took off. That's such a, like, mid-twenties sleeping position, it's like, oh my god, if Colby slept like that, he'd be out of the game the next day. Well, I, absolutely. There's so few flat spots on, in camp, to sleep, there's so few of them, and I slept on a little crate once, in a ball, just like, in, on a crate that was literally, like, two foot by two foot. I tried sleeping on the boats before, because the bamboo is not comfortable, sometimes the ground's either too hot, or, like, weird, or you don't want, like, bugs to get on you, um so you spread out you find a flat spot and whatever works that's your flat spot and rizzo's so you spread out. flat spot is the boat but i do agree mo like charlie hovering over rizzo like you awake yet buddy because i got something to say yeah like you got like a little bit of like like going on in the background like but i i just loved how rizzo phrased it and it's confessional as he was just like charlie came knocking up on my boat and like to me that's like that's like evoking the thing of i've never been like jostled awake for a conversation and walk and like walked away from that i've been like what a good time yeah super pleasant i'm glad he woke me up yeah yeah and that's exactly what's happening here like again also going back to sega charlie very notably said like early bird gets the worm go on those morning walks be the first one up And it's just, I think him just like not kind of reading that room of like, you're not on a tribe on that beach, or even your tribe before the swap. Right now you're sitting here with, you know, Rizgad, Ceri, who's just complete aura around her. You have Dee, who's also a very like boisterous, like she's large and in charge, and he loves large and in charge when it's her. Jonathan, who's kind of like a little bit more chill and like you're like Camilla and Devin, it's just like not the vibe to be so intense, especially when so many people haven't gone to tribal yet. Waking someone up like that is okay if they are your number one ally and you need to get some strategy in before the tribe sees you all together. That's the time when you can give And this is the time when you can give someone a nudge and be like, hey, here's what's happening. Here's what I think we should do. Think about it. Look at it. Go back to sleep. I will walk away. Like, that's it. It's not like hovering, being like, you awake? Who else did you tell about the boomerang idol? Who? It was. You know, Jonathan. Who's. Famous blabbermouth. Yeah. Yeah. Was Charlie trying to like be a little bit strategic there? He's like, if I wake him up at the ass crack of dawn, I'm more likely to get the truth out of him or catch him in a lie, like he'll bungle something or. I think. I think it was weighing on him so heavily that he was just like, I have to take action right now. I have to take action and figure this out right now. And I don't have time to wait for him to wake up. I think that was what he was doing. I think also to that, I think there is a part of strategy of not the like, oh my God, if I catch him off guard, he'll drink a truth serum or whatever. But I do think there is that value of you. It's a lot of people. It's a small beach. There are idols. Everyone's astute. So I think there was in that back of the mind, like, okay, great. I can get him when no one else will see me talk to him and he can have that confidence and he won't have time to get a story straight before I get him. Yeah. But I don't think it was that like, okay, I'm looking to startle him. Yeah. I. I think he probably was. He was stewing for an hour or two before that. Just like, should I? Should I not? Should I? Should I not? And then he's like, it's my only chance. I have to right now. And then he goes and I've had people wake me up on shows that were not in my alliance and it immediately left a bad taste in my mouth. Immediately. It was just like, what are you doing? We're not even that tight. And you know that. And like the thing you're asking me for, I don't even have to give to you because we aren't that tight. So it's. It felt like Charlie wasn't even in danger until he did this. Like Charlie was aiming for Rizzo, but Rizzo wasn't really gunning the other way until this kind of tipped it off and Rizzo was like, Charlie's trying to create divides here. It's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a classic like over, like really over tweaking and kind of like, this is 50. We got to play big. Like I got to get on this. I got to get them out. I got to get my pride back because apparently that's a big thing and valor and whatever else you want to throw in the season. But there's a saying in Thailand, sabai sabai. And that basically means like chill the F down. Like I hear it a lot from my co-workers personally, which is how I know this one, chill down. Like just chill down. Like it's all fine. Like take a beat, take a breath, be like Ozzy and get your like water metaphor on man or whatever else we got to do here. But coming on with that energy to so many fresh. Yeah. New non-tribal faces, like especially knowing that these alliances need to be tested, like Charlie loaded the powder keg himself, decided to go buy a match, came back, lit it and throw it in. Like this is a work of his own. Yeah. Yeah. I think especially on a tribe that hasn't really had to vote people out or had any of that. The best thing you can do is just be on as friendly and good of terms with everybody as possible and make life pleasant for everyone. And the intensity that Charlie brought was way too much for that first, who are we going to vote out? Let's go to Kalo tribe, where Coach, for some reason, just finds himself in charge of everything and everybody. Everybody's coming to Coach. He has now become the Tidewalker. The coach. The Tidewalker. The coach, if you will. Gives a couple nicknames. We've got the Stonebell and the Oakbound Warrior. Stonebell Monk. Yeah. Stonebell Monk. Okay. These aren't nicknames. If they're longer than your real name, they're not nicknames. Like, Joe is a single syllable. No. But I mean, it's Coach. If it were traditional, it wouldn't be a Coach nickname. Yeah. But I love this for one very specific nerdy reason. And that was, basically, Coach said back to back, this isn't Dungeons and Dragons. We're not going to do a Wizard and a Warrior. It's a Monk and a Warrior. It's totally different. Which, by the way, is also a class in D&D, Wizard and Monk. So, just putting that out there. So, Coach, which is classic Coach, to be like, I'm doing it all different. Yeah. Exactly the same is what I meant. Yes. Would you like a Coach nickname? Do you have something that, like, you seem like you're understanding the Dungeons and Dragons stuff well enough? What nickname do you think Coach would give you? So, again, I'll try. I don't think it's a Coach nickname, but a little bit of lore in Thailand is they give nicknames based on objects. So, your nickname could be, like, Door Handle. Your nickname could be, like, something, like, literally Water Bottle. And my nickname happens to be Watermelon, which is also longer than my real name. Because it is, like, a full, like, Dang Mo, which is, like, six times longer than Mo. Yeah. But I feel like going off that. Maybe just because the Watermelon, like, spirit has taken me over. Something in the, like, Fruit Ninja sphere of, like, slashing fruit is really what comes to mind. So, we can work on that. Okay. Something with a Samurai or something like that. Mm-hmm. I, yeah. I don't know if Coach ever gave me a nickname. I think he knew that I would not, like, really love the nickname. So, I think he just gave me, I was Assistant Coach, but he never addressed me as that. It was always Tyson. And then, we get this move from Aubrey, where she is recognizing that, oh, go ahead. Wait, before we move on from these nicknames. Yeah. So, I wanted to know more about these. I wanted to know more about these. So, I Googled. I Googled Stonebound. Did he tell us the truth or did he just make shit up? Stonebound Warrior. Do you know what comes up when you Google these, both of them? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Nothing comes up. Basically, no results at all. Yeah. He just, like, it's a Coach original. Stonebound Warrior. Stonebound and Oakbound Warrior. Incredible. He made up that there was meaning behind either of these? I mean, there might be. Coach may have access to some, like, ancient texts that have not been used in the internet. No, he for sure has access to ancient texts. I'm not saying that they're. If there's one person that does. Yeah, I'm not saying that they don't exist out there. But on the internet, on Google, nothing. Like, nothing relevant at all. That is so amazing. That makes it better. Yeah. I love it. And the one thing I also really love about this is, I don't think Joe and Colby have probably Googled these since coming back from the island. So, they're probably going around telling friends and family about this, like, ancient lore that they learned from the great coach on this island. This is how misinformation spreads. And I'm okay with that in this instance. Like, this is great. Bring on more. I mean, I also just need. Like, the D&D references out there. I need coach to play a bard, and I need him to play a bard, like, yesterday. Like, I need him to get on and get into that storyteller, like, lore. Like, I am going to win you over through playing my little lute or whatever he chooses to play. But he is just such. He really is a character in every sense of the word. Yeah. He. I mean, he talks about Coach 4.0 being gentler and more aware. But then. But then he immediately goes into, Dragon Slayer is ruling this game. He brings it back in, though. Yeah. He settles down. He brings it back down. I want to go back to that, actually, very fast. Okay. Of the Dragon Slayer. I think that was a really important moment of seeing Coach say he's not 4.0 because he recognizes Dragon Slayer is there. It's lurking. And he knows when it comes out. He knows that's a part of him. So, unlike someone who's, like, who Vicky is just like, I've changed completely the way, like, I'm doing. And maybe that's created a blind spot that other players haven't. I think Coach being recognizing that he still has Dragon Slayer in him, but it's evolved, I think is a really, really important note to make about his character development in the saga. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I agree. He did say he's like, I'm also more self-aware. I'm understanding. I don't think he fully does, but I think he does take moments to himself where he's like, how do people. How do people perceive me? And will he be able to be self-aware when it matters most to him or will the Dragon Slayer come out and be his downfall? Yeah. I mean, as a former student of yours, how do you think he's doing? Do you think he's really taken your advice to heart after all these years? No. No, he's not. He is absolutely not. But it's working for him. It's weird because Coach on Token Chains, while it was airing, got so much. So much hate. So much hate. The fans hated him. And came out on South Heroes vs. Villains, kind of more of the same, but like not quite as much. South Pacific, I don't think he really got the fanfare that he's getting now from people re-watching those seasons. Now, most people celebrate Coach from Token Chains. And people celebrate his appearance. And I think that it's a weird, it's a weird, weird, I don't even know what the, it's just the change that I don't know if it's the audience, if, if the times have changed and the way Coach was then is more celebrated for some reason because he was so wacky and out there. But it's given him, I think. license to embrace all of this even more. Like the amount of love Token Sheen's coach gets now, he was getting so much hate back then. He would call me crying on the phone saying, why does everyone hate me so bad? I mean, in a way, it's kind of like people know coach. We'll talk about this later of like Rushmore of Survivor or whatever you want to call it, but people know coach is a name to know. And I feel like going in that there's no way to get all the way to I want to watch a season called Token Sheen's without knowing coach might pop up. And if he does knowing that name, it's almost like spoon feeding this audience. The means the ends justify the means here like there is method to this madness. Like don't laugh because this guy goes on to become a legend. And when you go and look at especially a season for the first time with that view already in your mind. Yes, you're seeing all of coach. But you there's no way unless you have photographic memory that you can take in how many hours of Survivor there is. So the parts that really connect with you, the parts that you're looking for the parts that stick in your head, probably are skewing favorable because you know, he's a favorable dude. His end product is beauty. Okay. Yeah, I like that. I think I think you are right as people got to know him inside more and more and saw some of his more human moments, then everything else can be celebrated as as a whole. Yeah, we also see that with Q. I mean, he said it here. I think. Yeah, on your podcast of like this, the hate that he received in 46. Like, if that man believed in bullying, it might be that like people did not like him. Right? When you look here, it's he's one of the best characters of this age. He needs to come back, he will come back. And kind of what he has done to build his brand. When you look at 46, whether it's again, or a new time, you're like, Oh, I get it now. Or I just get it. Right. Right. I agree. And it is true. Yeah, it's I for some reason, building on the character and not deviating from who you were in those moments, I think does when you favor with the audience. Aubrey recognizes Coach, is in charge, and she goes to him. How good is this for her game? What is her future now that she is under Coach's wing? Couldn't be worse, you know? like she she didn't really have many allies other than you know what what is that one player i keep forgetting her name yeah yeah but so other than tiffany she doesn't really have many options and she doesn't really have much wiggle room and what coaches whether coach is bringing her an end game on a platter at the very minimum he is bringing her an option he is renewing her spirit even her spirit of what are we at now 10 11 days is a really long time to go on an island with no allies especially when you see a lot of duos or a lot of close clicks if you don't get or understand your tribe and this is where numbers come into play being one out the outcast of six it's just like okay more fish in the sea but after 10 days of i'm outcast on this huge tribe that's gotta sting yeah you have to figure it out i do you and i don't know what we're missing in the edit obviously there's so much that happens out there but i do like how calm she is playing knowing she has been the outcast for so long she's just moving at her pace she's having the conversations she's measuring the conversation she's understanding who's with her which is just tiffany right now till she supposedly gets coach and she's hopeful about that and i i respect that she is not panicking we're not seeing her panic we're not seeing her scramble she understands genevieve is against her uh and is even making jokes with genevieve at camp about it uh like who would have thought we're still both here 10 days later like we made it yeah so i think it's uh i think her being so measured is very very strong it's to be on the bottom and know that people are out to get you and that you don't have people in your corner and not scramble is crazy also like i think she's doing it in a very aubrey way like one of my friends i was actually talking to about this and she mentioned like oh yeah it's aubrey like does she want to be there she seems really like mopey and i'm like how happy would you be in this situation like i i think she's doing it in a very aubrey way which is like you know going for those idol hunts making those faces at the camera like kind of like being a little bit dour but like it'd be super weird if she were skipping off to collect coconuts for these people who want to plot against her right and even comparing contrast that to ozzy like ozzy exploded you expect some type of explosion for him that doesn't mean that he needs to like go nuclear on camp and with aubrey like she's not the outcast i expect her to be a little mopey i expect her to be a little sad i'm glad she's not just like tearing down her game and giving into the paranoia but she's behaving like a very refined version of her type of player would in this situation right i agree um and i think you know that shows the learning curve of survivor too you've played so many times you do learn and adjust as much as you can like it still gets difficult because you have to be who you are but uh i do believe that this is uh a veteran move being able to not lose your mind in these instances and scramble too hard um in in something the coach said here coach is kind of celebrating this role as i'm friends with everyone i'm in such a great position but what's your kind of take on these players who are kind of like the jack-of-all-trades master of none in a way where everyone is their buddy but it doesn't seem like they have like this tight tight it does get interesting um because i do have an answer for this i wasn't thinking of this initially but coach being like this is bad for jury management because if everyone feels like they're good with coach and then gets blindsided by coach then who's good with coach then who are you like oh i thought we were friends over them and if we're not then i don't feel like you gave enough loyalty to anybody i don't feel like you gave enough loyalty to anybody i don't feel like you gave enough loyalty to anybody i think it's a hard spot i think part of jury management is proving to people that you're loyal to them within reason and if coach has to disprove that if i'm or go against that belief that people have of him it's going to be bad i i think that that's was uh part of coaches uh loss on south pacific even aussie was like you promised me a thing you promised me a thing you didn't do the thing like to for coach to sit where he is right now he's having to make agreements that he's going to break and if everyone's they believes him to be honorable and it's filled with integrity because he keeps telling people that's what he is that's poor jury management i do believe that that will come back to bite him if he gets to the end yeah and i think actually something i wasn't even thinking about in the sense too is once you start playing with so many people you're playing for others not for yourself because your agency really becomes who can i get on the jury without with the least amount of damage versus who should i put on the jury to give me the farthest in this game while still maintaining some semblance of control like for example joe i hope he's taking him to final two because that man could not sit on a jury of coaches in that game like absolutely not i agree and even colby like you give someone a nickname you can't like you're not going to win their jury vote if you betray him absolutely and that it's it's a really interesting point but also i don't really what would you say is coach's path out of this as kind of like this kind of shield for 17 people at this point the only he would have to not be driving the game he'd have to let other people drive the game like if he can convince other people to drive the game and him be a passenger that's the his only way i believe i think if he's driving the game like he did on south pacific and making the calls and making the moves and convincing the people to do the thing i think he has a very hard battle in front of a jury if that's the case but i think if he can convince someone else to take the reins or make them feel like they are taking the reins or create the illusion that he is the passenger in some of these instances i think that will be good for him do you think you could own it too at final tribal like if he came in and was like yeah i know i'm coach and i'm the honor and integrity guy but actually i came to play this game this time and use that because everybody would already be like yeah we know that asshole like they would already go yeah they would all that's not a reveal it wouldn't it wouldn't get you joe's vote but like no i don't know it's not a reveal people would already see that so him owning it would i don't think would they might i think i don't think that was part of his problem on south pacific if i he didn't own it correct that could have been a few years yeah but also i still don't think he would have won aussie over and i think that it would have been still tricky i think yeah if he continues down this path and is the epicenter of everything and gets to the end i think his greatest hope is that the jury will think it's kind of funny if coach wins and that like the humor of coach winning over whoever the other two that are with him is just like too good it's not three because that's no as long as it's not three that's not funny yeah but i i think coach has a very clear path to two or three but i struggle to see his path to one and i i think too with coach in the sense you're not playing against newbies you're playing with people with egos and with people who have come in with a game with something to prove and if you start owning it like i did that and i did that and i did that that's another way to lose a jury vote yeah and i also think like coach this isn't a blunder by coach this is coach's personality and sometimes your own personality gets in the way of you being able to win a game like survivor there's a measure to keeping people at arm's length but keeping them close enough that they feel a little bit but when you betray them they don't feel so betrayed and i think that coach his demeanor even the tones of his voice like when i got on token chains and i heard his voice and the way he talked initially i was like i love this guy he is seems like a shooter and he seems like he's super into me and that is powerful and uh and i think that that can feel extra cutting if it betrays you and i think that coach is just a personality like that where he does like bring a lot of love to you as a human and you love it but then when he gets you it hurts too bad so a final three of coach rizzo and ozzy winning that would be well no but if coach won over those three wouldn't that just be hilarious it would be hilarious it would be hilarious and i think like i really do think like ozzy being in the end with coach like you said like him also playing times it's maybe you give it to Ozzie in that moment. Like coach would have to go with two newer era players. that hadn't played so much that I think that's coach's best chance is go with a couple new era players. I think it depends who's on the jury and how a lot of, a lot of runway left. I mean, another thing is like, we talk a lot about post game poisoning or pregame poisoning, but we don't talk about jury poisoning. And that's the thing too. Like if you put Joe as King of Ponderosa, that's going to be really difficult for you. And it all comes back to the Joe in the room. But no, I think that there's still a lot of runway left, but for coach, I, it's tough having such a presence as he does and taking such command. Like we see it as a complete contrast to Sari, who has that kind of like same, like elevate, not to say Ozzie doesn't, but in that like same, like, oh my God, it's Sari energy. And she's very comfortable being like, okay, I like Riz God is looping me in. I'm working with other people. I'm sitting on the hammock with Emily and we're talking about which way we want to swing. And I think having that more like balanced, like less front man approach, which is again, more Sari style is a better move later game for this reason, because she's not burning so many people on the way there. Right. She's kind of letting the game come to her. Uh, uh, whereas coach is a little more aggressive in the game's coming to coach. Coach too, but he's also taking charge of it. And I think Sari is letting the game come to her and not necessarily having to be in charge every step of the way she makes her move when she needs to. Um, but she's not constantly dictating the direction. I'm pro football, hall of famer, Brian Dawkins. And I lived for a long time with something I did not know the name of major depressive dyslexia. I'm a major depressive dyslexia. I'm a I carry sadness and anger because I thought I could handle it alone, but I couldn't. 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versus uh versus jonathan showdown in the water joe was there too and joe was there too joe was there too joe was in the back he got gassed i was surprised at how gassed everybody was i do believe i would have come in first in that leg out of those three guys you really think so over jonathan yeah i mean aussie beat jonathan pretty much except for the digging part wait no jonathan was the head in the water i thought no aussie got out of the water first in the edit maybe aussie aussie got his bags untied and came out of exited the ocean first what jonathan got out of the ocean first what did he smoke him on the bag on time did he like he caught up to him and surpassed him a little bit on the bag on time i do believe if even if jonathan came in first it was just barely it was neck and neck exiting the water i think aussie got out of the water first i'm not re-watching it i'm re-watching it i'm pulling it up well i mean if it makes you feel better i think you two would if you were to be plopped on that island i do think you two would come in first place i think i might even come in first place if you just like plopped me there with gas oh no i would anyways i i am an endurance athlete and seeing how gassed everyone was at the end of it i was like it was like three minutes of effort i'm used to like i don't know a six hour effort i would have been fine i'm trying to think of like what was the producer's plans how they voted out three these three very athletic men to do this very long very grueling portion like would have just been like a doggy paddle up the stairs because we saw last week and like people couldn't even make it through the net well but genevieve got through the net what are we looking at now we're looking at the net we're looking at the net we're looking at the net we're looking at the net we're looking at the net we're looking at this untying thing as well she didn't do the digging that hole was already created for but people get through it all right i re-watched it tyson i have to regrettably regrettably you were correct ozzy was a little bit ahead of him as they were running up the beach i think he was out of the water first early on jonathan had the lead i think ozzy made it up on the road jonathan's a sprinter he's a he's a he was a sprinter in college swimming i was a distance swimmer in college swimming okay so ozzy did not swim in college so endurance so add that to your list of training for survivor is to endurance swimming athlete training in college i don't think it matters i don't think it matters because uh these challenges in the end aren't what win you the game uh but we people talked about the showdown they wanted the showdown they wanted to see ozzy versus jonathan in the water do we give this one to ozzy is it not a was it not a straight water challenge what is uh i i need more water i'm not gonna i need them to go under i need them to like maybe dive down i feel like what what did it here was the tying which is like not only above ground it's like in a ladder so like i feel like that deducts a lot of points like it's way above water yeah but that's upper body strength having to get up there after sprinting swimming climbing those surfaces is difficult when you're gassed already um but we did get a physical show down there between those uh guys and uh i think some notable things tiffany changing the game by untying the bags in a way never seen the lasso method is that tiffany's forever stamp on the game now tiffany lasso people have been calling her that for years yeah now we know why yeah now we know why and then uh callow comes from behind because of tiffany and yeah because of coach throwing the sandbag or getting the sandbag on his first try with the uh anchor thing and and then joe gets a bunch of sandbags on the on the pedestals so really crazy come from behind i'm having a hard time for them i i actually so we played this challenge in my season and i was playing it with charlie and And a big thing about this is it's, like, 90% how long your arm is. Like, if you can just kind of, like, put your arm up and be like, you have a much better shot at this than even if you're taller or, like, Tiff was trying for a bit and couldn't really get heads or tails. So just, like, having that advantage of my arm is two-thirds of the way there. I also, I don't know if Joke did this intentionally or they just kind of fell that way, but deciding to go for the higher ones first and kind of leave the easiest for last when, you know, the most pressure is on, where you're shaking, when you're fatigued was a really, really smart challenge play. Yeah, I do generally try to do that. Like, if there's, like, a far toss, I go for that one first. If there's a long, like you said, it gives a few things. Like, yeah, it's easier when you're under pressure to hit those shorter shots. And also, like, not everybody can throw something far enough. Like, we saw. Earlier this season, when Seri was trying to throw a ball on a rope and couldn't even get it halfway across the field, like, some people can't throw as well. So if you're throwing and have the capacity to throw at the further or higher distance, then you should be doing it because you don't know the full extent of the talent of the rest of the tribe. Yeah. The other thing I noticed, and I don't know if this was a production call this time, but, like, they would throw one and then go get it. Throw one and go get it. And especially in challenges like this, once you get hot, you get hot. So to me, I'm like, why couldn't they just do five, go get five, five, go get five. So there might have been something there because once you get on a roll and kind of, like, know where your elbow needs to be, it's like shooting a free throw. Right. I did notice that, too. Tiffany threw one and then had to run and grab it again. So I do believe that that was the rule. You had to retrieve every beanbag until you got it to stick. Which adds to fatigue and makes you a little dizzy if you're really bad. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little bit of a throw-in. So. Seri did the best in a challenge, this challenge. And I just want to give her her. Flowers. Her stuff. Yeah, her flowers. Because, yeah, sure, it was just, like, emptying, like, the coconut bags and finding the keys. I think she did amazing. So I want to give her that because she, you know, she hasn't been doing that well with challenges. The dump and grab. Historically. Yeah. The dump and grab. She set herself up for success with that one. She knew what she was doing. She's like, I got this. And she did get it. And she did do it. I did kind of. I saw Genevieve do the swimming portion and the climbing portion. And then I started looking at the other tribes as, like, so who else could even have done this swimming, climbing, untying portion? It does. Like, there are scenarios where if certain people wouldn't have been on certain tribes, maybe no one would have been able to finish this. Or one out of the two. Like, maybe there are people that wouldn't have finished that first leg. I think that matters, actually. And I don't know. You can probably speak. You can speak more to this is how much this matters in a returnee season is keeping people for performance. Because in situations like this, you do have that recency bias, right? Of, like, why did we lose the challenge? And when you have two or three of these very heavy physical challenges over and over, even if you lost and you lost by that much, you notice that. Versus had there been, like, a puzzle at the end? Or had. There had been maybe some, like, more mental finesse in this challenge? Yeah. That might have helped shield some of the players who, you know, strength isn't their forte. And I think that does, not completely, but might also contribute a little bit to what we're seeing in voting as well. I do believe that returning seasons do not care about physical strength at all unless you are part of the. Of the physical strength. And then your sales pitch is to keep the tribe physical. So it really fully depends on if the majority of people believe themselves to be physical. Then you're on the right side of the numbers. But. And even me, like, I'm physical. I'm decent at challenges. That would be my sales pitch if we're going to tribal pre-merge is let's keep the tribe strong so we don't come back here. But I don't care that bad. I'm with my group. So whoever my group is, that's who I'm. Protecting, regardless of how physical they are. And I think that that's the general consensus. I mean, but also, like, as me, for someone you're pitching to, whether I'm like, oh, yeah, like, we got to win. There's that, like, little recency bias, like, chirping in the back of my mind of, like, we did just get our asses handed to us because it was physical versus had we done something mental, I would have been like, yeah, you're good at challenges, but I, like, can you do this puzzle? So, like, have. Having that. Yeah, I can do puzzles, too. this and the last one. Yeah. We. Yeah, we can do puzzles. We can do hard things. And also, keeping the tribe strong means so many different things. You can define it any way you want to. It's, like, so stupid. But, like, that's literally your sales pitch to everybody. Like, I go to somebody who's not physical. I say, we got to keep the tribe strong. And you are the strongest puzzle person. So, obviously, you're part of the strong. You're the most loyal. So, obviously, that's strong. For us, like, we need loyalty. Like, you can make it mean whatever you want. But, yeah, I don't think people care. Kind of. No. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. What's strongest for their game? It's not keeping the tribe strong. It's what's strongest for your game is what you're going with. But we'll get to this in a little bit. But I think, like, this kind of speaks a little bit, too, about using what is given to you in the game to your advantage in that unique way of, like, having. Having these strong, strong challenges makes it easy for Jonathan to sell himself as this Herculean being. And also, we saw it with Rizgad of Kyle getting Meta back. Made it very easy for him to sell himself as Camilla, like, number one ally. So, I think, like, having these different, like, pieces that are maybe more structural in the game give you more leverage in unique ways. Well, let's go to. Well, I mean, we'll be there right now. Let's go to. Let's go. Scylla. We got Scylla. Okay. Everybody knows it's a double. Double elimination. They're whatever. And it's weird because they're kind of, like, just all bonding and hanging out for a little bit. And then. And then we get this, like, girls versus guys with Rizzo in the middle. And I have to say, if Rizzo's on a third season and you're a guy. Watch out. He's not a guy's guy. Let's watch out. What are you talking about? He's great. Keep him in. Great. Come on. Go on, Rizzo. Hush. Does something like that damage your game for future appearances? Like, is Rizzo going to. Like, Russell Hands is renowned for taking a couple young females he feels like he can manipulate and going. And it did damage his game in seasons, the next seasons he tried to play. I think that Rizzo here saying this is fine in the. In the moment. But it could come back to bite him in season 55. Everything Rizzo does can come back to bite him. He's Riz God. Like, I think that's, like, the number one thing he has been very clear on is I am telling you what I am. Like, I am a beast of a player. I did amazing with idols. I, like, goaded my season. So I think him being like, yep, I want strong women is you're going to find out one way or another. And people. So people also talk so much on Survivor about who's sleeping next to who and stuff. Stuff like that. And, like, yes, that's true. But we need to also pay attention to the awake version of this. And I found it really interesting when they came back to camp. Because when you get off the boat, right? Yeah. You come and you walk together and then you plop down near the fire pit to kind of, like, give that nice shot of everyone there. And where you plop is kind of who you're walking next to and where you're sitting next to. And in this scenario, you had Charlie on the floor by himself. And then you had Camillo, Rizzo, and Dee on one bench. And then Seri, Jonathan, and Rick Devins on the other bench. And knowing as a viewer and kind of being, you know, a little bit very much behind the scenes, you can kind of see that playing out in that dynamic is Rizzo is stationing himself between Camillo and Dee. He walked up with those two. Yeah. And Charlie probably. He came up last, which is why he's on the floor. And then you see Rick, who's, like, a little bit more maybe on the outs, but people aren't really noticing or bugging about him, kind of come up first with Jonathan, who's also just kind of playing the happy-go-lucky guy here. So I think how people position themselves is a lot here. Yeah. And I don't think it's subconsciously. I think that a lot of times people say, oh, it's subconscious. But it's like, if I'm with you, Mo, and I don't want you to even question my loyalty, I'm sitting by you. I'm like, yeah, it's you and me. Why wouldn't I? Like, this is where I'm sitting. I'm sitting next to my person. Like, that's. You have to. And, like, the second that Rizzo is all sitting by Rick, that gives Dee and Camillo a pause. They're like, why is he just sitting with. Like, everything is. I don't think everyone's measuring every single action like this, but there are definitely people out there that are measuring these actions. And I definitely look at it, and I would. purposely surround myself with the people I am actually going to be with so that they know that I'm there. Like that's by design. Either the people you know or the people you're trying to bring in. I feel like the people who you have the most forward-looking relationship with should be the closest to you because they're the people you need to earn their trust with. And at this point, you have nothing to show other than your only action at this point is I want to talk to you. I want to be near you. I want to give you information. And one of the small like acts of kindness you can give them is sitting next to them on a bench or, you know, giving them a nice little like during lockdown, like something like that, something very small. But I thought that was very interesting coming into this, how they flopped down. Yeah, that does make sense. And I also noticed Charlie saying, you know, everybody else is talking a little bit about this. A little bit about strategy. We have Rizzo telling Camilla that Kyle told him to find Camilla, which Camilla not buying, but tells him, I love that. I love that Camilla like immediately is like, that doesn't, they were together a day. Like that doesn't make sense. And so we get this gameplay and this back and forth and we get Rizzo telling Seri he has an idol and Seri never tells anyone that she has anything. But she's also never had anything. So how could she have ever divulged that information in the past? It's her first advantage. And she tells Rizzo she has one and she's locked in. But the juxtaposition of Charlie saying, there's no strategy going on because we're already pretty locked. Like that's, if that's you saying that to yourself, nine times out of 10, you're left out of the vote. Especially on an all-star season. Yeah. Where we said like everyone wants to play big and it's like, oh, I guess nothing's going on. Straightforward vote this week. I don't know. Yeah. You also go see that on the other tribe as well. As you see Emily being kind of the same thing, but a very different sentiment, which is this seems too easy. I'm worried what is going on. And then we kind of start to spiral. I don't want to go there quite yet because, you know, Orange is so fascinating. But I think that there's a lot to be said about how Charlie perceives him as himself in this game and how he's kind of coming to terms and like incorporating that into how he's playing. Also with the Camilla, I loved how she played this because she was just like, what does serve me is Riz God. What does serve me is Riz God thinking I buy this. What doesn't serve me is blind loyalty. And to have that tucked away in the back of your head, but to have that kind of like barrier and that Oscar worthy performance twice in this episode, mind you. Yeah. I think she's very smart about what people need to see and what people need to hear from her. I want to talk about Camilla here because she views herself as in the middle. And historically, I've always believed that being in the middle is the place you want to be because you drive where the game goes. But I took a step back and I thought being in the middle, you're betraying one side. You're creating enemies. You're the person that made it not work. Yeah, but in this scenario, I think that's fine. She's not, she's not on Joe's tribe. You know, the people that she's betraying have this more like game mind. Like I think if Riz God got blind, blindsided, he would have like, he would have been like badge of honor. Oh my God, the sucks badge of like. - Yeah. - Like I think he has enough wherewithal to respect the game in that sense, because that's the type of player he is. I think later down, depending on how she navigates this middle and who she aligns with, especially knowing her previous relationship with Joe and how that might play out as Joe kind of like snatches on to this coach Colby, and through that coaches myriad of people. I think that will be an issue later on. But I think right here, being in the middle with these people isn't an awful place to be. - I think she has to justify to Devins and Jonathan, her reasoning for, getting rid of Charlie, 'cause she was in that four pack of the majority that was going to target Riz God. And so I think that her coming back and saying, hey, I just got shady vibes from Charlie. I heard some stuff. Did you know about the boomerang idols? He's like, I don't know. Like there's stuff she can do to do the damage control. But I do believe that in a lot of situations, being in the middle can come back to bite you. - Well, so the two people she would really be burning. Here is Devins and Jonathan. - Right. - So let's look at that for a second. 'Cause Devins, I didn't really get the sense that Camilla and Devins have been aligned. They've been more like on the side. - Except for they came from the same tribe. So they're assuming, or at least Charlie has assumed that they are a four pack. I think Jonathan also, it was Camilla was with them, right? It was Jonathan, Devins, Charlie, and Camilla were, or Dee. - It was Dee and Camilla or just Dee? - It was Dee. - Dee, Charlie. - Dee, Camilla, Jonathan, and Charlie were the Kahlo four. - Yes. - So they end up just. - Devins was on the tribe. - Oh, they pulled Devins in. Yeah, they pulled Devins in. So you're right. So she wasn't really, she had no allegiance to Devins whatsoever. So Jonathan is the only one she really betrayed. - Jonathan is really the only one she betrayed. And also kind of, you gotta portray someone in this game. - Right. - Where people will have to go. And as far, we kind of like joked about it earlier of like, oh, blabbermouth Jonathan. Like if you know Jonathan from his previous season and kind of playing with this game of the people to burn, I think he's kind of a safer one in terms of really driving to vote you out. Like he seems to be a little bit more in the going along with it as a space in the game and in a very good position, albeit, but not as much a driver of a vengeance vote. So her burning those two people, if you're looking for people to burn, isn't the worst thing in the world. - Yeah. And with Rizzo bragging about every cool thing he'd done on 49 and everybody's rolling their eyes and stuff, is this bad for Rizzo's end game? Does this matter? Do you keep him in because you think he's kind of a chump? Like what is your take on this if you're sitting there listening to this right now? Or do you target him? Do you say, okay, well, let's see how cool you are now. What? - I think he's playing the game Devon's wish he could play. Like he's kind of being that like good time boy. - Brash and open and laughing about it the whole time. - Yeah. Like it's all fun and games until you get idled out by a boy named Rizgod, right? - Yeah. - And even Saree was talking about that. I'm like, yeah, this like twerp named Rizgod came up to me. And then later she's like, he saved, like I feel so much better. And I think that's part of his allure and part of his charm and how he did so well is he is this like brash character. And you see that a lot on reality TV of these like big, like big, bold egos coming in and not always the chops to back them up. - Right. - But in this case, they don't know that he does. And I personally, he said something in one of his confessionals that we talk a lot about. I want to be on the face of survivor Rushmore. I want to be one of the greats. He didn't say that. He wanted to be the GOAT. So to me, like he is in a league of his own at this point in like really looking toward his future in this franchise and saying like, I am playing a game no one has played before, which he is. I am making these decisions and I'm ready to be this big, bold character. And that fits with everything he wants, with everything he has played and with everything he is playing at the moment. - With being on survivor Mount Rushmore, wouldn't you have to win your first try pretty much? Or is there other way? Like, he just has to win. He just has to win three in a row from here on out. Like, what is his path to being on the Rushmore? - Well, the kind of agreed upon Rushmore has, you know, two people who didn't win on their first try, right? It's usually like Rob, Parvati, Tony, and Sandra, right? So Rob and Parvati took multiple tries before they won. - But now. - I don't think Rizzo's gonna supplant one of those. - Now three of the four have two wins. - Yes. - He doesn't want to be on Rushmore. He wants to be the goat. - Right, so he wants to be above them. So he's there at the top and then the Rushmore is under the four. - Yeah, there's like a-- - But that would mean he'd have to surpass them. - Yeah, I mean, we have a deep, we have a lot of goat lore in Survivor and Rizgad really wants to like join that name here. But he just wants to do things different. He doesn't want to be compared with the greats. He wants to carve his own way. He wants to like, even calling it the goat, is such a like new age, like the Mount Rushmore, so poetic and so old age. And like, you know, like the memory, like the blurred edge on the flashback-esque, of saying like, I'm the goat. Like I imagine like Rizgad like dunking a basketball at this point. Like he is like really going for it in a brazen way that's not really comparable to those long form, two season, three season wins. - I remember all the times in time, Tom Brady's career where he kept calling himself the goat. No one else was, but he always, and continuously forever let everyone know he was the GOAT. Riley, is that? I think you can't call yourself the GOAT. You're supposed to let others call you that. It's like a nickname. Yeah, I think in terms of, right, you need to let some other people kind of like be the- Take the helm, the driving seat of your legacy. To create the like mythology and the story and everything. That said, I mean, Tom Brady and so many of these other athletes are just have like, they're insane as far as their like conception of their own abilities and stuff. Like you'll have like guys in the NBA who are like, you know, off the bench players or whatever, and they're absolutely convinced that they're the best player on the court. And it's like you almost just have to have that mindset because the moment you don't, then you're just going to be like out of the league entirely. Even if it's like clearly delusional, you know, you're wrong. It's like, well, you need to be a little bit delusional to even like be at that level. Right. Yeah, I kind of agree. I like that Rizzo is basically just like, I can be the best in this playing as hard as he can. I don't think it'll happen that way for him, but you know. Yeah. I need him to hang on more because speaking of like nicknames, one, we're not even going to touch who gave him Riz God, but I really need Coach to- He gave himself Riz God. I want to see where this goes with Coach giving Riz God a Riz God name. Ooh. You think Coach is going to give Rizzo? A different nickname? Oh, I don't hope I imagine it. And I'm going to manifest this into happening because I need this on my screen or at least on my Twitter. I didn't even realize we made it. We were getting Rizzo and Coach on the same tribe. One of the things I wanted most for this season. Now that we get the merge, we did it. They're safe. We're going to get Rizzo-Coach interactions. This is amazing. The real winner of the season. Yes. Yes. The Rizzo nickname bestowed. By Coach. Let's go to the SELA Tribal Council. Did anything stand out there to anyone particularly? I mean, maybe we should talk about the two tribals because I think we talked, like, knowing the intensity of the Charlie Broad, I think was manifested in tribal itself. Yeah. Especially juxtaposing it compared to, like, Impression Jeff to how are you doing? I'm in a pressure cooker. Like, it was a complete, like, glass shattering moment. Wow. I didn't even think of that. Yeah. Yeah. Comparing the two of those, I think Tit for Tat speaks to the two reasons maybe some people got eliminated or voted out this week. So let's go back to, let's check on our good friends on Purple. Okay. We'll go there first. So we've got Vaatu. And we have the, it's Angelina or, who was the other target? Christian? Christian. Kind of. Kind of. Steph's name was out there as a decoy. Steph's name was the decoy. Yeah, because then Stephanie ends up getting the other vote. Right. And it shaped it like it was Angelina or Christian. There wasn't, it was pretty straightforward. That was like, we weren't, we weren't questioning really unless they were hoodwinking us as an audience into believing something that was not even close to true. Wait, wait, hold on. Can we talk about Jeff's impression? Impression work? We are, we're going to in a second here. Okay. I just want to make sure we don't jump ahead to the actual vote. I just wanted to touch on Vaatu's pre-games or pre-tribal scramble, but it was very straightforward. Well, can I ask, what did Christian call Ozzy? He called him like a certain name. I have it here. Pauly Prissy Pants. Pants are a delicate subject for Christian. I'm surprised he'd go there so early. Yes. Yes. Basically, he's very sensitive. Shocking. But the one thing I did kind of notice on Purple is I think Steph's in a really great position considering she is objectively the out. And they're like, hey, person on the outs, can we use your name? And she's like, yeah, sure, whatever. I know it's so straightforward. So I think when you get to that level of even the person on the outs is like, yeah, throw my name out there. Shout it to the wind. Like, it's pretty. You know what's going to happen. And I do also like the juxtaposition here of we also have someone in the middle. Angelina. We have the Emily, Christian, and the Ozzy, Steph. And Angelina perceives herself to be in the middle. And she's the one that ends up going home versus Camilla being in the middle, being totally safe. It can go either way. Like that's. And was she really in the middle? No, because Ozzy was kind of together with Christian and with Emily. And so it wasn't. I don't think that was actual factual. Yeah, it's more like a spectrum with Angelina on the outs. But I'd say something I've been pleasantly surprised about 50 is how little previous seasons have really like come into play. Like now that we're getting more into it, like watching the David versus Goliath basically cannibalize themselves, whether it's intentional or not, having 46, we're down to one. And we started out with three. Yeah. Like there's still some gameplay of like the old school versus new schools. And when you get into like the more tangled webs, but to see that live and that willingness to work with so many people has been a real delight to see. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I do believe that the pre-gaming webbed out across all eras and wasn't so cut and dry as new versus old, et cetera. And that comes with like this weird, all these survivor events and everything. You meet a lot of people like you. So you gravitate towards people you like, and it doesn't necessarily matter what era they played or who they are or how old they are or any of that. So I think we're getting some of that as well. Yeah. The other thing too is, I mean, this is a new era game. So you have the old era who have these relationships who are super deep and who probably would be more likely to have those like ride or dies, but they can't survive. That way they need their like, you know, like emotional support new era player to like help guide them through the like Philly Eilish boomerang and the Jimmy Buffett buffet or whatever else they feel like throwing out this season. But having that, those twists and those mechanics speak more to the new era, I think it's helped lighten that up as well. Right. Tribal councils now. I thought it was so light of Jeff to just like start doing impressions. Like he does Jonathan. I give him like a C, maybe a C plus on the Jonathan, the Colby. Great. A minus, maybe a B plus. Like it was very strong. And the Christian. The body language changed between the two of them. That is. That I think is what really sold me because they have like kind of similar draws, but when you go from like this to like this, like you really see Jeff lock in. Yeah. And then the Christian impression was very also the body language and the just a little bit of stuttering and the all of it. I, he was good. He was, I was hoping to see a little bit more. I don't know if I need to see it on an episode of survivor, but like if Jeff is going to make public appearances, on a stage, this is a great place for him to do this. Like, here you go. Like if we are at the live finale, if we're at the live finale together during commercial breaks, I hope that we see Jeff do an impression. Sorry of everybody that he can do. I love that. I think I needed a little bit more syllables in the words that he used for Christian. But apart from that, like pretty spot on, I mean, you could tell like he he's a showman. And he's, you can tell when Jeff has a fun time and what is a fun season and what is a fun tribal and what is a serious one and what is a game changing one or divisive one. And I think that is exactly what we saw in like the whiplash fan of two minutes. Yeah, I agree. And I, I, I do also, like, I go back to this phone call with Colby and he said, this season felt so different. He's like, it was so positive. Everybody was having so much fun. And he said, because we've gotten a lot of, uh, chatter around the country singer, uh, last week, Colby and coach were both present on that reward. And Colby said it was most definitely one of the best days of his life. And it was amazing. And he's like, I know it didn't fully transfer or translate to TV to watch a country guy go spear fishing and then sing to us, but he's like, we had so many hours with him. He hung out. Uh, coach still also says the best reward he's ever had on survivor Colby said the same thing. And so I, and we saw that on the internet, but, oh, I bet for these few contestants, it was an absolutely amazing day. But for us as viewers, we're not getting that experience. Yeah. I just didn't need the commercial. Yeah. I think there is a way to do both. And I think part of that too, is like at the end of the day, we come to watch this on a survivor and I would have loved to see more about how the contestants. And how the castaways felt about it, talked about it, and also even how that affects your gameplay. The biggest gift you can give someone on Survivor is an hour of ease and mental clarity. Because if you can relax your brain, if you can take a step back, if you cannot be in that fight or flight mode that you always are on when you're scrambling or at the beach, that can improve your gameplay. And when you put it in the context of that, this is such an important, valuable reward. Yep, he had like a machine gun to go spearfishing with, but also like the castaways had a moment of clarity. And I'm, whether they call it out or not, I am kind of curious in a, you know, scientific experimental way, how these people do who have had that clarity coming into a very chaotic mega merge. Right. 17 people merge, I think, is that the number? It is a full season. Yeah, season 51. Yeah. We're about to start. We, let's go to the Sela Tribal Council, where Rizzo, again, just tooting his horn here, says historically back-to-back players have done really, really well. They've gone really far. Is this like a smart thing for him to say? Is it strategic of him or is he just saying, is he just being Rizzo or does he think like, if I toot my horn loud enough, people will either disbelieve it or be unthreatened by it? It could be like, you know, the Rachel Lamont, like, version of a test with the, like, hey, if I toot my horn, is anyone jumping here? Does this actually matter? Like, what is my reputation here? Because, like, he's been very loud and very open. And, like, he kind of knows, like, you're not batting an eye. So I feel like that's, this episode has given Rizzo license to, like, frolic and be free. Like, clearly you can do that in a very controlled group and it did not have repercussions. It might not work for everyone, but you know, it's not as big a deal as the mental strain is making you think it is, probably. So I, I think this gave him a little bit more leeway just to relieve a little bit of that facade that he might have been putting on to this point. Also, he probably, like, giddily fangirled when Devin's called him a peer. Like, oh my God, what a word. To be like, yeah, like, this is my peer here. And, like, after you saw him approach Suri like that, oh, you know, he skipped back to camp. So happy. I'm so happy for him. So happy. Yeah. Anything else jump out this episode before we get into Riley's reads? I think maybe we should have a counter for how many tribals Rizzo goes to without using his idol. Because if he does it again, I think that he should be on some sort of list. Something that did actually jump out, and I'm sure someone out there probably named Brandon Donlan knows the answer to this. But is this a record? I think this is a record for the fastest title mention in an episode, because it was, like, the second sentence said. Like, it really, it set the tone for the whole thing. And really, it was about. What was the title? What was the title? And it was, like, the second sentence. Okay. And that was Christian said it, right? Or no, Ozzy said it. Christian said it. Christian said it. Christian's had, like, four titles or something. Like, I think, like. Star of season 50. I think he's had the title for, like, four. Of the five episodes, I'm pretty sure. Someone, again, Brandon Donlan will probably know. But it was the first confessional. We'll figure it out. Riley, let's get into your reads. What do we got? All right. Who did the most to advance their game on this episode? Mo, do you have an answer for that? Who did the most to advance their game? Honestly, give it to Rizzo. I think he really solidified. It's between him or Aubrey, quite frankly. Who, like, really came from. From, like, the bottom to, like, the midway. But, unfortunately, we don't really get enough airtime. And we didn't spend much time talking. So, I don't know how much that's taken root. So, I'm giving that honorable mention for now. But I think Rizzo, out of, like. Yes, he has told everyone and their mother about how idols work this season. But also, he's now kind of made one of the only true cross-tribe, cross-generational alliances to seem. Where he's built these trusts from so many different angles. That where he ends up, he seems like he has a good spot to land. Okay. I'll take your number two, Aubrey, there. I like that. With recognizing coach is in the lead. And that if anyone can protect her, then it will be him. And also, you know, maybe her understanding that coach has played enough to understand that the people on the bottom do really matter to your game. And he evens, like, she's on the bottom, but there should be a way for us to work together. So, I like that Aubrey was able to make that conversation happen and seemingly win coach over a little bit. I'm going to give it to Riz God. He, the minute he started an alliance with Seri, I was like, oh, he just kind of, like, opened up a big branch of different types of relationships he can have. Because Seri is, like, she's good with Ozzy. She's good with Emily. She's good with. She's good with, you know, all these different people. And so, I feel like even if Rizzo keeps the Rizzo stuff up at Tribal, I think he's in a really, really good spot with his relationship. So, just good move. I also want to shout out Seri, who the last time we saw this tribe, it was like Jonathan and Dee were like, we got to get Seri out. They vote against each other in this first Tribal Council. And Seri is, like, I think very smartly sharing some information with Rizzo. Building an alliance there. And her name doesn't get thrown out even once. Yeah. All right. Who damaged their game the most? Not Emily Flippin, for once. Let's go, girl. That we saw. That we saw. That we saw. But I do think maybe looking on that tribe, I think that Ozzy showing his cards a little bit to Christian with the, hey, like, you need to give it to me. I think Christian's really buying that. he was over it until then. And you said like, star 50, like, this might not evolve well for him, especially he doesn't know it. But what's happening on the other beach with Sari tying into so many other people, I don't think he's going to have that same protection that he did earlier on. I'm going to go a little bit more subtle route that I could be totally off on. There's two of first of all, Rizzo, like tooting his own horn so much that people eye rolled, but it was so much that people eye rolled. So nobody seems threatened by it. So they could just be like, whatever. So it could be a big nothing burger, but it could also come back to bite him. They could vote him out next and be like, he said he was so good. Like we had to get rid of him. Or coach giving nicknames, making it very hard to manage a jury when people feel very close to him and then he betrays them. So I feel like he's going to have to do that. I feel like he's going to have to do that. I feel like the both of those could be nothing. They could absolutely not materialize at all, as I predict. But they are blunders that could come back to haunt both of them. Coach is a little weird. And I feel like that's a long term blunder. But short term, that might actually be really necessary for coach. Yeah, that's true to move forward and to be coach for the people. It may actually get him further in the game, but end up being bad for his endgame. Yeah, you can't lose a final three if you're not there. That's true. Ashley. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say Rizzo again. I think he did the best and the worst this episode. I think he may have talked a little too much. And I feel like when he lied to Camilla, she obviously knew immediately. And I feel like Camilla just is able to connect with people a little better than Rizzo is able to. So if she's, if she puts, that into somebody's ear, like, Oh, have you seen what Rizzo is doing? What he's saying? And he's still also the only player in the game that no one knows, like any about like anything about his gameplay. I feel like if people just like lean on that a little bit more, he's in trouble. And if he keeps speaking up too much during tribal, he might rub some people the wrong way. So like, I think Rizzo, he's on the line. Right? Okay. Riley, you know, this kind of goes back almost more to last episode, but I might say Christian, just in a similar jury management sense where it's like, what do you do with Ozzy that doesn't end up with him on the jury telling everybody that you were a snake or whatever? It's like this, this is like going to be a very difficult thing for Christian to manage going forward, even though I think he did, you know, the right thing, giving up the shot in the dark and whatever. Or should he have just gotten rid of Ozzy right there? Pre-jury. Yes. Yes. It's now that now they're going to the merge. And so I don't know if the jury's going to be like 14 people, but I think the jury will be big. Yeah. If we are now at the jury portion of the game, I think it creates problems for Christian. Okay. Yeah. I don't disagree. Or Christian just has to make sure someone blunders more than he did with Ozzy because he did a pre-merge blunder. So if he can find another way for someone else to take the fall or to like, really be like, yeah, like, sorry, I would have told you, but so and so didn't like, he just has to kind of like wave a little bit of a shiny object in front. I feel like that might be the jury path forward here. Yeah. uh okay let's do some predictions let's do winner picks well who you got oh winner picks um based on this episode i think i'm going with maybe a little bit more of the demure people at this point like i think aubrey's on the up and up like we'll stand behind i also think stuff even being on the bottom being able to like give away put your voice out there and be like hey vote for me it's fine like i think she's in a really good strong position um and i he's on the bottom but i think devins maybe going into merge like he's on the bottom he has that like christian like kind of like nerd conclave brewing in the background but he's also a little bit more of a free agent and maybe not he's really done a great job at diminishing his target level um of those three you know sure let's go devins i think that's spicy okay cool i chose tiffany last week i believe i'm gonna stay with tiffany but siri i she's gonna make a deep run again she how can she not like she is winning everyone over she's just sitting there being siri and everybody's loving it and i've been around siri before and i get it like that's it i don't see how she gets past a fire making i think nobody's taking her to the end so i think people are just feeling safe enough with her and being like we can get rid of her at fire making and then that will be it um so but siri is just like does she have the sereneness to convince someone to take her to the end when they win the final challenge i mean her just making it to merge like once you get through kind of the like what is the deficit of keeping serene for my game and the deficit is very clear if we're going to tribal and it might be me like especially when you get into smaller tribes and it's like oh did someone throw up the lawn dart and land on my head or something like you don't want to be there but when it becomes this like individual game there's really no deficit the only deficit being if you're not working with her you know she does a hell of a job getting people out i'm gonna stay with my winner pick that i picked uh ages ago and i'm gonna say tiff yes she gets absolutely no confessionals that's okay it's fine she talked a little bit she talked a little bit this episode a little bit yes and she did the lasso uh thing which was like you know amazing um i think she's got it like she is in a really good spot no one has targeted her i think they mentioned her once like but it went with the breeze it's gone you know what i mean so she is in a good space right okay uh i'll stick with genevieve who's been my pick for a while she's still i mean we're still in a good space still just building up this genevieve aubrey thing and i maybe it'll come to a head next week maybe sometime soon you gotta figure there's some kind of payoff there um but she's got to win the the genevieve aubrey battle and then maybe there's clear sailing there i'm right i feel like going in next week if they bring up that like oh this has been brewing i i wonder how the people who just have this like experience of the rizzo charlie like butting heads are going to react to going right back to the rizzo charlie battle and then maybe there's a clear sailing there and then maybe there's a clear sailing back into it of this like intense like stabby stab action because that's back to back it's very similar and it's not a fun space to be in a game no all right who does go home next week the last category here the merge the merge is it gonna be multiple people again we're gonna get like uh i'm going to i mean how would that work we've got like we've got six people who have never even been to tribal council yet uh i'd be 17 that are going to emerge i don't know how we're going to be able to do this but i wrote down all the alliances so far so that it could help us a little bit so i have at top at the top sari and ozzy they were like one of the first people to like make a big connection so that ozzy he might be in kind of an alliance with christian now that he showed like one of the first people to like make a big connection more of a connection but we'll see about that sari is also connected to d rizzo uh maybe camilla and uh emily is included in that and then we have another alliance thing with coach joe's definitely connected to coach aubrey is trying to connect with coach and then colby might be connected with coach but we don't really know yet he hasn't 100 said anything then you have aubrey and tiff then you have christian and then maybe emily but then christian's definitely with devins and then you have jonathan who's connected to coach and then you have emily who's definitely who has i don't know who he's with really right now you have chrissy who might be connected with colby but other than that i don't know stephanie is kind of chrissy's with coach a little bit there you go then she's with coach and then stephanie and then genevieve is the one where i don't know where she is exactly but she says that she's kind of connected with everybody as well i think genevieve is doing the like bad version of what coach is doing well which is the like i'm kind of friendly with everyone but because people aren't looking for her for direction she's doing it in the way where she's bottom of that alliance but friendly with everyone while coach is doing it from the top down so that that concerns me a little bit also though with steph something not knowledge is power in this game and she's one of the few who knows about ozzy and she's been in the loop on ozzy she's been on the loop for basic i think she knows risk god as well if i'm not mistaken like people tell her things she's really a nexus of information flowing through her so i don't think she's necessarily aligned but people seem to trust her enough to tell her things yeah i think that coach is going to get his way at the merge i think he's got the most people gravitating towards him that i think he will have a strong input and i think he will be gentle enough about it um i just don't know like so who yeah who is that that he's targeting that's the thing i don't know who he's targeting i don't know i think we just skip this one there's 17 people at the merge and there's a high chance that like more than one person is going home so like how do you just pick one who's on the bottom here at the bottom i i think it's gonna be someone who is too sneaky i think maybe a camilla could go at this at this point what do you think about the long dart hitting deep that could be too she's the last winner in the game and she is pushing i think it's somebody who's kind of pushing and i think it's somebody who i think the honorable integrity group of coach and joe and colby and whoever else melds into that at the merge is gonna get their way for some amount of time because it's just easier to be like yeah we're all straight shooters for a little bit of time yeah um so i like that i think that could definitely be d i'm also thinking a lot too of like she's very used to being in control and in this case she still has that i am in control and kind of that like very large personality but she's one of the few large personalities i feel without agency in this game and it kind of like shows the least difference between her season play versus this season play especially going into the merge where she doesn't really have that barricade of people that a lot of other people have kind of bolstered even like aubrey canal like gotten under coach's arm like i just don't see her outer layers of protection and especially the recent switch of her giving up her core for to go switch and now vote one of them out how does that look from the outside i'm gonna be super chaotic about this because i have no idea about what's gonna happen so i'm either it's either gonna be an episode where nobody's getting eliminated and it's just like them trying to figure out how to merge properly or triple elimination it's gonna be horrible bang bang bang and it's gonna be um aussie okay because of his thing with coach it's gonna be uh genevieve and it's gonna be uh chrissy unfortunately so i think just because chrissy is like just like a little bit less in tight with the alliances but yeah so either no eliminations or crazy elimination right so okay what do you think is going to be then because we know the jury can't be divisible by three that's the one rule of the jury number uh what do you think's the magic number for the season i think it's gonna be big winners at war they did everyone on the jury so i don't think it's gonna be everyone but i think it will be i think it's gonna be 17 or 16 okay there's are big numbers correct yeah i mean it's not gonna be it's i think the jury's gonna start either at the merge at 17 or want to make the merge things gonna happen and it will be 14 there'll be a 14 member jury which is it isn't divisible by three so it could be 14 or a 13 member jury can't be 12 yeah yeah 14 or 13 i almost guarantee it i know nothing about whether or not it is like i have no spoilers on any of that but i do believe it will be a lot of fun and i think it's gonna be a lot large jury because it's a special season. Riley, who do you got? Mo, I feel like you convinced me. I think it's Dee next week. I think that it gives an opportunity for a vote that might be somewhat relatively bloodless for a lot of people. It's like, all right, let's just get out the last winner, which is often, I feel like, how the merge vote plays. Like, people don't want to show all their cards at once. Yeah. And she is not, you know, it's not like she has been back in the shadows, chilling, oh, like, kind of out of sight, out of mind. Like, she's a player, and there will be attention on her. Yeah, I agree. All right, anything else? That's all. That's it. Last round, Robin. Any wild predictions of what is your craziest fantasy for what this, you know, sneak preview of, oh, the game changing, whatever, coming up is? I almost hope it's Mr. Beast, just because we know it's coming in every episode that it doesn't happen. It's, like, going to be a more and more impactful thing. I'm like, just please rip the Band-Aid off already so that we can move on from whatever the Mr. Beast twist is. I am getting, like, there's, like, dread every episode that it doesn't happen, so. Okay, yeah, I have no idea. I mean, literally, they can say that, and it can be absolutely nothing. Like, that's the other thing. Like, it could be nothing at all. And that's my hope, is that it's just Survivor as usual, moving forward. And the way we always have known and loved. And that whatever they thought was the thing was not a thing with the audience. So that's my hope. Before we close down, contractually, I have to say the name Taylor Swift, and I have to say the name Billy Eilish, or William Lash on LinkedIn, as we have assumed is the actual creator of the Billy Eilish Idol. William Lash, middle name. And the guy is. William Eilish. William Eilish. William Eilish. Good names. So, and that's it. We, again, last week with Mike White, our scheduling did not work out for Exit Press. We were scheduled to do it. I was traveling that day. They didn't allow us to shift the timing. And so we missed out. A lot of people were saying it was either because he was angry or bitter or something. He had a small window. We could not make that window work. We will be back tomorrow with double Exit Press, I believe. So that's it. Mo, thank you so much for your time and energy and all of your insight. It was super fun. Best of luck out there in Thailand. Thank you. Ashley and Riley, thank you as well for being here and for making this one of the greatest survivor commentary podcasts in existence. Good job. One of the greatest. The greatest. You're not on Mount Rushmore. You're the goat. Remember, you need to embrace your inner Ritz God here. You have to. That's right. I guess I should. I'm just getting more humble with age. So it's hard for me to proclaim myself the goat. If someone else says it, it's fine. So Mo, you fed right into it. Until tomorrow. See ya. 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