Recapping ‘Survivor 50’ Episode 4! | The Pod Has Spoken

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some family stuff came up with them and they were unable to make it should i say who the guest was or should we save her for another time let's save her let's save her for another time yeah we'll see if she will come on later it took some convincing she's been pretty quiet in the scene for a long time uh and also before we get started uh unrelated to the guests we're going to have condolences to the cold pepper family their son rex passed away and uh uh yeah very heartbreaking and yeah i can't imagine so that's it our hearts are going to them and uh wishing them well and sending them love let's get into it um vatu we're back in the dark everyone's creepy zombie face uh and stephanie left out of the vote i didn't i don't think i fully realized how this boat like materialized last week and how who was in and who was out and all of those things so stephanie was the only one left out and everyone comes up and is like i'm sorry riley is there a world where you feel good about that you come back and everybody gangs up on you and well you gotta kind of play the game right like you have to do the like no it's all good good move you know thanks for keeping me uh we can like keep working together because right now you're you're stuck with uh these people especially because you just had a tribe swap you know you know that there's not another one coming up tomorrow there's not gonna be like a merge coming up tomorrow but it's all like a little bit of uh you know as they would say in like wrestling like kayfabe right like they all know like they know it's fake you know it's fake they know that you know like yeah it's all kind of whatever ashley why is aussie so hell-bent on keeping mike white um i mean yeah for sure he wants to be on the cameo he probably wants to like rise out of the water somewhere with like a fishing spear and like some sort of like dramatic thing but i don't know i think it's kind of sweet i it's like it reminds me of like christian and like devins how they're just excited to work together so but this is like one-sided because i'm not sure if mike white was that excited to work with aussie as aussie was so but i still think it's kind of cute yeah feels like aussie has some weird thing where if he can get rid of angelina he thinks uh uh mike white is just coming to him and he will be his his guy which i do i don't know if in this instant i agree with aussie's rationale but i do believe that in survivor sometimes you do chop someone hoping that that person that's still left behind comes back to you and is then yours uh perfect that that makes sense but why mike white i don't think we see anything with aussie and mike white to give us that that is happening um do you think mike white would have been upset though like i feel like he says that angelina is his friend like this is a friend outside of survivor yes so it feels like if aussie's like i'm gonna cut angelina and then be his best friend do you think mike white would be like i do not want to talk to aussie he hurt he messed with my best friend well aussie we see in the episode does tell mike that that's what he wants to get rid of angelina and mike does outwardly agree to do it that's fair yeah so i do think that it's pro if if angelina would have gone home if that would have been the ultimate plan i think mike white would have been okay enough because aussie did tell him what the idea was uh but i think yeah it's always tricky it's like no matter what you do i'm watching this episode i'm just thinking of all the times i played it's just like every time i watch an episode i just have like players remorse and regret and filled with agony over moves i made that i shouldn't have or things i should have done that i didn't and i was just like every single thing you do in this game gives license to kill to everyone else in this game like even aussie taking out angelina if that's what would have happened would have given mike white enough of a reason to get rid of aussie and then also it'd be okay so aussie's sitting on the jury and mike's like well you did angelina so then i just did you like that's how and that's where if you can justify taking out someone to them that's the whole jury game of of it is being like well i this is why and every little thing can give some can be a reason enough for someone to justify getting rid of you this is where it's like if aussie were like a much more adept strategist it's like getting rid of angelina to get mike over to you is like not a terrible idea but you have to do it in a way where the blood's not totally on your hands and going to mike and like announcing oh yeah no hey my plan is to vote angelina well that's like you know you're like holding the knife at that point yeah it's like i don't know if that's really going to bring him that much closer to you aussie could have tried to man we this would have been great to see him try to do this like engineer like a 3-2-1 vote where he's like intentionally the one so it's like he doesn't vote for angelina and then he can be like i was like left out of it or whatever but actually he was like in it you know in some way and like try to figure that out with like emily and christian and be like this is how we'll like bring mike white in after we get angelina out because like i will be the one that's going to be the one that's going to be the one that's going to be like i will be the one that can be like can play dumb and be like ah they left me out of it too or whatever um but that's like too many steps i think so tricky for most players yeah for like almost anything that is such a delicate plan because you have to trust everybody fully because one person out is not then it doesn't work totally so yeah that's very very tricky um is this where did did mike also make a strategic error because like we get christian saying oh you know i'm not going to get a second white lotus cameo and i want to keep mike because i still haven't had my white lotus cameo and i want to have one uh and but because he's already gotten he's already had his little snippet on the show it's like well you know i'm not going to get a second white lotus cameo yeah i think going on the white lotus is fine i think it's not going to be the second white lotus cameo i think it's going to be the second white lotus cameo i think it's going to be the second white lotus cameo i think it's going to be the second white lotus cameo i think it's going to be going on the white lotus is fine having a cameo is fine i don't think it's life-changing in any capacity or anything like that so i don't really no you don't think it changed anything for christian i don't think it changed people it's for some i think for some it does for some it doesn't like especially if you want to pursue like acting or showbiz or you feel like that's a route for you then maybe there's something but uh for somebody who already knows what they're doing or knows that acting is not what they want to do or what they're going to do then i don't think i with mike white on the beach would not be playing for a mike white uh for a white lotus cameo yeah uh it's cool enough but i've been on tv already uh and you're currently on tv yeah every survivor as the star so so i don't know what i don't know what the difference is a luxury hotel stay uh is cool yeah um i do at the end of this little uh night montage like the little break of the fourth wall with ozzy smiling at the camera like his plan is coming together he's just kind of like look at how good i am just not an episode or two after claiming how bad he was socially after watching cerise yep yep he's back on his high horse yeah he's got cerise no longer on the same beach as him and so he's like i'm back on top i'm back on top baby social king over here our social king ozzy uh talent show time did we need this oh boy oh riley's this is the type of stuff that would like if i were on the beach i'd be i'm like i don't know yeah i'm trying to rack my brain like what would i even do that doesn't look stupid to the audience i can't even think of something that would be pleasing enough to the people watch to the girls watching because they were the judges and not so embarrassing uh for uh everyone to watch on survivor and i could not i could not come up with something that i would be proud to exhibit as a talent for myself um and i guess what we got from this was that charlie still has it out for rizzo and rizzo is in his words his mortal enemy yep yeah i think that's the first time anyone's ever said that about rizzo like i in their lives is labeled as a mortal enemy yeah yeah it's yeah you should pick like better enemies ones that make you look a little more you know the mickey mouse voice is my mortal enemy that's who he's picking a fight with which is hilarious that he's still like so bent on he can't stop thinking about it yeah do you think they just kept asking him about it or do you think he really could not stop thinking about it i think he can't stop thinking about it honestly like i think rizzo talked about it like three times in the beginning and then now charlie is just like it's just reeling in his brain yeah well that that i i have a question that brings up a question for me which is like do they ask you like the same things over and over again you know every time there's like a new cycle it's like i'm wondering if they ask people to tell like their personal story over and over again in confessionals or like why you're targeting this person why are you targeting that person because they're i think they need all the footage right to be like maybe it'll fit better in this episode or that episode or whatever so you have to like constantly repeat yourself in these confessionals yeah you do sometimes and all the time you have to like constantly repeat yourself in these confessionals yeah you do sometimes also if you purposely want a storyline of yourself then saying it more is a better chance that it's actually going to get out there so if he like wants this rizzo thing to be a real thing then he needs to personally say it a bunch and if they want it to be a thing because it's hilarious then they would also ask about it a bunch too so they'd probably just be like how does it feel to lose to rizzo in the in the talent show my mortal enemy he did a mickey mouse voice um i thought charlie was gonna get a medivac a second there when uh did jonathan did the like spine crusher on him and just accidentally kills charlie in a fake fight it was close it was touch and go there for a second um oh my god but yeah uh we got that so uh i don't know what else we got from that just i think more of the charlie versus rizzo build up so hopefully that becomes something i'm excited to hear from charlie after this season too when he once he's able to watch back 49 and see like you know it just feels like this is like a huge misunderstanding about the dynamics of 49 and it's really not a charlie maria situation at all uh and he's just taking it totally the wrong way and it's kind of it's one of the reasons why i some interesting dynamics where it's like oh there's some information that's unknown instead of everybody knowing everything about everybody you now have this tension between charlie and rizzo that i think if charlie had seen 49 just wouldn't exist at all yeah right um let's go to callow where genevieve's braiding coach's hair lucky her tyson you had your hair braided you got girls you must have right i have had my hair braided i had my hair braided on survivor oh yeah and i had it braided on the challenge too i think french braid yeah i had a french braid yeah two french braids i don't know i had my hair in a braid it's not long enough you need longer hair yeah grow it out grow it out i haven't had long hair since like middle school so now is the time for a change yeah now is the time riley um aubrey looking for idol she realizes she's on the bottom she already has an idol but she wants another one so she is searching is it wise of genevieve to go out there and just like call her name like she's calling for for supper like dinging the bell like aubrey aubrey everyone's looking for you that's i thought i thought the like oh mama i was really afraid you weren't feeling well was like pretty you know like yeah sure you were yeah yeah it was i think genevieve's gonna get caught out here i think she's doing too much now to keep aubrey on the outs to she's trying so hard to get aubrey it's not gonna work um i just think it's just like it's aubrey's not out for genevieve that we're seeing but genevieve she doesn't feel good about her but genevieve is definitely needs aubrey out immediately and so i think like that's fine but it's so obvious it's it has to be so obvious to aubrey like aubrey where are you oh there you are everyone was looking for you everyone was everyone's wondering where you went like i just wanted some time alone and then genevieve ends up finding the boomerang idol which she gives to rizzo do you like this play giving it to rizzo now this is her second one she found she finds it immediately it seems like she was standing there thinking about finding an idol and then found an idol she's the new idol hunter i think we should officially uh give her that crown for the season she's the boomerang the boomerang finder she's gonna get matching tattoos with billy eilish yeah they're best friends yeah and we had actually a listener send us a bill eilish we found a bill eilish we found a bill eilish and if the middle name is either it starts with an e that could be a bill e eilish or you could just go by billy eilish uh yeah so wow we got that sent to us so we are uncertain if it is actually the pop star billy eilish or bill eilish from linkedin they got it like this is becoming an odd a really weird situation right because there was uh there was something um man let me pull it up uh that came out this week and it was a really weird situation because there was a lot of people that were talking about how they came up with the idea for this idol and everything and it was like they just sent billy eilish's team here we go i've got it he said we sent her a couple of ideas and she decided which one she liked she said i like the boomerang then we kind of wrote out the clue and she approved that as well that's it that's the billy eilish involvement in the season it becomes the billy eilish idol she hasn't she hasn't instagrammed about it like no social posts we haven't obviously we haven't posted anything about it we haven't posted anything about it we haven't obviously gotten a clip of her on the show uh it's like what at what point is are we going to get something to make this the actual billy eilish idol as opposed to just having her name kind of stamped on it like it it really it becomes almost like weirdly embarrassing for survivor if they just get nothing from billy eilish other than like we get to say this was the billy eilish boomerang idol like maybe she'll show up on the island maybe she'll be at the finale who knows but or maybe it's bill eilish i want bill eilish actually i want bill eilish from linkedin to roll in and be like what's up gang it's bill yeah i used to go by yeah it's william eilish i used to go by billy when i was younger it's taking him so long to get there because he has to take off a few days for work you know yes bill's a busy guy he is yeah yeah he's gonna get the right window yeah uh jenny i need something though it's like we need we we got the like zach brown gets like half of an episode here well i know we'll talk about him yeah i mean billy i didn't want to talk about it yet because the entire rest of our podcast will be dedicated to zach brown yeah as soon as we shift gears yeah let's hold off on zach because we're gonna do a full 45 minutes on just zach brown yes uh great genevieve giving the idol to rizzo wise not wise i don't like it because rizzo's gonna be so annoying with it like he was last time and he said he was he's gonna make so much noise at tribal i got an idol i got a night i i can't stand it I know everyone's going to be a lot different this time because these are like players who've played before, but oh my God, Rizzo. No, please put it away. Yeah. Riley? I actually kind of like it because I feel like he has been on the bottom of kind of every tribe he's been on. He's an obvious boot because he's an unknown. So I think there's a high degree of likelihood that it bounces back to Genevieve. And she also, she knows him a bit too, right? She doesn't have a ton of options as far as former Vatus that are on the other tribes. It's Rizzo or it's Angelina or it's Stephanie. And I don't think that she was going to send it to somebody that she hadn't been on a tribe with yet. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what her relationships are like outside the game. It feels like Genevieve wasn't a massive pre-gamer, isn't like super, super embedded and like that. It's a broader survivor community where you see all these people going to events and stuff. I don't think she's like as active in all of that. So I think it's somewhat limited to former Vatus. And it was like, those are the three options. And so Rizzo is a good combination, I think, of like maybe she knows him and can work with him a little bit. And also he's likely to go home anyway. So she might get that idol coming back. Yeah. And that's what she said. She's thinking he's going to get voted out or she'll target him because he trusts her. So she's like, I'll just blindside him and get my idol back. Man. Yeah, sets her up well if they were to both make the merge or another tribe swap or something where she's like, oh, I can give up this former Vatu, you know, as a sign of trust to whoever else that she's playing with, right? Like, let's go after Rizzo, you know, to show you I'm with you. And then it's like, she has this massive benefit coming if that happens. Right. I would have loved for, I mean, I don't know. But she gave the last one to who has the, who has her first one? Ozzy. Ozzy has her first one. And she shared that information. This time she tells no one, which I do like. I do like not telling anyone. I'm just thinking, could she have just sent the another one to Ozzy? Is that a play? Like, what is, how does she get both? Because then only one person has to get voted out and she has two idols. True. Oh. True. That'd be wild. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if there's like a rule against it, sending it to like the same person over and over again. I mean, it's not, Billy didn't say. Bill Eilish called from. We gotta call Bill. Yeah. Gotta call Bill and see what the rules are. What do you think? Could she send them both to Ozzy or no? Yeah. I think send it to the same person. And then you target one person, get two idols. Hmm. Yeah. I do. I do like that idea as well. Yeah. That's, that's where we should go with this. And it would be hilarious. Cause then Genevieve would be so hell bent on getting rid of Ozzy. Not that it has to be Ozzy. Like maybe she should have given both of them to somebody else, but whoever it is, it's just like now you're really fighting. If I knew someone had two idols that would go to me, if I could get that, if I could get that person out, I would stop at nothing to get that person out. And you're the last person I would imagine that they would suspect. It's like a lot of people know about Ozzy's idol that bounces back to Genevieve. But even if Ozzy tells people, Oh, I got a second idol. He doesn't know who it came from. You're not telling anybody that it was you. You know, people be like, where did that, where'd Ozzy's other idol go? They're never going to think it's you. So once you play the one, you know, they're like, okay, there was the one boomerang idol. Well, where'd that other boomerang go? That's not bad. I don't know. Writing a better episode. No, I mean, these guys are all on the fly and they have to make quick decisions. And I, if I were given hours to make decisions every time on Survivor, it would be much different, but you're not. And so. I wonder how quickly they have to make that decision. I guess we haven't spoken to anybody who. I think you have. I think you probably have till the end of the day or something like that. Probably tell somebody goes to tribal count something. You have something probably an amount of window. I know when I got the peanut butter and I had to make a decision on what I was going to do with my fire token. I had like a certain amount of time to make a decision. Um, so they probably do give a decision. Also, uh, we do have a camera operator from a survivor that chimed in on social media as we were joking about. The parameters of the island being so small and someone was getting a little defensive about actually a being bigger than our exaggerated smallness. And so I wanted to come on here and set the record straight. We said four. How many is it? It's big. It's way bigger than that. It's it's the size of a football field. Uh, you know, it's, it's, it's maybe bigger. Like I, it's, but it's, but like you go and it's hard to measure distance and time. And everything in the jungle on survivors. So who knows? It also depends on what beach you're on. Some beaches are tighter than others just based off of the landmarks and and when they bump into something that may be, you know, off limits, whether it's manmade or something like that. So it's, it's always different. Um, the biggest beach on in Fiji, which is probably where they'll merge or they historically have merged is is pretty big. It's, I don't even know, like you can see the signs, like you can walk the perimeter and see the signs they're posted that say, don't go past them, but it's big. It's, it's much bigger than we joked about. Uh, and uh, we'll just set the record straight for people here. It's, it's big enough to explore. It's big enough to be by yourself a little bit, but it's not big enough that if people want to find where you are, they, they'll be able to still find you. Compared to the edge of extinction island, how big is it? Cause you guys could do that entire island. Yeah, because the entire island is pretty small. It's small. So is it, so the beach is like, would you say bigger or smaller than that or roughly the same size? Smaller than the edge of extinction island is the surface you're working within. Uh, probably a lot smaller. Okay. Um, and it just depends of season to season. It's always different. Samoa was pretty tight, uh, area, uh, blood versus water was not so much because you had like a more, it was like in a bigger area that you survivor had access to. So it all depends. But, um, yeah, uh, that just popped into my brain. I saw there was a back and forth going on one of our social media posts, so I thought I would, uh, set it straight here a little bit. Uh, let's go to the immunity challenge and I was thinking this is early for an immunity challenge. I was like, okay, yeah, I watch like, okay, the episode reward challenge, but then the statues come with them. So I'm like, oh, it's immunity. I was like, is there going to be a mo I was like, okay, there's three tribes. Is this a triple, a triple knockout right here? What are we getting? Uh, cause I was like a triple knockout would make sense or a double knockout or something because then you have to go to both tribes and you get to hear and see their strategy play and work out and stuff. So I was like, okay, this is something crazy. And, uh, we get the reward announcement and it is Zach Brown. Zach Brown comes out. I guess he's buddies with probes. Loves the show. Uh, Ashley, do you know Zach Brown? I've heard of Mr. Zach Brown, but I, I didn't know what he looked like. So this was my first time seeing his face. Uh, I know one song called beer on a Friday night. That's the song that's the only song I know and that's the song that I lie would have been like, I don't know who Zach Brown is and they'd be like cold beer on a Friday night. It was like, I know that song. So that's cool. Yeah. I saw it rightly that I learned that song from Glee. So I, I'm, I just am not a true Zach Brown fan, but maybe today. Yeah. D is. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Huge. How many people, how many people knew who Zach Brown is? I don't even know who Zach Brown was when he was on the beach. Like the, like the contestants, the contestants. Well, I'll tell you if you, there was one player who caught my eye, uh, doing the just tiniest little golf clap and like looking around and it was Camilla. If you, if you watch her when they, when they announce him or bring him out, she also didn't have a confession about how cool he is. Yeah. She did not. Right. No. Uh, Camilla had no clue. Yeah. I would have had the same reaction. I are there people you would wig out about like if somebody rolled in and was like, Holy cow. Oh my gosh. I just think I'm too old for that. I, I don't know that I ever celebrated people in that way where I would get like starstruck in any capacity. I just like people are people. Um, yeah. I, I lived in LA for four or five years and so occasionally like common LA thing you, you event, you will eventually see some celebrities. you know, at like a lunch spot or wherever at like, you know, Um, you had to go to like the right, really like organic ritzy grocery stores in the right neighborhood. And you'll occasionally see not like an A-lister, but you'll see a celebrity here or there. And I never really got that starstruck. I was just like, oh, cool. Okay. Definitely going to leave them alone. You know, let them go about their business. So I don't know. I don't think I would ever react like Dee did. There are some artists that I'd be like, whoa, this is like pretty cool. But who, um, who would be the coolest if you were like put in a room with somebody where you would be, have a hard time having a conversation with them? Anybody like that? Who would you be the most starstruck over? For, for musical artists? No, for anybody, any celebrity. Cause I think this is, I think this is tricky because you come in, you want Zach to feel celebrated by the contestants. So you probably have a little, like, we're doing something special. Be excited. We would get that. We would get that coach up on Survivor once in a while for rewards and stuff like that. Like be excited. This is a cool thing. Get hyped for it. And show your hypeness. Uh, and so I'm sure that they got this to a certain degree, maybe not, but I would assume they did. Yeah. And so they were already on the edge of their like, oh, something big is happening. And then Jeff built it up even bigger. And then this guy comes out, uh, which I just think is so, if everyone's playing along, it's not as tricky. I feel like coach, coach is into music. So maybe he knows who Zach Brown is, but I feel like he played it up the most. He was like, oh my gosh. I can't believe this. Um, well you can, I mean, coach is a history of this. We can go back to like Jack and Jill, you know, that's screaming. No, that wasn't coach. Was that coach? Coach loved it. Coach loved Jack and Jill. Yeah. Okay. Yes. And then you had Sophie who had like, had the thousand yard stare. Like she was coming back from war, unable to play it up. Uh, iconic moment that we'll have to like go back and revisit. But, um. Um, no, who, who would, uh, have me, I don't know, maybe, uh, I'm a big Carly Rae Jepsen fan. So if she came out there, I'd be pretty excited. You'd recognize her face. You'd know everything. Oh, instantly. You'd be like, oh my gosh. Yeah. Instantly. And she's a singer. Maybe not, maybe not everything, but. She's a singer, right? What's her most, what's her most, what's her most popular? Call me maybe. Yeah. Call me maybe. Okay. You have girls. Do not tell me you don't know who Carly Rae Jepsen is. Come on. Really? Dang. No, we don't listen to that. We, we do listen to Billie Eilish. Okay. Ah, cool girls. Yeah. We listen to Billie Eilish. Uh, but then we listened to a lot of weird stuff. That's like, cause. What do you listen to? Well, Bergen does synchronized swimming. So she just listens to whatever their choreography, uh, stuff is and explores music that way. So like we're big Shakira fans because she did a routine to a Shakira song. So, uh, which isn't totally weird. It's just like, that's. Kind of not this generation now. Uh, and although she does do Zootopia and stuff like that, I guess, so she's still there. Um, and then there's like some weird, like eighties and nineties stuff that they've done routines to that they've explored, uh, for that. So, okay. So Carly Rae Jepsen for Riley, Ashley, you get one celebrity on the island out there that you are going to wig out once in a lifetime experience. Um, okay. Hmm. So I was going to make a joke at first. Cause I was like weird Al Yankovic or something. I, you know, who really excites me. Wait a second. That's not a joke. I get excited by like our local celebrities here in Denver, like the American furniture warehouse guy, uh, Kyle from nine news is pretty cool. Like, okay. That's what you would like. I want to see Kyle. And he'll come in and I'll be like, yo, that's Kyle, you know? All right, fine. Here's an Arizona reference. Let's get Rafi Rafi from the billboards, uh, in all of Phoenix Valley. He is an attorney and an injury attorney that is just like plastered on every bus, every billboard, every TV commercial kids know every, my kids are always like, who is Rafi? So in California, that's Ann Fong, something wrong called Ann Fong, which is all up and down the stage. She has a legal empire. It's insane. We have a, the strong arm, Frank Azar, the strong arm. And then he like hammers like steel because he's super strong. We should have all of these attorneys as contestants on Survivor and after watching the Zach Brown. They got to be the billboard attorneys. Like, it's like the better call Saul season of Survivor. Yeah. After watching the Zach Brown celebratory, uh, uh, episode, it's time for celebrity Survivor. Like, I believe that since we got this from Zach Brown, where like half the episode was literally him pontificating about spear phishing, it's like, let's just do celebrity Survivor and get this out of our faces. Like we can just do like the full celebrity thing and let's watch Zach suffer. Yeah. I don't need him to tell me why he likes spear phishing. Let's watch him suffer. If you want Zach Brown, your buddy on the show, then make him suffer. Yes. Ashley, uh, who? Who for real would you have as your celebrity? Like gives you the shakes. Would you be choked up hard, hard to talk and see? Probably Beyonce. Like she's really gosh darn amazing. And I'd be like, Oh my God, it's Beyonce. And now I got to think of how to say hi without like, you know, so that would get tricky to around some people. Yeah, I could see that. I don't know who mine would be. Uh, maybe John Mulaney. Oh, that's a good choice. John Mulaney. He'd be fun. I like him. Yeah. Maybe somebody like that. That is just like, I think is so funny that I like have said, yeah, like that's, I guess some, for me, somebody like that would be who I would really be like a little nervous. Cause I'd be like, I want to be cool and funny, but not like trying too hard to be cool and funny because they'll pick up on it. And then like, if I try to be funny and they don't think I'm funny, then also. Oh. Now, like, what is that for me? So it's just like the stakes are high. Uh, so this challenge, uh, before we get started, I mean, Zac Brown comes out, everybody is, some people are excited. Everybody acts excited for the most part. And Jeff says, uh, one of you will ultimately lose. Uh, which I think is hilarious. Cause Mike is like, why are you looking at us? And Jeff and Mike do have this interaction where Jeff's like, I didn't, wasn't maybe some unconsciously, but I'm just looking around and, uh, it was just kind of a fun, I like that moment. I think that that's a real moment with Jeff, honestly, like we don't always, we don't get a lot of real moments with Jeff where it's like real, real and not just like a little bit of a show for the camera. So to get Jeff, like laughing about Mike, calling him out for looking at them while he says a tribe is going to lose. And then Jeff kind of like, I don't know. I wasn't, I'm looking around. Um, I liked it. I thought let's have more of that. Jeff, that's, uh, the fun, uh, off the cuff, Jeff, that, uh, is kind of who we fell in love with 25 years ago. I agree. Um, Vatu is just miserable. They can't move the boat. Uh, well before that, what's up with, so Ozzy does the little, like, good luck everybody before the challenge. And it's all, it's like, does that, is that a normal thing before challenges? And like, how do you feel if, uh, is that a normal thing? Somebody who's like, good luck. You're just like, whatever. To the other tribes. Yeah. Um, if you are on that tribe and you feel like it's like a cross tribe alliance build or something, you're annoyed. You're like, no, we are out for blood. Stop wishing luck to the enemies. Uh, but sometimes it's like, whatever, like impact. Part of it is the delivery. Like if you're like, Hey, good luck, good luck, good luck. That's like too much. You're like, get rid of them. But if you're like, yeah, good luck guys. That's like, whatever that's in passing. That's not a real good luck. Uh, and there is a balance. There's really a balance between, uh, with communicating with the other tribes. Like you're ultimately, if you make it far in the game, I'm going to have to see these people and work with these people and have some of these people as your allies. So you have to do some type of communication across the lines if you can, but if you do something too obvious. Yeah, then your tribe's going to see it and be annoyed and now you're a target. So it's like, what is the balance? That's also like, again, varies from person to person. Some people take offense to it. Some people don't care at all. Some people read into it. Some people don't like, you don't know. So like where the balance is always different. I think a, a little bit of sportsmanship and humility and winning, uh, is for me, the balance that I try to strike in those moments is like, yeah, you can be like, yeah, good luck. Like, that's fine. If somebody says good luck to me, you can say you too, whatever. That doesn't matter. But at the end, don't celebrate the win so hard. That I think is the most, that's the most annoying to people. Uh, I like being on a tribe that celebrates super hard. I personally will usually not celebrate hard with them or try not to, but I like to see it because it's funny because everybody, the other tribe's devastated. Somebody's going home and somebody's like, oh, I can't believe we won. and it's that's not the right balance um so Vatu is just absolutely horrendous they don't have the muscle they voted out some muscle last week in Q and yeah do you think they have a chance if they have Q instead of Angelina yeah I think so maybe maybe that boat still was so heavy puzzle I think they at least get there yeah they could I mean they weren't budging that but I've been and sometimes like there's could be a hang up like maybe there was something in the sand maybe there was something like like stick in the boat and you can't see it and it's just like that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes on Survivor we pulled these crates uh with rope that had weight in them and ours got hung up on a stump of old grass and we were like hey ours is hung up on a stump of old grass and the production team was like yeah and you're like well we can't move it any further and they're like that's it you're like oh okay so I guess we just lost because the stump of grass is in the way and they're like I guess so dang well I guess nature prevailed that time nature wins nature wins so sometimes nature wins and there's nothing like Survivor doesn't step in if nature is uh interfering it's like it's like golf right a bird grabs your ball you should train in golf a bird to just pick up your golf ball and drop it in the hole every time do birds usually mess with people's balls in golf does that happen but I think there I think there is a ruling where if like uh you have to play through anything and like nature can like I don't fully know the rule there's got to be a rule against this hold on okay because I'm like what there's there's got to be a rule against training and golf and I don't know the rule there's got to be a rule against this hold on training a bird to take your golf ball but what if like a squirrel knocks your ball there's I think there is I think I don't know I just watch Billy Madison or whatever okay according to Google AI so take this with a big pinch of salt it said yes a bird can physically pick up a golf ball and drop it in the hole however under the rules of golf this is treated as a ball moved by an outside influence you must estimate the spot where the ball originally came to rest and replace it there is no penalty and no hole-in-one so it's exactly the opposite of what I thought oh man and then they've got a video of it they pulled up a video uh of a seagull picking up a golf ball on the 17th green at the players championship illustrating how such situations are handled in professional golf I don't we can't watch this now but uh I know what I'm watching after this podcast yeah bookmark that so okay I was wrong maybe we'll put the link in the in the like YouTube description Riley caught me I was wrong this episode is brought to you by the Home Depot Black Friday is happening now at the Home Depot and they've got just a tree for your style space and budget make the 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once in a lifetime experience on her her second uh once in a lifetime experience experience yes yes so I felt like this was something of like D D being a winner and having never been voted out where it was like for hers the Zac Brown was bigger than the immunity but I think for people who have held that sting of getting their torch snuffed they were like hey we got the real prize is we don't go to tribal council tonight yes I agree also if you go to the sanctuary and watch people's faces while he's playing guitar you don't have to be on TV wondering what face you should make while Zac Brown plays guitar which I also would be on you gotta hold that smile like the whole time or whatever yeah just like the wonderment of music yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah some people teared up okay that's feels natural uh Joe looked like he teared up coach was tearing up a little bit I feel like Colby got stuck right there at the front right behind the guitar just happened to like make like a half smile the whole time and I was like oh man I would I think I'd close my eyes and pretend like I was just like ingesting it uh through now like you're just like yeah feeling it yes no I wouldn't I wouldn't Bob my head I just lay back like kind of on the ground yeah like I was almost asleep enjoying the tunes I hate the idea like even if it was Beyonce I hate the idea of making her sing to me uh in like an intimate setting it just feels really awkward like I didn't like that I don't like it just talk to me tell me what's your favorite color what's Zac Brown's favorite color I'd rather know that than sit there and listen to him sing a new song that I don't know and make me sing along with him while he's playing the guitar it's just weird just awkward the hard launch for his new song like yes did he announce it after this so he waited like a year after this because this filmed a year ago okay I guess I don't know I thought it was based on because he says the new song I would assume I would assume it was new then is it did he hold it did he keep it in the can until now that's what I don't know wow I would have assumed so I don't I but we need a Zac Brown expert to come on and tell us man because I have no clue yep well let's let's go back because we get about 15 minutes of Zac Brown spear fishing and everybody's so impressed with how big of the fish he got but they also didn't see a setup which was a gigantic fishing boat a giant spear gun a wetsuit yeah gigantic deep sea fins mm-hmm yeah it's it was and then we just get him talking about the wonderment of the ocean for a long time a little bit of a Zac Brown Ocean documentary uh although we didn't learn he got more he got more confessionals here than Tiffany has had all season yeah it's crazy they kept sitting him down in the position and doing confessionals with him back and forth yeah you got so much yeah yeah which is very cool for him if this is one of his favorite shows that he's watched with his family for years and years and years I'm sure he's very excited about that and that's exciting for him and I just like if you're going to do this, do Celebrity Survivor. I know Jeff has said he's not going to do Celebrity Survivor, which is one of the surest ways to know that they will do Celebrity Survivor. But it's coming around more as we see celebrities say they watch Survivor and Jeff immediately jumps on Instagram to tell them that they can come on Survivor. Yeah. I'm okay with Celebrity Survivor as long as they do not change the game to make it like easier for them. It can't be like, oh, well, we're just doing like the 12 day version. Like it's got to be, you know, at least what's now, you know, our standard 26 days, no rice, like, you know, you're sleeping in the sand, whatever. Like we're not making it comfortable just because these people are famous. You're not getting what you want, Riley. I can already tell you. I know. It will be shorter. They will probably be staying in a hotel. They will just go out on the island to play the game. Yeah. And do the tribal council and all that stuff. I heard a rumor about Turkey's Survivor because I feel like for Turkey Survivor, that's what they would do for Celebrity Survivor here. I heard a rumor that they have all the contestants stay in hotels overnight. And if you look at like behind the scenes photos for their tribal, it's in a warehouse and not much outside. So it's, yeah, Turkey's Survivor has got like a really bad rep. And I feel like we would adopt that for our Celebrity Survivor, be at like. Like a Hilton and, you know, just like a little nicer. And everybody would get coconut shavings on top of their cakes as they eat dinner every night. So I feel like it'd be really bad TV. Yeah, no good. No good. Traitors doesn't sleep in the castle. They go to. Yeah. And I was really bummed to learn that out too. They go stay in like a Marriott. But did it change your viewing experience? Yes. Did it change your viewing experience? Yes. I thought they locked the door. Knowing it, it does. I regret knowing it. Knowing it, it does. But having not knowing it, it wouldn't have viewed the show looks the same. I guess so. Now I'm mad. Yeah. And. But that's different because, okay, like staying in the castle in like a bed versus staying in a hotel in a bed, it's not that different. But like sleeping in the sand with like spiders crawling you and stuff versus sleeping in like a hotel, that will actually change, you know, people's mental exhaustion and whatnot. And therefore the strategy and the. And the gameplay and everything like that is part of Survivor is Tyson, obviously, I don't need to explain this to you, but like the exhaustion and the fatigue and the hunger and whatever. No, I don't disagree. But I think that we're not getting that with celebrities. Maybe we will. Maybe they'll sleep, but it won't be 26 days. It'll be shorter. But so it will change the viewing experience. This is where I'm like, I need to see them going through it, you know? Yeah. But they can go through it for a week and just like make it, I don't know. 26 days at least. I mean, you have. Yeah. Yeah. Celebrity Big Brother is shorter. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be like super short season. Like, you know, like when they do like Celebrity British Bake Off or something where they have like an episode or two, that's just with the people, it'll probably be something like that. Yeah. I think it's imminent. But I think it's going to be a modified version of what it is now for the celebrities, because a lot of them have to be connected to whatever stuff too. So it's like they can't be gone for that long. They might even need to get online. They can't be online a little bit or talk with their team from time to time, maybe have some phone calls. So there's a lot to it. So Dee and Jonathan really, really sad about the Zac Brown thing. Really, I just wanted to point that out one more time before we go to Vaatu, the losing tribe. So sad. We have. This buildup with Emily is just so crazy to me that she just keeps talking. Yeah. And nobody is like, can we just get rid of her? She is just blowing everything up. Christian doing the like zip lips thing behind Ozzy. Behind Ozzy. Yeah. Oh my goodness, dude. How can you? I'm shocked. Same as you. It's like at some point, aren't you like, I just can't work with this person. They spill everything. Yeah. They spill everything to everyone. Yeah. Yes. She can't help herself. Yeah. Yeah. She's like giddy to do it too. She's like giggling to herself. She's like, I've got a secret care. And it's like, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like, you know, sorry, Emily, but like you can't tell a toddler anything because they'll just go tell every everyone. Yeah. That's what it's like. It's like, she's just like so happy to spill the beans. Yes. Yeah. So we have, we just have, we have a little bit of a circle going and Angelina, Angelina is the initial target. And where did this all go wrong for Mike? Did it go wrong for Mike last week when he told Stephanie he was going to write her name down? Did it go wrong for him when he tried to protect Angelina? Did it go wrong for him? When he kind of tried to strong arm Christian a little bit too much? Like what was, what was the tipping point for Mike here? Because he initially seemed like he was going to be fine. He was going to be in a pretty good position. And then he wasn't. It definitely has to be the Christian thing. I feel like everything was going according to plan until Christian, Christian, until he started crying about what happened. And I feel like that kind of like gave him a reason to look at Mike White differently and to be like, what are, what's going on here? Are you being, are you manipulating me? Like what's happening? So I just think he, he just went a little too far, uh, there with like, it's less of a survivor strong arm and almost like a Hollywood strong arm, which is a little different, a little more manipulative and a little more mean. So I think that's what did it. Yeah. I think Mike didn't have the right temperature on Christian's emotions, uh, and pushed too hard there. I do, I do believe that that is when Christian woke up and said, it's gotta be Mike. Was it the right move? Was it the right move to take out Mike here for Christian versus Emily, who cannot keep her mouth shut? Yeah. I kind of, I, I don't, I don't know that it is the right move because I feel like he could have been like Christian does this thing where he is saying, oh, I've been working with Emily since the very beginning of this game, you know, all nine days of it. And that matters to him, but it's like, has that been working well? Like, is this somebody you want to work with for the next, how many days? they have left uh i can't do math 17 days um yeah they don't have 17 days left they're on day like 10 they have like 16 days oh maybe they're on day nine maybe you're right i don't know i seem shorter than 17 or 16 days depending on how you count them that sounded way too long to me when you said 17 i was like the game's only 26 days we're already half the season in oh no never mind what okay okay sorry I got that wrong it might actually be 16 only but I could also be wrong now I thought it was way more than I thought it was way less than that okay so yeah you have more than two weeks you know it's like I don't know like working with Emily hasn't been working that well I think that you're right that Mike touching that emotional nerve just kind of like did something with Christian where he just did not like that anymore it was like Mike had the right like idea of like bringing it to Gabby or whatever but it was so effective that it like brought it all the way back around to be like actually this person's like too manipulative but I still don't really believe it's the right move for Christian because then he also like alienates Ozzy we get this thing at the end where Christian's like oh you know I'll catch you up and Ozzy is like it's too late so yeah I feel like he misreads that too I don't know I think Christian's kind of in trouble after this vote could they have brought Ozzy in do you think Ozzy would have been game for it if everyone would have I mean they could have forced him to do it but would have that mattered would Ozzy have tried to switch it up or would he have been Ozzy licensed to kill anyways I think he would have tried to switch it up on them I think he would have talked to Mike White I think he would have tried something because he really really wanted to work with him so I just don't think it would have been his strategy at all I think they had to leave him out so I think if Ozzy says nope I'm you know I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm flipping and I'm voting Emily or whatever um to make it 3-3 I don't think Christian can stomach going to rocks for Emily so then Christian has to flip yeah um yeah maybe maybe Ozzy wouldn't have tried to do the 3-3 thing though either I don't know I think uh yeah I think if you bring him in it's super messy so like I don't know to make the move work I think it was the right thing to leave Ozzy out I just don't think the move was worth leaving him out and getting all that you go let's come back let's have something easy or whatever well now he's got blood all over him bathing in blood yeah okay so ultimately obviously Mike White leaves who is this good for on that tribe that long that long pause I think said a lot we're like uh it's good for Emily I think it's only maybe good for Emily because it wasn't her and for some reason maybe Stephanie too because yeah just because it wasn't her and maybe even Angela because it wasn't her yeah but it's like yeah it's gotta be bad for angelina though right like i mean it because yeah i mean moving forward who's overall not like like who's who was this good gameplay by to get mike out i also feel like mike who's gonna benefit from it was one of these people who has a really hard time you you have a very hard time seeing him actually winning this season right yeah to the end of David versus Goliath and kind of felt like he was a little bit DOA and final tribal council in part just because he's already so successful and rich and famous and whatever else and you know those same things still apply in this season yeah um and I think he's also probably somebody who's not going to go on like an immunity challenge run late I don't think he's going to be particularly good at making fire I could be wrong I mean you never know um but it just feels like I'm like you know if you're Christian isn't he like a good shield for you like I don't know um so this idea that he was like the most dangerous person on the island it's kind of odd to me and it does feel like this move doesn't benefit a lot of people Emily for sure it does but uh yeah everybody else on that island it feels like it's kind of neutral or bad for them I don't know that I would have the courage to to do that I don't know that I would have the courage to do that I don't know that I would have to do this but if Christian were to go to Mike and say I understand what you're doing with your manipulative tactic in bringing up Gabby I don't like it I don't like the way it made me feel and I don't like the way it made me feel about our relationship but I do believe that moving forward with you is the my best scenario can we do it like does that make Mike more loyal to you and or does that make him like I don't know I I just feel like sometimes there's a directness that I don't think I personally could maybe now that I'm thinking about it I could maybe do but it would also be partly manipulative of Christian to go and say hey you were playing with my emotions I didn't like it it brought up some stuff and I don't appreciate that but I also do agree that you and I should move forward together because it's our best and I like you whatever it is yeah I think it seems like that kind of communication style would be good for this situation and even for the Charlie and Rizzo situation and I feel like because that communication isn't happening these two votes if if Charlie or Rizzo goes home because of either or I think it's going to be the same feeling as this where we're kind of just stuck at a was this good gameplay or was this just like I don't know just kind of something that shouldn't have happened and they could have used each other as shields like it just feels like there needs to be a little a different communication style with certain players but then like you have Aubrey and Genevieve where that kind of communication would is what made them not like each other so that's true you kind of have to find that balance that is true I think it works better if it's someone that you already know if it's like Christian and Mike have a relationship uh maybe from the last time they played and they're on they were on good terms so like maybe they can have a more open dialogue versus Genevieve and Aubrey who maybe haven't met each other in person Etc so uh yeah so that's yeah I just am like looking at this I'm looking at that tribe I'm wondering like who strategically benefited from Mike White's exit and I cannot look at this list and determine anybody other than Emily because she's just chaotic and creating a target on herself but yeah I wonder if there was also an element like Mike's pitch was you know Emily is another Gabby and she's so strategically good that eventually she'll turn on you like Gabby did because she'll realize you're such a big threat and Christian's looking at it like watching Emily basically spill the beans to everyone and like giggle around the island and yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah she's a threat in a different way but like not in that way yeah yeah she's a threat to the game by because she's gonna blow it up on accident uh because she gets nervous which you're nervous all the time out there if you're going to tribal council and you're not planning to play an idol you're nervous like that's just the way it is and you're nervous until you see the first vote or two the second you see a vote that you did not expect to be out there you're nervous and Mike is probably the same the second he sees a vote for him he's like dang that's a weird thing maybe that's just a weird thing and then yeah two things now he's uh oh now he knows he's dead um yeah let's go to tribal council before we get Mike's White's full exit because I do want to talk about him uh leaving the game the only thing that stands out to me at tribal council is Emily again talking way too much talking about changing her mind half a dozen times uh and right now she's a sinking feeling because vibes are off right to the point where Angela's like what are you feeling right now I like that Angelina chimed in it was like oh let's get you to talk more uh yeah and she's like I'm wondering if my torch is going to be snuffed and looking around so yeah that that quote really stood out to me too where she says she changes her mind half a dozen times because I think we get a lot of times in tribal council where players will say oh the vote switches half a dozen times you know there's one name there's another name then there's whatever but to be like I'm personally waffling back and forth all the time or whoever else that would have my ears pricked up as like oh is this is this person reliable yeah um because I don't know does your does your mind like personally your mind change half a dozen times going to travel no normally you're like you're set right I'm set on I'm set on the faction I at least want to Target and maybe it bounces between a couple people maybe if I if I am against Mike White and Angelina maybe it bounces between those two maybe my it's not necessarily my mind changing it's the group saying the votes changing and you having to kind of like placate to a group as well as like do what you think is best for your game um changing your mind not half a dozen times uh the vote may change a little bit but that doesn't necessarily mean that your mind was changed during the course uh once in a while your mind will get changed based off information coming to you but that's those are the pivotal moments of an individual's game is when your mind is absolutely changed so and and on that note like I do also think that Christian talking about his we get Mike talking about his profession in the game and he has uh uh pre-existing relationships and then within his job he's selling a dream that just seems like it's nothing until it becomes something and Christian talks about how he approaches his job different because maybe everything he's believing in is actually not true and he needs to change his entire mindset and I do believe that those moments do happen on Survivor where you're like oh the thing I built in my head and the thing I believe in here is a facade for the people who are against me and I have to shift gears I don't think that I see those all the time I don't think people see them very often but I think that's an interesting um talking point is is like you're trying to build up a truth on Survivor that others believe in as either a cult leader or part of the cult or whatever and it may not be true it may not be like you're selling something that you either may believe in or you just want others to believe and Christian recognizing that that's part of this game is I thought was also interesting but my mind's not changing six or seven times an afternoon have you ever picked up on the vibes and been like the the vibes are off yeah you pick up on the vibes and the vibes are off but you also like do you say it out loud to everybody at travel no you just do as much work as you can and you have hope in your heart but when I felt the vibes are off and I've had hope in my heart I've been voted out so maybe Emily's tactic is better than mine I don't know uh-huh but also she wasn't going to vote for me because I don't know if she's going to vote for me I don't know if she's going to vote for me I don't know if she's going to vote for me I don't know if she's going to vote for me I don't know if she's going to vote for me I don't know if she's going to vote for me I don't know if she's going to vote for me in mine I don't know uh-huh but also she wasn't really the target so the game is just so many layers on layers of emotion and mental and strategy and we can dig into it and we have we dug into it every season but we can dig into it for five more hours here about that balance and never even scratch the surface because everybody is different and everybody is perceived differently as well so it's like what works for some won't work for others and I think that's a really good point everyone Emily being scatterbrained and talking so much is actually kind of working for her here because it's creating chaos that is she's always bringing information so part of you is like well I'm always getting information from her so like hate to see her go, but she's also spilling my information. But is it okay if she spills my information? As long as she's spilling more information to me, that's like, that wouldn't work for everybody. But because Emily is who she is, it works for her. And I think it's unbeknownst to her that she's even doing it so much and that it's actually working for her. We get Mike getting voted out. And I think he's pissed. I think he is absolutely upset, but he's trying to play it so cool. And this is what, let's just hear the real Mike White say the real thing in this moment. You skunks. And then he kind of gives a hug, but you can tell he's, I can tell he's fuming underneath that. But we never get Mike really spilling my information. How he feels. Just a nice little send off and that's it. But I maintain Mike White in that moment is absolutely pissed. I think he was pissed, but I don't think he was like, I also think he was delighted. I think he was delighted that he got blindsided, but he was also mad that it was him and that he wasn't a part of the blind side. I think he, I don't know. He just seems like he's. He's into that stuff, but he's also like, what the heck? I think he was pissed that he got got. I don't think he was pissed that he's exiting the game per se or anything like that, but I think he's pissed that he got got. I think he likes, everybody likes to be the one getting, getting, not getting got. Right. But yeah, I think he hid all of that anger and rage. Yeah. But not well enough. I saw it. I can see it. It's got to be tough too, because it's, he's one of the players on this season that has never been voted out. Right. So that's that. I thought that too. And that stings the most, right? That for the first time you get voted out. Yeah. I don't know if, I mean, for him, he kind of, I think there is a wide understanding that he purposely lost in final tribal council at David versus Goliath, realizing that he already had a very nice life. Comfortable life. And that his, I, I do think there was something like that. And that he could give, he could give the win and the million dollars to this public defender who immediately went on to become a prosecutor and whatever else from there on. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Too bad. So, and I think he did also later say he regretted doing that. Mike White did. But. We'll look for it. Yeah. So. Yeah. So I do think that there is that initial sting for sure. And until you are on the losing end of that, you don't fully understand what it feels like. You think you do, but like getting got by a group of people that promised you, you would be okay is a feeling that not a lot of people get to feel. And I wouldn't wish that feeling upon people, but it's, it's part of, you know, going on Survivor, like you go on Survivor, everyone thinks it's a lifetime change, life-changing experience. Yes, it is. It can be. Uh, but I don't think that most people are prepared for that. Everyone promising you're going to be okay. And then not be okay. Yeah. Like there's no, you can't sugarcoat that. You can't, there's, you can. Especially someone like Christian, someone that you've known now for seven years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody you trust. And even if it's only two weeks, there's people you trust that you've given your trust to that you've maybe helped, uh, navigate the game with that all of a sudden are like, see ya. And you're just like, I don't, I don't understand. Like why, what, how, why me in that moment? That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense for your game even. And everybody also, and I'm guilty of it as well on the exit. I'm like, that's bad for so-and-so's game and so-and-so's game and so-and-so's game. And there's too stupid to even see that it's bad for their game. But like now, like, like everybody, like there's just so much to it. Yeah. Because they're kind of like, I've wondered if there is like, have you seen like Interstellar where they go to that one planet and like time moves faster or whatever. If there's something like that, that happens on the island, just cause you spend such an unbelievable amount of time with people, you know, it's like, Oh, you've only known this person. The bond grows so tighter. Yeah. Like you've only known someone for nine days or whatever. It's like, yeah, but that's nine days of like 24, seven contact with that person and only a few other people versus like, I think about like my best friend. It's like, what would I have to do to spend what, what is the equivalent of like nine days of survivor? Like with that, that's like years of us hanging out on like weekends and stuff. Yeah. So you bond just like unbelievably quickly and tightly. Yeah. I mean, hundreds, if not a thousand hours with people. You know, it's crazy. It's, it's so much like, okay, four days, that's a hundred hours right there. Like you go out with your friends on the weekend, two hours a weekend. Yeah. So that's, you're right. You're, you're like, yeah, you know, years of weekends. Yes. And so you do really connect with these people and like, they've shown you up to the point where you get voted out. A lot of them have showed you loyalty. So you're also like, oh, I can start relying in this person. They've shown me loyalty. Uh, I've got, uh, six years of weekend hangouts already under our belt in four days. Uh, how can I like, how can I not assume that they have my best interest at, in, at heart and they don't, and you can't, and you all go in, everyone goes in and says, I think that I can get rid of my best friends on this game. Because I've only known them for two weeks, but those two weeks are two weeks, 24, seven. Yeah. The equivalent of knowing somebody for like 20 years. It's like two weeks is all on the Island is 20 years back in the States. Yes. Final question before we get to Riley's reads, will Christian be able to win Ozzie back over? I don't think so. I don't think so. I kind of don't think so. I don't think so. He's pissed. He's pissed. I think Ozzie will kind of have to try to play it cool, act hurt, play cool, come after, do whatever you got to do. But I do think it's, it gives him license to kill and you have to understand that. So it's like, can Christian fully trust Ozzie again at any point? No. I mean, maybe if they build back up together and like eventually, you know, maybe, you know, maybe Christian gives Ozzie something in exchange for the Mike White vote and then all is okay-ish, but it seems like it's a rough road ahead for Ozzie and Christian romance to really fully blossom. Yeah. Riley, what do you have? Okay. Let's go through the reads. Okay. Who advanced their game the most on this episode? I mean, Zach Brown? Yeah. Zach Brown had a fantastic episode. Fantastic episode. So many confessionals. Yeah. A solo fishing adventure that lasted 15, 20 minutes. Yeah. Incredible. So yeah, I guess Zach Brown first. Secondly, I don't know that anybody on the other tribes really did enough. episode that we saw. So going just at Vaatu, I mean, the only person I can look at here and say they really advanced their game is Emily. Yeah. Only because she pulled whatever might have been off of her and put it on Mike White. But I think Emily staying in the game for anybody on this tribe is not. I mean, has Emily targeted Christian? I guess she did tell. She told everybody his information. Yeah. It was like for a second. And then she changed her mind. She didn't really target him to have him exit. Yeah. But she was like, oh, I don't trust Christian at all. She just suddenly had that. She was telling people that too. She's like, I don't trust Christian. It's fine. I can throw him. Whatever. So I guess, no, she wasn't targeting him. But there's. There was a period of time where she was basically ready to throw him off the island. Right. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's interesting. So, okay. So I think just Emily did the. She was the only one that really advanced her game here in a positive way. Ashley, what do you think? I'm going to say Stephanie. You know, she is not in the crossfire whatsoever. She's not. She wasn't a part of the trio. So she's not in that drama. She didn't like. She didn't really. She didn't really betray Ozzy because she's not really like that close with Ozzy. She's not really close with anybody. And it was after Q left, she was just like, okay, I guess I'm a free agent and it's working. So I think she's in a really good spot in this big messy tribe yeah i can see that she's yeah she nobody's like looking at her now she's uh yeah she got blindsided last week and so she was on the bottom and then this week uh people talked about her for half a second and then she fully was that was it in the clear yep riley um the only other player who i think advanced their game notably might be genevieve just for finding another boomerang idol sending it off to a person that i think makes a lot of sense to send it off to and most importantly not sharing that information with anybody yes i think that those are good moves i do think that genevieve also just slightly shoots herself in the foot by continuing to open that rift with aubrey just not not dealing with that relationship in a good way at all right you and i think we're building toward an aubrey genevieve showdown eventually uh but i'm not sure that genevieve's gonna win so um but at least in this episode you know hey getting another one of those idols is pretty good for her yeah all right who damaged their game the most oh zach brown yeah he damaged it he was too big of a provider and it's like yeah that like that too much yeah social yeah he's too too big of a social threat now because everybody wants to be friends with him in so much that people are crying because they didn't get to meet him so i think zach brown is definitely you know like there's a balance there like if you're liked too much you're too big of a jury threat so yep i think it's jeff jeff did the worst today because he didn't let d shake zach brown's hand and so now d is mad at jeff probably so jeff is gonna get voted out it's just a matter of time uh-oh uh-oh uh riley uh i don't have another uh like a bit i'll go back to it let's see who did the most to damage their game i mean genevieve continually targeting aubrey again i think it's just like i think there's a part where genevieve maybe could have like stopped putting her foot on the gas towards aubrey a little bit and it had been better uh but i do believe that like aubrey didn't do great i think christian made the wrong move in getting rid of mike um so i think those two are the ones that really stand out to me uh i think emily i think emily's reputation on this tribe is kind of like ruined and like let's say if we make it to like the merge or even another swap if they start telling everybody like hey do not tell emily anything she can't be trusted you know what i mean like the trust the trust factor is really really big here um on this game so i'm like emily and you know she's always been like this i was thinking about this uh the first time we met emily she started talking about uh the returnee player that came back for the first time and she was like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like i forget his name and talking about how oh he's you know he already knows the island yeah he already knows the island he's already this that so she's already been the type of player who maybe talks too much and instead of correcting over correcting like everybody else is doing she's kind of leaning into that part because she thought that her issue was that she wasn't nice enough or friendly enough but that wasn't her issue so if she doesn't start correcting her game her reputation is just shot and she's either gonna be someone that they're gonna bring to the final and just use her as like someone that no one's gonna pay attention to or she's gonna be like really bad during the merge and everyone's gonna turn on her so yeah yeah uh i think ozzy made a bit of a blunder going out and fishing for it seemed like a very long time as a tribal council is approaching and that that opened the door to leaving him out of the boat you know if he's buzzing around camp talking to people all the time somebody might eventually fill him in like emily who almost did fill him in uh and he just he took himself out of this entire vote basically he was like all right cool we gotta go fishing and it's like dude that is not how survivor works anymore you gotta be present so i think that was a little bit of a blunder for him i don't think it ever worked like that riley but i also feel like ozzy can't do that i think he needs to be present and he needs to be present and he needs to be alone and go do his thing i think that's part of his decompression and it's true what keeps him sane and so i think like i understand what you're saying and i do believe that that is generally poor gameplay but i also think that ozzy just can't do that i think he can't just sit there and listen and be part of all those conversations and circling around and around i think he he purposely withdraws from the conversation and part of it is i think he feels comfortable feels good about what's going on and then he exits and i think he has to i think that that's his personality that he has to just like escape um so i think yeah i do agree though that if he would have stayed present he would have gotten the information he needed to then turn the tides in his favor if he could but uh again like he knows it's not good gameplay to go fishing and he keeps making that mistake and he's like i don't know what to do i don't know what to do i don't know what to do i don't know what to do i don't know what to do i don't know what to do but part of the survivor experience for ozzy is going fishing and part of his clarity and sanity is probably escaping for a little bit of time to do that like zach brown said yeah about spearfishing all of it's true well that's why ozzy took so long is because zach brown stole all the good fish so ozzy had to go a little deeper into the ocean so thanks zach brown zach brown what else all right let's do uh let's do winter picks ooh winter picks winter picks nobody from vatu vatu's getting decimated okay yeah i i'm looking at vatu i don't see because you had christian i had christian i think he damaged i think he should have kept mike i think that moving forward with emily is going to be dangerous for him um and because you have to keep her full on your side the second he withholds information from her that he gives to somebody else that then comes back to emily he's done she's going to take that as a full act of aggression yes um so i don't think that that can be um man it's tiffany i mean again tiffany she's just like so under the radar nobody's pushed anything on her she's just there hanging out whichever like two confessionals this season has been your favorite the thing is i mean she's helping aubrey so i think if aubrey wins out this genevieve aubrey battle then tiffany is in a great spot if aubrey ends up going home maybe she's not in as good a spot but also do people know that tiffany is is feeding aubrey information like we don't have anything on her of course not they don't know that she's in the game yeah and is that good or bad for her like i don't know we've seen we've seen winners with quiet pre-merges so she's not out of it she needs to come alive though because she needs to start steering the but she also hasn't been to tribal council that much so it's like hasn't been a lot yeah yeah so what are we what are we seeing from her so i don't know i just feel like we're looking at people we're seeing people move or seeing people make moves we're seeing people watch other people make moves nobody's seeing tiffany okay well i'm seeing tiffany and i've seen her from the beginning and she's gonna win i don't know how or what her strategy is but i know that she's gonna win okay um we can't wait to find out what her strategy is yeah i can't even make up something either i'm trying to think uh i don't know why is she not hearing from her is it not driving the story is she not giving good confessionals it's just a normal girl we need time for zach brown we need time for jeff's rapping yeah time for the talent show yes we need time for the the bowel movements you know there's a lot that we got to fit in yes so sorry no time for tiffany i mean is there a world where sari wins this of course there is she actually i don't know the one thing the thing i always feel about sari where i get stuck when i think about her game is the is the very end game is like i don't think she's winning a final four immunity i don't think she's winning fire and i don't think anyone would ever take her to the end so you're just like how does she get to the final three right right yeah it would be crazy if she actually just if she won the final immunity to get past fire making she would win yeah they would she would be like my only immunity challenge i ever won was this yeah she secretly has been practicing fire making and just you know rips out an unbelievable fire in record time um but yeah she needs she just needs a path to three and it's like hard to envision for her yeah what do you have Riley uh I'll stick with Genevieve who I've had for the past few weeks she's got obviously we're building up to some kind of Genevieve Aubrey showdown and Genevieve needs to win that somehow and I you know Aubrey has an actual boomerang idol Genevieve has two boomerang idols that she has found and has had to give to other people I mean you can if this were a different season where you just kept idols like normal Genevieve would have two idols and Aubrey would have zero that'd be you know just a crazy different power balance there but uh you know yeah we will see I I like Genevieve's game for the most part other than this blood feud that she seems to have with Aubrey very randomly yeah Aubrey who actually kind of like liked this episode I feel like she was so mopey before and now it was like I was like kind of into how she was just like you know what just screw everybody this episode so um yeah shout out to Aubrey why is Aubrey not feeling like she's in with the group like she just like feels like she can go look for idols because she realizes she's on the outs I think maybe she's like because it's the difference between like Genevieve Genevieve has like talked to everybody we've seen like clips of her just hanging out with everybody and I think maybe just maybe she could be planting little seeds of like oh look at Aubrey she's all by herself she doesn't want to talk to anybody and that could be enough for everyone to be like yeah maybe she doesn't like me Genevieve mentioned something so it could it could just be Genevieve just working some magic uh in everyone's ear and Aubrey's just kind of was there just a little bit too late or walked a little too far away from the group and now everybody just isn't messing with her too much could be a bit of like luck of the draw too which is always such a key thing in survivor I mean Aubrey's on like the honor and integrity tribe right now with like Joe, Coach, and Corby and I don't I don't think Aubrey is clicking with those people so yeah I think Aubrey and Genevieve in some ways you know they're like two alike it's like opposites attract well like the same they just like kind of butt heads a little bit yes so she's just in like a weirdly tough spot where it's like it's hard to look at the Kalo tribe right now and be like yeah who would Aubrey click with she clicks with Tiffany but like who else? there's kind of nobody else right um all right let's do next boot and we saw on the next time on that it is two tribes going to tribal council next week so let's pick two tribes uh so two boots uh I think Vatu is going again I don't see where they win which means they'd have to take first out of three so we've got Vatu going again and I am going to pick Ozzy Ozzy I'm going to say Ozzy from Vatu I think he's going to come back angry and maybe people will just be like okay it's irreparable let's take Ozzy out and then um let's see between Scylla and Kalo and Kalo let's go with um I saw Vatu's gonna go back because they don't have any muscle anymore except for poor Ozzy who that's so much uh to do for him but I think I'm gonna say Emily if they can pin all of the confusion and be like Ozzy we were gonna tell you but Emily you know and just like kind of pin it on her and then if she freaks out and then starts spilling more secrets or anything to other people then maybe it could possibly land on her and then I was gonna say Scylla as well but I don't think I don't think Rizzo's gonna play his idol while he's against Charlie I don't think that they're gonna see through Rizzo's bluff with the idol and then still vote for him and uh it's he's gonna get voted out so Rizzo and Emily yeah I also think Vatu's going to travel council hard to see how they would get first place in a challenge um but I think it'll be Christian going home you know I think Ozzy's upset at him I think Angelina's upset at him yeah she's left out if those two say hey we want to get Christian they just got to pull either Emily or Stephanie and I think yeah one or both of them could be game um and and maybe it's both of them and it's like you kind of get a bit of a a bulbous vote I normally wouldn't say that Emily would be game except that it Emily is Emily yeah she might be no normally the player in that position is probably going to feel some loyalty to Christian Emily who the heck knows yeah uh and then I don't know who uh who goes tribal out of these other two Scylla or Kahlo um I guess I will say also that Scylla goes because I don't want to say that Kahlo goes and then like Genevieve gets idled out when Genevieve's my winner pick that feels uh that's what you think it would happen if they go to tribal yeah kind of and it feels kind of inconsistent with my my winner pick to also say that Genevieve goes home think she's gonna have a hard time winning if she goes home so uh I guess I'll say that Scylla goes to tribal council and yeah I think I'm going to go with Scylla I'm going to go with Scylla I'm going to go with Scylla you know what I think I agree with you Ashley I think it'll be Rizzo goes home and then actually that sets up a nice little Genevieve will get that boomerang yeah and then hopefully we get Kahlo going to tribal council with Aubrey and Genevieve both having idols playing an idol both playing them yeah and then Seri goes home somehow even though she's and doesn't have any votes against her um okay I like your Christian pick actually it makes a lot of sense to me after I hear that yeah I like your Christian pick actually it makes a lot of sense to me after I hear that yeah I like your Christian pick actually it makes a lot of sense to me after I hear that so thank you all for tuning in to the pod has spoken uh let us know what you think all of your ideas how we were wrong or where we went right we will be back tomorrow with exit press uh until then see ya all new holiday drinks are now at McDonald's like the uh until then see ya all new holiday drinks are now at McDonald's like the are you ever shopping online and suddenly a discount that helps you save pops up 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